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Tomer Cohen
I'm Tomer Cohen, LinkedIn's chief product officer. If you're just as curious as I am about the way things are built, then tune into my podcast, BuildingOne. I speak with some of the best product builders out there.
Brooke
I've always been inspired by frustration.
Alexis
It came back to my own personal pain point.
Brooke
So we had to go out to farmers and convince them.
Jeremy
Following that curiosity is a superpower. You have to be obsessed with the human condition.
Brooke
Listen to building one on the iHeartRadio app, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Erica
The OGs of uncensored motherhood are back and badder than ever. I'm Erica. And I'm Mila. And we're the hosts of the Good Moms Bad Choices podcast brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Yeah, we're moms, but not your mommy. Historically, men talk too much and women have quietly listened. And all that stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your tribe. Listen to the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast.
Katherine Legge
Hey, you guys, I'm Katherine Legge. I'm a racing driver who's literally driven everything with four wheels across the planet. And I've got a new podcast. It's called Throttle Therapy. This season, I'm competing in some of the world's most notorious racing events. Tune in to my new podcast, Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legge, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get.
Jackie
Your podcast, presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
Alec Baldwin
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the Thing, I speak with musician, photographer, and philanthropist Julian Lennon.
Alexis
One of the really important things that happened to me with photography was I would have people write to me, people that couldn't financially afford to travel the world. And what they had all said to me is that you bring these stories to us. You bring the truth, you bring cultures that we would never necessarily anything about.
Alec Baldwin
Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke
If you're a longtime fan of our second dates on this show, then you might remember we did one from Halloween about a year and a half ago, two Halloweens ago, with a woman dressed as Barbie who met a guy dressed as Ken At a party. We have been asking for an update for a long time from them, and now we finally have it.
Jackie
What took so long?
Brooke
We're going to find out after you hear the original. We have got him back for a very special update. Update that's coming up right after this second date update. We've got a returning listener to the show. His name is Jeremy, and you may remember he was on a second date a while back that we called order in the court because Jeremy and his date were both in the true crime. So for their outing together.
Jackie
Oh, my gosh.
Brooke
They went to a courthouse and sat in on a live trial, which was.
Jackie
Not as exciting as they had hoped.
Brooke
Well, what Jeremy's date didn't know is that he's actually been there before multiple times. And showed her all the different courtrooms that he's been in facing previous criminal charges. To be fair, he was never convicted of any of them. And he's a totally reformed man now. Learned his lesson to never, ever wind up back there. And now he's back once again on our show.
Jackie
Did learn his lesson here.
Brooke
Jer Bear. Good to have you back on again. How you been?
Jeremy
I've been well.
Jackie
You've been a free man, right, Jeremy?
Jeremy
Sure, sure. Free man.
Alexis
Yeah.
Brooke
Once you get out. Now you're Jer bear. Yeah. So this time, you did not go to the courthouse again. Where'd you take her out?
Jeremy
Well, I didn't take out anyone. I. I met someone at, like, a Barbie themed Halloween party.
Brooke
So fun this year.
Jeremy
Oh, it was cool. Was dressed as someone from the Barbie universe.
Jackie
Yeah.
Jeremy
I went as athlete Ken.
Brooke
Okay. Okay.
Jeremy
I knew there'd be a lot of Kens, but there was, like, literally 30 Kens there.
Jackie
Well, it's not like everyone's gonna dress as Alan. Okay. Yeah, that would be a hard costume to get through a doorway for sure.
Brooke
Yeah.
Jeremy
So the. The party's pretty cool. They got pink everything. Pink punch, pink Eminem. They have a pink Corvette and they parked it outside so people could take pictures with it.
Brooke
That is an expensive party. Is this, like, rich people?
Jackie
Is this, like, friends that are throwing this? Is that how you know these people?
Jeremy
I was invited by a mutual friend, but I'd never met this girl before. So they had this, like, Barbie box. Like a fake one.
Jackie
Oh, yeah. Where you could take all the pictures in.
