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Mark Gagnon
There's no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited. And if you see our memo on Epstein.
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Christos
Our memo on Epstein clearly points out that there was no client list.
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Mark Gagnon
Our July 6th memo. Yep, you heard that right. They lied to us. The same FBI director who spent months promising to release the client list turned around and said, yeah, there's no client list. The same prince who settled a sexual abuse lawsuit for millions of dollars swears on his title that nothing ever happened. The same prison that was supposed to be watching the most high profile inmate in America somehow couldn't keep the cameras rolling and the guards fell asleep. And the same woman convicted of sex trafficking may have been secretly moderating one of the biggest forums on the Internet the entire time. These aren't just conspiracy theories. These are documents that came straight from Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. And today we're talking about every major revelation from those drops. Piece by piece, Doctor. Document by document. And we're going to decide what it all means. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, people? Welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagon, and thank you for joining me in my tent, where every single week, we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from around the world. From all time, forever. Yes. And I just want to say thank you so much for every person that's tuning in right now. Every time you comment, like, subscribe, post, share, any of that stuff, you help keep the fire burning here at the campsite. I also want to give a big shout out to my friend Christos. Christos, how are you, man? How did it feel seeing the Epstein files? Seeing all your enemies get taken out? Felt a lot of vindication. Nice. Yeah. All right. Not too much, but, yeah, that's great, dude. I'm glad that you got your get back, all right, from all these other people. Finally, you can have the island all to yourself. I'm the lone victim. Yeah, Christos might be, dude. I'm also joined by my dear pal, David Senchez. What's up, dude? So, a few things. One, I know that I said that I would never. That I, you know, I don't love doing current events, okay. But this one is just too enticing. And I got too many DMS from people being like, hey, you need to cover this. So here I am. Emergency podcast. We're dropping something topical. Oh, cue the lights. We don't have the lights queued. All right, that's fine. We'll Figure that out in post. Anyway, today we're going through some of the most interesting and damning files from the most re recent release of 3 million emails that came out of the Epstein estate as a part of the Epstein Transparency act that was passed back in November. And we're going to be going through basically what it all means. All right, now a couple things up top. First off, these are all allegedly. Okay, I'm not going to get sued. This is all speculation. And as we know, Christos, there are no victims. Right, no victims. And nothing bad ever happened. And this is all just a big misunderstanding. Oh, we got the lights going nice. Hell yeah. So with that said, we're going to be going through this piece by piece, trying to figure it all out. And turns out the conspiracy theorists were right. I owe my mother an apology. I think she was right about everything. And turns out the world is run by satanic pedophiles that control everything that's ever happened. As a matter of fact. You're not gonna call. Hey, Mark. Hello, Mother. I. I just wanted to give you a call. I'm currently live on the podcast and I just wanted to apologize. You're what? I'm live on the podcast and I just wanted to apologize to you. What are you apologizing for? Because my entire life you had told me that the world was run by satanic elite that do child sacrifice. And you know what? I thought you were a little crazy for that. But given the recent revelations in the Epstein files, I think you might be vindicated. So anything you want to tell the people it's not. I'm not happy, I'm vindicated. How about that? It's a great response. Media training has done you well. It's. It's not good news. I wish I were wrong, but hey, they're just allegations. Anyway. That. That's a great point. And we're going to put that a big allegedly in the description here, but you're. You're completely right. We're going to be going through some of the files here. I'll send you the episode later. Alrighty. All right, love you. Have a good. I love you too. Bye. Bye. Well, there you have it. Right from the woman's mouth. So let's start off with a very morbid revelation. I also want to acknowledge there are real victims here and actual people that are victimized in maybe the worst, most terrible, awful way of all time. So if we're going through this a little irreverently, just I want to point out that in the interest of Full disclosure. There are terrible things that have happened in actual victims, so I hope that all the victims get justice. With that said, in 2018, according to one email, allegedly Karina Schuliak, a personal assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, made an 8,400, $453 purchase from Wayfair. Now, the transaction appears in a Department of justice financial ledger tied to Epstein's estate. However, there's no receipt and no description of what was bought. Just a lump sum labeled