Bernie Podcast Reaction & The Mexican Ship Wreck | Camp #174

Summary

Camp Gagnon #174: Bernie Podcast Reaction & The Mexican Ship Wreck

Release Date: May 20, 2025
Host: Mark Gagnon
Guests: Joey Avery and Miles

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1. Reaction to the Mexican Ship Wreck in New York City

The episode opens with Mark Gagnon, Joey Avery, and Miles discussing a tragic incident involving a Mexican navy training ship that met with disaster in New York City. The ship, intended as a symbol of goodwill and naval prowess, lost power while maneuvering in the harbor, leading to a collision with another vessel.

• Details of the Incident:
  Joey Avery explains, "The prevailing theory is they lost power while entering the harbor and during their turnaround maneuver" ([15:30]). This unexpected power loss resulted in the ship being unable to avoid the collision, causing significant damage and loss of life.

• Human Impact:
  Miles adds, "There's poor guys. They were attempting to bring good PR but ended up causing a tragedy" ([16:36]). The conversation highlights the human cost of the accident, including individuals who were on the bridge or mast at the time of impact.

• PR and Reputation:
  The team discusses the ironic outcome where the ship, adorned with a large Mexican flag meant to showcase national pride, instead became a symbol of misfortune. Joey muses, "It's designed to bring good PR, but it has had the exact opposite effect" ([16:31]).

• Future of the Vessel:
  They speculate on the ship's future, debating whether it will be repaired or retired. Joey humorously suggests, "Probably fix it with some duct tape" ([19:26]), while Miles contemplates environmental aspects like turning the damaged ship into a reef.

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2. Air Traffic Control Outage at Newark Airport

Transitioning from maritime mishaps, the conversation shifts to aviation safety following an air traffic control outage at Newark Airport.

• Incident Overview:
  Mark reports, "Air traffic controllers were in the hallways, shaking because they didn't know planes were going to crash into each other" ([22:12]). This 90-second blackout forced the relocation of control operations to Philadelphia, exacerbating staff shortages and increasing the strain on air traffic controllers.

• Impact on Flights and Travelers:
  Joey shares his personal experience, saying, "The flight was delayed until 6:30, turned into an insane journey with no AC and constant turbulence" ([24:11]). This resulted in the cancellation of his Indianapolis show and a rushed rescheduling of performances.

• Systemic Issues:
  Miles comments on the systemic vulnerabilities, "They moved the control to Philly because they are already understaffed" ([22:57]). The hosts express concern over the robustness of air traffic systems and the psychological toll on controllers dealing with such crises.

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3. Podcast Episode with Bernie Sanders

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the hosts' recent podcast interview with Senator Bernie Sanders, reflecting on his influence and the reception of their conversation.

• Hosting Experience:
  Joey reflects, "Bernie exceeded my expectations. He's been a principled guy for the better part of 60 years" ([27:03]). The hosts praise Sanders's authentic and honest demeanor, contrasting it with their general skepticism towards politicians.

• Policy Discussions:
  They delve into Sanders's focus on wealth inequality and racial justice, with Joey noting, "Wages aren't going up, and people are struggling while America's wealth isn't being redistributed" ([31:05]). Miles adds insights into Sanders's communication style, likening it to a familial, after-dinner discussion where complex systems are demystified.

• Public Reception and Criticisms:
  While the podcast received positive feedback on platforms like YouTube, Mark mentions, "Schultz posted on Instagram and people are like, you better call this fucking hypocrite out" ([28:24]). They discuss criticisms Sanders faces, such as allegations of hypocrisy over accepting donations from pharmaceutical employees and his use of private jets.

• Comparisons with Donald Trump:
  The hosts draw parallels and contrasts between Sanders and Trump, focusing on their distinct auras and public personas. Joey states, "Trump has a more charismatic aura, while Bernie is straight to business" ([34:13]). Miles adds, "Bernie seems very straight to business, and Trump has a bizarre aura" ([34:16]).

• Impact on Political Discourse:
  Joey emphasizes the importance of such conversations, stating, "Long-form conversations with different viewpoints are good for public discourse" ([41:30]). They advocate for a more open and less policing approach to political dialogue, aligning with progressive ideals of freedom of expression.

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4. Personal Anecdotes and Additional Discussions

Beyond the main topics, the hosts share personal stories and engage in light-hearted banter:

• Travel Mishaps:
  Joey recounts an Airbnb dispute over alleged sink clogs and vomit, vehemently denying responsibility: "Neither of us puked in the Airbnb" ([09:56]).

• Stand-Up Comedy and Tours:
  They promote their upcoming stand-up specials and tours, discussing the challenges of traveling and performing under stressful conditions, such as delayed flights and combining shows.

• Parenting and Personal Growth:
  The conversation takes a reflective turn as Joey and Miles discuss parenting philosophies, the balance between personal traits and upbringing, and the complexities of raising children in modern society.

• Humorous Exchanges:
  Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in humorous exchanges, poking fun at each other's anecdotes and sharing light-hearted moments, such as dreaming about sports or navigating wedding vows.

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Notable Quotes

• Mark Gagnon:
  "Air traffic controllers were in the hallways, shaking because they didn't know planes were going to crash into each other." ([22:12])

• Joey Avery:
  "Bernie exceeded my expectations. He's been a principled guy for the better part of 60 years." ([27:03])

• Miles:
  "Bernie seems very straight to business, and Trump has a bizarre aura." ([34:16])

• Joey Avery:
  "Long-form conversations with different viewpoints are good for public discourse." ([41:30])

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Conclusion

In this episode of Camp Gagnon, Mark Gagnon, alongside guests Joey Avery and Miles, navigates a blend of serious and light-hearted topics. From reacting to the unfortunate Mexican ship wreck and discussing systemic issues in air traffic control to reflecting on their meaningful conversation with Bernie Sanders, the hosts provide insightful commentary interspersed with personal anecdotes and humor. The episode underscores the importance of open dialogue in political discourse while offering listeners relatable stories from the hosts' personal and professional lives.

Transcript

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Joey Avery]

What's up, people? And welcome back to camp. Today is May 20, 2025, in the year of our Lord. We have a lot to get into. We're talking about this Mexican boat crash here in New York City. Joe B. Biden. That guy has cancer. Rip Shout out to him. I talked to Bernie Sanders. But before we do all of that, I would like to introduce you my friend today, Joey Avery. How are you, sir?

[Miles]

I'm well. Great to be here, Mark.

[Joey Avery]

Last time I saw you, I think we were having a wonderful time in Portland, Maine.

[Miles]

Yes. Yeah, that is true. We had a little. We had a little double headliner mini tour. We went up to Maine, which it was great. We were there together because I don't think Maine is a strong fan base.

[Joey Avery]

Well, I think both of us have a small number of fans in Maine. And when we're together, both of them were like, we don't want to go. Yeah, yeah. So we alienated everybody.

[Miles]

But it was fun. We had a good time.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, we did have a great time.

[Miles]

It was interesting. Our first night, we. We had kind of a tough billing because we were in the same building and head to head with a literal circus.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had. What was the actual circus? I don't think it even had a name. It was just circus.

[Miles]

I was like, whose circus is like Barnum and Bailey? Do we have a circus leader? They were like, no, it's the circus, you idiot.

[Joey Avery]

Which is crazy how far the circus has fallen.

[Miles]

It used to be a big deal.

[Joey Avery]

It was the deal.

[Miles]

It was the thing.

[Joey Avery]

The greatest show on earth. Yeah. And P.T. barnum is one of the most fascinating characters ever of history.

[Miles]

I should have known you'd know that.

[Joey Avery]

I'm glad you brought this up. He used to do this thing where he would, like, go out on the street and he would, like, he would create like these spectacles as like, just a guy on the street, basically, like, drum up business for the circus coming to town. Like, he would, like, cause like, antics and fights and like, like stir up local communities. And he was like, just to.

[Miles]

Just to get interest in the incoming circus. So he's basically the Kanye of his time.

[Joey Avery]

Literally he might have. That is, might be the best way to describe him. He is like the Kanye of his. Let me search.

[Miles]

Like he would cause local fights and things as promo.

[Joey Avery]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Like he was out in the street. He's a dude that came up with the, with the quote, there's a sucker born every second. Yeah, like he's that guy. But he was like a proper marketing genius then. Like the OG marketing genius. So like crazy greatest show on earth was him. He invented the, the Fiji Mermaid. He like tied like a capuchin monkey to like a fish and then like smarketed as a mermaid. It's like we, we found a mermaid. He had 161 year old woman.

[Miles]

That obviously was not true. Yeah, she was just like, just grabbed an Asian lady. Yeah, yeah, she's old as fuck.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she was a 35 year old Asian woman. Look at, look at her.

[Miles]

Yeah, so he just, he knew what a lot of people who came after him know, which is that a great way to get attention is to absolutely lie and appeal to like our most base instincts. Which makes me feel like I'll never be a great marketer, which is. I don't like that.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not really particularly good at that. Like, I feel like I do a pretty good show and then I tell people, I'm like, yeah, it's not that good. Yeah, I'd rather you come.

[Miles]

Like, holy, that was amazing. I'm like, yeah, it actually was pretty good.

[Joey Avery]

If it was up to me to market my tour, it'd be the most pretty good show on earth.

[Miles]

Come on out if you want to have fun or not. It's totally fine as well. Whatever. Just let me know if you think you'll roll through or not.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Meanwhile, this guy's literally lying and is.

[Miles]

And then he calls we have a mermaid.

[Joey Avery]

And then he calls them suckers. Yeah, that's the best part.

[Miles]

You're the idiot.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, he tricks them. I want to do this as a sketch. I wanted to do like the super condescending magician.

[Miles]

That's great.

[Joey Avery]

So like you do a car trick to someone and they're like, bro, that's crazy. I'm like, yeah, you dumb ass.

[Miles]

Yeah, obviously you believe in magic, you idiot.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, you don't know how I did that, you fucking moron.

[Miles]

Top did.

[Joey Avery]

Oh man. You know who we're missing in Maine when we were there? Oh, my good friend Miles. We got Miles in the studio, the return of Miles.

[Mark Gagnon]

Hi, everybody.

[Joey Avery]

If he's now outside the tent, he's been relegated due to fan demand.

[Miles]

The. The fans can't have Miles in the tent.

[Joey Avery]

Yes. The camper said if he steps foot in the tent, we are not coming back to the show.

[Miles]

He is kind of an outdoor cat.

[Joey Avery]

Oh.

[Miles]

You know, I feel like it's like, we'll leave food out for Miles from time to time. And he does belong to us, but he will be nowhere near our couch.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. Like a beat dog. I show back up.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mark Gagnon]

I always make my way home.

[Joey Avery]

Exactly. So if you guys don't mind, if we can just get a Fuck Miles in the chat and the amount of people after each one of my shows, I want you to know, Miles, that will dap me up. Be like, dude, great show. Really enjoyed it. Also, fuck Miles. The amount. The amount of people.

[Mark Gagnon]

What do you think my DMs look like? I just had Bernie on. I'm still getting.

[Joey Avery]

Yo, fuck you, socialist pig. Miles.

[Miles]

It's got to be tough because you're opening your DM and it's like, oh, does someone want to Miles. It's like, nope, nope. Just Miles. Not. It's not a pitch. This is just what's up.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Which also let the record show. Before there was ever Miles, there was Mark. I had a shirt that I. I would wear sometimes in college that just said Mark Gagnon on the front of it.

[Miles]

Really?

[Mark Gagnon]

And I would, like, wear it. It was top to bottom. Like, from the neckline to the bottom.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. And I would just, like, wear it to parties and shit. And people just come up to me like, who is that? And I'd be like, nice to meet you.

[Miles]

You're the original. The P.T. barnum. That's an incredible. That's an incredible straight. You knew exactly what you were doing. There's a sucker born every second, and all of them want to fuck Mark.