Jeremy
Those are cool.
Brooke
I see the movie theaters, Right?
Jeremy
So there's this girl, her name's Jackie, and she was dressed as sleepover Barbie. So she's in, like, silk pajamas.
Jackie
Oh, that's Cute.
Jeremy
So I just. I don't know her at all. She's inside the Barbie box. And then she shouted like, hey, I need a Ken to come take a picture with me. So, like, I just jumped in and we did, like, this photo shoot and then we started hitting it off. You know, it's pretty close quarters. We're dancing and because of all the pink punch, you know, got a little sloppy, but okay. Really easy to start, you know, just good. Just making out a little bit, you know?
Brooke
Wow.
Jackie
I mean, a Barbie party is prime for that, right?
Brooke
Like, yeah, I thought Barbie doesn't kiss Ken.
Jackie
Barbie does whatever Barbie wants. Yeah. And if she wants to kiss him on Halloween, she will.
Brooke
Barbie's world, Barbie's rules.
Jackie
Barbie has a great day every day.
Brooke
Yeah, but, okay, you're hitting it off with Jackie, the sleepover Barbie.
Jeremy
Right. And then we go and we sit in the pink Corvette and we just, like, relax, talk about life.
Jackie
And it gets deep, huh?
Jeremy
Going really well. And I'm trying really hard to not ask her for a sleepover, even though she's dressed for it. One of her friends, probably nosy Barbie, came out and said, oh, there you are. Come inside. And then she pulled Jackie back into the party and just, like, left me hanging.
Jackie
Overprotective Barbie.
Brooke
So, I mean, did you go and take her back, Grab her other arm?
Jackie
I would hope he just got her number or something, right?
Jeremy
I did get her number.
Brooke
Oh, okay.
Jeremy
It was kind of like a Cinderella kind of thing because I sent her some texts, I told her how much fun it was, how I wanted to see her again, and then nothing.
Jackie
Really?
Brooke
Yeah.
Jackie
And it's like you didn't even overstep your bounds. Like, you didn't expect anything from her. You were going to make the sleepover joke. Yeah.
Brooke
And how long ago was this party?
Jeremy
Yeah, this is just last weekend.
Jackie
Okay. But it's like if you miss your, like, momentum after, like, a party meet up. Yeah, exactly.
Brooke
But at the same time, I feel like Ken and Barbie, like, this is pretty much the most that they do in their relationship. Right.
Jackie
Is kiss.
Brooke
They kiss in the Corvette, and that's where it ends.
Jackie
It's only because they don't have the parts to make.
Brooke
But I don't even have fingers like each other. Jeremy, you have the parts, right?
Jeremy
I got the good parts.
Brooke
Let's try to make sure we put them to use when we do our second date.
Jackie
Let's not expect that.
Brooke
Okay.
Jackie
Yeah.
Jeremy
I'd like to go on a real date with her. And we don't have to wear.
Jackie
Okay. In the. In the real world not Barbie universe.
Jeremy
Yes, okay, the real world universe.
Brooke
Universe. Well, let's try and get you a real date here. When we come back, we'll call Jackie for you and try and get you hooked up with her right after this second date update.
Jackie
You're in the middle of a second date update update. And we're gonna find out how the couple is doing right after you hear part two.
Brooke
It's been all Barbie so far in the second date update.
Jackie
And I love it because our listener.
Brooke
Jeremy went to a Barbie themed Halloween party where he met a girl named Jackie dressed as sleepover Barbie and they did a quick photo shoot together, drank some pink punched, kissed a little, and then had a heart to heart outside in the pink Corvette for a while.
Jackie
Oh my God. It is seriously like out of the movie. It's the way you describe it.
Brooke
Basically, Brooke and Alexis's dream.
Jackie
It really is for sure.
Brooke
For me, I don't know the world as well as they do. Yeah, it is interesting that there wasn't a real date out of this. It was just more of like an hour long sloppy Halloween makeout session.
Jackie
I mean, that's what happens at Halloween parties.
