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Alex Cooper Presents: A Grammy Special (ft. Rosé)
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In this Grammy’s special, Alex travels to Korea to experience life in Seoul through Rosé’s eyes. Rosé shows Alex all her favorite spots in the city and opens up about finding her identity, healing from toxic relationships, being nominated for her first ever Grammy, navigating intense media scrutiny, and coming back to Blackpink after a transformative year solo. Enjoy!
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Hi, everyone. Blackpink is being called the biggest pop.
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Band in the world. Billions. With a B of views. Blackpink arrived with such force.
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Blackpink's rose teases her solo project. Can we do that one more time? That was fun.
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Huge success as a solo act. First Korean female act.
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B
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you.
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Rose and Bruno Mars. Apc.
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B
Thank you so much. This means so much. Me. The final list of nominees for these annual Grammy awards for song of the year.
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A
Welcome to a special edition of Call Her Daddy. We are going to do things just a little bit differently. Today I came to Seoul to interview someone very special. Immerse myself in her culture and maybe have a little fun along the way. So if you're ready, let's get into it. What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding fob alex cooper with call her daddy.
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B
Alex cooper, welcome to korea. Rose.
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B
She's moving.
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A
Oh, my God. Hi. Oh, my God. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.
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B
Thank you. Oh, my gosh. I look. It feels like I'm watching a screen. I know.
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A
I feel like I've been watching you for hours prepping for this. And to see you in person, I'm like, oh, my God, it's you. We're here.
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B
Yeah. This is crazy.
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A
Okay. This is my first time ever in Korea.
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B
Yay.
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A
I feel so honored that I get to spend this time with you. So should we get going?
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B
Oh, please. Wait, when did you arrive?
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A
Like 10 hours ago.
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B
Oh, my gosh. We need you. Coffee.
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A
Let's go get coffee. Let's go, let's go. Can you even go to a coffee shop? Because we have this entire place shut down.
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B
Shut down.
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A
Shut down for you. Like, can you go normal places?
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B
If I, like, cover up properly, it's usually the hair. I have a cap on. And then I look like a murderer, basically. And everyone's like. And I'm just like this dark thing Walking around. But if I can just cover it up, then I can.
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A
I mean, you are sitting in front of me. You're a global superstar. But I do kind of want to go back before all of this. YG Entertainment was holding auditions, and your dad encouraged you to try out. Can you talk to me about what that process was like? A little bit.
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B
I think me growing up, like, even culturally, my parents, it wasn't like, it wasn't a normal thing to, like, send me off to, like, something like that or, like, classes or anything like that. And so I would always just sing at home, just, like, on the piano. And it was, like, never taken lessons before, so it was very, like, organic and stuff. But for him to be like, do you want to take an audition? I was like, like, what me? Like, what do you mean? I'm like, I don't have any. I don't. I'm not a great singer, am I? I was like, am I, Dad?
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A
No, you're like, wait, tell me again, dad, should I do this?
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B
Yeah.
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A
But then, Rosie, you go and you audition and you come in first out of three thousands of people. Were you nervous going into the audition, or were you like, I've got this?
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B
No, I was, like, laughing because I. When I was, like, in the line, all these girls were, like, playing me. They're like, hi. I wrote this song. And they. I'm like, wow. And they'd play incredible. Just, oh, they were really good, in my opinion. And I was like, oh, my God, this is terrible. And I walk in being like, well, I'm just going to have to consider it a good experience and just have fun.
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A
What do you think YG saw in you?
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B
No, I have no idea. Maybe they could imagine because I remember they were planning on making this group that eventually turned into Blackpink, and maybe I fit that category or. Oh, I. Maybe. I think, like, since I was from Australia, I feel like that was probably something different and, like, I was from, like, a different area. It wasn't even from the US and back then, there weren't many foreign people in these Korean groups.
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A
And then you get the call and you obviously get accepted. You grew up in Australia, but trainees have to live full time in Korea to do this program. How did you feel when you found out that at 15 years old, you were going to have to move to a new country alone? Like, were you scared?
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B
Um, no, I was just excited. I was like, oh, my God, this is so exciting. This is, like, so dramatic. I'm like, leaving. I'm like, bye, everyone. Like, where are you going? I'm like, I don't know how to explain it.
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A
You're like, I'll see you guys later. Yeah.
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B
Felt so special. And then. And then it all just kind of was like. And then reality kicked in.
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A
Was there a moment you can remember where it really sunk in? Like, oh, my God, this is happening. And I'm completely alone. Like, my family's gone. I'm 15 years old. Here we go.
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B
I think it was, like, as soon as they dropped me off, so we got to the building, and they were really nice and accommodating to, like, my whole family. And they showed us around, like, this is a recording studio. This will be like, da, da, da. And then we go to the basement where the rehearsal space was. And then they introduced me to the girls, and. And I was, like, so shy, and I'm like, oh, my God, this is so fun, but, like, exciting and scary and. Yeah. And then they. And then I said hi. And then I remember I looked, turned to my parents, and they were outside the room. They're like, all right, we're leaving now. And I remember being like, wait, where are you going? And they're like, you have to stay here. And now, like, practice with the girls. And I remember being like, like, oh. And they were all watching me, so I didn't have time to process it. And then I remember they, like, okay. And then they just give me, like, a rough hug. And then the door closes. And I remember. So they were all looking at me, and then I rushed to the corner. So the door is at the corner. So the. The door closes. And then I put my nose, like, on the corner, and then I just start sobbing. And then the girls all came around and, like, hugged me. But I was so scared.
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A
Like, of course, at 15 years old, like, I think the. The most I could equate it for people in America would be if you went to boarding school as a kid, right. And you get sent away for high school and you go on this excursion for a couple years. What do you think was one of the scariest things back then that you had to, like, do alone for the first time without your parents once you got into the program?
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B
I think just. Just honestly, like, understanding the culture and then realizing hierarchy and, like. And having to, like, put yourself somewhere amongst all these people when I don't have any social skills yet. I think that's quite scary. It is. I had. I guess, had to do that quite early on and to start navigating. Okay, who are. Who's. Who are the people here that are going to protect me and are they going to protect me or is that just going to be me? And I think that's just a question that obviously potentially doesn't naturally come to a 15 year old. And just the contrast of having like full family growing up to like none in a day.
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A
You're on your own.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Do you remember a moment that you were like, oh, I thought I could trust this person and that didn't work out so well.
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B
I think like I had trust for like everyone growing up because I mean I grew up in Australia and like everyone's just. You have your parents as well and you're just in like school and it's protected environments and parents would take me to church and again, protected environments. And my parents know everyone that's going to take care of me whenever, whenever they drop you off anywhere. But I think slowly realized with that when, when you're, when you're taken away from your parents, I think as a child you just instantly realize that, oh, like, I can't trust anyone until like you grow up as an adult yourself and then you, you know how to protect yourself. That's when you can start, you know, choosing who you can trust. But I think at that time I feel like I probably realized like, for now I can't trust anyone.
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A
The training process was so intense and I think there's a lot of people that maybe aren't familiar with it. And it's essentially this 247 boot camp where you are training, you are doing singing, dancing, language skills, pr, stage presence. Once you got fully immersed in it and you started taking these classes, like, what do you think was the biggest shock to you of all of the training that you were going through?
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B
Well, I guess, but I went at such a young age that I didn't understand the concept of rest. And now that I'm an adult now I realize and then what freedom might mean. Because in the past, like I was just a child and so like they told me, I'm like, okay. And then now I think about it to kind of do something like every single day, like with no time off, like, I don't remember from 16 to 20, I don't remember what like hanging out or just relaxing was. I mean, I didn't have any other friends other than the girls that I trained with as well. 11am to 2am was our training hours. And then I think it was a bit shocking that we all had to just stay in this big dance studio and this extra small studio and just share it. All together. So we'd all have earphones and, like, iPads and just sit around and find places to, like, have privacy.
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A
Right. So you kind of knew or you didn't have privacy.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. Oh. And so, like, the only time I noticed that I was alone was when I was in the shower. So I would wake up earlier than anyone just so that I can have 34 minutes in the shower. I remember I'd just cry in the. Cause I never wanted to show anyone my tears. I don't want to look weak. And so, like, I'd. I remember I'd, like, cry in the shower, and then I'd be like. And I walk out and be like, I'm back.
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A
What were you crying about?
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B
I mean, being away from home and just. I guess. Yeah. And I was just, like, also going through being a teenager and everything. And so I think I remember doing that and just realizing there's no privacy whatsoever. We even shared a big. Like, the living room was a wardrobe because we didn't have enough space for everybody's clothes because it was the tiniest apartment back then, and so we would. The whole living room was just clothes.
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A
After your debut, you guys all shot to insane levels of global fame overnight. You said in an interview that freedom for you is being anonymous. What did you mean by that?
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B
Yeah, I think I still feel that way. Freedom is like. I mean, the feeling of the opposite of the word kind of feels like because I'm not anonymous, I guess a lot more people than before recognize me, and so it does kind of stop me from having some experiences. And so I feel like if I were to be anonymous for a day, then I would feel free to do so many fun things.
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A
What do you think you would do if you could. All the attention, the noise is turned off. No one knows who you are. You're allowed to go anywhere in the world. What would you do?
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B
I would go to, like, the busiest place on earth and just, like, walk.
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A
Down and just like, where? New York, Seoul?
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B
Yep. New York, Seoul, or, like, any, like, theme park and just walk on the streets. And then, like, I don't know. Just, like. Just. That's what I. Yeah. So, like, I still go, but, like, I, like, you know, kind of have to, like, hide. But I'd be. I'd look cute. First of all, I'd dress cute.
