Knights Templar’s Secret History And Search For Atlantis

Summary

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Camp Gagnon Podcast Summary

Episode: Knights Templar’s Secret History And Search For Atlantis

Host: Mark Gagnon
Guest: Tim Hogan, 33rd Grand Master of the Knights Templar
Date: August 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this epic, wide-ranging conversation, Mark Gagnon is joined by Tim Hogan, the 33rd Grand Master of the Knights Templar. Together, they dive into the shadowy history of the Templars, exploring their mysterious origins, legendary treasures, secret traditions, and alleged contacts with advanced ancient civilizations—including the supposed remnants of Atlantis. Tim shares both mainstream scholarship and esoteric interpretations, blending history, Gnostic theology, alchemy, and speculative archaeology. The episode ties the Templars’ quest for lost technology to the legacy of the Ark of the Covenant, the construction of global ancient monuments, and initiation ceremonies meant to awaken higher consciousness.

If you’re fascinated by secret societies, esoteric traditions, the hidden past of humanity, and connections between civilizations, this episode is rich with unexpected theories and memorable moments.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Origins and Mission of the Knights Templar

Timestamps: 02:21 — 11:19

• The Templars originated not as pure Catholic warriors, but as an alliance of Gnostic French families, inheriting traditions from the Cathars (or Albigensians), who believed in individual spiritual gnosis and reincarnation.
• The Templars’ original symbol, the red equal-armed cross, was inherited from the Cathars.
• Tim claims Templar origins predate the traditional 1118 foundation, suggesting the Order was established around 1096 in Constantinople through initiations by Eastern “Brothers” passing on secretly preserved Gnostic knowledge (03:35–05:00).
• “The Templars...were looking for lost documents, lost technology...artifacts that they knew were down there.” (Tim Hogan, 04:23)

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2. The Templars’ Dual Role: Official Cover and Secret Agenda

Timestamps: 07:23 — 11:19

• The “cover story” for their existence was to protect Christian pilgrims journeying to Jerusalem—while in reality, their primary activities in the early years were clandestine digs under the Temple Mount, searching for ancient treasures and artifacts.
• The Order established the earliest European banking systems, enabling secure movement of wealth and building substantial independent power, funding their own expansion and the construction of Gothic cathedrals.

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3. Esoteric Beliefs and Religious Pluralism

Timestamps: 11:19 — 16:50

• The Templars, per Tim’s account, protected the rights of Jews and Muslims as well as Christians in the Holy Land, motivated by their Gnostic outlook that saw divine enlightenment as accessible to all.
• Saladin, famed Muslim commander, was even initiated into the Order at one point (12:57).
• Early Templar influences included Gnosticism, Druidism (via St. Bernard of Clairvaux), Kabbalistic Judaism (via Rashi of Troyes), and Johanite Christian traditions out of Constantinople—creating a unique fusion of esoteric philosophies.

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4. The Downfall of the Templars and Survival Underground

Timestamps: 17:35 — 41:14

• The Templar Order became wealthy and independent, incurring the jealousy of King Philip IV of France and Pope Clement V.
• When the king and pope plotted to erase the Order on charges of heresy (including worship of “Baphomet”), most Templars escaped with their treasures by ship from La Rochelle the night before the mass arrests of October 13, 1307—a date that gave rise to the superstition of Friday the 13th.
• “The ships disappeared to history. People have always wondered what happened to them.” (Tim Hogan, 21:00)
• While Jacques de Molay and some members were executed, the Order survived by going underground in Portugal, Scotland, and elsewhere, rebranding as the Knights of Christ and influencing modern concepts of individual rights.

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5. Templar Voyages to America and Pre-Columbian Contact

Timestamps: 40:00 — 47:37

• Hogan describes evidence that the Templars mapped North America as early as 1200–1300, engaging with native cultures (notably the Mi’kmaq tribe in Nova Scotia and the Mayans).
• Artifacts such as the Kensington Runestone (Minnesota, dated c. 1360), the Baffin Island figurine (a Native-carved Templar in chainmail with red cross), and the Mi’kmaq flag (identical to the Templar battle flag) are presented as tangible connections (41:15–44:23).
• “The Mi’kmaq say that goes all the way back to that same time period.” (Tim Hogan, 44:37)
• The Templars purportedly came to the Americas in pursuit of the lost knowledge of Atlantis, following Egyptian traditions referencing interactions with the Mayans (Valley of the Queens has a tomb for Queen Maya with Mayan art).

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6. Connection to Atlantis, Ancient Technology, and the Ark of the Covenant

Timestamps: 47:37 — 61:52

• The Templars had a mission to recover technology from a pre-diluvian civilization—Atlantis/Utlan/Atzlant.
• Both the Egyptians and Mayans possessed myths of an original homeland sinking beneath the sea; Templars aimed to locate survivors and their ancient science.
• A key focus was the “Ark,” of which the Ark of the Covenant was one example—a type of electrostatic capacitor built of acacia and gold, capable of building up and discharging large amounts of electricity (as referenced by Tim Hogan, 16:54–17:35).
• “According to our records, there were six arks that were found...primarily in areas between Egypt and Lebanon...That was believed to be an ancient Atlantean technology.” (Tim Hogan, 16:54)

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7. The Secret of Manna: Alchemy, Monoatomic Gold, and Spiritual Transformation

Timestamps: 58:32 — 67:09

• The mystical “manna” preserved in the Ark was an alchemically transmuted monoatomic powder of gold ("the bread from heaven"), which supposedly healed the body and expanded consciousness.
• Detailed processes of making “manna”—from acacia, gold, and sacred chemistry—are shared, relating it to both Egyptian temple rituals and Moses’ miracles (e.g., burning the golden calf to powder and making the Israelites eat it).
• “That’s why it was manna from heaven. What is it from heaven? It’s this new substance that’s come back from the higher dimensional state from heaven.” (Tim Hogan, 64:14)
• Ingesting this substance was linked to the practice of initiation, knowledge of alchemy, and the symbolic resurrection myths of Jesus and Osiris.

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8. Ancient Initiation Rites and Universal Myths

Timestamps: 49:18 — 56:01

• Templar and Mayan initiation ceremonies involved symbolic death and resurrection, drawing on Egyptian Osiris-Lazarus traditions. The underlying message across these myths was spiritual awakening, not literal physical death.
• “All the way back to ancient Egypt...the story of Lazarus was such an initiation ceremony.” (Tim Hogan, 49:19)

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9. Pyramids, Global Monuments, and Energy Technology

Timestamps: 77:05 — 97:59

• Claims that pyramid structures (Giza, Teotihuacan, Xian) were aligned globally, referencing Orion’s Belt, and were originally designed as electrical devices or spiritual Stargates powered by the Ark/manna technology.
• Many ancient temples included conductive features (piezoelectric granite, “butterfly clamps”) to distribute static and recharge arks; Templar graffiti is said to be present in several Egyptian temples.
• The so-called “sarcophagus” in the King’s Chamber of the Great Pyramid matches the Ark’s external dimensions—placing an ark containing manna inside would, Hogan claims, create a powerful electric charge (77:11–80:15).

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10. The Spiritual Science of the Ancients: Chakra System, Kundalini, and Alchemical Symbolism

Timestamps: 104:25 — 108:55

• Egyptian temple geography was mapped onto the human chakra system. Moses’ staff and initiation with the serpent reflected knowledge of Kundalini and spiritual transformation, woven into later biblical and Christian symbolism.
• “If thine eye be single, thy whole body will be filled with light”—interpreted by Hogan as a reference to raising spiritual energy and attaining gnosis, the fundamental aim of all the Templar and ancient initiatory traditions.

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11. Templar Alchemy, Hermetic Tradition, and Transmission of Knowledge

Timestamps: 121:11 — 140:39

• The Templars preserved the secret of monoatomic gold production, inherited from Druze, Sabeans, and Hermetic groups connected to Egypt and Sumer.
• The Holy Grail, Emerald Tablet of Hermes, and the “Tablet of Testimony” all reference the same secret wisdom—how to achieve spiritual and physical transformation through alchemical processes.
• Monoatomic gold, or “manna,” was ingested for health and enlightenment; Tim claims to produce and use it himself (“I consume it all the time” — 128:30).
• The connections extend to Manichaeanism, Daoism, Gnostic Christianity, and perhaps even hints that “Lucifer” and “Jesus” as “bringers of light” are essentially the same archetype (131:06–131:08).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Hogan:

  • “The Templars were looking for lost documents, lost technology, and also to try to preserve things that they knew, artifacts that...the Brothers of the East had been preserving.” (04:23)
  • “For the first nine years, that’s all there was, was nine people.” [on the original Templar membership] (09:16)
  • “According to our records, there were six arks that were found...primarily between Egypt and Lebanon. That was believed to be an ancient Atlantean technology.” (16:54)
  • “So when the arrest orders came about on Friday, October 13, 1307...the King of France wasn’t able to get anything. Everything had been moved...on those ships. The ships disappeared to history.” (21:00)
  • “Even Salahdin…had been initiated into the Templar order.” (12:57)
  • “These arks were static capacitors…they would build up static from their environment over a period of days…if you put that superconductive substance in a capacitor, it produces tremendous electricity.” (58:32–64:30)
  • “Monoatomic gold…heals the body and produces a tremendous amount of electricity when put in the static capacitor.” (64:30)
  • “We know how to make it. I make it. In fact, I have a company called Templar Made, where we make this substance available to the public.” (121:11)
  • “The Grail was originally an emerald that was in the crown of Lucifer…and that this emerald was the Holy Grail.” (131:08)

• Mark Gagnon (host):

  • “You see the cross there on the chest?” (47:47, on the Baffin Island figurine)
  • “So strange.” (45:21, on Templar and Mi’kmaq symbols)
  • “What would you say the Templars believed about the crucifixion? They believe that Jesus never died.” (29:01)
  • “Now, have modern scientists not tried to rebuild this ark?” (117:36)
  • “And you’ve consumed it before?” (128:28)

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Important Timestamps

• Origins & Early Mission: 02:21–11:19
• Templar Banking and Wealth: 09:13–11:19
• Esoteric Beliefs and Multifaith Protection: 11:19–16:50
• Downfall, Survival & Escape: 17:35–41:14
• Evidence of Pre-Columbian Americas Contact: 41:15–47:00
• Templar Search for Atlantis: 47:37–61:52
• Alchemical Manna & Ark Technology: 58:32–67:09
• Initiation Rituals & Symbolic Resurrection: 49:18–56:01
• Pyramids & Ancient Technology: 77:05–91:20
• Hermetic, Gnostic, Alchemical Tradition: 121:11–140:39

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a tapestry of mainstream and highly alternative historical theories, blending scholarship with Templar oral tradition and esoteric thought. It reimagines the Templars not just as enigmatic crusader knights, but as inheritors of antediluvian science and secret wisdom traditions. The show concludes with a tantalizing hint—according to Hogan, the search for the Arks continues today and a long-hidden Templar vault in the United States may soon be opened.

