Chinese Gangster On Ex-Boss Surviving a Headshot, Turf Wars, and Chinatown Gangs

Summary

Camp Gagnon Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Chinese Gangster On Ex-Boss Surviving a Headshot, Turf Wars, and Chinatown Gangs
Release Date: March 13, 2025
Host: Mark Gagnon
Guest: Peter Chin

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Introduction

In this gripping episode of Camp Gagnon, host Mark Gagnon engages in a deep and revealing conversation with Peter Chin, the former leader of one of New York City's most notorious Chinese gangs in Chinatown—the Ghost Shadows. Peter shares his tumultuous journey from a poverty-stricken childhood in Hong Kong to the perilous life of gang leadership in America, offering listeners an unfiltered glimpse into the underbelly of Chinatown's criminal landscape.

Early Life in Hong Kong

Peter Chin begins by recounting his humble beginnings in Hong Kong, a place he describes as "a dirt poor place, nothing but farming" (00:09). Born into a large family with four sisters, Peter's childhood was marked by hardship and the absence of his father, who left shortly after his birth. At the age of eight, Peter immigrated to the United States with his mother and siblings, seeking a better life.

Notable Quote:
"I never saw my father until I came here at eight years old. Everything changed." (00:24)

Struggles in the United States

Upon arriving in Chinatown, Peter faced significant challenges. He attended school but was quickly involved in a fight on his first day, leading to corporal punishment by the principal. This incident left a lasting impact on him, fueling his resentment and shaping his future choices.

Notable Quote:
"I punched the teacher after they whipped me. That was the day I decided school wasn't for me." (12:14)

Introduction to Gang Life

By his early teens, Peter found himself on the streets, struggling to survive. At 13, he encountered Spirit, a member of the Ghost Shadows, who introduced him to the gang life. Initially reluctant, Peter was drawn into acts of robbery and eventually rose through the ranks to lead the Ghost Shadows.

Notable Quote:
"I never intended to join the gang, but circumstances pushed me into a life I couldn't escape." (23:22)

Criminal Activities and Leadership

As the leader of the Ghost Shadows, Peter orchestrated numerous gambling house robberies across Chinatown. He emphasized targeting establishments where gamblers could afford to lose money, demonstrating a twisted sense of ethics within the criminal realm.

Notable Quote:
"We targeted gambling houses because the patrons had money they were willing to spend." (44:43)

Under Peter's leadership, the Ghost Shadows expanded their operations, including money lending with high-interest rates—crucial for maintaining the gang's financial stability. This move marked a shift from outright violence to more sophisticated financial crimes.

Notable Quote:
"Lending money was a safer business. It allowed us to make money without the constant bloodshed." (57:44)

Turf Wars and Power Struggles

The Ghost Shadows faced fierce competition from other gangs like the Black Eagles and Flying Dragons. Peter describes intense turf wars that often resulted in violence and betrayal within the community. These conflicts were further complicated by law enforcement crackdowns, particularly with the introduction of the RICO Act, which Peter felt was overreaching and backfired by targeting not just organized crime but also legitimate unions.

Notable Quote:
"The RICO law was supposed to target the mafia, but it went after us too, making everything worse." (64:58)

The Nightclub and Italian Connections

In his adult years, Peter ventured into the nightclub business, initially reluctant due to his disdain for drinking. However, under pressure from rival gangs like United Bamboo, he acquired the Golden Taipei club in Manhattan. This move was strategic, providing a legitimate front for the Ghost Shadows and facilitating connections with Italian mobsters.

Notable Quote:
"Owning a nightclub wasn't my choice, but it became essential for our operations and alliances." (63:20)

Conflict with Nikki Louie and Leadership Challenges

Peter recounts a pivotal moment when Nikki Louie, a fellow gang leader, attempted to seize control of the Ghost Shadows. Despite their history and mutual respect, tensions escalated, leading to violent confrontations. Peter emphasizes his reluctance to betray his own code of honor, even as leadership dynamics shifted violently around him.

Notable Quote:
"I respect my elders, but anyone who betrays our code is fair game." (94:36)

Reflections and Psychological Impact

Throughout the conversation, Peter reflects on the psychological toll of his actions and the constant threat of violence. From witnessing murders to orchestrating hits on rivals, the life he led left indelible scars. Despite the wealth and power gained, Peter expresses a sense of emptiness and regret over the lives lost and the destruction caused.

Notable Quote:
"Every life taken in this game weighs heavy on my conscience. It's a burden I carry every day." (125:14)

Conclusion

Mark Gagnon wraps up the episode by acknowledging the depth and complexity of Peter Chin's story. Peter's candid revelations offer listeners an authentic portrayal of gang life, marked by loyalty, betrayal, and the relentless pursuit of power. The episode serves as a poignant exploration of how circumstances can drive individuals into lives of crime and the enduring impact of those choices.

Final Quote:
"My story isn't just about crime; it's about survival, loyalty, and the choices that define us." (172:34)

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Note: This summary excludes all advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections to focus solely on the substantive dialogue between Mark Gagnon and Peter Chin.

Transcript

[Mark Gagnon]

You were the leader of one of the most notorious gangs in all of New York City. Specifically a Chinese gang in Chinatown. Take me all the way back. You were born in Hong Kong.

[Peter Chin]

It was a dirt poor place. Nothing but farming. I came to the United States when I was 8 years old. I never see my father. I'm ready for my life to change. ABC Sundays, American Idol is all new. Give it your all.

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

Let's hear it.

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

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[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

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[Peter Chin]

My life before, until when I came here, my friend had a Dillinger. Have you ever shot a gun? I just shot a gun. I never touched a gun before. I even come close to them, they see me coming. So they pull out those guns and start shooting at me. Fire all my shotguns, right? Nobody got hit. I'm a lousy jeweler.

[Mark Gagnon]

This gambling house robbery, what did you do?

[Peter Chin]

It's out of hand now. A lot more than what I expected, Right. I didn't plan to bring a duffel bag or anything. Right.

[Mark Gagnon]

An average gambling house robbery, would it be like 20,000, 50,000, 170,000 in one night? And how did you find people to loan money to?

[Peter Chin]

I don't find out. They coming to you. If he don't pay off the thousand, he could pay the interest.

[Mark Gagnon]

And so you took the money that you had got from the business.

[Peter Chin]

I bought that nightclub not because I want it. I'm not a drinker.

[Mark Gagnon]

The guy that sold you the nightclub, you eventually had to go kidnap him?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Why?

[Peter Chin]

I had a handshake with him. That's it. He told me a five year lease, but it's only two years.

[Mark Gagnon]

Peter Chin. How are you, sir?

[Peter Chin]

Oh, great, great, great. Nice to Meet you.

[Mark Gagnon]

Great to meet you as well. Thank you so much for. Thank you so much for joining me today here in the tent. You have a fascinating story that you've put in this book here in the Ghost Shadows.

[Peter Chin]

Okay.

[Mark Gagnon]

You have a fascinating life where you were the leader of one of the most notorious gangs in all of New York City, specifically a Chinese gang in Chinatown. And your story is absolutely amazing. So take me all the way back. You were born in Hong Kong.

[Peter Chin]

Yes, I was. And I was born in Hong Kong. And they call this section called New Territory. Like certain sections, they have a name for it. Right. I'm not too familiar with Hong Kong, but that back then in those days, it was a dirt poor place, nothing but farming.

[Mark Gagnon]

Nothing but farming.

[Peter Chin]

Farming. And while I was living there with my mom and my sister while we were growing up, I came to the United States when I was eight years old. So during that time, eight years old, I have not seen one car came in.

[Mark Gagnon]

Never saw a car.

[Peter Chin]

Never saw a car. In our section where we live, it.

[Mark Gagnon]

Was just goats and cows.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, you see a lot of cows?

[Mark Gagnon]

Cow shit.

[Peter Chin]

You see a lot of cows? Yes. Seriously, it's not a rich place or anything like that? You could say poor, you know, and third row, they don't have a concrete road. People walk those dirt and then make it solid. Yeah. Because there's nothing there except. Yeah, farming.

[Mark Gagnon]

Were your parents involved in farming?

[Peter Chin]

No, see, my mom, See, my father left while, you know, about after I was born. Yeah. And then he left. I never seen my father in my life before until when I came here, eight years old. So he left while. When I was born, I guess.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow. And your mom, what does she do for work?

[Peter Chin]

She. No, my mom, when my mom was in Hong Kong, she can't do nothing, but she does. I have four sisters and I. And the fifth one, I'm the last one, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

The only boy.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. And only boy. So I'm the last one. And then until my mother got here in the United States, she had a baby sister. That's it. Right. But look, so four sisters and me and way around about the ages, like two, three years. Two, three years, you know, way about that. So she basically was staying home and watch us, you know, because, you know, we don't have. We don't have no nanny to watch us. So then she does like, she do like she raised like a pig a little bit, you know, one, two, pig does it and then sell them. Right. So.

[Mark Gagnon]

And did you have to take care of the pigs?

[Peter Chin]

No, the pig One time, the pig, like, seemed. I stuck my hand and there was two pigs. So the pig, like, got a little rough with me, right? So I was young, like maybe I was maybe five or something. I remember that I found a stick and whip chasing her around. Yeah, yeah. But look, going back to those days when I was in Hong Kong, right, where I was living with my mother, I never had a kite. Not even a kite. And after I came out of prison, I said to myself, and that's always my dream when I was young. And I watch other kids, right? And then they fly in kite and I stand next to them and then watching those kite. Very colorful up there. But I don't have one, right? And they let me play a little bit, and then, you know, that's it. And I didn't have no toy nothing.

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

All right. Well, basically is a hill wax. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just nothing. Nothing. I. I mean, so nothing. Basically nothing. We play what, jumping around and so on like that. That's it.

[Mark Gagnon]

And you went to school in. In Hong Kong for one day.

[Peter Chin]

One day. Now listen, I was so excited, I wanted to go to school.

[Mark Gagnon]

Your sisters went to school?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, they went to school. Yeah. So that's why I don't know any Chinese, right. I don't know how to read and write. But as I grew, I learned it from songs, you know. But it's not a lot compared to people educated. So the first day I went to school that night my mother, you know, got the uniform ready for me, right? You know, in Hong Kong, the weather is always hot. So the shorts, I remember, it's blue. The little short. And I mean, I weigh 60 pounds back then. Yeah. Skinny small. So then I had a white shirt, right? White shirt and a little tie or something like that. So now that night when my mother hanged a suit, I couldn't sleep. I was so excited. I wanted to go to school, right? Because I'm here, I'm with my mother in this place. I don't see nothing. So only just you and the pigs.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Chin]

So okay. I was so excited. Then my mother dressed me up and then she put on a sandal, usually because it's hot over there. So people don't hardly wear long sleeve. Yeah, they would usually wear short sleeve. And she put on the sandal. And then she put on one, no problem. The second one got a hole on the bottom, right? I said, mom, there's a hole there. Just wear it for today. Right? Just so I'll get. I never asked my mother for anything. Even though I don't have any toy. I never, like asked her. Oh, Buy me this, buy me that. No, I never asked her. So even when I was young, I realized what's going on. But then. So my mother actually took care of the family, the children, right. She got a handful of it. So whatever she could do, make extra money, right? So the pig, that's how the pig came in place. And she do a sewing like those bees, you know, like bees, yeah. And that's what she does to make extra money. What. How she. We survived through those times. My grandfather was there for pretty, pretty long time, so he sent money back.

[Mark Gagnon]

Okay.

[Peter Chin]

My grandfather.

[Mark Gagnon]

Because your grandfather was in America?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he came from. Yeah, yeah. He was here before us, so he sent a little money back. So using that money to raise us, you know, my mother can't go to work. Who's going to look after the kids? Everybody's about that age. So when we landed here. Wow. I saw Chinatown where we're living, right? That building, sixth floor.

[Mark Gagnon]

Before you get to moving to the US when you go to school, you have a hole in your sandal and you go to school and on your first day of school, you get in a fight.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, because I don't know that guy. What happened was in Hong Kong, all school will make you sing the anthem or something like that, right? About school anthem or. Yeah, I think it's a school anthem. So boys one side, girl one side, one line. So the teacher's in the middle. So the guy lines up like from short and then little tall, like keep going up, right? So he's taller than me, the guy. And he's heavier than me, bigger than me. He pushed me. So it had a domino effect. So what happened? And I fell on the guy in front of me, he fell on that. So it went all the way down to the teacher. So I didn't. Now I didn't look at the teacher no more because I got up, I swing back, I hit him on the face, right? Punch him. The teacher saw it. So. So took me immediately to the principal office, right? So they had, they had those. Is it whip? Yeah, so yeah, a whip. Like sticks, you know, bamboo stick, Right. They had all kind of side.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Thin, thick. So she took one like pretty in the middle. Then if she supposed to, I think whack me like for five times. Because in Hong Kong they whack you, there's nothing you could do.

[Mark Gagnon]

Those days, they don't do that in America.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. Even those days in the 60s, maybe, maybe, yeah. Wow. So, yeah, now they don't do it doing. But back then, so by the time she got to whack me three times on the head. Put your hand out. She hold my hand and start whacking. Wow. It hurt so much. Tear coming out. I cried. I just took my hand. I left, right? I ran back to my mother because my mother never seen me cry like that. Because I'm not a troublemaker. My mother know that. Hey, son, why are you crying? You're supposed to be in school. I'm not going to school. I was scared of whip.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, of course.

[Peter Chin]

So then, no. I told my mother what happened. My mother said, no, come with me to school. And when she said that, I put my brick on. I don't want to go. I want to pull back. Right, Mom? Don't forget it. Don't go. Because the whip. I was thinking about it. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

They're gonna whip you and your mom. You're like, whoa.

[Peter Chin]

I was young, you know, So I was. I was only like 6 years old. So, no, I was scared of whip. So, no, no, no. So she pulled me. She pulled me. And then I walked with her to the back to the school. Went to the principal office, right. The teacher, and asked her, so now you punish my son and you don't punish the other guy? Oh, I don't see it. Which is true, that he shouldn't see it, but it takes two.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. Of course, he didn't just fight him for no reason.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then my mother said so, because we was submitting all those paper coming to just try to. We were just waiting to get approved, and we'll come to the United States. So my mother was thinking, I guess, go to school or not go to school, it don't make no difference no more because he's not going to finish here. We're going to buy a leave within three months, so he's not going to finish the whole year we're in there. Then she says, right, okay. You're not going to punish that guy. Okay. My son's not going to come to school. Not going to come to school no more. Wow. I was happy. Wow.

[Mark Gagnon]

No more. No more whips.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. No more whips. And then there you go. Then I stay home with my mom. I go to the. You know, go to the hill, and I don't know, but there's nothing for me to play. But just I was young, you know, jumping around. And then, you know.

[Mark Gagnon]

And then you come to New York City.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. When I was 8 years old. Well, I didn't go to school for, like, she didn't think it was that thick, that long. It took about two years. Yeah. Before they let us come to the United States. It's approved. I mean, so when I got to here, we landed at Chinatown, right? East Broadway. I don't know if you know that. Yeah, yeah, you do.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Okay. So right by the Manhattan Bridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just right by there. So we land there. Wow. I looked at that building, right? But it's old building, you know, I didn't know. I don't know anything better. Wow. So tall. This morning, sixth floor. Sixth floor. And I said, wow, so tall. Yeah. I was amazed And I was trying to study, right? And slightly. Wow. So now my father was there already waiting for us, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

You meet him for the first time.

[Peter Chin]

First time, right. So I didn't know. So wow. I said, look at this. I told my sister, look at this. The bed is totally different. They got spring, right? We slept on the board. We got no swing. No, we don't have no swing. So let's say that section of the place, Hong Kong those days is dirt poor place, you know, everybody make it, you know, try to make it, whatever they got, you know. So when you're happy, it's okay. So now when I look at a building, Wow. I say the word when I look at it. I don't. Empire State Building. Like, you know, the six buildings, six floors. But this is big for me the first time. So we went to the apartment. My grandfather, my grandmother was living there. So now my father lived there. Now he went to Brazil. I don't know when he got to New York. I think probably a short time.

