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This is Ryder Strong and I have a new podcast called the red weather. In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trainor disappeared from a commune. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs. So, no, I am not your guru. Back then, I lied to everybody.
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They have had this case for 30 years.
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Was this before you wrote his stories? It must have been Okay, I don't think that's true.
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I'm telling you, the guy was a spy. Listen to the Secret World of Roald Dahlia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts on.
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You get your podcast. People who didn't do what John of God wanted them to do, they usually disappeared. John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer. But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear. From Exactly Right and Adonde Media, this is Two Faced John of God. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
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Ooh. If you remember Grandma War is on this show, then you are in for a treat today. Welcome to the Second date podcast. We've got your update. Update. That's where we check in with a couple that was on our show and actually went out again after being on a second date and see what's happened since. So if you remember how this works, we play the original so everybody's up to speed. And then on part three, I know you got to listen to some commercials, skip through them. We get them back on the phone. Yes. So you definitely want to stay around for the whole thing. And first, of course. Comments. Yeah. Ellen for Mike said. No offense to anyone, but my favorite nickname that Jeffrey used for Brooke was Moneybags Brooke. My brother and I loved it so much that we call each other that now.
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Wait, Money Bags Brook. Or just Money Bags, I hope.
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Moneybags Brooke.
C
Yeah.
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Good morning, Moneybags Brooke. Good morning, Moneybags Brook.
D
I love it.
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I love it. All right, your second date starts right now.
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When you talk about typical red flag moments that ruin first dates, normally we hear about a disagreement over who pays the bill. Yeah, somebody lied in their profile about their age, height, or marital status. Or their date's mom showed up unexpectedly and was way hotter and more fun than her daughter ever could be.
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Dude, my worst nightmare.
D
Yeah.
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But this may be the only time the red flag involved a fight over a casserole recipe. Never thought so much drama could come from one old family meal. But it's led us to this, where the couples decided to come back on our show for a special second date update. Update. We'll do it next.
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Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update.
A
What are the percentages of how people meet when they come to us? It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Gotta be up there.
B
Yeah, I'd say like, 80%.
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80, 85%. Dating apps. I think a couple years ago, that was up to, like, 90. But lately, people have been starting to grow tired of that. They're finding new ways to connect. It's true. And you hear about more people meeting at run clubs and yoga classes. One couple even met at the dentist's office in the lobby when they were both high on nitrous, waiting for the rides to take them home. Why do I feel like so does yours?
B
That was maybe just your personal story.
A
Yeah, still sexy and worth mentioning. But we don't get a lot of folks on this segment who already knew each other for years before they ever went out on a date.
B
Yeah, because usually they'd be comfortable enough to, like, check in and see what was going on.
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That's what you think, but we're doing it Today with our listener, Jillian. So, Jillian, welcome to the show.
C
Hi. Thank you for taking the call.
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I'm like, so, like, you got ghosted by someone who is your friend? Like, that makes it worse.
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How long were they were your friend for?
C
So Thomas and I have known each other for almost 20 years.
B
What? Wait, what? Wait, how. How do you guys know each other?
C
So we grew up in the same neighborhood. We hung out together all the time. You know, the barbecues and all that.
B
Oh, man. That's, like, really interwoven.
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Yeah. Yeah. Was he your first K ever as a kid growing up?
C
No. He did ask me out, like, multiple times, like, over the years. He'd asked me out, and I said no, not because I don't like him, but just because I thought it might be awkward for our families, you know? I didn't want to make it weird.
A
When families get that close. I had somebody who I thought was my cousin my whole life. And, like, literally, like, five, 10 years ago, my parents were like, that's not your cousin. That's a good family friend. I'm like, wait, Lisa Marie's not my cousin? I just love you because we've been. Families grow up together.
B
I mean, they feel like blood. They really do. I'm with you on that one.
A
Okay, so he was trying for it, and you kept shooting him down for years.
