
We hear why some people are cutting back, and how others are turning to AI to buy gifts
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Explore what the charter holder advantage looks like@cfainstitute.org hello and welcome to a bustling Christmas market in the heart of Toronto and today's Business Daily on the BBC World Service. I'm Megan Lawton, and with just a few days until December 25th, we're looking at how Christmas spending is changing. A lot of people are kind of like trying to make mortgage payments, but then also trying to like, spend and keep the tradition going. So it's kind of hard to manage both. I do think people are buying, buying. They're looking for better quality and better value rather than just buying, you know, 100 things. Recent data suggests consumers here in Canada are planning to cut back on festive spending this year. And it's a similar picture over the border in the US it's just a.
Doug Stephens
Generally unstable condition where I think consumers are afraid of overspending for fear that they may need that cash in the new year.
Megan Lawton
Today we'll look at where we're still spending our money and hear how some are using artificial intelligence to help with their shopping.
Hiten Patel
In today's market condition, you want to buy something that's packing a bit more punch for the money that you're spending.
Megan Lawton
That's all coming up on today's business daily. It's minus 2 degrees in Toronto today, but that hasn't stopped hundreds of people coming down to the Winter Village in the city's Distillery district. Once a working distillery, there are cobbled streets, tall Victorian red brick buildings all centered around a piazza. In the center, there's a huge, glittering Christmas tree decked out in Lavish giant baubles and then some creative looking reindeer made out of beer barrels at the bottom. You can imagine lots of people are queuing up to have their picture taken in front of front of the tree. And it's there that I meet Monique, Katrina and Lindsay. I think I just caught you comparing where you're going to get food from this Christmas market. Have you decided where you're gonna go?
Hiten Patel
We know what we want.
Megan Lawton
We're just trying to find it. And what do you want? The sushi burrito. Canadians are one of the world's biggest spenders when it comes to Christmas. But a recent survey from accounting firm PwC suggests 80% of Canadians plan to cut back this year. While while they won't reduce spending on family, they will spend less on friends and themselves. Are you in that 80%, do you think? Absolutely, we are. We were just talking about that before you walked up to us.
Doug Stephens
And I think that a lot of.
Megan Lawton
Us are looking at the economy and just wondering what is ahead and just have to be a little bit more cautious of how we're spending. So how does that translate, do you think, into what you do put your money to and what you don't? I think gifts that are meaningful. She was talking about with her boyfriend. She's gonna give him something meaningful that he's actually gonna use because a lot of us buy gifts and the person doesn't use it afterwards. They kind of put it aside, especially with the kids. They use the toy for one, two times and then they chuck it aside. So things are more meaningful this year. Experiences. More experiences. I told people do that with their kids instead of buying them toys that they have lots of. Definitely. And going to the thrift store too, trying to save money that way because everything's so expensive now. Thank you so much for your time today day and go enjoy your sushi burrito. Thank you so much. On the other side of the piazza, I meet Mike and Michaela. We're here to talk spending. Have you bought anything today?
Doug Stephens
Nothing aside from food and stuff. We didn't buy any presents down here because very overpriced for buying stuff like that down here right now. But tried lots of different food out and it was good.
Megan Lawton
Yeah. Nice. What was the highlight of everything you tried?
Doug Stephens
I think the sipping chocolate, honestly is a very melted chocolate, very concentrated and. Yeah, it was really good.
Megan Lawton
Good, nice. And you? The same. The sipping chocolate.
Doug Stephens
Costa Rica chocolate experience. Yes, that's what it was. Yeah.
Megan Lawton
Here in Canada, some Costa Rica. So we're thinking ahead to Christmas this year. Are you thinking about budgeting differently? Are you approaching Christmas shopping in a way you haven't before?
Doug Stephens
I mean, I always kind of spend accordingly. So it's going to be the same as every year, kind of obviously a little bit more with inflation is going to be spending. But yeah, nothing really crazy yet.
Megan Lawton
And do you think you'll feel that inflation, inflation when you're kind of out in the shops or have you already? Yeah, yeah, we definitely have.
Doug Stephens
Yes.