[Mark Gagnon]

He went to Brazil?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. First he wasn't in New York, he was in Brazil. So when we immigrated here, right. Probably he knows. I'm sure he knows. So he meet up somewhere. But at first he was in Brazil. So. Wow. The swing bet, right? So I jump up, right? The bet. And then chief Jeffrey up and down. Oh, he go. He screamed the shit out of me. Wow. He. So okay, okay. I was. Then I still don't know. Who is he? I still don't know. My mother never say nothing. So the same day at night, right? We came, we landed like 10:00, 11:00. So by like 4:00, 5:00, we go dinner. They take us out to dinner. Then my father was sitting across the table, right? Everybody was there. Then my mother said, you know who that person is? No. He said, that's your father. My father? What father? I didn't know what father was. Nobody told me that. I Don't know what the word father was. That's how naive I was. I told you, when I left the street, my father forced me to, you know, that night he came after me with a knife and talking shit to him. So I know there's no return. So I went downstairs.

[Mark Gagnon]

Your dad pulls a knife on you?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he was in the kitchen. Did like. Basically, this thing is not about me, you know, he whipped me, like, from time to time, but no reason. If I go to school, I play hockey, right. I cut school, right. And I could see that, man. And I don't. You don't need to explain to me. You could whip me either, but not once.

[Mark Gagnon]

You did nothing wrong.

[Peter Chin]

Nothing.

[Mark Gagnon]

And he was just angry.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, because, see, he has a temper. Like, well, he got a bad temper, but it's. It's. I. I wouldn't do that. That's why when people read. Finished reading my book, I said, don't do what my father did because it's going to ruin the whole family. So, you know. Yeah, Actually, my mom. I care about my. My. My mom and my sister. And that's why I dedicate this book to them. Because of my father. Could have done. Now he don't need to do any better. Just don't, like. Don't torture us. He did everything. Four of my sister, every one of them, except my baby sister, they all took off. Different year, different day. I took off. Not one stay back.

[Mark Gagnon]

Everyone left.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, but different day. Not like one time.

[Mark Gagnon]

Of course.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Because the last one was. The last one with us was Mary. So she was the third sister. First sister left, then the one with me, twin. Right. She left.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

And then what? Hurt me more. And when I came home, I didn't notice that. So this sister, my second sister. Oh, she's very, very nice. She, like. She's like acting like a mother to me. Right. I said, Nancy. So her name is Nancy. My second sister, you. Not too old for my age, but she care about, you know.

[Mark Gagnon]

She was like a mother to you. Yeah, but everybody left. Everyone dispersed. Because your dad's temper.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, different reason. But to do his violence.

[Mark Gagnon]

Did your mom ever leave?

[Peter Chin]

Well, he put my mother in hospital. Those are like mental hospital for three years. And my second sister, Nancy, she go and visit her every day, bring her food. Yeah, yeah. She.

[Mark Gagnon]

No reason, you know, so now you're like, you're young. You're maybe like 8 or 9 years old. And now you're on the street.

[Peter Chin]

No, I was on the street. Thirteen.

[Mark Gagnon]

At 13.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Okay.

[Peter Chin]

So you know during that time I was. They put me in a PS school. What's those?

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[Mark Gagnon]

It goes.

[Peter Chin]

How do you say it?

[Mark Gagnon]

The PS like elementary school.

[Peter Chin]

Elementary school. Yeah, they threw me in there. Right. So.

[Mark Gagnon]

Or middle school maybe.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, not middle school. Right.

[Mark Gagnon]

It was elementary school at 13 Fourth Way. Yeah, elementary school.

[Peter Chin]

Elementary. Right. So I mean even though I don't speak a word in English. Right. They put you there because of your age. So they put us there and within two years I left already. Right. And those school actually there's two famous school in high school. There's two high school in Maryland, Lower east side. Right. All the gangsters come from those school.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh really?

[Peter Chin]

All.

[Mark Gagnon]

So at your high school or at your elementary school, it's all different gangsters?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, I mean all gangster. Black Eagle, White Eagle, the Ghost Shadow or whatever they came from Sewer park school. High school or 65 junior high. 65. Those two school breathe. Gangster. Wow, they all came from there. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

When was the first time you met a gangster that was involved in the Ghost Shadows?

[Peter Chin]

The guy. The guy named Spirit. Spirit, yeah, AKA Spirit. The middle name is John Chan. John Johnny Chan. CX A N. But yeah, he got killed. He took me in. Yeah, he took me in. Accident.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you're on the street and he's like, hey, you can stay with me.

[Peter Chin]

No, I asked him for help.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh wow.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, it's a Long story. So you wanted me to go back from the beginning. Right. When I first got there. So I jump up and down the swing, right. Matches. Oh, he cursed the shit out of me. And wow, who's this guy? So I still don't know. So when we went to eat dinner that night, then my mother. That's your father. I swear I don't know what a father was. That word. I think he's mean. That's it. Also a mean person. That's a father. I didn't know. So that's how the year I was. So he has a bad timbre. Whatever he could. He don't have to. If he don't do what he do, maybe we have a better life.

[Mark Gagnon]

Maybe.

[Peter Chin]

So my sister Nancy, that night we went help my mother in the factory, the garment factory. And she is the last section, like putting those plastic bag and you know, ship them out. So back then Chinatown, they had a lot, a lot of factory. And because of China, it didn't open up yet. They did send nothing to China, but it had a lot of. They had a lot of garments that go out, right? Yeah. So being that my mother by herself, there's no way she could do it. You got to put. I got a price stack. You got to maybe button those things. And no, one person cannot do it. And she gonna stand all day. You can't sit and do those things. She got to put those pins. Right.

[Mark Gagnon]

She's working hard.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. And she works out like 16 hours. No bullshit. 16 hours, 18 hours. Because while I was going to school, at first, at the beginning, I asked my mother, no, you're too young. Because my mother had my older sister, those three helping her those days. So while they got. When I stepped in there, helped my mother. My other sister looked for something else to do, you know, like. Right. So. So, because helping my mother is when I ask my mother for money. No. Right. So my other sister went to factory job. So she do a hemming, you know, like different. I put button on or something. So when I asked my mother, no, you're too young. You can't. You can't. Don't come. So I waited a little longer, and as soon as I got out of school, I didn't care. I just went up there ever since I went up there and put those back.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you start working.

[Peter Chin]

Wow. So fast. I was young. I was fast.

[Mark Gagnon]

Like 12 years old doing work.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Because she stayed there till like, even though I had school day. Right. But she got to make this Shipment for tonight. Tomorrow morning, they come and pick up those garments and ship them out. Those days, a lot like every day, 2,000 pieces, thousand 500 pieces every day you got.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, I mean, it's just an insane, like. So, like you're growing up in Hong Kong, you're doing fine. Not going to school, you don't like school. And then you come to America. It's this whole new place. You see this whole world. There's so much opportunity. And you re. You meet your father, but you don't have any connection with him. He's very angry. All your sisters, all your mom, everyone's scared of him. Yeah, everybody leaves. And now you're going to school, but you don't speak any English, so obviously you're not doing that good in school. And you eventually meet some other Chinese kids that are at the school, right? And they're, you know, some of them are involved in some of these organizations.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what happened was that I have a friend and I didn't join nobody yet. I was still. Back then, I was still helping my mother. So from time to time, the Black Eagle, they come and ask me, hey, hang out with us. Because those days, the Black Eagle and White Eagle, like, they are brothers, little brother and older brother. So they together. So White Eagles and Black Eagles, yeah, they together. But they had two groups. So then from time to time, I didn't have those time. I just. I was thinking about. I helped my mother. I had no intention of doing nothing else because I see how hard my mother is working. So all the money that she worked, she made. She spent it on us. She never spent money on it. So. So, yeah, So I don't. No, no, no, I don't. I was thinking about, you know, helping my mother. So I didn't know that. That. That side of world, like gangster, right? I didn't know. But I watched a movie. Yeah, I know that they no good, they're bad people, right? That's how I think. But I didn't know. So I denied him a lot of time, you know, I always say, no.

[Mark Gagnon]

Come hang out with us. Come hang out.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. So now I had a friend that. Just a friend in school. He's not like with anybody. He's just a schoolboy. So one day I wasn't there in school, so he grabbed my friend. That the guy? So my friend asked him, this is what he told me, though. Ask him where I'm at, where he went. He said, I don't know. He said, I don't know. The Black Eagle asked him, where's Pete? I didn't have. They didn't call me kid yet. Where's Pete? Said, I don't know. Actually, he don't know. So they beat him up, right, so bad. Busted the lip, eye popped out, black and blue. Wow. But when I came to meet him, I didn't know that happened. I said, look, what the fuck? What happened to you? Oh, they came down, they asked for you. I told them, I don't know. They beat the shit out of me. What? I said, listen, okay. Do you want revenge? You know, like how Chinese they eye for an eye. You know, like kung fu movie. You kill my teacher, I will kill you.

[Mark Gagnon]

You beat up my friend, I'm gonna beat you up.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, because young, we watch a lot of movies. That's how we did. Okay, so it was with him, it wasn't with me. They didn't beat me up. But I said I felt that what he says too, I still have some kind of responsibility. And that's why how he got beat up. So I asked him, seriously, I forgot his name already, ever since that day. So I asked him, do you want revenge? He said, yeah. So okay, I don't know, does it work? I said, I seen this guy talk to my sister. And one of my sister, she's twin with me, right? Same age. Me and her, they're twins? Yeah, one boy, one girl. So I said, okay, I saw, she took off before me. So the. The twin, she took off before me. So I asked. One day I was walking with my mom coming back from a factory. And I saw her talking with this guy, Spirit. His AKA name Spirit. So he got long hair, right? Real long hair and button shirts, like to hair, right? Unbuttoned hair. You could tell that he wears a nice clothes. You could tell that he is not normal. You could say, right? So after they finished, when my sister come home, I asked her, who's that guy you talk to? Oh, he's a gangster. That's it. And I don't know what a gangster was, right? Okay, so he's a gangster. So as time went on, I watched movie, a lot of movies. We never had TV back then, right? In Hong Kong? No. Now we got tv. My grandfather had tv. You know, those big Sony. Yeah. Oh, so. So now you want revenge? Yeah. Okay, so I found. I. I found Spirit. Now they had a ghost shadow down. But their name, it was a popular. You don't handle much. So now Black Eagle, White Eagle and Flying Dragon, they was more popular with names, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

So these are different gangs with more of a presence.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, they usually. But like, they are popular. Like, you can hear them names. But Ghost Shadow nobody hear. But they start to hear them. So I asked them, spirit. So I found. I said, you think you could do me a favor? Do you have guns? Do you have guns? He said, for what? He says he know who I was. My sister. I'm the brother. So. Because he know my sister, right? So while this time, Ghost Shadow was having war with the Black Eagle and White Eagle and also the flying Jedi. So I told him what happened. Wow, this is the best chance. Oh, go. So what happened was I explained to my friend, Capita blah, blah, blah, from the Black Eagle because they're having war. I didn't know that. So. But I didn't care because I asked my friend, he want revenge, fine. So I'm going to help you take this revenge. So I says, so, okay. So, okay, I told him the story. So he took me to an apartment, right? And the guy there bought a bag of. And then he looked at it and he gave me more. Have you ever shot a gun? I said, shot a gun? I never touched a gun. I let a long shot. He told me, oh, this is how you do it, right? You click it, then, you know, pull back this trigger. So, okay. Then he gave me one and gave the guy one. My friend had a Dillinger that, you know, two bullet. Okay, So I want the one with more bullets. Yeah. So I took the.22. Long those days. Yeah. So back then, gun was. They had guns, but not always had guns. You know what I'm saying? As time went on, they got more better guns. So they gave me two guns. And then he said, when you finish, bring it back to me. Okay? I said, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, wow. Why not now you got somebody doing the job for you. Yeah, that was it. So he gave it to me, but I didn't care. So now we walk. I told my friend, I said, listen, you want this, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So now you see me shoot. This is the first time I shot a gun. So we went back to the street where the Black Eagle hangs out and.

[Mark Gagnon]

How you're how old? You're 13 at this point.

[Peter Chin]

13. Go on. 14. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And your friend still has a black eye from getting beat up.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

So we can't even see.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

I mean, he's shooting with his eyes closed.

[Peter Chin]

He said he wants it, right? Okay. Now he could see, but he bad. He's really bad. Busted lip and everything. So, no, we go to the street. We went Back like not too long, maybe a day or two. That's it. We went back for that revenge. So, okay, I said, you see me shoot, fire the first shot, Just shoot. You don't have too many bullets anyway. You got two. So before I even come close to them, they see me coming, walking down to them, the Black Eagle, right? So they went across a block. Some were standing like opposite side each other. Some of them moved to one side and they went under the car. Under the car, like a van or something like that. I think they taped it, you know, duct taped it over there. So they pull out those guns and start shooting at me. So I fire all my shot away, right? Nobody got hit. I'm a lousy shooter. Yeah, I'm a lousy shooter. You know how many times I shot, Nikki? One, two. One, two, two. One, two. Twice. Two or three times. And I never got him.

[Mark Gagnon]

You never shot a gun before though.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, that's the first time.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. So you can. I think it's forgivable, you know, Many times.

[Peter Chin]

Don't hit nothing.

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

So, okay, so nothing hit. They, they did they, they, they. I think they fire us like with two guns at that time. And nothing, nobody got hurt. So when all my bullets gone, so I turned back and I told my friend, if we get lost, we go to this place, like close by to the school, right? So we discussed that. And certain places we go and meet up. When he meet up with me, okay, give me the gun, I got to turn back the gun, right? He know that when I took the gun, I open up, there's two bullets.

[Mark Gagnon]

Come on, bro.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. I said, listen, you don't have to do this. I mean, now you fuck, you got what you made. You made it worse for yourself.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Now me, I already decided what I'm going to do, right? I said, listen. So now up to this point, I don't have a place to sleep. You know what I'm saying? Right? So spirit took me in to go shadow. So after that, you know, he know my sister. So he took me in under his arm. So with him, I talk to. No, I scroll at him, try to put some standing. I said, you know what? You just created an enemy for yourself when you got beat up. They're not going to beat you up again. I don't think so. But listen, you just went back with me. They don't know you fired him or not. They know the bullet, right? They don't see. But you came with me and I fire all those bullets and you just made a whole bunch of enemy that they're going to come after you. So from here on out, I don't want nothing to do with it no more. So I never seen it in my life again. I said, I don't Want this? I said me. It's fine. You could have said no. Right? No. I don't know. You're not capable of doing. You could have told me before. Or halfway. No, no, no, no. Pete, Pete, I don't think I got the heart or whatever. Right, Fine. But no. We went down there and you say you go do what and lucky that none of us got shot or something like that, but you cause more problem for yourself.

[Mark Gagnon]

Right? So listen, you said you wanted revenge, but you were too scared.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. You want it? I could look the other way.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And being. Being scared is okay.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

But don't pretend like you're. Like you're tough and then be scared.

[Peter Chin]

At the very end because you will. You jeopardize yourself and the person that.

[Mark Gagnon]

You know and you.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So watch this. From ever since that day, I never seen this guy again. I don't know where he is, where I don't want him to hear about him. So that's it. And then now it's war now because I just create enemy now because like I told you before, they usually come by the school and like ask me to join them now.

[Mark Gagnon]

Shit, now you're shooting at him?

[Peter Chin]

Now you shooting at him now? Yeah, so. And then, now then you tell spirit.

[Mark Gagnon]

What happens and then Spirit takes you in.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. No, I wasn't going nowhere anyway, so he took me in. Yeah. I told you I didn't have a place to stay when my father chased me out at the house. It was like 10:00 at night. I went to sleep in a park, right? Those bench while I was sleeping. The bum. You know, drink liquor, right? The drunks. Yo, this is my spot. Oh, shit. You take it. I was young. I 90 pounds. I weighed the most. So as day went by and I only had $5 in my pocket, right? And I try to last as long as I can with that $5, which I did back then at times. Brett, the long one, right? It's only 25 cents a loaf. I make sure dinner, breakfast, everything is in there.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Chin]

So 25 cents. And I lasted quite a while. I got five out of my pocket.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow. You couldn't even be homeless. Like the homeless. The homeless guys were like, hey, you got to get off my bed.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he changed me. That's my spot.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you can't even sleep outside in peace.

[Peter Chin]

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[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

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[Mark Gagnon]

I can say to my new Samsung.

[Peter Chin]

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[Mark Gagnon]

Friendly restaurant nearby and text it to Beth and Steve. And it does without me lifting a.

[Peter Chin]

Finger so I can get in more squats anywhere I can.

