Second Date Update: Surprise Surprise

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey – Second Date Update: Surprise Surprise

Date: August 10, 2026
Episode Theme:
This episode of "Second Date Update" features a classic ghosting mystery with a twist: after what seemed like a perfect, romantic first date, Wesley is left confused by Ramona's sudden silence. The team dives into their trademark mix of humor, curiosity, and empathy to uncover the awkward miscommunication behind it all.

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Main Theme & Purpose

Objective:
Help Wesley understand why Ramona hasn’t responded after a seemingly successful and romantic first date, and attempt to mediate a second meeting. Along the way, the episode explores how small miscommunications around body image can snowball and derail new relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Romantic “Surprise” First Date Gone Wrong

• Wesley’s Setup: He planned an elaborate and thoughtful first date—a surprise Mediterranean cooking class, complete with a trail of rose petals from Ramona’s door to his car.
  • Wesley (05:44): “When I picked her up, I left a trail of rose petals from her door to my car… She laughed, but she said it was really sweet and kissed me on the cheek.”
• Cooking Class Details: They cooked “hummus and seafood paella” and bonded over wine and conversation. There was plenty of flirting and chemistry.
• Intimate Ending: The night ended with a “30-minute makeout session” in his car and Ramona expressing disappointment that the evening was ending.
  • Wesley (07:55): “She says ‘I don’t want this night to end.’…We ended up making out in the car for like, 30 minutes.”

2. Post-Date Communication Shift

• Positive Follow-up: For days after the date, they texted each other with what Wesley describes as “lovey dovey” messages, suggesting a second date was imminent.
  • Wesley (09:07): “It was kind of lovey dovey stuff… there’s a second date on the horizon type of stuff.”
• Sudden Ghosting: After a few days, Ramona abruptly stopped responding, leaving Wesley confused and concerned about what went wrong.

3. The Confrontation: Calling Ramona

• Ramona Answers the Call: She immediately identifies Wesley and declares:
  • Ramona (13:37): “He’s not just confused. He’s an a**hole. I’m never talking to him again.”
• Hosts' Shock: The team is surprised; Wesley had come off as a charming romantic in his recap.

4. The Big Miscommunication Unveiled

• Ramona Explains: She says Wesley “body shamed” her over text by commenting on her forehead.
  • Ramona (14:45): “He thinks I have this giant, big Fred Flintstone forehead. I mean, seriously, how dare he? And he texted me that.”
• Text in Question: Wesley clarifies he wrote, “I wish you were here so I could give you big forehead kisses.”
  • Wesley (16:17): “What I said is I wish you were here so I could give you big forehead kisses.”
• Ramona’s Perspective: She interpreted “big forehead kisses” as a jab at her appearance and was deeply hurt, especially since her forehead is something she’s sensitive about.

5. The Attempt to Reconcile

• Team Tries to Clarify: The hosts explain that the phrase “big forehead kiss” is commonly used affectionately and was likely a clumsy but sweet gesture—never intended as an insult.
  • Brooke (16:56): “I could see, Ramona, if you had some self conscious things, you would read it that way, but I think everyone in the room is trying to tell you that was definitely not the intention.”
• Ramona’s Stance: She’s unconvinced and holds firm, refusing to reconnect and adamantly keeping Wesley blocked.
  • Ramona (19:14): “I’m just going to say no. No, I don’t need it.”

6. Final Thoughts and Reactions

• Hosts Reflect: They empathize with Ramona’s sensitivity but feel the situation was an unfortunate miscommunication—a “tragedy of texting tone.”
  • Jeff (22:09): “It just felt like no matter what we said, how we tried to frame it, she was not gonna budge.”
• No Second Date: The episode closes with the recognition that sometimes, misunderstandings can’t be undone—and not all apparent ghostings are as simple as they first seem.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

The “Rose Petals” and “Cooking Class” Surprise

• Wesley (05:44): “When I picked her up, I left a trail of rose petals from her door to my car.”
• Brooke (06:18): “What did Ramona think when she saw the rose petals?”
• Wesley (06:21): “She laughed, but she said it was really sweet and kissed me on the cheek.”