Wayfair Miscellaneous. Now, if you had an Internet connection back in 2020, you probably remember the big Wayfair conspiracy. The allegation was that certain overpriced furniture listings on the platform, cabinets selling for 10,000, $15,000, and even sometimes with names attached to those of missing fronts for human trafficking. Now, of course, I don't support this conspiracy theory. This is crazy and insane. All right, legally, I have to say that. And obviously, Wayfair denied it and claimed that it was a result of the algorithm making pricing errors and third party seller markups. And honestly, for those specific listings, the explanation probably holds up. All right, maybe Wayfair is vindicated, okay? But here's the thing. When you're looking at an $8,000 unlabeled purchase tied directly to the estate of Jeffrey Epstein, a man whose operations we know through the conviction involved the trafficking of minors, this dismissal starts to feel a little premature. DOJ files show multiple similar transactions in Epstein's record. Unlabeled high value, vague descriptions. Now, the counterargument is pretty straightforward and worth hearing. Wealthy people make large, poorly documented purchases all the time. Epstein owned properties all across multiple states and countries. So an $8,000 Wayfair order could be patio furniture for his ranch in New Mexico or bedsheets for his Manhattan townhouse. There's no direct evidence linking this specific transaction to anything criminal beyond its general association with Epstein's finances. But there's also no explanation. And in a case where the financial trail is everything, where following the money has been the primary investigative strategy from day one. Unexplained high value purchases from a platform already surrounding this, you know, trafficking allegation, at minimum, is worth a closer look. And an interesting detail. Wayfair's Stock actually dropped 10% in a single day during the 2020 conspiracy surge, making it one of the first times a viral Reddit theory actually moved to the stock market. This was six months before GameStop and WallStreetBets made that concept kind of mainstream. So there you have it again. What's in there? We don't know was Wayfair complicit? They are gonna obviously deny it. I don't know the truth. I don't know you if you do either. But it's just strange. You read the email and you're like $8,000 of Wayfair given everything that we saw in 2020. It's just bizarre. Now this takes us to the people who are supposed to provide answers, and instead they managed to give us two different stories depending on when you caught them talking. So first, Kash Patel spent months before his Senate confirmation hyping the release of Epstein's so called client list. Allegedly, in interviews on social media, congressional testimony, he promised transparency, accountability, all that good stuff. We're going to get it out there and get had people locked up. He told the American people in no uncertain terms that the truth about Epstein's network would finally come out under his watch. And then he takes office. And in a January 2025 internal memo, which was subsequently leaked to journalists, Patel stated flatly that there was no client list and no evidence of organized blackmail operations. Connected to Epstein, maybe. Right? I mean, that just doesn't sound. Come on. And here's where things get interesting. All right? The DOJ documents from the same period explicitly reference 10 unindicted co conspirators tied to Epstein's trafficking operation. Emails between federal prosecutors mention client contact logs and encrypted communications recovered from Epstein devices, all of it pointing to a network far larger than just Epstein and just Ghislaine Maxwell. And if you're thinking, well, maybe, you know, cash Patel just didn't have access to those specific files. Fair point. And it's entirely possible the DOJ compartmentalized information across a bunch of agencies and the FBI was never fully read in on everything that the prosecutors had compiled. I mean, government agencies are not exactly known for, you know, sharing their homework. But then you have Attorney General Pam Bondi. She spent late 2025 teasing bombshell revelations to the press, promised the American people that justice was coming, built anticipation for weeks. And when the final court ordered for the release, did the public get delays and redactions and a heavily curated batch of documents. Critics accused her office of cherry picking what the public was allowed to see. And it's almost as if they were protecting their political allies. Now, supporters of the administration argued that the redactions were necessary to protect ongoing investigations, grand jury proceedings, and of course, the identities of the victims. Both of those explanations could be true simultaneously. But the emails that eventually came out contradicted the statements from both Patel and. And Bondi, they revealed internal coordination about what to release and when. And it showed selective disclosure that tracked suspiciously well with political motives. So whether that represented standard government procedure or something more deliberate ultimately depends on who you ask. Now, of course, the battle between, you know, the. The prosecution and the government and all these different cases has always been murky. I mean, the JFK files and the church committee is just one example where there's not transparency going from both sides. What's up, guys? We're gonna take a break really quick because I just got a cheat code that I want to tell you guys, all right? I am at an age in my life where unfortunately, a normal night out has consequences. Not like, not even crazy drinking. Like, just a couple of drinks, and the next day I'm wrecked. Like, my sleep score is bad, My head feels bad. Like, on my whoop, it tells me, like, hey, you slept like crap. And that's why I use Cheers Restore. All right? This is basically a dual action after alcohol aid that supports both my brain and my liver. And it's created after on a compound called dhm, designed for how alcohol actually affects your body. 