Second Date Update: Two Word Whisperer

Summary

Podcast Summary: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update – "Two Word Whisperer"

Release Date: June 13, 2025
Hosted by: Brooke and Jeffrey
Available on: iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify

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1. Episode Introduction (02:43 - 03:36)

Brooke and Jeffrey kick off the episode by introducing their latest segment, focusing on a listener's second date experience. They set the stage for an engaging discussion about the complexities of modern dating and the challenges of interpreting ambiguous signals.

Jeffrey: “This one is gonna blow you away. And I know there's gonna be a lot of comments on it.”

2. Listener Angie’s Date Experience (03:38 - 10:09)

Angie's Story:
Angie shares her first date with Nicholas, highlighting several unusual behaviors that left her confused and uncertain about his interest. Despite a seemingly pleasant evening at a Thai restaurant, Nicholas exhibited delayed responses during conversations and appeared distracted, often checking his phone.

Brooke: “She got something else at the end of her night. A two word whisper in her ear.”

The Whisper Incident:
At the end of the date, as they parted ways outside the restaurant, Nicholas whispered “good job” into Angie’s ear—a gesture that left her perplexed and unsure of his intentions.

Angie: “I don't like it.”

Brooke: “It could be something really nice and romantic.”

Lack of Follow-Up:
After the date, Angie attempted to text Nicholas, but he didn’t respond, leading her to seek answers through the podcast.

Angie: “I'm hoping that she could maybe get another chance to hang out with you again.”

3. Hosts Analyze the Situation (10:09 - 12:01)

Brooke and Jeffrey delve into potential reasons behind Nicholas’s unusual behavior. They speculate on whether Nicholas was genuinely interested or if external factors influenced his actions.

Jeffrey: “It might be the person.”

Brooke: “So, are you cool if Nicholas has an unapproving father? Is that o.”

4. Live Call to Nicholas (12:01 - 20:04)

Connecting with Nicholas:
Brooke and Jeffrey successfully contact Nicholas live on air to get his side of the story.

Brooke: “You get to be a part of one. So the way that it works is one of our listeners has reached out to us, hoping that we could get a hold of you.”

Nicholas’s Revelation:
Nicholas admits that during the date, he was on a call with his ex-girlfriend, who was silently listening in. This arrangement was part of their “post breakup growth agreement,” where they support each other in moving on by observing each other's new relationships.

Nicholas: “I was on the line with my ex, and she was on the line with us the whole time.”

Impact on the Date:
This external influence led Nicholas to inadvertently whisper “good job” to his ex rather than to Angie, causing confusion and ultimately deterring Angie from pursuing a second date.

Brooke: “He was already breaking the rules a little bit for her. So the band aid starting to come.”

5. Hosts and Audience Reaction (20:04 - 22:44)

The revelation that Nicholas’s ex was covertly involved in his date behaviors shocks both the hosts and the listeners. Brooke and Jeffrey discuss the ethical implications and the emotional toll such an arrangement can have on new relationships.

Jeffrey: “I mean, that's shocking. I really thought that that was gonna work out.”

Alexis: “He almost knows who we are now.”

6. Conclusion and Takeaways (22:44 - End)

Brooke and Jeffrey wrap up the episode by reflecting on the complexities of modern dating, emphasizing the importance of clear communication and personal boundaries. They acknowledge Angie’s decision to not pursue a second date with Nicholas, highlighting the necessity for individuals to prioritize their emotional well-being.

Jeffrey: “It really did sound like Nicholas was over his ex and his ex just isn't over him.”

Brooke: “Whatever it is, it is a messy situation.”

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Notable Quotes

• Jeffrey (03:38): “This one is gonna blow you away. And I know there's gonna be a lot of comments on it.”

• Brooke (04:43): “So you met Nicholas How?”

• Nicholas (14:43): “I was on the line with my ex, and she was on the line with us the whole time.”

• Brooke (18:14): “This does make sense now. Why he whispered good job at the very end of the date.”