Brooke
But it's perfect. He did get the girl's number. And the thing is, maybe that was just drunk Barbie giving out her number and not sleepover Barbie.
Jackie
It's. It's hard on Halloween to meet somebody because it's like everybody's playing pretend it doesn't feel real, you know, like maybe she didn't have the same hopes as you did for a future hangout.
Brooke
Okay, do we all agree cheating doesn't count on Halloween?
Jackie
No, it's not what he said.
Brooke
Oh, that's not. She just means like this guy could be just like a fun story. It's like, oh yeah, that one.
Jackie
He's just a Ken.
Brooke
Yeah, he's just a Ken.
Jackie
Okay, I'm just Ken.
Brooke
Do you feel like that could be the case, Jeremy, where maybe she didn't take it very seriously?
Jeremy
I mean, now that you say it like that, that makes a lot of sense.
Jackie
Okay, it is a fun stuff. But you know what? Here's where we come in. We're going to convince her that there's more to the story, right?
Jeremy
I wouldn't call in if I didn't feel strongly about it.
Brooke
Yeah, we got your A. Spoken like a true Ken. There. Here we go. I'm going to call Jackie. We'll see if she answers and we'll get you a second date update here. Let's do it.
Jackie
Oh, my God. I'm just. Ken is now stuck in my head.
Mila
Sorry.
Brooke
Here we go.
Mila
Hello?
Brooke
Hey, we're looking for Jackie.
Mila
This is Jackie. Who is this?
Brooke
Hey, Jackie. We're a morning show called Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.
Jackie
Hey, Jackie.
Brooke
Hey.
Mila
Wow. Hi.
Jackie
Yeah, we're all here, man.
Brooke
Yeah, you're on the radio right now.
Mila
Okay, that's pretty fun.
Brooke
That's one of the best reactions we've gotten from calling someone like this.
Mila
Wow.
Brooke
Okay, this is something we do called the Second date Update. And we're trying to help one of our listeners get in touch with you again after you guys hung out at a Barbie themed Halloween party. It's a guy named Jeremy.
Mila
Oh.
Jackie
He was dressed as athlete Ken.
Mila
Yeah.
Brooke
Uh. Oh, your voice went down at the end there. What happened?
Mila
Well, we had a really good connection.
Brooke
Oh, he felt the same way.
Jackie
I mean, you haven't returned any of his texts or calls or anything. Is there a reason?
Mila
Well, you know, Tracksuit Ken kind of turned into playboy Ken.
Jackie
Oh, what does that mean?
Mila
So I was talking to my girlfriend and we're talking about, oh, my God, last night was so great. And I'm like, yeah, I met, like, this tracksuit Ken and he was so cute. We were in the pink car bed and she was like, when was this? Like, in the car vet. Oh, my God, I want to see what he looks like. So he's like, let's pull up the ring camera videos.
Brooke
Yeah, that's actually smart.
Mila
So, like, all of us got together like popcorn pop tarts were looking at this video like, oh, my God, he's like, really cute. Oh, my God, you're making out like this is.
Jackie
That's so funny.
Brooke
Yeah, one of my things is creepy. Oh, God, you're going to second base.
Jackie
It's her in the video. And it's dark. It's not like you could see, like, you know, everything in the ring camera.
Mila
So we see my friend come out, like, grab me, and we leave. And then we see this Skipper.
Brooke
Who's Skipper?
Jackie
Skipper is Barbie's little sister.
Mila
Her little sister.
Brooke
Sorry. Like, no, thank you. You have to make it clear for me. I know all the girls understand.
Jackie
Get with it.
Mila
Yeah, so I was. I went back into the place, was talking to, like, my girlfriends, and Skipper was there, and I was like, oh, my God, he's so cute. Like, he's such a ray kisser. So that same Skipper we see walk to the car vet and start talking to him.
Jackie
Okay, so now you're seeing on the ring camera your Ken talking to Skipper?
Mila
Yeah.
Brooke
Okay.