[Mark Gagnon]

1, 2, 3.

[Peter Chin]

Will that be cash or credit? Credit. 4 Galaxy S25 Ultra the AI companion that does the heavy heavy lifting. So you can do you get [e-mail] compatible with select apps. Requires Google Gemini account. Results may vary based on input. Check responses for accuracy at 17 floor. 20th floor. I found a place in the staircase like high like 16th floor or something. So usually they don't walk. They don't. They don't walk up to the stair or they took the adult so I slept there better than. So I sit there to sleep. Yeah. Then. Then later on Svea took me in and then ever since. That's why I look at my people as like my own brother. My family, Since I was 13, I left my family. My sister, you know the family. If you ask my sister when I came home from prison. Right. You ask if you ask any of my sister what do Pete like and what the senior they don't know, you know better than them about me because I wasn't with them.

[Mark Gagnon]

You never saw them?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, I never with them. When I left home I basically tried to distance them because of. I don't want anything happening with them. If they want they come to me. So there's a contract on me too. Now this is way later when I was 20 something they had a contract on me and.

[Mark Gagnon]

And why do they have a contract on you?

[Peter Chin]

They were on the street. That's the gold mine, the top of the hill. You're sitting up there. You're the king.

[Mark Gagnon]

You want to control the whole street.

[Peter Chin]

Not that I want to we.

[Mark Gagnon]

But that's what you guys did.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, that's what we did.

[Mark Gagnon]

And what was the business that the ghost shadows were doing on the street? Was it gambling?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Back then, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you'd have.

[Peter Chin]

A lawyer says that a lawyer said that to us. A civil lawyer and working with our house lawyer in house lawyer. One day me, Nikki and a few of our guys, the older Guy we was in their office in Columbus Circle over there. His office is up there. So I know he says to Nikki, you could buy McDonald's fungi every two months. That's how much money.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

160,000. Back then it wasn't 2 million, but 160,000. 160,000. So you could buy those rent days. Those days you rent a place like the whole house. Brick house. 350.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

You know those days.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Now the money is not worth nothing. Like, you know what.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, it's different.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow. So in the time basically that like you're 13, 14, you live with spirit, you become a part of the ghost shadows. And then from that point on, it's just living the gang life. You're now you're doing crime. And what is day to day? Are you at that age? Are you still doing missions and crime?

[Peter Chin]

No. What I did early days, I did a lot of robbery, rob. Who is the gambling house. I wouldn't rob an old lady. I wouldn't rob somebody that earned money so hard. But hey, you got money to spend, gamble, give me some. So I did. I robbed. Basically. There's not a place in Chinatown I didn't rob the Gambit. Except one. Uncle Benny, you know who is he? They say that he's the godfather of Chinatown. Oh, he's well respected. So yeah, he. That's how scientists got killed. He got something to do with scientist? Yeah, he got something to do with. He got his hand on it. Because the place he got killed was him, Uncle Benny. And Scientist has the key to that place. This is God's son.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow. That's crazy. So Uncle Benny's respected and so you were like, hey, I don't want to go into. I don't want to go into his.

[Peter Chin]

Right, you want like why are you going to do that for? Right?

[Mark Gagnon]

Like this guy right here?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. Y'uncle Benny. Yeah, that's him. He's very well respected.

[Mark Gagnon]

And he was involved in a gambling house.

[Peter Chin]

He owned. He owned the whole street. Yeah, he's a gangster.

[Mark Gagnon]

Back then, who was he affiliated with?

[Peter Chin]

Who?

[Mark Gagnon]

Uncle Benny. Who was he a part of? He was Ghost Shadow.

[Peter Chin]

No, no, no, no, no. Those are old days. They had two tongues, right? And if you look at the history those two Tongs, he is his brother, his older brother. His older brother had that tong. He had a control. And they have sub chapter in all different states like Houston, you know what I'm saying? Maybe in Boston they had those like branch out.

[Mark Gagnon]

And the Tongs were basically like the family Units that moved from China or Hong Kong, they would come and they would be a part of basically like a family that would help each other out and then they occasionally would turn into organized crime units.

[Peter Chin]

Early days. Yeah. And what it is is like those people come from China, right. And they settle them, they situate them. Not that, you know, you got to pay them back though. You know, like, they probably set you off with money, you know, rent a place, you know, find you a job, something. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

They say, hey, you're from the same area, you're from Beijing, you're from, you know, Hong Kong. So we'll take care of you because you're a part of our tongue.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

But if they give you some money now, you gotta. You gotta get us back at some point.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

You gotta pay it back, you gotta help out.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So I mean, that's, that's reasonable, you know. Yeah. Get something for nothing.

[Mark Gagnon]

So. So when you robbed a gambling house, it was being controlled by black Eagles, Flying Dragons.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And so how would you rob a gambling house? Like, take me through the process. Like just give me an example of one of the gambling house robberies.

[Peter Chin]

Okay. One of them. Why we would. We didn't took control of Mott Street. See, Mott street, remember, is the heart of Chinatown.

[Mark Gagnon]

Mott Street.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Pell street, which is he won. Pell Street. Right. And there's only two gambling houses the most. But Mott street got 11 operating one time.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

Belonged to all of the town. Those two towns start off like they suppose like what you say, right? Help your own people situate or you know, your people because they don't trust American. Yeah. Because back then, when the law is written not for them, you could sue them. You could sue the Chinese. Right. The Chinese cannot sue you. You know that, right.

[Mark Gagnon]

So it's unfair for Chinese people. So they can't really do business with the Americans because it might be unfair.

[Peter Chin]

So they back then, what, they stick together. Yeah. So the tongue settled those things for them. You know, like we're not going to go outside and call the cops, tell the cops come in like that because they don't trust them. So as time went on gradually. Mak Duck. Yeah. Muktuck is an old one too. Like you've seen the black and white movie, Charlie Chan. Yeah, Those days, Muktuck, it was one of the guy in Peoji, he had the tongue war with the Onlong Makdo was. He's known in the history. So yeah, those days, back about those times, that's when they had the War and continuously to even today.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh really? Yeah, even till today. The old tong wars still exist.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, they don't. They don't do it that obviously. Like if you go back to. You read some book that they had a federal judge came to Chinatown. Sit down with them those two tongues and tell them to settle it.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh really?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

A federal judge sat with them and said hey, enough.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Because this is going to destroy the community if you keep going.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

And in total, that's marked up.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

See back in Charlie Jane Day, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. Oh, that's wild. So what is this gambling house robbery? What did you do?

[Peter Chin]

So I mean that's where all the money, that's where the cash. So the one that I robbed, the one that is in the book, we had to take the save out because we don't have the number. So we carry out.

[Mark Gagnon]

How do you go in? So what's the plan and who's doing it? Take me through the whole story.

[Peter Chin]

So basically somebody we gotta. We gotta send somebody in there that you know, usually that a gamble or something and like give us information and then like how many people is there? Basically how much money is there? Is it a lot of money or no money? So now we got everything packed. So now we just plan it and make a move on them. And they got a guy always on the door to let people in. Right. Sometimes they not. So that's not that smart. But. But those guy is not, not the member of any gang. It's just an old man that works for the camp. Yeah. So we'll go in there. They tell them to put all the money in there.

[Mark Gagnon]

And you come in with guns.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And how many people you. And three.

[Peter Chin]

How big?

[Mark Gagnon]

If it's a lot of money and it's a big.

[Peter Chin]

Now I robbed one. Don't want like Jimmy, Jimmy's out there. They had a. He belonged to Dolan, right. Do on had a building. It says do on with Jimmy, that big head.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, Jimmy Tsue.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

Division Street. Right. But that gambling is not like mahjong, you know, the table. Well, if you're talking about gambling houses, usually domino, the team poker, the cart. And those little stupid buttons, you know. You know what I'm saying? They use the button and then every time they go a set of four. A set of four. And until the last whatever it wind up with one. You bet on one, you win. But anyway, Dong Wan, they had their own building. I didn't know that day. I know that wasn't like that so that day, me, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Five guy. We went there. So we busted in. But now when I busted, I said, shit, look at this. This is like a cafeteria here. A whole lot of people. Oh, man, it's out of hand now. A lot more than what I expected, right? So we didn't plan. I didn't plan to bring a duffel bag or anything, right? So now we saw something like paperback, the brown paperback, you know, back then, shopping bag, you know. So we took two of them. I told him, line up one. This line. We got a line. Two line, right? I thought, don't, don't play it, okay? Just line and then empty everything and you got everything. I said, if I find anything in your, you know, like you try to buff them, you know, make them scared so they don't. They do everything. So now that we. We leaving now.

[Mark Gagnon]

And so you're just robbing all the people gambling, all the patrons.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you just tell them, hey, line up. Give us everything.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And they don't. They don't have security. No, they don't expect that they're gonna get robbed. There's no.

[Peter Chin]

They don't have gangsters just to look out at those places.

[Mark Gagnon]

And they don't have gangsters that have guns that are in there like the, you know, flying dragon.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, but they didn't think that. No, they didn't think that they gonna get hit. That is how they think.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

But anyway, so there's too many people to handle now, right? So I don't line up. Give me two lines. So put two. Two paper shopping right there. So on our way out, how come so many people behind me? The older people, right? Like the older people. Chinese, right? Male and female. They was on the floor picking up stuff. Sit. I told them this house to wear. So I told them, put everything there. They took pennies in there. Everything. Paper money, pennies. It got heavy. So I busted a hole. No, the corners. The corn was dropping. That's why they like, you know, you like, you know, you throw a bunch of popcorn on the floor and those pigeon was there, you know they're going to keep coming, right? So I said, shit, what happened? I tell them a dead of your life. They was grabbing those corn from the paper bag I had. I just wrapped it like that. Go away. It had a hole coming out. Shit. No, no, I got to think quick. So I stuck my hand in there, right? I threw that paper. But then they go over there. I leave.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, no way.

[Peter Chin]

So they. So they won't Be on my trail. I keep going.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's so funny. You leave a money trail going all the way to your apartment.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Wow. How so many people behind me just.

[Mark Gagnon]

Follow you all the way up?

[Peter Chin]

No, they followed me not that long.

[Mark Gagnon]

This right?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. I didn't want them to follow me.

[Mark Gagnon]

So while you're walking down the street, you're dropping coins like not even had.

[Peter Chin]

A hole on the pad on the shopping bag.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Peter Chin]

It's too heavy. Because I told him put everything in there, Right.

[Mark Gagnon]

How much money do you think you got?

[Peter Chin]

I forgot that one. I forgot.

[Mark Gagnon]

If you did an average gambling house robbery, would it be like 20,000, 50,000?

[Peter Chin]

Yes. Yeah, it depends. Yeah, yeah. A gambling house, they have.

[Mark Gagnon]

What's the most you think that you ever got from a gambling house robbery?

[Peter Chin]

7,17,000. 170,000.

[Mark Gagnon]

170,000 in one night?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

107,000. Yeah. Then I gradually I, I went and wrapped those Jewish gold. Corn gold.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, yeah. Jewelry store.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Because Canal street, you know, I had a lot before. So then I stopped about four of them. Then I stopped. So not once I get busted for those things. So. But I realized I cannot continue like this. Why, how do you say it? There's a word for that. As you keep going up that hill, right? And there's a wolf up there, but you've never seen them, but you keep going up there. One day you're going to meet up with the woke like that you do so many times.

[Mark Gagnon]

You keep pushing your luck.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. So now that's it. That's it. So when I was 18, I said, how I'm going to make them? So I start lending money. Shylock. Loansharking. So what the Italians charge, right? They do loansharking. And what we charge is totally different. We, we charge by week, they charge bi weekly, they charge 2%, we charge 10%.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. You turn your money so fast because let's just say 10,000 is nothing. I loan all my money out there, but I'm not going to lend it to one person. 10,000. If he flip, he go. Then you lost it all in one basket, right? So 10,000 just to make the juice, right? The interest is 1,000 every week, right? And you power up that 1,000. So you do the math, right? And then you, you will realize how much money was in my. See, because of. I didn't force you to take. Borrow my money. Take money from me. But you know, at the same time who want to. I'm doing business with you who want to like going like I got to beat you up to get my money, but what. Right. So I rather not lending you that money. Right. Because if that's the case, I won't lend you the money. But I didn't force you to take money. So I'm very reasonable with my customer. Client. Right.

[Mark Gagnon]

And how did you find people to loan money to?

[Peter Chin]

I don't find them. They come to you.

[Mark Gagnon]

And what type of people were they? Were they people with gambling debt?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, they got, most of them are gambling debt and they got business people that they needed money to flip. But short period, like, I'll give you back everything within a month.

[Mark Gagnon]

I need a thousand dollars and I'll give you.

[Peter Chin]

Those are for small, small amount. Like gambling. Yeah, a gambling. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And I'm gonna, I need a thousand dollars and then I'll give you eleven hundred dollars, you know, at the end of the week.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. If he could, he, he can't pay up the 1100. He could pay the interest 100.

[Mark Gagnon]

Ah, okay.

[Peter Chin]

He still own a thousand.

[Mark Gagnon]

You know what I'm saying? Right.

[Peter Chin]

Every, every. If he don't pay off the thousand or he could pay up like half. So you don't have to, you know, you don't have to pay the whole interest. Half of your interest, but now you.

[Mark Gagnon]

Got to pay his 50.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So you know, so I said, because that will, that will, it's not a big deal, you know, with the law. You know, back then they slapping you in the hand go. Because you're not hurting nobody, you're not doing that. But nowadays it's totally different.

[Mark Gagnon]

But now what if someone takes like $1,000 from you?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And then they don't pay you back. And then they don't pay you the interest.

[Peter Chin]

They don't pay you the interest, they don't pay you back. Okay. You, you just got to wait. See how I would wait me. I will wait and see what he's going to do. Right. And if he thinks he's going. Not one, one, not one. One person took off. No. Not one with me. No. Because I'm reasonable with them. Because if you, you, you have problem. I work with you. In other words, so I try to work with you. Now if you think that you're gonna take my money, that's not gonna happen. Right. So one way or the other, you're gonna pay. I mean, in the longer term, I'm not, I'm not talking about physically you're gonna pay. I try not to do that. I done never done that. So if you can't pay, just tell me your problem. I could work with you, but if you think you get away with my money, you gotta be crazy. Yeah, I mean, I could talk to the person, you know, like, I work with you. Fine, you can't do it, fine, I will take off all this insurance. But you still, like, how you gonna. How are you gonna pay this back? Right? But yeah, I work with them.

[Mark Gagnon]

And how long did you do the loaning for? Like, how long were you loaning people money? 5 years, 10 years.

[Peter Chin]

Long time. No, because once that guy pay you off, you give it somebody that comes in.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you did that for a long time.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And while you're doing this, once you get into the loaning money, are you still doing any more violence? Are you still doing any robbery?

[Peter Chin]

I don't do no more.

[Mark Gagnon]

You did that when you were 13 to 18. Okay.

[Peter Chin]

Because I know if I keep doing that one day I'm going to get bus fit, maybe bobbing. This is like, there's a lot of people in our guy. They got busted right at the spot, I'm saying, right? So, yeah, that, that's the chances of is big.

[Mark Gagnon]

So after you do all the robberies and now you're into the loaning money, how much money do you think you have by the time you're like in your mid-20s?

[Peter Chin]

But at least in the book, right? My godfather, which is Italian.

[Mark Gagnon]

Your godfather's Italian?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, Italian. And you know what? When I left the street, he told me already, when me and him, he said, pete, just go do your time. Don't worry about it. But he didn't think that he's going to die that soon. But he's an old man. So I met him in a strange way. The book was this. So now. And my. My wife, right? And my son. My son was young, maybe 6, 7. My wife told me when I come home, she said, you know what, Nick, your godfather, well, you cannot say anything bad about him because this man comes every week to see your son. And every week he comes, he bring a whole lot of toys to land. Bless. Oh, wow. Yeah. Because he told me, just go, don't worry about your family. Okay? Okay. But not one week that he missed miss. And you know this is true, friend. And then when he couldn't come no more because he got cancer, well, he was in bed. He can't come no more. Yeah, he was a good guy.

[Mark Gagnon]

And so how did you. How does a. How does a Chinese guy from Hong Kong meet an Italian God?

[Peter Chin]

And nightclub. My Nightclub.

[Mark Gagnon]

Your nightclub?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, in Manhattan.