Post-Date Texting and Affection

• Wesley (07:57): “She says ‘I don’t want this night to end.’”
• Wesley (09:07): “It was kind of lovey dovey stuff.”

The Accusation

• Ramona (13:37): “He’s not just confused. He’s an a**hole. I’m never talking to him again.”

The Misinterpreted Text

• Wesley (16:17): “I wish you were here so I could give you big forehead kisses.”
• Ramona (16:53): “You can’t just unsee that stuff.”

The Hosts Try to Help

• Brooke (16:56): “I think everyone in the room is trying to tell you that was definitely not the intention.”
• Kristen (17:07): “It was cute.”
• Wesley (19:30): “Ramona, I’m really sorry it worked out this way. And for the record, I think your forehead is normal. Like maybe it could be slightly bigger, but it’s not…”

Final Reflection

• Jeff (22:09): “It just felt like no matter what we said, how we tried to frame it, she was not gonna budge.”
• Kristen (22:39): “She’s like a prisoner in her own head.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:44] – Wesley explains the date setup: the rose petals and the cooking class.
• [07:55] – The emotional high point: makeout session and “I don’t want this night to end.”
• [09:07] – Wesley describes positive, romantic texting after the date.
• [13:37] – Ramona’s blunt reaction and accusation on the live call: “He’s an a**hole.”
• [14:45] – Ramona details the “body shaming” text about her forehead.
• [16:17] – Wesley reads his original text verbatim for context.
• [16:56] – Hosts try to clarify “big forehead kisses” is a term of endearment.
• [19:14] – Ramona ultimately refuses any chance of a follow-up or unblocking Wesley.
• [22:09] – Hosts reflect on the outcome and discuss the complexities of personal insecurities and texting.

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Summary

"Surprise Surprise" is a classic “Second Date Update” episode with a thoroughly modern, awkward twist. What began as a storybook romantic first date dissolves over a single misunderstood text. The hosts expertly balance humor and empathy while exposing how easy it is for affection to get lost in translation—particularly when it bumps up against personal insecurities.

In the end, the show demonstrates that even the best intentions can backfire, and conversations about body image and self-esteem are as critical in new relationships as romance and chemistry.

Listeners takeaway: Sometimes ghosting isn’t about a lack of interest, but about how personal sensitivities and communication style can derail even the most promising starts. And, of course: always double-check your texts!

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Transcript

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[Jeffrey]

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[Brooke]

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[Brooke]

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[Brooke]

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[Jeffrey]

We can't, because then we look weird.

[Hayes Davenport]

Right.

[Brooke]

So maybe you could do it for us.

[Listener Commenter]

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[Brooke]

And it's just hard to keep up with.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Honestly.

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[Brooke]

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[Listener Commenter]

Morning.

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Second date update.

[Jeff]

Brooke, how would you feel if you came home and your husband tells you he has planned a date night?

[Brooke]

Oh, I'd be so excited.

[Jeff]

Childcare is handled, and what you're doing is a special surprise.

[Brooke]

Oh, I love surprises.

[Kristen]

That sounds cute.

[Brooke]

Surprises are like my jam. Don't tell me, don't tell me, because I always want to be surprised.

[Wesley]

Wow.

[Jeff]

Baby number three would happen that night, it sounds like.

[Kristen]

Oh, yeah. And then you could surprise, surprise him.

[Brooke]

No, he got snipped. We're good.

[Jeff]

Now imagine there's no kids, no husband, and it's a first date with a cute guy you just met online and did no background check on. And he says he has a surprise for you. Are you still feeling the same way?

[Brooke]

No. No, I'm not.

[Kristen]

Weird.

[Brooke]

Why didn't I do a background check? Jeff, now I have a lot of regret.