For listeners enthralled by mysticism, hidden history, and bold speculation, this episode is a feast of ideas—leaving open the possibility that beneath commonly accepted history lie secrets waiting to be discovered.

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Listen for Part 2:

Tim Hogan promises to reveal even more about the fate of the lost Arks, the true contents of secret Templar vaults in America, and what may soon come to light.

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Transcript

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[Mark Gagnon]

For centuries, the Knights Templar have existed between history and legend. These so called warrior monks, accused of heresy, guardians of forbidden knowledge, and custodians of a treasure that vanished without a trace. But according to Tim Hogan, the true Templar mission began long before the history books suggest it was a search for the remnants of a forgotten civilization and the sacred technology it left behind. From secret excavations beneath the Temple Mount to evidence of voyages across the Atlantic. From the mysteries of the ancient Egyptian pyramids to Atlantis, alchemy and the Ark of the Covenant, this episode literally has it all. This is the story of a hidden tradition, a secret society, one that claims humanity's past is far older, far stranger and far more advanced than we have been told. So if you were interested in secret societies, the Knights Templar and history that may have been erased, well, this is the episode for you. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. Tim Hogan, how are you?

[Tim Hogan]

Great, thanks for having me.

[Mark Gagnon]

Mark, thank you so much for joining me in the tent. I am so excited to chat with you. Your area of expertise, the books you've authored, the podcast episodes you've done all tap on the things that I love to talk about.

[Tim Hogan]

Well, I love to talk about them too. So we should have a good conversation.

[Mark Gagnon]

It's going to be awesome. I mean, I imagine today we're going to jump through, you know, Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, secret societies, Theosophy, ancient technology, Nikola Tesla, the pyramids, Stonehenge, maybe.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, we could hit on it all.

[Mark Gagnon]

Everything under the sun. I'm so excited. I am always just titillated by secret teachings and lost information. And you are a plethora of that type of.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, I'm the storehouse of it.

[Mark Gagnon]

So can you just tell us what is the Knights Templar and what is your association with them?

[Tim Hogan]

Sure. So I'm the 33rd Grand Master since Jack de Millay of the Knights Templar. And we'll talk about Jack who Jack de Molay was in a minute. But basically the Templars, they were an organization that was secretly started as early as 1096 when some French families got Together they had all come from largely Gnostic backgrounds. Many of them came out of the Albigensian tradition out of southern France, also known as the Cathars. The Cathars were a Gnostic group who had a different form of Christianity, shall we say, than traditional Christianity, in which they believed that anybody, through their own efforts, could attain a gnosis or divine knowledge, a revelatory knowledge. And you didn't need a priest to do it. And that's what Jesus really came here to do, was to help people attain this enlightenment, this enlightened state. And it was believed that you had to attain this enlightened state before you died, otherwise you would reincarnate and have to keep going until you got it. Anyhow, this was kind of the background. So these Gnostic families, out of these Gnostic families, by the way, they also referred to themselves as the Poor of Christ. And this is part of the reason why the Templars later referred to themselves as the Poor Knights of Christ. And they adopted the same red equal armed cross from the Cathars.

[Mark Gagnon]

The one that you have on your jacket here, correct?

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. I mean, it was slightly different version, but it was equal armed and it was a red cross. Now, standard historians will say the Templar Order didn't start until 11:18. And this is because what happened was as the Templars formed officially, they formed in Constantinople in 1096. Hugh de Paynes and Godfrey de Saint Omar went down into Constantinople. They were initiated by an organization known as the Brothers of the east that were also passing on another Gnostic tradition that was known as the Yohanite or Johanite tradition. It was a tradition that viewed the Johns of the Bible as passing on secret information and that the leaders of this tradition assumed the name of John from John the Evangelist all the way up till 1096. There was a guy by the name of Michael Silos, who was a very famous scholar at the time, particularly within the Eastern Church. And he was passing on this secret information along with a guy by the name of Theoclete. And they initiated Hugh de Paynes and Godfrey to say no more, gave them a mission to start the Templar Order. The Templars, they went down into Jerusalem specifically because they were looking for lost documents, lost technology, and also to try to preserve things that they knew, artifacts that they knew were down there, that the Templars of the east or the Brothers of the east that had been preserving these traditions, they wanted to make sure they didn't. You had to keep in mind at the time, the Crusades had just started and there was A fear that as the Crusaders went down into Jerusalem, that they were going to either destroy unwittingly or capture certain artifacts and turn them over to the Roman Church. And nobody wanted that to happen. So that's part of the reason why the Templar Order was founded.

[Mark Gagnon]

Hey, real quick. Most people who watch this channel aren't subscribed. And when you subscribe, you help the channel grow and you stay in the loop with every new drop. Religion, camp, history, camp and camp Gagnon. Now, let's get back. Now, the mainstream story with the Templars is that they were kind of protecting pilgrims as they traveled from Europe to Jerusalem, right?

[Tim Hogan]

So this was the COVID story really. So as the Templars got into Jerusalem, by 1118, they were granted an area known as King Solomon's Stables that was under the Temple Mount or near the Temple Mount. It's right near the Temple Mount. And from there they set up a headquarters. The official story was that they were created to help protect pilgrims that were making their way to Jerusalem. At the time. It was dangerous to travel from Europe to Jerusalem and the odds of being robbed were pretty high. So the Templar Order would, would not only give people safe passage from Europe into the Holy Land on their boats and by land, but they also set up the first banking system where people could deposit their money in, let's say, a Templar commandery in Paris. And then when they arrived in the Holy Land, they could retrieve their money that they needed. And this way they didn't get robbed on the way. So this was the official cover. But what it did is it accomplished two things. On the one hand, it allowed a good cover for the Templar Order. And in fact, for the first time, eight years, the Templar Order didn't do much of any of that. I mean, they did a little bit of it, but what they were primarily doing was digging into the Temple Mount.

[Mark Gagnon]

Right. How many knights were there in the early stages?

[Tim Hogan]

Well, originally there were nine Templars. And for the first, really the first nine years, that's all there was, was nine people.

[Mark Gagnon]

I mean, nine guys trying to protect this super long route to Jerusalem.

[Tim Hogan]

Seems unrealistic. And any pilgrims that came to the Holy even that's ridiculous. Just nine people. But then after that, they were in fact moving people by setting up this banking system, which is, by the way, the same banking system we pretty much use today, but it was invented by the Templar Order. And of course, they would do this for a small fee, which is part of how the Templar Order started to make its money, but it also started to get money out of the hands of the monarchs and the church and keep it in the hands of the people at the time, which was a huge thing. It was a shift of power.

[Mark Gagnon]

By doing that, they got extraordinarily wealthy.

[Tim Hogan]

And, yeah, the Temple order got extraordinarily wealthy as a result. It. Which allowed them to build up their fleets of ships, to buy property for farming, to get their own food, and it allowed them to also fuel resources to start to build the Gothic cathedrals of France. Quite frankly, they were. They were the initial funders of that. It started out, they'd build their own commanderies at different places around Europe. And then from there, it spread out, they started building cathedrals.

[Mark Gagnon]

And as the story goes, this goes on for maybe a couple hundred years until the Pope eventually shuts them down on the grounds of heresy.

[Tim Hogan]

Right. So part of what happened too, during this time was the Templars, they protected pilgrims in the Holy Land, but they protected all pilgrims, which also included Jewish people. If they wanted to worship there, the Templars protected them. They protected Muslims, the Muslim right to worship. If there were pilgrims in the Holy Land that were Muslim that wanted to worship at a site, the Templars would protect their right to do it. They protected the sacred, regardless of its source. And part of this was again, because they had this secret Gnostic beginning in which they recognized the divinity within all people and all religions. They saw that every religion was probably started by someone who had a Gnostic experience or a divine revelation. And the Templars saw that as coming from God. So they would protect it. So they had no problem getting along with people of all faiths. They would get dragged into fighting sometimes when there were Muslim attacks, primarily. But even Salahdin, who was the head of the Islamic armies, he had been initiated into the Templar Order at one point in time. Oh, really? Yeah. You know, Saladin, like the great.