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Among the recently released files were previously unseen photographs recovered from Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion. The same Manhattan townhouse that investigators had searched multiple times. That was given to him, it seems like, by billionaire Les Wexner. Allegedly. These images show Prince Andrew The Duke of York in what can only be described as compromising. And to be honest with you, it's pretty disturbing. I don't even know if we can or should show it. But one photograph shows him on all fours. Another shows him leaning towards a woman whose face has been redacted with his hands resting on her stomach. He's fully clothed in both, both images. But it's the kind of photos that don't get taken between casual acquaintances at a dinner party. They seem pretty familiar, needless to say. And these images align disturbingly well with the testimony of Virginia Giuffre, who accused Prince Andrew of sexual abuse when she was a minor being trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell. Andrew settled Giuffre's civil lawsuit in 2022 for an undisclosed amount of money, but it's reported to be in the range of 12 million. The settlement included no admission of guilt, but notably, also contained no denial that could hold up to legal scrutiny. And here's the crazy part. The recent emails don't just corroborate the old allegations. They reveal even more recent information. Epstein was invited to private dinners and social events at Royal Residences Years after his 2008 sex offender conviction in Florida. Emails show Buckingham palace staff coordinating visit logistics and Andrew's personal assistants arranging travel schedules. And this relationship didn't end when Epstein became a registered sex offender. It just simply moved out of public view and behind palace doors. After Epstein's 2008 conviction, he was reportedly still invited to a shooting weekend at Sandringham, the Royal family's private Norfolk estate, even after Buckingham palace had publicly stated that all ties with Epstein were severed. The Royal Family's defense has been consistent throughout. Andrew had poor judgment in maintaining the friendship, but there is no evidence he participated in, facilitated, or was even aware of Epstein's criminal activity. Right. The multi million dollar settlement, they maintain, was not about, you know, anything that he had done wrong. It was just about avoiding a prolonged media circus. It just, you know, no admission of guilt in any way is what the estate would say. And sure, you know what? Let's give the benefit of that. Maybe that's totally possible, but those photos were sitting in Epstein's Manhattan mansion, the same property where investigators found lock safes containing what prosecutors described as compromising material on numerous powerful individuals. Whether those photos were mementos, maybe it's leverage, or maybe something else entirely, you can't deny that it's pretty weird and kind of feels like blackmail to me. I mean, it just seems strange. And he's, like, looking up at the camera. It's like he kind of knew they were being taken. And I wonder if Andrew was like, what are you gonna do with that? And Epstein's like, ah, nothing. Don't worry about. As long as you don't cross me, you'll be good. Well, he wasn't. Now, let's go back to August 10, 2019, the day Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his cell. The official cause of death was hanging. But 38 minutes before the news was publicly announced by any media outlet, there was an anonymous post that appeared on 4chan on the Politics Board. And it reads, don't ask me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago. Cardiac arrest. They're stringing up a ligature story now, so think about that timeline. Someone on an anonymous image board posted specific details about Epstein's death before any of the actual press, before cnn, before Epstein's own legal team was notified, and even before his family knew. The recent drops reveal internal prison communications from MCC reference the digital oversight failures and the anomalies in monitoring protocol. Specifically, on the night of Epstein's death, Both correctional officers assigned to Epstein's special housing unit happened to be asleep during their shifts. And security camera footage from his tier was corrupted and completely unrecoverable. And official logs documenting required check ins were then falsified. But then there are the partially redacted emails sent to Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein. And allegedly they're, you know, are heavily redacted. But part of the email reads intruders in the cell area. And it includes tips from unnamed sources about bribes paid to facility staff and warning about one what one email calls a cover up already in progress. Now, of course, you know, I'm side with the official story here, okay? The official position is very clear. The