Mila
And she gets in the car. Oh, no. And they're, like, talking and laughing, and all of a sudden she just scoots over and they start making out.
Brooke
Oh, man. Girls are the worst.
Jackie
No, I'm just. Ok, know it sucks that you saw it on a ring camera, but, like, it's a party. I don't know, but I've kissed two different people at one party before.
Brooke
You know, right after your friend kissed them.
Jackie
But she's not friends with Skipper. I mean, the problem is, I'm guessing that you didn't like seeing him kiss another girl when he said he was interested in you.
Mila
I mean, yeah, like, I. I was shocked. I just. I gave him my phone number and I thought that he was interested in me.
Jeremy
But, hey, I just gotta say, I am very interested in you. And.
Jackie
Okay, now it's. Now it's interrupting. Ken.
Jeremy
Well, I gotta set the record straight.
Brooke
Like, hold on, hold on, man. We have to let Jackie know that is. What's his real name? Jeremy. God, there's so many names. Jeremy has been listening to this call.
Jackie
What? This is a really voyeuristic one. Like, he's listening in. She's watching the video.
Brooke
Yeah, they were watching her video.
Jackie
Yeah.
Brooke
Oh, man.
Mila
Oh, my God.
Brooke
Yeah, sorry. That's how these calls work.
Jeremy
Look, it didn't mean anything. It was the pink punch. It was stronger than I thought.
Brooke
So not alcohol.
Jackie
I think you should probably come in, Jeremy, with an apology. Like, I'm so sorry you saw that or something.
Jeremy
I am sorry. I didn't intend to hurt you, but, I mean, you kind of just like, left me out there alone.
Jackie
Oh, okay. It's not very good apology.
Mila
What kind of apology is this? I left you out there alone? What are you, a child? What are you, five?
Jeremy
He just took off in the middle of something. Right? So I'm sorry that Skipper took advantage.
Jackie
It sounds like you're getting mojo. Dojo casa house, Ken, is what you're getting.
Brooke
I have no idea. I don't know.
Jackie
It was a good point, bro. Yeah. Thank you.
Jeremy
Okay, all I'm saying is that, like, Jackie, you shouldn't be mad at me. You should be mad at her.
Brooke
Oh, focus our anger.
Jackie
Oh, that's.
Mila
I'm mad at both of you.
Jackie
Yeah.
Mila
Ken would never do this to Barbie.
Jeremy
Look, I just truly believe that you and I had a connection.
Mila
Oh, my God.
Jeremy
That's why I called the station. And then call Skipper. Whoever. Like, I'm interested in you. So.
Brooke
That is true.
Jeremy
I'm a Barbie. Let's Go party.
Jackie
I'd stay away from parties right now, Ken. Those are what got you in trouble.
Brooke
I mean, but he does have a point.
Jackie
And he just kissed her, Jackie. It's not like.
Jeremy
Right. That's all that happened.
Mila
Yeah, like, I. I get that, but the camera does not lie. They were getting it in. Like he was caressing her neck, grabbing her hair.
Jackie
I understand that that's probably hard to unsee.
Brooke
And please stop describing it, because you're getting Jose all kinds of excited over here, and it's creating an issue in the studio. But the bottom line is, Jackie, that Jeremy has no interest in Skipper or whoever that girl is. That was a total mistake. He would even admit that. And he would like to see you again one more time. We'd like to send you out one more time to the beach. And we would pay for that date.
Mila
I mean, but what if a Skipper shows up and he just, like, runs off into the sunset with Skipper?
Jackie
Oh, no.
Brooke
It's the perfect test. Let's hope it happens.
Jeremy
That doesn't make sense. Look, she's not like your real sister or anything, right?
Mila
So now I need to be aware of my own family members with you.
Jackie
Wait, what? That's a big joke.
Brooke
We need an answer from you, Jackie. Yes or no. One date.
Mila
Okay. As long as we're not drinking and you're sober and you know it's me and you're not kissing other people.
Jackie
I don't think he ever thought it wasn't you.