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A
No, like, scarf around your face.
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B
None of that. I dress really cute. And I would go with friends or. This is, like, the funniest thing. It's been my. I don't know if I should Say it. But, like, my dream for a long time is, like, I don't. Like, I've always, like, from, like, when I was like, I think a teenager dreamed of going to a theme park with a boyfriend.
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A
Rosie, no.
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B
You know how, like, we kind of shade the people who are, like, in love and lie? You know how we kind of, like, ugh. But I've always wanted to try that.
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A
Like, I want to do those cute cringe things, like, hold hands on, like.
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B
And be annoying and have people be like, oh, my God. And be like, well.
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A
And, like, take cute pictures and, like, have no one watching you. But, like, have a moment where you could just be cute and corny and cheesy and not have to think about anyone taking pictures. If anything, you're the only two taking pictures. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And we're like, wow. I know. And how crazy. It's like the world would do anything to see you actually do that. Because they're like, who is it? Who is she with?
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B
No.
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A
Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Maybe we. You know what? Someone needs to get that for you for, like, a holiday. Like, shut down the theme park, let you go with a boy and go and enjoy yourself. Kiss on the Ferris wheel.
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B
I'd go home and I'd, like, write in my journal. Today I finally.
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A
Dear diary. Dear diary, Today I went on the tilt to whirl and we held hands.
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B
And kiss and kiss.
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A
I'm happy. I'm free.
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B
I'm free.
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A
Oh, my God, that's adorable.
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B
It's really dumb, but it's not dumb.
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A
I think you can dream about those little things because you're also still a girl at heart and you're still normal to yourself. Right? There's so much you just said that. I want to unpack, but I think we should do it over some food. What do you think?
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B
Oh, please. I've actually been really hungry this whole time.
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A
Right. I feel like I have the best tour guide today. I'm like, take me to get some food, Rosie.
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B
Oh, my God. There are so many things I can think of right now, and I'm really excited.
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A
We made it. We're here. Tell me how you picked this place.
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B
Well, I was, like, thinking, where could I take Alex? So traditionally there are, like, way more, but I think a lot has kind of disappeared. But usually outside there's like a tent and they're called Pojang Matcha. And this is the kitchen of it, obviously. So we're not in the tent. But then people used to, like, on the streets, there'd be tents and if you go inside, it's, like, really warm inside and, like, plastic tables, just very, like, cheap, like, furniture and stuff. And a lot of people just, you know, on their way to back from work or they would, you know, stop by for, like, a drink and some really good Korean food. And I think it's like a really traditional thing. And I haven't actually been to one in a while, and I thought it'd be, like, a fun experience to kind of come with you.
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A
So I am honored. I also was thinking, I'm so happy that I'm able to bring you somewhere that obviously you couldn't go normally every day. And yes, we shut this place down, but I also wouldn't have found this myself. So we're both here and we usually wouldn't be able to come here because I wouldn't have found it. And you can't because you're too famous. So let's cheers to that.
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B
Let's cheers to that.
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A
Okay, what are we drinking?
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B
I think at a place like this, I have to do the somic, and it's just beer with a shot of soju. Here, I'm gonna show off my skills. I just learned this skill, so I hope this is gonna be great. I literally learnt it, like, last week from my friends. So this is what I did. Let me. They just get two surgery glasses and measure it like that. And then usually it's like, best if you kind of.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
I am your bartender, basically.
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A
And you mix this with the beer. Is this kind of traditional? Like, everyone drinks this?
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B
Yes. I'm asking the cameraman.
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A
Wait, what are you. What are you asking him?
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B
I'm asking him if he thinks this is a good ratio. Okay, I'll have this one. This one looks good.
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A
Okay, what makes one look good and one lot not look good?
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B
I think I did a bit more here. And then I think that's just what they do. I didn't put my mouth on that. So there you go.
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A
So you don't stir it, you just hit it.
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B
I mean, apparently, I think that works.
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A
Okay, there we go.
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B
And then cheers.
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A
Cheers.
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B
After you start drinking this. I've tried just beer on its own, and it's a bit, like, boring.
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A
So do you drink this usually if you're going out for a night out in Korea?
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B
Yes.
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A
Okay, and what else are you drinking if you're not in Korea? Are you a tequila girl?
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B
Oh, I'm a vodka girl. Tequila tastes like vomit from the worst nights of my life. So I just. I cannot.
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A
Okay, but you've drank it on the worst nights of your life.
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B
As in the best and then worst endings of my life. So fair.
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A
You have to keep it for, like, special occasions. Okay, we're about to eat a lot of food.
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B
A lot, a lot.
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A
Oh, my God. Thank you so much.
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B
It says Ken Amani, which is like an omelette, basically. That looks delicious with vegetables in it. This is kimchi stew. This is going to keep us warm.
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A
Guys, it's freezing in Korea right now. We're not just being, like, bougie with our jackets on. We're actually cold.
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B
Wow. Oh, my God. Wait, wait, wait. This is, like, one of my favorites.
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A
What is this?
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B
It's just dried squid. And then this is a really good sauce.
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A
We'll let this cool off. Let's just start with culture. You left Australia, you moved to Korea. You've talked about how it was a culture. Like, you were one of the only Koreans when you were at school in Australia. Then you come to Korea, and it's like, are you Korean enough?
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B
Yeah, no, that's a really good question. Like, I think I always grew up feeling like I definitely look different from everyone in my class, and that was fine, but just somewhat felt like a bit different. And my culture at home was different because my parents were both from Korea. And I think moving to Korea, I was very excited. And I instantly thought that, you know, everyone there will be like me, and obviously, I haven't grown up here. There was so much to learn from. And I think just, like, in terms of how people are, you know, like, when certain people meet for the first time, like, manners are different. And in an elevator, like, how your manners would be in an elevator to, like, buying things over just a counter. And, like, in all of that, it's like, everyone has such different mannerisms. And just, like, learning from, like, about all of that was much more difficult than I thought. And yes, they came. The thing or the question of am I Korean enough? And I definitely have felt a little bit like, because I'm just purely half, like, when I went to school, half very, like, Australian cultured. And then I'm also, like, not. And then coming here, it was just like, my whole life has been a bit. And I'm sure a lot of people share the same feeling of just trying to figure out where I belong. But lately, because I've been traveling, like, a lot. I've been traveling to, like, London, to, like, New York, to la, back to Korea. And then, like, for tour, we go to, like, Asia, like, Thailand, and all these in Japan, and And because I'm traveling a lot, I think more and more I do that. I feel like I just belong to myself and whatever culture I am, it's just a mixture of a bunch of things. And I think late 20s now, I feel much more comfortable, and that's why I love traveling. And I feel like I relate to a lot of people. And, yes, I do feel a bit alienated from certain crowds, but I think there's a beauty in that. And there was a time where it hurt a bit, like when you're much younger. But, like, you know, that's why I'm really grateful for my job as well, because it, you know, it gives me that. It exposes you to all these different cultures. Yes.
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A
And I think what's so beautiful, which is a good message for anyone listening, is like, you at first are just trying to fit in, and you're trying to be like, I'm like, this person or this person. What makes you so beautiful is that you are unique and you have these different backgrounds that make you who you are, that made you stand out when you did that audition and YG saw you and thought, oh, this girl should come. Right? Like, there's something about it that's also so beautiful that you bring these different elements into your life that you have to look at it as a positive.
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B
Okay, let's eat, shall we?
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A
What is this called?
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B
This is just. Which is squid.
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A
Okay.
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B
And this is. Which is like, basically saying, like, chili pepper and mayonnaise.
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A
So we just break it off.
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B
I would usually grab it and then rip it. I didn't wash my hands, so I just asked her to rip it for us.
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A
Okay.
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B
And then that's just omelette, so you can try that. It's with ketchup, so. Good old ketchup.
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A
I'm going for the omelette, guys. This is my heaven.
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B
How is the omelette?
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A
It's so yummy. What is this?
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B
Okay, this is pork. That with the. Okay, this. Oh, my. I'm going to teach you. So get a piece of lettuce. It's like a big one is fine, too. Yes. You grab a piece. You grab a bit of sauce like that.
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A
Whoa. What? I'm just really excited.
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B
I need to come back here again. It's so funny. I eat the same things every day, and I still get excited.
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A
Whenever you come to la, I'm going to take you to my favorite spot.
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B
Please.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
I love that.
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A
I realized that I haven't acknowledged I started this episode and I referred to you as Rose.
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B
Oh, yes.
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A
And then now I'm calling you Rosie.
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B
Something happened.
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A
Something happened. Because I think a lot of people are familiar with, you know, pop stars have these alter egos on stage, and then they're also a little bit potentially different behind the scenes. Can you talk about what the difference is between those two Personas?
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B
I think, you know, like, I started off as. My whole career started as blackpink. And I feel like it was so much fun creating this character on stage because I'm just from, like, Australia, like, in my bedroom. But, like, it was so much fun creating this, like, pop star, like, character. It was so much fun.
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A
And.
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B
And then I think creating my first solo album, it was my discovery of, like, you know, who am I? And, like, when I was naming the album, I really thought a lot about it. There was, like, options, like, you know, number one girl. And then a lot of people did, like, was like, what about Rosie? And at first I was like, it seems a bit, like, narcissistic. Sorry that I'm like, I'm not sure.
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A
Right.