[Jeff]

You're just an accepting type of lady. But I only ask because that's the approach one of our listeners, Wesley, took on his date. He thought it'd be fun to be a little bit secretive about what they were doing. But now he's not getting A call back. So we'll see if we can pinpoint any clues for why that might be happening.

[Brooke]

But I feel like we already found the big reason.

[Jeff]

There could be, but. Wesley, welcome to the show.

[Wesley]

Hey. Hey, guys. How's it going?

[Brooke]

Oh, hey.

[Jeff]

That's a big, bold move. Planning a surprise date for a very first meetup. So what's her name? Let's start there.

[Wesley]

Ramona is her name.

[Hayes Davenport]

Okay.

[Ramona]

Okay.

[Brooke]

Can I ask, did you have any inclination that Ramona likes surprises? Because some people absolutely hate them.

[Kristen]

Good point.

[Wesley]

Well, I mentioned the idea of, like, oh, it could be a surprise if you want. She was like, yeah, let's go for it.

[Jeff]

Okay.

[Brooke]

That's a good way to bring it up. It was like, you put it on her if you want. Right.

[Kristen]

Shoes. I like that.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

So what did you end up doing for your surprise date?

[Wesley]

Well, it might be a little bit cheesy, but when I picked her up, I left a trail of rose petals from her door to my car.

[Kristen]

That's very romantic.

[Jeff]

Oh, wow.

[Wesley]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jeffrey]

Immediately.

[Brooke]

Think that means you want to do it?

[Kristen]

Brooks, unbuckling her belt. All right.

[Jeff]

I'm not gonna say no. I guess let's get this over with.

[Kristen]

It splits trunk or vaccine?

[Jeff]

Okay. But no, on a first date, it's kind of like a path to romance.

[Brooke]

Wagon. Thank God. A lot more space.

[Jeff]

What did Ramona think when she saw the rose petals?

[Wesley]

She laughed, but she said it was really sweet and kissed me on the cheek.

[Jeff]

Wow. You got kissed on the cheek immediately.

[Ramona]

Yeah.

[Wesley]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

Wow.

[Brooke]

Okay, so you're starting off on the right foot.

[Jeff]

All right, what happens next?

[Wesley]

So for, like, the surprise part of the night, I took her to this couple's Mediterranean cooking class.

[Brooke]

Oh, my gosh. That's actually really cute.

[Kristen]

I would love that.

[Jeff]

And you had her cook the meal while you just sat there and waited, right?

[Brooke]

No, he did a trail of olives.

[Jeff]

All right. No, that's cute. What did you guys cook?

[Wesley]

I had never heard of this until we made it. It's a hummus and seafood paella. You guys know what a paella is?

[Kristen]

Yeah, paella is amazing. Hummus and seafood prayer. Sounds awful.

[Wesley]

Oh, it was so good.

[Jeff]

You mean those are separate dishes?

[Ramona]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Wesley]

It was her and I sipping on wine, and it was just good conversation. You know, we were flirting. We were talking about ourselves, that whole thing.

[Jeff]

So from how you're describing it, at this point, things are going pretty perfectly. There hasn't been any speed bumps yet.

[Wesley]

Exactly. Yeah. So Nothing has gone wrong, but she just kind of stop responding to me. Kind of ghosted me a little bit.

[Jeff]

Hold on. We don't know how the date ended.

[Kristen]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

Like, how did you and Ramona leave it?

[Wesley]

Okay. Okay, well. Well, that's a good question because I don't think anything messed up there either. So, yeah, we get in the car, she kisses me again, and then I drive her back to her house, and she says, I don't want this night to end.

[Brooke]

Oh.

[Kristen]

Oh, my God.

[Brooke]

That's what she said.

[Kristen]

That's the best thing.

[Jeff]

Why is that good?

[Brooke]

What do you mean, why is that good?

[Jeff]

I'm asking why?

[Wesley]

It's confusing to me because this whole situation. But we ended up making out in the car for like, 30 minutes.