Brooke
It's a yes with a list of stipulations. Congratulations, Jeremy, as a date should be.
Jeremy
Yay.
Jackie
Yeah. Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
Brooke
That call was from back in 2023 die hards of the show might remember it, but now, over a year later, we finally are gonna get an update from Jeremy and Jackie.
Jackie
Dude, it's been, like, a year and a half. Yeah.
Brooke
Although I only see one phone line active. Jackie, Jeremy, Are you both on the same line?
Mila
No, no, it's just Jackie.
Brooke
Oh, Jackie, wait.
Jackie
Please don't tell me that the update is.
Brooke
Well, what's going on?
Jackie
I haven't seen him in a year and a half.
Mila
Well, I mean, we dated. Oh, you did? For a while.
Brooke
Okay.
Mila
For like, a year.
Brooke
Oh. Oh. Oh, wow.
Jackie
Oh, you guys got serious.
Mila
I mean, as you guys know, our big drama was that party where he made out with Barbie's sister. I mean, Skipper.
Jackie
Skipper. Skipper did you dirty.
Mila
I mean, I just. I thought that was bad. Yeah, this last Thanksgiving.
Jackie
Oh, no.
Mila
He made out with my actual sister.
Jackie
Shut up.
Brooke
Oh, my.
Jeremy
No.
Brooke
Oh, my God. What the heck?
Jackie
That is so terrible. It's bad on both of them, though, too.
Brooke
Of course, but still.
Mila
So he's into sisters and I'm not into him?
Jackie
Please don't tell me he's now dating your sister.
Mila
No, they're not dating. Thank God. But it was so weird.
Brooke
Yeah.
Jackie
Yeah.
Brooke
Geez.
Mila
Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry I couldn't have a happier update for you guys.
Brooke
Do you want to try again and make something up?
Jackie
Yeah, I don't want Barbie's life to go this way.
Brooke
She's a strong, independent woman, though. She don't need no man. Yeah, we all made a Kennedy today, so. Oh, no. Well, keep us updated on what. What happens going forward in your dating life, Jackie. We just.
Jeremy
We wish the best for you guys.
Jackie
Second date update. Hopefully, we'll do a better job.
Brooke
Yeah.
Jackie
Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
Tomer Cohen
I'm Tomer Cohen, LinkedIn's chief product officer. If you're just as curious as I am about the way things are built, then tune in to my podcast, Building One. I speak with some of the best product builders out there.
Brooke
I've always been inspired by frustration.
Alexis
It came back to my own personal pain point.
Brooke
So we had to go out to farmers and convince them. Following that, curiosity is a superpower.
Jeremy
You have to be obsessed with the human condition.
Brooke
Listen to building one on the iHeartRadio app, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Erica
The OGs of uncensored motherhood are back and badder than ever. I'm Erica. And I'm Mila. And we're the hosts of the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast, brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Yeah, we're moms, but not your mommy. Historically, men talk too much and women have quietly listened. And all that stops here. If you like witty women, then this is your try. Listen to the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast.
Katherine Legge
Hey, you guys, I'm Katherine Legg. I'm a racing driver who's literally driven everything with four wheels across the planet. And I've got a new podcast. It's called Throttle Therapy. This season, I'm competing in some of the world's most notion notorious racing event. Tune into my new podcast, Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legg, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Jackie
Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iheart Women's Sports.
Alec Baldwin
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the Thing, I speak with musician, photographer, and philanthropist Julian Lennon.
Alexis
One of the really important things that happened to me with photography was I would have people write to me, people that couldn't financially afford to travel the world. And what they had all said to me is that you bring these stories to us, you bring the truth, you bring cultures that we would never necessarily know anything about.
Alec Baldwin
Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update – "UPDATE: Hey Barbie, Why No Party?"
Episode Overview
In the January 30, 2025 episode of Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update, hosts Brooke and Jackie delve into the intriguing fallout of a listener’s Halloween-themed second date. The episode titled "UPDATE: Hey Barbie, Why No Party?" explores the complexities of modern dating through the lens of a Barbie-themed encounter that initially showed promise but ultimately ended in disappointment.