New York City Chief Medical examiner ruled the death after a full autopsy, obviously. Right, guys? Yes, 100% yes. And multiple subsequent investigations all found that it was in fact a. Including one by the DOJ Inspector General. They found no credible evidence of homicide whatsoever. So we got the official story. That's good. What they found instead was institutional negligence. A chronically understaffed unit and mandatory overtime pushing guards past exhaustion, they were so tired. At a federal facility literally crumbling around the people that it was supposed to hold. And this 4chan post, I mean, you know, it could have been probably a lucky guess if I had to assume. Anonymous boards generate thousands of predictions about every major news event, but we only ever remember the ones that come true. And of course, this forum, the politics forum, was already obsessed with Epstein for months before his death. But here's what makes it hard to just completely gloss over. The recent release confirmed that the facility itself couldn't explain its own security failures. The guards, whose sole job was to monitor Epstein, admitted in federal court to faking their records. The cameras that should have captured everything captured basically nothing. And at some point, the sheer volume of coincidences stops looking coincidental, you could say, even if you can't prove what it actually was. All right, Epstein didn't himself. You've all heard the meme. It became one of the most widespread memes on, you know, maybe the whole Internet's history. The files don't definitively settle the debate in either direction, but it does. You know, it just makes you go, all right, what's. Does anyone think he like you? I saw the interview with Bannon. I'm like, this doesn't seem like a guy that's gonna kill. I can see it. Well, you know what? We can agree to disagree, right? Water under the fridge. You know what? Everything's fine, okay? The world is not controlled by satanic elite. It's fine. Everything's fine. What's up? Guys, we're gonna take a break real quick because we gotta have some real talk, all right? If you've ever brushed off white flakes from a black T shirt, okay, that's not dry scalp or whatever you're telling yourself, right? That's dandruff. And dandruff is caused by a fungus. Now, most shampoos don't actually fix that. No, they just dry out your scalp even more. So you just keep on buying the shampoo. And honestly, a lot of these formulas haven't even changed since, like, the 1960s. 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Now, again, this hasn't been confirmed, so I just want to put that out there. This is clearly just a conspiracy theory, but this account was massive. Over 14 million karma points. Basically, like the amount of times it gets upvoted by users, and that's A massive amount of it. Moderated World News, one of the platform's most influential default subreddits, a community that shapes what millions of people see on the front page on a daily basis. The account was prolific, posting dozens of articles every day, almost always about geopolitics and surveillance and international affairs. And then, on July 2020, the exact week that Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested by the FBI at her hideout in New Hampshire, the account goes silent permanently. Not a single post or comment to this day. Now, the 2026 emails don't confirm that the Maxwell Hill account belonged to Ghislaine Maxwell. That's an important caveat, and it would be irresponsible to just, you know, breeze past that. But here's what the emails do confirm. Internal communications recovered from Maxwell's personal devices show that she maintained multiple online Personas for what the messages describe as narrative management. Other recovered emails, reference suppression protocols for unfavorable stories, and algorithmic influence strategies. One email from 2019 specifically identifies Reddit as a priority platform for these efforts. Now, a side note, the Maxwell Hill account was among the very first on Reddit to hit 1 million karma. It was created in 2006, the same year Maxwell was first publicly named in connection with Epstein's legal troubles in Florida. And its posting pattern tracked almost exclusively with UK business hours, consistent with Maxwell's known residents at the time. Now, again, this is all speculation whether or not Maxwell Hill was Ghislaine Maxwell. The confirmed documents established that she was actively engaged in online information management. Either way. Now, take a step back and think about what that means. Someone at the operational center of one of the largest sex trafficking networks in modern history was simultaneously working to shape what millions of people saw and didn't see on the Internet. Of course, if this allegation is true, the confirmed part of the story is arguably more disturbing than the unconfirmed part. But again, this is all speculation. What's interesting about this specific ripple is that Ghislaine Maxwell would have to have an acute knowledge of how media works, how to control media, how to control narratives, how to propagandize in the digital age. And she would have to have learned that from someone. Now, it's interesting to note that her father, Robert Maxwell, was a massive media tycoon in England and that he controlled a newspaper over there and was very adept at, you know, shaping narratives through his own personal business, as, you know, a media magnate, allegedly. Now, here's a part that is maybe the craziest to sit with, buried