• Jeffrey (22:32): “It really did sound like Nicholas was over his ex and his ex just isn't over him.”

Key Insights

• External Influences: Nicholas’s decision to involve his ex in his new relationship led to a confusing and ultimately unsuccessful date with Angie.

• Communication Breakdown: The lack of direct communication between Angie and Nicholas resulted in misinterpretations and missed connections.

• Emotional Boundaries: The episode underscores the importance of setting and respecting personal boundaries in new relationships to foster genuine connections.

Conclusion

In this episode of Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update, listeners gain an insightful look into how external factors and poor communication can derail budding romantic connections. Through Angie’s experience and the candid conversation with Nicholas, the hosts highlight the delicate balance required to navigate the modern dating landscape successfully.

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Transcript

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[Joel Kern]

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[Jeffrey]

All right, we got a brand new episode for you. It is the second date podcast and this is Brooke and Jeffree in the morning. And when I say the entire room was shocked, that is a understatement. When we found out the real reason this guy wanted to switch tables at the restaurant.

[Alexis]

I'm still mid gasp.

[Jeffrey]

Dude, ser. Seriously, this one is gonna blow you away. And I know there's gonna be a lot of comments on it. So let's get to those comments that we've got from this week. What do you like?

[Unknown]

Alexis Belinda Scott wrote hi from Bulgaria.

[Jeffrey]

I found you on Instagram and got hooked.

[Unknown]

Now I listen to you every day while doing a 1000 piece puzzle.

[Andrea Gunning]

Keep it up.

[Jeffrey]

You do a thousand piece puzzle every day? That's a lot of pieces. Or maybe it takes her a while.

[Unknown]

It's campy in one day, right?

[Alexis]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

I don't know. Maybe she's really smart. Maybe in Bulgaria they're made differently. I like it. They're smarter than.

[Alexis]

We're a professional puzzle doer and she gets paid a lot of money for this.

[Jeffrey]

You and you and let's get this episode started.

[Alexis]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Second date update.

[Brooke]

If you go out on a really good first date, it might end in a little kiss. Oh, it could end in a tender hug.

[Jeffrey]

That's nice.

[Brooke]

Or if you're lucky, a three way chicken fight with your parents.

[Alexis]

What the heck?

[Jeffrey]

I don't even know what that is. Nothing.

[Brooke]

With the parents sitting on top of each other's shoulders inside of a pool. Well, one of our listeners says she got something else at the end of her night. A two word whisper in her ear. And she's not sure really what it meant, if anything. So let's talk to her.

[Unknown]

I don't like it.

[Jeffrey]

I just cringe thinking someone whispering in my ear. The air like flowing on you.

[Brooke]

It could be something really nice and romantic.

[Joel Kern]

Maybe.

[Brooke]

Angie, welcome to the show. I'm very curious about this whisper, but before we get to that, first tell us the guy's name and how you met him.

[Alexis]

Whisper it to us.

[Joel Kern]

Nicholas.

[Alexis]

Nicholas.

[Brooke]

Nicholas.

[Jeffrey]

No more whispering.

[Brooke]

No more Whispering until the actual whisper happens. How about that? Because I want to know what it.

[Alexis]

Sounds to their radios downer up there.

[Brooke]

I don't know, but. So you met Nicholas How?

[Joel Kern]

I mean, it's kind of embarrassing, but we met on plenty of fish, which I know people don't even use anymore.

[Alexis]

But yeah, I think there's actual only fish on there now.

[Jeffrey]

I have a question. What drove you to plenty of fish?

[Joel Kern]

I don't know. It's just one of those that, like, I set up a profile I don't even know how long ago. And then I'll get in a relationship and I'll get off it, but, like, I can just go reactivate it. I don't know.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, dumb question. Does it even have an app or you have to, like, use a browser. I think that's like. I don't even know.

[Alexis]

I don't know what their logo would be, honestly.

[Brooke]

It only operates over fax now. Okay.

[Jeffrey]

I thought it still was printed out on the back of the weeklies.