[Mark Gagnon]

When did you have a nightclub?

[Peter Chin]

When I was on the street.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

I did entertainment business too.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow. How old were you when you started the nightclub?

[Peter Chin]

20.

[Mark Gagnon]

Me, okay.

[Peter Chin]

I was young.

[Mark Gagnon]

And so you took the money that you had got from the business and then you started the nightclub?

[Peter Chin]

No, Monday I mixed up so much, I don't know where I got it from. But I said I bought that nightclub. I won't tell you. Not because I want it. No, I didn't want it. I'm not a drinker and I don't like to drink. So what happened was that this guy. You heard of United Bamboo? Another gang called United Bamboo. They know in Taiwan they're very, very big. But in the United States, no, they after one day when we got indicted for a week ago and I see them in prison and mcc, right. Detention center there's a federal. They came after six months. We were there. So they. This is a political case, but a guy had nothing to do with it. Right. Because this RICO is very, very so bold that. So vicious that once they charge you with it, you can say goodbye.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. And the writer, I told him before even they indicted Giuliani or jump. I said this lore RICO is going to backfire. And it's been backfired already. Then when I saw it on paper or on the radio, I forgot. I called me back immediately. Did I tell you or not it backfired?

[Mark Gagnon]

Wait, how did the RICO backfire?

[Peter Chin]

Because look, this RICO intention wasn't like this. So it was so complicated with this RICO back then. I forgot what senator was saying. Which Senator? But it was passed since the 1980. No, no way. 1970 the law was passed and it's sitting on the burner for over 10 years. Didn't use it. When a senator says there's only two prosecutors know how to use this law. And it is because this law, when the intention first, this is what they based on was that they want to go after the union. The union? The president, like Hoffman, those guys. Because when the mafia take control of the union, you know, they would say that's where their first intention was. But once they start using this law.

[Mark Gagnon]

They use it on everything, man.

[Peter Chin]

They use it on picket line. When I was inside, the people that put us.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, the protesters.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. I said, shit, this is going to backfire. And then it backfired to the President. Lucky that he. Lucky that, you know, he got elected. If not, he gonna go Trump, you mean. Yeah, look, look. No nothing now because the RICO's so.

[Mark Gagnon]

Broad they could put anyone.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

Then they say, okay. It was more actually for guys trying to. The mob guy controlling the union. Right. Hoffa those days, that's why they got antitrust law, right. To break up monopolies at and T. Bell system. Right. The telephone. But back then they don't have this law. Hoffa to say, my people go on strike, there's no truck going on 95. Interstate 95. You know what they will do to this country? It depletes this country colony. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

You can't do it.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So I mean that's why they had those. They want competition. They want. Not just you have control of it, but if you the union president and the worker, right. The guy that who drives the truck and that belongs to you and you are the only guy. There's no other unit. You know, you could have this president sit down and beg you, no, I'm not moving the truck.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, you can't do that.

[Peter Chin]

Everything, even plane that merchant comes in, you still need trucks to transport everything.

[Mark Gagnon]

If you can control the trucks. And all of a sudden you have so much power, you have a lot of leverage. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, so back to the nightclub.

[Peter Chin]

Okay.

[Mark Gagnon]

Why did you start the nightclub?

[Peter Chin]

Oh, see, back then I had so many people, like guys from. From Hong Kong, like the street guy. I'm talking about Toronto, Boston, all over the place, right. Then you know what they do? Their life is like that street guy. When they come, you have dinner with them. Now next step, go massage or do whatever you want. Right? In the massage. The next step, go drink the nightclub. And then drink it till fucking dawn. Like 4 or 5 o'clock, 6 o'clock, whatever. And then you knocked out. And then you go to sleep. Where do you think they're going to go? Fishing. They come in. No, they're not going to come in for fishing, right.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you have to have a place to bring all the gangsters that come in. You got to take them somewhere.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So I got tired of paying those bills because those liquor bill is very high.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. You got a table at 6,000, $8,000.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So I. So what happened was that he started bamboo right about that time. The guy, his name is Tony, he's an older guy. So he sent word to somebody that he wants to see me, he want to sell me his club. I don't know this guy. Wait a minute, I don't know him. And he want to sell it to me. I don't know this guy, right. They say United Bamboo. I know A lot of United bamboo guy, but they all legitimate guy. They open restaurant. They not. They don't bother nobody. So he wanted to sell it to me. So one of my guys told me that one day he said, pete, kid, you know Golden Taipei? That's the name of that club, Golden Taipei. The guy, the owner, he wants to see you. He wanted to sell you that club. What? I said, I don't know this guy. So, okay, set a date for me. So I went and sat date a minute. What a coincidence. Just right about the day that I see him, this guy named Wise Guy. His name is Wise Guy. I found out later on he had a big table, right? I put together a long table. I found out later on that was his birthday. But before that, I asked Tony. I said, you got to tell me the problem. Tell me the truth. If you don't tell me the truth, I find out later on you're going to have problems. Is it that your own money, own the rental money? That you don't want this place now, if this place make money, why would you want to give it to me? Come on, you know what I'm saying? There's got to be something here or people's bothering you. The gangster wants, you know, want a piece of pie or something, let me know what's going on. You pay off your. No, not the renter, not this, not that. Okay, the rent. No, nothing. Nothing. Then he pointed to the table, those guys. So kids like that wise guy, his name is Wise Guy, but he had like tall guy or 15 guy over there drinking. Said because those are my problem. That he cannot survive. See, usually the street guy, like I say, they're going to go to those places, right? Club, right. So they're not going street guys, they go to school, church, no. So they go to club, nightclub. So, okay, that's your problem. I said, if that's your problem, it's no problem for me. So while we are negotiating, right, how we could change hand, how much he want and stuff like that. So I was thinking about, you know, buying this. Probably saved me less money, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

You're going to be buying the tables.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So now and then that guy came up. The guy, birthday, right? Came up to me. He said. He called me. Kid, right? Kid call, right? Kid called. I want to have a drink with you. I said, wait a minute. So I wasn't being as Charlie, be snotty because I don't like to drink. Wait a minute, who are you? When I asked him, who are you? Oh, my name is Wise Guy, okay? Okay, wise guy. Wise guy. I'm not going to drink because I'm not a drinker. I can't drink. I get drunk easy, right? So I don't want to drink. So I'm not drinking. I'm not fucking with you, I said. I'm not playing with you, I said. So he's standing and I'm not drinking with him. So he looks stupid. So he all about faces, you know, in Chinese. So he think he lost faces now when he walked.

[Mark Gagnon]

When you say he lost face, you.

[Peter Chin]

Know, long face is another word. You just.

[Mark Gagnon]

He look, looks, looks sad maybe.

[Peter Chin]

No, no, no, no. The Chinese, what they say lost face. Like he don't respect me.

[Mark Gagnon]

Ah, he felt disrespected.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah. Oh, you know this word? Yeah. Wait, yeah, Lost face.

[Mark Gagnon]

Chinese you say long face or.

[Peter Chin]

No, lost.

[Mark Gagnon]

Lost face.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, you lost.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, I've never heard that before.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Or lost faith or face face in.

[Peter Chin]

Chinese, how they say mean his face. So he felt like he's disrespected. So when he went back to the table, I saw he asked the guy over there for a gun. He put it, because that thing is silver gun, it sparked. So he went like this and it sparked. Okay. I had one. I always had. Basically, I always have it. So even in my older day, I always have it. So I feel more safe being that I have the gun than you had the gun. You're my man. Yeah, well, don't protect me. Let me protect you. I feel that way.

[Mark Gagnon]

I don't have a gun.

[Peter Chin]

Don't worry.

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

So I have, as I told Paul that they. He told me that's why he sent me the word and say that the boss wanted to sell you the club. I went with him. I said, go to the payphone, right? Komar street and had two cars out there. Give me a dirty, dirty rifle and a shotgun out there. Don't worry, I got a gun there. So I talked to the bamboo guy. When we go to Suzanne, it's next one. How much he want? Yeah, I agree with it. I think 50 grand. 50,000. So I agreed to that. And then that's your only problem, right? He said, yeah, okay. We shook hands. The deal was made. Then later on, I will tell you this. I got to kidnap this guy, United Bamboo back to me and give me back my money because he lied to me. Now, after two years, one thing now the wise guy, when I leave, right, the deal was made, and then I just passed by and I'm going to leave. We got to open two doors, right? Two doors. There's a swing door. And then it goes to the front. All the way to the front. This is a hotel. It's just as big as a ballroom. The club has a. That's the biggest club, you know, back then, that's the biggest club. It had a booth, right? And then all around it, and it had table. Then it had a dancing floor that had a band, right? It was pretty big. So I walked and I was going out. Now they outside already, my people. But anyway, that doesn't matter. They're outside. So he went, like, running. Then he pulled a gun. I pulled it, pulled it like he's five feet five step. I said, wise guy, you pull that gun, I'm going to blow your head. That's it. Then the guy that who? The founder of the Fok Ching gang, right? Mike Moy was the foxing. Yeah, before he became a cop. So there was no Fuk Seng then as a matter of fact, this guy Paul, the founder of Fuxing. I helped him out before because there's no. So he ran after wise guy, right? Uncle Ho, long haul. While my gun was pulling at him, he grabbed him and pull with his knee. Two knee on the floor like he slid into it. Grab it tight. He said hip, give me face. No, no. Don't, don't, don't, don't tell me don't do it. He's drunk. You know today is his birthday. Okay, he's drunk, right? And then who are you? How he know my name? I'm nobody. He said I'm nobody. He became the founder. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then he still wanted on a Rico. On a rico? Yeah, there's body in that Rico. But anyway, Paul. Paul is a pretty good guy though. So I don't know him. I said now who are you? Oh, my name is Paul. I'm Fook Chao. Poor folk. Chao means Fukinese. So there's a province, right? Fokanese people. 1 Zhao N people, Cantonese people, right? So, but I'm Fokines. And no, I'm nobody. He don't hang out with gangs and stuff. This is the first time I see him too. Okay, Paul, I'm going to give you faith. Just tell this guy. You say he's young, right? Tell him when it's over, when he gets up tomorrow. Do not come here after this month. Do not tell him after this month, it's going to be my club. It's going to be changed hands. You let him know if he ever step in there. Oh, he got something coming. Any vehicle can take you places, but why stop there? The Alfa Romeo Tonale combines luxurious Italian design and electrifying performance to make every mile a masterpiece and every arrival unforgettable. When precision meets instinct and power moves with purpose, you never have to stay in a lane. Experience a world without limits in the Alfa Romeo Tonale Plug In Hybrid. Tap banner to learn more. Alfa Romeo is a registered trademark of FCA Group Marketing SpA. Used with permission.

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[Peter Chin]

So, okay, I gotta let him know. So. Wow. While this was going on, he didn't came back when? After maybe six months or eight months, I had the club, he came back, right then they called me. I was just upstairs across the street. I rented an apartment there. Back then, 2,700 is like 9,000. Now the apartment, right? So 2,000. I told you you could rent a whole house. 300, 350, right? You buy the whole house. 30,000. Back then I was paying like 2,700 for that across the street. So I want it because it's easy access for me. Yeah, I got all the guns and everything in there. So my club, I was facing my club right there. So Paul said, okay, you tell him that after eight months he was there. Oh, he came with four guys, right? Four. And within five. So my people was there already. When they saw them, they called me. I was there. I'm on my way up. I saw him, I saw the other guy. You, you, you leave. You can leave. You, you cannot leave now. You stay right the fucking here. So I said, I took him to the back. I probably broke him like six rip. I mean with the chair. Threw him out. After all that, he never came back again. I said, I told you, I said, I don't play if you, you don't know me. But people do know me, you know, out on the street. Because I'm going to say what I'm going to do and I'm going to do it. So I told you not to. Didn't bother you not to come in there? I said so. But he got nothing to say. Oh, it'd be bad. Now he got no place to hang out. And I told everybody, the people like, street guy don't come in my club. Like 4, 5 guys, 10 guy, 20 guy, the boss, no problem. Come in with two bodyguard. Fine, yeah, I give you. But you think you can hang out here? No, they're not going to work. So they respect. They respect me like that too. So none of that happened, you know.

[Mark Gagnon]

Like, was wise guy a part of a gang?

[Peter Chin]

Wise Guy? Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

What gang was he?

[Peter Chin]

He, I. I find out later on he was with the Flying Dragon. But I'm not sure though, because I call Fox, I call the Flying Dragon, because remember I told you, Onion head. Yeah, Sonny, he wasn't in charge yet. So. And way about that time, that's when wise Guy had the problem with me, so I called him, I said, is this your guy? I have a guy here. You just tell me, is this your guy? If not, because we was on a peace treaty. So we didn't, you know, me and him, we didn't have no war no more. So back then, the war was created. Ever since I wasn't even here. I wasn't with this group. It was passing down already, you know what I'm saying?

[Mark Gagnon]

Right?

[Peter Chin]

So like extortion, probably. I wasn't even born yet, maybe they would have had it. So he just handed down. But about that time, when I took it over, I tried to strain all those things, you know, all that fighting for 20 years, 10 years is useless.

[Mark Gagnon]

There's more money if it's peaceful.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Try to make money, okay? Just legitimately go make money. So, I mean, if I could. Sorry, I don't know. The people that before me, they don't know how to think. But anyway, I was young, I don't know how to think. You know, if all the restaurants buy food for me, like shrimp, I'm not gonna. I'm not trying to con you. I'm just selling you what they sell you or maybe, or Hunts Point, right? They sell food like orange juice, apple. You buy from me, I'll beat their price. Maybe I'm not trying to like, but legit business. Yeah? Yeah, legit. Do a legitimate way, you're gonna make money, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

But if there's guns, if people are shooting each other, then there's no, no one can make money.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So. Because you're gonna make that legitimate. I'm not extorting you. You buy from me, I sell it to you. That's it. And just honestly do business with people.

[Mark Gagnon]

So the guy that sold you the nightclub, you eventually had to go kidnap him?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Why?

[Peter Chin]

Because after two years, I had a handshake with him. He told me a five year lease, but it's only two years. Now my guys come to tell me, wait, Pete, they're closing down your club, huh? I said, what? Why? For what? No, your lease is only two years. I said, that son of a bitch. I shook hand with him. I gave him the money. Oh, he's not going nowhere. So. So I sent to a guy, kidnapped him, bring him down to the basement, right? As a matter of fact, back then it was our torture. Torture room, right? We catch somebody that our enemy or whatever, we could take him down there. And so I took Tony down. I was very reasonable. I said, tony, you could have told me two years but now you know what happened, I lost face. Now people would say, mark, he don't know how to do business. He'll win the club. Two years and it fucking shut down.

[Mark Gagnon]

You look bad.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, I said it's not the money. You could have told me. Now I'm getting kicked out, right? So I said I want the money. I gave you every penny back, but I don't want extra. Usually when somebody you talk to a street guy, they will add more on top, but I don't, I never do that. So I said, you can I give him more or one time, fine. But today you got to go to the bank. So we can't have to the bank right across the street. So he took out maybe 20 grand. Yeah, yeah, okay, fine. You pay me the rest slowly. Fine. You can pay me in segment. Fine. I'm not in the world, but you have to pay me back. Why are you going to tell me I look really bad? Because in two years I close. I expected five years or maybe four. Fine, you know, but two years, that's crazy. I pay you that money. If I cannot get the lease after two years, I don't want it, right. If it's my choice. And I knew it was two years. You want that? And you put so many time money in there. And then two years, you know, 1, 2, 3. Yeah, and then you got to close up.

[Mark Gagnon]

Did you have to close or did you experience?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, so now I got to close. So my godfather found a place for me, so.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh yeah. How did you meet him? He came to the club.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

So what was he a part of a family?

[Peter Chin]

No, no, no. He came in, drink and then he was. I told you his business was he do it on the side business with like lending money 2%. I don't know what happened. I saw like four or five Chinese guy was yelling at him, like screaming at him. And he looked like one of the old men. They don't know what the fuck was he?

[Mark Gagnon]

Just old Italian guy.