[Joey Avery]

You trying to suck, like, here. This is. You can't. It's here. There you go. That's me.

[Miles]

Oh, my Lord. It's like. It's like. It's. It's glowing.

[Joey Avery]

Me and my friend Connor and. And Emerson.

[Miles]

That is incredible.

[Joey Avery]

We can put that on the screen for the good people at home. But. Yeah. And recently I FaceTimed my wife while she was at home with her family, holding my son, and she was wearing that shirt.

[Miles]

Really? She should just change. Amend it to say I, Mark Gagon. And now I have this baby.

[Joey Avery]

Yes. One time. Yeah.

[Miles]

Mark Agnon. One time.

[Joey Avery]

On the record. One Time. Yeah. And she was just wearing it around the house with her mother.

[Miles]

And what did her mother think about that?

[Joey Avery]

You think? She's like, you guys are just.

[Miles]

You guys are just so wacky. Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Brooklyn kids.

[Miles]

We never did this back in my day.

[Joey Avery]

Never. Alrighty. Don't skip forward, guys, because I am on the road. World's fastest ad read coming at you. I'm going to be in Buffalo, Raleigh, Poughkeepsie, Portland, Oregon, Fort Worth, Texas, Austin, Texas, Stanford, Philly, Levittown, Chandler, Arizona, San Diego. I'm also going to be adding Toronto, Montreal, as well as Washington, D.C. and a bunch of other dates. Dates are in the description, also in probably the comments of this episode. Go see me on the road. Come hang out. I'll be hanging out with everyone after the show. Come shake my hand, call me an idiot, whatever you want to do, I will be there. Additionally, I will be doing my one hour of standup comedy. I'm very proud of this hour. I'm really excited to share with you guys, and it would mean the world if everyone could come on out. And what do you wear to a show on the road? That's a great question. You can go to campgoods Co. That's right. We got merch. We got Camp merch. We got hats, hoodies, T shirts. A lot of stuff is out of stock. Things have been selling like hotcakes. But we're going to be restocking everything in all the sizes. So you can go there right now, get all the merch, get all the coolest clothing in the podcast game. We're going to be updating that site regularly. And if you come out to a show, I'd love to see you sporting some of the threads that we got up online. I'll see you guys there. But no, that Portland time was fun until we got absolutely rinsed by the Airbnb.

[Miles]

Did they?

[Joey Avery]

I don't know. I don't know what the current status is. You are the reason that this happened.

[Miles]

That is not true.

[Joey Avery]

So, Miles, here's what happens. We are in Portland, Maine. Okay, which Portland, Oregon, named after Portland, Maine. Yeah, interesting, right?

[Miles]

And both equal. Equal level of homeless vibes.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, it's. It's shocking how similar cities they are. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Portland, Oregon was named after Portland, Maine because of Lewis and Clark.

[Mark Gagnon]

There's like a bet between them, right? Or whoever got something first.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, whoever, like, discovered the. The land first or some shit. They could name it after their.

[Miles]

Yeah, Porter was way cooler than Bang. Or respect to Bangor But I think they know that. I think everyone in Maine knows that.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. I mean, you couldn't even get through without yawning. So, yeah, that's gonna tell you anything about the. About the area. But yeah. So basically, we are leaving the hotel. I have to fly out at 7am or something like that. So I leave at 5am and Joey's like, hey, don't worry about it. We'll lock down the Airbnb. No issue, right?

[Miles]

There was no issue.

[Joey Avery]

So Joey leaves, I don't talk to him. All of a sudden, I get a thing from Airbnb saying, hey, the owner of the Airbnb is disputing your recent stay. And I was like, what's going on? I had a great time. It was. We were there for maybe four hours.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Like, literally, we got there, did the show, went back, slept, and then left. Had some bombass Chinese food.

[Miles]

Incredible Chinese food empire. Chinese shout out to them. Portland, Maine. Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, the empire.

[Miles]

You didn't even have it.

[Joey Avery]

No.

[Miles]

But to be fair, because you didn't believe you were worried about insulin spikes.

[Joey Avery]

I was worried.

[Miles]

I don't know if you're still on this.

[Joey Avery]

Absolutely, I am. I am an ardent acolyte of Dr. Jason Fung. Okay.

[Miles]

And I'm an art and acolyte of his uncle, who made the fantastic Chinese food that I enjoyed eating.

[Joey Avery]

It was great. Sylvester Fung, the famous chef. Yeah. The insulin spiker himself. But, yeah. So we leave and I get this thing that says, hey, there's vomit in the sink. The pipes are completely clogged and you have to pay $200 to fix it.

[Miles]

Did not puke. So that's the thing right before.

[Joey Avery]

Right.

[Miles]

And I used the sink before I.

[Joey Avery]

Left, and it worked right before we.

[Miles]

There was no. There was no clog and there was.

[Joey Avery]

No vomit before we started recording.

[Miles]

Joey.

[Joey Avery]

Joey goes. I love partying, dude.

[Miles]

I do love partying, but I didn't party in Portland.

[Joey Avery]

I'm just saying, I don't know what's going on with the dispute. This is still. If the Airbnb people are going to use this against me, let the record show neither of us puked in the. In the.

[Miles]

There was no puking. Look, there's a lot of Airbnbs I've stayed at in my day that if they came and levied a puking allegation, I would just have to charge it to the game. And I'd be like, you might be right.

[Joey Avery]

Worst Airbnb.

[Miles]

This was not one of those situations.

[Joey Avery]

What's the worst Airbnb the worst Airbnb.

[Miles]

I ever stayed in was when I came out to help you guys write on Schultz Saves America during the pandemic. And I came out and I was like. I told Andrew. I was like, I won't fund my trip. I just want to help, like. So I came out and I got an Airbnb, not realizing I don't think New York's the greatest Airbnb city in the world. It's a legal place. Looked like it. It looked like. Like an artist studio, so it looked great in photos. And then I get there and it's this dingy, dusty mess. No air conditioning in the middle of summer, so it's super hot. And the only. The bed is in a loft, so you're at the top of an already hot room. So I'm sleeping up there. And the only thing to bring you any sort of coldness was a fan that looked like it was like on a fucking World War I warthog plane.

[Joey Avery]

That green one.

[Miles]

And it. Dude, it was like.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And it was like, so loud that I felt like I was having dreams that I was like, taking off. I thought I was an airplane.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And it was horrible.

[Joey Avery]

Nice.

[Miles]

Was awful. And then my friend was like, oh, you can just stay at my parents place. And I was like, I'll do that.

[Joey Avery]

That's wild. It was really like. One of. It was like a finger chopper type fan.

[Miles]

Yeah. Except it was like that. But it was like huge.

[Joey Avery]

Hell, it was like this big.

[Miles]

So. And it was just like. And I was just like, this is horrible.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. You should have done the Japanese way. Which is what, on the floor? No, the Japanese don't sleep with fans.

[Miles]

It's like, no one should these days. It's really tough with Instagram and social media.

[Joey Avery]

Hey, you know. You know, saying, oh, is it Koreans type? But yeah, the Koreans don't. They don't sleep with fans. They get. They have the superstition about it.

[Miles]

Really?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

If you sleep in a closed room with a fan on that, you'll run out of hair.

[Miles]

Well, they're wrong. I sleep with a fan every night.

[Joey Avery]

What do you want to say? You know, I mean, sometimes you're. Sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're Is.

[Miles]

That's an interesting. I love how they can just be like, yeah, no, we're not doing that. South Korea suggesting that sleeping with an electric fan running can cause death. While there's no scientific basis for this belief, it remains prevalent and is passed down through generations. Boy, doesn't that apply to a Lot of things.

[Joey Avery]

Right.

[Miles]

That last sentence.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

There is no scientific basis for this.

[Joey Avery]

Hey, I feel like you're calling out a lot of my dieting stuff. Let the record show I have two jars of raw honey on the table.

[Miles]

Yeah. Wow. What do I gain from this?

[Joey Avery]

This one. I mean, there's a. There's a panacea.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Truly, this can solve all your problems. It will make biscuits taste very yummy and also potentially help with, you know, seasonal illness.

[Miles]

I love that. But I don't think you are a guy who eats biscuits. Is where I'm going to call you on that.

[Joey Avery]

No, I don't.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

Not the present moment. I really got it for my wife because I was like, I think she'll like this.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

It's hard to go on the road and go to, like, our favorite idiots.

[Miles]

Eating biscuits all the time. I'm gonna help her out.

[Joey Avery]

Exactly, dude. Spiking her insulin. Not min. But yeah, I mean, we do pass down dumb things. There's a podcast in Korea right now where these two hosts are like, yeah, dude. They think if you eat food and swim, you're gonna die. Like these idiots.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joey Avery]

We're over here. Like, yeah, I guess.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. Bizarro World US just in Korea.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah. Don't do it.

[Miles]

Don't. Well.

[Mark Gagnon]

Local honey only helps with allergies in the area.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mark Gagnon]

So New York City and Indiana honey is not going to help.

[Joey Avery]

But there is a moon boosting. No, immune. Immune boosting.

[Miles]

Immune boost.

[Joey Avery]

There's moon boost. I have honey in my mouth right now. Yeah, I keep it tucked like a Zen eating it. I bet this is fire, though. Yeah, it's quite nice. But were you in the city when. When the. The Mexican Edmund Fitzgerald crash.

[Miles]

I was.

[Joey Avery]

Not for the record, some people passed away. Okay. So I just want to acknowledge up top, it's very sad. It's a tragedy. And we're gonna pour poor model out for those.

[Miles]

We will. Absolutely.

[Joey Avery]

Because it is sad.

[Miles]

They were. And the people who passed, because I was curious about this. I wasn't sure if they were like, people on the bridge or whatever. I think it was people standing on the mast.

[Joey Avery]

There was a guy that committed suicide jumping off the bridge. Just coincidentally.

[Miles]

Yeah, it was actually. That was due to the stock market. That was completely unrelated.

[Joey Avery]

Imagine there's a Wall street guy just hanging on there. He's like, actually, maybe I won't. And then just a ship hits him. He falls off.

[Miles]

He goes to kill himself and the ship puts him back. And he was like, fuck, dude.

[Joey Avery]

He lands on the sail like, Jack Sparrow fucking knifes his way down. He's like, all right, fine. I guess I'll stick around for a while. But, yeah, it was a crazy thing. I, like, really stopped the city for a little bit.

[Miles]

Like, yeah, I was out of town. I was in the Catskills at a wedding. And then I just woke up and saw it on my phone.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. And miles, what was the thing with this? It was a. Basically a Mexican navy, like, training ship.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, basically, it's like a ship of goodwill or like a peace ship. And they use it for, like. They use it as, like, marketing almost. You can imagine. And they were headed to Iceland, if I'm not mistaken.

[Joey Avery]

Right. And they lost power. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

The prevailing theory is they lost power through, like, going into the harbor. And then they were going to not go into the harbor. And as they were doing their turnaround, they lost power.

[Joey Avery]

Damn. And so they had all these guys up on the mast.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And then it hits, like, of all the ships with giant master hit, this one was stacked full of people.

[Miles]

Well, that's because at first I was like, did they just not do the math? That's insane. But, yeah, it looks like they weren't trying to go under the bridge. They just lost power.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. And then, I mean, such a bummer, dude. There's poor guys. But also, the giant Mexican flag on the front is sort of funny to me.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

It was so big.

[Miles]

It's for a boat that was designed to bring good PR to the Mexican navy. It has had the exact opposite effect, but it has definitely ginned up confidence. Kind of a P.T. barnum sort of experience here where. And maybe, you know, I would imagine search results for Mexican Navy have never been higher.

[Joey Avery]

That is true. All publicity.

[Miles]

Get a few more in there. And obviously, respect.