B
Yeah. So what changed?
C
Well, I saw him a couple weeks ago at a picnic my family was hosting. It had been a while since I'd seen him, and I'm not gonna lie, he looked really good.
B
Thomas grew into himself. Someone had a glow on us.
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And that changed your mind?
C
Yeah. Like, forget weird. Let's just go for this.
B
Okay, so wait, how did you guys turn it into a romantic date, though?
C
Well, I hit him up. I hit him up, and I was just like, hey, you want to meet up, hang out? And he kind of freaked out a little, you know? He was like, when are you free? Let me cook you dinner.
B
He's like, I've waited my whole life for this moment. Why would he. That'd be weird.
A
Well, it's because you rejected him for so long. No wonder he was, like, totally caught back by it.
B
Well, I thought he'd be confused that maybe they were just gonna hang out as friends, but his response definitely doesn't sound like that.
D
She.
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You said the word date. Obviously, you, like, made it clear.
C
Um, I think it was more, like, in my energy and my tone. It kind of made it like, yeah.
D
Yeah, let's hang out.
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The 18 heart emojis at the end of the text message. And the kissing emoji.
B
That wasn't the emoji she was using.
A
Oh, maybe not. Okay, so that's cool. He wanted to cook for you. How did that go?
C
Oh, it's great. We had a fabulous meal. You know, I did the whole, like, hanging out in the kitchen, watching him cook. It was like a coconut curry casserole.
A
Wow, that sounds delicious.
B
Was there any awkwardness? Because sometimes when you turn these friendships into something romantic, like, there can be, I don't know, just funny moments, you know?
C
To be honest, I was amazed at how comfortable it felt. The conversation was really good. We did end up like, a little makeout session happened.
B
Dude, maybe she's wild. Maybe his mind is just still blown and he hasn't, like, come to realize that this wasn't a dream.
A
Yeah. Did that really happen? What happened after the kiss?
C
Well, I did go home. I was a good girl.
A
Oh, okay.
C
But I got a couple of nice texts from him afterwards, you know, like, thanking me for coming over. But then I've texted him a few more times with just sort of, like, some invitations. What are you doing? Want to grab a drink, Et cetera. And he's been sending back the word busy.
A
Oh, just the one word?
C
Yes. Like, the total attitude and energy and all of it has just changed. And I have no idea what's going on with him.
B
Do you think he's trying to play hard to get now? He gets really bad at it.
A
Yeah, flipping the script. So does him. Just texting the word busy to you over and over. Is that worse than just getting straight up ghosted?
C
I don't think he ghosts because, like, our family situation is just too close. Like, that would just be really weird.
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But just saying one word, busy, implies that he's mad at you or something's wrong.
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It's kind of funny the more he says it, though. Busy.
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We're actually kind of busy right now, so we should probably move on to the second part of this call where we reach out to Thomas for you and try to figure out what's going on. Hopefully he's honestly not super busy. I know something really important. We'll find out when we do your second date update right after this.
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Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Second date update. You're in the middle of a second date update update. And we're gonna find out how the couple is doing right after you hear part two.
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If you're just joining us, quick recap of Jillian's date with Thomas, a guy she's known for 20 years as a family friend. And Thomas has actually asked her out several times before. She always would say no to him until he showed up to a family picnic looking like a total snack. And she gave Tommy boy the old green light. After that, they wanted to sit down next to the potato salad. Oh, yeah, you're looking good. Doesn't get any hotter. So eventually went over to his place. He cooked a meal for her.
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So sweet.
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It sounds like a lot of their family gatherings are kind of based around food, so that sounds normal. But since then, he's only been replying to her texts with one word. Busy, very cold. And Jillian doesn't understand why. So we're trying to help figure that out. Jillian, I'm curious. Just going back to the date night. You said he cooked like a coconut curry thing for you. When you bit into it, did you make a weird face or something that could have been taken the wrong way by him where he maybe got offended?
