Ex Cop Spills CRAZIEST Las Vegas Crime Secrets!

Summary

Camp Gagnon Podcast Summary

Episode: Ex Cop Spills CRAZIEST Las Vegas Crime Secrets!
Date: December 30, 2025
Host: Mark Gagnon
Guest: Tony Hernandez (former NYC transit cop, Las Vegas entrepreneur)

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Episode Overview

In this gripping Camp Gagnon episode, Mark Gagnon and guest Tony Hernandez explore the hidden criminal underbelly of Las Vegas. Hernandez, a former New York City transit cop with a family history adjacent to organized crime, recounts his first-hand experiences navigating the scams, smuggling rings, and illicit industries that thrive beyond the Vegas Strip’s neon lights. The conversation pulls back the curtain on everything from high-end prostitution and human trafficking to organized gambling corruption, providing a vivid, street-level portrait of Sin City's real dangers and vices.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. From NYPD to Vegas: Tony’s Perspective

• Tony's Background:
  • Grew up around New York’s mob culture (father owned a restaurant with mob clientele).
  • Worked as an NYPD transit cop, specialized in crime detection.
  • Moved to Vegas post-retirement, attracted by its hustle but soon targeted by criminal scams himself.
  • Mark: “Beyond the strip, there’s another city entirely. And Tony Hernandez knows this world better than most.” (00:18)

2. The Turo Car Rental Hustle & Associated Scams

• Turo as a Crime Vector:
  • Turo is a peer-to-peer car rental app—“Airbnb for cars.”
  • Tony attempted to create passive income via Turo rentals, but encountered elaborate scams instead.
  • Scam 1: Theft & Vandalism
    • Renter keeps luxury car, refuses return, trashes interior.
    • Turo support is largely unhelpful (“Do you have a tracker? Go self-repo it yourself.” — 08:22).
  • Scam 2: Parts Swaps
    • Car is returned with tires and parts swapped out, significant internal damage.
    • Tony: “The tires are gone. They're totally different tires. They're stripped... The lady returned the car at night so I wouldn’t see this shit.” (10:35)
    • Turo declines his claim for lack of photo evidence (“Who the fuck takes a picture of the axle?” — 11:10).
  • Scam 3: Organized Smuggling
    • GPS reveals a rental car driven over the border into Mexico.
    • Tony discovers multiple passports/social security cards left in the car, not matching the renter.
    • ICE contact confirms: “These patterns are very similar with human smuggling. What a lot of these smugglers will do is they'll rent well-to-do cars, everything above board...” (22:43)
    • Smuggling: Cartel uses clean, US-registered luxury cars to transport illegal migrants—sometimes children and families—across the border, presented as legitimate tourists.

3. Prostitution, Smuggling, and Trafficking: The Vegas Underbelly

• Massage Parlors & Human Smuggling:

  • Tony: “You put two and two together...this is a fucking front for a prostitution house. That’s all it is.” (36:00)
  • Many “spas” on Spring Mountain (Chinatown) are covert brothels, with trafficked women held in debt bondage.
  • Smuggling organizations promise legitimate jobs (cleaning, spas), confiscate passports/phones, enforce 24/7 brothel work under threat (e.g., harm to family back home).
  • Mark: “So the cartel rented your car to smuggle people across the country...using fucking Abuelita Guadalupe.” (27:12)
  • Physical and psychological coercion, including chilling intimidation tactics (see Memorable Moments).
  • Half of Vegas’s prostitution is attributed to human trafficking; “...the ones that are in the parlors, 99% of them...I don't think they would take them if they could come and go.” (51:51)

• Local Exploitation & Violence:

  • Some women coerced via photos of their children, others held under constant threat.
  • Example: Russian gangsters send a woman a photo of her child leaving school as a wordless warning.
    • Tony: “The envelope was her kid coming out of school. What is that, a message or is that a message?” (41:53)

4. The High-End Escort/“Companion” Scene

• Luxury Prostitution & Arm Candy:
  • Escorts/porn stars flown in for events (e.g., AVN Awards, EDC Festival, high-stakes weekends).
  • Tony describes shuttling celebrity escorts and porn stars, hearing about offers for extreme fetishes and massive sums (“He offered her 20 grand to get shit on, and she said no.” — 55:10).
  • OnlyFans and digital sex work noted as a major new avenue. Content acts as a ‘feeder’ for in-person arrangements via DMs and agencies. (56:25)

5. Illegal Gambling, Casino Corruption, and Organized Crime

• Casino House Edge:
  • Tony: “I think all of them are 100% crooked. I don't think that there is a legitimate game in the casino.” (77:57)
  • Card shuffling machines and potential AI manipulation suspected of biasing outcomes.
• Underground Gambling Rings & Mob Operations:
  • Mob-run casino games preferred by some high-stakes gamblers for guaranteed payouts (“If they don’t pay, nobody plays. They’re more likely to pay you than the casino.” — 71:20).
  • Recent scandals: NBA players and coaches implicated in fixed games and illegal poker, often detected via unusual betting patterns and even special marked glasses to see opponents’ cards (79:21).
• Insider Info and Betting
  • Tony shares an incident of betting against a famous boxer after driving him and witnessing his drunken disarray weeks before a fight (“I went straight to the casino after I dropped him off and bet on the other guy...It was almost a guaranteed fucking win.” — 69:16)
  • Discussion on “financial domination” and high rollers hiring hot women to gamble away their money for humiliation/pleasure (61:17).

6. The Invisible Elite & Untouchable Rich

• Elite Parties:
  • “Some of these gated communities in Vegas cost 300,000 a year HOA. That kind of level of power, I think you're kind of immune to a lot of shit.” (82:44)
  • Tony has driven both celebrities and known prostitutes to secluded mansion parties, all policed by private security, “Eyes Wide Shut” vibes.
  • “The rich are always untouchable... Who’s going to police them? They ARE the elite.” (83:50)
• Law Enforcement’s Limited Reach:
  • Police focus on controlling visible street crime, leaving wealthy neighborhoods self-managed.
  • Crime in rich enclaves occurs behind closed doors—no oversight and little potential for prosecution.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Human Smuggling Tactics

• “These patterns are very similar with human smuggling. What a lot of these smugglers will do is they'll rent well-to-do cars... You come from Nevada? Yeah, we were in Vegas, now we're going to Mexico. Whatever excuse they use...it's a lot easier to get someone in, in a fucking nice luxury vehicle.”
  — Tony Hernandez (22:43)

On Coercion & Trafficking

• “If they don't do what they say they're going to do...the cartel, whoever smuggled them here, will say, 'Well, we’re gonna kill your whole fucking family back in Colombia.'”
  — Tony Hernandez (37:48)

Mob Intimidation

• “They sent her an envelope, and the envelope was her kid coming out of school.”
  — Tony Hernandez (41:53)

On Vegas Prostitution Scene

• “Every prostitute you see on Boulder Highway—99% of them are trafficked. If they're working in a parlor, they have to have total control on them because you're running an illegal establishment. It's masqueraded as a massage parlor.”
  — Tony Hernandez (51:51)

Vegas Casino Insight

• “I think all of them are 100% crooked. I don't think that there is a legitimate game in the casino, you know...how do you know that that computer is not shuffling the cards in a certain way to make the dealer always win?”
  — Tony Hernandez (77:57, 78:07)

On the Elite in Vegas

• “You can have someone like myself, who shuttles six younger girls up to a mansion in the hills for a party...it’s almost Eyes Wide Shut kind of shit. It’s like all these rich people, and nobody’s there to police them. Who’s going to police them? They are the fucking police. They are the elite.”
  — Tony Hernandez (83:50)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:18 | Introduction to Tony’s law enforcement and Vegas background | | 04:03 | Exposing the Turo rental scam culture | | 10:34 | Car parts swap scam explanation | | 19:48 | Human smuggling via Turo: the Mercedes crosses into Mexico | | 22:43 | Confirmation from ICE—patterns of smuggling, mechanics of cartel operations | | 36:01 | Massage parlors, organized prostitution, and how smuggling debt bondage works | | 41:53 | The dark side of coercion and intimidation—envelope with a photo of the victim’s child | | 51:51 | Analysis: who’s trafficked, how prostitution is split in Vegas | | 61:17 | “Financial domination”—high-rollers, prostitutes, and luxury escort anecdotes | | 69:16 | Insider betting, corruption in sports and casinos | | 77:57 | Tony’s take: “All casinos are crooked” | | 79:21 | Marked cards, glasses scams in illegal poker | | 82:44 | Gated communities, immunity of the elite, “Eyes Wide Shut” parties | | 83:50 | “Who’s going to police them? They are the police. They are the elite.” |

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Tone, Language & Vibe

The conversation is raw, candid, and seasoned throughout with streetwise humor, banter, and personal asides reflecting both Tony’s cop intuition and his deep insider’s frustration with law enforcement limitations and the normalization of crime. There’s a blend of dark humor, disbelief, and sobering reflection—especially when discussing victimization, intimidation, or the impunity of wealth and organized crime.

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For New Listeners

If you want a no-bullshit look behind the Vegas curtain, this episode lays out—in sometimes jaw-dropping detail—how criminal networks really operate beneath the glamour of America’s flashiest “fun city.” From apps like Turo to the city’s massage parlors, from private casinos to secretive mansion parties, nearly every system and indulgence is exploited by those working the gray and black markets. As Tony puts it, “Vegas is the hustle city,” but not everyone hustling is playing by the rules—and not every victim even knows the rules exist.

Transcript

[Tony Hernandez]

GPS has given me like a signal, like where the car is. And I see it like crossing border to Mexico. I'm like, what the he said, you know, these patterns are very similar with human smuggling. This is a front for a prostitution. That's all it is. They didn't threaten, they didn't do anything or whatever. They sent her an envelope and the envelope was her kid coming out of school.

[Mark Yagnon]

This is Tony Hernandez. He's a former New York City transit cop. And today he's going to break down the dark side of Las Vegas. We all know that Vegas sells you a fantasy. Bright lights, easy money shows any night of the week. But beyond the strip, there's, there's another city entirely. And Tony Hernandez knows this world better than most. He was trained for years to spot crime in plain sight. And then he moved to Las Vegas and started a legitimate rental business. And then he became the victim of transit crime himself. Cars rented, stripped for parts, used by the cartel to move people across borders. Today he breaks down all the scams that make Las Vegas infamous. How the cartel will use car rental apps to move people and product across borders. He explains how the high end escort business has actually works and who the people are behind it. He breaks down how the illegal card games in Vegas's upper hotel rooms actually function. And he even breaks down how the casinos are not just tilted in their favor, how they are actually engineered to never let you win. If you are interested in how crime really works in one of the biggest cities in America, well, this is the episode for you. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp.

[Christos Gagnon]

Tony Hernandez. How are you, brother?

[Tony Hernandez]

What's up, man? Long time.

[Christos Gagnon]

Absolutely. Life is good, bro. Thank you so much for joining me once again.

[Tony Hernandez]

Thanks for having me.

[Christos Gagnon]

For anyone that is tuning into the prom that is not familiar, Tony's been on the show a bunch of times. Former cop, you know, NYPD guy doing subway transit. Specifically down in the underbelly in the beast of New York City. Big Dick Tony is what they called him back in the day.

[Mark Yagnon]

That was the name.

[Tony Hernandez]

He got it back in the day.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah. I don't know why they called it. That's just what the name was. I never checked, but he spied on.

[Tony Hernandez]

Me in the back.

[Christos Gagnon]

But now, now you're Vegas Tony because you were out in Vegas for about how long were you out there for?

[Tony Hernandez]

Just about three and a half years.

[Christos Gagnon]

And I just, I've been going to.

[Tony Hernandez]

Vegas for a while, visiting and stuff. But I always knew I kind of wanted to migrate there. So once I got you know, out of the police department, nothing was really holding me in New York City. Went straight there.