[Brooke]

That could be.

[Alexis]

I want to Google this now.

[Brooke]

But the important thing is that you matched with this Nicholas guy. So tell us, what did you do for your date?

[Joel Kern]

We went to dinner. We went to a Thai place, which is one of my faves, so that was good.

[Jeffrey]

Did he remember that it was one of your favorites? Because that's always, like, really nice, too.

[Joel Kern]

Well, I picked it, so that means okay.

[Andrea Gunning]

Okay.

[Brooke]

But he deserves credit a little bit for going along with it, so let's get him some.

[Joel Kern]

I'm a lady who knows what she likes, and it's pad Thai.

[Jeffrey]

You're really venturous, Ty.

[Brooke]

Awesome. So what did you think when you first saw each other?

[Joel Kern]

I mean, I feel like we hit it off. I mean, I will say dating kind of sucks. And I feel like a lot of times they get like, flirty to the point that you're like, all right, dude, calm down. Like, they'll ask you for sexy pictures before you've even met. And he didn't. He was more like soft spoken. More like a. Like a nerdy type. But it was cute.

[Alexis]

Sounds like he was your speed, right?

[Jeffrey]

And he was respectful of your boundaries.

[Brooke]

So a nice guy. That's sweet and considerate. I'm surprised you didn't unknown match him immediately.

[Joel Kern]

Crazy, right?

[Jeffrey]

That's really funny. Okay, was there any, like, I don't know, moments of real flirtation that happened?

[Joel Kern]

Yeah, I mean, it felt like a good first date for the most part. But, like, I don't know, there'd be like, I'd ask him a question, and there'd be like a five second delay, and then he would go into the answer, and it wasn't weird at all.

[Unknown]

But, like, just staring at you for the five seconds.

[Jeffrey]

You know, though, some people are just bad at timing in a conversation. Have you ever talked to somebody who, like, takes really long pauses and you're like, wait, do I go? Do we not go? Do we go? Like, maybe his timing is just a little off.

[Joel Kern]

Maybe.

[Brooke]

Are you talking about me? Sorry.

[Alexis]

Sorry Jeff cut you off.

[Jeffrey]

See, he waited to let me answer and it got off.

[Brooke]

So I like to think of it as, I'm just a good listener.

[Joel Kern]

Yeah. But I was done talking and, I mean, he was checking his phone a lot, so I wonder if maybe, like, maybe he thought it was boring. I don't know.

[Alexis]

You know what? I think this is mind blowing to me. He does something that I could never do, and that is think before he speaks.

[Unknown]

I'm thinking Google before he speaks.

[Alexis]

Oh, Google. Is he typing stuff?

[Brooke]

5 seconds would be a fast Google.

[Jeffrey]

I know he's having AI listen in.

[Brooke]

I was thinking the same thing.

[Joel Kern]

There was one point, like, early on, after we sat down, like, before we had ordered anything, he was like, oh, man, it's really loud over here. And he was like, do you mind if we move to, like, the back where it's quiet? And I was like, no, that's fine. And they moved us. But maybe.

[Alexis]

I don't know. I think it's a little.

[Jeffrey]

I honestly think we're overthinking it.

[Brooke]

I was just thinking what Jose was thinking. Like, if this is a really sweet, nice guy who's trying to come off like he really cares, he might take a second to try and come up with a really good answer to your question.

[Alexis]

Blurting stuff out.

[Jeffrey]

The whole point is that the awkward pauses didn't bother you, right?

[Joel Kern]

No, I wouldn't say they bothered me. I just. It was weird.

[Alexis]

It was noticeable.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

Because they probably didn't bother him. That's how he communicates.

[Alexis]

Yeah. Maybe to him. He was like. That was a normal back and forth.

[Jeffrey]

Totally.

[Brooke]

So overall, pretty solid, solid date. I'm really, really interested, though. In the end here, when he whispers something into your ear.

[Alexis]

Oh, the two words.