[Mark Gagnon]

Like Seljuk, Turkic commander.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, he had. There was a. In fact, there was a book from the Middle Ages known as the. It was called the History of the Crusades at the time. But it was, you know, clear. Written clear back in the 11. Well, it was about 1200. But it talks about Saladin's initiation to the Templar Order. So they had a falling out later. But they always had a respect for each other. And whenever the Templars got dragged into fighting, it was because they were kind of forced to, because one of the other things that happened was very early on, they received their rule or their guidance. It's like their book of conduct, their constitution from Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, who was a very famous. Personality within the Roman Church at the time. And with this there was also patronage from the Roman Church initially. So the Templars were also, through Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, they were somewhat connected to the Cistercian order, which was a Roman Catholic order. And so they would find documents and things that needed to be translated. Oftentimes those would go to the Cistercians in order to translate and make available to the Roman church. So now St Bernard of Clairvaux himself was secretly a practicing druid. And he also was friends with Rashi of Troyes, who was a very famous Jewish kabbalist. And so all these things had influence on the formation of the early Templar Order. And so the Templars had this Gnostic connection. They had a Druid connection through Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, they had a Jewish kabbalist tradition through Rashi of Troyes, and they had the Johanite connection in Constantinople, and they had an Eastern Orthodox connection through their time in Constantinople. And then they had this Roman Catholic patronage. So I mean, it was a real mix, fusion of ideas. But because there was this connection with the Roman Church very early on, there was kind of a deal that was set up early on that the Templars didn't have to answer to anybody but the Pope. So this gave them much freedom to not only meet with other cultures and explore ideas, but also look for secretly technology which they believe existed from a pre Diluvian civilization. And it also allowed them to find documents and early sacred scriptures and texts that weren't public at the time and weren't published by the Roman Church or the Eastern Orthodox Church for that matter.

[Mark Gagnon]

And I think this goes without saying, but do you believe that they found this type of technology?

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. Yes. They found, according to our records, there were six arks that were found, first of all, which were like the Ark of the Covenant. And they were found primarily in areas between Egypt and Lebanon. That was one of the main technologies that was found. And that was believed to be an ancient Atlantean technology. And we can talk about that some.

[Mark Gagnon]

I want to jump into that. But before we go there, I just want to know the dilution, I guess, of the Templars and ultimately what happens to them with Jacques de Molay.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, so by 1307, There's basically the King of France owed a bunch of money to the Templar Order. He had been borrowing money from the Templar Order and he owed the money. He knew they had a lot of money. He wanted to set himself up as the new war king. And in order to do that, he needed money and he was out of money. But he knew that the Templars had a bunch because he had borrowed a bunch of money from them previously. The Pope at the time, Pope Clement V, he wanted the Templar Order. He felt that the Temple order had become too independent. He wanted them to merge with the Knights hospitality at the time, which was a different crusading order. They were also known as the St. John the Hospitalia, as was their names. They've since they later changed their names to the Knights of Malta and they still exist technically on Malta actually as their headquarters.

[Mark Gagnon]

And why did he want them to merge? Were these Knights a little bit more, I guess, tied to the church?

[Tim Hogan]

100%. That's why? Yeah, he had more control over them. And if they merged, then he would assume the Templar buildings and would be able to put them under more control. Jacques de Molay, who was the Grand Master of the Templars at the time, he didn't want to have anything to do with that. He liked the independence the Templar Order had. And the Templar mission remained the same. They were still looking for artifacts. They knew the dangers of turning that over to the Church because it would just disappear. They had already turned certain things over to the Church and saw how it would just disappear and not be seen again. He was accustomed to the independence. I mean, one of the things that he had turned over to Jewish communities in Spain that the Templar Order had found were early fragments of what was to become known as the Zohar, which was a Kabbalistic text. So the Templar Order, this is according to traditional Jewish sources. The Templar Order had found these fragments in clay jars, much like the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Nagshamundi library. They had found remnants of the Zohar in these clay jars. And they, rather than keeping them for themselves, they turned it over to Jewish communities in Spain, which later translated. In fact, the first people who published the Zohar in Spain also published the book Parsifal by Wolfram von Eschenbach, which talks about the Templars being the guardian to the Holy Grail. And that was in the 1200s. By 1307, the Pope was already familiar with the idea that the Templar Order was finding things that they weren't turning over to the Roman Church. So he wanted more control. So Pope Clement V and. The King of France went into a conspiracy to suppress the templar order. By September 1307, they had issued arrest warrants throughout France, basically saying on October 13, the Templar order was to be rounded up and turned over to the King. Of France. And then there would be arrest orders all throughout Europe after that. Well, the Templar Order had spies. They knew what was going on. They had gotten a hold of this information ahead of time. And so by October 13, 1307, when the arrest was supposed to take place, the Templar Order had already known ahead of time that this was going to happen. Jacques de Molais had stayed behind along with a few thousand Templars in Paris, just to make it appear as business as usual. But most of the Templars had actually fled France by that point and had brought all the treasures as well as everything that was in their treasure house in the French commandery with them. They had load them on ships at La Rochelle, and the entire fleet of Templar ships had taken off the night before the arrests. So when the arrest orders came about on Friday, October 13, 1307, which was the origin of Friday the 13th being an unlucky day, the King of France wasn't able to get anything. Everything had been moved and removed the night before on those ships. And the ships disappeared to history. People want to know has always wondered what happened to them.

[Mark Gagnon]

I'm sure you have many theories as to what happened to them.

[Tim Hogan]

Yes, we'll get to that. Yeah, we can get to that. So anyhow, Jaques Millay was then rounded up along with these other Templars. They were imprisoned and tortured for seven years, made to confess all kinds of

[Mark Gagnon]

false confessions, like worshiping the severed head of Muhammad.

[Tim Hogan]

Well, they worshiped a severed head was what they were accused of. They were accused of worshiping something called the Baphomet. And then they as well as having initiation ceremonies where they spit on the cross and the crucifix and a bunch of other stuff.

[Mark Gagnon]

I've heard that the translation that was used was Mahomet and perhaps that that was the sort of creation of Baphomet.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, so there's a couple theories associated with that. One was that there was a cipher code called the Atbash Cipher, which involves the Hebrew language. It's basically you take the first half of the Hebrew language and then you take the second half of the Hebrew language and you put it underneath the first half and you can replace out the top letter for the bottom letter. And when you do that, Baphomet becomes Sophia. And Sophia was actually the goddess of wisdom within the Gnostic tradition. And she was also said to be

[Mark Gagnon]

the mother of Abraxas, the creator of the demiurge.

[Tim Hogan]

Correct. And Abraxas was said to be an archon under the Demiurge who had at first he was working at enslaving people and then he attained gnosis himself, or divine knowledge, after which he worked to try to liberate and keep people from being enslaved. Well, one of the Templar seals actually, which you can find on their old documents was the figure of Abraxas. So we know this is part of how we know they were secretly passing on this Gnostic tradition.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's interesting. I guess the mainstream story would say that the Church is perhaps trumping up these charges in order to take down the Templars and sort of making up these things such as these occult traditions and sort of heretical beliefs and spitting on the cross and things like that. And so my understanding kind of going off the mainstream is like, oh, this was more or less trumped up or fake. But then your perspective is. Because they are taking on this Gnostic tradition. Perhaps there was, from the Church's perspective, some heretical beliefs that were valid.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, to the Church it was heretical. And they may have exaggerated things a bit. Like, for example, the Templars in that Gnostic tradition, they wouldn't have venerated the Cross as a symbol because. From a Gnostic perspective, I mean, the cross was just a symbol for matter. And it was about. The whole crucifixion was symbolic. They didn't even believe it was real.

[Mark Gagnon]

But would they have desecrated the Cross? Would that have been in their.

[Tim Hogan]

They wouldn't necessarily desecrated it. I mean, one theory is if they had been captured by Islamic forces, they would have been forced to disavow the cross, which may have involved stomping on it or spitting on it. And so the Templars, in order to train people for being captured potentially by the enemy, may have made them do this. You know, understanding that, look, the Cross isn't really. We're not really worshiping the Cross anyways, you know, I mean, it's just a symbol. And we don't even believe that Jesus really died on the cross. It was a metaphor or an initiation rite, which was done in the ancient world and not unlike the initiation rites that the Templars themselves were doing.

[Mark Gagnon]

I see.

[Tim Hogan]

So when the Roman Church got a hold of that, they said, oh, look, they're denying Jesus. Which just wasn't the case. They just viewed Jesus as a great exemplar as opposed to it as just the Savior. You know what I mean?

[Mark Gagnon]

What would you say the Templars believed about the crucifixion? They believe that Jesus never died.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, well, they believe he died eventually, but they don't believe he died on the cross. In fact, the Greek word that's usually translated as resurrection is anastasis. And anastasis is the opposite of stasis. So stasis means to sleep. Anastasis means to wake up. And so the Templars interpreted that as he was waking up to gnosis, to divine knowledge, and that he didn't really die and then was raised like a zombie. They do believe that Jesus taught that we don't really die, that we either reincarnate or we continue to live on in the pleroma in a higher state. That. And that he came here to show that we don't really die. But they also believe that the symbolism of the crucifixion can be found pre Jesus. I mean, the whole idea of dying and waking up can be found in the Osirian myths, the old rites of Osiris in Egypt, they are found in Mithraic rites. They are found in. There were like 16 different messiahs prior to Jesus that had all died and had come back. And the Templars had been exposed to this. And they interpreted it all as a metaphor, for that matter. In Hebrew itself. The last letter of the Hebrew Alphabet. Hebrew has 22 letters. The last letter of the Hebrew Alphabet is the letter tav. And tav means cross. And it's composed of three of the Hebrew letter vow and vow means nail. So at the end of the Hebrew Alphabet, you literally have a cross and three nails. And that in Hebrew has been around and that symbolism has been around for long before Jesus was ever around. So these were things that pointed to and for that matter, vow. The Hebrew letter vow has a number value of six. So if Jesus was crucified with three nails or three vow, the Hebrew letter vow and vow has a number value of 6. He was crucified with 666, which in the ancient number canon was the number of transformation. It had nothing to do with the devil. That's why Solomon received 666 talents of gold a year in exchange for bread. In Hebrew. If you replaced every letter for its number value, let there be light in Hebrew adds up to 666. So again, these were metaphors. They alluded to things. Even Jesus name himself in Greek. Every letter corresponds to a number. In Greek, Jesus adds up to 888, which was the number of gnosis, of what was known as the Agawad, the eighth sphere above the seven chakra or the seven seals. So these were all metaphors. And the Templars had learned to read the Bible, the New Testament, in particular, according to these metaphors, like Greek gematria. Greek gematria. Yeah. And Hebrew gematria. That's what these. These numbers are. They allude to sacred geometry ideas, and they allude to. But more importantly, they allude to our own personal consciousness transformation.