- [27:40]
B
And then it slowly grew on me. And then, you know, just the idea of it being rosy because has been such a big part of my life. And that's what we present ourselves as. Blackpink. Blackpink. And I felt like this was very opposite. And so I noticed that it was closer to kind of introducing a different version of me because it combined all the stories I would talk about with my friends and family. And they call me Rosie at home and of course, the online name that the company had made for me from at the beginning of blackpink. I remember when it happened, it was like the day before they released my picture, profile picture, they were like. And, like, the name got announced and.
- [28:30]
A
Did you get to pick that or did they come up with it?
- [28:32]
B
They actually came up with it and I freaked out. It was like. I think it was like eight hours before it came out. And I was like. I was like, what?
- [28:41]
A
I mean, it's a great name, but.
- [28:43]
B
Like, I love it now. At the time, I was like, what is. I'm like. At first I was like, I sound like a grandma at the beginning until it, like, has settled.
- [28:54]
A
Did you know that you were going to have a different name presented or did you think you were going to be presented as Rosie?
- [29:01]
B
I don't know. I don't think I really thought about that. And everyone called me Rosie. And I guess back then I had, like, no clue about, like, I'd never questioned, what's my name gonna be? Even I Never even questioned that. And then they were like, hear me out, Rosie. And then they, like typed it on the computer and they're like, look, it's gonna look so cool. And then I saw it on screen and that's when I was like, okay, it looks nice, you know? Yeah. And so.
- [29:31]
A
Perfect timing. Okay, wait, we still haven't tried your favorite thing.
- [29:35]
B
That one might be a bit interesting. We'll see if you like it.
- [29:39]
A
What do you mean by that, Rosie? What are you trying to say? Should I go for it?
- [29:45]
B
So it's dry squid.
- [29:47]
A
Okay.
- [29:48]
B
And then I usually just dip it in the green one. It's a bit spicy. So you have. Okay. I don't know how good you are with spicy. I'm not sure.
- [29:56]
A
I think I'm pretty good.
- [29:58]
B
Okay, I say that again. Wait, take that big chunk off. Yeah, that might be better.
- [30:02]
A
I feel like I'm not trying to kill you on our first hangout. Okay.
- [30:10]
B
It's really hard. You have to chew on it.
- [30:14]
A
Chew on it. Chew it or rip it?
- [30:16]
B
Chew on it. Just take your time.
- [30:17]
A
Okay. Okay. You're like, what? I wasn't ready for that.
- [30:25]
B
It's just. It's not that crazy. But it goes really well with beer. You're like, what?
- [30:35]
A
This is why I was so excited for this, though, because I would never have ordered this myself because I would have been like, what is that? I don't even know what to do with that. And the fact that I now have enough information that I can go to my friends and be like this with beer is amazing. Oh, that's really interesting. I've never tasted anything like it.
- [30:55]
B
I think if somebody introduced that to me, like, after I grew up, I'd be like, what? But my parents would, like, every time we watch TV together, my mom would, like, get one and then like, you know, kind of grill it over the stove and bring it nice and warm. And then it'd just be like, so good.
- [31:11]
A
I want to talk to you about how we don't obviously have this in America, but you are literally referred to as an idol. Right. And the pressures that initially come with that. Culturally, when you come to Korea and you become a K pop star, like, how has that impacted your self esteem?
- [31:31]
B
I think from a young age, it's just kind of like trained my brain to dream, like, big. And I think, which is crazy, this is kind of almost happening now is that, like, I always kind of thought, like, I really want to, like, be as big as, like, I don't know, like Beyonce. And I loved her and like, Michael Jackson, and I thought, like, I'm gonna be big. And then, I guess over the years, I think reality kind of hit. Now, looking back, I think it means way more to me than I thought it does. And myself and many other girls and kids around the world who are now seeing a bit of a difference in culture. And I think it does excite me, and it scares me a little bit, to be honest. But ultimately, I think it'll just make me really happy if any girl in, like, high school now just feels like they can go to school and talk about Korean food that they like or anything different or type of music they like. So whatever that music is, even if it's not, like, the cool thing at school where everybody likes it, even if it's a bit different, then everyone accepts, oh, there are people who like different things, and we're all from the same world, and we're all now connected, you know, with this era of media and technology. I'm grateful to be a part of it, but I think now I'm just like, you know, it's a bit like I'm so flabbergasted.
- [33:11]
A
Well, it's cool, too, because what you're essentially saying is you didn't have fully someone of representation that you could look up to as a kid that was diverse in the way of where they came from and what they did and what they were doing and what they wanted, and they weren't vocal about it because maybe there wasn't a platformer. There wasn't someone who existed. You're now the girl that you wished you could have looked up to as a young child, I think. So how cool that you're providing that for young women now. Even if you're different, even if you don't have the same story of the people that you see online, then create your own story and share your own story. And how beautiful is that?
- [33:54]
B
Yeah. And I was just thinking, as you were speaking, like, even vice versa, even coming to Korea, I think there was a moment where I was like, oh, I wish I was just. I wish I went to school here. And I wish I, like, knew the same jokes as all the other girls. And I wish I was as cool as, like, the girls who went to school here in Korea, because I was just like, I'm like a foreign. I kind of seem like a foreigner. Like, my accent is a little different, and the way I say things isn't as cool as the other girls here. So vice versa. I think there was even a period that while I was here, Too. Like, I wished, like, I was part of, like, the majority. And so I think it just obviously proves to show that, like, anyone around the world can feel a bit isolated and a bit alienated. But it's amazing to see so many people, like, just being given the same platform and given the same flowers that as anyone else has who has achieved something or has done something amazing or has worked really hard on something. And I get nervous thinking about it, and I don't know why. I feel like I just. Everything's happening so quick.
- [34:55]
A
Yeah.
- [34:55]
B
But why, like, you feel like you.
- [34:57]
A
Don'T have time to digest it and, like, kind of sit back, understand the.
- [35:01]
B
Meaning, like, what that means to me, I think I always kind of thought it was very simple, like, if I get up on stage and even the VMAs, you know, and just. I thought it'd be very simple and, like, straightforward. But I feel like maybe because I, you know, a lot of different things, like, it's complicated. Yeah. Who do I want to be for the people that I want to inspire? And what does it mean to me, first of all, like, navigating all of that, but just this whole thing has just been really, really incredible to watch.
- [35:29]
A
I also think that. And that's so relatable for a lot of young women and older women is, like, feel like we're always lost in and torn between feeling comfortable in our own skin, feeling like an other in a room, like you said, feeling like you wished you could relate to those girls, but now that's actually your superpower that you had this advantage. But at the time when you feel like the other, there's nothing worse than that. But then when you look back and you have the perspective of how that made you special and unique, you wish someone would tell you that in the moment. So I think sometimes we're trying to come to the conclusion of anyone watching and listening of, like, why do I feel alienated and why do I feel alone and how do I make sense of this? And it's like, sometimes you really just have to live through it and not try to overcomplicate it and just let yourself be in your emotions. And a lot of times, it just has to be perspective, lived experience. Right.
- [36:25]
B
I agree.
- [36:25]
A
But we all are so understandably insecure, and we want to fit in because that's.
- [36:31]
B
We're human.
- [36:31]
A
Yeah, we're human.
- [36:32]
B
We just want to feel normal.
- [36:34]
A
And here we are from such different cultures and such different backgrounds. And I feel like already being in Korea, I was so excited to immerse myself in this culture and learn about you. And I feel like there's so many similarities that I find between us as.
- [36:47]
B
Human beings and to feel like home wherever you are, just as long as people connect like that, I think it's. It's like. It's really magical, and I feel really grateful.
- [36:55]
A
I wanted to thank you for inviting me to your show this weekend.
- [37:00]
B
Oh, yes.
- [37:01]
A
Yes. To anyone who doesn't know, Rosie has a blackpink concert this weekend, which I'm gonna be going to. And so I thought it would be fun for us to maybe head to your recording studio and talk a little bit more about the magic behind how this album came to be. So I think we finish eating and then we. And then we get into it.
- [37:24]
B
Sounds good.
- [37:24]
A
Okay.
- [37:25]
B
Yay.
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A
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B
I just need to not think personally. Personally, last album I realized that it was so much more free flowing in the studio when I was just myself fully. I feel like everybody has stories to tell on like a day to day basis. And like usually you would maybe talk to your therapist about it, or you talk to your boyfriend about it, or you talk to your best friend about it, but I'd kind of save that. And anytime I felt something, felt like speaking my mind, I would quickly find a studio and the people that I love to work with and just pop in and I would just, just, you know, kind of let it out there just so that. Well, for the last album, so that it feels very intimate and so it feels like a journal.
- [41:14]
A
A lot of times when you write something down in the exact moment, you may not feel that way tomorrow. Right. So to be able to capture exactly how you were feeling in that moment, it's important.
- [41:25]
B
No, I agree. I actually like have thought about that recently. As in like listening back to some of these songs. I'm kind of shocked because there was obviously like a time in my life where I was. But this was a really big subject. But like now I think about it like I'm like, wait, oh yeah, yeah, no, I think I remember. But if I listen to the songs, it was such a thing and you.
- [41:49]
A
Were so affected by it and now you're kind of like, oh, that thing.
- [41:53]
B
But to imagine that these things just get lost in time. There's an unreleased song that I heard randomly. I was getting my makeup done for like something and I was like, what happened to that One song. And then I like, I searched it on my phone and I found it and I played it. And I remember I almost cried because I was like, oh, my God. I was really serious about that and I almost forgot. I was like, oh, yeah, that happened next.
- [42:19]
A
Why didn't you release the song?