[Jeffrey]

Wait. I want to know if he waited five seconds before he did the whispering.

[Brooke]

Run us through what happened there.

[Joel Kern]

Okay, so end of the day, we are, like, outside of the restaurant about to go our separate ways. I give him a hug, and when I hug him, he whispers in my ear, good job, good job, Good Job? Yeah, like, thumbs up. Good job.

[Brooke]

Whoa.

[Alexis]

That's weird.

[Joel Kern]

That is so bizarre.

[Alexis]

Maybe he just doesn't know how to end a date ye, like, without a kiss.

[Jeffrey]

Or maybe it was inner dialogue that came out. Maybe he was talking to himself.

[Brooke]

Is it like the thing where you're. You're wanting to be like, hey, good date, or, like, in two words, you mix two things together and accidentally say something awkward?

[Jeffrey]

Honestly, it could be the whole reason he's not calling you back. Because he's like, God, why did I say that?

[Joel Kern]

I mean, maybe, but, like, even after he said it, I was like, wait, what? What are you talking about?

[Alexis]

What did he say?

[Joel Kern]

He just. He put his finger to his mouth. Like, shh. Like, it's our secret, but I have no idea what he was talking about.

[Alexis]

What is happening?

[Brooke]

That is pretty romantic, though.

[Jeffrey]

But anytime a man puts his finger to his. I don't like lips. It's creepy. Anybody?

[Unknown]

Nobody should do that.

[Brooke]

So have you texted him since the date ended?

[Joel Kern]

Yeah, so we were. You know, we were. We had, like, a cute little back and forth before the day. You know, we'd, like, send each other memes or whatever. So, like, I did that, but no, I have not gotten any response.

[Brooke]

Oh, no. Okay, something's up. We're gonna come back.

[Alexis]

Not the meme exchange rate.

[Brooke]

That's not okay. We're gonna call this plenty of Fisher, and we're gonna see what he has to say when we come back. And get you your second date update right after this.

[Jeffrey]

I don't like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Second date update.

[Brooke]

It's the two words that every little boy is dead dying to hear from his unapproving father. Good job. Proud of you, son.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, we're proud of you, Jeff.

[Brooke]

It's not exactly what a woman wants to have whispered into her ear at the end of a first date.

[Jeffrey]

I thought we were gonna go into Jeff therapy session.

[Brooke]

We don't nearly enough time. Okay, but it's what happened to our listener, Angie, after she hung out with a guy named Nicholas the other night. He gave her a hug and then softly said said good job into her.

[Alexis]

Girls are not happy about this. Yeah, well, she wasn't either, right?

[Brooke]

I don't think any woman would be happy about that. But we've got a lot of questions about the good job, about some of the other weird stuff that was happening during the day. Angie said she's willing to look past it if she can get another chance with him because he seemed like a great guy.

[Jeffrey]

You said that he was, like, a little reserved A little nerdy. Like, those are some of the quirks that come with nerdy.

[Brooke]

Yeah, you know? Yeah.

[Joel Kern]

I mean, that's the thing, though. Like, it's so hard to meet an actual nice, respectful guy. And I just feel like he was. And I'm assuming I messed up. You know what I mean?

[Jeffrey]

You think you messed up. And that's why usually it's the person.

[Joel Kern]

Who called in that messed up and like I said, maybe thought I was boring.

[Alexis]

I don't know.

[Brooke]

Yeah, it probably was you.

[Alexis]

Professor's becoming self aware.

[Jeffrey]

No, no, no, no. We don't like that.

[Brooke]

Are you cool if Nicholas has an unapproving father? Is that o.

[Joel Kern]

Think I can deal with that.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Alexis]

He may need you if that's the case.

[Jeffrey]

Good. It'll be something Jeffrey and he can bond over.

[Brooke]

Yes, I'll feel good about it. So let's call him. I'm going to dial his number right now. Let's see if he picks up.

[Nicholas]

Hello?

[Brooke]

Hey, is this Nicholas?