Megan Lawton
For sure.
Doug Stephens
Yeah. Definitely notice the difference. Yeah.
Megan Lawton
On what kind of stuff?
Doug Stephens
Just kind of. Even the prices for food has gone up a lot over here and all the little stuff, even that's where you notice it the most.
Megan Lawton
The big stuff is always expensive.
Doug Stephens
With the little stuff you notice a lot more.
Megan Lawton
Yeah, a lot of people are kind of like trying to make mortgage payments, but then also trying to like spend, spend and keep the tradition going. So it's kind of hard to manage both with spending habits changing. How does that impact the retail sector? I've arranged to meet with one of the shop owners who's based at the Distillery district all year round.
Hiten Patel
My name is Nelmar and I'm the owner of Toronto Pen Shop.
Megan Lawton
Toronto Pen Shop. And that. That does what it says on the tin. We're in your shop right now?
Hiten Patel
Yes. For our shop is we specialize in mainly fountain pens, but we have rollerballs, ballpoints, pencil, anything that you can write in beds. We also have papers, inks from all over the world. We are one stop shop for stationery lovers.
Megan Lawton
I ask Nelma about the trends he's noticing this year.
Hiten Patel
Customers are buying smaller items, but more of them. So higher units in terms of their baskets but smaller items. That's what we're seeing. But in terms of our sales is we are doing way better than what we expected. We're gonna keep on going and we'll see where the month goes and we'll see where the year ends.
Megan Lawton
Nelmar's observation fits in with what Monique just told me. A trend of people buying practical gifts that they believe their loved ones will actually use.
Hiten Patel
The products that we sell in the store are reusable over and over again. Yes, they are cheaper, but we can keep on refilling a pen or like a notepad. We can keep on refilling them. So most of the products that we carry in the store are reusable.
Megan Lawton
Well, thank you very much for your time and good luck with the rest of the season.
Hiten Patel
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Megan Lawton
What's happening at this market isn't unique. That same Cautious spending is showing up across Canada and beyond. Doug, have you started your Christmas shopping yet?
Doug Stephens
You know what? I'm a notorious last minute shopper. I'm literally the guy who's running through the mall or scrambling online at the last minute.
Megan Lawton
Doug Stephens is the founder and CEO of Retail Profit, based in Ontario, Canada. It's a global consultancy in the retail industry. I tell him about two figures I've seen relating to North America. In Canada, a PwC survey suggests consumers are planning to spend 10% less than they did last year. And in the US another survey from the same consultancy suggests shoppers Plan to spend 5% less on seasonal spending compared to 2024.
Doug Stephens
It's an extremely cautious economic environment. Obviously, the tariffs and the trade war between Canada and the United States has had some impact on pricing, particularly in categories like food, apparel, automobiles, etc.
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Hello and thank you for joining us. We are just hours away from President Trump's tariff deadline. At midnight tonight, the Trump administration will impose sweeping new tariffs on the majority of U.S. trading partners. President Trump has already announced frameworks for trade deals with six countries and the European Union. But even some of our largest trading partners don't have a deal done just yet. The President has signed an executive order to increase tariffs on Canadian imports from 25% to 35% starting at midnight. Earlier at the and I think there's.
Doug Stephens
Just a general sense of worry about job security against the backdrop, quite frankly, Megan, of income and wealth polarization that has reached record levels. Debt is at record levels, particularly credit card debt. So generally speaking, there's just, I think, an air of uncertainty that is giving people reason to really think about their spending this holiday season.
Megan Lawton
But that caution doesn't mean we're stopping spending across the board.
Doug Stephens
The trend that we have seen over the last couple of decades is that consumers are more inclined to spend on experiences than products. And that is not to suggest that they're not buying products. Certainly they are. But I think that what consumers, generally speaking, are looking for are fewer commodity products and more things that represent, you know, tangible experiences in their lives. So that may be, you know, live entertainment, maybe eating out. It may be going on a nice vacation.