- [42:21]
B
I wrote it after the album. It's more like a recent thing.
- [42:24]
A
Oh, my God. Would you ever release it?
- [42:26]
B
That one, I would love to. It is one of my favorite ones, but. And then I only realized that it was such a special song months after. I remember when I wrote it, I was like, oh, it's a bit cringe. That's what I thought in the moment. So it was obviously too vulnerable at the time. I was like, oh, I don't know. It's just too, too sweet. And I don't know, I don't like it. But then I heard it again months later when I was completely over that and I was like, oh my God.
- [42:53]
A
Right? Like, it's so sweet and honest to what you were going through.
- [42:57]
B
And I was just like, I almost forgot about that.
- [43:00]
A
Wow. Okay, we're gonna get into all of this. Late 2023, Blackpink took a break so that you and all the other women could pursue their own careers. What were those behind the scenes conversations like?
- [43:17]
B
Well, we kind of had like a time frame to kind of decide what we're going to do. And, you know, we had fans waiting to hear about how things are going to be after that long contract ended. And so I remember we were on tour then, the last tour. So there were a lot of times we were like, you know, together. We were like on flights together. And it didn't happen over like one conversation. It happened over a few and. And it evolved. And I think we allowed each other enough time to, you know, kind of really think through what we as a group and individually want. You know, we still have a few things we need to do as the as blackpink. And you know, we have to have more time to celebrate the things we've achieved. But we are also growing up right now and we haven't had enough time to be fully ourselves or explore that ever. We weren't really allowed that. And so we allowed ourselves that one year and to see all the things that all the members have accomplished. It's really fun to watch and I think it's. Yeah.
- [44:33]
A
Were you guys nervous to tell the fans?
- [44:39]
B
I don't think so, because we had the plan to be back and we're on that tour right now. The promise that we had made. I think it was such a healthy decision that we were more excited to announce that.
- [44:54]
A
Obviously there's so much speculation because I agree, like, everyone kind of knew that that was a long contract and then to re sign a contract. I think obviously so many of your fans were so excited. Understandably. I don't know how much you can share, but, like, is it longer, Is it shorter than the first one? Can you give us a. Any details?
- [45:13]
B
I don't know about length, but for sure, we learned much more.
- [45:18]
A
Yes.
- [45:19]
B
About the things we should really, like, focus on for the benefit of the whole business. And so, yes, it took much longer than the first contract. I don't even remember doing the first one. When did we even do that? We just sat down and signed your name. Yeah. Did we even read? Nope. I'm sure we did not read through anything. But I do know that there are a lot of other people, People who do sign things early on in their career without that. So, you know, now even more, we're more aware and we understand the weight of signing these things as musicians. And again, about protecting yourself, of course.
- [45:58]
A
Because it also comes with experience. Right. Like, I have signed contracts myself, and I remember when I was so young, like, you don't know what you want with your career. You don't know where you're going. And I think what's so beautiful is you guys have having this time to have your independence. You've also grown as individuals, and so you're now able to advocate for yourselves in a way that you didn't. You maybe weren't capable before.
- [46:21]
B
I agree.
- [46:22]
A
Have you guys ever talked about what would happen if one of you didn't want to continue in blackpink?
- [46:30]
B
I think we've don't remember, like, specific conversations, but no, I think. I think, yeah, if one of us feels like at that time that's not the right thing, then we're all in. We will understand. And blackpink, like any relationship, if one person is not ready for something, then it should just be respected. And I think we will always be ready to do that because blackpink is only four members, first of all. So we will not be able to neglect anyone's, you know, decision at any time in their life. And we trust that every decision made is, you know, the right decision for each person. So, yeah.
- [47:17]
A
Okay. Fans are constantly. I feel like they do this to every group, but, like, they're always speculating, obviously, of, like, what is the group's dynamic and are you guys sisters? Are you best friends? Are you just co workers, like, what's the vibe like? I want to hear from you. How would you describe your relationship with the women in blackpink today?
- [47:36]
B
I think it's all of that. I feel like we're best friends. We are sisters. We're like family. We are colleagues. What else did you say? What? Yeah, what else was on the table? It's really all of that combined. It's. I do agree that it is a very unique relationship that we have. But over time, more layers have added. Been added on to the type of relationship we have. But even more so, I think it feels more solid.
- [48:09]
A
And.
- [48:12]
B
As I've actually had that one year apart from the girls, which we were very much apart, everyone was so busy flying around the world. Like, we couldn't tell who was where. We've also created unique experiences outside of blackpink after coming after, you know, sharing all of that together and growing together, we all went out and experienced the world individually. Past that. But to come back with those experiences, there's nothing better. To feel like there's somebody that understands exactly how you might have felt or what you feel. And it is a unique experience as everyone has their own. But just knowing that even my actual family doesn't understand what I feel sometimes, or even my best friend doesn't see the world exactly how I've seen it. But there are so much in my life that blackpink understands. And so it's so nice to meet, like, the girls along the way of this whole journey and being able to talk about things and feel like I'm being heard and understood and I don't have to make it up. I don't have to explain over, like hours about why I'm feeling this type of way. And I feel like that's just going to keep going over the years.
- [49:41]
A
Did you have the girls listen to the album before it came out?
- [49:46]
B
We were so apart when that happened. I let Lisa listen to a few when I was in Korea and she was in Korea, I'm like, thank God you're here.
- [49:55]
A
What was her reaction?
- [49:57]
B
She loved 3am it was named something different back then. We were traveling so much that I. And then I met Jenny once in New York.
- [50:07]
A
Wait, what was 3:00am Called before 3:00am.
- [50:10]
B
Want it to be you.
- [50:12]
A
Okay, let's talk about the album. Obviously, the Grammys are coming up. You are Grammy nominated. How are you feeling?
- [50:19]
B
Oh, wait, that's a big question.
- [50:21]
A
I know.
- [50:23]
B
I was like, wait, you're like talking.
- [50:25]
A
About Lisa like 3:00am Then I'm like, yeah, Hi. We're Grammy nominated.
- [50:30]
B
How does it feel about.
- [50:30]
A
How are you feeling?
- [50:32]
B
It feels like I thought of this when you asked me about getting selected from YG at that open audition to fly to Korea, and I was trying to, like, and then it made me think. I think it's the same feeling as this nomination. I remember when that happened. It was like, I thought that would never happen. Like, I never thought I would ever fly to Korea and live in that city ever. Like, I always kind of dreamed of, like, oh, it'd be so fun to live in Korea. Like, I grew up in New Zealand and Australia, so, like, just living in Asia and that city is just, like, so fun and different. Thought it would never happen and. And going there to, like, you know, chase after my dreams. Like, how fun. And then again, this Grammy nomination, it feels like, oh, my gosh, I. I never thought that would be. Be possible. Like, yes, Blackpink. And we're getting so much love, and I'm so grateful for that and it's so exciting, but. But that I didn't think my. I didn't think it would be a possibility, but I feel like they're quite similar. So it's like the second chapter of my life being like, oh, my gosh.
- [51:49]
A
It'S really exciting and it's incredible what you've done. And to come out with the solo album, be Grammy nominated for these songs, like, it's. It's incredible. And you should be so proud of yourself.
- [52:01]
B
Thank you.
- [52:02]
A
I want to ask about your song, Number One Girl. In a lot of interviews, you've obviously referred to the song as disgustingly vulnerable. Talk to me a little bit more about what you meant by this.
- [52:14]
B
Well, this one was about, like, I'm sure you go to a lot of events when you're in la. There are, like, so many fun, exciting events, and you feel so lucky to be invited to. And it's, like, so glamorous and fun. But I was, like, invited to an event and it was at the very beginning of this one year, before this one year, like, started. And I went to the event and I felt like, just really like I was in a place that was supposed to feel so glamorous and exciting. I felt really like. Like I was comparing myself to everyone. I didn't know how to act. And I remember coming back home feeling really depressed and like, ugh, I don't feel very special or good. And then the next day, I remember I just, like, cried in the hotel. Then I was like, on Instagram.
- [53:06]
A
Oh, that's literally the worst combo. You're crying, and then you're like, let me open Instagram. Then you're like, yeah, that just made it worse. Yeah.
- [53:14]
B
And they're like, comments. Like, there were comments about, like, where is she going with her career? She hasn't announced this, this or that. Like, she has no idea what she's doing. And I had just started the year to, like, I'd gifted, you know. You know, with the group, we've gifted ourselves this time to be free and explore and. And really kind of just for my. For myself, I think. I don't know. I feel like I can't speak for the other girls, but for me, I think I was looking for what my passion was again and what made me really happy and driven and excited, and it hadn't even started, but that's what I saw. And I was just like, oh, my gosh, I feel terrible. I remember in the morning, I had a session that day, and I was getting ready, and I, like, I couldn't put my, like, makeup on because I was like, it was bad day. You know, we go through it once in a while.
- [54:19]
A
Of course.
- [54:19]
B
Yeah. And then I got to the studio, and they were like, what should we write about? And, like, I don't know. I've just been feeling really, really bad. Like, I feel really, really just. I feel shit, basically. And it sparked. I was like, can we write a song? That's Because I know a lot of songs can kind of have hope in it and have these hopeful feelings in it, but that's not how I felt. And I needed a song that I could relate to because a lot of the times on the, like, I. I want to be presented to my fans as, like, I'm independent. I don't need people's approval. I don't. I'm my own thing. We love to be that way, but it's. It's not really realistic. Realistic.