[Brooke]

I knew the rose petals were leading to car action. I knew it. I called it all along. And then what, you walked her to her door?

[Wesley]

Or I walked her to her door and that was that. It was kind of a late night at that point.

[Ramona]

And you didn't push.

[Brooke]

I mean, I bet.

[Jeff]

Yeah, you should have pushed for more, right? Get out the rose petals again.

[Brooke]

Yeah, I bet you were so giddy. Like, what were you feeling when you got back in your car?

[Wesley]

I felt great. I felt like I had done everything right. And I was feeling really optimistic. I was really excited. This is a girl that I really like. So I don't understand why we're suddenly knocked out. Why she all of a sudden stopped answering me?

[Brooke]

Yeah, like, not even a word, like, completely. She didn't say, I don't want to. Did she anything after the date?

[Wesley]

Well, after the date, yes. We texted for days after that.

[Jeff]

Oh, there has been communication.

[Wesley]

We were just texting, but it wasn't just a normal, like, hey, how you doing? It was kind of lovey dovey stuff. Kind of. You know, there's a second date on the horizon type of stuff.

[Brooke]

Okay, and then when was the last time you talked to her?

[Wesley]

A couple days ago.

[Jeff]

Well, maybe it's like I said before, she didn't want it, the date to end because that means she goes back to her boyfriend inside of the house. Like that was her one night of freedom.

[Brooke]

It's gonna be awkward since he didn't pick up those rose petals when he comes out.

[Kristen Davis]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

So is it possible that. I mean, do you think maybe there could be another dude? You've only been on one date with her.

[Wesley]

Well, I sure hope not. We seem to have a really good connection between the two of us, so that would be kind of messed up if she was Going home to somebody else.

[Brooke]

And it's something that you'd want to find out right now.

[Kristen]

Yeah, that's the answer for you, brother. Because it's nothing to do with you.

[Brooke]

No, that we can't.

[Kristen]

She's an awful person. And this has nothing to do with you.

[Brooke]

We're trying to fix this and get him another date. Like it could just a bad communication.

[Hayes Davenport]

Sure.

[Kristen]

But if it falls apart, let's hope it's her on her.

[Jeff]

Maybe it's a little bit of both. Let's hope for that. When we come back, we'll call this girl and find out why she isn't wanting to see you again after the most romantic date that I think we've heard all year long. When we do your second date update right after. You don't think so now. Now you're doubting yourself.

[Brooke]

It was kind of a bold statement. I don't know. I try to remember the other day. All right.

[Jeff]

The most mid romance date we've ever heard. In your second date update right after this.

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[Jeff]

Dude, talk about a cool surprise date that didn't involve ropes or duct tape.

[Brooke]

Yeah, that's hard to pull off. Shockingly.

[Kristen]

Wait, why are you acting like that's a normal thing to say?

[Brooke]

This is what all women expect the first time a stranger picks them up at their house and says, I have a surprise for you.

[Kristen]

Okay.

[Jeff]

Our listener Wesley went a different route. Connected with a woman named Ramona online. Picked her up at her house with a trail of rose petals leading from her door to his car.

[Brooke]

And she loved it.

[Kristen]

Yes.

[Brooke]

Well, at least that was the vibe she gave.

[Jeff]

Definitely. And so they ended up doing a Mediterranean cooking date where they learned how to make hummus and paella. Hey, how awesome is that?

[Kristen]

Separately. We discussed this separately.

[Jeff]

And when she got home, she said those magic words, I don't want this night to end yet.

[Kristen]

Oh, I don't think any girls ever told me that. That sounds magical. I want a feeling.

[Jeff]

That led to a half hour long makeout in the car followed by a string of romantic texts afterwards until things suddenly stopped and he doesn't understand why. So you can imagine if you're in Wesley's shoes, you want to know what is going on?

[Brooke]

God, I really hope it's. I broke my phone and it's taken me a couple days to replace it.