[Nicholas]

This is Nick.

[Brooke]

Hey, man, thanks for answering. You are on a radio show right now. They called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

[Jeffrey]

Welcome to the show. Nicholas.

[Alexis]

How are you, man? Good morning.

[Jeffrey]

Why.

[Nicholas]

Why am I on a radio show?

[Jeffrey]

Great question.

[Brooke]

Yeah, so. I don't know. Have you ever heard of something called a second date update before?

[Nicholas]

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, you have? Okay, congrats.

[Alexis]

You almost know who we are now.

[Brooke]

You get to be a part of one. So the way that it works is one of our listeners has reached out to us, hoping that we could get a hold of you. A girl named Angie.

[Nicholas]

Angie's trying to get a hold of me?

[Alexis]

Yeah, something. You remember her?

[Jeffrey]

You guys went to Thai food the other night.

[Brooke]

She's hoping that she could maybe get another chance to hang out with you again.

[Nicholas]

Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think that's gonna work out.

[Jeffrey]

Really?

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Jeffrey]

It sounded like such a good day.

[Brooke]

Well, yeah. Before you even go there, Nicholas, I'm just gonna let you know. She said that she really liked you and that you two shared a good vibe.

[Nicholas]

Yeah, no, I thought Angie was nice.

[Brooke]

Okay, yeah, she didn't mention that. Actually, Nicholas, she mentioned a few odd things that happened on the date and she wasn't sure if maybe those were early signs that you weren't interested in her.

[Jeffrey]

Which it actually turns out could be true at this point. At first we thought she was nuts, but.

[Nicholas]

Well, I. You know. What? What did she. What did she say?

[Brooke]

Well, like. Like we just mentioned there's like a Delay in your responses a little bit during the normal conversation.

[Alexis]

Almost like you're intently thinking of what you're gonna say.

[Nicholas]

A delay.

[Jeffrey]

Okay.

[Alexis]

Yeah, almost happened again.

[Jeffrey]

I. I think he doesn't notice that. Yeah, that's part of your conversation. That's fine.

[Brooke]

That's okay. And also, she said that you had to move to a quieter area. And I'm just gonna let you know what the room thought when we heard everything. The room was wondering if maybe you had AI listening in on your conversation to help you respond to your date. Because you were checking your phone a lot too.

[Alexis]

Yeah.

[Nicholas]

So I don't know who the room is. Who's the. Who's the room?

[Brooke]

The show. The entire show.

[Jeffrey]

Mostly. It's mostly Alexis.

[Nicholas]

Oh, you people.

[Jeffrey]

Okay, no, because when we talk to her, you know, we all give our ideas, like, oh, maybe it could be this, maybe it could be that.

[Brooke]

These are just theories.

[Alexis]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

So could you just be honest with us and tell us, did you do that? Were you using AI to assist you?

[Nicholas]

I was having some help on the date, but I wasn't using the AI.

[Alexis]

Some help on the date.

[Jeffrey]

Help from your phone?

[Nicholas]

I was on the line with my ex, and she was on the line with us the whole time.

[Brooke]

No, your exact.

[Nicholas]

Yeah, well, I. I mean, sometimes I. I just need help, so she's kind of like a security blanket for me.

[Alexis]

She like guys.

[Jeffrey]

So wait, did you have, like, earbuds in and you were listening to your ex at the same time you were listening to her?

[Nicholas]

No, no, I. She was just on mute, like she couldn't say anything. She wasn't coaching me. I just wanted her to hear everything.

[Alexis]

So she's kind of taking notes, and then later you will call her and she will go over the notes. Is that what I'm thinking?

[Jeffrey]

Your ex volunteer tears to listen to hours of your dates?

[Alexis]

Yeah. What.

[Brooke]

What a kind woman.

[Alexis]

What a weird woman.

[Nicholas]

Well, it's part of our post breakup growth agreement.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, what?

[Brooke]

Post breakup growth agreement?

[Alexis]

Wow. Are we, as a lawyer in that?