Megan Lawton
It's as if Doug was at the Toronto Christmas market with me when vacations or holidays kept coming up. Every time I asked people what they're still happy to spend money on vacations. I think that's probably one of my biggest things going in 2026. A vacation is good for mental health and experience and getting to like, get clothes, like if I go on a vacation with my girls or my family, like I'm bonding with them. The surveys I've mentioned point to a drop in spending across all age groups. But it's sharpest among Gen Z's and millennials. That's people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s.
Doug Stephens
What retailers are beginning to realize is that we are really up against something very when it comes to the next generation. And a lot of that frankly has to do with economic polarity. It has to do with the concentration of wealth that we see in places like the uk, the us, Canada and a lot of other developed economies where the highest concentration of wealth is at the top 20% of income earners. And so we are seeing a generation now that is forestalling relationships, forestalling having children, buying homes, living at home much, much longer than before than previous generations. I think the average age of a home buyer now, first time home buyer in Canada, is 40 years old. So retailers are up against a situation where there may be entire life milestones that are simply no longer in play. You know, if you're a huge hardware retailer like Home Depot or B and Q, you don't necessarily have a Gen Z consumer that's walking the aisles of your store looking for home improvement products because owning a home is no longer on their radar. It's really not just a matter of, you know, if we have a big sale, we'll attract Gen Z, or if we have an Instagramable moment in our store, that'll really drive them in. I think we have to recognize that the fundamental nature of capitalism may be strained now to the point where we are literally cutting new generations out of the economic equation.
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Hiten Patel
What you have to consider is the future is changing quite quickly.
Megan Lawton
Hiten Patel is the SEO Account Director at marketing company Push, based in London in the uk. He spends a lot of time helping companies show up on AI searches, not just on platforms like ChatGPT, but on search engines too.
Hiten Patel
So when you search for something that is query based, question orientated, essentially you can see that AI overviews takes the top spot. So paid positioning and organic listings have moved all the way down.
Megan Lawton
He explains the kinds of searches people are making.
Hiten Patel
Let's say I need to buy a gift for a family member, for example, and they like to read. They also like hiking. I could put something like I need to buy a gift for a family member who loves reading. Hiking budget is around £50.
Megan Lawton
That's around US$66.
Hiten Patel
And what I'll get is an output from AI that suggests some books. They'll also suggest some outdoor gear. If I'm not happy with the output, I can tell AI and say these aren't ideal things or these aren't ideal genres and specify what I'm looking for or what country the hike is going to be in. And what AI will do is then go away and find specific books in a certain genre or maybe specific outdoor wear that is better in certain conditions.
Megan Lawton
A survey from accounting Firm Deloitte suggests 43% of Gen Zs in America. That's people between their mid teens to late 20s will use AI for gift buying and inspiration. Hiten says they're also using the technology to find the best deals, an indicator, he says, of their income.
Hiten Patel
One key thing is when you do look to buy a product, what we tend to do is we tend to research quite a lot. Now if the product, if we've got more disposable income, we'll tend to buy something very quickly and not think about it twice. In today's market condition, you want to buy something that's packing a bit more punch for the money that you're spending. What AI does is it goes away, researches and sees what people are talking about in terms of the products you're looking to buy. It gives you some input and recommendations based on user generated content out there. So kind of produces more confidence levels in the Gen Zs to look, look ahead and purchase a product. But not only that, they're also able to find the best prices online. So it's kind of a combination that really attracts the younger audience where disposable income is low.
Megan Lawton
The idea of buying things that feel useful or long lasting taps not only into what I heard from shoppers at the Christmas market, but a wider trend online. Welcome back to my De Influencing series where I encourage you to buy less things for the sake of the planet. I only have one necklace. My mom bought it 20 years ago.
Doug Stephens
I don't need to buy another necklace.
Megan Lawton
In case the world made you forget.
Hiten Patel
Using a phone until it's actually broken and wrecked is normal.
Megan Lawton
Driving a car, the same car for.
Hiten Patel
Over a decade is normal.