- [55:05]
A
That is why your fans were so receptive of this. Because, yes, it could be considered as a human being. You're like, is this embarrassing? I'm wanting this validation and I'm wanting this attention, and I think it's such a relatable feeling, but it's something that we keep really close to our chest and we're embarrassed sometimes to admit.
- [55:23]
B
I was so embarrassed of myself. That was the day I think I woke up and I was like, oh, my God, I feel so embarrassed. Like, I. I don't feel confident at all, but, like, how embarrassing. I was on Instagram all night looking at these comments, and I Felt embarrassed that I had let those emotions really affect me.
- [55:41]
A
How do you think for you personally, your desire for validation and acceptance has impacted the way that you let people treat you?
- [55:51]
B
I have let people get away with, I think a lot of things that has made me sad and, like, has made me cry. I think I let a lot of things make me really, really sad. But I. I've noticed this thing where I sometimes protect people and I don't know why. I think I. I'd like to think I have a lot of love for certain people in my life, but to a. To. To a certain extent that I want to be validated by them. And then their actions of making me actually sad or feel sad is forgiven and I turn that around and I understand them. And then I would probably blame myself. I'm still living through that. I'd like to think that's because I'm still in my 20s. And hopefully people say when you're, like, when you turn 30, then things start to make sense. I'm just hoping that kicks in soon.
- [56:52]
A
You're like, I feel like in a couple years it's really going to turn around for me. No, that's relatable. It's like, you can't. Please, please. If you're up there, please. Let's talk about a major theme that I do think relates to this, which is in your album, is toxic relationships. Right? You open up about some of the toughest moments that you've been through in your life, essentially. How was writing about these feelings healing for you?
- [57:27]
B
I think, first of all, even in therapy, I feel like the main thing the therapist kind of makes you do is acknowledge your emotions. But a lot of emotions, I feel like, is kind of looked down on. And that's a good thing because online and on media, like, where we're encouraging each other to love yourself more and accept yourself more and be confident in yourself. Like, don't be sad, be confident. Be a boss girl. Right?
- [58:04]
A
Sounds so easy.
- [58:05]
B
Yeah, sounds very easy. No, it's obviously not. And so I feel like, first of all, being just true to how I really felt. And I didn't know if it was easy because it was my first time in LA and I didn't really know anyone. I just, like, talked about anything and everything. I might be more conscious about it now, but at that time I just, like, talked about everything. Like, I would be like, oh, my gosh, I did this and I did that, and honestly, I feel this and that and it'd just be funny. I'd make fun of myself, but it was just true. And so as I did that, I was accepting my flaws and, and so funny because over time, now when I do that, I realize I do become more conscious because I want valid. I'm, you know, I have that in me too. When I talk about some, like, certain themes or like certain subjects, I do kind of go like, like, maybe I shouldn't feel that. Maybe I should act more sophisticated. Maybe I should act a bit more like I have more self respect. Because sometimes I don't.
- [59:17]
A
But I think relatable. So real. Yeah.
- [59:20]
B
And of course, a lot of the times I do, I do love and respect myself and like, you know, sometimes, like, I'm still growing up and kind of navigating the world of like, you know, wanting to be loved. Of course I have sometimes, you know, abandoned some of these things. And yes, later on I could regret it. Like a more mature version of myself, a more experienced version of myself could be like, rose, you don't need to be like that. But I feel like in the moment, like I'm still learning and growing, but then I. So like, in these songs, that's me just being. Accepting that emotion for what it is and laughing about it at the same time, but not being conscious about, of, about, of like what other people would be thinking about me.
- [60:03]
A
But I think that's why people were so receptive of this album, because I feel like you've spent the majority of your career, we saw you trying to be this perfect girl, right? And there was an image that was upheld with that. I think then your fans would assume, like, there's no way this girl has experienced heartbreak or there's no way that Rosie would get herself into a toxic relationship. Like, she's better that. And it's like, no, we've all been there. So I think it was a breath of fresh air, probably for your fans to be like, oh, my God, you too.
- [60:30]
B
I think it felt really liberating just talking about it and being reckless. Because anyone who really, like, cares for love, loves me might be like, rosie, just don't say that. People might think you're a bit like a bit of a wreck, but I kind of didn't care and I felt so liberated. The funny thing is, even after feeling that feeling so free, I think I have come out of it and I still experience the shame of, like, I do feel this, but then I, like, say it and then I go, is that person gonna think I'm like, I don't have enough self respect. I really want to, like, stop Doing that. But it's a habitual thing where I tried to keep filtering the things I say. I feel like society also kind of makes you feel that change.
- [61:16]
A
Yes. Feel bad. Like, why aren't you better? Why didn't you leave? Why did you stay for so long? I wrote down that in one of your songs, you. You talk about knowing the relationship was unhealthy from the beginning. That is so relatable. But you're like, wait. But like, it also feels good sometimes for you. What were the signs that it was toxic?
- [61:35]
B
I mean, I was young, too. It was just not a good match. But we liked each other, so we just kept it going for a bit. And, yeah, I. I think it's just like, now I know a bit better than that to identify. We might not be very happy together, maybe, but.
- [62:02]
A
But I also think, again, having grace is like, so many young women will be listening to this, and it's like the feelings of love and happiness, they bring you back. Even if there is something toxic or there is a red flag. Right. It's like, because then you move forward and you forget the red flag, because then you go to dinner, and then you're happy. You're like, girl, this is happening to me right now. Thank you. Full therapy session. What is something you know you will never put up with again?
- [62:32]
B
First of all, if they're kind of, like, not being, like, super nice to your friends or family, as in, I think they should make, like, an extra effort.
- [62:44]
A
People that are not good to your friends and family. I agree. Ladies, if you're watching this, like, please note that you're not being crazy and your friends and family aren't being crazy, because sometimes they can convince you, like, oh, you know, so it's like, no, no.
- [62:58]
B
Yeah. Like, if I've introduced this girl as my best friend, she's my best friend. You can't be like, I was busy talking to other people. She's my best friend. Put in the work. Yeah. Because I would. If I meet anyone that's, you know, my boyfriend's best friend, I'd be like, oh, my God. I want to be extra nice to that person because I care. So it's very weird if somebody's like, it just means he either thinks he's really amazing or he doesn't really respect you.
- [63:31]
A
Yeah.
- [63:31]
B
Or hasn't learned how to respect a partner.
- [63:34]
A
I agree. One of your favorite lyrics you wrote was that I wrote down from your album. Was, did letting me down get tiring? How in your life, in past relationships, have you felt Let down all the ex.
- [63:50]
B
Yeah, I don't think all of the exes. Maybe. No, Rosie, I mean, let down, let me think all of them except one.
- [64:04]
A
Really, girl, we're a work in progress. Okay. Yes, We've talked a little bit about the themes from your album and they did give a little insight into your dating life. But I recognize that you have never been in a public relationship. Why do you think for you, keeping partners completely private is the right approach for you right now?
- [64:27]
B
Um, I think a lot of it has to do to protect the person that I love. I've noticed that it hurts more if like, any of my friends are attacked or the closer the person is, if they're ever attacked, it really, really is like, hurtful. And also I am okay because I'm in the public eye and it's my job and it comes with the territories and I'm like, okay, whatever. But, you know, I think it's a bit unfair, but not saying, like, I'm against it, but like, for now with the, like, fan base that I've experienced, which I would love to in the future maybe really fully trust the media to protect me and be there for me, then I might feel comfortable. But for now, I don't know if I felt completely safe. I'm sure a lot of other people understand what that feels like and, and experiences that.
- [65:35]
A
I think that's really understandable. I'm curious, had someone, though, feel like you're hiding them, because I could see that if, like, then the partner's like, wait, are you just keeping me private because you don't want to share me with the world? Or have they been understanding?
- [65:51]
B
I think it's been like a two way thing, like both ways. I think one of the toxic ones.
- [66:02]
A
Yeah, that's like, I feel like how every conversation starts. So one of the toxic ones, actually.
- [66:06]
B
I'm like, yeah, because there are some toxic ones. Not, not toxic ones. There are some where, like, you feel where that's coming from, like the protecting, you know, element of it. And, and I believe it. But there was one. If I think about it now, I look back on it and I'm like, why were you so paranoid? Like, like what?
- [66:31]
A
Like, wait, you're not the superstar over here.
- [66:34]
B
I can like say it like that now. I'm like, I do kind of look back, be like, wait, because I was, I think I was younger then. I was more younger and like more, I guess more insecure. And I was just very like, I'm like in love, whatever. But then anytime he'd be like, oh, like even like to his friends, he would kind of be like, oh, I just, I'm just going to go like, hang out with my friends. And like, it's just, I don't want to have you there because it's like. And he'd make it seem like he's trying to like limit like talk or whatever, but I'm like, why did you need that?
- [67:16]
A
You're like, but again, that's what we're talking about, right? You're like, in hindsight, you're like, like, that doesn't make sense.
- [67:22]
B
At that time I thought he was really serious about his job. And I was like, that's hot, Rosie. I was like, like, you're so serious about it that no. And then some people are. And I really respect it because, you know, for the things that you want to do, we wanted. We don't have to have. I just, I don't feel that way either. We don't have to have our like, love life involved in it. And I respect that because I feel that a lot of the times too. But then with that guy, he was like, overly like, no, we can't do like anything. Like, we can't go anywhere. Now I think about him like, sure, we could have done. I've met people after you who are bit way more like higher profile than you. That was just like, that would do crazier, like, you know, more things with me. And I'd be like, you're not. And I remember the first time they would want to do things. I'd be like, like, you're okay with that? I was so gaslighted being like, you're okay with doing that? And they're like, why not? And I'd be like, oh, oh.