[Kristen]

I got the replacement.

[Jeff]

Wouldn't that just be the best thing ever, Wesley?

[Wesley]

Yeah, yeah. Ideal situation there.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

She's like, I never want this phone call to End now. Yeah, we got a lot of talking to do.

[Jeff]

Well, we'll see if her phone is still working, because I'm about to dial it right now.

[Brooke]

I'm nervous for you because there's a lot on the line. You invested in this date, you know, and you like this girl. Usually these things don't matter when we call people. Yeah, or as much, anyway.

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[Jeff]

Not to downplay all of our other listeners, but sure, this one definitely has a lot of weight behind it. So let's dial Ramona's phone number and see if she answers.

[Hayes Davenport]

Here we go.

[Ramona]

Hello?

[Jeff]

Hey, is this Ramona?

[Ramona]

This is she. Who's calling?

[Jeff]

Hey, Ramona. My name is Jeff from a radio show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.

[Brooke]

Hey, Ramona. The whole show's here.

[Kristen]

Hey, Ramona. Good morning.

[Ramona]

Okay. Good morning.

[Jeff]

You don't have to be afraid of us. We're. We're pretty friendly.

[Kristen]

We're friendly. We're funny.

[Ramona]

What are we doing?

[Jeff]

We're doing a segment here. It's called the Second Date Update.

[Ramona]

Oh, okay.

[Brooke]

That maybe means that she's heard of him before. Jeff. Yeah, that type of reaction, maybe.

[Jeff]

This is a segment where if you go out on a date with somebody and they're not getting a call back afterwards, you can reach out to us and we'll try to get a hold of that person to find out if there's a reason why.

[Brooke]

Oh, and we have one very confused man.

[Jeff]

Oh, yes.

[Ramona]

Yes. No. No, you don't. You don't have a confused man. I don't. Go on. So I know exactly who you're talking about. It has to be Wesley. Am I right?

[Kristen]

Yeah, it is Wesley.

[Brooke]

Wait. He's very confused.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Ramona]

You know, he's not just confused. He's an a hole.

[Jeff]

Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ramona]

I'm never talking to him again.

[Kristen]

Not Uncle Wesley. That's not the guy we talked to.

[Brooke]

Dude, that's wild, because that is not who he portrayed towards us. Like he sounded like a hero of a first date and romantic night in shining armor.

[Ramona]

Well, I've already blocked him, so we really don't need to have a big conversation.

[Jeff]

First of all, we didn't know that. I don't think Wesley knows. He never mentioned that you. He was blocked.

[Ramona]

Then he is both rude and stupid.

[Brooke]

Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Ramona. We need the details of this because the story he told was the most romantic first date. And rose petals and cooking classes.

[Ramona]

Well, first of all, it has nothing to do with the date. It was a lovely evening.

[Jeff]

Oh, I've never heard the words lovely evening uttered with such disdain.

[Brooke]

Is it something found out after? Is that what you're saying?

[Ramona]

Yeah. He body shamed me over a text.

[Brooke]

What?

[Kristen]

Whoa.

[Brooke]

What do you mean he body shamed you?

[Kristen]

Oh, body shamed.

[Brooke]

What did he say? I'll get mad for you.

[Kristen]

Oh, no.

[Jeff]

What do you mean?

[Ramona]

He thinks that I have this giant, big Fred Flintstone forehead. I mean, seriously, how dare he? And he texted me that.

[Jeff]

Hold on.

[Ramona]

He texted me that.

[Jeff]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. You felt like Ramona. He was pointing out a flaw with you.

[Ramona]

I don't feel that way. I read it. He sent it to me. I can read it over and over.

[Brooke]

Oh, can you read it to us? What exactly did it say?

[Ramona]

I'm not going to read it to you because it's going to make me feel bad all over again, so.

[Jeff]

Okay, well, that is absolutely not what we're going after here.

[Brooke]

No wonder you blocked him if you felt like he was making fun of you.