[Mark Gagnon]

I see.

[Tim Hogan]

And so they interpret them that way. And so the crucifixion and awakening of Jesus to the Templars just had to do with his symbolic death to his old material self and his awakening to his true spiritual potential, or to gnosis. I see, yeah. And as such, the Templars also saw the Roman Church somewhat as a control mechanism, as a tool of what was known as the demiurge, which was a prison guard for this planet that kept people enslaved here until they had attained gnosis or until they had proven that they were no longer bound strictly by materialism.

[Mark Gagnon]

Right. So these charges get brought to the Knights Templar and ultimately they're sentenced to death.

[Tim Hogan]

Correct? Yeah. So Jaques de Molay then is sentenced to be burnt to death. Well, burnt at the stake, along with several other Templars. Now, to the Roman Church, at this point, this is the end of the Templar Order because they reason that they helped make the Templar Order. They had originally given the Templar Order its rule. They had provided funding for the Templar Order. The Templar Order was answering to the Pope for the most part. And so they reasoned that being a Roman Catholic order, this was the end of it. Now, the Templars, their rationale was, no, we existed before we received Roman Catholic mandate, and they continued to exist just underground at that point. So at this point, after Jacques de Millay was burnt at the stake, the official narrative by the Roman Church, which became the official narrative of the public, was that that was the end of the Templar Order. Now, the Templars, on the other hand, they went underground, and they continue to exist in a number of places. Certainly, they existed somewhat underground in Italy and in France, but they had boats that had left again, La Rochelle the night before the roundup in 1307. And they had gone to places like Portugal, where the Templars had already started to start a new Templar state. They helped found Portugal, which really got its name instead of Port of the Gauls. It really got its name from Port of the Grail. They had helped set up Portugal, so they had freedom there. The King of Portugal just had them change their name in order to comply with the Pope. So he could say that the Knights of Christ of the Temple of Solomon no longer existed. And now they were just known as the Knights of Christ.

[Mark Gagnon]

And the symbol of Portugal, to this day, is the Red Cross correct?

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, exactly. And part of the reason why Portugal owns the Azores, for example, is because the Azores was one of the places that the Templars believed Atlantis had been. So it's part of the reason why that got acquired by Portugal. Templars also fled up into Scotland. At the time Robert the Bruce was fighting England, he had already been excommunicated by the Roman Church. So he had no problem taking in other excommunicated Templars, especially because they were known for their fighting during their time in the Holy Land. So he was happy to take them in. They, according to tradition, they helped fight the Scottish War of Independence against the British. The story is that the Scots were fighting the English. They were at a key point in the battle. All of a sudden, over the hill came Templars. And the English immediately recognized them. They turned and fled. And this is what led to the Scots winning their independence. The Templars had always believed in trying to set up a free Templar state in which people had freedoms. The earliest document pointing to this was in Percival, actually Wolfram von Eschenbach's Percival, where it says, if any Templar becomes ruler of a foreign people, let him ensure that they are given their God given rights. This was the first time in history that anyone had ever heard of God given rights. I mean, prior to this, it was believed that your rights either came from the King or from the monarch. Or from the monarch or from the Pope. So this idea that people are born with God given rights was a Templar ideal that they strived for and they were trying to create within Europe. So the Scottish War of Independence. Independence was an expression of this. Prior to this, the Templars had been involved in helping to instate the Magna Carta.

[Mark Gagnon]

Right, William Marshall.

[Tim Hogan]

Right. With William Marshall in England, again, to give people rights outside of the King and outside of the Pope. And the Templars largely lived this way. Already having these rights, they wanted to bring it to the the people. The Templars had also been secretly traveling over to the New World of the Americas. At the time, they had been trading silver with the Mayans and with other tribes.

[Mark Gagnon]

And what year would this have been?

[Tim Hogan]

As early as 1200. In fact, by 1300, they had mapped all of North America and it traveled as far south as Panama.

[Mark Gagnon]

And how do we know this?

[Tim Hogan]

Well, there are Templar records pointing to it. There are Templar landmarks all throughout North America pointing to this. One of the landmarks is the Kensington Runestone that Scott Walter talks about, which was placed right in the center of North America as a land claim for The Templars.

[Mark Gagnon]

The Kensington Runestone.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, it's a runestone. It's a tablet that's written in runes that for a long time, people thought might be like a Viking artifact. Scott Walter went in and proved that it was actually a Templar artifact that was written in runes and it was coded in many ways. Yeah, that's it. And it was. For a long time, they thought it was a forgery. It's since been proved to be legit. But this was a land claim for North America by the Templars.

[Mark Gagnon]

And where was this found?

[Tim Hogan]

Minnesota.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, Kensington, Minnesota.

[Mark Gagnon]

And what is the official dating on this?

[Tim Hogan]

Well, it's from. Well, the official date now, thanks to Scott, is it was. It was made sometime around 1360. So it would be right after the Templars were suppressed, but while they were underground and they were still over here in the Americas doing work and meeting with the tribes. Tribes like the Mi' Kmaq tribe, by the way, which is in Nova Scotia. One of the hallmarks of the connection between the Templars and the Mi' Kmaq tribe is the Mi' Kmaq have a. A flag that they use, and the flag is actually identical to the old Templar battle flag.

[Mark Gagnon]

The Mi' Kmaq tribe flag.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. Mi' Kmaq tribe. Yeah. So that's one of the tribes that they were meeting with. There's also figurines. Like, there's a carved figure. It's called the Baffin island figurine, and it's a wooden figure that's from about 1200 that was carved by native tribes, but it's a figurine of a Knight Templar, even has a cross on the chest and is wearing a traditional chainmail coif. You can find it at the museum in Baffin island, for example.

[Mark Gagnon]

Baffin Island?

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Where is that?

[Tim Hogan]

And it dates. It's up in Nova Scotia region. There it is.

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Wow.

[Tim Hogan]

So there's a Templar that was carved by the native tribes in 1200? Yeah. 1200. That's what it's carbon dated to.

[Mark Gagnon]

You see the cross there on the chest?

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, exactly. Yep. He's wearing a traditional Templar tunic. Yeah. So the natives, they were encountering Templars and they were working with them.

[Mark Gagnon]

And can you find the Mi' Kmaq flag? I mean, that's fascinating.

[Tim Hogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You could be able to find that type in Mi'. Kmaq. I think it's spelled like M I Q, M A, H. And they're in

[Mark Gagnon]

Nova Scotia as well.

[Tim Hogan]

Nova Scotia?

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Yeah.

[Tim Hogan]

Mi', Kma, Flagg and Templar. You'll be able to. I'm sure you'll be able to find the two.

[Mark Gagnon]

Now, what year is.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, there we go. That's it right there. So there's the Mikmah flag, which was the old Templar battle flag.

[Mark Gagnon]

Right. And the idea is that in what year are they using this flag, roughly?

[Tim Hogan]

Well, the Mi' Kmaq say that goes all the way back to that same time period.

[Mark Gagnon]

1200, 1300.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. And they have their own myths of meeting with the Templars at that time.

[Mark Gagnon]

And you have this iconic red cross which seems obviously Christian. The conventional story here is that Christopher Columbus wouldn't have come to America until late 1400s.

[Tim Hogan]

Late 1400s, yeah. These are things that go back much earlier and especially with that star and the moon. Those are traditional Templar symbols. You'll find that on old land markers that the Templars were putting all over Europe.

[Mark Gagnon]

So strange.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. Well, it's because the Templars were over here. They were also meeting with the Mayans, declared down in Yucatan. To this day, the Mayans will still put an equal armed cross on their altars. Specifically because of their connection and meeting with the Templars. I lead tours down to the Yucatan and meet with the Mayans all the time. And. But according to traditional Mayan history and Templar history, the Templars were really. The Templars were trying to find the remnants of Atlantis. They had encountered in Egypt, references to the Egyptians meeting with the Mayans, the ancient Egyptians, because the Egyptians were trying to find their homeland of Utlant, which was said to be an island in the Atlantic. And they were trying to find the remnants of the people who had survived a cataclysm previously. And they have recorded on certain temple walls their meeting was with Mayans. They even had had a Queen Maya who had been involved in Egypt for a while. Some people believe Nefertiti may have been a Mayan princess that had been brought over into Egypt. And in the Valley of the Queens, to this day, there's a Queen Maya tomb and it has Mayan art in it. On Elephantine island in Egypt, there's a temple. It's closed to the public, but it has images of Egyptians meeting with Mayans with their traditional headdresses. So the Templars came across all that. You're not going to find that online.

[Mark Gagnon]

Yeah, you can't find that one, but

[Tim Hogan]

I could get you a picture of it. Yeah, I would love to see that. But the. So the Templars came across all this. They knew there was probably land on the other side of the Atlantic and they found their way there through a number of sources. But they met with the Mi', Kmaq and they made their way down into the met with the Mayans. The Templars had certain initiation ceremonies that they had inherited in which they were given. They would go through a symbolic death and raising ceremony which they believed was the same thing Jesus went through, and the same thing. In fact, they believe that the story of Lazarus was such an initiation ceremony that Jesus wasn't actually raising Lazarus from the dead, that Lazarus represented the God Osiris symbolically. Back in Hebrew, Lazarus is El Assur. Well, El in Hebrew means God, and Assur was the ancient Egyptian name for the God Osiris. Osiris is the Greek name for it, but the original Egyptian name for this God is Assur. So El Assur literally means the God Osiris.

[Mark Gagnon]

Interesting.