deep in Epstein's financial records, the kind of documents that would take, you know, a forensic accountant months to go through, are repeated references to payments made to an entity labeled simply as adoption agency. No registered business name is attached, no ein, just that label with transfers in the tens of thousands of dollars. Payments to individuals identified only by first names. Boris, Elena, amongst others. Now, we know from extensive reporting and the on the record interviews with scientists who visited Epstein that he was deeply, almost obsessively fixated on genetics and biological legacy. At his Zorro Ranch compound in New Mexico, he discussed what he called human seeding projects. Basically, what it seems like is a plan to impregnate as many as 20 women at a time with his own DNA to propagate his genetic material. Again, these are allegations, we should say, but he described this openly to molecular biologists and geneticists over dinner. And this isn't speculation or rumor. Multiple Harvard and MIT affiliated scientists confirmed these conversations in interviews with the New York Times. So what is this adoption agency? The email suggests that it may have been a surrogacy operation or possibly a mechanism for acquiring children through, you know, legally gray channels. Some of the payment amounts and receipts aligned with known figures in Epstein's orbit, including Boris Nikolic, a venture capitalist who served as Epstein's science advisor, was named the backup executor of his will. Now, Nikolic has denied any involvement in any wrongdoing and said that he was shocked to be named in the will. Now, to be fair, and this matters, adoption agency could mean exactly what those words normally mean. Wealthy individuals involved in philanthropy. Sometimes, you know, they fund legitimate adoption organizations. Payments indexed by first name could reflect standard privacy protocol for sensitive charitable giving. And maybe not deliberate secrecy. Without access to the full financial records and the ability to trace these payments to their endpoints, all we have is circumstantial presumption. But circumstantial evidence carries different weight when it's connected to Jeffrey Epstein. When a man federally convicted of trafficking minors is making large, unexplained payments to an unidentified adoption agency while simultaneously running a self described genetic breeding program at a private ranch, the questions don't even really need to be asked. I mean, they insist upon themselves. And then, of course, we go to Bill Gates. Now, the Gates Epstein connection has been public knowledge for a while now. The two had multiple meetings between 2011 and 2014, years after Epstein's 2008 conviction. Gates initially denied any type of close relationship, then acknowledged the meetings were a, quote, mistake in judgment. However, his ex wife, Melinda French Gates later said in interviews that the Epstein connection was one of the factors that contributed to their divorce. But the 2026 document drop reveals something that goes beyond awkward dinner meetings. Among the recovered emails is a communication in which Gates basically asks Epstein about obtaining antibiotics that could be slipped into his wife's drink. Now, Bill Gates has gone the record as of a few days ago and basically said that Epstein sent these emails from his phone to himself. Why he did it, he didn't speculate. Now, before jumping to conclusions, there are a few ways to read this. The charitable interpretation is that Gates was asking about a prescription medication for a health issue. And maybe it was phrased poorly, or maybe Epstein did do it. But here's the thing. Why are you asking Epstein for pharmaceutical advice? Of all the people Bill Gates has access to, I mean, literally one of the richest people in the world, world class physicians, pharmaceutical CEOs. He could call the CEO of Merck or Johnson and Johnson and be like, hey, can you help me out? He's emailing a convicted sex trafficker about antibiotics for his wife without her knowledge. Now, the email doesn't specify what the antibiotics were for. It doesn't explain why discretion is needed, and it doesn't explain why Epstein, of all people, was the go to contact for his request. Now, Gates has maintained that his meetings with Epstein were focused on philanthropy and his relationship with him was a regrettable error in judgment. But this email pattern fits a broader picture and you know, the recent drops continue to paint it that Epstein positioned himself as the guy who could get things done. Things that powerful people didn't want traced through their normal channels. Whether it was a financial introduction, social access, a scientific connection, or apparently even medication, Epstein was the guy. He was the fixer. He could do anything. He was the middleman behind what seems like the entire world's vices, or all through one dude. Now, just to fact check myself, this is from NBC news.com and it says here that Bill Gates said apparently Jeffrey wrote an email to himself. That email was never sent. The email is false, he said. So I don't know what his thinking was. Was he trying to attack me in some way? It just reminds me every minute I spent with him, I regret and I apologize that I did that. So maybe Epstein sent it from his phone to frame him, to make him look bad. Who's to say? Now, the 2026 Epstein email drops didn't just confirm old suspicions. They revealed a web, financial, political, digital, institutional. All of these people are connected. And