Megan Lawton
The Rise of De Influencing Culture scroll through this side of TikTok, Instagram or YouTube and you'll likely come across content about buying less and ignoring adverts that insist you need the latest fashion release, like this one from Diana Webe. Let me ask you something, did you want this before you knew it existed? She has over 200,000 followers and gets tens of thousands of views on her content. So my TikTok primarily focuses on de influencing over consumption. There are tons of influencers and there's also companies kind of behind those influencers who are trying to sell you a product. And I think a lot of times they're very overhyped and you don't in fact need to buy them or run out and buy them as an influencer might say. The rise of de influencers doesn't mean influencers have lost relevance. Data From Deloitte suggests 3/4 of gen Zs are turning to influencers to help buy their Christmas presents. This trend is more demonstrative of a mindful approach to spending. One of the trends that I see right now is people wanting to purchase more with intentionality and I do see that happening with different people creating content and kind of showing what they're doing. Gifts they're giving this year too. And I think there's also this kind of reinvigorating of doing creative projects as well, which I really love to see. Welcome back to episode two of Crocheting Gifts for Christmas. In this episode I'm going to be crocheting a bow garland. So you know if you have a talent. I love it when I get a video like that on my for you page and I think that's more meaningful to the person receiving the gift too. On the topic of spending, lots of you have been getting in contact via the World Service social media pages. Hello Business Daily.
Doug Stephens
My name is Jamie and I live in Calawag, Philippines. My main spending priorities during festivals or the holidays is food.
Megan Lawton
I like to keep myself well fed.
Doug Stephens
First before I think of anything else to get. If it's not groceries, I may get electronics or clothes.
Megan Lawton
Hello, this is Florence Dempsey.
Doug Stephens
I live in Yonkers, New York.
Megan Lawton
I do enjoy holiday shopping at the Christmas season.
Doug Stephens
I have a small family so I buy gifts for family members that I'm.
Megan Lawton
Going to see on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. I also buy gifts for a small circle of close friends and since I don't have that many people to buy for, I can spend a little bit.
Hiten Patel
More money on each one.
Doug Stephens
Thank you so much for your program.
Megan Lawton
I enjoy it very much.
Doug Stephens
Bye bye.
Megan Lawton
Thank you to Florence and all of my guests. You've been listening to Business Daily on the BBC World Service with me, Megan Lawton. This episode was produced by Sam Grouet. You can find more episodes wherever you get your BBC podcasts. I love ravioli.
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Host: Megan Lawton
Date: December 22, 2025
This episode explores how Christmas spending habits are shifting in Canada, the US, and beyond during an era of economic uncertainty, rising inflation, and new technology. Reporter Megan Lawton visits the festive Winter Village market in Toronto’s Distillery District to interview shoppers, shopkeepers, retail experts, and marketers. The discussion examines not only how much people are spending—but also how people are prioritizing value, meaningfulness, sustainability, and experience. The episode also digs into the growing influence of artificial intelligence and “de-influencing” on holiday shopping choices, with particular attention to the behaviors of younger generations.
“I think gifts that are meaningful...Experiences. More experiences.”
— Monique, Toronto market shopper (03:31)
“Even the prices for food has gone up a lot over here and all the little stuff, that's where you notice it the most.”
— Mike, Toronto market shopper (05:14)
“The trend that we have seen over the last couple of decades is that consumers are more inclined to spend on experiences than products.”
— Doug Stephens, Retail Profit (09:20)
“We are literally cutting new generations out of the economic equation.”
— Doug Stephens (12:22)
“What AI does is it goes away, researches and sees what people are talking about in terms of the products you’re looking to buy. …They’re also able to find the best prices online.”
— Hiten Patel, Push (15:58)
“Welcome back to my De Influencing series where I encourage you to buy less things for the sake of the planet.”
— Social media de-influencer featured (16:39)
“Let me ask you something: did you want this before you knew it existed?”
— Diana Webe, de-influencer (17:10)
This episode highlights a clear trend: in 2025, holiday spending is defined by caution, consciousness, and creativity. People are spending less, seeking greater value, emphasizing experience and practicality, and turning to technology like AI to maximize budgets. Generational divides and economic uncertainty are changing traditions, while online movements encourage both intentionality and sustainability. The Christmas spirit persists—but what people buy, and how they decide, is rapidly evolving.