[Nicholas]

Yeah, we mutually agreed upon. And I listened to her dates, too, on occasion. It's just we help each other get through our past breakup and move into a new one. So it's healthy and.

[Brooke]

Oh, very healthy. Yeah. I mean, it's a very conscious uncoupling.

[Jeffrey]

Do you find that angel doesn't like your new dates?

[Alexis]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, that is a good point. Because he said sabotage.

[Nicholas]

Well, you know, she was not a fan of Angie.

[Brooke]

Okay, well, she wasn't. But how did you feel about her?

[Nicholas]

I was enjoying myself, but she mentioned that she seemed like a try hard. And then when I was thinking about it, I think that she might be kind of a try hard.

[Jeffrey]

Wait, wait. Don't you want people to try hard on a first time date like this?

[Alexis]

Is that a positive?

[Jeffrey]

We're on Angie side.

[Joel Kern]

Excuse me, how was I A try hard?

[Jeffrey]

That's coming in hard.

[Brooke]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Brooke]

Nicholas, you might find this funny, but your ex girlfriend and Angie have a lot in common because she's actually been on the phone listening in on this conversation.

[Joel Kern]

Hey.

[Nicholas]

Okay, that's not. That's not fair. I didn't. I didn't know that I didn't.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, and Angie didn't know your ex was listening to her either.

[Brooke]

Judging. But say hi to Angie.

[Nicholas]

But she was. Hi. Hi, Angie.

[Brooke]

There you go.

[Joel Kern]

Hi. I mean, you're saying this is a healthy thing, but you also said your ex is your security blanket, so it doesn't feel like you're ready to be dating other people.

[Alexis]

Yeah.

[Nicholas]

No. Well, in most relationships, people don't have the right closure and then they hold on to the past, and so this is a way to move on to future.

[Joel Kern]

Yeah, you're not moving on. You're literally still relying on your ex to make your decisions down to who you're dating.

[Nicholas]

Well, we spend a lot of time together, so she knows me really well. And she sees things from the opposite sex that I might not see.

[Joel Kern]

Then maybe you guys should be together still.

[Alexis]

That's what I was like.

[Nicholas]

No, it's not. It's not like that. We're not romantically involved whatsoever. It's just we have a year left in our post breakup growth agreement.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah, that's a long time.

[Alexis]

You're kind of each other's life coaches.

[Brooke]

Really?

[Jeffrey]

Can't you just recap the day date with your ex instead of having her listen in the whole time?

[Nicholas]

Well, see, there's trigger words and things that she'll say like. Well, that's a red flag that I don't typically see.

[Alexis]

Pick up.

[Brooke]

This does make sense now. Why he whispered good job at the very end of the date. He wasn't saying it to Angie. He was saying it to his ex girlfriend who was listening.

[Joel Kern]

That still doesn't make sense.

[Nicholas]

No, I. I was talking to Angie. I. I did whisper good job because I thought that we were going to get to go on another date because I. I enjoyed myself and I didn't want my ex to hear her.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, my gosh. When you end the call, Nicholas told.

[Joel Kern]

Her not to Go out with me again. And you listen me.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, here's the thing. I actually think Nicholas is over his ex. I think your ex, Nicholas, is not over you. And I don't think you're seeing that correctly.

[Nicholas]

I mean, that's a possibility. And I. And I kind of agree with that. But we still have our. Our agreement. And I have.

[Jeffrey]

You can rip it up.

[Brooke]

Okay.

[Joel Kern]

Did you get it notarized? What are we talking about here?

[Jeffrey]

And if all she could come up with is she's a try hard as the biggest red flag. Oh, man.

[Alexis]

That's not a red flag.

[Jeffrey]

That's a weak red flag.

[Joel Kern]

Yeah, and I didn't try that hard. I didn't even shave my legs for that day.

[Jeffrey]

Gross.

[Alexis]

And I love it.

[Brooke]

There must be some claws in your contract with her that lets you get out of it when you find an amazing new girl like Angie here, because.