it stretches farther than any single investigation has Been willing to follow mysterious purchases with vague paper trails. Government officials who promised transparency and then just delivered contradictions. A royal family that maintained access for a convicted predator long after publicly cutting ties. A prison system failed, or was made to fail at the one moment that it literally mattered the most. Digital platforms potentially being weaponized to control what people know and what they think they know. And the financial records suggesting that Epstein's strange ambitions didn't die with him, but that he potentially, you know, wanted to have children. Or potentially that he even did have children. What's up, guys? We're gonna take a break really quick because I gotta tell you something. The holidays wrecked me. Yeah. Travel, I mean, it was eating whatever I wanted. I wasn't working out, and I just hit January and I felt I was 100 years old. 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We live in an era with more access to raw information than any generation ever in history. More documents, more data, more leaked emails and declassified files and court order disclosures, all that stuff. And somehow people with the most power still manage to operate in the most darkness. These files are all public, right? I mean, at least the ones they wanted to be public, sitting on DOJ servers. Anyone with an Internet connection can pull them up and read them and search through them with just a simple keyword search. But there's a massive gap between information being available and information leading to accountability. And that gap is where this conspiracy ultimately lives. Maybe the real question isn't whether Epstein killed himself. It's not who was on the flight logs or who was, you know, in the jail when he died, or what names are hiding in those black redaction bars. Maybe the real question is more simple. How many times does the system have to fail the same vulnerable people before we stop calling it a systemic failure and just saying that it is a design of the system? The documents are out there, so make of them what you will, but the truth is also in there somewhere. And the people at the top of this chain are probably covering up the truth. Maybe the same people that gave us the documents. And that is just a brief sort of snapshot at the major explosive details that have been discovered in the emails recently. I mean, there's a few things with this. It's like there's a bunch of stuff that I obviously didn't even touch on. Again, this is an emergency pod, so we gotta move fast. The one that's crazy is like, someone I believe is Prince Andrew's wife at the time is congratulating Epstein on having a baby. He says, congrats on your baby. She says, congrats on your baby boy. And then says, I feel like you just used me to get to Andrew. And that hurts my feelings. Epstein had kids. This is what. This is what the email said. I don't know if he had kids or not, but the email says, congrats on the baby boy.
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Christos
Damn.
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Mark Gagnon
What does that mean? Who knows? There's tons of references to pizza. Hey, let's have pizza. Let's go for pizza. What does that mean? I don't know. The craziest one is Epstein emailing someone saying, hey, I loved the torture video. There's another one where he's emailing a guy saying, had a great time last night. Your littlest one was naughty. What is going on? It's like. I mean, there's part of me that's like, okay, yeah, of course. The system is built for these people to do nefarious stuff in the shadows. And in a way, the conspiracy theorists are somewhat vindicated because it's like, yeah, my mom's been saying that pedophilic satanic elite have been running the world for a long time. And in a way, maybe there's some truth to that, but it's like, is. Is all this just getting put out there just for fodder? Like, are the poor people of America just reading this, being like, yeah, we got them, we got the details, but no one's going to get prosecuted. No one's actually going to go to jail. They're still going to maintain the system. Epstein is just a player, just a cog that they're funneling all this stuff through that eventually can get pulled out. And the real people that have all the power, the money, just continue to operate in the same exact way. I mean, abusing the most vulnerable people in society has been a story that goes back thousands of years, right? This is what rich people do when they have, you know, unchecked power. But it's like, at what point does it stop? And I feel like by all these files getting released and people getting the files, they're just going to be either a overloaded with information where they don't even know what to do with it. It's just so overwhelming. And there's so much truth with, like, anonymous tips that are maybe not true. And it's just like, ah, it's too much. Or people get this sense of indication that they got one on the man, but actually, it surmounts to completely nothing. What do you make of this? For me, personally, I am overwhelmed by the amount of information. I am disheartened and disgusted that the fact that the people pulling the levers, it seems like at the highest levels of power, are complicit or at least willing to look the other way at these atrocious acts. I'm like, not everyone ever named in the files is going to be inherently complicit. With, like, the worst crimes.
- [34:51]
Christos
Yeah.