[Ramona]

I'm not going to sit back after one date and let some guy pick on me. I mean, my God, I got better things to do.

[Jeff]

Okay, we got a very different view of what was going on between the two of you from Wesley, so I'm really interested to hear his side of this and figure out what's really going on, because I need to let you know, Ramona, Wesley is already on this phone call listening and waiting to talk to you.

[Ramona]

Oh, well, that's just great.

[Jeff]

Well, yeah.

[Brooke]

Wesley, are you even there?

[Wesley]

Oh, my God. I never body shamed you.

[Brooke]

Oh, you can't say that. I would. I wouldn't come in with that one.

[Jeff]

Wesley, please tell us that there has been some sort of horrible miscommunication here, and you're not not doing the things that she's accusing you of doing.

[Wesley]

Well, I'm not here to make her feel bad. But in my defense, I'll tell you. What I said is I wish you were here so I could give you big forehead kisses.

[Brooke]

Did you say big forehead kisses?

[Wesley]

Yeah, I did. I said I wish you were here so I could give you big forehead kisses.

[Brooke]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff]

Okay, hearing it better.

[Brooke]

If that means big kisses on your forehead, it doesn't mean you have a big forehead.

[Jeff]

Yeah, I don't know if it really sounds. Sounds like body shaming.

[Ramona]

No.

[Brooke]

Oh, Ramona, I'm so sorry you read it that way. I bet you felt so bad.

[Kristen]

I thought he was being playful.

[Ramona]

You guys aren't understanding. I got his text. I specifically read it. It Said big forehead. You can't just unsee that stuff.

[Jeff]

Yeah, it's just an unfortunate way of wording it.

[Brooke]

I mean, I could see Ramona, if you had some, like, self conscious things that you would read it that way, but I think everyone in the room is trying to tell you that was definitely not the intention.

[Kristen]

It was cute.

[Ramona]

It's not cute.

[Jeff]

I mean, we're trying to defend him, but, Wesley, talk to Ramona. Tell her what you meant.

[Wesley]

What I meant to say was that I want to lay a big kiss on your forehead.

[Kristen]

On your normal forehead?

[Ramona]

Yeah.

[Wesley]

I'm not saying I want to kiss you on your big head.

[Brooke]

That is a funny thing.

[Jeff]

Right?

[Kristen]

It's gonna take a long time to cover that dome.

[Ramona]

But you said big forehead. These are. Those are your words. You. You texted it in that order.

[Jeff]

Oh, my God.

[Wesley]

I know what I said. But people always say, give you a big forehead kiss. It's just a term

[Ramona]

you need to tell me right now. Honestly, I'll know if you're lying. I mean, when you texted me, did it or did it not come into your mind subconsciously that I have a big forehead? No.

[Wesley]

No, it did not.

[Jeff]

See?

[Ramona]

Okay, so now you don't think I have one, but every time you look at me, you're not going to think about my forehead being a little bit too big?

[Jeff]

After this conversation, Maybe.

[Wesley]

I mean, maybe you could say it's slightly bigger than normal, but not that much.

[Brooke]

But I don't mind.

[Wesley]

I don't care.

[Jeff]

Okay, well, he likes it.

[Brooke]

And a big forehead. Is it a bad thing?

[Kristen]

Yeah, it's not. That's a lot of head to kiss. You get extra forehead.

[Brooke]

You are not helping.

[Listener Commenter]

Sorry.

[Kristen]

I'm trying.

[Ramona]

Yeah, you guys don't know how to make a girl feel good, do you?

[Jeff]

Okay,

[Brooke]

you have a romantic guy who's seriously interested in you, who put in a lot of effort and really wants to see you again. Like, that doesn't happen very often.

[Kristen]

Yeah, we don't know about this a lot.

[Jeff]

We really think you should give him another chance. I mean, if you want to. On your next meetup, you could wear a hat so the forehead is out

[Brooke]

of the picture or just a body part of his to shame. You know, then you got your equal.