[Joey Avery]

It's.

[Miles]

It is a tragedy. But it's so sad that it is a tragedy, because it's sad anyway. But it's also unfortunate that it can't just be purely hilarious.

[Joey Avery]

I know. Which, like, you see these things, you're like, people passed away.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

That is so sad, because now it's going to be hard for me to make jokes about it.

[Miles]

Correct.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And so who's the real victim?

[Joey Avery]

Exactly. It's us.

[Miles]

Yeah, it is. My friend said he would, like, went out for a run that morning and he saw the boat and he, like, took a picture and was going to send it because he was just like, I'm all for everybody, but this feels like an invasion. He's like, the flags were so big. I was like, dude, I wish you had sent it because you would have had this, you know?

[Joey Avery]

Oh, dude.

[Miles]

Ominous. Like, precursor.

[Joey Avery]

I already know Trump. Trump had a tweet lined up.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Prior to the bridge hitting it prior to Trump was like, we got to build a moat.

[Miles]

We need to build a water wall. Call it a bridge. Beautiful Brooklyn Bridge.

[Joey Avery]

The Southern Bridge.

[Miles]

The Mexicans out, swatted them back like Yao Ming. It said, no, say Puerto.

[Joey Avery]

Oh, dude, I saw. I saw one comment that just said Cinco de Mayo.

[Miles]

Ah, yeah.

[Joey Avery]

That's pretty good you got there, dude.

[Miles]

That's tough. Well, it's funny. I mean, I guess the boat lost power. You're. Either way. But that boat looks like it was built to. To, you know, work without power. That thing looks like it's a four. This was for the 1300s or something.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Of all the boats, you're like, that's the one that. Yeah. It doesn't. I didn't know it had power.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I thought there was no power involved in the boat at all.

[Miles]

Yeah. No, it's just powered by.

[Joey Avery]

Just dudes with oars or something or just the wind.

[Miles]

It's such a colonizer ass boat, too. You'd think that Mexico would be like this.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, right.

[Miles]

I don't want this boat.

[Joey Avery]

I looked it up, I was like, when was this built? And it was like, 1987. Yeah.

[Miles]

Like, who for? Why?

[Joey Avery]

Thriller was already out.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

You know what I mean? They were like, yeah, we need an old armada. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

We're gonna recapture the armada.

[Joey Avery]

I'm gonna give it back to him, dude.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Shout out to them. Dude. Sorry.

[Miles]

Shout out to them. It's too bad. It's too bad because it. It was a fun boat.

[Joey Avery]

Was.

[Miles]

You know, I don't know if it'll. I don't know if they're gonna keep. Is it gonna go to Iceland?

[Joey Avery]

Well, that's the thing. I don't know, because it seems like a lot of the damage is superficial. Right. Like, you just put the mass back up.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, if I know anyone that can fix it, it would be.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Probably be some. See that?

[Miles]

Pulling up to a Home Depot, getting the boys back involved.

[Joey Avery]

That's what I'm saying, dude. I think they could fix a little duct tape. They'd be like, yeah, it's fixed.

[Miles]

I think it might already be fixed.

[Joey Avery]

It probably.

[Miles]

Probably already.

[Joey Avery]

Did I know anything about Mexican work ethic. They're probably on it.

[Miles]

Yeah, they fixed that. But.

[Joey Avery]

But with it said Like, I don't know if given the. The calamity, it's like, yeah, we gotta retire it.

[Miles]

Yeah. Calamity really is the right word for this because it feels like it's like an old timey quality to this disaster.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Oh, it's a calamity.

[Joey Avery]

So I don't know what you do. Do you just sink it, turn to a reef?

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah. Let it re. Rejoin nature. I think you just fix it and.

[Joey Avery]

You just keep it moving.

[Miles]

Got to keep it moving.

[Joey Avery]

Yo, yo.

[Miles]

Because the power went out one time. You know that sometimes that happens at the Newark airport. Sometimes. Sometimes the screens go dark.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Stop flying. No, we just really try not to think about it. Every time I fly out of newer.

[Joey Avery]

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[Miles]

Yeah. And apparently it was so scary that the air traffic controllers were like, like in the hallways, like, shaking because they don't know, like, planes are going to crash into each other. So they had to take, like. It was such a intense thing. They had to take a mental health, like, time off, which is what led to further staff shortings because the people who were working during that were like, so rattled by.

[Joey Avery]

They were like. All that not working really made me need to take a break. Yeah. Not working for 30 seconds.

[Miles]

I got to take a it to Philadelphia.

[Joey Avery]

What do you mean all the Newark?

[Miles]

Yeah. Air traffic is run out of Philadelphia now.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, Miles is bitch ass. Knows everything about infrastructure.

[Miles]

I can hear Miles in the back going, that is correct.

[Mark Gagnon]

We ran out of Long Island. They moved them to Philly. They're already understaffed. It's supposed to be like 44 to 50 people.

[Miles]

Did they move into Philly because they wanted the. The air traffic controllers to use more slurs when the planes. You gotta go down. You fucking quit. Oh, my God.

[Joey Avery]

It co birds. Yeah, metal birds. Come on now. Metal birds.

[Miles]

Fly, eagles, fly. Oh, my God. So has it been going well in Philadelphia until this? Do they even know what happened?

[Mark Gagnon]

They basically lost connection with, like, Philly. So all the air traffic controllers in the tower for like 90 seconds didn't have it.

[Miles]

And then.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, like you said, they took trauma.

[Joey Avery]

Damn. What's going on with water traffic control? Is that who was in charge of that? Like, no, I think you'll make it.

[Miles]

Should be good.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, send it, send it. Oh, dude. I mean, yeah, it's kind of a scary thing. I was flying this week in Indianapolis and old. Old Burndog, old Senator Sanders.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Maybe miss a couple of shows, but it was all worth it.

[Miles]

Wait, what do you mean you had to come back early?

[Joey Avery]

So he was going to come on Thursday and had a show. Indianapolis on Thursday.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I was like, I'm going to push it to Friday, so I'm just going to cancel show.

[Miles]

Yeah, sorry.

[Joey Avery]

Indianapolis. It was for a good cause. We had to tell the people about socialism or something.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And then Friday came around. Did the show or did the pod with Bernie, which was awesome. Like, what a legend. I want to talk about that. But then the flight was at 3. Gets delayed until 6:30.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Terrible, insane flight. Like the whole time we're taking off, we were on the. We wait three hours in the terminal, wait an hour on the tarmac, get up in the air. No AC on the plane. They're finding turbulence. I don't think. I don't think they're trying to avoid it. I think they're just flying directly into turbulence the whole time.

[Miles]

Builds. Yeah. Build spirit.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, exactly like that. We were on spirit. Yeah. It was just basically trying to find like whatever the worst flight path was. We added another hour in the air because they were trying to get around the storm. And then, my God, the show was supposed to be 7 to 9:30. I ended up landing at 8:30 or 9 or something like that. And then immediately booked her from the airport straight to the show. And then they just consolidated the shows into one and just like packed people in.

[Miles]

Oh, how? In that tiny room?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Holy.

[Joey Avery]

It was like 75 sold for both shows.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

It's like pushed everyone. And then some of the early show people just dipped.

[Miles]

Yeah. I think that this is going to be happening to a lot of shows. I mean, like, I'm in Dallas this weekend. Dallas Comedy Club. Come on out. But it's like, it's Memorial Day weekend. I'm flying out of Newark. Thankfully, my flight's at 6am Which I usually hate, but I'm like, I'd rather be first one out.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And like just get there and take a nap.

[Joey Avery]

Also didn't help that I watched the rehearsal Nathan Fielders program.

[Miles]

It's so good.

[Joey Avery]

I really enjoyed it.

[Miles]

It is. I mean, see the episode where he speedruns Sully's life. What is probably the funniest tv. I think that's the hardest I've ever laughed at a television show in my entire life. When he walked out as the baby, I was like, oh my God. And then the takeaway at the end, which I won't spoil, but like, wake me up inside.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. How good is that? I don't know what was happening. But my gu.

[Miles]

Yeah. If you're not watching the rehearsal, I guess it's a, it's a, it's a very particular type of show. I, I could imagine some people not enjoying it because it's not just like a fun, normal TV show, but fuck, is it the closest thing we have, the comedic genius happening right now?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, I really, I really enjoyed it. I mean, outside of this podcast. But yes, I agree. And it's the all time show for your wife to fall asleep halfway through. Because she was falling asleep and she was like, oh, that's funny. He's like trying to like fix aviation safety.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And then woke up like maybe 20 minutes later, she's like, he's a baby.

[Miles]

Yeah. Like you really missed a couple building blocks.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of story progression that's going on that she was not. Not privy to.

[Miles]

Yeah. Absolutely brilliant. Now I am interested in your pod with Bernie.

[Joey Avery]

Oh, my goodness, what a ledge. Now, for the record, let me just say I don't really like any politicians fair, which is kind of like a dumb take to have. I know, it's like borderline conservative just to be like, I don't like politicians in general.

[Miles]

I just, it feels like it sound. Sounds dangerous, but in practice, it's very safe.

[Joey Avery]

Sure.

[Miles]

Like, it sounds like you're being like, dude, the system, man. But then in reality it's like, actually, this is the easiest take to defend.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

All time.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, exactly.

[Miles]

And it also gives you a cop out for not participating. I'm not saying that's what you're going.

[Joey Avery]

For, but it's just like I get this sense where you get these like, politicians, like, you're like, okay, like, I just kind of accept corruption.

[Miles]

It's also weird to love politicians too.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Maybe equally as strange of a take, but it's like I just sort of like I, I'm. I'm inherently skeptical. Yeah. With that said, Bernie exceeded my expectations. Like a very, A very principled guy. And then even just doing research on him, obviously I was familiar with him through 2016 kind of onward. It was like kind of who he was existing as in the political atmosphere. But I didn't know all the details of his personal life that I got to dive into during, you know, prep for the pod. And I was just, I was, I'm so impressed by like, I don't know, like, his record. Yeah. I mean, like, he's been. It's seemingly a like a solid, honest person for the better part of like 60 years.

[Miles]

He's very good at communicating his stuff, too. Like, I watched the episode today and it was like, it felt like I was like, with my cousins, like, after dinner at grandpa's house, like, with everyone asking him questions and just hearing like, oh, wow, that's how the system works.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Literally, that's how it felt.

[Miles]

It had a.

[Joey Avery]

And another thing.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And one more thing.

[Miles]

Okay, let's just. Grandpa's talking again. We need to listen.

[Joey Avery]

It was so fun and I just really enjoyed his. It's his aura.

[Miles]

It's funny. Not that this is the most important thing, but I'm always. It's always interesting watching feedback on different platforms because, like, I was just curious what people's comments would be. It's a politician. You guys are a comedy show. Like, it could be inflammatory. So I'm looking, like, on YouTube, everyone's like, amazing, Best ever. And then I think Schultz posted on Instagram and people are like, you better call this fucking hypocrite out. And I was like, I didn't know people thought Bernie was a hypocrite. I guess they were saying because he took money from big pharma is what people said.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Which even looking at that, it's like he was taking donations from many pharma employees.

[Miles]

Right. Which is totally.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, Miles, can you fact check me on that? Am I. Am I off there? Like, that's my understanding is that he was accepting money from pharma employees.

[Miles]

It seemed in general, though, that it was a very well received fifth episode. I thought it was great. Yeah, I, again, I appreciate how he communicates.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, I. I like him and I like, like his. His energy. And so, like, the criticisms that people were giving also were kind of annoying where it's like, like mad that he.

[Miles]

Flies on a private jet.

[Joey Avery]

So that's the one thing. It's like he sometimes flies on a private jet. It's like, yeah, he is a politician and has to still do stuff. You know, I mean, it's like, I'm opposed to slavery, but I have a phone that was probably built slave labor. You know what I mean? Like.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

But, like, that doesn't negate the fact.