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No, no, there's no way. Like, his coconut curry was amazing. I was like gushing if anything.
B
Yeah. And they had a makeout session afterwards.
A
Well, I've made out with people angrily before when I've been really mad at them. Sometimes you settle differences. If you're a manager and Jeff asked for the manager, do not come. Yeah, it's not going the way you think. You're about to get a piece of my mind and my tongue. So.
B
Yeah, I'm just saying that their first kiss was like crazy because it's like 20 years in the making. That's wild.
A
A lot of build up to that. You even said it all felt natural. The kiss felt natural, the chemistry. Right. That's cool.
B
I mean, there is potential in this if we can get him to. Weird. Keep going.
A
Yeah, so let's just dial his number. Hopefully he's not too busy to pick up and we'll see if we can get some answers out of him. But I'm dialing it right now.
D
Hello?
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Hey, is this Thomas?
D
Yeah, who's this?
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Hey, man. We're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
D
Hello.
C
Good morning.
D
Okay, we're just going to brag.
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Yeah, we're a cool show.
B
Yeah, we are very excited to talk to you. I am.
A
Anyway, we've actually, we've heard a lot about you from someone who asked us to reach out to you named Jillian.
D
Oh, okay.
A
Yeah, okay. Jillian, we know you know her for a long time and this is a segment we do call the second date update. Because we're trying to figure Out? Why? After you two hung out the other night and had dinner together? I mean, she feels like there should be another hangout session, and you're not responding.
D
Yeah, I don't. I don't really know if I'm comfortable talking about this. I'm sorry.
A
I gotta. Well, she thought the date went so well. Did it not go well in your eyes?
B
I mean, it's such a cute story, you two.
A
Yeah, it's been, like, in the making, right?
B
20 years. You finally get out of the friend zone, which impresses every man.
D
Yeah, Yeah, I had. I was looking forward to it, and it went really well. But. Well, there was just a violation of trust, unfortunately.
B
Oh, I don't think she's aware of that at all.
D
Yes, she probably isn't.
A
Well, if you are such good family friends going back 20 years, I feel like you should be comfortable enough to reach out and talk to her if there was an issue, a violation of some sort.
D
I mean, I'm not sure, like, how malicious it was, but it's just. It's complicated, unfortunately. And because of her, my grandmother won't talk to me right now.
B
Wait, what?
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What? Your grandma doesn't like her?
B
What does your grandma have to do with Jillian?
D
Yeah, well, I didn't realize at the time, but she came over and I wanted to treat her. Right, right. So I busted out grandma's secret recipe. You know, it's like this amazing dish that we always make for special occasions. A coconut curry casserole. Right. And I guess while I was in the kitchen cooking and doing my thing, at some point, I must have had my back turned. And the family recipe book is just sitting there open. It's not supposed to be shared with anybody or anything like that. Apparently, at some point, she must have taken a photo of the recipe and forwarded it to her grandmother.
A
Oh, no.
D
Yeah.
C
I don't.
D
I don't know if she meant to steal it, like, maliciously or for whatever reason, but it's now a thing where her grandmother is holding it over my grandmother's head. And now my grandmother's mad at me. She's like, why would you share that? You know, she's pissed.
A
Damn, you got some petty grandma rivalries going on, dude.
B
This feels not that petty to me, though. Really? You get a signature dish that you bring to every event, and everybody wants to know what it is, and you can't tell them because then they're gonna bring it. Then you have to ask, like, oh, are you bringing it? Because I'm gonna bring it. It's A whole thing.
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Yeah. I just. I feel like at the very least, you should have, like, said something or asked me before, but, like, now because of the way it went down and I didn't realize, and then, like, you know, these. These grandmas, they can. They. They got claws, you know?
B
Did you tell her it was a secret recipe before the photo? Like, she knew?
D
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She knows it's my grandma's secret recipe. Absolutely.