[Christos Gagnon]

And you have a just interesting perspective on life for few reasons. And going to Vegas is a very interesting place because you obviously, you know, have a family growing up in New York that is sort of adjacent to the mob, I think would be a fair way to put it. You know, your father owned a restaurant. He knew some of these mob guys. You saw how, you know, know organized crime was working from a young age. And then you go into the police force and you're seeing how organized and disorganized crime is operating every single day. And then you get out and you go to Vegas, the city of crime. This is a place that I Sin City. I find it fascinating. I like Vegas. I don't want you to bagging on it. But at the same time, at certain hours, there's a darkness, you know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of lost souls that end up there trying to figure it out, and some of them never leave.

[Tony Hernandez]

I agree.

[Christos Gagnon]

And as a result, Vegas is anything you want to, you can find. And you being out in Vegas for the time that you were there, with the background of the expertise that you have, I feel like you saw and noticed a lot of criminal aspects to the city that most people wouldn't 100%. So we were even talking briefly before this, and you were like, all right, we got a couple things. So one, I think maybe an easy place to start. I love a good scam. I love seeing how scams operate. I like seeing how clever criminals can be to try to scam people. And I was just out in Vegas four days ago, and I'm sitting there at the diner. Waiter comes up to me. He's like, yeah, you know, like, I got a house that I'm, you know, trying to buy, da, da, da. And I own five vehicles, so I'm killing it. I was like, you own five vehicles? And he goes, yeah, yeah, I put them out on Turo. And I was like, what? And then he was like, yeah, it's, you know, and it's just a hustle kind of like as a Vegas guy. Every Vegas guy's in a mindset of hustling.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

And then you just brought to me, oh, yeah, have you heard about the Turo scam? And I was like, what is this? So explain to me, how are people using Toro scam?

[Tony Hernandez]

There's a few different avenues, I think, that people use the app for in order to scam. And scamming nowadays has become the norm. In my opinion. It's one of the most normalized crimes. I think, like when I was growing up, drug dealing was kind of like the thing because you saw like the people getting the money quick or whatever. Now scamming is like the whole new thing. Everybody wants to get online, whether it's crypto, whatever, excuse me. It's become like the number one crime that a lot of young kids want to do now. The get rich quick crime. You know what I mean? So I think that's kind of resonated to these apps, you know, on the phone, because as technology develops, the scams get more elaborate. So how do you get around these, let's say the provisions or the safeguards that these apps put in place and certain rental companies and stuff like that to kind of like prevent these scammers?

[Christos Gagnon]

And really quick Turo, for now that's watching, is just a car rental app.

[Tony Hernandez]

Turo is a peer to peer car rental app.

[Christos Gagnon]

Airbnb for car rentals.

[Tony Hernandez]

That's it. Basically what you do is you'll rent the car from an individual that owns the car. Let's say some of them have businesses, you know, that they just put it on Turo. But there could be just a guy who's got a Toyota Corolla and he only uses it Monday through Friday and he wants to rent it out Saturday and Sunday, get a little extra cash. I think that's how the concept of it started. But like you were saying, Waiter has five cards. It's grown into a almost, I don't want to say a passive income because after I did it, I could see it wasn't really as passive as I thought. But they mask it as that as something, hey, throw these cards, you don't have to worry about it, blah, blah, blah. However, like most of these apps that are popular now, Turo Uber Doordash. I'm sure if you talk to anyone who's either worked for them or has any kind of experience, they've been a victim of a scam one way or the other. Whether it's from the customer or the customer does something and the host company doesn't want to cover it, they just say, hey, you know, eat the loss, even though you were scammed.

[Christos Gagnon]

So how did this happen for you?

[Tony Hernandez]

So this happened to me. Like I said, I moved out to Vegas or whatever and I didn't really know what I wanted to do yet. I knew I wanted to transfer into some kind of business out there because Vegas is a hustle city. Like you said. I thought new York was the hustle city, but Vegas, literally, I thought New York was the hustle city, but Vegas literally is the hustle city.

[Christos Gagnon]

Oh, yeah.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's 247 nonstop. Does it shut down around a certain time? Eh, maybe. But the thing is, like, once the club kids are getting out. Cause it's not here. Everything closes at 4. It closes at like 5, 6. Sometimes goes later, people start getting ready to go to the airport. Then you got the other tourists. So it's almost like a revolving door. So in that a lot of people do rent cars. That's what I did. I rented cars. When I went out there, I met this couple. And long story short, they were like business people. They worked in corporate jobs, and they were making so much money, they set off a tour. They were getting ready to leave their corporate jobs. I started renting cars from them. I thought that was gonna be a good business. So what'd I do? I bought three luxury cars, moved out to Vegas, started word of mouth, rented them out. It was actually in a music video, a couple rappers. It was okay, but the money wasn't steady. So what did I do? I threw a Monturo. Fucking worst mistake I ever did, bro. Like, literally, like, it just.

[Christos Gagnon]

What kind of cars?

[Tony Hernandez]

Two Mercedes and one Range Rover.

[Christos Gagnon]

Okay.

[Tony Hernandez]

GL450, the big one that has like seven seats. GLB. AMG35 Range Rover Sport.

[Christos Gagnon]

Nice.

[Tony Hernandez]

So I was thinking in my head or whatever, like, these cars will do great out here, you know, for, like, guy that wants to be a little sporty or whatever. You can have the amg. Somebody who wants a big, bigger group, family, a lot of suitcases. They can have this. It was going okay, you know, like I said in the beginning. And then the first guy who rented the Range Rover, the Mercedes rented out, okay, excuse me. First guy rents the Range Rover, he wants to extend the trip. I say, okay, no problem. He extends it. Now. I had a tracker on the Range Rover. Thank God he's three hours late now to return the car. I say, hey, you know, I'm waiting for you. It's fucking three hours later. Like, what's going on? You giving me the run around, this and that. Basically, he told me and summed it up, go fuck yourself. You're not getting your car back. Just like that. And so I contact Turo. I'm like, look at the messages between us. It's in the app. He basically told me to screw off. He's not giving me my car back. Blah, blah, blah. They said, do you have a tracker on the car? I said, yeah, but I'm. It's in a CD's part of town or whatever. I'm not showing up there. It's open carry in Vegas. This guy could have a gun. Like, what's going on? Yeah, any kind of recourse that they're.

[Christos Gagnon]

Like, yo, go get it back. Yeah, go self repo.

[Tony Hernandez]

I'm like, all right, I guess so, whatever. I. I did have a tracker on the car, whatever. I played it smart and I winded up going to get the car myself.

[Christos Gagnon]

Really?

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

What happened?

[Tony Hernandez]

Turo was just like, well, we could send you out. Do you. If you know where it is, we could send out a tow truck to go get it, blah, blah, blah, this and that, whatever. And I was. It was just much red tape. And I'm like, dude, the guy has my car. He told me to go fuck myself, go get it. Like, I gave it to you guys to rent to him. Basically rented a tutorial. You're not covering me.

[Christos Gagnon]

So what happens?

[Tony Hernandez]

So I basically went and I got. I finally got an upper echelon member of Turo to get on the phone because usually it's somebody in the fucking Philippines that has no idea what's going on. And I get a guy on the phone, he's like, all right, do you know where it is? Are you gonna be safe going there? Blah, blah. I'm like, I think so. I don't know. But, you know, what's. What's the recourse? He's like, go ahead and sell. You know, you can go get it, self repo it, and we'll charge all these fees. Okay, go get. The car is a fucking mess. Like I said. All brand new cars or whatever. Fucking smoked in it. Oil on the seats. I'm like, what the fuck? What would you do in this car?

[Mark Yagnon]

Where is it?

[Christos Gagnon]

Is it in a driveway?

[Tony Hernandez]

It's in a parking lot. And anybody that knows Vegas, the Bridge Suites, I think, on Boulder Highway. And Boulder highway is like a notorious highway. We're gonna touch on that later. There's just a lot of criminal shit that goes on there from prostitution, drug dealing, stolen cars. I find that. I found it out later. I winded up finding out about this stuff later as I did my investigation. Like, what the fuck? Why would this neighborhood seedy, okay, but why steal my car? Why park it here? What's the motive behind it? I never really got to find out why this guy did that. But that was the one case. Okay, second case. Now, like I said, I had three cars. Each one of them were Pretty much affected. But the second case that was a little bit more was definitely a scam, was another old lady comes and rents my car.

[Mark Yagnon]

She.

[Tony Hernandez]

She takes a small glb, right? Brand new. The cars, they have, like, less than a thousand miles. Obviously, if the car is brand new, the tires are going to be brand new. Everything is going to brand new. I take pictures of the cars. I put them on Turo, right? I put them on the app so you can see actually what the pictures are. I get the fucking car back now.

[Christos Gagnon]

I think I know this one, dude.

[Tony Hernandez]

The tires are gone. They're totally different tires. They're stripped and there's lights broken on the inside. I'm like, dude, what the fuck is this? So the lady returned the car in the nighttime so I wouldn't see this shit. And nobody's thinking or whatever, Go check the sizes of the tires or the thread. I'm just, like, looking inside, like, did you smoke? No. Any scratches? Everything looks good. Okay, cool. The next day, I come, I look and I'm like, what the hell is this? I look totally different. The car is pulling like this. I'm like, what the fuck? Totally different size of the tire. I take it to the mechanic. They fucked up. The. They cracked. The struts were messed up. The axle was cracked. It was like a whole bunch of shit. Turo basically told me, go fuck yourself. You didn't take good enough pictures of the tires. You didn't take pictures of the axle. I'm like, who the fuck gets on their hands? He needs to take a picture of the axle or whatever while you're renting out a car. So basically, I had to eat that loss.

[Christos Gagnon]

I've heard of this before. I've heard of people doing that where, like, they'll have a G wagon, go rent a G wagon, swap the tires, or even, like, they'll have a completely different car, but they just want the tires from this car.

[Tony Hernandez]

Brand new tires. I saw a video actually on Instagram where this guy was taking the fender off, and the guy tracked his car. It was like a Turo and he was fucking taking the fender off and replacing the fender to go sell the fender. And the guy that wouldn't even know that Defender was aftermarket. I mean, scamming. That's on another level, bro.

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, yeah, you always kind of got to respect it. Once it starts getting clever enough, you're like, oh, man, you got me. You got me.

[Tony Hernandez]

I don't think what happened to me, though, was clever. I think Turo just was like, you know, What? Like I said, we're not dealing with this. It's kind of iffy. We don't know. I'm like, dude, the car was brand new. I've only rented it out twice. Like, this was maybe the second time.

[Christos Gagnon]

I'll give it a mid tier scam. I'll give it a mid tier scam.

[Tony Hernandez]

Definitely a scam.

[Christos Gagnon]

So now you've seen people on Facebook Marketplace doing their scams now?

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah. What's that about?

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, I'll give you just a little one. This is like, it's pretty clever how they do it. Oh, dude, there's actually a few different ways that this works. One is, all right, you go on Facebook Marketplace, you're trying to sell me this microphone, okay? And I hit you up and I go, hey, I love this microphone. It's a hundred bucks. Okay, bet I'll buy it. What's your information? Send me your Venmo Zelle. I send you $150. And then I go, hey, I accidentally sent you too much money. My bad. Can you send me the 50 bucks back? And you go, yeah, sure, no problem. You send me 50 bucks. But my original transaction to you never goes through.

[Tony Hernandez]

Why doesn't it go through?

[Christos Gagnon]

Because I block it through my bank. So the second I send it, it'll show up, like, pending transaction 150. I hit you immediately, please send me the 50. And then you send me the 50, and that one does go through. And so then you never get your. I get 50 bucks. And you do that all day.

[Tony Hernandez]

Jesus Christ.

[Christos Gagnon]

And then people do that with, like, painting. They'll be like, hey, I love you. I think your hair is beautiful. Like, your beard. Can I paint a picture of.