[Miles]

It feels a bit like fishing when compared to, like, the criticisms of other politicians.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

I mean, no one gets mad at other politicians for also being on a private jet.

[Joey Avery]

It feels, I mean, in. To use your fishing metaphor. Yeah, it's like someone calling out, like, overfishing or like, you know, killing sharks and cutting off their fins and being like, yeah, but you fish in your pond, right? It's like, all right. Like, it's not really the same thing. I don't think that that's a valid criticism. Like, it's. I the person that's like, oh, dude, Bernie flies on a private jet, so it's fine that people die of not being able to afford insulin.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

I'm like, I don't see how that.

[Miles]

I think people give it to him more because they're like, oh, he's a socialist. I. I don't know his. At least his talking points now. And what he was talking about with you guys seemed less about, like, full tilt socialism and more like there's a clear and ridiculous situation going on with the amount of billionaires we're able to manufacture while the average person's getting angrier and angrier. And you can let that play out and see what's gonna fucking happen or not.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. It's like, wages aren't going up and people are struggling and, like, America's getting very wealthy and it's not getting redistributed and it's not trickling down.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

So I'm like, okay, is there a way to address that? Is there a way to get people, like, at least access to some type of healthcare while preserving a private system like public schools and private schools?

[Miles]

Yeah. We're getting wealthy. We're also in debt somehow. It's all very confusing.

[Joey Avery]

And again, I'm not some political genius. I don't know any of this stuff. But this is just like based off a simple Google search. It's like, oh, he has three homes. And it's like, yeah, he's 83 and he sold like, best selling books. And he also has, like, a good income as being a senator. Like, to me, that's like, I don't know. I have like, friends that, you know, their parents own two homes.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Like, I don't know if that makes them in the billionaire class.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

Like, sure, they're doing great financially, probably better than 90% of people, but I don't know if that's really who Bernie's talking about.

[Miles]

I think that was something that, that clicked with me too, is for the longest time, I thought people who were making these points were against, like, anybody who, like, has a vacation home or something. And it's like, no, there's a group of hyper, hyper rich elites that actually run everything.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

In our government. And, like, that's who we should be talking about.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, you've seen the comparison of like a million versus a billion.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Like this, like, to me, I Think is a worthwhile thing to examine where.

[Miles]

Like in your head it feels like you're going from 1 million to 2 million.

[Joey Avery]

Almost. Yeah, no, that's what I do. And I think it's like a, like a human thing where they kind of like mistake it, but like 1 million seconds versus a billion seconds. Have you seen this?

[Miles]

No.

[Joey Avery]

So 1 million seconds is about 11.5 days.

[Miles]

Okay.

[Joey Avery]

1 billion seconds.

[Miles]

31 years and 8 months.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Like, just crazy. Just to put it in scope. Or like, could you look up like a million grains of rice versus a billion grains of rice price? Like, again, it's one of these, like, it's like our, our brains, I don't think can really comprehend like the difference, but it's. I don't know, it's one of those things that I think people kind of miss when it comes to burning. They're like, oh, he doesn't want anyone to get rich. And like. No. And also I think, maybe, I think to give some credit to folks like, so, yeah, here's like a visual representation of like a million versus a million.

[Miles]

Yeah. Getting mad someone has an extra house. When they're talking about the fact that like Jeff Bezos is sending women to space on a rocket randomly, it's like, it's kind of a slightly different guy who's blasting bitches to space. Maybe, maybe we look into that level.

[Joey Avery]

Of now if you just left them there, no problem makes sense.

[Miles]

Just some peace and quiet.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, exactly. Right. But no, I don't know, it's just like to give credit, I also think that maybe some of, some of the folks on like the Bernie side maybe oversimplify things and there's kind of like point out problems without necessarily having a very clear cut solution. Because most of these problems have very complex solutions. Right.

[Miles]

It's kind of crazy that you have spoken face to face with Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump in the last.

[Joey Avery]

Within my son's life, seven months.

[Miles]

Yeah. That is insane.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty, it's a pretty.

[Miles]

Different vibes from the two of them.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Both pretty likable. Yeah.

[Miles]

Like in the room. Well, so that I guess both really likable there. It's easy to, you know, let's, let's put aside their political perspectives for this. I already have question and I've watched both podcasts, but like in the room, is there like an aura that either had that you felt was like, God, it's like you could just tell immediately why they have been so successful in their own ways. I mean, sort of light up a room.

[Joey Avery]

I would say Trump probably has like a more charismatic aura.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Where, like, you meet him and you're like, oh, wow, this guy's like, like, yeah. One of the all time, like, most famous humans has ever existed.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

It's a pretty, like, bizarre aura to walk around with. And he is very charming and charismatic and, like shaking everyone's hand and he's like.

[Miles]

I mean, he's just like ribbing people. I'm like, yeah, Bernie seems very straight to business. And Trump, I could imagine being like, look at the hair on this guy.

[Joey Avery]

Word for word. Yeah. And. And yeah, Bernie was like, you know, just like an older sort of like, curmudgeony guy.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But it's his principle that I think is like the most compelling thing where, like, you see how principled he has.

[Miles]

Been and like, how not Trump's strength in my.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah. Probably less so.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But, yeah, Bernie's just like, so. Yeah. He's just like, so sharp too.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

That is maybe one thing that they do share in common is that despite their old age, they're quite sharp.

[Miles]

Yeah. And got some big laughs out of Bernie, which I feel like was not like a normal. Like, Schultz got an autistic joke laugh out of Bernie Sanders, a big one.

[Joey Avery]

Which that was even one of the things electric. That was one of the things that was funny is like doing the prep for it is like, we just discovered this fact that part of the reason that he sort of started to analyze corporate greed was because the Dodgers left Brooklyn.

[Miles]

That would be heartbreaking. I mean, the guy's listing off, you know, who's batting third and he's doing fucking Abbott and Costello, you know, like. And that is a real thing, that era. It's so interesting to me how important baseball was back then. My grandpa was the same thing. He would. As he was. He. He ended up having dementia. As he was, like, sliding into dementia, we'd still be like, hey, Grandpa, can you do the lineup for the whatever year it was, Detroit Tigers? And he would just batting first, second base, and just rattle through the whole thing. Like, it was important when my wife.

[Joey Avery]

Was doing her clinicals to become like a nurse practitioner. She was doing. She was working, like, in like a retirement home, like an old folks home. And the amount of old men that she would, like, that was like, you know, like advanced Alzheimer's that were waking up out of their bed, being like, where are my cleats?

[Miles]

Like, where boys want a ball at.

[Joey Avery]

Like, the end of your life?

[Miles]

Put me in, coach. I'm ready.

[Joey Avery]

There's something poetic about that. That, like, for a dude's life. Yeah. Like, by the end of it, all you want to do is just play ball, dude, and hang with your kids.

[Miles]

I resonate with this all the time. My friends will get mad at me because, like, my wife, I'll be like, oh, God damn it. She's like, why? I'm like, I woke up, I was about to hit. What do you mean? I have baseball dreams all the time. And the most frustrating thing is when I wake up right when I'm about to hit. Everyone knows baseball is all of us waiting around trying to fucking hit. It's my turn, and I want to drop bombs.

[Joey Avery]

I say the same thing, but it's just a wet dream. Yeah.

[Miles]

Let me hit, babe.

[Joey Avery]

I was about to tap that. Smash that, Hogs. Come on.

[Miles]

Dude, I have way more sports dreams than sex dreams. Yeah, I had a dream I was a goalie the other night in the NHL. Yeah, dude, I was just like. Just like, it's game six. We got to tighten it up, boys.

[Joey Avery]

What a funny position to have a dream up, too.

[Miles]

And I played hockey, but I wasn't a goalie, so it was a really unique life experience to get to step into.

[Joey Avery]

Oh, it's so funny. But, yeah, dude, Bernie, like, that was, like, a pivotal moment. Like, think about, like, his fun open.

[Miles]

I was wondering how you'd approach the pod, but getting him onto personal, like, a fun, nostalgic story and a side of him that I think no one had seen. I thought it was great.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, dude, it was so fun. And, like, his, like, the two things that he's, like, rode for in his life, it's like wealth inequality, racial justice.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And as like, a 14 year old.

[Miles]

That has really worked out those still. I know he hasn't fixed it, but I'm saying, like, those are good stances to stick to because you can stand on that.

[Joey Avery]

No. Yeah, he's. And he's been there the whole time. And it started because the Dodgers left Brooklyn and he saw Jackie Robinson hit a home run. It was like, you got to get these guys in the league. How do we get more of these guys on the Dodgers, you know?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

So it was like, that one moment that is, like, so pivotal. And then we just kind of came across in research. We're like, definitely to talk about this.

[Miles]

How much time do you guys spend researching for a pod?

[Joey Avery]

I mean, it sort of, like, depends, but, like, for a guest like that, especially if it's like, a high sort of, like, status Person with some stakes involved.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

It'll probably be, like, you know, like a week and a half.

[Miles]

Wow.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, it's not like every moment of every day, but, yeah.

[Miles]

It's just a spectrum of podcast prep and a lot of podcasts. Like, I'll see podcasts that are, like, so successful. And it's literally just the two dudes, like, yeah. Wow. And it's then, you know, meanwhile, I'm doing mine. I'm, like, writing songs and doing sketches, and I'm like, no one's watching this but you guys. I can always tell, like, it's a conversation, but I'm always like, you knew what things you wanted to get to.

[Joey Avery]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Especially with someone like that. He has, like, a very tight schedule.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Like, he's on tour.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

So he was like, yeah, we got an hour.

[Miles]

Yeah. But he was like, I'm also on tour, Bernie.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Make it 45 minutes, and I'm missing.

[Joey Avery]

My show in Indianapolis. But, yeah, he ended up enjoying himself. Did like, an hour and a half.

[Miles]

He seemed like he did have fun.

[Joey Avery]

I think so.

[Miles]

Yeah. And it is crazy how I guess the Democrats are starting to figure this out, but it struck me that, like, that real honest, good conversation. I was just trying to think of how many people on the Democratic bench, like, could do that or would do that. And it is.

[Joey Avery]

I think most of them, like, politicians are, again, for all of their faults, generally speaking, are very likable.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

That's, like, their job. They are professionally likable.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

And so I think most, if not all of them could sit in a setting, especially with our show. Like, we're not particularly. Like, we're not trying to, like, catch people. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

You think they just feel like it's a risk, reward thing or they're just late to the party.

[Joey Avery]

I think historically, like, Democrats and progressives in general have had more, like, social guidelines as far as what they're allowed to do. And so the risk of, like, okay, do I go on the show? Someone makes an inappropriate joke, and then if I don't react accordingly, my entire political career goes.

[Miles]

I was literally like, damn, Bernie might get flamed by his side for laughing at the autism joke.

[Joey Avery]

Well, now Bernie's side, like, Bernie's kind of.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

His side was always sort of like its own thing. Like, he's an independent. Right. But, like, his side is like, yeah, we make a joke. Who cares? Like, maybe you think it's inappropriate, maybe you don't. But ultimately, like, you know, people are dying of fentanyl overdoses in the streets. Like, can we focus on that?

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

Which is kind of where I land, where it's like, yeah, I like to make fucked up jokes and I. If you disagree, that's fine, but that's also, I don't think should be anyone's highest priority.

[Miles]

Right, right, right, right.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Like, people can't afford food. Like, it's just. I don't know.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

So it seems like, I think, more progressive than Democrats. Kind of on the wave of like, okay, we don't have to be policing what everybody says, and it's more important to get our message across.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Which I hope is the trend for the future, because ultimately, I think long form convo with many different people and viewpoints and perspectives is good for public discourse.