- [68:20]
A
Because I learned from this other ex that like, we couldn't do any of anything. Dude, that's so real though. When you have exes to compare to, where all of a sudden you're like, wait a second.
- [68:30]
B
Yeah. Why are you okay with it?
- [68:32]
A
That wasn't normal.
- [68:33]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [68:34]
A
But in the moment you convince yourself, here you are, Rosie, you're convincing yourself. He cares about his job so much.
- [68:38]
B
That I was like, oh my God, he cares about. He's such a. That's so hot. I was like, no.
- [68:46]
A
And now you're like, wait, I was fully getting gaslit and he was fully acting like, no, that is. But again, it's so real, it's so relatable. Like, you don't even have to be famous to be in this situation where a Girl is like, dude, I'm in high school, I'm in college, and this kid, like, won't bring me to the party. And I'm thinking it's because, like, he's protecting me. Meanwhile, it's like, babe, he. He may have a side. He may have a side, girl, that he doesn't want you knowing about or whatever it is. And then you put two and two together and you're like, yeah, okay, okay. I'm not gonna let that happen to me again.
- [69:15]
B
Yeah, I still can't tell why he. I don't know. It's weird.
- [69:21]
A
Okay, like, I'm gonna write that in my journal tonight and try to do that math equation and figure that one out soon. Okay. How have you avoided getting your picture taken with a man and paparazzi and all that?
- [69:35]
B
Oh, my gosh. You're good.
- [69:38]
A
You're good.
- [69:39]
B
I've had some crazy ones. I once was so paranoid. Wait. Oh, my God, I was so paranoid. I'm like, I can never be, like, you know, seen, ever. And, like, I ordered online from, like, it's basically like Amazon, but in Korea.
- [70:03]
A
Are you gonna tell me you got a wig?
- [70:05]
B
I got a wig. I got a black curly wig, like a short one. And then I ordered, like, I studied how, like, older people, like elderly women would dress on the street. Like, I'd be like, oh, hey, they wear that kind of a skirt and those shoes and that kind of a bag. And I would, like, study it and I would order it, and I dressed up.
- [70:29]
A
And then you would go on a date looking like an older woman.
- [70:32]
B
I would go, like, like to his house, like, because we can't go anywhere. Like, I would, like, travel that way just in case somebody. I did that once and we said.
- [70:45]
A
Then would you show up to his house and, like, rip the wig off and the granny. I go here. I'd be like, I've arrived. And he's like, can you take off your prosthetic nose and your wig and your granny panties? Like, can you get back to Rosie for a second? You fully are walking in, like, an 80 year old woman.
- [71:06]
B
Like, and so, like, for a while in my house, you know, we got rid of it now, but, like, I had, like a whole section of just grandma clothes because I. I went wild. I just said, or did, like, all cut, like, light blue, like, flowery skirt, but like, all, like, long skirts so that I could cover all my elements.
- [71:25]
A
How long did this phase of dressing up like a granny last?
- [71:27]
B
I think at least six months.
- [71:29]
A
Rosie, you were committed?
- [71:31]
B
I was so committed to keep the secret.
- [71:33]
A
Did he ever dress up like a grandpa to go to your house?
- [71:36]
B
I think he kind of did, yeah. Like, a little more grandpa ish, but not as crazy as, like, a wig. Cause I needed a wig. And then I think at one point, like, I even imitated how she would. How they would walk.
- [71:49]
A
When we stop this, I need you to show me how you are.
- [71:51]
B
Oh, and the funniest thing. I don't even know if I should say this. This is so funny. I met my grandma the other day, and I was looking at what she was wearing, and I'm like. And then I go to my mom, like, mom, is that the. And she's like, oh, my God, it is. And she's like, that's her favorite coat. She was wearing one of the ones that I would wear.
- [72:15]
A
Rosie.
- [72:16]
B
My mom's like. I go, is that the. And she's like, it is. That's her favorite coat. And I was like, I'm dying.
- [72:22]
A
Once you were over your granny phase, your mom was like, okay, Rosie, can I at least now give this to your actual grandmother so she can put this to good use?
- [72:29]
B
After I broke up with that ex, I moved on to my. Moved on to it, and I had a new one. And then she said, you're not gonna wear this anymore, are you? And then I'm like, nope, we're turning.
- [72:39]
A
Over a new leaf. I'm gonna actually show up to his house looking like my damn self. That is iconic. Oh, okay. Do you prefer to date someone in the industry or not in the industry?
- [72:55]
B
In.
- [72:57]
A
Wait, how?
- [72:58]
B
What? I'm so okay in. Only because they get it. Yeah. There was, like, a phase where, because from 16, I'm just, like, not even fully formed human being yet, going to this dorm, like, full time in that space. And everyone I meet is just related to that, to whatever I'm doing, you know, I only met teachers. I only met other girls that were training with me. I only met, like, the producers there, like, every day from that to, like, coming out as Black Pink. When I would meet, like, even, like, cousins, I would kind of feel like I don't know how to act. And most. More than that, I think I. Because I don't know what the experience. Because everyone just usually goes to school, goes to college and whatnot. Has, like, a sim. Like, somewhat of a similar, you know, experience growing up. But I would, like, meet people and be like, I don't know what you're thinking, and. And their expressions. And I was just really just.
- [74:13]
A
You didn't Trust them.
- [74:14]
B
Yeah. And I was just like inexperienced. Even like talk. Meeting new people and talking about things and I'd always feel like, like such an alien. They would talk about like all these things and I'd be like, I don't know how to relate to it. All I know is, you know what, I've done work. Yeah, right. Like three years ago I was like in a dorm and that's the only thing I know how to share. And, and also like being private and stuff, like going out and like how I always feel really conscious. Like I'd be out at a restaurant and I'd always be like, oh, I think somebody's taking a picture. And then somebody being like, I don't think they're taking a picture. But then me feeling like sensitive about that. I didn't blame them. I would blame myself. Be like, I am so paranoid that I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable. So even with that, I'd felt kind of like a bit of a distance growing up. And so partners too. I think for me to feel fully just natural and like. So if anything, that guy being like, we can't be. I'd rather relate to that being like, rather than like, why aren't we going out?
- [75:24]
A
Like, why aren't we post me on your Instagram?
- [75:26]
B
Yeah, that would freak me out even more.
- [75:28]
A
So true.
- [75:29]
B
I think I felt more, if anything, more safe in that one. I'd rather be more controlled that way because, you know, I relate to that feeling.
- [75:38]
A
So now we just need to find a non toxic guy in the industry. Yes, that's the goal.
- [75:43]
B
So easy, so easy.
- [75:45]
A
There's so many of those. Perfect.
- [75:48]
B
I'm free, like next week. So perfect.
- [75:50]
A
I'll let you know if I have anyone in mind. Are you seeing anyone right now?
- [75:55]
B
Oh my God.
- [75:56]
A
You almost just flung off the chair.
- [76:00]
B
Because I just feel like if I'm like, no, like, ugh, such a lie. You can tell. I am, I am looking for love.
- [76:09]
A
Okay, so maybe you're talking to someone.
- [76:10]
B
Do you think it's really funny how I react to these questions, Rosie?
- [76:13]
A
Is it really just physically clung onto the side of the chair? You moved your body away from the microphone, you looked at your best friend for dear life and you were like, tell me what to say. And I'm like, you know what? But I respect it because you can tell, like you've come into this industry, you were trained to, you know, be a specific way. You've worked so hard, you've been private and so I get it, like to Answer a question of like, are you seeing someone right now? You're like, wait, am I allowed to answer?
- [76:42]
B
Like, oh, my God. This is the first thing when you ask something like that. It's like, like, all the articles, all the comments, I just see it like, rolled down. And who has, like, been plotting my downfall being like, this is the comment we take to. So if anything happens, this is the interview we go back to to tie this crazy story about how addicted to. For example, like, that's all I think about. So I would love to just be like, yes or no, like, but being like, is this going to define who I am? How sad, how sad of a reality is that? That makes me sad. It makes me sad for like, a lot of the industry and, and how. Oh, my God, stop. This is gross. No, I'm only sad because it's like, oh, my gosh. No, I feel like it's just like a normal thing. Just because I was from a K pop group doesn't mean I am a different type of human being. I think we're all born with legs and arms and, you know, everyone's human. And I feel like just how certain things, like, I have to. Not because it's me, but a lot of other people too, have to, like, think about, about that and me being a girl and what that means to me. How will people try to use my comments to create something? And it's not like I'm saying the craziest thing right now.
- [78:21]
A
No.
- [78:21]
B
Am I saying like, I killed someone? No, no.
- [78:24]
A
I'm just asking if you're seeing someone. Not even if you have a boyfriend. Like, do you have someone that you're currently texting that you. Whether you have a crush on or whatever it be. I guess my question back to you, though, when you just got emotional there, which makes me sad for you too, is like, like, at what point do you think that you can find a way to almost just live for yourself and be like, you know what? Yes, I'm seeing someone right now. And if the comments come, the comments come. But you also have to live your own life. And you. Like, I think it, it puts in perspective when I sit with my grandmother, right? Or my husband's great grandmother and she. And you hear these older women especially say, like, I lived so much to please people and to be humble so I didn't come off as too much or whatever. And I just wish, like, why did I do that? We are alive once we're here once. Like, yes, it's so incredible what your career is, but like, how is. How are you? Are you fulfilled in hiding so much? Right? Like, will there be a point where maybe you're like, you know what?