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Mark Gagnon
And I think we should be diligent about figuring out who actually did commit crimes and who was just, like, a guy that, you know, sent an email. I found a friend of mine's resume in the files, a friend that I went to college with that tried to get an internship and just, like, sent off resumes to, like, a bunch of people. And I hit him up. I was like, what is this? He was like, dude, I was just blasting resumes to, like, all the financial groups and financial investors I could find because I wanted to intern. And turns out now I'm in the files. But in between that, there's maybe the most atrocious, violent crime that humans can do to the most vulnerable population. Literally children. And it's like. And a part of me is like, there's a blackmail operation. There's the blackmail side. There's also a part of. It's like these people are just pushing the limits of their power. They're like, what's the worst possible thing I can get away with? And then exercising that in the face of, you know, any type of moral boundary in the entire universe, it's just insane.
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Christos
I don't. I don't think I'll be interested in this until I see, like, Bill Gates get, like, perp walked. No one's getting perpled like they did to Mangione.
- [35:49]
Mark Gagnon
No one's getting perp walked. It's just, the system is going to. Just like this specific system is going to collapse on itself. All the people implicated will have their reputations ruined, and no one will go to prison, and they'll continue just being rich, and they'll be. And they're just going to walk away free. And then there's a new Epstein that's percolating right now. There's new people that are funneling money to the fixers that can make all these events and connections happen in the gray market between the lines.
- [36:15]
Christos
It doesn't help that the current administration, like Trump is in the files.
- [36:20]
Mark Gagnon
That automatically, yeah, of course everyone's implicated. It's insane. And. But again, it's like the system itself. This is a feature of the system. I don't think this is like, oh, no, what happened? I'm like, the, the like, look at the Franklin scandal. Like, this was a system to abuse children. That was. Just went on and it was. It was. You know, some people face justice kind of. But, yeah, I mean, as I always say on History Camp, specifically, like, the most evil, most debaucherous people throughout all of History rarely face justice. They're able to offer up a deal, get some immunity, you know, pass away their secrets, and then go live in penthouse somewhere and, you know, died of old age. So it's just crazy. I mean, is Epstein even dead? Who knows? There's not even a ton of transparency. Then they try to, like, walk out this, like, fake transparency thing where they brought all these influencers in, gave them binders, and they're like, yeah, go out. And it had less information than what the original leaked files had. It had moments of, like, the black book that Nick Bryant valiantly put out there that now was redacted. So it was like, all right, you're showing us even less. And it just reeks of conspiracy and fraud and cover up that people I think are smart enough to know is bs.
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Christos
But also the difference in the media landscape from now, from 2020, when all these, like, when. When, like, conspiracy became mainstream with Epstein, is, like, so different. Where now it's just, like, so much information. Not even, like, Epstein specifically, but just everything. Diddy, Trump, Iran, Israel. And then it's like, oh, yeah, there's like an Epstein email, like, on my Twitter algorithm. I just don't even read.
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Mark Gagnon
Yeah, yeah.
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Christos
And I wonder if that was intentional.
- [37:49]
Mark Gagnon
Or the plane is flooded. This is like Aldous Huxley talks about this in Brave New World that, you know, 1984 by George Orwell is like, oh, information's going to be kept. You're not going to know the truth. You're going to be craving information, but you won't have it. Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World was basically like, you're going to know everything and there's going to be so much access, they're just not going to care.
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Christos
Is that a fiction book?
- [38:08]
Mark Gagnon
Brave New World. Basically this dystopian world where everyone's just on soma, pumping themselves up.
- [38:12]
Christos
Oh, it's the SOMA book.
- [38:13]
Mark Gagnon
They're pumping themselves up with dopamine, being like, yeah, whatever, everything's fine. Yeah. And it just feels like this is just red meat for the working class to be like, hey, stop trying to get justice.
- [38:22]
Christos
Gamble on the Super Bowl.
- [38:23]
Mark Gagnon
Yeah, just everything's fine. Smoke your weed. Exactly. Buy crypto. Just nothing. It's fine. Just keep it moving. And that's what I think's gonna happen. But what do I do? Personally, I follow the words of Mother Teresa. If you wanna change the world, love your family. I'm like, you can really only affect what actually impacts you in your daily life. Vote in local elections, take care of the people you love, invest in your local community, Take care of your children, have children, get married. Love the people around you, because that's ultimately the only thing you can control. And fighting. Fighting these windmills of, like, Epstein this, Epstein that. I'm like, you can do it. It's a valiant effort. It's, you know, it's very brave, but for the average person, for me myself at least, just love the people around you and your community. That's kind of all. You can tend to your garden, as Seneca says.