[Peter Chin]

No, yeah, he's an Italian, but he got, you know, he got connection, this guy. So I know, but I didn't know back then. I just looked at him as an old man, right Boy, so. And those guys, young people, you know, like 18, 19, was yelling at making a lot of noise in my club. I said, yo, yo, you, you, you, all of you get the fuck out of there. Because this man, why you pick on the old man? I didn't know that he was belonging to a mob. He was a mob guy. I had a maid guy. So I Didn't know him. So I said, you, you. Then one of the guy. Who are you to me, right? And one of the guy pulled him back to his day, blah, blah, blah. Then they leave. Where am I? Okay, first of all, I own this place first, so leave him alone. So now when I. Okay, so those guys leave, right? On their way out, I turn, I go, can I buy you a drink? He didn't even know I own this place. So I said, no, you can't buy me a drink because I own this place. Oh, you take this card. One day that maybe, you know, you come to my office, we could talk. So, yeah, so actually one day I did. Me and my wife was walking that place, Madison Square Garden. So, okay. Wow. And then I took out his car. Yeah, Nick. His name is Nick. Nick. Way back then this happened, right? Had passed so long. So he says, well, okay, we right here. Let's see what happens. So when I walked in, a secretary came out. I busted the wall open. He busted me in. Who you looking for? I said, nick. There was a guy named Nick right here. But Nick was in a room and four or five Italian guy dressed up with suit, waiting for him to talk to him. So just tell him, who are you? Ask me, right? I said, peter. So he went in there. Secondary. The first time I went in there. So Nick busted out of the room, right? I kicked the guy out, the Thai guy. Hey, yo, yo. You guys just gotta wait, okay? My God, son is here. Pull me in. So I talked to him. He's a nice guy. I said, don't worry about those guys, man. Those tiny guys. So then later I find out. And he told me while I was with him, said, Pete, he knew I always had a gun. So he said, pete, try not to bring a gun when you see me. Cause he could get violated. He's not supposed to be. First of all, he's not supposed to be something like a firearm next to him. Especially me. And, you know, got records they're not supposed to. I think he's on probation. Yeah, he did sometime, I guess. I never asked him those things. And I never asked him what family that he belonged with, like the five family. Until I was in prison. Then I find out. Yeah, because I met. So who I met the fire commission, that Tony Solano, which is not the board. Vincent De Chin was.

[Mark Gagnon]

Vincent De Chin?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he was at the board. I mean, the Fed always thought Solana was Solano. He got trademarked with that cigar. He's a good man. I was in the ball pit with it did.

[Mark Gagnon]

The Chinese gangs and the Italian gangs, did they ever interact? Did they get along or was it just separate? Separate business.

[Peter Chin]

Oh, yes. Sandpaper is what we get along. I want to tell you about drugs. Heroin. Heroin came from Thailand, right? Far East. Thailand got the best heroin. So they call it China white. China white, right. It's not like the Mexican heroin or Pakistani heroin. They mud. They call them mud. All this thing. I've never seen them on the street. When I went to prison, I see them inside.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

Shit. This. Wow. That's a paper. This is last stamp. This is what they're talking about. I never seen those things.

[Mark Gagnon]

So when you were on the street, you never dealt with drugs or anything?

[Peter Chin]

No, I wouldn't let my people do it. I won't dealt with it. Yes. Because that will automatically fall under fellow jurisdiction.

[Mark Gagnon]

It's too risky.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Have their eye on you. So we don't want that kind of attention. Even the mob doesn't want it. That's why.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you and the mob, you guys got along because you guys were running different type of business.

[Peter Chin]

Yes. Yeah, because we don't interact like over money, right? Nothing like that. Yeah. So now. But back then, back then it was like the Chinese, when they get the heroin, right, they pass it along to the Italian and the Italian pass it along to the black Harlem or Spanish Harlem. That's how they go. Now, the Chinese was born here. Now they call them American born Chinese, abc. So they grew up here, they went to school here, right. They educated here. So they know their friend, they know Greek, Russian, you know, black or Spanish, they all got. Because they grew up here, they could speak their language. First of all, back then, they got a little problem back then was speaking English, right? They don't trust outside of the but. So the closest they trust is the Italian. So they dealt with them like that. And you know what? Those days, there was not an Italian ratted on the Chinese and there's not a Chinese ratted on Italian. No.

[Mark Gagnon]

No one ratted on each other.

[Peter Chin]

No. If you got busted, it's your bad luck, you go to jail. But no, they don't rat on them. And Italians don't rattle on the Chinese. No, never. Now because the younger generation, they got greedy. They don't give it to their tie. They cut them off. Boom. They went to their friend instead of they give it to their tie. Like 80 grand, right? A key. 80 grand a key. So now he could go straight 110 a key, right? Now they cut off his middleman. That part of the money. Right. So they think they make more. Now things have got fucking crazy. Now he ride on him. He rides. Oh, man.

[Mark Gagnon]

It becomes a whole mess.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow. So now when you're 20s, you know, running the nightclub and you're meeting people, Is your English good?

[Peter Chin]

No.

[Mark Gagnon]

So how do you talk to the.

[Peter Chin]

He understand. And he understand, you know, and you.

[Mark Gagnon]

Can talk to your. To Nick. To the Italian guy.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. And something I don't, you know, I make motions and he understands, you know. I know. Like hello, goodbye, you know, Very simple language. Yeah. I would be able to have conversations with you now, right? No.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, that's so interesting. And so you go and you live this life. You had a new nightclub because Nick helps you find a new place.

[Peter Chin]

No way. About. Yeah, he helped me find it. Right. And then I got the key, and it was a disco, Italian owned, on fourth street. Right. You know where. Fourth Street. Where the hell's Angel Club?

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Right. The corner. You facing the corner. So he gave me the key. And being that people saw me at that club, right. On 46th street, then they. The banker and people that had money. Oh, sorry. They want to invest. So they want to invest. So before I went to prison, right. About that time, I put everything on the envelope, the manila envelope, the yellow envelope. How you say that?

[Mark Gagnon]

Manila.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Okay. That envelope. Right. Most of them for document, lawyer use it. So I put all the money in there. I gave it to Nick. Right. And then I gave it to him. I went to prison. He bought the same money back after two years, gave it back to my wife and told my wife to give it back to those people that paid a deposit for this new club.

[Mark Gagnon]

All the investors.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. And all that money. That money they gave him, the same money they gave him back.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

He never opened it.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's a good man.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he's a good man. He's a very, very good man. So. Yeah. So right about that time, I went to prison.

[Mark Gagnon]

So when your 30s, basically, you live this life. You're still doing some of the loaning, and now at this point, you're running the Ghost Shadow loan.

[Peter Chin]

Is. I always do. Yeah. Because it's good money.

[Mark Gagnon]

It's not dangerous.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. It's not that dangerous. Yeah. It depends how you. How the person settle with them, you know, like.

[Mark Gagnon]

Of course.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Don't try to pick his leg off. It's not gonna. It's not gonna work. It's just gonna bring heat. So I always work it out with you.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you make peace amongst a lot of the Different Chinese gangs.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. So. But anyway, the guy go back to the guy that he's trying to pull. Wise guy. Yeah, wise guy. Okay. Now he. After I do him out, within another eight months, six months, he died. In back of my club, there's another club open. In fact, the Korean Club is. A lot of Chinese go there, right? And a lot of guys. Street guy was there that day. The Barthead went up to his table and told him he had a phone call. Somebody called him on the phone booth. So he got to come out that club, but on the hall, you know, a little bit.

[Mark Gagnon]

The alleyway.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, but it's down the street and still in the club. And as soon as I pick up the phone, they hit him. I don't know how many times in the head he said. So now he had no place to go, so he went. Because back then, first it had like five, six Chinese club. There's some of them smaller, some are big, but mine was the biggest one. So now I don't let them in there. They don't let them in there. Right. So where they gonna go? They're gonna go to the one that they could let them in. And then the business, but closed down.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So it wind up and it's only two clubs left in New York City. Mine and the Korean club behind me. He's 45th Street, I'm 46th. So back to back. So he went there with that wise guy that night, and a phone call came to him and they whacked him.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Peter Chin]

Oh, back then, in my time, every day or every other day, something happened, somebody died, somebody got shot, they got kidnapped.

[Mark Gagnon]

And they put a contract on you at this point?

[Peter Chin]

No, they put this contract. Because I got to let you see some of the paperwork. They had a conspiracy. So now they had a conspiracy coming out that they were talking about where I'm going. I got it all transcript. I didn't say it. So.

[Mark Gagnon]

And who was trying to get you? What? What, what gang?

[Peter Chin]

Well, the White Tiger, Nikki Louie. Yeah, and who else? Like few others, you know, and just.

[Mark Gagnon]

Because you're the leader of the Ghost Shadows, that's why they just want to take down you controlled Mott street and they wanted it.

[Peter Chin]

Oh, yeah. Because that's where all the money is, where they're going. So, I mean.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, so gambling houses, all that stuff.

[Peter Chin]

We fought all the way there, you know, we from all the way out. He was no Chinese over there. So now I'm starting to hang out with a spirit Right. Because he took me in. We would hang out in those little small bar. It was a. You know, Essex Street. Yeah, Essex back then was Jew. Jewish. You know, the Tassel Jew a lot Jew. So now there's no Chinese store there. No Chinese store. Forget about it. Exit Street. So Division street, all the way by the park, that sewer park. But anyway, it was deserted place. And there was a Chinese woman would not walk there. Like, soon as the sun go down, they would not walk there. There's dangers over there. So when we started from there, I started from there. So when I started from there, we move a few blocks up, like, to Henry Street. And that's still outskirt, you know. So we hang around there for a little while. Then we move up behind Cham Square, you know, where Park Woe. Cham Square. Okay. Doyle street is the Flying Dragon territory. Bell was the Flying Dragon. That's their territory. Like, they carved their territory area. We don't have a territory. So we slide in right by the corner of Doyer and Chatham Square. That's how they meet up, right? There's a coffee shop there. So we went there. I mean, we went. We slowly moved it over there. Then one day, bam, we just took Pell Street. So Uncle Benny.

[Mark Gagnon]

And how do you take Pel Street? Is it.

[Peter Chin]

You just walk in and took it? It wasn't. There wasn't a big gunfight, no nothing. But back then, we don't have that many people because like they say, one of us against 10 of them, they got more than us. But you know what? We got hard. We were poor. We were hungry. It's different. I realized that because I didn't. I didn't know. If I had been through that. I didn't know. So now when we make money, everybody make money. They start to have this. This by a lot of problems. We could be together when we had nothing. But when we start to have something, oh, this, that, that, and they don't get along no more. So we stayed there for a little while. Uncle Benny took us in. And Uncle Benny don't take nobody. In those days, he was. He don't want to climb up the stair three at the third floor. He don't. He's chubby. Back there. He was chubby. Yeah. So. But that's his Epstein belongs to him. Whatever he say, go. That's it. Like Trump. Just like Trump, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

So Uncle Benny says, you know what? These guys, they control Maastri now. They're doing my business.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he was Pell and Doyer.

[Mark Gagnon]

Okay?

[Peter Chin]

Mark Ducks the guy, Mark Duck. Yeah, that's his. His place back then. So now after that one day, Nikki, Louie, we used to be our boss, five of us. Then we came to a conclusion after that incident with Nikki. We don't want to run an operation like he did. Like how you say it, more of like communist. Like only one guy called a shot. That's it. And no other guy, nobody say nothing except him. That's it. So you didn't like that? Not that I don't like. I'm the youngest one. I had no say, so. So I just went along with them. So. But anyway, back then, so Matt, we. Dicky, right? Dicky was. He was our boss, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

Can we get a picture of Nikki, Louie?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, Nikki, Louie, the lamps, right? That's why we got Matt. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And so was it. Was he a tough guy? Was he. Was he scary?

[Peter Chin]

Well, no, he's a tough guy. I always say, you know why I seen it? So I know he's a tough guy. How tough? Because I've never seen that accident before. Me and him wind up in the same cell while we was waiting to go to trial or, you know, on the RICO cases, back and forth. And I stayed with him in the same cell for a certain time, so. And then one day I was sleeping on upper Burke. There was like, you know, what house gang, you know, like serving food or inmates, right? They put those cars up there. And this guy, a black guy, and he full of muscle. He boxed every day. He's solid. So I was sleeping 6:00 in the morning, he come in the cell on the upper bunk, right? He put on his sneaker, he mumbling something, okay? And then he was talking about this guy. He want to fight. I'm fighting a King Kong, right? Seriously, he's fighting a King Kong. I admire anything. You have no shot. You're not going to win this fight, right? If you want to win this fight, you know, there's strategy to win a fight. But the way he's going. Wait for me, wait for me. I'm not saying that. I wasn't even up yet. I wasn't thinking like I got planned. I did not. My mind was still sleeping.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

So I never stepped out the door. By the time I finished my shilling, just tattoos. They brought him back in. He got knocked out.

[Mark Gagnon]

Nikki, Louie. Yeah, he knocked out the big guy.

[Peter Chin]

No, he got knocked out and put him back in. I knew he was going to lose that fight, but he got bored. He's facing a challenge like that. Like that. Yeah. So I mean, that guy was muscle. Muscle. He's overweight, like 140 pounds. Yeah, come on. That guy, maybe 180 or 220, but he's solid muscle. I see him always boxing, but Nikki.

[Mark Gagnon]

Was down to fight.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he went that way. Somebody told me right after that he came back in, right? Somebody told me, 1, 2, 3, boom, there you go. Like a cartoon. Yeah, but he got balls. I said after I saw that, he got bald. Now I'm going to do something funny. When I was with him, right? I didn't think of that. It didn't dawn on me. So I was sitting on the bottom bunk and he was sitting on the chair. We had what kind of. What kind of forensic. Like the long one. So, okay, there's a table there and we're talking. We did discuss about how to. How we're going to escape from mcc, but I backed out. I had chicken shit, so I backed out.

[Mark Gagnon]

You were going to try to escape from it?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. I mean, and planned it. Yeah. But I told Nick, I said, no, I can't do it. I will buckle with height, so.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, you get scared of height?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, he tested it, and I saw him. I watched over him. We tested. But anyway, so Nicky, he had a mock hair, right? Nicky, what happened over here? Then he said, not here. Here too. You. He said, me? Because of me, he got shot.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, he got shot in the head.

[Peter Chin]

He got shot through the mouth here and from here to here. Yeah, they say he got died alive. Now, after that, I believe, but before, because before that, we heard that, like, on the newspaper write about him and says that he got nine lives because how many bullets they got inside couldn't take it out. But this is the last one that I sent the guy, right? You don't wake up dreaming of McDonald's fries. You wake up dreaming of McDonald's hash browns. McDonald's breakfast comes first. Ba ba ba ba ba At New.

[Mark Gagnon]

Balance, we believe if you run, you're.

[Peter Chin]

A runner, however you choose to do it.

[Mark Gagnon]

Because when you're not worried about doing.

[Peter Chin]

Things the right way, you're free to discover your way. And that's what running's all about. Run your way. @newbalance.com Running to put his head on him. Because I was gonna do it.

[Mark Gagnon]

But anyway, on Nikki, Louis.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. One hit. One, one, one, one, one. One bullet hit. He shot all the bullet. And then.

[Mark Gagnon]

And you called the hit.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, I did. Because I was gonna go. So what happened was that we split. Now, make a long story, because Nikki.

[Mark Gagnon]

Louie is the boss.

[Peter Chin]

He was the boss. Okay, Now, I was the youngest guy out of the five. They call me kid, out of the whole crew. I was the youngest guy when I bought in. When I was with them, they brought me in. The whole coup, I was the youngest guy. That's how I got my name. Okay, come here. We're going to the coffee shop. All right. So Nicky was not the boss first. He came out after NE Wong died. So. But before NE Wong died, Timothy Lee was the boss. He died in Boston. They put a contract on him. Could you put out Timothy Lee?

[Mark Gagnon]

Timothy Lee, Yeah, Timothy Lee.

[Peter Chin]

He died in Boston.

[Mark Gagnon]

Okay, yeah, let's take a look. Timothy Lee.

[Peter Chin]

They call him a saint. They call him a giraffe, right? Oh, this guy he calls Long neck Giraffe, they call him. This guy is a real brother. And if you ask me, our whole crew. Who's the toughest guy? A gangster. A gangster. Gangster. Mongo and Mongo talk about him. He died right about when I came out on the street. Right. Hang out with the guy. And not just him died. There's a few guys who talk about the same story and match. And I didn't know how he got killed. I know what it was behind that killed. I found out later on when I did this book, man, I couldn't believe it. So. Because I always had that in my mind. If Dee Wong that day, if I had the gun on me with the history change, will I be able to save his life? That's been with me 45 years. That was when I was 14 years old.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

From what I understand from Dharma, he. The reason why he died, he was heading the coup in New York. The culture island they call. So they didn't have that much people then. So he. And we were starving. We don't even have fucking $2 in their pocket. How they survive was through robbing. Right. Gambling houses. Yeah, like that. If one gun got busted, we got a hard time buying another gun. We don't have. We don't have a backbone. Like the Black Eagle and White Eagle was backed by the Onong Tongue Association.