[Joel Kern]

Wait, I have a question. What if I had put out on the first date? Would she have been listening in?

[Jeffrey]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Alexis]

Lord, does that count?

[Nicholas]

Our date wasn't supposed to go over an hour and a half. I know. We were already pushing it at an hour 40.

[Jeffrey]

Oh, time.

[Alexis]

Even if you wanted to, it's in the agreement.

[Brooke]

He was already breaking the rules a little bit for her. So the band aid starting to come.

[Alexis]

Off or he's like, hold on, let me ask my ex. Hey, can I sleep with this?

[Brooke]

Yeah. Angie, just real quick first, are you still interested in meeting up with Nicholas again after what? You know?

[Joel Kern]

Are you insane?

[Alexis]

There's no way.

[Brooke]

Oh, I thought you were. Okay.

[Alexis]

No, Jeff, that would have been wild.

[Jeffrey]

If she said yes. He breaks the thing. Yeah.

[Alexis]

Yeah, that's true.

[Brooke]

Angie doesn't want to extend the offer anymore. So, Nicholas, we're not obviously going to give you another date with Angie here.

[Alexis]

How funny if his girlfriend has been on the line this whole time, too.

[Jeffrey]

Yeah. Wait, is she.

[Alexis]

Is she on the third line?

[Joel Kern]

What's her name? Let's say hi.

[Jeffrey]

Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.

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[Andrea Gunning]

I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all, his wife, Caroline.

[Joel Kern]

He texted, I've ruined our lives.

[Katherine Townsend]

You're going to want to divorce me.

[Andrea Gunning]

Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes. He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community.

[Brooke]

She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing.

[Jeffrey]

No.

[Andrea Gunning]

How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done?

[Unknown]

You're unable to keep track of all your lies, and quite frankly, I question how many other women may bring forward allegations in the future.

[Andrea Gunning]

This season of Betrayal investigates one officer's decades of deception. Lies that left those closest to him questioning everything they thought they knew. Listen to betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brooke]

So his ex was on the phone on mute, listening to the entire date for an hour and 40 minutes, taking notes, and she said no.

[Jeffrey]

I mean, that's shocking. I really thought that that was gonna work out.

[Alexis]

After we found that information, I tried to call my ex over and over to listen, and she's gonna answer.

[Brooke]

What's wrong with her?

[Alexis]

I don't get it, Jeff.

[Brooke]

I guess the fascinating thing to me is if she would have said yes, could you imagine that conversation where Nicholas is really excited and he calls you like, hey, great news. We get to go out again. My ex gave you the thumbs up. First one in six months. Congrats.

[Alexis]

She approves.

[Jeffrey]

It really did sound like Nicholas was over his ex and his ex just isn't over him.

[Alexis]

Yeah, like no girl's good enough for him or something.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Brooke]

Whatever it is, it is a messy situation.

[Alexis]

Did she give him away at the wedding?

[Jeffrey]

She's still hoping that she is the one married.

[Alexis]

She'll be there regardless.

[Brooke]

We'll find out. But speaking of messy situations, our social media, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, you could see all of our second dates on there. And those are messy for sure. Make sure to comment, like subscribe at Brooke and Jeffrey. We appreciate all of our listeners and if you ever need help in your dating life, email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling you back.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Andrea Gunning]

I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all his wife, Caroline.

[Joel Kern]

He texted, I've ruined our lives.

[Katherine Townsend]

You're going to want to divorce me.

[Andrea Gunning]

How far would he go to cover up what he'd done?

[Unknown]

The fact that you lied is absolutely horrific and quite frankly, I question how many other women are out there that may bring forward allegations in the future.

[Andrea Gunning]

Listen to betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Katherine Townsend]

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[Joel Kern]

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[Katherine Townsend]

Each week I investigate a new case. If there is a case we should Hear about, call 678-744-6145. Listen to Helen Gone Murderline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Brooke]

Why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today. Listen to the American west with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.