- [39:04]
Christos
So you're not that invested in this?
- [39:06]
Mark Gagnon
I am, but I'm also recognizing that, like, you just get exhausted, and you're also reading the most horrendous emails ever. Like, what does that do to your psyche? Just reading like. Like, oh, torture video this. And just the belief that these institutions that are meant to protect you are actually committing the most atrocious crimes possible. I think it's bad for my mental health on a personal basis. Again, I don't want to tell anyone what to do, but for me, I'm like, how much of this can I consume? 3 million emails. I'm at, like, 2.5 million. I still have 500,000 to go. You know, it's like, at a certain point, you're just consuming so much vile shit that it affects your psyche. And at the cost of what? Investing in your local community, helping the people around you. That's ultimately what I think I'm gonna do. Yeah.
- [39:43]
Christos
And people reach that breaking point. Like, after, like, six months of just, like, being a conspiracy theorist in 2020, I just hit this breaking point where it's like, if I keep going down these rabbit holes, I'm gonna make myself go crazy, and I'm not even gonna be able to change anything.
- [39:55]
Mark Gagnon
Yeah. I mean, some people can change stuff. I don't want to just completely neuter people. If you want to go out there and be like, hey, I'm gonna release this article in the Miami Herald that ultimately kicks up all the Epstein stuff and reveals all this shit. Like, that's amazing. That's a valiant effort that actually did something. But for me, I'm like, I try to protect my psyche as much as possible. What about you, Crisos? Any final thoughts? I have nothing to say. I'm invoking my fifth Amendment. Right. Smart media trained. I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think there's gonna be any retribution? Will there be any justice? Does it even matter? Is this just more fodder for people to chew over and argue about and Point fingers and blame this guy. Blame this guy. Da, da, da. Or maybe this is a step in the right direction. This is the approach to transparency. Maybe there's a lot of miscommunications and a bunch of people that are implicated that. That are actually innocent, and maybe they didn't mean what they said. I don't know. I try not to get too cynical. Go home. Love your children, Take care of your family. Love your husband, your wife, call your parents. That's ultimately what I can control. That's what I'm gonna do anyway. Please drop a comment. I would love to know what you think. YouTube, Spotify, I read all of them. If you like history content, great news for you. We got History Camp. You can read all that stuff. We do a bunch of episodes on the craziest stuff that's ever happened in history. And then we have Religion Camp, where if you want to deep dive on every major religion in the world and the most interesting aspects of that religion, that is there for you. But if you just like to chill with us here at Camp Gagnott, the main site, and you like to listen to actual experts, matter of fact, we'll be having Nick Bryant in the studio soon. He is the founder of Epsteinjustice.com. he's worked with a bunch of survivors of Epstein, as well as published Epstein's black book on the Internet. Very brave journalist. He'll be in the studio ideally later this week to discuss all this at length. So be prepared for that episode, and if there's anything we missed here, please drop a comment and I'll be sure to bring it up in that one. God bless you all. Thank you for everything, and I'll see you next time. What's up, people? We're going to take a break real quick because this episode is sponsored by me. Yes. Camp R and D. That is the merch, that is the threads that we'd be wearing around here at the campsite. And we got all sorts of cool stuff. My buddy Zach just cooked up a sick UFO collection. You can go check it out there at Camp R and D. I really appreciate you guys. We had so many people that came through for the holidays and picked up their threads. It's awesome. We got hats, hoodies, T shirts, all that. And if you're still listening to this and you didn't skip through, congrats. You got a promo code. All right, what do we do? Christos? 5% more. How much 5 more? 10%. 10%. Final offer. You won't go higher. You tell me what what do we give them? 12%. All right, we're doing 12% off. Should we go more? Hey, it's your little world. I'm just living in it. Let's round up 10%. No, 15%. If you use the promo code Camp15, you're gonna be getting 15% off. Yes. I think we should also do Camp10. Just if someone doesn't want to take too much. Camp 10 or Camp 15, those are the only two that are available. And then maybe we send a little something extra to the ones that do 10. If you do Camp 10, maybe there's something extra. No promises, but it's an interesting experiment. I just am curious to see what you guys do. Camp 10 or Camp 15 at Camp R D? When you check out, you're gonna be getting those discounts. Thank you so much for rocking with us and wearing the threads. It keeps the lights on. It keeps the fire burning.