[Mark Gagnon]

They backed them back in. Back in China.

[Peter Chin]

No, back them with money. Financially.

[Mark Gagnon]

They're in the States and they had to say funding. But you guys didn't have funding.

[Peter Chin]

We don't have, no.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you lose a gun, all of a sudden it's like, yeah, what do we do?

[Peter Chin]

We lost a guy. He got arrested. We got a problem. We got to rob some somewhere. Yeah. To get that money.

[Mark Gagnon]

You had nothing.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So we don't have no backbone to back us. So the Flying Dragon had the hipsing Uncle Benny, right? Yeah. So now while we was at the outskirt, we didn't have nobody. We were moving. So now he, Timida Lee was. Was the boss then was holding this crew together, right? So they did. They. I don't. Him and Lee Wong, I don't know. Two other guy we could find out, but I didn't want. I don't need to go on that further. I knew the story because I pieced them all together. And this story was never told. So they did a robbery at gambling houses in Boston. They got busted. So Lee Wong was living in Boston, right? But he was from New York. He originally from New York. His brother died. He was one of our guy, Kuan Ying, he died. Then later on he left. He went to Boston.

[Mark Gagnon]

He went to Boston?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he wanted to make see if there's anything up there that he could do, make some money. He lived in Boston. Timothy Lee, he got busted with NE Wong, robbing the gambling. But there's two more. Two more guys, right? So four of them robbed him. So they got busted, they went to court and Timothy Lee come back to New York, right? And whoever from New York, they came back to New York. The only time they go back is when they go to court appearance, right? So now. And while at the same time he cannot like support this group no more. They starving, right? They got nothing. And then it's not going to work. It look like it's going to 1, 2, 3, finish. So he told Marco, I'm going to go Boston, right? Because NE Wong was operating a gambling house. He had some kind of partnership, but he was doing some gambling thing. So he's going to ask him for, you know, a few dollars so he could bring it back and, you know, give it to the crew and then survive for that. For that moment he got off the plane. And when he walked to China down that street, he never make it to see New York. Never seen him. They forced him, right? They beat him so bad to give some name. When he the last breath, he didn't give up. No name. He died. Yeah. So they talk very highly of him. I never met him. So now when we did this book, because Lee Wong died that day, I was there. I was at the club. How he died. I know me and Margo beat up this guy because he gave us the order. Now when he died, Timothy Lee Lee Wong came back to New York. He took control of us now, but we were still in the outskirts of nowhere.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Right by where? The Flying Dragon territory. Doyle and Chatham. We were in Parkwood, Chatham. That's where we stay. So he went to that coffee shop that day. Now, at this same period of time, Nikki Louie was doing time in Marcus Island. So there's no entertainment or anything like that. So there's a club and a mediocre club. So when I show the writer, this is where it happened. This is the club. This is a club. He said, we can think shit. I'll see you. Where's the club? So we always go there. So now.

[Mark Gagnon]

And there was a Chinese club.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, Chinese club. Yeah, Chinese singer. Mediocre shit. The piano singer. Nothing big. No, nothing big. Smaller than a restaurant. So he said Niwon came back in New York. A lady called Debbie. She's very pretty, pretty tall. Chinese girl. And another guy called Pork's house. Right? Pork Chop. Pork's House. Like the one you eat. Pork Chop, we call Poxhop. Yeah, we got a comedy family called Itchy Ass. Itchy Ass, Yeah. When the prosecutor called those name. Right. That was your real name. And then AKA blah blah, blah. Yeah, the judge laugh. Yeah, Crack out. You guys got some funny name.

[Mark Gagnon]

They are funny names. All the nicknames are funny.

[Peter Chin]

So my name's pretty normal, right, kid? Forget that.

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Peter Chin]

Now, Li Wong came back with some tool. He took control. Now look at his age, right? We got. No, we didn't never object to nothing. Because all of us are pretty young. And by saying that he was the oldest generation. This is the second generation before. So all those guys up there, now the Oolong tongue. Find out we don't belong to the unknown. Find out who did it. The Gold Shadow did it. They got pissed. They want 30,000 to head.

[Mark Gagnon]

30,000.

[Peter Chin]

You could buy a house. They would say, buy a house. Not a rental house. Buy the whole house.

[Mark Gagnon]

But they wanted revenge.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, they wanted. Okay, we want to show you something, right? So they. The tong put out contract. Whoever hit a Gold Shadow. No matter their ranking low or high. 30,000. You get 30,000. Wow. Okay. Now the paper says Ni Wong set him up. It makes sense. Now even the paper Boston paper. I could never get a hold of that. Because of Mike. He went to the RK and everything, right? I don't know how to do shit. So I said, Mike, I was there that night, right? Now this is different. How? Nee Wong died. How Ni Wong set him up, right? This came later. I find out. Because. Wait a minute. You are kosher animal. But you could stay in Boston. And Ni Wong never. I mean. I mean, Timothy Delin never get to see you. And the paper said you gave them the information. Now the paper said it. But a lot of things.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's dangerous though.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Not a lot of things that you can't believe everything the paper says. But I could match them up. I could put them all together. Because one thing doesn't make sense. Because why you are ghost shadow. You even though that you lived there before, but they know you was involved with them. 30,000. How come you could survive up there? You're still breathing up there, right? I don't know that he took the 30,000 as a reward. That I don't know. But the paper said he gave him information to the town.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

The town sent the hit.

[Mark Gagnon]

He set up the hit.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So he never passed by. I mean, never saw neon because of that. They said Timothy Lee's coming. He's on his way. Because nobody know he was going there. Margot told me. He said, nobody know. I told him not to go. I told him that. So we told him. They said those brothers said I wasn't there yet. By the way, I came in so that. No, don't go. Timmy. We go. We go with you. No, no, no. It's better off I go myself. Anything I could handle. So he took it all on his own, the paper, the last breath. He never. He never read it.

[Mark Gagnon]

He never read it.

[Peter Chin]

He died. Yeah, he died. So the paper says that Niewang set him up. Niewang came back being a boss. So that day when I walk in, I saw Niewang in the big round table by himself. And I saw Mongo dragging this guy, right? Older man, not older man, but dragging him. This guy called Mark M A R K. I don't know. It's the whole name they got, but I just couldn't remember. He was an ex cop from Hong Kong. Oh, wow. So I didn't know what it was. But I saw Marco Jack. Jack him, right? So I give him help, you know, whatever Marco do, I'm okay with it. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

You're a dream, Breena guy.

[Peter Chin]

You know what I do, you know, So I. So he took him to the bathroom. Me and Mango stuck his head. We beat him so bad. Now by the time we're done with him with doom on street, he lost face. That's what he want. See, that's how important Chinese is. Because that knee wall made him lost faith. That American newspaper, even Chinese newspaper, say it was a love triangle affair, which is Debbie and Pork Chop and him.

[Mark Gagnon]

Is that true?

[Peter Chin]

No, it wasn't true. So I said. I said, mike, the guy that you know, convinced me to do this book, the retired detective. I said, mike, no, you Will find more then he find it. I said, mike, every time I saw Debbie, I never want to see vanilla.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, there was never a love triangle or never an affair.

[Peter Chin]

Every time I see Debbie, I see pox. I never see one time that I bump into him. It's Debbie with New Orleans. So it can't be. So now this guy came and shot him in the club. Is the guy that we beat him up. I was there, so I know. So now that night, oh, what a coincidence. They went. You got to believe this man. It's just sometimes it's just impossible. So now Ni Wong was on the right hand side. I was on the left hand side. We had a roundtable. So I always have a piece with me. Well, I would tell my boss to carry a piece, you fucking. So I want to carry. I want to know how it is. Yeah, I always have it. That was 380 all the time. So now D1 is already there with Debbie. Then we walked in later on and then we find a spot where he directly right, he's on the left floor, that side a table. A table like two person table, a small one. So we overhead with a big round. Because we had a lot of guys. Me, a few other guys. Taiwan, Mongol, all the guys that was older days, they were there. But if you talk about a lot of people, we don't have that. A lot of people. He got a lot of still small. Yeah, small. So we sat at that table and Taiwan don't like the drink. I don't like the drink. I don't like the drink. So he got up, he got boring. Say let's. Let's go play a couple of hand up domino. Go to gambling houses, right? Okay. So everybody got up. I got everybody. So I got up. No, no, no, no. You're too young to go. What? I just robbed the fucking gambling. I'm not too young to rob the gambling, but I'm too young to go.

[Mark Gagnon]

You can rob it but you can't play.

[Peter Chin]

I cann there. Okay, okay. Then. Then they told me to give this gun to that guy, right, the older man. Now this older man, you see him a lot? I don't know. With Lee Morgan. That's the only person he be with. And I had doubt. I looked at him. I always trust myself with the guns.

[Mark Gagnon]

That you're not going to give it to someone else.

[Peter Chin]

So I said give it to him now. He gave the order to give it to him. Yeah, pass that piece. Give it to him. We'll be right back. He said we're Coming back very fast. So I know there's only two places they could go they cannot go with Mott street and Campbell. You got to bring, you know, guns down there.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, they're crazy.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So we'll be right back. Soon as they walked out, here come the mark, the ex cop. Because after that lose faith abuse. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

You just beat him up.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. But it was like three weeks later. But it wasn't that long. He waited the right time. But as today, I think somebody told him where he's at. But I don't know about that. But triangle. I know it's not. So he. You know how you go into a theater where dark and you know, you got to take a second to focus your eyes, let your eyes reverse to see. You know, everything is he like he know he walked from. He came in like little bit fast paced, but he wasn't running. Boom. First shot got the girl. The girl? Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Debbie.

[Peter Chin]

Debbie, yeah. On the head. Boom. Boom. I was behind him because he had in the middle like this, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

You were with them?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. I couldn't go to gambling houses. They went outside of sitting there with nothing in the club. So I said I was. I was having doubts. Could before this happened tell me the hand that got to this over the.

[Mark Gagnon]

And you have no gun?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, I have no gun. And then. Then wait about 10 minutes. I said shut up. Oh, fuck. They said, yeah, I was thinking crazy. Yeah, my guy. They left 10 minutes. There you go. This guy Mark sat fire. Then I didn't know this was him because it was dark in there. So I didn't know it was him because I couldn't remember him. So now he remember what happened. I seen all the motion he did. He had a Swift and Wesson. 38.

[Mark Gagnon]

Smith and Wesson. Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So after he shot six, he swing that barrel out one by one and load it again one at a time. I saw him because I'm right behind him. So that's why I always thought I don't think I could save him because it happened so fast. Because he did miss why. So now apartment number six. That's 12. He asked to manager. He was saying really loud, turn on the light. Turn the light. Now when the light turned, he turned around. He saw me. He pointed the gun at my forehead. He remembered me. Dan hesitated. I'm not going to shoot you. He went to the front door where he came in, right. The cashier and put the gun down. So the detective came in and why was the detective coming in and waiting for the ambulance? So I walked the knee Wong. He wearing a brown suede half jacket to the waist. I counted his bullet. Nine. He had nine bullets. Then we had one. That's 10, right? I didn't count them all yet until I came home, did this thing. I really focused. Fucking guy, he ran a bullet. Wow. He didn't shoot me because one guy, I remember one guy, our guy got scraped through that bullet. That's.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's 11.

[Peter Chin]

10, 11. And one was on the wall. Wow. He was really shot. So 12. He ran out bullet. I guess he don't have no more.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's. That's what saved your life?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So he pointed at me. I could tell you my emotions. I was too young. I don't know. I didn't say nothing. I didn't say anything back to him. Yeah, I was. I don't know what my feeling was. I wasn't scared or that scared. I don't know. I just.

[Mark Gagnon]

Frozen.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Frozen in time. Look at this joke. He's not going to shoot me. Then I find out, you know, I did this. I count the bullet. Wow. He ran out of bullet. That's why he said that. Okay. So I went over there. This is the first time I went that close to see a body. Wow. I said, shit. Now this is something new to me. Everything I see now is new. Because last day, I never experienced anything in my life. So I never had that kind of experience. A lot of things, not just this.

[Mark Gagnon]

Did it mess with your psychology?

[Peter Chin]

Well. What? He died?

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. Like seeing these people die in front of you, did it affect you?

[Peter Chin]

They didn't affect me. But you know, it tells me like how they die. You could die like that, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

This is real?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, this is real. So wait a minute. Their lip turned purple. I said, shit. That's how they die when people die. And they know that. I never knew that. Wow. So both of the left turned purple. Oh, okay. So I said, okay. Something deal with. So now he's dead. Where about when he died? Dicky Louie came back out from Marcus island. So he took control of it. Okay, now go back that day. He got beat up that day about three weeks the most. Something like that. He came back for revenge because he felt he lost faith. The new spirit of God is that. Is we involved with Debbie because the.

[Mark Gagnon]

Love triangle or whatever, she's dead.

[Peter Chin]

Why she's dead. No, I got nothing to do with it. I told my. No 100%. I said it had nothing to do with that. I said now. Then the paper came out, we found it. Then ne Wall made that phone call, said Timothy is on his way up. I don't know. Did he ever say that? Did he collected the whatchamacall, the bounty? Yeah, yeah. The bonus or whatever. Yeah. So I didn't say that. But they said he made the phone call and sold him out. That always on my. In my. In my head. Right. Could that scenario change if that gun was with me that day?

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, you could have always.

[Peter Chin]

The thing is always with me. It happened that day. They told me to hand it to him.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

It's just that day, either there's two or three guns there, but it's always with me.

[Mark Gagnon]

I had one and you were behind him.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So now he's headed to him and the guy no way inside after that the shooting, he came back now. So it is always there that. Oh man, maybe I could save him, maybe not. I don't know because I don't have that to answer that now. I don't care because he's so one of the brother and he.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow. So when Nikki Louie takes over.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, so Nikki came out of jail, he took over.

[Mark Gagnon]

And why do you eventually call a hit on Nikki?

[Peter Chin]

Okay, not me. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me because of. It wasn't my war. It was not my. See, this is how it went. So now Nick is in charge. Nick is the boss. So we move to Pell. We took Pell. Nicky moved. Nicky was there when we moved to Mutt. We had so many people that day. The plan is set up at 8:00. We're going to do this move. We're going to go in there. Black Eagle, White Eagle. We're going to stump them, right? And then plan everything out. We have sharpshooter up there.

[Mark Gagnon]

The whole operation?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, the whole operation. We block them in from all corner. We're coming on the street. There's one side by side corner. Two come from here. Two come from here. We will. So that's their plan. I'm not the boat. I do as what I told. So now that day I had a fever. 103. Nikki said, oh shit. Hey, Pete, I can't go. Get some rest. I'm gonna give you some pill. Go to sleep first I'm gonna take you to my mom's place, his mother house, mother owned store downstairs, right? Candy store, something like that. So he took me up to his house. I slept. So now I slept, have a fever. So now by the time he like hit my shoulder, get up, huh? I don't know what the fuck I was so. Okay. It's time. It's time. And touched me again. Holy shit. You still have. I have fever or no fever. I knew what time is it, Right. I know he made this plan. Let's go, let's go. So then I pick up my three. They put it. No, no, no, no. Don't use that. I'm gonna give you one. No, I got one. Don't. You don't need to give me one. No, no, no. He gave me a shotgun.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

The shotgun was cut, saw off. Shocking, you know. 12 gauge. Yeah, yeah. So I had a belt strap around the hole. They drill a hole on that. That the. The end of the. The socket. Right. It's wood. So they cut the top and cut the end there. So now it's this size. Right. And some of the pictures you see here. Yeah. Right here in this book. I was wearing a long coat. Like today. I went. I remember it was cold in the winter. We went down there in the winter. So I strapped it around and then. Let's go. So we go. So I remember clearly that night when we walked in March by 8:00 we marched in there. Didn't end until 5 in the morning. That situated as. Okay, now, we had this. We could put the flag out.