[Mark Yagnon]

Of you?

[Christos Gagnon]

And they go, yeah. And then they'll be like, I'll pay you to paint you. And then they'll be like, I'll pay you 50 bucks. And they'll send 500 and be like, Ah, can you send me 450 back? Some like that.

[Tony Hernandez]

What a. I mean, not like I said, nowadays, everything with technology, it's getting so easy for people to just mask themselves. Before the old comment, you just have to see them. Then they disappear. You don't even know who the you're talking to.

[Christos Gagnon]

No idea. The last one on this point, my friend's grandparents sitting watching tv. Old, old people watching a smart tv, okay? All of a sudden a, like a warning pops up and says, your TV subscription is almost done. Call this number. They call the number, start talking to the guy. The guy's professional, talks him through it, the whole this, that the third whatever fleeces them for like two grand. And I was like, how the.

[Tony Hernandez]

It really discussed on the smart TV people.

[Christos Gagnon]

The smart tv, like, I get sending someone an email being like, oh, your Facebook's hacked. Sending someone on a smart tv, they somehow hacked into the tv, got this message to pop up, and then ran their shit.

[Tony Hernandez]

Crazy insanity, man.

[Christos Gagnon]

So third turo scam. You have one more car left that's not completely destroyed.

[Tony Hernandez]

I don't know if it's. If you would classify this one as a scam, but it's definitely used in illegal activity that I know. Okay, so this one gets a little bit more cd, and it actually involves members of everybody's favorite ice, Homeland Security, who nowadays very famous at this time. This was before Trump was obviously in office. So you didn't really hear too much about them or my law enforcement background. I knew who to contact because of this particular situation. So same thing. This must be a thing. I don't know. Maybe they should restrict old ladies from renting, right? Dude, it gotta be something. I don't know.

[Christos Gagnon]

You're 02 for old ladies.

[Tony Hernandez]

If you can ghost who the host is or who the client is, who's gonna drive the car, then, like, there's no recourse. Like, you're not gonna add any drive. Who do you know? Like, you bring a sweet little old lady, you never think, like, something's gonna go happen. I think that, like, kind of.

[Christos Gagnon]

You're not racist. You're not. You're not sexist.

[Tony Hernandez]

I'm not ageist, though.

[Christos Gagnon]

Whatever you call a little age, bro. You're ageless, bro. If some lady's trying to rent my. She's over 65.

[Mark Yagnon]

Hit the bricks.

[Tony Hernandez]

You shouldn't even. You don't want to hear my opinion about senior citizens on social media, then.

[Christos Gagnon]

Oh, my God. No, no. They shouldn't be allowed. They should be illegal.

[Tony Hernandez]

I think after 55, you have to go to, like. You know how they make you drill those little puzzles to make sure you're not a robot?

[Christos Gagnon]

Yes.

[Tony Hernandez]

They should have, like, a little test.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah. The test is two and a half hours long.

[Mark Yagnon]

Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

And grandma's just sitting there clicking away like the Nokia phone. Just keep going around. Yeah, yeah, that's. I think that's a good concession. After 65, no social media.

[Tony Hernandez]

I think even before that, I think they're too out of touch. I think after 55 is when you got to start, like, oh, when they start collecting Social Security. Right. What is that? 59, 62. Somewhere around there.

[Christos Gagnon]

So no social media because their brains just. They can't handle the technology. And then on top of that, drugs are legal.

[Tony Hernandez]

Drugs are what?

[Christos Gagnon]

Legal. Drugs are legal for the old people.

[Tony Hernandez]

What kind of drugs, though?

[Christos Gagnon]

Little MDMA.

[Tony Hernandez]

Guys. Balls. He's having PCP episodes.

[Christos Gagnon]

We don't need pcp. But I'm just saying, give him a little bar, you know what I mean? Let them have a little zanny if they want. He's 90 years old. He serves his country, bro. He was in Vietnam.

[Tony Hernandez]

I could see lessening the restriction on certain things for old people, that's for sure. They've been through a lot, you know. Social media, though, is just not for them. I'm sorry. Just over and over again, you just see people embarrassing themselves and they're usually older people, you know, Facebook boomers.

[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

Anyway, I've got us off track. Okay.

[Tony Hernandez]

Some old lady, even so, some old.

[Christos Gagnon]

Lady'S trying to get back to it.

[Tony Hernandez]

Okay, so now this old lady rents the car. I think nothing of it. Okay? The car comes back and now I'm wary, so I'm fucking. I don't go and check the axle, but I get on like my hands and knees. I'm checking the thread. I'm taking really good pictures of everything because I don't want what happens with the previous car to happen again. Okay? She rents the car. It's about for maybe five days or whatever, right? Same thing. I have a tracker on this car. Starts when you rent it in Nevada, I'm assuming. Maybe you'll take it to California. Maybe you'll take it into the mountains or let's see, Zion is close, you know, Utah, places like that. Whatever.

[Christos Gagnon]

This is the range.

[Tony Hernandez]

This is the big Mercedes. Okay, so she rents the car and the car. The GPS is. The GPS is giving me like a signal like where the car is and stuff. And I see it like crossing border, like to Mexico. Like I'm like, what the fuck? Like going from Arizona is one thing, California, one thing, or whatever. But now you're crossing into Mexico.

[Christos Gagnon]

It's also not a close drive.

[Tony Hernandez]

I don't know the Rules on that though, with Turo that time as well. I didn't. I wasn't really too familiar with the rule of taking it because I never thought that somebody would take it and go down the border.

[Christos Gagnon]

How far is Vegas to Mexico?

[Tony Hernandez]

I want to say maybe eight hours. The best.

[Christos Gagnon]

I'm saying it's not a little like you're not in San Diego, like, oh, a little 45 minute drive.

[Tony Hernandez]

Because from, from Vegas to a certain spot in Arizona was about 5. And I think that spot in Arizona, I don't want to say what city, I forget the name. It was maybe Phoenix. But from Phoenix to the border is only a few hours, right? So you kind of got to figure whatever, like there's a straight shot or going to California, down to San Diego. Long story short, the car comes back, no problems, everything. But now, like, I'm rent it out again. So obviously you have to clean it up and everything. I find these passports, Mexican passports, American passports. I'm like, what the fuck is this.

[Christos Gagnon]

Where they're under the seat?

[Tony Hernandez]

No, they're actually once summoned in the glove compartment. And then like I found, I guess you could say like a wallet, like a woman's kind of wallet, whatever, under the seat that had like Social Security cards. All kind of like different identification for different people. None of them matched the lady that I rented it to.

[Christos Gagnon]

They look legit.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Mexican passport, but the US passport look legit. The Social Security cards look legit. They almost look brand new. I couldn't compare it to a real one. But if I had to say this was a real Social Security card, yeah, I would say so. Especially with my background in law enforcement having stopped people look at their id, Social Security card, it looked pretty similar. So I really didn't know what to do at that point. I didn't know like, you know, what was going on, this and that. I reached out to a buddy of mine in law enforcement in Vegas and he was like, oh, you know, maybe you should contact. And I was like. I told him the whole fucking story or whatever about what happened with the scam. I was like, they are no help. I'm gonna wind up getting some 15 year old from Bangladesh that doesn't even know his fucking name. And you know you're smuggling people into a band. What are you doing?

[Christos Gagnon]

You're smuggling.

[Tony Hernandez]

Sounds good. Now you're suspended. You know, maybe there's a.

[Christos Gagnon]

He's signed up. That dude's gonna be like, I'll be there tomorrow.

[Tony Hernandez]

This guy puts Me in contact with one of his buddies at Homeland Security in California. I talked to him. Vehicle was pinged several times going over the Arizona and San Diego border. I don't know how I didn't see the San Diego one. So I asked him, I was like, what's the story with this? Like, found some passports in the car, turned them into law enforcement, blah, blah, blah. He couldn't really talk on, you know, much of investigations and stuff like that, whatever. But he said, you know, these patterns are very similar with human smuggling. So what they'll do is a lot of these smugglers. And I can actually attest to this because I've had some cousins cross the border illegally. This was a long time ago, but this is how they did it. When my cousin came here legally, he wanted to bring his family. So in order to bring his family, you know, young kids, if you have the money, you're not gonna be crossing the Rio Grande and fucking crawling through the desert. You're gonna come here, you know, in luxury if you have the right connections and money. So he hired a couple coyotes, they call him. They work for the cartel. And my cousins came here in a brand new Mercedes, a brand new car. The lady that they were with said, hey, remember those people? Said to the border agent, remember those people? Whatever I told you I was gonna bring here, they are just like this. No papers, no nothing. Their first time in the United States, what that border, what the Homeland Security agent was kind of conferring to me without telling me was similar operation. As to that, what a lot of these smugglers will do is they'll rent, well to do cars, everything above board. As far as registration, legit US Plates. US Plates, all that stuff. You come from Nevada? Yeah, we were in Vegas. Now we're going to Mexico. Whatever excuse they use, or they have corrupt border agents, whatever the case may be, it's a lot easier to get someone in, in a fucking nice luxury vehicle. And I'm guessing that's what it was used for.

[Christos Gagnon]

Interesting.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, human smuggling sounds. It sounds like insane. And it is most of the time, but then every now and again it's like, oh, it's just, you know, some old lady, some kids that they're trying to bring back with their parents that are here legally or whatever the hell the situation may be. And so they put them in the car and drive over. My buddy, Fernando Puente, he's a great dude. He's down in San Diego. He used to be a coyote for a little bit.

[Tony Hernandez]

Oh, really?

[Christos Gagnon]

And yeah, he would talk about the way he would do it was like a little different, but he would basically go through the San Diego Tijuana border and he would get fake passports because basically like his cartel connects would be like, here's a bag of passports that we had kids steal from resorts.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah. A lot of them are left on the roads as well. Yeah. You see them?

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah. So take the passports, trying to match them up with this person that's paying us to smuggle them across. And then he's a US citizen, so he goes through the border and then basically goes through the immigration line like at the actual like no car, you like walk through it. And he was basically like, you, if I'm taking you over, you stand like two people behind me, go to the line that I go to, go to the agent that I go to. If they try to send you to a different agent, don't do it. And he told me that he didn't have a connect with the agent, but he was going through every day that he was tight with like two of the guys. And so on any given shift he like knew someone that was there and he was cool with them and he knew that they were like pretty chill. So he would stand line, go through and they would basically outfit the person that they're smuggling with whatever they needed. So it's like, okay, you're like a 30 year old dude, you're a construction worker, here's a high vis vest, here's a hard hat, here's some boots, you're going to the US to work, you're going back tomorrow. And they give them fake passport, give them all the fake documents they come through, then the second they come through, throw that out and they're in. And so I wonder if it's a similar thing, like I wonder if they left the passports like on purpose, you know, because like it's possible once they get across now they're here illegally. On top of that, you don't want to have, you know, stolen identification.

[Tony Hernandez]

Why do you have a fake passport? Right.

[Christos Gagnon]

But at the same time it's like leaving in the car. I think that's a mistake.

[Tony Hernandez]

Actually might have been a mistake because.

[Christos Gagnon]

I think now you're going to call and be like, let's say you're just a naive, you know, old lady. All of a sudden you're going to call and be like, hey, some guy left his passport, can you get it back to him? They're going to go to the account, they're going to track it. But I bet you these Accounts are all using fake IDs anyway, that's what.