- [79:32]
B
Like, that's why I feel like, like writing that album made me feel closer to that. And, oh, my God, like, a lot has actually changed after number One Girl. I'm not joking, but there were so many people online who would tell me what to do with the way I put my makeup on, the way I was dressed on stage. They would, like, harass my hair and makeup team online. See, again, those people are people I love and that work with me, and, you know, that's part of my team, and those are my best friends too. But I've felt, like, the ache where. When, you know, people on online, they know. I feel like they know what they're doing. Like, they. They're really mean to them, and that, like, affects me. And they'd be like, do this to your hair. Do that to your hair. Why are you not doing this? And that. I got closer to it because after number One Girl came out, you know, that happened. But after I explained the song, my team has not been getting comments like that anymore. And I remember it was such a big chunk of all of the girls relate to it because we would talk about the stress of that, like, weird controlling of, like, kind of like ma. Like a mom. Like one of those cheerleading. What do you call it?
- [80:52]
A
Like a cheer mom. Cheer mom.
- [80:54]
B
What do you call that?
- [80:55]
A
Yeah, like a stage mom. Stage mom who's like, do this and look like this.
- [80:58]
B
But you have, like, like thousands online. Millions, Millions being like, girl, I love what you do, but please change your D. And you're like, wait, I like.
- [81:07]
A
That little accent you just did. You went full valley girl on me. You're like, girl, you better get your together.
- [81:13]
B
Girl, I love you, but come on, those are not the shoes you want like that and. And they would, like, do that. But my team hasn't been getting any of those comments, and I haven't had any pop up. And so after the. After the album, one thing I love is that I don't. I'm not. I. I'm not conscious about if my fans will like or dislike my look today. And for such a long time of my Korean blackpink, I was so, like, you know, insecure and conscious about what my fans would say. They'd always be like, put a full red lip on. Why can't you do your makeup? And I'm like, maybe I don't feel comfortable in that. Maybe that's not fully me. Maybe that's somebody else. Maybe some amazing, like, big celebrity online does that and is looks amazing and feels amazing that way, but maybe when I do it, I don't feel amazing. So it's just like you're living a.
- [82:15]
A
Really heightened experience as a human being right now. You are figuring this out. There is no book that anyone handed you to be like, this is exactly how you get through this. Rosie, when I go back to your comment about freedom is being anonymous, what you're really just saying is freedom is people not being able to dictate if you feel comfortable to acknowledge that you're in a relationship or not or if you are having a bad day or not. But I love, though, that one thing that you learned through this album is that actually being vulnerable and honest gave insight to people and allowed them to be like, oh, I'm not gonna make that comment again. And maybe that next step for you could be allowing yourself to enjoy your romantic life and not being afraid that maybe people will come for you and that person and that who knows when that you'll be ready for that.
- [83:09]
B
Yeah.
- [83:09]
A
But maybe one day you'll be ready.
- [83:11]
B
I don't think I'm fully. That we're fully there yet because I can tell we come back to the, you know, toxic ways the media always finds its way back. But it gives me hope. It gives me hope. I really thought that me coming out of this, you know, industry where I've come from, I didn't think I'd have hope. I thought, okay, I'm forever going to live in this system where I can't fully accept the way I am because they will twist and turn it. But I see a bit of hope and I'm really, really happy about that.
- [83:46]
A
I'm really happy for you. Thank you. Okay, should we go get a drink? Please. Let's go. Cheers again. We're back. First of all, we need to talk about your song Apati. Did I say that right?
- [84:03]
B
Yes.
- [84:04]
A
What was the moment you personally knew that this song was going to be a phenomenon?
- [84:12]
B
I think I kind of. It kind of slowly, like I slowly warmed up to it because when we first created it, I went home and I listened to it like, all night till, like. Like I had it on repeat.
- [84:28]
A
Right.
- [84:28]
B
And it's quite a crazy song to have on repeat.
- [84:31]
A
Yes.
- [84:31]
B
I slept to, you know.
- [84:33]
A
You slept to it?
- [84:34]
B
Yeah.
- [84:34]
A
It just kept playing. Yeah. Oh, my God, you're a psychopath again. Again.
- [84:39]
B
Right. And then in the morning, I had my producers and songwriters deleted off of their Phones.
- [84:45]
A
Oh, I read this somewhere. Okay.
- [84:47]
B
Yeah.
- [84:47]
A
Yeah.
- [84:47]
B
And I don't. I still to this day don't quite know what it was that made me do that. I don't know if it was, like, fear of something or like, did I feel like it was big or did I feel a bit, like, scared of it? I'm not sure, but I feel like. I'm just guessing, but I feel like it might have had something to do with the fact that it's so close to my culture. And I felt like it sounded big, but I wanted it to be, like, right before people just had it on their phones and, you know, so nothing.
- [85:21]
A
Got misinterpreted or if you needed to fine tune anything, you had the ability. And it didn't just get sent out.
- [85:27]
B
Yes. Because it had a big part of my culture in it, but I'm not sure if I fully believed in it yet because it was like, as it is, it's kind of like when everyone listens to it, especially from the beginning, it's like a Korean chant and you're like, what's happening? And then, like, the song starts and then the chorus, like, we're just saying some random words. And so I wasn't sure, so I got rid of it. And then slowly I started bringing it out and playing it to people that I trusted and that I loved. And they would. They really reacted to it. It's so funny because there are so many songs that has become like. Like the main songs, you know? But every time I feel like it's something like that, I seem to hide it. And then I, like. I would play like 10 songs, and then at the end, I'd be like, oh, this is just rough. This is like, you know, we were just, like, messing around. You might not like it. And I'd play it. And that's usually, like, the songs that, like, people seem to love, which is weird.
- [86:28]
A
Okay, but do you think it's because in your heart, you know, it's so good. And then you're almost downplaying it to see if, like, do I think it's just this good?
- [86:37]
B
Okay, maybe.
- [86:38]
A
And you're, like, testing to see, like, oh, this is just little thing. And you're like, am I the only one that thinks this? And then you see the reaction. You're like, I was right. Oh, my God, I have something on my hands here.
- [86:46]
B
I need to be convinced by people instead of me hyping it up first. I think I get scared of how I feel about it. So I don't want to Hype it up. I just want to see people's, like, raw. Maybe you're right. You're literally my therapist.
- [86:59]
A
We're trying. We've been trying today. We. And can you clarify for anyone who maybe is not familiar with the Korean culture and apathet, like, what. What is this chant and what does it mean? And what is the significance?
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B
So it's just like, so when I turn 20, it's like a cultural thing where your friends who are already 20 or over 20 would, like, get you in a room and be like, today's the day you, like, you die from a hangover. And they will literally make you the craziest drink because, you know, you've just waited your whole life. I even remember the day I turned 20. Blackpink got me and Lisa, and I turned 20 the same year. As soon as the year turns, you know, like, January 1st, you're allowed to drink. So everybody, like, gets together. And we did that too. Us four were in the dorm, and they were like, get ready, girls. It was a wildest night. And then, like, that's when we, like, played the drinking games. And it literally has been a part of my, like, 20s living in Korea.
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A
Who else is on your list of dream people you could collaborate with? With anyone?
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B
Oh, my gosh.
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A
Give me, like, three.
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B
That's way too hard.
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A
Okay, two.
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B
You know what? Now I see Miley on the screen. I would die to have a collaboration with her. She is iconic, literally a legend. I love her so much.
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A
You said that you met Taylor Swift, and when you met her, you wanted to ask her some questions. What advice did she give you?
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B
I was like. So that was when I was, like, trying to look for a label and everything. But before that, I was learning about, you know, how to protect myself. What does everything mean? What is it that I need? What is. Yeah, even catered to myself. What is it that I want? And therefore, what do I need? I was navigating all that, and, you know, I was really great. I'm grateful enough to have, like, met her along the way at a party that I was invited to. And. And she was so nice, like, you know, as she is. And we were chatting, and I explained why I was, you know, out in the US and then I was like, oh, I was kind of struggling with this. And she's like, ask me anything. And she, like, you know, pulled me aside. She's like, asking anything. She was like, you know, whenever you need anything, like, ask me. And she was really, really, really helpful.
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A
When did you find out that you were Grammy nominated and what was your reaction?
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B
I remember I was in Korea. I had just gotten home and then like I brushed my teeth, was in my like PJs like fully. And then I look at the time and then I remember somebody from my team being like, oh, the nominations are coming out at 1am your time. And I don't think, because I've never really experienced this before now I know, like, to mark it in my calendar, it was kind of hard. I'm like, oh, okay. So I go back into like the text and there was a link. And so like it was 12:50am 10 minutes away, and I was like, oh. And then I just like turn the TV on and put in the link. And then I was like. And then it started and I'm like, okay. And then I get a FaceTime from like, like my team and my sister. And so. And then I'm like, okay. And then like a category comes out and I'm like, should we just group call? And we did like a group FaceTime. And then it just happened in like five minutes and it was just like, like, oh my gosh, wait, I almost missed that. But that. Did that just happen? And then it was done within, like it was done so quick. And I'm like, okay, I was going to go to sleep. So I slept, I went to my bed, I slept. And then I woke up to like, you know, tons of messages from people that, you know, were so excited. And that's when it hit me. I was like, oh, wait, this is crazy.
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A
So exciting. I'm so excited for you. I think that we sing karaoke to close out this incredible day. And then after we sing karaoke, I think we go to Tokyo and I watch you do the real thing on stage.
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B
What a crazy life. What a crazy life. Let's go to Japan.