[Mark Gagnon]

There's a standoff gunfight.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. The police came down there with this sergeant, like 30 cops. Because they right behind Elizabeth. Right footprint. You know that, right? Yeah. So we all want just back to back. They hear the gunshot. They all ran down with feet. So, okay, come down, shake and look around. Couldn't find nothing. So they went back because they're not going to stay there all the time. Three hours in the cold. They went, hey, again, Again. They came back again. So by the time we kick all the black eagle, white eagle out, you take over Mott. We take over Mott right now, she don't want to get up. I give it up. They driving through. They won't drive. And Mott, because Mott is such a narrow plane, if there's another car there, you're stuck, you're not going. You can't make it out. So they drive the canal, the big street, the Harlem tunnel. That. Yeah. And start firing shot in there. Right. But the second time they did that. Okay, now we're going to play different games because we wait for them out there in that corner. Yeah. Till 5:00. That's where we. Wow.

[Mark Gagnon]

Did you lose any men in the battle?

[Peter Chin]

No, no, no. But we beat up a lot of the whole thing is that we want to take over Mark first, not that we want to kill them all on the street. That's not going to do us a little bit. That's going to bring a lot of heat.

[Mark Gagnon]

You just want the territory.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

So we took it.

[Mark Gagnon]

So you take Vermont and Nikki, Louie's still the boss.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he's still the boss. Now I answer the questions you asked me. So he's still the boss. So I got nothing against him. Nothing at all. He know. So in that year in 1976 and 77 in New York Chinatown, there was not one time. Only one family or gang monopolized controlled the whole Chinatown. We did it. We took Mott. I mean, we took Pell and we took Maat. So we took everything, the main part. And we from third, poor from outside. But we got bored.

[Mark Gagnon]

And now you control the whole Chinatown.

[Peter Chin]

We did so that. That right there. When we moved to Mott, we already have Pell Pelsi, but Pelshi is nothing there. You know, it's kind of like a slump place. You don't want. You don't want to be there. That's why we gave it back. Later on that they came around the flying drag. We don't care. They take that fucking little street. Yeah. So we have what we got. So we're happy with. But yeah. Pelshi, when we move in there now, and the first time in the history again is on both sides. Why both sides? With the tongue. The first like us, me, Nikki and all those we move in Peru. Uncle Benny took us in the hip sink. We are the member of the hip sink that when we fought down to Matt. It's all different tongue now. They used to be against each other, right? Big one. Now the youngaku, they all belong to that member.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow. We are the only one everyone control. Everyone's in the same tong. Everyone respects Uncle Benny.

[Peter Chin]

No. Yeah. We. We had only crew that split with two tongues.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

The Black eagle is with the fly jacket is with the. With the hipster tongue. No other tongue. But we. We fought this part territory. Then we joined that tongue. Now we got backbone now. You know, we got a place to be now. Then when we took it all things are pretty good. Yeah. So we're going to send those new guys to here, right? So it's the first time in the history.

[Mark Gagnon]

So then what happens with Louie?

[Peter Chin]

Okay, Nikki, Louie, like I just said, he's the guy that could call the shot. He said, no, no. He said one, two, or whatever. There's no three, all right? There's no vote. So now we all respected him actually. So this war is actually Taiwan and him. That's the war between him. Now, later on. Later on in years, Taiwan wants to kill me. What I want, I could smash him fast. But Mongol that he grew up with, the guy I really respected with his uncle. I even went. Went to Baltimore and talked to him, you know, I said, he told me, you know, you know, just think what, Whatever you want to do. Do he know about me? So. But he grew up with him. No, I said, Michael, I. I told him straight up, I'm not going to kill him. If I could have, I could have killed. When I went to the hospital, they always told me they wanted. They was. He was moving things. But I can't do it with my own people. I cannot do it. Not like, you know, how you see the mop. You died, your best friend kill you. I can't do it. I got so far. But with other people, if you're not my. I could do it. Yeah, I got the one.

[Mark Gagnon]

But your family, your brothers, yeah, Ever.

[Peter Chin]

Since I was 13 years old, this is my family. This is my family. I see one go, it hurts.

[Mark Gagnon]

You can't betray them.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, you know? Yeah, I can. So now, Nikki was the boss now, right? Unofficially, officially, as the boss. We don't want to challenge me. I'm the last one out of five. I'm the youngest one. Remember, if anybody before me, I respect them. I really respect them. I don't care you did anything with, you know, as long as you was before me. I respect you as an elder. I don't care how much thing you did or don't do. But if you're a rat, I don't care who you are. I would not respect you at all. I don't care. Because in our line of work, you can be a gangster, right? And a fucking rat, and then turn around, you want to be a police. All right, you can't sit on both sides, right? You know, with me, that's why I say if I could shoot somebody, that person could shoot me back. It's fair, right? Well, what do you mean? He can't shoot you. You know, this is a fair game. So I accepted that. So now Nikki Lewis running this organization, right? So he said, yes, you will go me, I don't know about them. I don't think so too, because I'm not thinking about money. Even today. I don't think about it anymore. If I did, this book came out 20 years. Yeah, because I didn't give up three times. The writer came out Not Everett. When I was inside prison. They want my story.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

I didn't want it.

[Mark Gagnon]

I don't want to rat. I'm not going to tell the story.

[Peter Chin]

No, not rat about my life. So it's too painful for me because every time, even though when Eric write this book, the first interview he had me, look how old I am. 60, 40 years. It's fucking silly, right? I'm fucking. Having taken a while because it hurt. I got to stop the meeting as ever.

[Mark Gagnon]

Really?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. I said, let me go freshen up, give me an hour to come back to talk to you. Yeah. It boils down to, you know, that's why I say, Eric, this has. If my mother's name is not there, this book is dedicated to her. I don't want it. You could give me. I don't. You could give me all kind of offer. I don't want. But when I was inside, they wanted the last time. Every time they come up, they increase the offer. They said. I said, no, I cannot give you that story because I don't want to. Remember, they'll bring it back. Even my sister said. When I wrote this book, she said, don't do it. She's against it. Then later on the son talked to her and she's okay with it. But in a way, I looked at it. I always want to keep it to myself. Not to bring it out again. But they might say, in a way, it's good to like if it helps somebody.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

So now Nikki Lou was the boss and I respected him because I'm not bound. So now we are making so much money. The lawyer was saying we could bought a franchise every two months. 160,000 a franchise.

[Mark Gagnon]

McDonald's every month.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. Those days in the late 70s. Late 70s. So what is to now? The last time I heard was 2 million, right? I don't know. So.

[Mark Gagnon]

But anyway, you're making crazy money.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. He was a boy, you know, officially of the world. So us five, now he got to look at this. We was always with him. This five, right? Whatever he says, we don't challenge him or no. So that day they called for a meeting. They had a meeting. I didn't know there was a meeting. I was driving my car in Firebird and going up to the go out across the bridge. He said, hey, Bungo. And I forgot. Bungo and who? Hey, kid, where you going? We have a meeting, right? Oh, I said, no, Bungo. I just met up with a girl that she lived in Queens. I never met anybody in Queens. I don't know Queens. I said, I just met a girl in Queens. I said let me go see her, I'll be back. I said, I'm sure. I'm also 100% sure if the way the meetings take place I will be back before the meetings end. But it didn't happen that way. So when the meeting's on it it didn't take long. They got up and Taiwan, Taiwan. Taiwanese boy said he want to order the book. He wanted to check the book. He wanted to see where the book go the money went with all this money, where it went. So now he wants to question Nikki now. So now being that we stayed him, Mongo, Applehead and me, we stayed close together a lot. So now he wants to check the book. So a guy named Spider was with Nicky. He's an older guy, like older days. I don't think Nicky knew about it. I mean of course after he's seen it, what happened. But he didn't plan it this way. I don't think he did. I'm going to ask him one day. So Spider, poor dirty, pointed at Taiwanese the temple. You got no fucking. You got no right. And you're not in a position to check the book, right. So now when they second there, they ran out of stairs. Meeting's over, right? So when I dried out from the Manhattan Bridge going to where the tunnel at. So by about mat I saw Apple had waving at me. My uncle was standing there. I said what happened? Is it over? Then he told me wow, this is what happened. This is what took place, right? Yeah. I said wait, wait, wait. If that's the case, get all the guns before they get it because everybody know where the gun's at. That's the safe place, right? So they don't we know anybody anything. They know where to get. So they find the only thing they can find is 2 fucking 22. Where's all those big guns?

[Mark Gagnon]

They talk, wait, and who's looking for the guns?

[Peter Chin]

We were looking for. They were looking for the guns because we knew. Now don't forget Nikki Tsai pointed a gun at Taiwan.

[Mark Gagnon]

At Taiwan, boy.

[Peter Chin]

Taiwan, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

So now there's a split from that day.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

People want to know the books. Nikki's not showing the books. And Nikki's guys are like hey, if you ask for the books, we're going to kill you.

[Peter Chin]

Well listen, the gun already took out.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah. So now it's split.

[Peter Chin]

So now with me, my philosophy is I don't know I'm right or wrong. We both now if anything was okay, go Back there and fight to kill yourself or whatever with fist or whatever, with knife. But you pull a gun to somebody's temple, you are. Yeah, because there is a way of negotiating talk, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

We can be peaceful and diplomatic.

[Peter Chin]

I bet. I almost. I bet my life. But I never asked him that. One thing I'm going to ask Nikki. Did he knew about this beforehand? I don't think he know. So being that you're the boss, he took the blame. Don't. I said, go get the gun on this side, right. Mango me, stinky bug, Apple and few other guy. He had all his old coup with him. His old coup never stick with him to the end. No. So now Nikki Dae Kung, they took. They found a gun before them. I said, where are they? They gave me the gun. Now give me the gun. And then I said, where are they? I don't know. They got to be here somewhere, right? Okay. This is all the gun we have now for right now. Okay. So I took the.22. I gave the other one to a nose, Pipe nose. Then I said, pipe nose, just do what I do. As I said, I'm allowed these rulers. That's what I'm saying. So now they found they speak into one of the restaurants on Bay Street. The window on the outside is pretty small. Like a Jewish anticon that got aboard. Pete inside and he got excited. And those guys, Nicky ain't stupid. So Nicky spotted him before he said that he stuck his head Nikki. So Abu had. He see, Abu had leave the window, his face up there, right? He knew something's going to happen. They ran out. Then when Abu had ran Prayer street, not even too much yet between Baya and There's a mark and Elizabeth, right? He spotted him. And in between that street, the 2 Street Mart and Elizabeth. But it's on Bayer now. I was all the way close to Mobile street there. You know, you call me. I'm a flyer over there. So I ran as fast as I can. So I emptied all my bullet. I mean, they were half a block, but I still emptied it. So now sold out into the restaurant. No, they went out. They're coming out. When I. They called me, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

As soon as Nicky sees Onion, he runs.

[Peter Chin]

No, no, Apple head.

[Mark Gagnon]

Apple head. After he sees Apple, he runs.

[Peter Chin]

They're like, he's gone, right? Apple head leave. No, they knew something's going to happen.

[Mark Gagnon]

So they bounce.

[Peter Chin]

They bounce now. They bounce, they bounce that way, but it's too far away. So only Apple and our people staying on one side of the street. They were Running on the other side of the street towards that way, right. So I ran to that street. It was too far away. So I emptied the bullet. Now I'm not going to run the same way. The way they went as I went the opposite way. So we talk about when we were young, if we ever get lost or separated, we go to the arcade. The 42nd Street. Right, the 42nd Street. Those days, you know, they got a lot of arcade.

[Mark Gagnon]

Like a game, like an arcade.

[Peter Chin]

And we talk about that before. So now I don't know where to go. So the only thing that I could go in was the gambling house is on the corner of Bayer and Maat. That's the closest I got. So I ran in there with my, with my buddy. I emptied all my bullets. He did too. So went in there, I took the doorman out. He watched a door of people and see who was there. Who allowed to come in that. Okay, you dismiss now. You just go ahead. I said you. I told no sit right here. You know who to live in. Now let me go to the back, see if I can find a tunnel. All that tunnel they're talking about. You know what I'm saying? There is a lot of words that say back then. Yeah, it is when they have war, the tongue, a hetcherman. If they kill you on this block, they wind up in five blocks down the road. Because they go to the tunnel.

[Mark Gagnon]

There's old tunnels.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. But now that's why they cemented.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, really? So at this time there was a whole tunnel system underneath all the gambling houses.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. You see how many basements inside the town. You won't monitor it. You see a lot of basement, a lot of basement. All tunnels. Yeah. Could go different way. So they had that tunnel, fight the tung war. The tower. So the tower those days, you know, is, you know, you know the Qing dynasty with the big pigtail. Yeah. Those days they here, they provide the tower. Wow. Yeah. So now I look for the place I'm stuck. Fuck. So I looked twice. While I was looking, a phone call rang. So one of the employee. Oh, okay. There's a phone call for you. Phone call for me? I don't like my side of people. Right. They ran to a phone, okay. They wait for me. I don't want them. So. Oh, this is Nikki. Okay. He says, can I come down and see you? Can I talk to you? I said, listen, Nicky, I'm not the guy you're supposed to talk to. I said, the guy between you or whatever, the guy, I wasn't even there. It's you and Taiwan. Let me come down and talk to you. It's not me.

[Mark Gagnon]

I don't talk to Taiwan, boy.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, yeah. So I hung up. I hurry up. She was trying to look for the out, you know, the back door. He'd call again within five minutes. Pete, kid, come on, seriously, let me tell her. I'm not going to carry nothing down, okay? And I'm not going to bring nobody down. I'm going to come down myself and talk to you. Yeah. So I said, okay. Now, I was thinking about how the fuck I leave here. Yeah, I will use him. So I was thinking, a light bulb popped in my head. I can't get out of here. So I will use Nicky as my, what you call pawn to get me out. Okay? Okay, come down. You can talk to me. So before he walked in, he showed. He turned around and everything, showing the people nothing. Okay. He came down, he talked to me. So he said back and forth, back and forth. And I told him what I just. My thought was, I said, why? No, it doesn't matter how bad it is. It doesn't have to be that way to pull a gun to another brother. So what's that, like, supposed to mean when you do that, pulling a gun? Everything stopped. It was right there. And he said, he was telling me to ask me to go on his side. He was trying to convince me. I said, dicky, you know there's an old saying in Chinese. Your palm, there's meat. Your hand, your skin can't meet no matter which side you go. So I said. I said, listen, it's not me, actually. I'm the youngest guy. I cannot even call like the shot to do what not to do. You know, it's not my turn yet, so I don't want to be that. I said, I think you should talk to Taiwan Taiwanese boy.

[Mark Gagnon]

Because this thing involved with them, it's those two.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, but if he don't know, yeah, let them two or you three solve it out, right? But no. So now, that night, he tried to convince me in 45 minutes. And then the last one, he said he want me to go on his side. I says, you're making this too hard. You know, he did. I think that's the only part. I think he's really dumb. If you are the boss, you should try to pull them together, try to make this thing. But he did not one attempt that he tried to do that. He was trying to tell me to go on his side. Yeah, that's crazy. You want to split? You want this to split. There must be a reason for you want to. I don't think so long. So maybe, you know, he said he's bond and things like that, right. But I think that chest that he moved upon. Yeah. If I asked him, I think he's the guy. He wouldn't admit it if he thinks so. I'm going to ask him one day. Tony, don't say and break it down to him. I would ask him. I think he's going to say, yeah, he made a mistake.

[Mark Gagnon]

Because he could have gone to Taiwan Boy and cleaned it up and then kept everything together. But instead he's going to the bottom guys or the young guys and saying, hey, join me. Letting the split happen.

[Peter Chin]

Now here's the problem. Why we shot this out. We went to the hospital. He almost died. But over this. So about a week went by. Nicky's crew, one side, same block. We across the street, one side facing each other. It's just about when it happened. There was no talking nothing. And they over there talking shit. Over there talking shit.

[Mark Gagnon]

And it's you and Mongol and Taiwan Boy.