[Kristen]

You're roasting.

[Jeff]

Yeah, I don't know about that. But, Ramona, we think you should give him one more chance. Forget that one text message, because everything before, it was so good. Meet him one more time. And if you're willing to, we would pay for the date.

[Ramona]

I think that you guys have had enough of a laugh on my part, and I'm just going to. I'm just going to say no. No, I don't. I don't need it.

[Kristen]

What if you at least unblock him.

[Ramona]

No.

[Brooke]

So he can maybe send you. Let it go. Let it go.

[Discover Card Announcer]

Let it go.

[Jeff]

We're fighting for nothing.

[Wesley]

Ramona, I'm really sorry it worked out this way. And for the record, I think your forehead is normal. Like maybe it could be slightly bigger, but it's not.

[Kristen]

No, it's.

[Wesley]

It's normal.

[Jeff]

What are you doing?

[Wesley]

I just want to give her closure. She's going to be thinking about this,

[Brooke]

okay?

[Kristen]

She's got a lot of head to face, all right?

[Jeff]

Yeah, she does.

[Brooke]

Let's leave her alone.

[Kristen Davis]

Brookie and Jeffrey in the morning, y'.

[Ramona]

All.

[Brooke]

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[Jeff]

that call was such a weird ride because when we first heard her say that, she got body shamed.

[Kristen]

I don't think.

[Brooke]

Terrible.

[Jeff]

I don't think anybody thought she was talking about her forehead.

[Ramona]

No.

[Brooke]

And you know what, though? Everybody's self conscious about different things, and I get that. But, like, it's interesting to, like, even still not be able to hear what he was actually saying. Yeah, we definitely didn't help.

[Jeff]

No, I just think we were all caught on our heels with that one. And I'm not even shaming the size of our heels when I say that. But it is a shame because it just felt like no matter what we said, how we tried to frame it, she was not gonna budge.

[Wesley]

No.

[Brooke]

Some people just can't laugh at themselves.

[Jeff]

Yeah. And I won't use the term hard headed because I know how that's gonna go.

[Brooke]

Yeah, don't do that.

[Jeff]

But she was not gonna change her mind.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Kristen]

She's like, excuse me, I was born with a soft spot on my face.

[Jeff]

You know, it's too bad that didn't work out because I really felt like there was something there, but I know.

[Kristen]

Yeah, she's like a prisoner in her own head.

[Jeff]

Yeah. We need to stop saying head, I think, but.

[Kristen]

Oh, sorry.

[Jeff]

You know what? We can help you in your purpose, personal life. If you ever need help getting a second date, reach out to the show. We'll call that person who's not calling you back.

[Ramona]

Yes.

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[Fred Armisen]

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[Carrie Brownstein]

We're launching Podlandia AO Rewatch our brand new podcast where we revisit every episode of Portlandia together, breaking down sketches, going deep on our iconic characters, and pulling back the curtain on how it all got made.

[Fred Armisen]

And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life, guest stars, collaborators and friends, including director Jonathan Krisel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more.

[Carrie Brownstein]

Kyle is going for it. Here you fully improvised, not just words, but a song about.

[Kristen]

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[Carrie Brownstein]

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[Hayes Davenport]

Hey, this is Hayes Davenport and Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook every episode. We're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers.

[Jeff]

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[Hayes Davenport]

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[Jeff]

Listen to Hollywood handbook on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jeffrey]

This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. Every week the news gets worse, the world gets crazier, and Yamanika is here to tell whoever's responsible, you're the problem.

[Listener Commenter]

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[Nick Turturro]

I'm Nick Turturro. You probably know me from NYPD Blue, the Longest Yard, or Spike Lee's blackkklansman. And on my new podcast, Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro, I deliver pizza to a new guest. I've shared a slice with everyone from Seth Rollins.

[Ramona]

What are you doing?

[Jeffrey]

My belt.

[Nick Turturro]

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