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Okay.
D
And now my grandmother's like, you let some temptress come in and seduce you.
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Seduce you.
C
Okay, wait. Hello? Hello?
D
Hello?
C
Hello? I'm here. Thomas. Thomas.
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Okay, shoot. All right. Yeah, Thomas, that's Jillian. She's been waiting on the other line wanting to talk to you.
D
Are you kidding me?
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No.
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Yeah, so that's. That's how this segment works. She's kind of sneaky.
C
I know.
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Seriously, just like Grandma.
C
No, no. So listen, I did not think it was going to be that big of a deal. I had no idea that my grandma was going to share it with your grandma like that and, like, literally taunt her. I did not know that she was going to do that.
D
Well, you've met our grandmothers. They. They. Well, they got like, old school beef with each other.
B
Oh.
C
I was thinking it was going to be more like a funny thing. Like, I didn't realize there was going to be, like, that elevated emotionally.
D
Yeah, hilarious. Now she won't even, like, answer my phone calls.
B
Oh, that's bad.
A
Well, you don't really want to answer any grandma phone calls, to be honest.
B
I don't know.
C
I think you should check the will.
B
Because somebody may be written out.
C
I mean, maybe I could talk to her. Maybe I can talk to her.
D
Oh, trust me, she does not want to talk to you.
A
I. I appreciate that, but not to the temptress that seduced you.
B
But I think there's only one way out of this, and that's Jillian. You have to go get your grandmother's secret recipe and give it to Thomas's grandmother. It's like tit for tat.
C
Wait, wait, guys. I don't know. Maybe that's a little too far.
A
Oh, that's too far. But what you did was innocent.
D
I think that might actually work. I think I know what recipe my grandmother would want.
B
Really? Tell us.
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I love food.
C
Don't say it. Please, Thomas, please don't say it.
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Say it.
D
Grandpa Joe's Bourbon Pecan Pie. You know we want it.
A
Oh, pecan pie. That it would be a solution to balance things out and restore peace to the Neighborhood. And to the grandma verse.
B
I mean, if you have to sneak it, I think it's worth it. Remember how hot Thomas got? Oh, yeah.
D
What was that?
A
Oh, you didn't hear that, Thomas? Yeah, you're hot now, by the way. Never mind. I mean, I can't believe we're doing this. But, Jillian, is it possible that you'd be able to give one. Unleash one family recipe in order to make things good with Thomas? Pecan pie.
B
That's right, the pecan pie.
C
It's possible.
B
She does like you.
A
Wow.
D
Just quick correction. It's not just a pecan pie recipe. It's a bourbon pecan pie.
B
Yeah.
D
All right. Yeah, that's the one we want.
B
All right.
A
Jillian says she's willing to betray her own grandmother and give it up to you.
C
Well, I'm gonna have to ask her, and I'm. I'm. It's going to take some work, but I'm willing to give it a try.
A
All right, well, there you go. Will you say yes to a second date? Because if you do, we would pay for it.
D
I mean, how. How can I say no? Yeah, of course.
B
All right.
A
We'd love to see the kissing after that pecan pie and after the coconut curry. There you go.
B
I'm hungry and turned on.
A
That's normal.
B
Yeah.
C
Thank you, Thomas. I'm looking forward to it.
B
Oh, cute. You guys are gonna be cute.
D
Yeah, of course. And if you come over again, I got the recipe book out. Just promise me you'll. You'll ask me to close it or no. No wandering eyes, right? Yeah.
A
Yeah. You temptress.
C
Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
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Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr have both been assassinated, and black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protest broke out on an unprecedented scale in Atlanta, Georgia. At Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. And a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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In the middle of the night.
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Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.
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I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off.
C
You're supposed to be safe.
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That's your home. That's your husband. To keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark.
D
You're a dangerous person who preys on.
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Vulnerable and trusting people.
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Your creditor, Michael Levengood.