[Tim Hogan]

So Jesus was symbolically raising the God Osiris. He was. He was reenacting this initiation ceremony that the pharaohs went through as they represented the God Osiris. And Osiris himself was a metaphor for Utlant, or Atlantis, according to the Egyptian mythology. Now, the Mayans were performing the same initiation rite. In fact, they say they came from a homeland, an island that sunk. They went by the name of Attlan. So you had the Egyptians talking about Utlant, you had the Mayans talking about Atzlant. They were the same thing. They were both talking about Atlantis, which Plato referred to as Atlantis. And the Templars, they found all this. They knew, they believed this was the land of Noah prior to the flood.

[Mark Gagnon]

Which land?

[Tim Hogan]

Atlantis, I see, was the territory of Noah prior to the flood. And so when the Egyptians talked about Utlant and the Mayans talked about Atzlant and Plato, which the Templars had come across the writings of Plato through, there were Islamic translators at the time, and there were Coptic, Ethiopian Coptic. Christians that were preserving documents, and there were Druze groups that were preserving documents, particularly hermetic documents. But the Templars came across all of this, and they learned Plato's Atlantis, and they learned of the Egyptian Utlant, and they learned. So when they came across the Mayans, one of the things they exchanged was certain hand grips that they had received during their initiation ceremonies. And these were recognized by the Mayans just like they were recognized by the Mi' Kma and other tribes in North America. And that the Mayans had the same initiation ceremony where the candidate would be symbolically killed and then brought back from the dead. Well, this was something the Templars were performing. What they had learned of from the Druze and other groups. They went all the way back to ancient Egypt. And so they got along fine with the Mayans.

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[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That it was a very advanced civilization where people could do things that they can't do anymore. They looked to several different texts at the time. There was another book in Britain called the Prophecies of Merlin that had been published by Geoffrey of Monmouth, which he said came from earlier Celtic documents which pointed that talked about all kinds of technologies like crystals that you could hold in your hand that would allow you to talk with people on the other side of the ocean and flying devices and devices that could go underwater allow you to go underwater. These were all alluded to. They believed that these came from a previous civilization. They described things that you could look at that would allow you to see people in other parts of the world. Anyhow, it was believed that these were a technology that had existed in the past that seemed as magic at the time, but was believed to be technologies. And as the Templars, one of the things they discovered in Egypt in particular were these arcs, these boxes that what they were is these arcs were static capacitors. They would build up static from their environment over a period of days or, or over a month, and then would store that static and then would start to discharge it through the top where the winged figures were. And that seemed like magic. You couldn't touch it without being electrocuted. Right. And which could kill you.

[Mark Gagnon]

And these arks, according to the biblical account, are made of acacia wood and gold, Right?

[Tim Hogan]

Alternating layers, correct? Yeah. And they had within the mana, and this manna was, according to the Templar tradition, was a substance that was made alchemically. So this was one of the other things that the Templars came across was the study of alchemy. And alchemy was believed to be the science of the gods or the science of God. And it was believed to be a science that had come from that pre civilization of Atlantis. It wasn't just about transmuting base metals into gold, it was about taking substances like gold and transmuting them into. Into this mana substance, which was a white powder that was said to. Not only when it was put in the arcs, it was superconductive, so it would cause that power to build up even more. But it was also a medicine, and that when you ingested it, it helped raise consciousness and cure the body of illnesses. It was believed that when Moses burned the golden calf into a powder and sprinkled it on the water and fed it to the wandering Hebrews, that that's what this was, this was the manna. And that when he wandered the desert and he would. In fact, it was even believed that when Moses witnessed God as a burning bush, when you burn down certain plants in that region, particularly acacia and tamarisk, you get ashes. And out of those ashes you can extract. Well, out of acacia, you can extract dmt, which is called the spirit molecule. It creates hallucinogenic properties. But you could also extract out of those ashes this mana. This the substance that is platinum based, but it's in a monoatomic state, so it doesn't bind with anything and it doesn't react to anything. And so this is why it got the name mana, which mana in Hebrew actually just means what is it?

[Mark Gagnon]

Right.

[Tim Hogan]

And so if you have a substance that if you try to burn it, it doesn't produce a color, and you try to subject it to other chemicals, and it doesn't react. Then what is it? How do you know what it is? Right.

[Mark Gagnon]

My understanding from high school Bible studies that this manna would come down from heaven and it fed all the people, and it really was just kind of like. Like a panacea, in a way. And that the wandering Israelites, or the Hebrews at the time, relied on it for sustenance. And it was, of course, within the ark of the covenant.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

It's almost like a bread is kind of the way it was put in my mind.

[Tim Hogan]

Exactly. Because it was cooked into bread and it was called manna from heaven because there's this stage where you take gold. Like if you take 24 karat gold, you have to liquefy it first of all by turning it into a gold chloride, which is just done by mixing gold with certain acids that you can derive from plants in the region. There's a plant that grows in the region of the holy land that's scientific name is dictapetalum. And it breaks down things. But you could also extract this acid out of other things. But you created what was known as a vitriolic acid. And from that vitriolic acid, it eats gold and turns it into a gold chloride. From that gold chloride, alchemically, you can do a certain process to it in which the gold appears to disappear. It's like, gone. It looks like it's completely been dissolved and there's nothing left. What's really happened is the gold has entered into a higher dimensional state. And then from that higher dimension, you can bring it back. And when you bring it back, it comes back in this monoatomic state as this white powder. And so it appears like you've offered gold up into heaven and that heaven has given it to you back as manna.

[Mark Gagnon]

I see.

[Tim Hogan]

So that's why it was manna from heaven. What is it from heaven? It's this new substance that has come back from the higher dimensional state from heaven.

[Mark Gagnon]

And from the Templar tradition, it is just this sort of powderized gold.

[Tim Hogan]

I guess it is. That's correct. And it's because each grain of it is self contained. It's monoatomic. The two electrons in the outer valence ring enter into what's known as a cooper pair. This is the modern explanation of what's going on. They enter into what's called a high spin state, where the outer valence ring becomes completely captured by the nucleus and it doesn't bind anymore. It no longer forms compounds. It becomes contained within itself. And because it's in this high spin state, it refracts light so it appears white as a white powder. And this powder is superconductive. So if you put that superconductive substance in a capacitor, electrostatic capacitor, like an arc, it produces tremendous electricity at that point. Also, if you ingest it, it heals the body, much like chemotherapy, which is done with heavy metals only because it's in this monoatomic state. It doesn't poison the body like heavy metals do. So it heals the body and it produces. It's superconductive. So it produces a tremendous amount of electricity when put in the static capacitor.

[Mark Gagnon]

So they bake it into a bread and then they eat it correctly.

[Tim Hogan]

And you find this. And they learned of this also, not only from the Bible, but it's depicted all over the temple walls of Egypt. If you go to Egypt, all of the temples depict this. They all depict arks, because every temple at one point in time had an ark in its sanctum sanctorum. These arks are always depicted on boats because these arks were brought over on boats from Atlantis or from Utlant, as the Egyptians refer to it as. Just like the Egyptians also depict their kneaders or their gods as having come over on these boats from Utlant, they also believed that the gods or

[Mark Gagnon]

the

[Tim Hogan]

people who established Egypt, not only did they come from this island of Utlant, but originally it was believed that these gods had come from Orion, their Orion Nebula. And so the sanctum sanctorums of all the Egyptian temples, they all have the word. If you look at the hieroglyphs on the doors, they have the word Saba on them, which just means stargate. So they talk about how the gods came from Orion through these stargates here to Earth. And by the way, this is Saba. This word Saba is where the word Sheba comes from. So when King Solomon would go visit the queen of Sheba in Ethiopia, Sheba was the same word as Saba in Egyptian, which just meant stargate. So she was the queen of the stargate. According to Ethiopian texts, like the Kebra Nagast, it talks about King Solomon's flying ship where he would visit the queen of Sheba and then go back to Jerusalem. He was visiting the queen of the stargate in his flying ship.

[Mark Gagnon]

Right. Now, what is the mainstream understanding of that story is that this is a

[Tim Hogan]

symbol for mainstream story is that Sheba was just her name and that she was just one of the lovers of King Solomon and that he would go and visit her at best, or

[Mark Gagnon]

at

[Tim Hogan]

a minimum, I should say, or at best, King Solomon was married to the Queen of Sheba and he would just go visit her.

[Mark Gagnon]

Now the Templar tradition, does it believe that there was a literal ship here? Was there some type of metaphorical.

[Tim Hogan]

No, it believes that there was a literal ship and that the Egyptian walls talk about the founders of Egypt having come over in these ships from Utlant or Atlantis. And that originally these came from Orion. And this is why the God Osiris was depicted. It was always associated with Orion. And in fact, in the stories of Osiris, his brother Set tricks him, cuts him up into a bunch of pieces and throws them into the Nile and Isis. Then who's Osiris? Sister wife. She recollects his pieces and puts them back together again and then raises him from the dead. And to the Templars and to the Egyptians, this was a metaphor of many things. One, it was a metaphor for the alchemical process of how you need to chop up an herb and you digest it in water and then you distill it and then you collect the oils and the salts and you re put them back together again to bring it back to life and then form. So on the one hand it was a metaphor for that, but on the other hand it was also a metaphor for Atlantis itself which was broken up into pieces. And the goal of civilization is to recollect those pieces to create the new Atlantis, which is what the Templars were trained to do. That's what the Egyptians were trying to do before them. And so that's why they were sailing out trying to find the old colonies, shall we say, of Atlantis, bring them back together again.

[Mark Gagnon]

I see now the mana, or the mana rather.