[Miles]

I think people are, like, forced to loosen up a little bit where it's like, okay, policing things didn't work. And no one likes to be scolded.

[Joey Avery]

Not only did it not work, I think it, like, backfired. Detrimental and backfired. Right. Like, say what you will about Kamala, but, like, I think she's probably pretty likable and it's a fun hang and, like, has cool stories.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

You know what I mean? Like, when she told Oprah like, yo, I got a gun and I'll bust a cap in your ass, I was like, let's go.

[Miles]

She has an odd spectrum. Like, eating shit and absolutely killing it. Like, people do not talk enough about the fact that Kamala rinsed Trump in the debate.

[Joey Avery]

Do you think she rinsed him?

[Miles]

Yeah, in their one debate, I did think so. I think that she had him looking rather flustered, as I recall. I haven't rewatched it recently, but, like, I remember things.

[Joey Avery]

She got some dubs for sure.

[Miles]

Yeah, she did. And like, that's when he was just like, they're eating the cats and the dogs.

[Joey Avery]

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[Miles]

Yeah, it's great. He apparently, too, like, he walked into. I think he walked into the. The. A palace in Qatar and was just like, what a great house.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, that's exactly what I would say. Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying word for word.

[Miles]

Did you see? Now, I know I'm just throwing out funny Trumpisms, but you saw the fat shot drug.

[Joey Avery]

No. You didn't even see the way he's talking about his friend. Yeah, I have a friend.

[Miles]

Very neurotic. Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Very fat. One of the fattest guys. His friends at home like, bro. What? I told you this in conference.

[Miles]

Are you kidding me?

[Mark Gagnon]

Did you see his tweet for Biden getting cancer?

[Joey Avery]

I thought. I thought it was a very measured le. No capital letters tweet.

[Miles]

Definitely took his phone.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, it's not him.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Wonder how they found it.

[Miles]

I would love to know what he said. Like, yeah, to the people in the room, and they're like, we got to get out a statement. And then they do the statement. And then he's like, we'll do that one. We could sleepy Joe. He's going to sleep forever. Is not surprised. Not the first liberal with a weird prostate. They milk them. They. How many fingers, Joe did it take? Something's metastasizing in his back, I'll tell you.

[Joey Avery]

That might be Hunter's laptop. Oh, but, dude, it's. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of feel Bad for old. For old Joey. Old Joey Biden.

[Miles]

Yeah. I mean, I. There's obviously conspiracy surrounding everything, but I think now one of the things is, like, I think a doctor said, like, well, for this cancer to be this stage, he's had it for a long time. So the question is, were they not testing it on purpose?

[Joey Avery]

I mean, while we're on conspiracy vibes. Yeah, they definitely knew while he was president. Right. They must have. I mean, I don't want to be too.

[Miles]

Certainly covered a lot of things up. Although I will say their ability to cover up things is not great, considering Jake Tapper just wrote a long book about it. So if everything else is coming out, I don't know why they would have been able to keep this one a secret.

[Joey Avery]

That's a good point.

[Miles]

But is it. I don't know. I have no idea.

[Joey Avery]

I don't know if they knew or not. I mean, part of me is like, you're probably getting medical checkups on a regular basis for the president, and if it's that level, like, they probably knew and they can't say it.

[Miles]

Yeah, I think that they were. They weren't testing his. I don't know if it's a PS or I just hearing all this for the first time, but there was like, one test that checks that, and they weren't doing that test for him. Apparently, sometimes they don't do that test in old people because if you're going to get this certain type of cancer, like, you're probably, like, in a dead race with old age.

[Joey Avery]

So you can't get it if you don't test type vibe.

[Miles]

Yeah, it's like an std. But it just. It would be odd to me to assume that we are skimping on the tests for the old commander in chief.

[Joey Avery]

That's what I'm assuming.

[Miles]

But I also, you know, Trump's doctor keeps coming out and being like he's killing it and insanely healthy. And it's like, well, you know, he's got a lot of energy, but, you know, I don't know. When I get my blood work done, there's usually areas for improvement. So you tell me, you know.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, I don't know. I am glad to see the. Most people are being nice about it. Like, you hear someone's got cancer and you're like, all right, I'm sorry. You know what I mean? Like, no matter what you want to.

[Miles]

Say politically, it is nice that we still have this level of decorum, which Trump doesn't usually wield, but it is Nice that there's this level of like, all right, hey, we leave it in between the white lines. If you actually. If you actually got some shit going on, like, we. We wish you the best. Which, you know, it's. It's a. It's. It's a nice perk afforded to the elites when they make decisions from their desk that just decimate families in Third World countries. And then no one really seems to care then. But, yeah, you know, I'm sure there are people in some parts of the world that are not like, ooh, let me get out a nice, calm tweet for Biden.

[Joey Avery]

That's probably a great point, but. Yeah, yeah, that's probably an excellent point. That is a tough. That's. I don't know why anyone want to be president. Like, I don't. I need to be liked too much. I have no.

[Miles]

Kind of start cooking and then it's like. Like, think about it, though. Like, I agree, it sounds kind of horrible, but then, like, imagine if you were in a position where it was actually possible for you and you're already catching. If you're that famous anyway, and you're going to bed one night and that the thought creeps into your head and you're like, me on Air Force One, dude. Me in the White House, I guess.

[Joey Avery]

But then me and all the oil.

[Miles]

Paintings, the placemats of children. Yeah, right.

[Joey Avery]

But like, me sending a bomb to some wedding.

[Miles]

Right?

[Joey Avery]

But you.

[Miles]

I think you tell yourself, oh, well, I mean, obviously there's going to have to be some unfortunate decisions, but I'm probably going to be better at making them than other people.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. I guess you just have to believe that.

[Miles]

You have to. If you're not, don't do it.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, but then I'm like, is that the guy we need to run in the country? The guy that's like, I'm the best.

[Miles]

Yeah. No, yeah. No, not really. But, like, that's who you get.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, I guess you don't even get there. Like, maybe we just got to go back to the philosopher kings. You know what I mean? Go back.

[Miles]

You tell me.

[Joey Avery]

Go back on some. Some Play DOH vibes, right? Like, just get, like, just some young kid pulling from an orphanage, random kid from an orphanage, and be like, I.

[Miles]

Don'T even want to know what Plato would do to that.

[Joey Avery]

He'd turn him into Play doh. That's why. That is crazy Socrates, dude, that all these guys repeatos. And then we named a children's goo Play doh.

[Miles]

That is okay. Spelled so differently but it's the same word, dude. Yeah, it is the same dude.

[Joey Avery]

Play. D'oh's like, they're gonna. Kids are gonna play with me forever. That's crazy, bro.

[Miles]

Just want their tiny hands on me.

[Joey Avery]

Just pushing me all the time.

[Miles]

It's one of those historical facts that I. I think it's like, it's, you know, it's a joke kind of, but, like, I'm like, dude, they weren't actually doing that. But they were.

[Joey Avery]

They were.

[Miles]

But it feels like they. Like, when I hear that, I'm like, come on.

[Joey Avery]

No.

[Miles]

Guys writing all these books, you mean to tell me they were banging dudes?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, kids. They didn't think they were turning these.

[Miles]

Boys into a human flesh legit.

[Joey Avery]

And their. And their rule was that they stopped once they grew beards because then they were men.

[Miles]

That's horrifying. I still can't grow a beard. I'd be getting pummeled right now. Dude, I'm 34. That's horrifying. Dude, I'm so glad I wasn't born in ancient Greece.

[Joey Avery]

That's the allegory of the cave. It's just Joey getting dogged out. You see Plato's dick shadow on the wall. You're like, oh, is that the dick or is that the form of the.

[Miles]

Dick'S dick shadow on the wall? Horrifying.

[Joey Avery]

It was chained up, like, oh, my God.

[Miles]

But they didn't view it as a sexual. Sexual thing, right?

[Joey Avery]

Well, I'm sure it was sexual, but I just don't think. I think they're. I think the hurt people.

[Miles]

Hurt people because it happened.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, probably.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I just think the. The lines they're paying for what actually was pederasty was probably different.

[Miles]

Well, it's just crazy because they were. But they weren't like, I'm gay. They were like, no, I'm married to a woman. You, obviously.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure if my freshman level philosophy class serves me correct, I took Phil.

[Miles]

I had a philosophy minor in college. I don't think we covered this realm. No, I don't think we discussed this, dude.

[Joey Avery]

I was a philosophy minor. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Miles]

Favorite boy on a team.

[Joey Avery]

But, like, there was. It was like, rooted in misogyny. Oh, I'm really sound like a lib this episode. For the record, I'm. I'm a.

[Miles]

You're an independent.

[Joey Avery]

I'm a staunch independent. Look at my voting record, okay? In the state of Florida, independence is day one. All right? Lifelong independent. That's what I tell people, dude. I've been a lot. A lifelong independent.

[Miles]

A lifelong born.

[Joey Avery]

Came out of the box as a lifelong independent. It was like some misogyny where they were like, okay, women are for, like, the home.

[Miles]

Right?

[Joey Avery]

But, like. And women are for reproduction, Right? And we have to bang them for reproduction. But, like, actual relationships can only be held amongst the cerebral, intellectual sex.

[Miles]

Holy.

[Joey Avery]

That is so.

[Miles]

They loved these boys. I thought they were just, like, trying to release.

[Joey Avery]

No, I'm pretty sure it was, like, an intellectual bond. Like. Like, the only way we can connect is, like, with another man intellectually. But then we.

[Miles]

I'm in fantasy leagues.

[Joey Avery]

What's your fantasy? I guess it depends. You know what I mean? All right. Loser of the league has to suck me off.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Random punishment. What do you guys think?

[Miles]

Why are there only two people in this fantasy league? Shut up. Let the commissioners speak. Go back to your quarters. Go back to the cave. I get the first, second, and third draft picks.

[Joey Avery]

The deck is stacked against you. All right, but that's the fun of it, you know? That's the fun. But, yeah, dude, it was. It was. It was a different time back in ancient Greece.

[Miles]

God damn.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, them boys were wild.

[Miles]

Them boys were wild, but that was night out.

[Joey Avery]

That was Plato's whole thing.

[Miles]

Crazy place to just visit a buffalo. Wild one. All the boys are just pummeling each other, watching the match, watching the game of rocks or whatever. I don't know what sorts of games.

[Joey Avery]

They were watching the Olympics. Yeah.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah. That's basically rocks. That is shot put rocks.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. They would run around naked.

[Miles]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But that was their whole thing. They were like, this is. Who's going to run the country. We're going to get, like, the genius flying philosophers and, like, we're gonna raise them as kids and teach them all the rules of civics and how to run a republic. And then they will be the kings. And then they will anoint a new child king that then will grow and then take over the. The.

[Miles]

And now we don't even care if people are smart or alive.

[Joey Avery]

Doesn't matter.

[Miles]

Like, just stick them in there.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Get some people running it from behind the scenes.

[Joey Avery]

You can't climb stairs. Put them in.

[Miles]

Put him in. Sorry. He fell upstairs. Is that not impressive to anyone else?

[Joey Avery]

That was one the of the questions we're gonna ask Buddha judge as a transportation secretary under Biden.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

We're like, was it your fault he fell off the bike?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

That's like one of your main jobs, right? Planes, trains, and bikes.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And the old presidente popped off on that one, you know? Yeah, yeah. I feel like that should have been his. Like, should have been tandem.

[Miles]

Miles, you had a nice moment with Pete. I like trains as well. That was so good.

[Mark Gagnon]

And everyone laughed at us and I was like, no, dude, we're trying to talk.

[Miles]

So good. It was so earnest and it was such a beautiful moment, but I laughed and I was like, okay, everyone's gonna laugh.

[Mark Gagnon]

We're trying to talk shop, and you guys are being children.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, that really is like, Miles's like, dream guest. I feel like it's just like, just a.