[Tony Hernandez]

I was going to say. These are like shell companies. A lot of the times, like if you think about it like that, where they' use like one account to the next account to the next account and before you know it, you don't even know who really registered for it or if the. Like you said. What about the passport? Looks real, but it's fake, so they used it. The guy at the Mexican border is like, all right, go ahead, no problem. You know, sometimes those machines are down and they won't tell you the machine is down. The passport scanning machine. They'll just go through the process as if it's on, you know, so who knows? There's so many different avenues or so many what ifs, I guess we could go down or whatever, but. But at the end of the day, we both know that something was going on there. You don't leave random passports in a car of totally different people. Social Security's, different names. Like it all, like I said, all. The totality of the circumstances kind of led me to believe that. And just telling you the story, you kind of think it is a little bit, you know.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah, it's just weird. Yeah. It was obviously for human smuggling, right?

[Tony Hernandez]

It's some kind of smuggler, some kind of thing was going on there, you know.

[Christos Gagnon]

So the cartel rented your car to go smoke people across the country using.

[Tony Hernandez]

Fucking Abuelita Guadalupe or whatever. They snuck right through and gave me my car back. And none the wiser. Cuz who would it tie back to? Think about it. If like they're going back and forth, it's ping to me, my name.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hernandez]

So they'd be like, hey, you're responsible. Even though I was rented off Turo, you get my point?

[Christos Gagnon]

Oh, dude, if I saw Tony Hernandez in El Salvador, I'd be like, no, it's not him, bro. You got the wrong guy. I promise he didn't do it. He didn't do it. He's a God fearing man. Damn. Okay, so tell me about other crime in Vegas. Did you first off, do you sell these three cars?

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, I. At that point, whatever, I saw that the car rental market, unless there's a lot of guys that do make a lot of money from it, and you have it on lock, but using the Turo model. I don't really see it as a functioning model. Maybe it was during COVID I was.

[Christos Gagnon]

Thinking Vegas is a little different, in my opinion. I bet you could be doing it like a small town.

[Tony Hernandez]

No, Vegas was A good city to do it in, because people want to go there. And even if they're not like that movie 21. I don't know if you remember back in the day, the MIT student, like, when they go to Vegas, they're a whole different person. So you might be driving a Corolla in, you know, Massachusetts when you go to Vegas. Hey, fuck it, I'm in Vegas. I want to. I want to feel what it's like to sit behind a Range Rover. I want to see. That was my. My idea. Like, people want to come here and they want to ball out. And it worked for a while, but then after Turo didn't cover me on that, I took a loss. The tires, a couple other things. Like I said, they put oil on the seats, all this kind of shit. I'm like, it's really not worth the hassle. So I ended up selling all the cars, and I didn't really know what I wanted to do, but I said, you know what? Let me stay in the automotive industry. I had made a lot of connections from renting it out. Like I said, I did it privately for a while. So I made, like, some well to do clients, people that came to Vegas just for business, you know. So I said, you know what, let me see if I can do, like, maybe almost an executive protection kind of thing with my background in law enforcement. Cop. Let me get a nice Suburban or like a towel or something. So that's what I wounded up doing.

[Christos Gagnon]

I don't know if I can ask you this. Do you still have access to a weapon?

[Mark Yagnon]

Yeah. Yes.

[Christos Gagnon]

Okay. And so legally you have open carry.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah. Why don't you ever sit.

[Christos Gagnon]

Wait.

[Tony Hernandez]

Do you always carry it on you in New York? Usually, yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

So you have it. You have training.

[Tony Hernandez]

Vegas is open carry, though.

[Christos Gagnon]

So Vegas is open carry. You have training as a cop, and, you know, you're in Vegas, you're like driving cars, right?

[Tony Hernandez]

Exactly.

[Christos Gagnon]

You have a couple. So it's like, yeah, let me just take some people out.

[Tony Hernandez]

So, no, what I did was I totally sold those cars and I bought the big Suburban, the big suv, because I'm thinking in my head, like, all right, the more passengers I can get in this, the more fucking money charged by the head, you know? So that's what I started doing. I started doing that, and then I said, you know what, let me take it to the next level. I wanted to start doing Uber. I said, let me just maybe make some. Meet some nice people or whatever, you know? And I was getting bored, to be honest with you, you know, to be retired in your 30s, 40s is not the thing. I don't care what anybody said. I mean, a 20s probably fucking sucks, man, because what do you want to do? Everything, and then you got nothing else to live for or whatever. Towards the end of your life, you know, you kind of want to just keep the ball moving. So I said, you know what? I got to stay busy. I got to do something. And the shitty thing about driving such a nice vehicle, I knew I wanted to have a nice vehicle because I wanted to do like, like uber black, like Uber Premiere, the top one, you know, because that's where you're gonna make the most money. And I wounded up getting this Tahoe, and that's how I started doing it. And then from there, what sucks is in the beginning, they kind of make you do regular Uber. So, like, pulling up in this luxury vehicle and, you know, it's like people think you're coming to, like, a little Kia like you usually get and stuff.

[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

I love that you like that. I love when I get an Uber X from jfk and all of a sudden the Tahoe pulls up, the Suburban.

[Tony Hernandez]

You got lucky.

[Christos Gagnon]

Come on, bro.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, but as an Uber guy, you fucking hate it because you know you're getting maybe a quarter of what the revenue that you should be getting anyway.

[Christos Gagnon]

So who do you start driving around, like, once you get into?

[Tony Hernandez]

So now it's random, obviously, but I had my connections, whatever. I started driving some, well to do people. Casino executives, a lot of athletes, movie stars. In the area that I was in, in Summerlin, I guess you would consider it like the Hamptons. So there's a lot. It's a very nice neighborhood. The funny thing about Vegas is that Everybody thinks it's 24, 7 park, 15, 20 minutes off the Strip. It's a whole different place. I'm talking about, you know, palm trees and paradise.

[Christos Gagnon]

That's what he called community. Little resort, little lake house.

[Tony Hernandez]

That's it. You know, it's very nice, so. But as nice as it is, there's always an underbelly of crime no matter where you are. From the most exclusive neighborhoods all the way to the ghetto. The problem is, well, I guess the disguise is when you're in the nicer neighborhoods like Summerlin or the Hamptons, the crime is swept under the rug or it's behind closed doors. Nobody complains.

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[Tony Hernandez]

So, you know, going back to what we were saying about smuggling, I don't think that, you know, just human. I don't think that just the Turo business is. I don't want to say an example or a gateway, but I'm losing the word here. But. But if it facilitates human smuggling. I don't think that Turo itself facilitates human smuggling. But there are several businesses in Vegas within the city limits, the confines of the city that I do feel are. You can't call them open air prostitution because it's on the low, but everybody knows that the prostitution goes on. So I'll give you an example. Massage parlors now here in New York City, you'll see it as well. But there's something that's different about them. In New York, you'll see, like if you go to Flushing, usually like now it's a big deal because everybody's talking about it. With the recent migrants, Flushing has got all the Chinese hookers on 41st, you know, massage, massage, massage. Roosevelt Avenue. They did that whole operation Roosevelt with all the Venezuelan girls and coming in, you know, street walkers, pretty much open air prostitution. Vegas has them. But I think the majority of the prostitution and stuff is behind closed doors. And that's, that is the, that is what facilitates the, the human smuggling. So these massage parlors, they're really prevalent on the, the southwest, definitely on the west side of Vegas from the Strip. Vegas is broken up on the strip. So Las Vegas, Strip, you go east of the strip, west, north, south, right? So I want to say like, like southwest, around there is the Spring Mountain area, Chinatown. There's a massage parlor, like one every five feet. Okay? In these massage parlors, not only Asian girls, same like in Jackson Heights, Roosevelt, Flushing. Hispanic girls, Venezuelan, Colombian. You're like wondering, like, how the do you get from there to here? Like, you know, some people, you know, they come from these South American countries or Caribbean countries. They usually wind up in Miami, New York, Florida, maybe they go a little east to Connecticut. But how the fuck do you wind up all the way over here? And, you know, you kind of start asking questions or, you know, look at it and you can kind of tell who will talk and who won't. A lot of these girls, they're not allowed to leave the spots. But if you'll see some of these like, hot Colombian girl in the middle of fucking Vegas. And some of it's like, you know, you don't speak too much English, you don't really worry in this place, in a supermarket, let's say, you know, and you look good and you might hand out a card, and you look at the card and it says massage. And you're like, you put two and two together, it's like this is a fucking front for a prostitution house. That's all it is.

[Christos Gagnon]

But how does it work?

[Tony Hernandez]

They are all over Vegas. So basically, if we go back to what we were saying about human smuggling, about getting people over the border, what a lot of these places will do is strip clubs as well, is they'll sponsor these girls. Okay? So you might be, you might have a connection down in South America, let's say Colombia, one of these places. And a lot of These girls will line up, they want to come here, they want to get smuggled into the country. And it costs money to get smuggled into the country. They're broke, but they look good. And a lot of these guys know what the deal is. Hey, a lot of times they're promised cleaning jobs and shit like that. Or, hey, you might work in a spa, you know, they'll tell them that. And it's a spa that gives massages. And then the massages lead to open air prostitution, you know, suck, fuck, whatever you want to do, do. So these girls are smuggled over sometimes under the guise of them. They might have a job. So that's how they'll work it off. Say, hey, listen, it's going to cost me 50 grand to take you over there, okay? How are you going to pay that? You're going to have to work for us for this certain amount of time. The problem is that a lot of these smugglers, they lie. They get them over here, they take their phone away, total communication. Leave them in one of those massage parlors. And those girls are not allowed to leave. They're there 24, seven, seven days a week, and they're servicing all the guys that are coming in.

[Christos Gagnon]

And they don't know anyone here.

[Tony Hernandez]

They don't know anyone here, don't speak any English, don't no language, no bank account. The money's held by whoever brought them here. And if they don't do what they say they're gonna do, as in, hey, I didn't sign up for no prostitution. Some girls are gung ho for it. They want to do it.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah, they'll do whatever it takes, whatever.

[Tony Hernandez]

It takes to get out of where they are. But some girls under the guise of, hey, you're gonna go clean rich people's houses in the US and now they're in a fucking rundown massage parlor in Vegas. They're like, yo, I was totally duped. I'm not doing this. And then the cartel, whoever smuggled them here will say, well, we're gonna kill your whole fucking family back in Colombia.

[Christos Gagnon]

It's really.

[Mark Yagnon]

It's like that.

[Tony Hernandez]

It' like that? Yeah, it's like that. They'll get them. They'll have some. It happens in China a lot too. Russia, China. That's more of the strip club things. If you've ever seen a lot of these girls, they'll get busted the strip club and then bust right back wherever they're staying. And they all just go strip club back, strip club back. If you'll notice, I Don't remember the name, but there was an operation where they busted like a whole brothel of like Eastern European and Russian girls. There's a strip club here in the city. Just back and forth or whatever, shuttling them back and forth.

[Christos Gagnon]

And they're put up in like.

[Tony Hernandez]

They're put up in like a hostel or like an apartment, and everybody's got their little section or whatever, but you're not allowed to leave. There's a guard at the door. Whatever you need, you tell him, he goes and does the shopping for you or whatever, and you're here. You're like a fucking. You're a victim.

[Christos Gagnon]

And I'm sure they put four or five girls in a room, bunk beds.

[Tony Hernandez]

I used to go to strip clubs a lot here in the city. And every once in a while, like, I know that the demographic of the city, okay, it's usually the girls that dance. Depending on the neighborhood you in, is usually black Spanish, you know, some kind of Latina, something like that.

[Christos Gagnon]

Each club had their own thing and they have.

[Tony Hernandez]

But they have an accent from here or, you know, from somewhere in the US when you start to see an importation of other girls coming in that speak absolutely no English, you know, and you hear their accents and they're like, dang, you're literally fresh off the boat. Like, you came here to come to work to a strip club? I don't think so. Like, how did you facilitate that? And usually it's facilitated because they come on smuggled in and they're not allowed to leave. And half their money or all their money goes to the pimp or the coyote or whoever smuggles them here. And they have to work until they pay that debt off.

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, it's literally slavery.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's slavery. It's basically what it is.

[Mark Yagnon]

Whoa.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, so that's really prevalent.