[Tim Hogan]

Hang on real quick. It's an important point. This is also the reason why the pharaoh in ancient Egypt was always depicted with this triangular apron. Because he was trying to look like the constellation of Orion. His body, between his body and the triangular apron, he was trying to look like the star pattern of the constellation of Orion, which it was believed everything originally came from. And this is also why on the temple walls you'll see the pharaohs always standing next to these arks, particularly in the sanctum sanctorum, to the holy of holies. Within all the temples of Egypt, they're always standing next to one of these arks. They're offering the gods, usually Osiris, but sometimes other gods like the God of the temple, whatever that temple was dedicated to, you'll see the pharaoh offering a cone shaped bread which is the Manna to the God while he's standing next to one of the arks and he's holding a rod. And these rods were grounding rods. So if you put the rod in the ground and you dropped it against the ark, it would discharge the electricity. So then you could touch the ark, but otherwise you couldn't touch the ark because it was issuing electricity and it would shock you to death. And this is one of the. And these temples were built. They were also built with these, what are called butterfly clamps, connecting stones around the perimeter of the temples. What these were is they would harness the electricity from the ark that was within the temple, and it would cause the whole temple to just be full of static. So anybody who was going into worship, if they touched any of the statues or anything, it would shock them, which seemed like magic to the early Egyptians.

[Mark Gagnon]

Are we able to see any of the hieroglyphs of the pharaohs near the arks?

[Tim Hogan]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all over. Yeah, all over. And I can send you pictures of them. But like every temple in Egypt has them. Every temple had an ark in their sanctum sanctorum, and it's depicted on the temple walls. But it's one of these things that the Templars understood because they found some of these arks and they brought them back with them. In fact, there's even at, I'll get you a picture of this. But at, For example, the temple of Seti, the first at Abydos, it's where the Templars found the first ark. And there is a room that is close to the public right now called the umm, Seti room. But in that room on the walls, you'll see the pharaoh with an ark, offering it to the gods. And you'll see an ark on a boat. And you will also see Templar graffiti from the 1200s where they took their red crosses and they marked it in three places around the ark on the wall, saying, hey, this is where we found one of the arks. And they did that everywhere they went in Egypt. So there is Templar graffiti at all the major temples. And even at Hatshepsut's funerary temple, right before you go into the sanctum sanctorum, or the holy of holies of Hatshepsut's funerary temple, which is listed as a Stargate, there's also right there red crosses that were painted by the Templars because the Templars had set up their main commandery building at the Temple of Isis at Philae. And there's Templar crosses all carved into the Temple of Isis at Philae by the Templars while they were there. But also at Dendera, the Temple of Hathor at Dendera, there's a bunch of Templar graffiti too.

[Mark Gagnon]

Interesting. Now, do you believe that the pyramids at Giza also housed these arks?

[Tim Hogan]

Yes. So one of the beliefs is that it just so happens that the so called sarcophagus that's found in the king's chamber of the Great Pyramid, the inner dimensions of that sarcophagus are the same as the outer dimensions as the Ark of the Covenant. So the reason is, if you were to put one of these arks, of which the Ark of the Covenant, that's from the Bible, is one, if you were to put one of these in that sarcophagus of the Great Pyramid with the mana in it, this monoatomic superconductive substance, the pyramid itself is already a giant. Static generator. In fact, the, the granite, they specifically put this incredible, some as much as 70 ton granite that they had

[Mark Gagnon]

quarried

[Tim Hogan]

from Aswan, which was hundreds of miles away. They managed to get it over a mountain range down the Nile and then somehow get it up into the King's chamber of the Great Pyramid. This granite is pazoelectric, which means when you put pressure on, produces electricity. Right. So you have this granite, you have all this pressure of limestone and other stone that the Great Pyramid is made of acting on it. It's already going to produce an electrical charge. To this day, even without an ark, if you stand on top of the Great Pyramid with a bottle, like a glass bottle, and you put a wet rag on it, sparks will start to shoot off the. No, the bottle, yeah. It's just from the generation of the electricity of the pyramid itself. Right. Now with nothing, no arc in the

[Mark Gagnon]

Great Pyramid because of the pressure conduction of the granite.

[Tim Hogan]

Correct. And the static buildup from the desert itself.

[Mark Gagnon]

Is there a video of that?

[Tim Hogan]

No, but there's been descriptions of it going back into the 1800s of that happening.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow.

[Tim Hogan]

So if you put an ark then in that king's chamber with the manna in it, it's going to produce a tremendous amount of electricity.

[Mark Gagnon]

And what would have been the utility at that time for the pharaohs?

[Tim Hogan]

So one theory is that the pyramid's a lot older than Khufu and that it had actually existed prior to Khufu,

[Mark Gagnon]

because most of the dating on the pyramids is what, like 2500 B.C. or something to that effect. It's Old Kingdom.

[Tim Hogan]

Right, Old Kingdom. But one of the problems with that there are actually ostrich eggs in the. The Cairo Museum that had been made by Bedouin cultures prior to Khufu that actually show the Nile and the three pyramids on it, which seemed to suggest that the pyramids were there long before Khufu.

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[Mark Gagnon]

Those ostrich eggs date to what, what time, roughly?

[Tim Hogan]

I think they date as early as 5000 BC.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wow. So far before the pyramids were set.

[Tim Hogan]

Long before. Right. So that kind of suggests that the pyramids are older. There are other elements to the pyramids as well that most people don't factor in. One has to do with there's a foundational platform that the pyramids rest on. If you go to Giza, you see, everyone looks at the pyramids, they don't look down. And if you look down, they'll see that there's a platform that these pyramids rest on. And it's designed to be earthquake proof. And it's cyclopedian architecture where there are stones that have as many as like, eight different sides to them, and they're all fit like jigsaw pieces all throughout the Giza Plateau. And it's designed to be earthquake proof. The other place we find this type of thing is in some of the earliest temples of Egypt. They're built with the same. Like the Sphinx temple, which is right next to the Sphinx, is built with the same type of architecture. The other place we find this is over in the Americas, quite frankly, in Peru, at places like Cusco in Peru. Same thing built with these giant megalithic stones that are all fitted like jigsaw puzzles to be earthquake proof. And. There are millions of these stones on the Giza plateau. So everyone's looking at the pyramids. The pyramids are a marvel, don't get me wrong. But just that platform to create that, leveling out the desert and creating that

[Mark Gagnon]

platform is as much of a marvel,

[Tim Hogan]

as much of a marvel as the pyramids themselves. And nobody ever looks at those, but it suggests a much bigger project than what Egyptologists are acknowledging. So it may be that these structures were originally created by the Atlanteans. There are other things, too, that point to this one, for example, is there's the shafts in the Great Pyramid, which go from the queen's chamber and the king's chamber all the way to the outside of the pyramids. And just how they arranged all the stones to make that happen is pretty incredible itself. But in these shafts in particular, there's one out of the queen's chamber that there was a scientist by the name of Gattenbrink, who. About 20 years ago had sent robots up these shafts, and he found doors in the shafts, and he drilled through one of the doors, and he put a fiber optic camera through the hole, and he saw another door up there. And that was made available to the public. In fact, it was even televised on, like, DC or something.

[Mark Gagnon]

It was like a big, like, night or like a nightly special. Correct.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. But what wasn't televised was he then took another fiber optic camera, put it through the hole, and looked at the back of the door. And the back of the door he found copper, like, hinges. And then there was writing. But the writing's not Egyptian. Well, that's a problem, because Egyptians supposedly built this pyramid, and yet the writing is not Egyptian.

[Mark Gagnon]

What is the writing?

[Tim Hogan]

We don't know. We don't know what it is. It implies that some other culture, though, was involved in creating this pyramid.

[Mark Gagnon]

Is it possible another culture came later and then put these hinges in or these doors?

[Tim Hogan]

No. How would they get them in there?

[Mark Gagnon]

I mean, you get, like, a little guy to crawl up there or something.

[Tim Hogan]

No, the shafts are, like, maybe 10 inches by 10 inches.

[Mark Gagnon]

So the doors were put in at the creation of them.

[Tim Hogan]

Correct.

[Mark Gagnon]

I see.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. So we know the doors were put in when the pyramid was built, and we know that on the doors is writing that's not Egyptian.

[Mark Gagnon]

Interesting. And no one knows what it is.

[Tim Hogan]

To this day, no one knows what it is.

[Mark Gagnon]

Are there images of the writing? There are.

[Tim Hogan]

You can find them online. But the closest we've encountered to this writing is there's a culture known as the Vince that is found in Northern Europe. And some of the symbols look similar to the vintage culture, which we don't. We haven't been able to translate the vintia either, but some of the oldest writing on Earth.

[Mark Gagnon]

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[Tim Hogan]

Well, yeah, I mean, they go in the direction. We don't know if they fully go to the outside because we haven't been able to get something to go all the way up through it. But they seem to point to those directions.

[Mark Gagnon]

So now if this is somehow conducting electricity, what is the benefit of these shafts or how does the layout of this?

[Tim Hogan]

Well, the shafts contribute. I don't think it contributes well. So one of the theories, this is going to get really wild, but bear with me. One of the theories is that when these arks were turned on and the pharaoh was in there, they acted as Stargates, they acted as a way to trans, not necessarily transport physically, but transport the consciousness of the pharaoh to these star systems. And these shafts happen to point to places like Orion, Sirius, which was associated with the goddess Isis. And it tracks that they tend to lock on to these areas. And then the pyramids themselves, the three pyramids seem to mimic the three stars of Orion's belt. So again, it's all pointing to Orion. But one of the shafts is also pointing to Sirius, which was Isis associated with the goddess Isis in antiquity. And by the way, Isis means seat or throne. So even Osiris or Osar gets his name from Isis. The as part of Osar comes from Isis, meaning throne. And that's where Osiris gets his power from, is from the throne from Isis. And then the sar part was like his actual name, you know, I See? Yeah. So there was a relationship there where the seat of power was tied to Isis, and that had to do. And that was connected with Sirius. And then Osar or Osiris himself was connected with Orion.

[Mark Gagnon]

I see.