[Peter Chin]

And yeah, a few other. Yeah. So day one, they would go both sides. Doesn't want to give up. Later on, after Nikki left, after we shot him, he left for eight years. He still wants. He still had another attempt. Came back trying to take the street. I'm telling you. So. But anyway. So that night, about two weeks or three weeks passed by. I don't think it's three weeks, maybe two weeks. They don't talk. They were talking shit to his. And then. And then what? It's about to happen. Either you die, he died. Or who died? We don't know. So one day, then that incident happened then. No, like we split. He's standing on one side street. His people, we stand on one side. The both doesn't want to give up. I was there. Not giving up or give up. I'm there to help, you know, I kind of say so. Four of you would say anything. I wouldn't even object to because I'm the last guy. I'm the youngest guy. You know what I'm saying? I got to respect you. The Don will not handle me until those four get it first. If they don't want it different, right? But I don't want it. But anyway, he asked me, you think about it. He told me, nikki, the last word. Think about it before you give me the answer. Think about it. Think about it hard. I said, nicki, I would have had my mind that I'm not going to Go war against Mongol. He's a really, really good brother. So I didn't see Taiwan that way. Later, he wanted me. He wanted. My head seems crazy. So now this thing started with Mongo, started with Taiwan and Nikki, right? Split. So one day, Stinky Buck was on the street and he was up. He was the only guy there, I think I see. And he pulled me over. I came out. Say, kids, come on, come on. I just saw Nicky. Went down to the basement. Well, down the basement, when you first walked in, there's two barber chairs. Three barber chairs. The old side, one with the leather safe. I know he's not talking, cutting air. And behind that door, there's a barbershop. That behind a little bit, there's a door that you go in. Maybe small entertainment. Entertainment. But they're gambling among each other. Like, friend. That mahjong I got. Mahjong is a very popular game with Chinese. Especially a woman. When they play that game, they hook to it. Like heroin. Yeah, they don't want to cope no more. They don't want to babysit no more. They just want to go out and flip. They don't want to do that thing no more. Don't ever let a woman play that. So now he told me that he's down there, right? So I said, oh, and I knew that place. I mean, we all know that's just me.

[Mark Gagnon]

So he's in the basement.

[Peter Chin]

The basement. Upstairs restaurant. The basement. When you walk in, it's same building. It's the same building. So at the same time, the same building on the restaurant. And side by side, there's a door going in, right? Like residential. And there's a door. It's a restaurant door. Kitchen. So you go inside from here. Or you could go from the kitchen. The restaurant on the lobby floor, right on the street floor. So you go like. And then. But it's the same building. So you go into the entrance. Residential, but the same building. The one side is a restaurant. So in the middle, downstairs in the basement is. What's it called? It's a mahjong. Like three table, four table, small place. And how. The door to that mahjong from the back, which is the restaurant. You go into the restaurant. You see all the coke, the wok. But you go down this way. Then you would. There's a paper door. Like the paper door. Like, it's not even hardwood. It's paper door. You just slide that door. Nick is sitting there. I know that everyone. So I told someone, spot where he's at. They gave me the information back went, okay, I'm gonna go get this piece now. I was gonna do it. So I went and while I was walking, shit thinking, oh, potato's here. Potato is with us for a while. But he was untested. You know, let's see if he could do it. This guy got boredom. I'm not even sure about it, could he do it? So I grabbed Potato because Potato, you know, understand my. When I talk to him, that's a potato. Listen, now there's something getting ready to happen. I was thinking about, I'm going to do it right, but forget about Potato. But he happened to be there. Yeah, I saw him. I said, potato, okay, this is serious thing now if you tell me you can't do it, you're afraid to do it, so whatever reason, just tell me this has to be done right. And I told him it has to be done the way it is. You could say I got black hearted or what. Now when we go to war, either you or me, right? So either you or me. So he has to be dead, period. If not now that I'm afraid of him. But he's going to come back in behind, just pain in the ass, you know what I'm saying? So I don't want that. Pain is always there, you know. So I said, it has to be right. But if you tell me, don't you I'm not capable to. I got nothing against you. I'm not going to hold that against you. I understand.

[Mark Gagnon]

You just got to get done.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, so I told him. So now how did you want to walk in from the back? His head is facing that. He's facing the front. You think, Nikki. But there's a door in his back that he didn't know that we were coming from that where he faces on the street, people walk down the basement, come to the barbershop and walk in there. He could see all that people. He's really smart, I gotta give him that. So now I told him first thing is to head an empty order bullet where you know, to a head or whatever. So that's how he got that thing right. Now he went in, he did exactly what I told him. But I didn't believe him after all because Nicki ran out of place.

[Mark Gagnon]

He lived.

[Peter Chin]

He lived. I mean literally. He went to the fifth precinct, he walked, he went there. How could it?

[Mark Gagnon]

Shot in the head.

[Peter Chin]

I mean, all that shit. I said, it's almost impossible. But I was wrong. But he was right, he was right. Anyway, so now I said, no, you just slide that Ball open and he's like two inches from you. That's it. You had to hit him on that. If I knew he was going to live, I wouldn't let him do it. I do it. I know because I knew he was going to live. And stupid me. So what happened? I could have blocked him off in the front. I never thought of that.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

I was young. I never thought. I thought that hit was done.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, it was easy.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. So he came from the front. What happened? He emptied all the bullet. What happened was that the guy. Three other people played with it. Mahjong, the domino. The guy, of course, if he saw his face, shocked. So he looked. That's how it got him there and it got him out. But he lives the guy, that guy don't know. Like he's shocked. It must have nothing to do with it. It was killing that guy. Right. But he got shocked. So that's how now he got shot. The mahjong. It was in the back that he ran across going up to the front. Now he got to pass that barbershop. Yeah, the little barbershop. That barbershop. But Dale was using that gun to whack him in the bar. He ran out bullet.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

He hit him with a gun. Then he somehow he wrinkled off. And then he ran upstairs and went to prison. And then he survived that. After that, I believe he got nine life. But all that night life they talk about before though, so.

[Mark Gagnon]

And then you and Nikki Louie are cell together.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, but he though. I know he know because they bought me. Those guys knows me. I don't understand like why Taiwan think of me somebody that I'm not. You guys know me. You guys brought me up. I don't understand that. So now you know what? I'm stupid me because I stay in front of that street where the entrance. You go walk down the basement. I just stand up there with another gun. You mean that? But I didn't think that that is impossible. That's it.

[Mark Gagnon]

There's no way that's.

[Peter Chin]

Oh, I said potato. I believe you, but I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. So now I could say that I should have believed him because he was telling the truth. But it's hard for me to believe.

[Mark Gagnon]

Is that story in the book?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

Then potato, potato brought him down. He was doing state 15 years, right? 15 delight.

[Mark Gagnon]

Potato was.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, Potato was for. For that case, right. He went there, Nikki. That's what I don't like. He went up there with this stand testify against potato. He got 15 tonight. Now whatever the testimony you used before, they could bring back the testimony because you said it on the witness that you sworn to that testimony to use this against you on this RICO again. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

So he didn't say it against you, but it did get used against you.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. No him because of what he says. Yeah. I'm the boss now. That boss. You said we could bring him back here, right? There's testimony they could use it. Like you could say 10 years ago, you, you, you swan, you swan it. Soup, right suit. Nothing but. But the truth. So now everything and, and the transcript and the statement you make, they bring it back to you. Backfire. So now they put Potato back to try to get me. He will do it. Wow. So that's what I'm saying. So. And then I all basically know new all my co defendant where they're at, you know, in federal prison. I've seen them or you know, I know where they're at. Except Potato. So now I was in Petersburg. He how many years after that? Maybe five, six years. And then all of a sudden they dropped him in Petersburg, right. I said he saw me and then he had a glass, right? Reading glass. I said shit, I know he wears glasses. I said potato, what happened to you? Shit, man. I was in Marion federal prison. Marion was Max back then. You know what I'm saying? Right. Not Colorado, now it's Colorado. But there's only one maximum security was Marion Chicago. Yeah. So they put him there. 23 hour lockdown because he won't do what they want to do.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow. He never snitched.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Yeah. Now he said by that I'm always looking the same like link, like what, seven, eight by what? So my eye was never exercised. I always read book too. And then that's as far as I go. I see for three years I never could see like fox or green or you know, the same shit every day. It's so close as I turn bad.

[Mark Gagnon]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Chin]

So I hugged him and he hugged him. We got tails like a little bit. Then I said potato, meet me here. Meet me here tomorrow, right? Tomorrow I'm gonna bring all the stuff that you need, like shower, shoe. And you don't get them. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

You take care of them.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. It was like luxury. Yeah. Of course I took some other people. If I know you're not a rat, I'll take care of you. You know, that's not a problem. So that's why I say you could say anything about me. Peter James. Don't fucking do it. He's a bullshit Connor. I could take that. But you could not label me as a rat. I would not do that. If they. Anybody label me a rat, I would stand up my feet. Yeah. To challenge you. Because find something. Prove it. Something then I can see. No, no, he said that. Don't tell me he said that.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Peter Chin]

Even though. Especially that when you're in prison, if somebody label a rat and you do a lot of that, you have a problem. You don't face a problem one way or the other.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, Peter, that's wild.

[Peter Chin]

So Dickie did that hit, right?

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

After that, he went to. Boss, he left. He left to Chicago. He went to Chicago. He didn't come back until years later. Right. And he's the one back on the street now when assassination on me. He got something to do with it. Yeah. And the detective that I went down to Florida to see him knew Mariello. He busts this cop is a super cop. So for some fucking reason, he has a nose like a German shepherd. He walked past by. Oh, you got.38. Come here. You know what I'm saying? He's sharp. This guy's really sharp. Really sharp. I met a lot of. I bump into a lot of detective and cop. Nothing come near him. Even Mike Moyes, the ex cop, he could tell you about it. He went down there, visit him. I said, go see him before he passed away, because they talking about he got cancer or something. Go see him. Even though I don't like him, but I, you know, you respect him.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Chin]

But you know, that's his job. You know, that's nothing. I know. This is what. He came to me when he locked me up. He came down to Maat. I'm sure they charged him. Attempted assassinate a witness. Okay, so he came to Mahat. And then he's a kid. Because I'm gonna give you respect. I'm not gonna put a handcuff on you. But you walk with me to the prison. Don't run. You run, I'm gonna shoot you. Right. So I walked him there, right? Then years passed by. When this time came, I fuck with. I messed with Neil. You're not gonna shoot me, right? You're gonna shoot me in the back. That's what you. Yeah. So we had. I took it. We went out there to eat. Florida? Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow. Is this after you got out?

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the reason, too. When we did this book. This book is two years, no more than one years ago. But he passed away.

[Mark Gagnon]

Is he. Oh, he passed away.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, he's a good guy. Yeah, he's a.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's wild.

[Peter Chin]

He's very, very sharp.

[Mark Gagnon]

It's crazy that all this can happen. Then you go to prison, you reconnect with Nikki, Louie, you guys are cellmates. And then you're connecting with the cop that arrested you and that you just kind of recognize, like, hey, that was life on the streets. That's what we had to do. Wow.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah. I'm a man that, you know, with a whole door for a lady. I'm going to tell you one perfect incident. I came home after I came home with. I came home from prison. I see a lot of things change. Certain things change. Yeah. Now, one day, I was eating and flushing, get ready to go to this restaurant. Got some friends who were waiting for me inside. I saw it was jizzling, right? I was walking this way. A lady and her children. What about me? Seven years old. The girl, I guess that's her mom, and she was pregnant. And another one, right? Owner. I came to the door, the restaurant. I saw her was coming. I waited a little while. So what? You know, a little way. So when she get ready to get closer, I pulled the door out. But about when she about, like two steps to the door, a guy was running from the rain. Boom, Boom. And went straight there like nothing happened. Now, what kind of man fucking man are you? You know what I'm saying? You don't do that. But, you know, a lot of people don't have respect or don't know about how to like, polite, you know what I'm saying? I got mad. I let the pregnant woman went in there with my daughter. I was thinking about what to do with this. So now, first of all, I gotta find him. I went look for him. He was searching. He was eating with a bunch of like 10 guys. He looked like Men's Diet, Men's Day or whatever. So I pointed at him. I said, you. He speak Mandarin. He speak Mandarin to me. So I said, yeah, you come up me one more time. Yeah, you come here. So he got up. I said, come on, come on. We're going to talk outside. I'm going to talk to you outside. He went with me outside. Still a little jojo. I pointed to him. Do I look like I work for you? No. Do I look like I'm a doorman that opened the door with a restaurant? No, I don't work for you. You don't know me. I said, did you see the lady just trying to go in? A pregnant lady with a daughter. I was like, boom, you opened the Fucking door yourself. I left her there. I just went back. Yeah, see, I got a lot of problem with me. When I came home and the guy named Kenny called me uncle, hooked me up with Michael Moyer. He seen it. He's seen a lot of. That's why I said I don't want to be outside when it's daytime. Especially daytime. Says it's so aggravated. Like, especially with car driver. I know. Respect. All they got to do, park it a little bit on the side. Let them go.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

No, they park it where you can't let go. Okay. That's not a big thing. But when I see something like involved with a handicap underdog.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Oh, a woman, a child is involved me. But people will say that none of your business. Why you my business. That's how I am. I cannot see those things. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

You're doing an injustice. You have a code. Like you live a life like especially back in your old days. Like you would do crime, but you still had honor. You still had a code.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, I do that because I don't get. I would jump out my car and then. And then. Because then they gave me a two year angry management program. Right. Increase. Listen, Robinson, the counselors of Robinson. Every time I go, we go and you know, with a bunch of inmates. No, no, with the people that had that maybe the judge sentence him and there for whatever reason, I don't know, some of them maybe paid to get there. But the judge sentenced me then for two years. Okay. So now the counselor was talking this subject. So most of the time when we talk about things like that, we would like make a circle with a chair. Right. Like the Indians smoking their pipe. Yeah. So this black guy, Black, he's a counselor, he teach that. So the subject was that no matter what it is, just hold down your composure and no matter how bad it is, let the police take over the situation. So that way you don't get. Okay. Now he say. He said okay. What about you, Chin? What do you think? Okay, you want to hear something, right? And I would ask you, you got to tell me from your heart. Don't lie. Don't bullshit. There's bullshit no use. So you promise you're not going to bullshit, you're not going to lie, right? Yeah. Okay. I will put this incident to you. I want to see what you're going to react, how you're going to do. Go on. Robinson, you and your mother was waiting on the corner of the street, waiting for the light to cause that all of a sudden somebody came in Smack your mother? What would you do? Tell me. You hold him down, let police come. Oh, no. Look, I would have punched him in the face. Stomp him. See the owners like we stood, right? We all laughing. See, you telling the truth.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Chin]

Certain things you cannot.

[Mark Gagnon]

You can't control.

[Peter Chin]

How I'm gonna. There's no way I could control. Why if somebody. Something doesn't hurt, but especially when it hurt. Like your heart. Yeah, it really hurt. Well, that's my mother I love. Like, maybe you love your father more or your mother. Somebody you love, you gonna let them get hurt like that?

[Mark Gagnon]

No.

[Peter Chin]

No way.

[Mark Gagnon]

You can't let it happen, right?

[Peter Chin]

See, you can ask me any day. Any time of day. For my sister, for my. I give him half an arm. No, half an arm and a leg comes with it. You can take it. Yeah, for my family. Well, Peter, you're come back another time if you want.

[Mark Gagnon]

This is great, man. I would. Yeah, let's.

[Peter Chin]

Because my story will not end in three days.

[Mark Gagnon]

I already know that. Yeah, yeah. We could talk all day. We talked almost three hours now. This amazing. So thank you so much, brother.

[Peter Chin]

Yeah, fine. Anytime you want me, I'll come back.

[Mark Gagnon]

I would love to speak with you about your time in. Your time in prison. You know, the. The. The events. Events that happened there.

[Peter Chin]

I like you.

[Mark Gagnon]

This was a. This was a great combo, brother. So thank you so much for the time. If you've made it to the end of this episode, that's because you rock with us. And for that, we rock with you. You are sophisticated. You enjoy honest, true communication. A highbrow type of person that understands this, his true history is not just dates and names. It is a tapestry of human triumph and tragedy. From the day Nostradamus made his first prophecy to the morning Paul Revere took his midnight ride from ancient oracles to modern revolutionaries. That is why I need you. If you have not already, please sign up for Today in History. Our free newsletter, Today in History brings you the stories that matter, the moments that changed everything, and the secrets hidden in time. Join thousands of history enthusiasts who get their daily journey through time. Don't let another day of history pass you by. Take the conversation to your inbox. Sign up now through the QR code or link in the description Today in History. Because history's stories shape tomorrow's world. Thank you for watching the episode. We'll see you next time.