[Christos Gagnon]

And then I wonder, how do you even stop that? You know, you can set up a sting, you can go in, ask your girl, like, hey, what's your paperwork? Da da da, da.

[Tony Hernandez]

They're so. These schemes and these organizations are so thorough and thought out that they've thought about that already. So a lot of times what they'll do is you might go to this massage parlor, right, and meet a girl you like. And you'd be like, damn, okay, everything went good. You know, you're not a cop, she's not a cop, and you're just a regular Joe and you just want to go there. And a lot of these guys, that smugglers, what they'll do is every six to eight Months. Those girls get moved to a new whole different location. They have no idea where they are. In order to not let them get too closer to John that might like them and be like, you know, maybe I'll get you out of here or, you know, what can I offer you? So they'll just keep rotating them around so that way they don't develop any kind of relationship.

[Christos Gagnon]

They got no phone, no contact. So once they get moved to a different area, different city, whatever.

[Tony Hernandez]

Even if they had a phone, let's say, okay, maybe they can call 911 this and that. But like I said, what's the. What's the repercussions that gonna come from that? That 91 1's not gonna help your family or protect your family in your country. If, you know, somebody says, hey, you know, so and so fucked up in the US and now you gotta pay.

[Christos Gagnon]

You also don't know. Like, I don't doubt in some of these countries that they will just merc your whole family. Sure. But even if they're not going to, just the threat of that is enough to make anyone be like, like, why would I risk it? You know what I mean? Like, yo, we know where your grandma lives. Like, something's gonna happen.

[Tony Hernandez]

Sure.

[Christos Gagnon]

You don't even have to say violence. Something's gonna happen. And all you got to do is just pay off your debt. And you're like, man, how selfish am I to not just pay off my debt? I got us into this situation and it's up because you don't know what your debt is. You don't know how much you're paying off and you don't even know what they're gonna do. I bet you in some of these cases they're just bluffing, but it's enough to psychologically put you in a spot where you're just completely trapped.

[Tony Hernandez]

Of course, man. I mean, who. It's definitely psychological warfare in a way. But do you really want to test the guy's bluff? Especially in countries where those things do happen. Like, you hear about it, like so and so's family got slaughtered by the cartel. They killed even the baby. Like, you know, the six month old in the crib, they shot him in the face. Yeah, shit like that. It actually happens.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hernandez]

It reminds me of a story once. Me and my friend at the time we left the club with these two chicks and one of the ch. I was with one of the chicks, he was with the other one. And the one that he was with, she was working for like some Russian gangsters. Some mobsters or something doing, like, credit card shit. It was like a waitress or something stealing credit cards and all that bullshit. And when she decided to stop, they didn't threaten, they didn't do anything or whatever. They sent her an envelope, and the envelope was her kid coming out of school. What is that a message or is that a message? Yeah. That's not saying I'm gonna kill you. That's not saying. They didn't. They didn't even fight. She was like, I don't want to do it anymore. They were like, you sure? Yeah. All right. And then, like, she found a letter with. With picture a kid coming out of school.

[Christos Gagnon]

What did she do? Leave it there.

[Tony Hernandez]

Leave it at that one, bro. Yeah, imagine that's. That was the message, bro. You know what I mean? So why. What do you want to do? You want to call that guy's bluff that he won't do something to your kid one day that you're late waking him up or whatever?

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah, bro. I mean, this is not a game. Like, that is crazy. Like, so how do you get out of that? Like. Like, I guess, twofold. One, how do you prosecute that? Like, how does the state try to stop it? And then if you're that person in that situation or you know someone in that situation, like, what do you do?

[Tony Hernandez]

I think it's too late once it's already started here, you see, they've done the Operation Roosevelt now for like, the past year. Like, excuse me, raiding the brothels, kicking out the street workers. So open air drug use right across the street from the school, things like that. That it's already too far gone. They're here. They know they got to pay the money back. They know they're not scared to take a prostitution pinch or a small drug pinch, especially with the way the laws are set up in the city right now. So I think it has to be, you know, taken to a bigger level. Like, so basically, follow the money. You know, where does the money go? So if you see these prostitutes, who are they paying? Obviously coyotes and stuff like that. It's just a major network, cartel network. That's where you got to kind of stop it. And I think that stops with securing the border. ICE doing that job of kicking all these fuckers out of here or whatever that are bringing these girls here. A lot of them will do. A lot of these coyotes are nobodies in their country. And they just get the idea of, if I can get 10 of these bitches to fucking New York and start making money off of Them, I'm the man now. So they're willing to risk a lot too, you know. So I think in order to stop it, you gotta kinda get those guys. Cause the prostitutes and. And that's the low level people, you know, you gotta get the people actually bringing them in.

[Christos Gagnon]

That's what I'm saying. You get 10 girls, you know, arrested, whatever. They're gonna have 10 more tomorrow. Yeah, it's a revolving door.

[Tony Hernandez]

And even though that the girls in those countries, even though they know 10 girls maybe died on the trip, 10 girls got arrested, or 10 girls doing life in jail, they'll still risk it to come. That's so it's like a revolving door. It's like almost unstoppable.

[Mark Yagnon]

What's up, people?

[Christos Gagnon]

We're gonna take a break real quick. Cause this episode is sponsored by me.

[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Tony Hernandez]

And then maybe we send a little something extra to the ones that do 10.

[Christos Gagnon]

If you do Camp 10, maybe there's something extra. No promises, but it's an interesting experiment. I just am curious to see what you guys do. Camp 10 or Camp 15? At Camp R D, when you check.

[Mark Yagnon]

Out, you're gonna be getting those discounts. Thank you so much for rocking with us and wearing the threads. It keeps the lights on. It keeps.

[Christos Gagnon]

Keeps the fire burning is an interesting argument for, you know, like border control. Right? Like, I think most people support like a Sensible sort of border issue, right? Like, most people are like, yeah, like, you know, find a way to create avenues for people to come in legally, secure the border. I think most people politically across the aisle are on board with that. But, you know, obviously, the way that politically right now things have happened, there's a lot of people that are mad about ice, which I understand. It's like, you're going to like a kid's preschool being like, who are your parents? Where are your papers? You're arresting kids separating from their families. It's messed up. But the flip side is, like, how many of these cases are there where there's a woman being sex trafficked? She doesn't know what she's getting into. She's showing up in this place thinking it's a different job. All of a sudden, now she's legit being sex trafficked. Indentured servitude, slavery, slavery, no way out. And then ICE shows up and is like, who are you? Who are these people who's making this whole thing run? Maybe that turns into full federal operation where they're able to investigate this, you know, sex trafficking.

[Mark Yagnon]

Right.

[Christos Gagnon]

Ring. And who knows, maybe these girls get deported, but they're like, all right, I'm not putting my family at risk. I'm out of that situation. I wonder how often that happens again. I don't know. But it is an interesting ripple when people talk about, like, border security. It's like, yeah, you're. You're stopping people from coming in that are trying to change their lives, trying to work and, you know, better their futures. But also, you're potentially helping people that are in bad situations that have no way out.

[Tony Hernandez]

I'm in favor of legal immigration. You know, I, I don't. I think we should bring back LSI island, to be honest with you. Like, put everybody on an island, screen them there, and if you're allowed to come in, come into the mainland. If not, go back to where the you from. You know, if people don't agree with that, that's your own business. But there's no border in the world that people could just walk into. So considering the laws and the way that things are set up in the country, in this country, when you have those stringent laws on immigration and stuff like that, it creates a black. You know what I mean? Like, no matter what, people are going to want to try to get in there.

[Christos Gagnon]

I wonder if also regulating prostitution in these places, like, there's a lot of parts of Nevada that have regulated prostitution. And I wonder if the instances of indentured servitude, slavery are not the same in those places. I don't know. Like, I haven't really thought through all the externalities, but I wonder.

[Tony Hernandez]

Well, you can look at it on that side, but I'm actually talking about Las Vegas. This happening in Las Vegas.

[Christos Gagnon]

But is it legal? Like, is prostitution legal?

[Tony Hernandez]

I. It's not. So Las Vegas is. Las Vegas is, is one municipality. Then there's North Las Vegas, then there's Summerlin, then there's Henderson. So it's kind of where the strip is, is Las Vegas. But half of it is North Las Vegas, the city of North Las Vegas. So they kind of split, split everything up. And I really don't know, to be honest with you.

[Christos Gagnon]

It is illegal. USA prosecution.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, so. So the Bunny Ranch, which is, is in, in Pahrump, that is technically totally legal. Like you can walk in there and there's like a menu of services. Yeah, I never been, but it's like expensive supposedly. But there's also guys on the strip and there's big billboards on the Strip. Girls to your room. 24 hours.

[Mark Yagnon]

Just when I was there.

[Tony Hernandez]

Chica, chicas. They do this with the cars and they give them to you and it's like girls to your room. So it's like the casino knows what's going on. And prostitution is just so prevalent in Vegas. Even if it's legal, it's not legal. It's almost like marijuana here. Like before it was legal, everybody smoked anyway, so it was like no big fucking big deal, like to smell marijuana. I think prostitution has that same effect in Vegas. It's so lax. The laws are so laxed. The girls are walking around in these short skirts around the casinos. The security knows what they're doing. Nobody really enforces it. The only time they enforce it is usually during like, like an event, like during the super bowl or something like that, or there's like a big concert. They try to like maybe clean it up a bit little for the tourists. Because then all the girls come there, even if you're not a prostitute, but you know, you want to go there to make some money off of these guys. It's so crazy. Like some of these girls are regular fucking girls. And then they'll go to Vegas to be a prostitute just for the weekend, to make some money.

[Christos Gagnon]

Crazy.

[Tony Hernandez]

They go back to the little small town like nothing happened. Oh, we had a girls night in Vegas. Meanwhile they're fucking selling, you know, selling pussy.

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, I'll. I'll take that over the trafficking Though, I mean, that is wild. Like, if some girl wants to go there for a weekend and make money, I'm like, whatever. It's not great. But like, I get it. But like, like the trafficking thing just. Just seems like that is. I didn't realize the depth and the complexity to how they can really get someone trapped. Like, in my mind I was like, these girls know what they're doing, they're coming over, they make some money. Like, that's what I assumed it was. You know, the pimp gets his piece. I never realized how, you know, coercive it was.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's half and half. So what you're used to and what you're talking about still exists in Vegas. So they call, you know, the street prostitutes, you know, they have their pimps or whatever, you know, they usually from homegrown prostitutes, I guess you could say from the United States. States. Maybe they're from a different state. They go to Vegas, like you said, make it big. And they wind up ruining their life or just getting stuck there with no return ticket back home. You'll see that what they call is the blade. That's where all the strippers hang out. Boulder highway, what I was telling you about, littered with prostitutes in the nighttime. It's a lot of truck stops, a lot of truckers, people like that. It's hard to tell if those girls are trafficked, though, like I said, because I don't want to say traffic like human smuggling traffic from a different place, but maybe you know how every year there's tons of kids that go kidney kidnapped, kidnapped or disappeared and stuff like that. And they're in the United States. They're homegrown kids from the United States. A lot of them, I think, wind up there on Boulder Highway.

[Christos Gagnon]

Of course, right outside, it's like, hey, I'll take care of you. I can get you an apartment.

[Tony Hernandez]

Oh, yeah, you're 18. You came to Vegas, baby. No problem. Some sweet talking pimp comes in and then all of a sudden he's got to turn in tricks in front of the New Orleans casino too. That's like blatant. Oh, my God. Like, if you drive past the New Orleans casino, It's on Tropicana 100% guarantee. You will see at least 10 hookers.

[Christos Gagnon]

Allegedly.

[Tony Hernandez]

No, it's not alleged. Go by, you'll see it.