[Tim Hogan]

And there was a relationship there between Sirius and Orion.

[Mark Gagnon]

Do all of these ancient cultures, they have a reverence for Orion as a constellation?

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, either Orion or the Pleiades. Most of them are. For example, the three pyramids at Teotihuacan in Mexico, just outside of Mexico City. They're aligned with Orion's belt as well, and they have the same. Mathematical relationships to the pyramids in Egypt. There's also three pyramids at Xi' an in China, and they're also aligned with Orion's belt. And if you were to take those three, if you were to lay out a flat map of the world with Teotihuacan, Giza and Chion, they're also in the shape of a rotten spell.

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[Mark Gagnon]

Aren't they all, like, roughly on, like, a straight line as well?

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah, yeah. Very close. Very closely related to the 30th parallel, which is the 30th parallel north is actually where we launch. NASA launches its rockets too. It's kind of interesting. There seems to be something related to that. But there's other structures around the world, like Angkor Wat in Cambodia has associations with Orion's Belt and other places. There are indigenous places in the Southwest associated with the Hopi tribes that are connected with Orion's Belt. And then there are places like the Mayan Tulum. All the structures are laid out according to the Pleiades, in particular, the star system of Aldebaran.

[Mark Gagnon]

And what is that?

[Tim Hogan]

It's the bull's eyes. The eye of the bull. It's the eye of Taurus. That's where we get the bullseye from in archery, for example. So these star systems are pretty fundamental in the ancient world that is found with these ancient monuments. It's believed that from a Templar perspective, we've also found replicas of arcs at these places, which suggests that at one point in time, these different ancient cultures and these ancient monuments all had an ark, which probably formed, like a world grid network of electricity, broadcasted electricity at one point in time, which could have been used for powering things, but it also could have been used in the technology, somehow, of transporting the human consciousness through these stargates to these other star constellations.

[Mark Gagnon]

So correct me if I'm wrong here, but this theory kind of follows that you have this electronic conductive materials that exist in Egypt in the form of these arcs that are then in the form of these massive structures. Like the pyramids. That the Hebrews are acutely aware of. I mean, they are living in Egypt for many, many decades. Centuries perhaps. And then when they leave, they take this technology with them. And they create these sort of mobile hyper conductors. Or some type of spiritual communication.

[Tim Hogan]

Correct. Yeah. In fact, the theory is. The way the Templar Order looks at it now is that. So there was the pharaoh Akhenaten. He existed about 1350 BC. Farak Naton is the first to proclaim monotheism. He says, look, don't worship the gods. The gods are metaphor. But there is one true God. And this is the secret of the pharaohs. And he comes out and he calls the God Aten. And he has the sun as a symbol of the Aten, or my Aten. Which in Egyptian was Aten AI.

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[Tim Hogan]

So Akhenaten exists for a little while. His queen is Nefertiti. Who may have been a Mayan princess. And his daughter, by the way, ends up going up to Scotland. Her name is Scotia. That's what Scotland's named after.

[Mark Gagnon]

Scotia.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. Princess Scotia. She was an Egyptian princess. That's what Scotland's named after.

[Mark Gagnon]

And is that Templar tradition or is that official name?

[Tim Hogan]

No, that's official. Really? Yeah, it's official. So Akhenaten, he exists for a while. He's deposed by the Amun priesthood. They put up with his Aten religion for a little while. But then he gets deposed. His brother. He has a brother by the name of Thutmose. Who grows up in the court with Akhenaten. But he's never pharaoh. When Akhenaten gets deposed. Thutmose takes the Atenist followers. And he leads them out of Egypt into Lebanon. Where the region of Lebanon, initially. Well, Thutmose is Moses. Right. He grew up in the Egyptian court with the pharaoh. But he never became pharaoh himself. He was a high priest in the court. The Atonai becomes Adonai in Hebrew, which means lord. And he leads them into the region of Lebanon. They become the Canaanites. Egypt already had a close connection with the Phoenicians. Which were like the cousins of the Egyptians. And they were seafaring culture. They existed in places like Byblos. Which, by the way, gets its word from papyrus. So papyrus in Greek becomes loosely translated into biblos. Which becomes book in Latin. And it's because this is where the early writings of the Egyptians and the Phoenicians were put on papyrus. And they Were stored there in Byblos. That's where Byblos gets its name from. But anyhow, it was a Phoenician area. According to Egyptian myths, Osiris had Actually, one of the places where Osiris was resurrected by Isis was actually in Byblos. So Thutmoses or Moses takes. And by the way, Moses just means Thutmose in Egyptian means drawing forth the wisdom of Thoth or Tehuti, who was the scribe of the Egyptians. He was said to be master of the word, the inventor of alchemy, the wisdom of the needers of the gods. He was the advisor of Osiris. He helped to preside over the resurrection of Osiris. And according to the Egyptian mythology, in Greek, Tutot or Tehuti, Thoth is the God Hermes. He was the Roman God Mercury. He was the Sumerian God Enki. But Thoth was the wisdom keeper. So Thutmose literally meant drawing forth the wisdom of Thoth. Moses in Hebrew means to draw forth. And it's usually represented. They associate it with Moses being drawn forth out of the river and brought into the pharaoh's court. Right. That's where they say he gets his name from in Hebrew. But if his name was originally Thutmose, it meant drawing forth the wisdom of Thoth. Anyhow, so they go, Moses or Thutmose brings the Atenist followers into Lebanon. They become the Canaanites of the Bible. And this is why, if you look at Phoenician letters, you could see how they're drawn from the Egyptian hieroglyphic letters. And you can also see how they're connected to the Hebrew letters, because the Hebrew came out of it.

[Mark Gagnon]

I see.

[Tim Hogan]

So this was really the path of Moses being schooled in Egypt, learning alchemy, turning his staff into a serpent and back into a staff again. That's the symbol of healing that's found on all of the Egyptian temples. If you look at the doors surrounding the Egyptian temples, they all show a staff with a serpent going up it. And this later became the symbol for Hermes, who had a staff with the serpents going up it. And that later became the symbol for the American Medical association for Healing. But it was originally Egyptian symbol that was adopted by Moses, grafted onto the Bible along with the arks.

[Mark Gagnon]

Now, what is the temple understanding of that story of Moses turning this rod into a serpent in the back? Again,

[Tim Hogan]

it was just a symbol of the spinal column. With the kundalini that would go up the serpents was the kundalini that would Go up it.

[Mark Gagnon]

Did Moses do this literally?

[Tim Hogan]

No, it was a metaphor. It was a metaphor. I mean, it was a metaphor of how you transmute your physical body into the spirit, spiritual body. And this is why the pharaohs would always have the serpent coming out of their third eye on their crown. Just represented their brow chakra with the serpent, the kundalini, going up the spinal column. To have the third eye open. Or what was known as the Nazar in Aramaic. This is really where the word Nazarene comes from, Jesus, the Nazarene, where it says in the New Testament, if thine eye be single, thy whole body will be filled with light. Saluting to the third eye, saluting to the Nazir, the forehead, which was the. The sixth chakra or the sixth seal. According to Revelations, the seven seals eluded the seven chakra. And the Egyptians were keenly aware of this chakra system. Normally we associate it with the east within Vedic texts, but it's found within the Egyptian as well. And in fact, the Egyptians, they set up the Nile. The Nile was a reflection of the Milky Way, but it was also represented the spinal column. And they built the temples along the Nile to correspond to these chakra or these seals, which were known as the seven seals in Revelations. And as each one opened, your old perspective of the world died off and your new perspective opened up. And it was, the hope was you opened the seven seals which led to the eighth sphere, which was the Agawad, the sphere of Gnosis. And this is really why Jesus in Greek, Greek, gematria, adds up to 888 because it's alluding to the eighth sphere, the agoad, the area of Gnosis. But the other seven seals have to be opened first. So anyhow, part of this process was so the rod of Moses represented that spinal column. And then the seven places that the serpent would cross the rod each represented one of these chakra, these seven seals, or these seven psychic centers.

[Mark Gagnon]

And for the Hebrews, I forget exactly the story, but they're ill, I think with a plague. And as they look at the rod, they're healed.

[Tim Hogan]

Yeah. So that's the brazen serpent in the desert. So the story is, as they were wandering the desert, they kept getting bit by snakes. Poisonous snakes.

[Mark Gagnon]

That's right.

[Tim Hogan]

So Moses erected this thing which healed them of their snake bites. Now, what's interesting is Nikola Tesla interpreted this as a technology. He took the fact that the word serpent in Hebrew, Nehish, and the word copper in Hebrew, which is Nahash, were basically the same word. So he interpreted it as. Okay, well, what happens if we take copper and coil it like a snake and hook it up to a charge? What happens? We found that the charge gets vastly increased and it produces a discharge. And this was this Tesla coil. Well, it just so happens that if you say you have a snake bite and you were to touch something like a coil, a Tesla coil, and the shock from it actually separates the proteins and the snake venom, which causes the. It nullifies the snake venom.

[Mark Gagnon]

Is that true?

[Tim Hogan]

It's true. Yeah. So, I mean, I would. So if you're ever out in the middle of nowhere and you get bit by a snake and you hook yourself up to a car battery and shock yourself at the point of the snake venom, the proteins separate in the snake venom, and you'll survive. Now, you may give yourself a heart attack. So I'm not recommending it if you

[Mark Gagnon]

don't have an antidote nearby.

[Tim Hogan]

If you have no other option. Yeah, you could do that to this day. And so this is part of what Tesla reasoned, and he was right in that regard. And so it may be that the brazen serpent, that Moses. So if Moses had an ark, which we know he did, in fact, that's probably the reason why the Egyptians chased him out of Egypt, is because he stole one of the arks, quite frankly, because the Egyptians had a bunch of these arks. But if Moses took one of them or thutmose with him, he could have used that charge. Actually, if he set up a little coil with the copper and to allow people to touch it, it could be that that's what he used to. It may have been a technology that may have been used to separate the proteins in the snake venom to heal them. Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

Now, in the ark, there's not just this mana, there's also the budded staff of Aaron as well as the ten Commandments.