[Miles]

Just a lib politician who runs tr.

[Joey Avery]

Yes, Miles. They drive a Miles in the chat. But that really is. It's just like, I want a guy that's like, just loves trains, loves infrastructure, and it's just, you know, for the boys, you know.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, infrastructure questions.

[Joey Avery]

Miles. Miles could have done a five hour pot alone.

[Miles]

Yeah, Pete, I would love that, actually. I was just. Miles, you should start a infrastructure weekly podcast where you just talk. Talk about if it is the one thing that everyone like. Like, if you asked, like, people the problem with their local town, everyone's gonna be like, the roads are roads.

[Joey Avery]

Traffic. Yeah, roads and traffic and then construction. If you're in the north. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People in the north hate.

[Miles]

So the infrastructure pod might be at the, you know, the beating heart of what the people really want to discuss politically.

[Joey Avery]

The problem is, once you be crazy.

[Miles]

Arc for Miles to become the most successful podcaster and media personality out of.

[Joey Avery]

Everyone in the just ranking on Spotify. It could work. Honestly, it could work, but the idea that if everyone has this problem, then I'm like, oh, no one has the problem. Like, I hear this thing every time we go to a city. Like, oh, I hate construction. I hate the roads.

[Miles]

It.

[Joey Avery]

The fact that it's so pervasive makes me say we don't need to change anything because it's like ancient Greece.

[Miles]

If that was happening to one person, it's the worst thing in the world. But if everyone's doing it, that's just life.

[Joey Avery]

That's. Yeah, that's life. We live in cities and sometimes the road sucks. So get over it, you know? Yeah, that's how it was, dude. Even down in Orlando, where. Where I grew up, where Miles and I met all. All types of road traffic and all sorts of things, and you just.

[Miles]

Orlando feels like a crazy little place. It's the best.

[Joey Avery]

It's a wonderful town.

[Miles]

You were telling me that you were waxing poetic about Orlando when we were in Maine. And I was like, get me out of these maps. I don't know what the this is.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah.

[Miles]

But you were like, I just gotta get you down there for one day and show you how to like really do Orlando. And I do appreciate that because I'm a hometown guy. Everyone's always shitting on the Bay Area in San Francisco. I'm like, first of all, you come with me, we'll take a shit in the street. We'll do it our way. We'll do it our way. But there is. Call me Dorothy, but there is no place like home. Truly, there is no place like home. And I'm a, you know, I'm all for the bay. I ride for the bay.

[Joey Avery]

You of all people would love Orlando.

[Miles]

You're built for Orlando, I bet.

[Joey Avery]

Would love Orlando. Day drinking and golf.

[Miles]

Golf.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, right. Like, I mean, what else do you need?

[Miles]

Sign me up a nice, a nice.

[Joey Avery]

Couple restaurants, a cute little downtown I'm going to.

[Miles]

How far is Orlando from Tampa? Cuz I'm going to St. Pete. You're a drive away, probably Joey ra.com live yeah, that's not.

[Mark Gagnon]

What, what club are you doing in?

[Miles]

I'm doing coastal creative in St. Pete. While we're talking tour dates though, if you are in the Bay Area, San Francisco Punchline. I'm filming my, my first special June 6th and 7th. We also have a show June 5th. That one's gonna sell out though.

[Joey Avery]

But how are you feeling special?

[Miles]

I am excited. Like, it's like, it's like a professional wedding. You know what I mean? It's like I got so many people who are coming out. It's gonna be like a huge thing. So it's super stressful. But it also like makes me want to be a better version of myself. So I'm like, okay, I gotta like, gonna get slim. Yeah. Diet and work out and, and, and make sure that I'm in a good spot for it. And watching more of the, watching more of my sets and like actually like making sure things are punched up. But it's a lot of material that's been with me for a while and it's time and it's like, it absolutely has to be at. The punchline is where I want the first one to be filmed. So it's all coming together and I'm trying not to get to the place where it's easy to be like, oh, I can't wait till the day after when I can relax and I'll have it done. Because the special is like a stressful Thing. But I'm trying to just like, be stoked about being in the moment.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Looking at it like a wedding is kind of an interesting way to do it because you're on the road doing these shows every weekend, and it's very much a solo endeavor. It's you out there trying to make these people laugh. And then with the special, it's like, oh, my parents will be there. My grandpa's gonna go. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

I told my parents because I have a lot of friends coming. I told my parents. I was like, just. Maybe just sit this one out. I got a lot going on.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, that's also because that is the. Like, a wedding is stressful.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

You don't really have to do anything.

[Miles]

Yes. But with the wedding, it's also like, it's not the same as, like, obviously, special is so much. But the wedding is scary because it's one shot. Like, at least I can film that. I have four takes to get this one right.

[Joey Avery]

I mean, you can get one takes in your wedding. I mean, I wouldn't share that. I wouldn't say that.

[Miles]

A lot of wealthy men have preferred time. 4, 5, 6.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah. I like. I do like the idea of men treating a marriage like a special. Like, on the fourth one, they're like, I think we got it.

[Miles]

We got it. You like the Late show? Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Should I do a wild card? One more?

[Miles]

We should do a crazy one. Let's just do a crazy one. I feel like we got it. We have the buttoned up version. I'm gonna take some shots and do a crazy.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm gonna tell my third wife. Like, hey, let me just do a crazy one.

[Miles]

I think if you're getting married for the third time, it might be like, let's just. Just get a psycho. Like.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Although maybe that's how you get to three is you already did two of those.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah. But should that be illegal, Getting married for three times? The third time, I think after a certain point, the state.

[Miles]

I'm gonna save you from yourself sort of thing.

[Joey Avery]

The state should step in and be like, hey, you're just not the type of person.

[Miles]

The state should mandate that you're just boyfriend, girlfriend.

[Joey Avery]

Which really. Who does that benefit? Like, it kind of benefits the guy if he's been married three times.

[Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And the girl's like, so we're gonna get married. And he's like, legally, I can't do it. I want. I want to.

[Miles]

Doesn't want it.

[Joey Avery]

I would have proposed you on day two.

[Miles]

The state prefers you as a side chick, quite honestly.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

That's how we got into this situation.

[Joey Avery]

Federally, you're a. Yeah. Look, it's state rules.

[Miles]

It's not up to me. I. I talked to a judge, and he said you're a.

[Joey Avery]

So, you know, it's above me.

[Miles]

Anyway, you want to suck this?

[Joey Avery]

I'm for that. If I became president, I would say third marriages are illegal. I would say your wedding vows are legally binding. Yeah, that's another big one for me. Don't lie in.

[Miles]

Your wedding vows are legally binding. I will laugh when we watch Friends together. You, like, want to make sure that that happens.

[Joey Avery]

I hate going to a wedding. And then people are like, oh, like, I'll love you forever and ever, in sickness and in hell, and then they get divorced. Yeah, don't. Don't.

[Miles]

Because that guy was sick.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Like, don't lie to me. Just. Just be like, hey, I will love you as long as I want. Or until it gets really tough.

[Miles]

Or like, I'm gonna give this a real college try.

[Joey Avery]

I love the honesty.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Just go and make your wedding vows honest. That's my one.

[Miles]

I will probably love you always. But let's be honest. Who the knows life is crazy?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

This is me. Stand up here and tell you I. I'm going to be this or that. Who knows? You might not like me. I could be fat in 20 years. You might not like me.

[Joey Avery]

That's. Yeah, you just give her that. Yeah. You're not.

[Miles]

You might not want this at all.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. And then her vows, I want the same level of honesty. I just want people to be honest in their vows. If you get married and you're like, in sickness and health and forever, until death do us part. That's it.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Until death do you part. Kill there or kill.

[Miles]

That was the theory. That is the. The concept of the wedding was. That is what you're doing. Don't let it go along the line, mind. People were like, you know, but, you know, come on.

[Joey Avery]

But if you're not about that life.

[Miles]

Then what, are we all gonna just make these work?

[Joey Avery]

That's my point. Switch it up. Just change the vows.

[Miles]

And do you think less people should get married?

[Joey Avery]

I can't speak to that. Because it seems like everyone that gets married 50 are just going to split up anyway.

[Miles]

Yes. I wonder if that would be less the case if people took it more seriously.

[Joey Avery]

I would say if you're not gonna have kids, like, if you're just like, yeah, that's Not. Not for me. That's a completely valid lifestyle choice. Why get married? Yeah, like, to me, it's like, marriage is kind of for the kids. Like, hey, we're gonna have, like, this family unit. We're gonna get our money sorted out. We're gonna have one name, the kids will have one name, and that gets it all.

[Miles]

Sort. I also think that some of the commitments that you make during a wedding do increase your chances of solidifying the relationship. Like, once you do have. You're under one name and you're doing all this, you're like, oh, it does feel different. Different. It does feel like, yeah. Like, I never thought I was like, oh, it doesn't matter. We're committed. We're committed. And then, like, once it happens, you're like, oh, it does hit a little different.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, you need.

[Miles]

It does hit a little different being like, well, my wife, you know?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Yeah. Once the split of requires more than an Uber, then it's like, all right, there's a little something online, and there probably is something good about standing in front of your community and professing your love to another person, I think. Yeah. A healthy social institution. But generally speaking, like, if you're just like, yeah, we're not really gonna have kids. Like, I'm not religious. Like, marriage. Marriage doesn't really mean anything to me. Like, I find when people. Yeah. I'm just like, yeah, just don't.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And like. Or just do, like, a party and just be like, hey, we're just have a big party and everyone's going to come out. We're going to drink the party. Yeah, but, like, all this, like, pomp and circumstance for something you don't even believe. I'm like, what's the point?

[Miles]

You think people don't believe it?

[Joey Avery]

I mean, if they don't. Like, if you're, like, not religious, like, you just are. You're not going to have kids or, like, you don't do the other marriage.

[Miles]

Yeah. The wedding really has become beyond the. Like, I know it's a religious thing in nature, but for people who aren't religious, it's just become, like, a social, like, touchstone. I don't. I don't even know what you would say. Like, it has taken on its own meaning. Like, the wedding is its own institution. Whether or not you're religious. You're like, oh, no. This is like.

[Joey Avery]

I also have this theory that's our thing.

[Miles]

This is how we know we're serious and everyone can see it.

[Joey Avery]

I also don't know if anyone Even gets married at the wedding. No one gets married at the wedding. Wedding. Women get married when they get engaged. Men get married when they have kids. This is my working thought.

[Miles]

Did you make that one up?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Yeah, this will work.

[Miles]

A lot of dudes who don't have kids yet are like, yeah, dude.

[Joey Avery]

Well, that's the thing. Because, like, if you're a dude, let's say you get married, you're 28, 30 years old, no kids at all, you get divorced. Like, you never miss a step, right? Whereas for a woman, she gets to show all her friends, she's like, I'm engaged. I got married. Like, da, da, da, he loves me. I got chosen.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

And it's. I don't think it's right, you know, I mean, I'm just saying this is a social institution. This is what happens.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

That's. That's kind of my working theory. Right.

[Miles]

And so you think until you had the kid, you didn't feel fully like you were married?

[Joey Avery]

No, because I was just like, at any moment, this could, like, end. I mean, not really. I didn't think my wife and I were ever gonna split, but Because I'm married before God, the one true God.

[Miles]

That's right.

[Joey Avery]

What God is bound, man cannot separate. But there is an element socially where it's like. Like, if you just walk away, there's. I could just tell someone in 10 years, like, oh, yeah, I was married back in the day.

[Miles]

Yeah, you could do that. But I think that, like, the absolute destruction to your life that you've built together and you're like, families and your friend, like, it would not be that easy just because you don't have a kid.

[Joey Avery]

I think it's easier for dudes. That's my point.