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Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
A
Well, no surprise. That was one of our most popular second date calls of last year. And we've got both Thomas and Jillian back on the phone with us today for update. Update.
B
I didn't know if I wanted them or the grandmas on the phone more.
A
I mean, honestly, we just got Tom and Jill today. But let's go right to Jillian and ask, because everybody wants to know, did you betray your grandfather and give away his secret pie recipe to Thomas?
C
Okay, so I didn't give him the recipe, but we did reach a compromise where I would bake the pie in front of him.
A
Oh, it's like a workaround.
B
I didn't tell her grandpa, but, Thomas.
A
You said you were cool with it.
D
Yeah, yeah, I was cool with that.
A
Okay.
B
As he's furiously taking notes in the background.
A
Yeah, I mean, some guys just like to sit back and watch. I get that. And we do love food drama, but I think we're more interested wondering, are you two actually dating now?
D
Well, there's so much competition between our families over the food stuff. We kind of agreed that if we went out, we needed to do it in secret and not tell anyone. Oh.
B
Oh.
A
Families couldn't know.
B
Kind of like a Romeo and Juliet thing with the warring families.
A
It is kind of hot, actually.
B
Okay, wait, so are you secretly dating, then?
C
Well, it has been six months, and we are still going strong. We wanted to use this podcast to tell everybody, to tell our families that we are officially together.
A
This is the announcement.
B
So you're either gonna get congrats or angry texts.
D
Yeah, well, we're gonna play the podcast for our families separately.
A
Oh, okay. Yeah. Kind of unravels itself. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so now you're official. That must feel good.
C
It does. Oh, my gosh, it's so good to not be having to make up stories about how I have to go meet a friend for coffee or. There was one. I was like, I have a job interview at 7pm you know, it's just ridiculous.
B
Your parents are still listening to this. Remember, don't out every lie.
A
Well, that's what they're. That's true.
D
Yeah.
A
Sorry if we lie, but it was for a good reason.
B
Oh, my God. I feel like we need another update to see how the families react.
A
Yeah, seriously.
D
You know, we'll see. You know, if they have a problem with it, this is how it's gonna be.
B
Okay. Just serve them really good food, the family recipes while they listen to the podcast.
A
It's like a modern day Thanksgiving. We made peace. That's so nice. Well, it's cool to hear from you guys and you're still together. Definitely keep us updated on your relationship. But we appreciate you coming back on the show.
C
Absolutely appreciate it.
A
It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
Podcast: Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update
Episode Date: February 12, 2026
Hosts: Brooke, Jeffrey, (and show regular contributors)
Main Guests: Jillian & Thomas
This lively episode centers on Jillian and Thomas, childhood friends who, after nearly two decades, finally went on a romantic first date. However, their budding romance is soon overshadowed by a surprisingly dramatic family feud ignited by a secret casserole recipe. The hosts replay the original call, dig into the aftermath, and, in this UPDATE edition, bring both Jillian and Thomas back to reveal what happened in the months following their “casserole controversy.” Themes of family rivalry, trust, humor, and a little culinary espionage all combine, creating an episode that’s as heartwarming as it is entertaining.
The episode is fast-paced, playful, and full of banter. The hosts strike a balance between lighthearted jokes (sometimes a bit cheeky) and genuine empathy for the couple’s awkward predicament. Both Jillian and Thomas come across as sincere, a little embarrassed by their families’ intensity, but eager to make things work.
“Family Dinner Drama” showcases how even a simple act—like dating a family friend or copying a recipe—can ripple into hilarious, heartfelt family feuds. With trademark wit, the Brooke and Jeffrey team help Jillian and Thomas move (warily) from family frenemies to secret sweethearts. By the end, love and a bit of bourbon pecan pie seem poised to heal the rift… at least until the next holiday potluck.
If you love food, family antics, and second-chance stories with real heart, this episode is a must-listen!