[Christos Gagnon]

I'm creating legal protection. Yeah, bro, this is wild.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's just wild, man. So half of the sex work in Vegas is definitely attributed to human smuggling? Without a doubt. Half, I would say half. So if we're going massage parlors and streetwalkers, which I would think are the two most prevalent places to look for that kind of work. I would say that the ones that are in the parlors, 99 of them, I would say, I don't think that they would take them in the parlor if they were one of these bitches that could come and go, you know what I mean? Like, they have to have total control on them because you're running in a league, a legal establishment. It's masqueraded as a massage parlor, chick on the corner or whatever. A pimp doesn't give a fuck. He's gonna do whatever he wants.

[Christos Gagnon]

And then, not to mention the other crime that comes with that, right? There's like theft, drug use, all this kind of stuff, right?

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

Like, you bring a girl to your room, all of a sudden your watch is gone, you know? All of a sudden, you know there's extra cash in, your wallet's not there.

[Tony Hernandez]

I don't know if you saw that story, man. Young kid, 23 years old, he thought he was going to have a threesome. Gets these two girls, these two young black chicks. About 10 minutes after security cameras catch them going up to the room, chicks are running out of his room, room. They slip something in his drink. They killed him, bro. 23, man. It's just probably the first time he ever went with a prostitute or who knows?

[Christos Gagnon]

And that's such a shitty situation all around because it's like, yeah, the kid's obviously a victim here, right? Like, he got killed, but then also, like, these girls, I don't know what situation they're in, you know what I mean? And obviously you shouldn't be drugging people, but it's like, yeah, they got told by some pimp, like, hey, put this in his drink. He'll fall asleep. You can run his.

[Tony Hernandez]

Funny. The funny thing is, it's not always the pimps. I think that they. A lot of them are sick. They do it on their own. A lot of those girls, like I said, it's a hustle city, so a lot of them don't have pimps. A lot of them are their own pimps. So they operate alone and they're able to just navigate because they're protected by or not protected by casino security, bro.

[Christos Gagnon]

Okay, so what else did you see and witness while you were out in Vegas?

[Tony Hernandez]

Well, I mean, leaving the smuggling thing just to the side. And the prostitution stuff. We want to talk about legal sex work. I guess you could say I worked during the avn. Aw. The porn awards. And I mean, just to be a fly on the wall there was great. You know what I mean? Because you're seeing all these girls, and I'm like, I remember you. I recognize this one. Right?

[Christos Gagnon]

But when you say working it, you were. You were driving.

[Tony Hernandez]

I was driving around. So I had a. It was at the Virgin Hotel.

[Christos Gagnon]

Ironic picked up.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, right? Virgin used to be the Hard Rock back in the day. So they changed it to the Virgins. Right off the Strip, I think they always host. So they come in. It's about six girls, all porn stars. And I'm just, like, so smitten at this point because they're all like, you know, they're dressed like they dress in the movies for the awards. So it's like pasties, and there's just tits and ass all over my car. So I'm just like, oh, my God. So I'm quiet. I'm just listening to the stories. Ridiculous, bro. Like, these girls, the amount of money that they get offered and the shit that they gotta do, though, is probably disgusting. But the amount of money that they get offered is like, insanity. Like, what are we talking, 50 grand for a night?

[Christos Gagnon]

Wow.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah. But they gotta do some really disgusting shit. I don't know if you ever heard the Dubai Experience. You gotta get shit on and all that kind of stuff. So one of the girls said that there was, like, this Indian guy. I don't know if it's like a thing with their shit they like to get shit on or whatever. He offered her 20 grand to get shit on, and she was. For her to get shit on.

[Christos Gagnon]

Whoa.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah. Like, somebody wanted to shit on her for 20 grand. She said no. But this is the conversation I've been listening to in my backseat, bro. It's like, really real, real raunchy, bro.

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, I never understood that, to.

[Tony Hernandez]

Be honest with you.

[Christos Gagnon]

Just a cleanup.

[Tony Hernandez]

The smell, not my thing. Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

And then also the prep. You gotta think about diet the whole day. Like, it just seems like a whole to do, you know?

[Tony Hernandez]

But these girls, man, like, you know, it's just a dollar, you know, they'll do pretty much anything for the dollar, I think. Maybe not for 20, but if the guy would offer the 50, maybe she would have. Yeah. It's just wild stuff, man.

[Christos Gagnon]

And. And especially Vegas has, like, a massive, like, porn industry. Only fans market. Like, there's a lot of stuff that happens out there, I'm pretty sure.

[Tony Hernandez]

I think now it's kind of concentrated towards that. A lot of people, a lot of the Strip Clubs I hear were having trouble finding talent because all these girls, now they want to do onlyfans.

[Christos Gagnon]

Interesting.

[Tony Hernandez]

You go to Vegas on a Thursday and you're looking for top tier clients. Top tier strippers. Let's say the clients are looking for. And they're like, dude, these girls are disgusting. Or like, what are these girls? Like, where are the hot girls? I'm like, it's really hard for the strip clubs nowadays to maintain these girls because a lot of them just want to do onlyfans. The hot ones. Ones at least.

[Christos Gagnon]

Interesting.

[Tony Hernandez]

Damn. Wow. Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

Because the only fans thing, I feel like not a lot of people always clock it, but like there it is, a billboard for other services at times.

[Tony Hernandez]

What do you mean?

[Christos Gagnon]

Like not every girl, of course, but you have an only fans. You're posting content and then that feeds into dms. Guys are messaging you, you're paying for the messages and so now you're charging per message. A lot of times these girls aren't even the ones messaging. It's like it'll be farmed out to an agency. Agency. And the agency will have some dude in the Philippines that's messaging on her behalf from the account.

[Tony Hernandez]

Interesting.

[Christos Gagnon]

Oh, you're so handsome. Like, send me photos. Da da da. And she's sending 10,000 messages a day. Not her. And she's getting paid on every message. And then from there you have a guy that's like, hey, I'm coming to this city where you're at this weekend. Can we hang out? How much to hang out? And then now it's like, all right, let's talk about whatever that rate is. So now it's like the content is just a feeder into other types of, you know, sexual work. Makes sense. Which is just crazy to think because like, I think a lot of people are like, oh yeah, you're just posting feet pics. Da da da. It's like some people, but it also can turn into more. And you might get into it being like, yeah, I'll just post some feed pics here and there and then someone offers you life changing money for you at the time. And all of a sudden the original plan is not the plan.

[Tony Hernandez]

I think that that ties into with these porn stars as well. Because yeah, they, they shoot sex scenes on camera and stuff like that, but they do a lot of, of extracurricular activity that derives from their porn. A lot of people just want to maybe be seen with them or hire them as an escort. Not for sex. Like, I want to be seen with you on my arm. That's really prevalent in Vegas. A lot of guys that just want arm candy, stuff like that. I don't know if it was a shuttle service to there or during edc, because I worked that too. That was probably the craziest weekend in Vegas. Edc? Why edc? Vegas?

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hernandez]

No, it's insane. It's like half a million people that come just for that.

[Christos Gagnon]

I see.

[Tony Hernandez]

So it takes place in the desert, but everybody's concentrated on the strip.

[Christos Gagnon]

There's a big music festival in Vegas, if anyone doesn't know.

[Tony Hernandez]

Right. It's called EDC Vegas. I think they do it everywhere. I never been. Electric something Electric Daisy Carnival. That's what it is. So during those times, I feel like there was a lot of. I don't want to say sex work, but what would you call that? I guess prostitution. Yeah, I guess you could say that. Prostitution. So those girls, porn stars, they want to be seen there, you know, at the edc, wearing their shit or whatever, you know. So I was shuttling a lot of them. There was a lot of house parties, mansion parties during that time. But you don't ask questions, but you kind of know what's going on.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah. I mean, even you walk around certain casinos and there's specific ones where you see it more than others. But like, it'll be a group of like three older guys, mid-60s, easily walking around with these like 23 year old girls. And like I was even hanging my buddy and he's like, yeah, that's just how this goes. Like these guys are coming here for the weekend. They have a work conference, they're doing a buddies trip, whatever. They have wives. Maybe they don't. Who cares? They're here for the weekend. They want to be with women.

[Tony Hernandez]

Right?

[Christos Gagnon]

They want to have just convenience. And maybe they want to be out, they want to be at the tables, they want to be at the club, and then they want to go back to the room and they just want just a hot girl at all these locations, 100%. And if you're a rich guy, it's like, all right, I can just spend like 1500 bucks and just have a girl for the day. Just like hang out with me. I can talk to her if I want, but if I'm not flirting with her, she's not gonna leave. Like, there's no upkeep. It's just like she has a job to do, which is hang out with me all day. And if you're a rich dude that's already gonna spend 20 grand that weekend, it's like, yeah, Just throw it in. It's how a lot of these guys.

[Tony Hernandez]

Are thinking, oh, a thousand percent.

[Christos Gagnon]

And you see it all over.

[Tony Hernandez]

Oh, it's really. It's funny too sometimes when you look at it. Like you see this overweight white dude, balding, big belly or whatever, and then this like SM hot like Mexican chick. You're like, what the fuck?

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's like, what are you doing with him?

[Christos Gagnon]

Everyone kind of knows and no one really says shit. It's just an interesting thing.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's an interesting dynamic for sure.

[Christos Gagnon]

So I'm curious, when you were you ever interacting with like high rollers, like guys spending crazy money at the tables? Like, what are these guys talking about?

[Tony Hernandez]

I had a chick get in the car once, smoke show, literally. Like, if you like white chicks, like blonde hair, blue eyes, that kind of thing. It's not my type, but like, like I look at her, I'm like, jesus Christ. Like you're like fucking in your prime here. I started talking to her. She's 27 years old. She was on the phone chatting a little bit. So when she hung up, I had to ask. And I was like, I heard you say you were just with a billionaire. And she was like, yeah. I was like, how'd you know he was a billionaire? She was like, oh, he was so and so. So I was like, oh, shit. I was like, he is a billionaire, right? I was like, what do you do? Like, you know, you work. Is your boyfriend or something like that? She's like, no. 27 by the way. Like, no, no, no. He likes me to gamble for him. Like, what? Yeah, he likes me to gamble for him. So this guy who's got like billions of dollars or whatever, she's like, I just lost $100,000 in like five minutes. And he didn't say a word. It was his money. He likes hot chicks to gamble for him. He likes to go to the high rollers room and he gets these hot chicks and he puts the money down on the table and they fucking gamble. He doesn't tell them what to do. Nothing. That's like his thing.

[Christos Gagnon]

What is that?

[Tony Hernandez]

I have no idea.

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, you've heard of find out. No. Financial domination.

[Tony Hernandez]

Oh, financial domination. Yeah. I didn't know it was a name.

[Christos Gagnon]

It's a whole thing that like. Like men.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

That have a ton of money will at times like to be financially dominated. So literally, like, they will find women to give money to, to like, and then be like, oh, wow, like this bag is so expensive, but it's not nice enough. Like, they, like, humiliate them with, like.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's like a humiliation ritual kind of shit.

[Christos Gagnon]

But, like, the guys like to be humiliated by how much money they're giving away.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's fucking weird. It's like those guys that like to get kicked in the balls or whatever. You ever see that?

[Christos Gagnon]

It's literally the same thing.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's, like, so weird. It's so. Listen, it's not my thing. I'm sorry for saying weird if that's your thing. If you're not hurting anybody and two, consenting adults, do whatever the fuck you want. But from the outside, from, like, my perspective, like, you know, I fucking dry myself with the shower towel too hard or whatever. You think I want to get fucking killed?

[Christos Gagnon]

Kicked, bro, I'd see the automatic tip, and it's like 30%. And I'm like, am I. Am I getting finned down right now? What the hell is happening by this barista? But that's how it feels. But some of these guys, like, if you got crazy money is some type of thing where they're like. I mean, because if you think about it, right, as a guy, like, you work hard, you make money, right? Like, someone taking that money from you or like, you know, coercing you into giving away that money could be painful.