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A
Let's just go to Japan.
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B
Foreign.
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A
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B
Yay.
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A
Cheers.
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B
Cheers.
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A
Okay, I have a gift for you. Bring them in.
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B
What?
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A
Bring them in.
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B
What?
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A
These are so extra.
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B
Oh my gosh. So extra. Oh my God. Thank you so much.
- [93:59]
A
You don't need to keep them the whole time, but I got these for you because I was like, they smell so good. You just put on a three hour performance and I just sat there screaming and cheering. I was like, I need to bring you something. You were amazing tonight. I'm gonna put these in your room.
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B
Thank you. I'm gonna her room. May I have this? Like I'll just keep it here.
- [94:16]
A
Yeah, you'll put it there. Okay. Of course, of course.
- [94:19]
B
Did you have fun?
- [94:21]
A
I had so much fun. I showed up as a fan. I was with all the people. I was looking around. I was, I was like nervous for you because now I'm like so invested in your journey. I'm like, oh my God, I hope she does perfect. I like. And then you got out there and I was like, oh, she's a full professional.
- [94:36]
B
Did you feel like a Stage mom at all.
- [94:39]
A
Me being like, rosie, hit your cue. And also you being like, your dance moves. I'm watching you. I'm like, she hit it. Yes. Boom. Boom.
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B
That's so funny.
- [94:46]
A
It was so fun seeing you up there. How did you feel?
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B
I felt really good. It's been like two months since we, like, we've been on a break, so completely forgot that, like, version of me, like, completely. So yesterday was the first show, so today was a bit better.
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A
It was wild to watch blackpink. And then it's so cool that you each have your solo moments. And when you went out for your solo moment, I was having another stage mom moment where I was like, oh, my God, like, toxic till the end.
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B
Yeah.
- [95:15]
A
I was like, literally getting emo. I, like, almost started crying. I'm like, why am I getting emotional right now? Blackpink just announced a new album.
- [95:22]
B
Oh, yes.
- [95:24]
A
Casual. What. What can you tell us about it?
- [95:27]
B
Well, so it's an album that we've all kind of obviously come back from after that, like, year of exploring and all being our individual selves. And so I think it was, like, really interesting to kind of come back and see what was created after that. And so I really like all the songs there and I love them, including Jump, which was. Is already released. And we have, like, a fun collaboration that's coming up.
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A
Oh, my God.
- [95:57]
B
And I feel like it. It's like. So I played it for, like, a bunch of my team and my friends and they all were like. Like, it feels like Jump, but it's like, so different. It just. And they just say it's. It sounds so different from anything else we've done. And I feel the same. And I feel like, like a lot of the collaboration is the reason, like, why that probably sounds that way. And I feel like it's. It's very new and visually too, I don't think we've actually used as that much like CGI before and so excited. Yeah, it's like a big, like, funky mixture of, like, all these things, but for some reason, reason, like, it works and I'm really excited for the fans to see that and. Yeah.
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A
Oh, my God, I'm so excited now. I feel like I've been on this journey with you and again to see blackpink and then you have your solo moment. Do you think you would ever tour solo?
- [96:52]
B
Oh, that's been a big subject amongst obviously, like, my fans. Like, they. They are, I mean, definitely dying for me to be on tour. And I am too, but. But I've Always just thought, like, I want to be able to create a real solid world to present to everyone. I didn't want to feel rushed because that first solo album, like I mentioned to you, the whole thing was just, like, a learning curve, and I needed that time to really learn about the album. And so I feel like to create a whole world on stage, I need more time to build on that with extra song songs as well. Because right now I only have, like, what, 12? And I feel like I don't feel ready to, like, create a whole, you know, body of work for everyone yet. But I feel like it's slowly gonna kind of come closer once I feel like my second album or, like, more music comes out. But, yeah, I just want everyone to be patient, and I just wanted to, because I feel like once I do start, I feel like I love it so much that I would want to do it for so long, so I don't want to ruin that experience.
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A
Do you love being on stage?
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B
I think I do, but I also don't love being on stage when I feel like I'm not fully. Like, it's not fully me. I see. So I understand that when it is fully me, I love it. Like, I want to repeat it. Even like yesterday, when I got. When we came back from the break, I was like. Like, I love this. Like, I can't believe this is coming to an end. This is so much fun. And I feel like for blackpink, this is, like, the most defined, like, show we've put together. So that excites me. And so, like, even for my solo thing, like, I can't wait for the day that, like, I kind of create this world that I'm obsessed with. Also that I just, like, want to be on stage all the time, because that's euphoric for everyone.
- [98:49]
A
When you look at your future a decade from now, two decades from now, what do you want for yourself in the future? What are your dreams?
- [98:59]
B
That's a big question. I've now noticed that. I feel like when I was younger, it seemed really simple, just one dream. And then once I'm there, everything will be like, I'll be so happy. I'll feel like I'm on top of the world, all of that. But I've noticed that there's just so much that goes to get to anywhere. And I've also noticed that, like, what I love changes. Like, my interests change, and what makes me happy is always kind of ever evolving. And so I feel like it'll be hard to be, like, I'd like it to be like this. But now, after everything that we've all lived through, I feel like I hope at the end of like, 10, you know, in 10 years or 20 years time, I'm just at the place I want to be, and I've found what makes me happy in that moment and that I'm peaceful. Whatever that means. What that means. Like, I'd like to be. I would love to live like Beyonce or. Or I'd like to, like, you know, become an expert at embroidery or. I don't know, whatever it is. Or I'd like to work at a hotel. And like, whatever it is, I hope I'm, like, at a place that makes me feel inspired, creative, and just peaceful.
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A
It's amazing.
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B
Yeah.
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A
To wrap us up this incredible trip. I know, I know. I'm, like, sad to say that, but we'll keep drinking after this. I think throughout this entire trip, I've felt so lucky to get to know you. I feel so inspired by you as a woman and an entertainer and as a person. But I'm curious. I know you don't do a lot of interviews. So one, how are you feeling about this whole experience with me and this conversation? Because you've opened up a lot. Like, how are you feeling? As I'm gonna leave soon, I'm festival.
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B
Very sad. I'm almost like, is there a season two of this of our K drama that we've created?
- [101:08]
A
We'll do a part two at some point.
- [101:10]
B
Yeah, I'd love that. But I feel like. So after the interviews we did in Korea, there were these moments where I even went to my team and I was like, do you think everything I said was in the moment? I felt so comfortable, and I feel like you helped me really open up and feel human and, like, safe enough to share my thoughts. But even still, I noticed once I went home, I was already asking my team, like, do you think anything like I said will kind of turn back on me again? Do you think any of the people online will use these information as bait to twist stories or whatnot? And I was already back in fear. And that's when I noticed. I remembered the conversations we had. And. And also my team listening to these conversations were like, no, remember, like the conversations that you had with her? I think it should be okay. And it's. It's a good thing what you're doing. And so, like, this whole experience I've had with you is like another learning experience. And. And yes, we'll go off and this will be online and we'll see what people say about it. But I, I think it's just a, it's like, you know, even still, I feel like I haven't opened up much and I'm hoping that the next time we meet I'll be even more comfortable. I'll feel even more safe out in the open and. Yeah, so I feel like it's just like a lot of emotions have been coming through doing this with you and it was so much fun and it was an honor. You're giving me so much confidence.
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A
You've given me confidence again. I feel like we have so much in common and maybe we came together being like, I wonder if what, what will we bond over? And what can I feel like I'm leaving, Being like, wow, I feel like I have so much to think about also, even just moving forward. For me as an interviewer, you've really been so, it's been an enlightening couple days. So I appreciate your time because I know how busy you are. I know you just got off stage after a three hour show. You've been at that stadium all day. Like, thank you for your time and.
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B
This is a treat to speak with you.
- [103:16]
A
Thank you. And I hope everyone watching this, you shouldn't have anxiety because you have said nothing other than your own feelings and your thoughts about your own life. And so anyone watching, maybe just keep in mind that this is Rosie's life. And so to comment negatively or whatever it be like, maybe think before you write anything negative because I think you've really opened up in a beautiful way and the way to continue to get more of you and you to share is for people to be receptive of your vulnerability.
- [103:46]
B
So I hope the next time we can just have fun talking about funny things because, girl, you know, the fact that we have to like go back down to it, like, it's so. It sounds very depressing.
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A
Like we really cry, right? Part two is us just having fun.
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B
Saying whatever the fuck.
- [104:02]
A
I'm actually still not over me being like, so, Rosie, are you seeing anyone? And you went like this, you flung off your chair, your best friend's in the room being like, rosie, get back out of the chair.
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B
I know she was like, but you know what?
- [104:15]
A
I think that's what's so fun is I've only interviewed a couple people in my career multiple times and I know you're going to be one of them. Oh, really? I really do. Because I feel like, I feel such, I feel like we're right, if anything, at the beginning of this chapter for you. Like, this isn't the middle or the end. Like, I really feel like this is such a beginning of you and what we're going to continue to learn about you and you're going to grow. And so I'm just honored that I got to meet you. And I will be here whenever that next album comes out, girl. And we will sit down and we will talk about the tape.
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B
We will dissect every. Oh my God. Wait, I already have like, what, five songs that like my friends, when they listen, they go like, Rosie. And I'm like, stop, stop.
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A
You can't tease me that. Okay, you'll tell me off camera.
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B
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A
Next Episode Part 2.
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B
Rosie, I'm so excited.
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A
Cheers.
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B
Cheers to that.
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A
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B
Yay.
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A
It was an honor.
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Thank you.
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