[Miles]

Oh, for sure. Because you're like, well, this sucks, but I can smash.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Whereas for women, I think there's an unfortunate social. More that if they get divorced, there's, like, a stain. Whereas for men, they don't have that stain because of, I don't know, whatever you want to insert there.

[Miles]

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. I don't know. I think. I think it depends on, like, your community and. And how people feel about it. Like, we live in New York. If I found out, like, you know, I'm obviously not single, but if I was, like, dating and the girl's like, yeah, I was married, you know, whatever.

[Joey Avery]

It's New York and cares, you bet you'd be like. And then, yeah, I'd be like, why'd.

[Miles]

You nag him so much? That he left. What did you do wrong? He was a psychopath. It was abusive. I'm like, but why? Yeah, but why do you think that.

[Joey Avery]

Was two sides every story?

[Miles]

Obviously I wouldn't be like that, but. Yeah. No, I think it just depends on your community if you're in Salt Lake.

[Joey Avery]

Oh, yeah, yeah. This is. We're speaking from like a very, like, generally white coastal world. Like, I imagine if you're like, my.

[Miles]

Favorite clothing store, by the way, used to be called pacsun. Now it's called White coastal World. And I can get all my favorite billabong gear there. And they always play my favorite white reggae dude.

[Joey Avery]

Sandals with a bottle opener. I was looking for this.

[Miles]

Come on, dude.

[Joey Avery]

Thank God.

[Miles]

Come on, dude.

[Joey Avery]

How else am I gonna open my beer with the dirtiest thing ever?

[Miles]

Amusement park dude. White coastal World. And it's just fucking slightly stupid and sublime. Bumping and. Yeah, dude, every. Every guy is just like a formerly jacked fat dude in a flat brim hat who's like. My favorite burrito in San Diego is Rigobertos.

[Joey Avery]

Yes.

[Miles]

That's just describing San Diego. And I do love it.

[Joey Avery]

And I do love it in comparison to, you know, minority immigrant world. You know what I mean? And that is a very different social marital structure.

[Miles]

Structure. It is.

[Joey Avery]

You know what I mean? So, like, they probably have different rules. I'm sure there's probably some Muslim dude. Listen, this being like, that's not resonating. Not what marriage is for me. Yeah. You know, so. Yeah, I don't know. I think that very much like western coastal marriage world is of different. A completely different thing.

[Miles]

Yeah, that is true. It could be different. I heard there was a Mexican guy, his wife got mad at him, she shut off power to his boat.

[Joey Avery]

Dude, that sounds like an unfortunate thing.

[Miles]

That's a very unfortunate thing to happen.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

He's like, she caught him cheating, dude, and she shut off power to his boat. Hit the little bridge there.

[Joey Avery]

My old 1700s Mayflower.

[Miles]

That is like the most divorced dad item to have. Like, oh, how's your dad these days? He's really into this boat now, ever since mom left, which also.

[Joey Avery]

Can we talk about that? The midlife crisis. This thing.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I think is a complete misnomer, you.

[Miles]

Know, you're not gonna get a vessel.

[Joey Avery]

I am gonna get a vessel. Yeah. But it's like, it is. It is unfair to me that, like, dudes work their whole life, you know, I mean, they're. They're working hard, they're trying to make it in the world. Right. And then, you know, they start do a podcast, you know.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Strike it big. And they try to buy a Corvette. And they finally this desperate, they get enough money to buy a Corvette. Everyone's like, you're going through something. It's like, no, I was poor for 35 years.

[Miles]

I can finally have this Corvette. It just. It just looks weird because it's such a pussy mobile. I'm not allowed to have any. It does look odd, though. Like, I remember when I was a kid, I was like telling my dad, I was like, like, you know, he had like a solid car, but I was like, why don't you get a Corvette? You know, Because I was like, oh, Corvette would be amazing. He's like, well, it's like the same price as mine. I'm like, then why don't you have it? Then why don't you have it? Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

Driving a Lincoln like a fucking idiot.

[Joey Avery]

Yes. Right?

[Miles]

And then like when he got older, finally he was like, well, thinking, next car, maybe I get the Corvette. By the time he said it, I was like, in no sense will I allow.

[Joey Avery]

Travesty, dude. My dad, his dream car was a Bentley. Still. Still is.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But he was always like, you know.

[Miles]

I have seven kids air of class in that choice.

[Joey Avery]

He's just like, I can't Bentley. I mean, it's just crazy. And so he got the Chrysler 300.

[Miles]

That is the ever. That is the working man's Bentley.

[Joey Avery]

Lived out the Cat Williams bit irl. I watched that bit and I was like, like, oh, my God, am I black? I couldn't believe it. I was like, I have a black dad this whole time. What are the odds? He wanted a Bentley. Was like, I'm getting the Corvette or I'm getting the Chrysler 300. And then I inherited it.

[Miles]

Really?

[Joey Avery]

Yes. I inherited. I drove miles around in the shittiest Chrysler.

[Miles]

Chrysler 300. Having a mark Gagnon shirt.

[Joey Avery]

Literally, dude with a. My dad. The one thing that he did to change the car is he put the biggest, like 18 inch kicker in the trunk.

[Miles]

Black dad. Yeah, yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Just to listen to Cascade.

[Miles]

That is awesome.

[Joey Avery]

Just to listen. I love cast like early deadmau5.

[Miles]

Yes.

[Joey Avery]

He was just playing. I remember in the crisis 300, dropping me off at school.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Sick as hell, right?

[Miles]

Yeah. That's incredible.

[Joey Avery]

And then I inherited it. And then just played Kodak.

[Miles]

There you go.

[Joey Avery]

Just drove miles around playing circle of Life. Really truly. It was the. The Florida circle. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

You have like, imagine my. My dad putting on. I remember, like that was like, you know, that was like my formative drug years.

[Joey Avery]

No.

[Miles]

Oh, yeah. No. You're like, this is dad's music.

[Joey Avery]

That is dad music.

[Miles]

That will be my child's dad.

[Joey Avery]

Yes. I want to open like an old French Canadian restaurant. I'm gonna name it Francois in honor of my dad. And it's just gonna be. It's gonna be chicken and waffles and then Cascade.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And be like. Yeah, it's. It's an older time. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

I'll go to that.

[Joey Avery]

Some people play like Sonata, Mantra. No, no, no, no. Dance music.

[Miles]

Cascade. One of the greats, the classics.

[Joey Avery]

See, my dad took me to go see Paul Oakenfold.

[Miles]

Wow.

[Joey Avery]

When I was like 16 years old, he snuck me into a nightclub and was like, yeah, dude, this is.

[Miles]

Check this out.

[Joey Avery]

This is music.

[Miles]

That's sick.

[Joey Avery]

He got a table for the whole family and we saw Paul.

[Miles]

Family table.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, my dad, My dad would get family tables regularly.

[Miles]

Does he still go out and party?

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. 100.

[Miles]

Your dad rules.

[Joey Avery]

He's the man. Yeah, he's an all time legend, bro. He. I'm almost positive I've met your mom.

[Miles]

Does your dad come out to shows and things or. No, not. So you're not a DJ enough?

[Joey Avery]

I mean, he comes out to, you know, msg, right?

[Miles]

I guess. He wasn't at Radio City.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah, no, he's busy that weekend. He's working. But no, my mom like never goes out. She's up 8am to go to mass.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

So we would go get a table with my dad at three in the morning, downtown Orlando. My sister like throws up like in the backyard, like, just shit faced. And then we'd wake up at 8am to go to mass with my mom.

[Miles]

Oh my God. You had to do both.

[Joey Avery]

If that doesn't explain me in a nutshell.

[Miles]

That is awesome. That is awesome. And that's how you got this podcast, folks.

[Joey Avery]

Literally. Dude, it is a. It is a wild thing. And then I don't even know. I'm trying to. I was always. I've been trying to think about where like the medical neuroses comes in. Like my, like, because I was your mom, I. I think it is.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I was taught. Is that where it always comes from? Oh, because I was talking with my buddy Kristoff, Christoph G. Very funny comedian that's been on the road with me and I was like, yeah, I'm just like trying to think like. He was like, yeah, dude, one day you're gonna like. He's like, you're gonna speak for, like, I don't know, like a whole swath of people that are like, into, like, health. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, you're gonna be like a health guy.

[Miles]

I was like, no, no. And meanwhile, what are you reading? Actually, there's a thing with insulin spikes.

[Joey Avery]

That I'm like, going through my HRV every morning.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I'm just like, I'm so hooked. And he's like, yeah, no, for sure. But I think it does come from my mom. She's like, supplement stacking like crazy.

[Miles]

Yeah, that's where it comes from. I don't know if it always comes from the. Mine came from the mom. The funny thing is, like, my mix is like, my mom is an absolute health freak. She's like in her mid-70s. She walks like miles every day. She'll like, go for a three hour walk with a friend and then come home, be like, does he want to go for a walk? And then, like, take off. She's, you know, like lifted weights. She was like a yoga teacher and she, like, studied in India, like way back in the day with Iyengar and did yoga stuff. And then my dad likes to drink and so I kind of have both. So, like, I partied last night and I went to the gym today.

[Joey Avery]

That's it.

[Miles]

Some decent balance.

[Joey Avery]

That's what it's all about.

[Miles]

Trying to. Trying to do both.

[Joey Avery]

Work hard, sweat hard. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the. I think that's actually strange. We have that in common.

[Miles]

It's always a mix. I mean, like, you're like. You're obviously your own self, but you have things that you get from your parents via nature and nurture. And then I also believe that, like, some of it is, you know, ingrained, and then some of it is your job to choose the good parts and be wary of the bad parts. And if you can, take the better sides of them.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

And move that goalpost forward. And then your kid will do that with you because you're gonna have some annoying fucking shit as well.

[Joey Avery]

Dude. I was actually just thinking about this in light of having a young babe at home. I kind of.

[Miles]

I've been thinking about as well as a child.

[Joey Avery]

Hey. You know what I'm saying? But the way I have been thinking about it is like, I see it as like a. Like a board with all these different dials on it. Okay. And when you're born, everyone's got this big board of dials and some of them are frozen and they can't move. At all. And some of them are not frozen and they're completely malleable depending on the input that you put on them. And so, like introvert, extrovert. Your dial might have been frozen. You might have just. I'm assuming you're an extrovert. You would consider yourself an extrovert? Yes, I would.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

You would be an extrovert in every scenario, whether you were adopted by a completely different family or not. Not. But for some people, that dial is malleable and they're born into a family that's maybe very extrovert and then they kind of dial it up or they're born to a family that's not and their dial goes down. And I think it goes for every personality trait down the board where some of them are just frozen, where that's what they're built with. And then some of them is external and nature nurture. And then you don't know which is which.

[Miles]

That's fascinating. And it's all. It reminds me of a Buddhist concept which is basically like you have a bunch of seeds of everything, and it's like your duty to. To decide which ones you're going to water and not. And so like, you have seeds of good behaviors, bad behaviors, parts of you that you could unlock or not. And it really depends on what you decide to water and nurture.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, it's weird when you have a kid too, because you're looking at it, you're like, did you get that from me or is that just you?

[Miles]

I talk like, what level of this do I need to, like, put effort into? Like, I want you to be the best possible, but how can I do that in a non.

[Joey Avery]

Because you also don't know what they're going to come download floated with. Right? So like, my. My son might be just like a malleable introvert, extrovert, dial. And if I am like, oh, should I think about making it more extroverted? Is that a. Is that a more positive quality or is it just what it is? My wife is more introverted. Like, I don't think it's a negative quality, but, like, just by being around me, will that dial get changed?

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

Or is he just a fixed introvert or a fixed extrovert and nothing I do will change it at all? And it's like, you have no idea.

[Miles]

No idea.