[Mark Yagnon]

And if you.

[Christos Gagnon]

If you get aroused from, you know, humiliation or pain, this is just another version of pain and humiliation.

[Tony Hernandez]

Another version.

[Christos Gagnon]

And everyone's happy, right? Like the girls getting breaded. You know what I mean? You're getting humiliated. You're getting aroused. Like, everyone wins. So I wonder if that's a part of it for him where he's like, these girls go, they blow all my money. These dumb idiots, they're just, you know, throwing it all away.

[Tony Hernandez]

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[Christos Gagnon]

Have you talked to anyone that like, was up Crazy.

[Tony Hernandez]

What's a crazy number to you?

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, like, some people will be.

[Tony Hernandez]

Like, oh, you're up 20 grand. That's crazy money to me. It's not really a big deal.

[Christos Gagnon]

I think, like, you gotta be in the mills.

[Tony Hernandez]

I'll show you a video. Maybe you could put it on there. Somebody left a hundred thousand dollars in my car.

[Mark Yagnon]

Cash. What?

[Christos Gagnon]

100,000 duffel bag.

[Tony Hernandez]

No, one of those little bank secure bags.

[Christos Gagnon]

What?

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, 100,000. That gentleman, he's a. He was a client of mine. I would have stolen him. I don't have that in me, to be honest. As soon as I text my friend, I was like, bro, somebody left 100 grand in my car. He's like, get the out here. I took a video with it. I was like, 100 grand.

[Christos Gagnon]

So he's like, also, if you're like me, I'm paranoid. So, like, the idea of you don't forget about 100 grand.

[Tony Hernandez]

No, I know he didn't forget about it. He was fucked up.

[Christos Gagnon]

And this guy's gonna be like, yo, where's the money at? So even if you were like, I'm gonna steal it. There's gonna be a collection.

[Tony Hernandez]

There's always. You ever seen no country for Old Men? Somebody's gonna come for their money.

[Christos Gagnon]

Nothing's free.

[Tony Hernandez]

Nothing is free. You never get away. You never find that hidden treasure. And then all of a sudden, nobody comes looking for it. So he was one of my regular clients. Like I said, I did Uber, but I did a lot of private clients, like casino executives, people like that. And they would introduce me to people like, he's a solid guy. Go with him, you know. Cause the way I met that guy, he fucking walked outta the casino. I've seen him with more money than that. So it was 100 grand. It wasn't a big deal for me to see with him. Cause he bet like that. Did he win a million? I don't think so. I don't know. I didn't ask him that specific, you know. But I knew he gambled a lot. The first time I met him, I picked him up randomly and he had probably about 80, 90 grand on him. And I was like a little in shy. I was like, casino just let you walk out of the door with 80, 90,000, no security, no nothing. He's like, you know, come to the think about it, maybe I do need security. So we started a little rapport. He became one of my good guys. But I mean, yeah, there's guys out there you would not know. He's not from Vegas, he's from Florida. He's from your territory over there. He every married guy, businessman, likes to gamble on the weekends. So whatever goes to Vegas, goes to. God damn. What's the other one? It's in Missouri, I think. He likes to go to those two casinos and that's his thing. And it's usually a couple hundred grand.

[Christos Gagnon]

But he's like a. He's a business guy, pro that's there to gamble. He likes gambling, he likes putting money down, winning money.

[Tony Hernandez]

You asked me about the big wheels. Like one of the biggest that I could think of is him. His gambling. I've seen, I've interviewed on my channel, Vegas Policy. You ever heard of him? He's from New York. He's a big content creator out there in Vegas. He's very into the numbers game. So he's. He goes over all the financials of the casinos. He's one of Internet personality, I guess you could say. And he gambles with guys. He's got like a gambling problem, but he calls it a condition. He says he has to gamble for medical reasons.

[Christos Gagnon]

That's funny.

[Tony Hernandez]

He actually goes through the whole fucking breakdown of. He really is serious about it. But whatever. He likes to gamble and he gambles with guys like John Cersani. I mean those guys are betting 50 grand a hand. Like that kind of stuff. You see it, but. But you know, to actually be in there with it. I mean, I've never bet that much myself.

[Christos Gagnon]

Crazy.

[Tony Hernandez]

I've been around the high rollers, but it doesn't look like real money to you, like, you know what I mean? Like, you think in your head these guys have betting 100 grand. That's a down payment for a house right now. You know what I mean? Something like that. These guys are putting it on every fucking. I've seen Dana White. I didn't see him gambling crazy. But I've seen him in the. He likes to hang out at the Red Rock Poker Room. That was his thing. A lot of my clients went to the Red Rock. That was a nice place.

[Christos Gagnon]

Interesting.

[Tony Hernandez]

And you'll find high limits guys there. Big high limits guys.

[Christos Gagnon]

But you haven't just driven around high limit guys, high rollers, whales. You've also had athletes, musicians, the whole deal without saying names. What are the conversations you're hearing well.

[Tony Hernandez]

Like I said, I don't want to really mention any names. I'm going to show you on my phone pretty much the who's who. I've driven everybody at one point or another. I think like you name them, they've probably been in my car. As far as athletes and stars and stuff like that, recently we've seen the gambling bust, the NBA, the mob, all involved with the gambling and stuff like that. I can see how that happens a lot in Vegas. Especially like the corruption of the gambling like 100% thousand percent. I can see me not even being involved myself. Me not even being involved myself, myself. I was able to actually place a bet. I had some inside information, whatever, where I won. I'll tell you how it's. Anybody could do it really. I guess I don't know if it's illegal, whatever. But I had an advantage. There was a well known boxer who got in my car. He was drunk as smelled like weed. I was talking to him a little bit, whatever. He's a little standoffish. He got in with another guy and a girl. He at one point accused me of flirting with his girl. Whatever, stupid it was. So he was drunk the other day, was like, don't pay attention to him. I was like, yeah, whatever. In my head. I never heard of the other opponent. I heard of this guy. I never heard of his opponent that he was gonna fight. I went straight to the casino after I dropped him off and bet on the other guy. I knew that there was no way. This motherfucker was outta shame. Drunk, high. I was like, he ain't gonna lose. And he got his ass whipped and he winded up losing. So I came up on a nice bag.

[Christos Gagnon]

How far was he from the fight when you picked him up?

[Tony Hernandez]

About like out like three weeks.

[Christos Gagnon]

Wow.

[Tony Hernandez]

Three weeks and drinking and smoking or whatever. It was almost a guaranteed fucking win.

[Christos Gagnon]

Wow.

[Tony Hernandez]

So if me as a driver, executive protection, whatever you want to call it, just keeping quiet, whatever, just listening. What do you think about the guys that actually have some money? Like, hey, you want to make some money? Very easy, very easy.

[Christos Gagnon]

And then you probably, you could have told some people. You could have told people, you know.

[Tony Hernandez]

I could have told a lot of people.

[Christos Gagnon]

NBA one is fascinating because you have like these prop bets, right? Where you basically say like oh, X player will get four rebounds this game, right? And you have the guy go in and he's like yo, my hamstring kind of hurts. It's, it's not terrible, but it's, it's it's sore, goes in the first quarter, gets three rebounds, hey, I'm out. And then all of a sudden, you know, the bag comes in. Crazy. But what's interesting with these gambling sites is that because it's regulated, they're able to see if there's irregular activity that's happening. So they can see, oh, there's, you know, 2 mil coming in on this guy getting three rebounds or, you know, under four rebounds. And he's kind of like a, you know, six man side player kind of guy, they flag it to the league. And so a lot of these people that think, like, oh man, I'm just going to come upon something crazy, if it's a regular, they can tell. And then now they know. And so to me, I'm like, I wonder if that's almost better. Like, I wonder if that's an argument for regulated gambling.

[Tony Hernandez]

The problem is with regulated gambling. And I, I spoke about this recently, I don't know whose podcast I was on, and they were asking me about it. And, and the thing is, when you gamble with the casino, like let's say Caesars, I don't know, Fanduel and those kind of online things, Rain Bet and all that, that's newer shit. But like the traditional casinos like MGM and Caesars, if they don't want to pay you, they don't fucking pay you. That's it. You can walk in there. There's several instances where guys walk in with half a million dollar ticket, $100,000 ticket, they just deny you and say no. Whatever reason. There's a little caveat on the bottom of the ticket that says, we don't have to pay you if we don't want to. And then they don't. That to me says, I would rather go gamble with somebody who's guaranteed to pay me. And usually that's a member of organized crime and that's not regulated, but you're almost guaranteed to get your money.

[Christos Gagnon]

They're more likely to pay you if it's organized crime, of course. Why?

[Tony Hernandez]

If you gamble with the mob. Now see, this is a touchy situation. Now because of what just came out. The mob usually runs clean games. They usually run a game where they know the people are going to come, they're going be to bet. You bet, you lose, you pay, you win, you win. That's it. You go to the casino, you put a bet. Now you don't gonna get paid out. You're like, yo, what the fuck? I'd rather go bet with organized crime. They're giving me Better odds. And I know that they're gonna pay me. Usually that's the way it works. You know, they're not gonna. If they start snubbing players, nobody's gonna go play at their games now. I think they're under a firestorm now because of what just recently came out, that these mob games actually winded up being fixed. That's the whole NBA scandal. That's how this whole thing came out. One of those players, or one of those customers or player, whatever you want, a basketball player or just a gambling player got sour about losing or whatever, or whatever was happening to him and said, the games are fixed, something's going on. That's how the feds got involved.

[Christos Gagnon]

You think so or you know so?

[Tony Hernandez]

Half and half. I don't want to say concrete. I know, but that's usually how it goes. Nobody's going to really. At a friendly card game, you know, you're not going to. Unless you feel like you got fleeced. Like, yo, did I just really get robbed here? And who robbed me? Possibly members of organized crime. Who are you going to run to? You run to the FBI.

[Christos Gagnon]

Now people are trying to implicate, like, big players in the NBA, which I don't know how much you can do that. Like, I don't know how you can prove it.

[Mark Yagnon]

Right?

[Christos Gagnon]

So like for you, for example, you're in the car with a boxer. Is that insider trading? Kind of. Not really, though, because I'd say so.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah, it's inside information, but.

[Christos Gagnon]

It's inside. But like, you didn't ask for it. It was not given to you for any type of, like, back end thing.

[Tony Hernandez]

I just got lucky.

[Christos Gagnon]

You saw this person in the same way that thousands of other people probably saw him that night. Right? There was a guy at the club next to him being like, oh, wow, very true.

[Tony Hernandez]

So it's like, think about that. Very true.

[Christos Gagnon]

So it's like, what, how does that, like, how can you prove, like, did this guy do something wrong? Is I guess, is really the question.

[Tony Hernandez]

Right.

[Christos Gagnon]

And did you do something wrong just by seeing this? Because let's say you saw it on Instagram, like, that's. Is that. You know what I mean? Like, so I don't know how you prove that or like how you federally prosecute it or if that's just what it is now, now, you know what I mean?

[Tony Hernandez]

It's going to be interesting to see where this winds up because there is a lot of high players, high profile players involved. There's a coach, you know, like this kind of, you know, Premiers, the integrity of the league, you know, who the fuck is going to want to bet or watch? Everything is fixed. In my head I already thought that, you know, I have that in my head already, that it's all fixed, all this bullshit. So, I mean, nowadays if you take away the integrity of the game, if you take away integrity of the sport, I mean, what's left?

[Mark Yagnon]

What's up, people? We're gonna take a break really quick.

[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Christos Gagnon]

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[Mark Yagnon]

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[Tony Hernandez]

It's so hard though. Like, I just read something about James Harden, that he had one of those parlays and was like 40 points throughout the whole game or something like that. And it was like an over under, and then he scored like 40 in the first half and then he scored nothing in the second half. I mean, come on, man. Like you, it. Sometimes it's on front street, like you can't not see that it's not fixed.