Recap of the First Date: Jeremy and Jackie’s Barbie-Themed Encounter
The episode begins with a nostalgic look back at a previous Halloween episode where Jeremy met Jackie at a Barbie-themed party. Dressed as Athlete Ken, Jeremy narrates his experience:
Jeremy [05:27]: "I just jumped in and we did, like, this photo shoot and then we started hitting it off... just making out a little bit, you know?"
The party was a vibrant scene with pink decorations, pink punch, and a luxurious pink Corvette designed for photo opportunities. Jackie, dressed as Sleepover Barbie in silk pajamas, caught Jeremy’s attention. Their initial interaction was filled with playful romance, enhanced by the party’s whimsical atmosphere.
Hosts’ Intervention: Attempting to Reconnect
Realizing that Jeremy had not maintained contact with Jackie after the event, Brooke and Jackie decided to intervene. They reached out to Jackie live on air to facilitate a second date update. Brooke explains the situation:
Brooke [09:56]: "We're trying to help one of our listeners get in touch with you again after you guys hung out at a Barbie themed Halloween party."
During the live call, Jackie reveals that she and Jeremy had indeed gone on a brief relationship:
Jackie [17:12]: "We dated. Oh, you did? For a while."
The Fallout: Infidelity and Breakup
However, the update takes a turn when Jackie discloses that Jeremy’s interactions extended beyond their initial meeting. She shares a distressing revelation:
Mila [12:24]: "We see my friend come out, like, grab me, and we leave. And then we see this Skipper... they start making out."
Skipper, depicted as Barbie's little sister, becomes the unexpected source of conflict. Jackie explains that during a subsequent encounter captured on a Ring camera, Jeremy was seen kissing Skipper, leading to a breach of trust:
Jackie [14:53]: "He just kissed her, Jackie. It's not like."
Jeremy attempts to defend himself, attributing the incident to the influence of pink punch:
Jeremy [13:04]: "I just gotta set the record straight."
Despite Jeremy’s apologies and reassurances of his true intentions, the damage was irreparable. Jackie confronts the situation with frustration:
Jackie [17:14]: "Mila: I mean, we dated. Oh, you did? For a while."
The relationship ended abruptly, leaving both parties disappointed and followers of the podcast intrigued by the dramatic turn of events.
Insights and Reflections
Brooke and Jackie use this real-life scenario to highlight the challenges of contemporary dating, especially in themed or high-energy environments like costume parties. They emphasize the importance of clear communication and trust, illustrating how misunderstandings and external influences can derail budding relationships.
Brooke [08:28]: "He did get the girl's number. And the thing is, maybe that was just drunk Barbie giving out her number and not sleepover Barbie."
The episode serves as a cautionary tale about the complexities of navigating relationships where appearances and initial impressions may not fully capture underlying intentions or commitments.
Conclusion
"UPDATE: Hey Barbie, Why No Party?" offers listeners an engaging and relatable narrative on the pitfalls of modern dating. Through Jeremy and Jackie’s experience, Brooke and Jackie shed light on the importance of authenticity and the potential consequences of blurred boundaries in romantic pursuits. The episode underscores the podcast’s mission to entertain while providing insightful commentary on the human condition in the dating world.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps
Jeremy [05:27]: "I just jumped in and we did, like, this photo shoot and then we started hitting it off... just making out a little bit, you know?"
Brooke [09:56]: "We're trying to help one of our listeners get in touch with you again after you guys hung out at a Barbie themed Halloween party."
Jackie [17:12]: "We dated. Oh, you did? For a while."
Jeremy [13:04]: "I just gotta set the record straight."
Brooke [08:28]: "He did get the girl's number. And the thing is, maybe that was just drunk Barbie giving out her number and not sleepover Barbie."
This episode of Brooke and Jeffrey: Second Date Update masterfully intertwines humor, drama, and real-life lessons, making it a compelling listen for anyone navigating the tumultuous waters of modern relationships.