[Joey Avery]

I talked to this anthropologist that adopted a daughter. Daughter, and she had made this comment where she was like, it was really nice adopting because every trait that my daughter had, I just saw it for who she was at no point was I inflicting my own ego onto my kid, being like, you're stubborn because of your dad, or you're stubborn because of me or whatever. It's just like, you're stubborn.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

And you can kind of remove yourself, which I actually think is like, yeah.

[Miles]

You can kind of, you know, with your. Your partner, be like, only those biological parents.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Those folks must go, oh, we got.

[Miles]

All some wild genes on this list.

[Joey Avery]

Exactly. Which I think is almost a better way to approach kids. Just, like, pretend they're adopted. Stop applying your own ego to it and just be like, hey, you are your own human, and I'm going to do my best to make you the best human you can be.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And not inflicting my own self where, like, oh, I hate the things about you that are similar to me. Da, da. That bring up my own insecurities or vice versa.

[Miles]

Right.

[Joey Avery]

So I'm, like, trying to do that now, where I'm like, okay, I'm just going to try to make sure.

[Miles]

That's tough. I mean, that's the thing that happens with, you know, a lot of parents.

[Joey Avery]

Of course. You know, you see, your kid is so much like you. Like, I mean, I feel like most kids do this with their parents. Like, the parent that you're most like is the one you butt heads with. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And so I'm like, okay, I'm just going to just accept you for whatever the thing is that you are and then try to make you as good of a human as possible.

[Miles]

Do you think your parents were, like, considering these sorts of things when raising you?

[Joey Avery]

I think psychology was invented in 2007, dude. Okay. Right.

[Miles]

I don't know if these conversations were happening. Yeah. I could be completely wrong about that. I'm speaking out of school, but, like, yeah, even the concept that a dad cares enough to think about it feels potentially new. Yeah. I see these articles that, you know, I can never totally tell if it's true or not, but there will be these articles every once in a while that are like, you know, millennial dads are spending, like, 95 more time with their children.

[Joey Avery]

The bar is so low. I'll walk around my baby strapped to my chest, and the amount of, like, men that will come up to me, like, old dudes and be like, man, I wish I could. I wish I did this.

[Miles]

Really.

[Joey Avery]

And I'm like, what do you.

[Miles]

They'll just come up to you, say that.

[Joey Avery]

And then women will come up to me and be like, you're the best dad. I'm like, you.

[Miles]

You're like, all I did is not drop it and brought it to a coffee house.

[Joey Avery]

Little do you know, I was gone for three days and I got shit faced on the road and now I'm back. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

Like little, I puked in a Portland made Airbnb, allegedly, and they blamed it on my friend.

[Joey Avery]

But like, like they'll see me and be like, oh, you're the best dad. And I'm assuming this is like from a bygone era where women just raise kids and the dads worked and they never really conflated them. There's a guy that goes to the coffee shop that we go to, he's an older dude and he was like, yeah, I never did this with my kid. He's like, I never even crossed my mind. And I wish that it did. I wish that I just bringing it.

[Miles]

Like to a coffee shop for just.

[Joey Avery]

The morning and just hung out with my baby. Like, I only like invested time in my kid once. They were like, like 8, 9, 10. Wow. Prior to that it was just like, oh, you are your mom.

[Miles]

Layoff. Nine years of like. No, that's woman stuff.

[Joey Avery]

That was the whole.

[Miles]

And it was just like, it needs to throw a ball now. All right, finally.

[Joey Avery]

That was like all of America until very recently, I think.

[Miles]

I think also some of, some of it is we've become more emotionally intelligent. There's more intelligence, information. There's more, yeah. Demands. But also like for a lot of people, I mean, I think about my grandpa's era, it was like they were at war and then like came back and were the only sole provider for the house. So it was like, you, you go make all the money, you go do all the kids.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. And yeah, probably a lot of that is due to the fact like women couldn't really work back then. So it's like you had to do everything right. And so if you can't work, then you have to take care of this.

[Miles]

It didn' strike me that like they were off, off, you know, I mean like, it was.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, they were busy.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But it was just like a completely different like, like structure to how like kids should be raised, I think.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

And so now I walk around the kid, everyone's like, wow, you're the best. And I'm like, you have no idea. I'm a real piece of little do, you know? And that's all it takes. You got to walk around the kid on your chest. Also, people are so nice. Specifically in the city like, it's shocking how kind people are.

[Miles]

You're the only one with a baby.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, there's a couple every now and again. Like, you'll do like the dad and head nod.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

You walk around, you're doing a dad.

[Miles]

Dad thing in New York City.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, yeah. You see another dad, you're like, what's up?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

It's like you're like a black dude abroad, you know, I mean, you see another black guy, like, what's up? You know, so it's like me, like seeing a dad, like, hey. And. Yeah. You just walk around with them and people are. I've never been respected more. It is crazy. Like, little kids are celebrities. Yes. Like, they have a celebrity aura around them. Just being a cute kid. People see you, they're like, oh, my God.

[Miles]

And it highlights like a version of if someone's in a coffee shop and they just see you, they're like, hippie. And then. But if they see you with a baby, they're like, that's an involved. That's a good. Yeah, yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But I'll walk around with the baby. And people are so respectful. Like, I'm crossing the street, there's this dude, face tattoos, sitting in his car, blasting music.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

7:30Am I'm walking across the street. He sees me, stops the car, like at the crosswalk, stops, turns the music down.

[Miles]

I walk past him like, thank you, sir.

[Joey Avery]

I felt like a rod, dude. Yeah. People just like, yeah, dude. It was amazing. Like, I feel like the mayor of New York. Everyone's just.

[Miles]

I think that's a Jeter commercial.

[Joey Avery]

What's the difference?

[Miles]

There's a large difference.

[Joey Avery]

Name the starting lineup.

[Miles]

Batting second, Derek Jeter. I watched some of the Subway Series at a, at a bar last night because it was Yankees, Mets. And it was fun. It was like, it's fun getting into baseball. It does feel like old timey.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah.

[Miles]

It's like watching and then like, you know, the Yankees won and they're playing Sinatra in the bar. And I was like, that's. That's five. That's cool.

[Mark Gagnon]

This is your first baseball season in New York.

[Miles]

It's not. I actually watched the Yankees lose in the playoffs at that same bar like last year. But it's fun. I want to go to some games. I actually am thinking of going to the Knicks, like, playoff game one watch party on Wednesday where I think that outside of msg, they have like, hundreds of people. I've seen those videos there and I'm kind of curious to like, ch. I don't know if I want to watch the whole game there, but I kind of want to just check it out if it's free and just see the energy out there.

[Joey Avery]

Joe, if you show up outside of MSG to the Knicks watch party, you're going to watch the whole thing.

[Miles]

And I. And I would love that. And maybe I will do that.

[Joey Avery]

I don't think they'll let you leave. They be like, no, no good. You have to watch this whole thing.

[Miles]

Get in here.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. Get. You're going to be stuck in the middle.

[Miles]

It's exciting. I like nothing awakens a city like some sports success.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, I'm. I'm weirdly getting invested, I feel.

[Miles]

Do you want to go to the watch party? You won't go.

[Joey Avery]

I want to. I want to do everything.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But I have to be a father. I have. I hang with my kid and do pods and do standup and then that's all.

[Miles]

Yeah. Have the kid. So.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, it sounds nice. Yeah. Oh, let's bring the kid. Yeah, that'd be fun.

[Miles]

That would actually be crazy.

[Joey Avery]

What time is the game? It's late.

[Miles]

It might be probably like eight.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. It's past his bedtime.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

But he can sleep on me, right, baby? Baby where he sleeps. Yeah, it's fine.

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Well, Joseph, thank you so much for joining me.

[Miles]

Thanks for having me, Mark. Yeah. Come out and see me on the Road, joey.com live. Check out my podcast, the Joey Show Show. This was great. Anytime.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah, this is fun. And this is a kind of a. A deviation of our typical format. Again, the. The thought process with this, for anyone that's still tuned in, is doing episodes that are kind of a little bit more topical, a little bit more current, and just kind of like, I don't know, talking to the folks, I'll be honest, I was very happy with some of the feedback on some recent episodes. We had this guy, Honest AV in here last week.

[Miles]

I wanted in here this week, too, brother.

[Joey Avery]

Yes. You guys are both superstars from very different backgrounds. But, yeah, dude, Ave was amazing. And the feedback I got from the episode was really sick. So I appreciate everyone that dropped a comment or even came to the show. There was a guy that came to the show that was like, dude, I never heard of this guy, Honest Dave. And I listened to POD and I thought it was cool. So I checked out the music and I listened to the whole album alone in my truck and cried the whole time.

[Miles]

Whoa.

[Joey Avery]

And I was like, whoa, that's sick as hell. Well, like, the idea that, like, I Put someone onto something, like, unlocked a feeling for him. Like, dude, that's the coolest thing ever.

[Miles]

It's incredible. People have come out to my shows and been like, I heard you on camp.

[Joey Avery]

No.

[Miles]

Yes.

[Joey Avery]

Really?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

I'm blown away by that shout out.

[Miles]

To some of the homies at Zany Chicago. Yeah. They were like, I love you on camp, dude.

[Joey Avery]

Let the hands free Fleshlight, I think, resonated the hands Free Fleshlight was.

[Miles]

Yeah, I. I guess I got a Fleshlight reference in this one, too. Human Fleshlight this time. So. So we're really building a beautiful.

[Joey Avery]

And we're looking for sponsorship from Fleshlight if you guys want to keep these. These references rolling. And then even the episode I did with my buddy Kristoff on the road out in a patch of grass somewhere, we recorded outside of a hotel in Alpharetta, Georgia. It turned out to be a great combo. Let me talk about Universe 25. And the feedback on that was great as hell.

[Miles]

I'm trying to think Universe 25. That seems like a long question.

[Joey Avery]

I'll send you the link. Yeah, I'll send you the link. But, yeah, I mean, the people. People were being very funny. They're like, this is the closest pod we've had to actually camping outdoors. Yeah. That was from Shafat to 9328. And then I'm trying to think there was some other funny ones that people liked. And people are like, yo, when are you interviewing the Pope? Working on it.

[Miles]

Could happen.

[Joey Avery]

Yeah. He's like a. He's a homie.

[Miles]

Chicago boy.

[Joey Avery]

Fucking shy town White Sox.

[Miles]

Fact that he went to Villanova along with, like, some of the worst girls from my high school. So fucking hilarious.

[Joey Avery]

Which is just proof that he needs to be pope.

[Miles]

Yeah. 100.

[Joey Avery]

If he can survive Villanova. If he can handle Villanova, he won't be tempted by anything. You know what I mean?

[Miles]

Yeah.

[Joey Avery]

Finally found the zipper for the tent. Says Teriyaki God. Well, I would love to know what you guys thought of this episode. Please drop a comment. I will be reading all of them, the good and the bad and the sexual. So try to make them all good or sexual. Thank you guys so much. There's been another episode of camp, and I'll see you later. Peace be with you. What's up, people? Quick announcement. If you are a fan of Camp Gagnon or Religion Camp, I have great news, because we are dropping History Camp. That's right. This is the channel. We're going to be exploring the most interesting, fascinating, controversial topics from all time throughout all history, right? You probably know about Benjamin Franklin, I don't know, Thomas Jefferson, Nikola Tesla. Interesting figures from history, and you probably learned about them in school, and they were pretty boring, but not here. Now, as you know, I was raised by a conspiracy theorist, so I'm going to be diving deep into all of the interesting, strange, occult, and secretive societal relationships that all of these famous, influential men from our shared past have. So if you're interested, please go ahead and subscribe to the YouTube channel. It will be pinned in the description as well as the comments. And if you're on Spotify, this doesn't really apply to you, but these episodes will be dropping as well. Just go ahead and give us a high rating because it really helps the show.