[Christos Gagnon]

You know what I mean?

[Tony Hernandez]

Like, how can you explain that?

[Christos Gagnon]

I wonder even like with like AI, if they're going to be able to flag things even quicker where they're like, this player throughout his entire career in the first half of the game will do this amount of rebounds or this amount of points with this deviation. And then for the last three games, it's been out of whack. And then on top of that, these last three games, there's been crazy money put on these prop bets. And I wonder if that's how they're going to start imaging it and then flagging it. And then I, if you're the league, any of these players that do it, no matter who, they got to get clipped.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yo, that's. That's going to be a tough one. That's because then it comes into politics. So, for example, like, let's say you're a LeBron James James, and now I'm LeBron James's cousin and I go and I put a bet and LeBron does what he's supposed to do. What are you gonna do? Spend the most highest paid player in the, in the game. It's all about this. It's all about the money, bro. They know that gambling goes on. This is not something new. Pete Rose, you know, back in the. Was it the 80s, I believe, right? From hall of fame for betting, for placing a bet. And now everyone is placing bet bets.

[Christos Gagnon]

I mean, people speculate about Jordan, which, again, I don't know, but people say, like, notorious gambler.

[Tony Hernandez]

Everybody says there's no denying that he's a gambler. People would say, you know, he was like John Gotti. Like, these guys would bet on cockroaches rolling up the roll.

[Christos Gagnon]

Who would.

[Tony Hernandez]

Who would get there first? You know, I mean, it's just. It is what it is. Gambler is gambler. My father's a gambler, so I understand the mentality. You asked me before if I was a gambler. I like to gamble, but I'm not a gambler.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah, I think. I'm not even that, bro. I went to a little $5 blackjack to table. I had 50 bucks, and every hand, I was just like, oh, my goodness. Like, I just could. Like, it was.

[Mark Yagnon]

I can't deal with it.

[Christos Gagnon]

I hate it.

[Tony Hernandez]

You don't like it?

[Christos Gagnon]

Not at all. Like, my buddy Peter has such a funny joke. Peter Ravell, he's this brilliant comic in the city, but he's like, I don't understand gambling because it's like, you pay. Like, you get a rush when you win, and then you pay money and you don't always win. It's like. He's like, I understand alcoholism. He's like, I used to be a drinker. You know what I mean? I couldn't imagine going to a bar, bar ordering a beer, and then 50 of the time, they give me an empty beer glass, and they're like, sorry, buddy. Next time you'd be like, I'm done with this.

[Tony Hernandez]

Right?

[Christos Gagnon]

That's how I feel about gambling. I'm like, I. I just don't get the rush. Every other addiction makes sense, but gambling, I just don't.

[Tony Hernandez]

It's. It's the action, you know, It's. It's the adrenaline rush. Just like anything else. It's just what causes it. You know what I can see with my father, when I was younger, he used to play the numbers a lot. Sometimes he used to not even fucking check the numbers. He used to just the ticket and leave it there. He'd be like, yo, you didn't even check. He's like, I know I didn't win. Like, it's a sickness that sometimes, you know, it's a sickness. I bought.

[Christos Gagnon]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Tony Hernandez]

I don't think, like, I don't think that these young guys have that. I don't think that they're gambling addicts yet. I think they see it like as a flip, as a come up, you know, and then eventually, like everything else, you start to get into it and then you get addicted to it. I think that's what happens. Because like you said, who would go to a bar and pay for a fucking half empty glass of beer or whatever? You, you know, who would go. Why would you go and gamble if you don't feel whatever, like you're gonna win something?

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hernandez]

You already feel like you're gonna win. Even if you don't win, you feel like you're gonna win.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hernandez]

So it's kind of like that's what you're going after. You feel like you're gonna win. You're not going after the win. You're going after that feeling like you're gonna win. That's the gambling.

[Christos Gagnon]

How crooked do you think the casinos are? You think they, they fix any games?

[Tony Hernandez]

All of them? I think, I think all of them are 100% crooked. I don't think that there is a legitimate game in the casino, you know.

[Christos Gagnon]

You know how like they have like the cards stacked a certain way, if you've ever seen.

[Tony Hernandez]

Well, first off, whatever, when. So I've been, I've gone to casinos and gamble for a long time. And this is what came up in the NBA scandal as well. Those shuffle machines. The shuffle machines were rigged in order to give certain players certain cards. Now when they started coming around before blackjack, they used to have the shoe. You know, you put that thing and they asked you to cut and, you know, the thing goes down. It had like a little chain attached to it. Now everything is. They press a button and it's automatic shuffle machine. Yeah, when that came around, I already knew. I was like, yo, this is just like a computer. Like, how do you know there's six decks in there? How do you know there's not 10? How do you know there's NOT 12? How do you know there's Not 2? You don't know how many decks are in there. They could say, oh, there's, there's six decks, but then sometimes you'll see eight aces out, you know, like you don't know. You really have no idea. It's a computer. And how do you know that that computer is not shuffling the cards in a certain way to make the dealer always win or to make you double down or to make you do this? Like it's a computer at the end of the day. They're just now releasing AI technology. Technology that shit's been around for years. And the casino industry, their secrets, you'll never find out about them. They're very tight knit.

[Christos Gagnon]

Well, the NBA one that was interesting with the card games, which is kind of separate from the betting of the games. It's kind of two separate things that are happening. But the glasses, you saw that the ray banned once.

[Tony Hernandez]

Did you?

[Christos Gagnon]

No.

[Tony Hernandez]

Did you see this?

[Christos Gagnon]

Pull up the NBA card game glasses. This is fascinating. So the story is that there'd be like these sort of like, you know, in house, private poker games, high hands, that kind of thing. And they would bring in NBA players to be kind of like the judge, you know what I mean? They give them like a credit line. They give them some money just to show up and play. And they would put on these glasses that show them the cards. Based off the back, the cards are all marked with like invisible ink. And when they put the glasses on, they can see what the cards are that everyone's holding. And so all of a sudden you're playing with this random NBA player here. Let that roll for a sec. So they hold it up. Oh, come on, bro. But basically they're able to see. So you can see there's a five.

[Tony Hernandez]

You can see there's a watermark.

[Mark Yagnon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

And so when you have the glass on, you can see. So all of a sudden you're sitting down with insert famous NBA player. You're like, man, I'm at a table, I'm playing with this guy, da da da. He's putting in huge, you know, blinds. Like, right, let's play. And all of a sudden he starts winning hands. And then that's how these illegal poker games were, like getting these guys in. They're like, hey, you're gonna come play. We're not gonna give you any money up front, but if you know how to play cards a little bit, put on these glasses, you'll be good. Whatever you make, you can keep.

[Tony Hernandez]

No shit.

[Christos Gagnon]

And they would bring these guys in as like, you know, fishes to make everyone else, you know, come in also and give their money away. Crazy.

[Tony Hernandez]

That's a good bait and switch kind of tactic right there. You know, you think that he's. All of a sudden he's playing on the house's team. And so the house has got the advantage, everyone's happy.

[Mark Yagnon]

Crazy, right?

[Tony Hernandez]

That is organized crime at the end of the day, it's a way to. That's what a Racket is guaranteed income. You know what I mean? The city took over a lot of the mob's rackets, but gambling is still definitely one of their rackets for sure.

[Christos Gagnon]

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[Tony Hernandez]

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[Tony Hernandez]

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[Tony Hernandez]

The rich are always untouchable. The rich are always untouchable. And that's, that's just how it is. Having driven around some really exclusive clients in some of these neighborhoods, I mean, some of these gated communities and behavior. Vegas cost 300,000 a year. HOA. 300 grand just for the HOA.

[Christos Gagnon]

Wow.

[Tony Hernandez]

Obviously they have magnificent golf courses and everything else, and the houses look like fucking hotels. But that kind of level of power, I think you're kind of immune to a lot of shit. Like you don't really. There's certain crimes or there's certain things that totally get looked over once you have that kind of money. And I think that resonates to rich people everywhere. But you see it a lot more in Vegas. Like the police concentrate on Vegas. Summerlin, Henderson, where most of the rich people live, private security, things like that, nobody's really getting policed. So in those areas, like we were saying, as far as like human trafficking and stuff, it's a lot more quiet than the Strip, so you can have someone like myself who shuttles six younger girls up to a mansion in the hills for a party. A lot of the times these parties have reputations for sex parties and elite sex parties of the elite. People like that. And that's as far as I'll go with it. But whoa. Yeah, that kind of freak offs, like the Diddy, like that. That kind of stuff, I guess you could say, like all these high elite people that you would never imagine that would go to these kind of parties. I've chauffeured them there back and forth, and you kind of know what's going on. It's not like I said, you know, it's almost Eyes Wide Shut kind of shit. It's like all these rich people and nobody's there to police them. Who's going to police them? They are the fucking police. They are the elite.

[Christos Gagnon]

It's really like that. So you pick up someone at some nice hotel and they go, take me to this place. It's four or five people in the car. You recognize two of them off rip because you're like, I've seen these people. They're famous business and we're going to some house.

[Tony Hernandez]

Or I recognize someone that I've picked up that I know is a known prostitute or a worker going to this place.

[Christos Gagnon]

And then they're pulling up and there's 10 black cars outside dropping people off, all going in, you know, 11 o', clock, 12 o' clock at night.

[Tony Hernandez]

Famous podcasters.

[Christos Gagnon]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on. I was not there, but I had nothing to do with it.

[Mark Yagnon]

Oh, thank.

[Tony Hernandez]

You. Thank goodness, you know what I mean? Like, people like that, like very people who are recognizable in public go to these parties and sometimes there's no phones allowed, you know, sometimes, like I said, I bodyguarded for some of these people, so, you know, I'd have to be on point. And I saw certain things that were just like, you know, the rich get away with what they want, you know, there's nobody to police them. So there's certain crimes that might happen on the strip, like you said, the prostitution, the drugging, the underage, this, that, and the third. Third when it goes on behind closed doors. Nobody who's gonna report it. And even if you do, who's gonna listen?

[Christos Gagnon]

Well, Tony Hernandez, you're a legend, brother. I appreciate you always coming through. And until next time telling us the stories, bro. It's just great.

[Tony Hernandez]

This was great.

[Christos Gagnon]

You've honestly, I think, opened up my eyes and a lot of people's eyes to.

[Tony Hernandez]

Yeah.

[Christos Gagnon]

How some of the stuff happens out there, I think people look at. At least I did, where it's like, yeah, you know, there's crime, but, you know, everyone's getting their little thing. It's kind of, you know, know it's kind of regulated, sort of. There's a darker side that I don't.

[Tony Hernandez]

Know if people always realize, go, yeah, man, that. That petty girl who you might think is on the corner, she's not there because she wants to be. She's there because she might have to be.

[Christos Gagnon]

Yeah. Well, Tony, until next time, brother.

[Mark Yagnon]

Thank you so much.

[Tony Hernandez]

I appreciate it, brother.

[Christos Gagnon]

Appreciate it. Remind me your channels.

[Tony Hernandez]

Corruption connection. Yes. Everybody go check it out. I'm on YouTube. TikTok. This November, we're in November right now is the. I believe it's the 30th year anniversary for the movie Money Train. It's a movie came back. It came out in 1995 about two plainclothes anti crime transit cops. A lot of things they did, I did in my career. So I'll be doing a recap on that. So check it out on my channel Fire.

[Christos Gagnon]

And also check out the other episodes Tony and I have done. We dive into your family history with the French Connection and organized crime and then obviously your time as a transit cop and what you've seen there and how people can stay safe on the trains. Thank you so much, brother.

[Tony Hernandez]

Thank you, man.

[Christos Gagnon]

Let's do it again.

[Tony Hernandez]

Appreciate it.