[Tim Hogan]

Right. So, again, the rod of Aaron would have been a grounding rod. Right. So he could have stored the ten commandments in the ark. It would have been safekeeping, because if anyone touched the ark, they would have been shocked to death. Unless they had the grounding rod of Aaron, which, again, was these rods, just like the Egyptians had, which you just put into the ground, dropped it against the ark, it would ground the electricity, and then you could open up the ark itself.

[Mark Gagnon]

Interesting.

[Tim Hogan]

But if you didn't have that grounding rod, the ark would just build up electricity over several days, and you couldn't touch it. And it's why even in the Torah, it talks about Uzzah. It talks about that they're transporting the ark on this ox cart, and the ark starts to slip off, and Uzzah goes to stabilize it, and God kills him. Well, it's probably because he got shocked to death, you know?

[Mark Gagnon]

Right.

[Tim Hogan]

And then, I mean, why would God kill him for trying to take care of the ark? It doesn't make any sense.

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[Tim Hogan]

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[Tim Hogan]

It built up static electricity on its own. I mean, yeah, the shock would kill them.

[Mark Gagnon]

Right. And then the Levites were the ones that were meant to carry it.

[Tim Hogan]

Yes. So the Levites were in charge of the ark. Now, one of the things that happens with this monoatomic gold is if you put the monoatomic gold in a container and you give it a charge, if you have manna in the container, if you have the same container with no mana in it, the container with the mana in it actually weighs less than the container with nothing in it. Same container with nothing in it, which seems to suggest it's about 30% less, which seems to suggest that the mana is causing the container to weigh less, to redistribute its weight into this higher dimension, potentially. And so it would levitate, literally, it could produce levitation. And it may be that the word levitation comes from levitation because the Levites were in charge of the ark. The same manna was found in the ancient world under. In Vedic texts, it was referred to as mani. It was said to be Tibetan texts. In fact, this was the stone of enlightenment, as you find in Om Mani Padmi Hum, the Tibetan chant. The Mani, the precious stone of enlightenment, was this same mana. In the Vedic text, it was also said to power what were known as vimanas, which were flying craft in the ancient Vedic texts. Vimanas in the Sumerian texts, the Anunnaki, which were the gods, were said to have what were known as shimanas, which were flying craft. Gin. The word manes in there, and it comes from shem. According to the Sumerian cuneiform, it comes from shem, which is usually interpreted as word or. Bread. Sometimes Shem. And then the Ana part is where you get Anunnaki from. And Anna also meant of the heavens. So Shem Ana was something word from the heavens or was sometimes depicted as a craft from the heavens.

[Mark Gagnon]

Now, have modern scientists not tried to rebuild this ark? I mean.

[Tim Hogan]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been. In fact, I can't remember which university back in the 80s there was a university who tried to. Who rebuilt the ark with the dimensions that was specified. And it did start to build up such static electricity that it was producing so many large volts that they finally had to shut it down and take it apart because they were afraid it was going to blow up. Speaking of which, there is evidence there's an island in Egypt known as Elephantine island where one of the earliest Jewish temples that ever existed was. And it was also where there's a temple to Thutmose iii who was Akhenaten's grandfather. And one of these arks was said to be on the island. And the island looks like a bomb went off on it. There are where the sanctum sanctorum would have been. There's these boxes that held the arks that were made out of granite that are about 70 tons. They're huge. They're made of granite from Aswan. One of these boxes is just completely knocked over, it looks like it. With rubble all around it. And we don't even know how that happened. But yeah, it's a total. There's the temple. That's one of the temples on Elephantine island where you find the remnants. But the whole island looks like it blew up. And they believe that actually there's German scientists there now that have been digging there for the last. Oh, there's the box. 70 ton box. Looks like it just got blown over. And we don't know what would have caused that. But it could be that one of these arks just kept building up and building up and building up a charge until it exploded and just blew everything apart on that island. But that's what in recent times there was one of the universities created one of these arcs and they were afraid that's what was going to happen so they turned it off. They disassembled it.

[Mark Gagnon]

Did they use this sort of powdered gold?

[Tim Hogan]

No, they didn't even have the gold. They just built. Just the ark itself was enough to build up the static and then build up big enough of a charge that it was. They were concerned about it. So again, if you put this monoatomic gold, this mana inside the arc which is, again, it's superconductive, this monoatomic substance. So if you were to put one of those inside a static capacitor. Yeah. It would have built up a tremendous amount of charge. And

[Mark Gagnon]

have you ever seen this monoatomic gold?

[Tim Hogan]

Oh, yeah, we know how to make it. I make it. In fact, I have a company called Templar Made, where we make this substance available to the public. We just started making it available to the public recently. But the knowledge of how to make it has been within the Templar Order since, you know, clear back in the 1100s when they first learned of it. Well, they learned of it in the Bible, but then they found it on the temple walls. And then there were groups like the Druze and the Sabeans. That's another group. So the Sabeans exist in the area of Harran, which was Turkey, near Gobleki Tepe. If you know. So Globeki Tepe is one of the earliest evidence of ancient civilization. And the Sabeans, they exist in that area. By the way, they get the word Sabaean from Saba, which again, means stargate. Right. So the Sabaeans. Sabaeans. And they go to Egypt each year to measure star constellations in relation to the pyramids. And they know that area of Gobleki Tepe, the Templars associated with them. In fact, there's Templar graffiti at Goblaki Tepe. Really? Yeah. If you go to what's known as the quarries of Gobleki Tepe, which is like 15 minutes away from the actual site, you'll find Templar graffiti. The Templars had to go out of their way to go there. It wasn't on their natural pilgrimage path, shall we say?

[Mark Gagnon]

Sure.

[Tim Hogan]

And they went out of their way to go there because they had learned of this area and being part of this ancient civilization. So they were already. Even though the site was refound in the 1990s, the Templars were exploring it clear back in the 1200s and left their graffiti there at the quarries to prove it. But they were also associating with the Sabeans there. And that's where they learned of this process for making the mana, the monoatomics. The Sabeans and the Druze both preserved this process. The Druze was a Gnostic group, still exists. It's a Gnostic group. It exists primarily in Lebanon. But both groups, both the Sabeans and the Druze, venerate Hermes as a prophet. In fact, when the Muslims came across the Sabeans, the Sabeans are mentioned in the Koran, the Koran says that the people of the Book, or the people that are acceptable in God's eye are the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims and the Sabeans. Well, everybody knows who the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims are. Nobody knows who the Sabeans are. There are Sabeans that exist in Harran and there are Sabeans that exist in Ethiopia. The Sabeans venerated Hermes. So when the Muslims conquered them, they said, look, if you just change it from Hermes to Idris the Prophet Idris, then we'll be fine, we'll get along fine. So the Sabeans, they started worshiping Idris instead of Hermes. But it was the same idea, believed to be the same person, the same prophet. What's significant about that, again is remember Moses was originally Thutmose and Tut. The Thut part of Thutmose or Thoth or Tahuti in Egyptian is Hermes of the Greeks. So who is Idris? So that's where the Sabeans, they're venerating. It's also worth the point out that some of the earliest scriptures within the New Testament were found in Egypt at Najamundi, which is right next to the Valley of the Kings. And not only did they find chapters of the New Testament that had been removed or not included, but they found some of the earliest versions of the New Testament, but they found them in clay jars along with the writings of Hermes. So in all of these instances, Hermes is a fundamental part. And this is really tied in with Hermetic, what's known as Hermetic philosophy. And of course, Hermes was the. Or Thoth was the creator of alchemy. So there were certain traditions that were preserving this alchemical science. And it was believed that this was the science of Atlantis and it was used to create this monoatomic gold or this manna. And they preserved the process for making it. So that's where the Templars learned of it. This same mana was associated with the Holy Grail in the Grail myths. It was the sacrament that came with the Holy Grail, the bread that came with the grail, the chalice. And it was, by the way, the word grail can be found in ancient Sumer as Graal. And Graal G R A L was the science of alchemy according to the Sumerian myths. So it's all connected. But yeah, the process for making this mana, this monoatomic substance, is known by Templars. I know how to make it.

[Mark Gagnon]

And you've consumed it before?

[Tim Hogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I consume it all the time. Oh, really? Yeah.

[Mark Gagnon]

And what is the benefit to you? Is there any type of.

[Tim Hogan]

It heals the body of everything? Pretty much. And it raises consciousness sometimes. In the past, For example, the Cathars, the original Albigensians, who the Templars came out of, they had been preserving aspects of this process as well. They had a. Their communion ceremony was known as the Mani Sola ceremony. And it was. Again, it had to do with Mani. Mani was this alchemical, which was mana, the substance. And by the way, there was also a Gnostic leader who came out of Egypt known as Mani, who got his name from the same substance. He formed what was later known as Manichaeanism. And Manicheanism spread all the way from Egypt into China. In fact, some people believe that the Ming Dynasty got its name from all the Manichaeans that were in the court at the time of the Chinese emperor. The Ming in Chinese means light. And the Manichaeans referred to themselves as the Religion of Light. They were a Gnostic tradition, but their leader was known as Mani, and the Chinese deemed him the Buddha of Light. Or they also believed he was the reincarnation of Lao Tzu, who was the founder of Daoism. So all these things are kind of connected.

[Mark Gagnon]

Would you say that Lucifer being the Bringer of Light, is connected?

[Tim Hogan]

Bringer of light? Yeah, sure. Sure would be connected as well. I mean, Lucifer. Some people believe Jesus was Lucifer. They were both described as the morning star. Lucifer was described as the morning star, and Jesus was described as the morning star in Revelations. That implies that they're the same person.

[Mark Gagnon]

That would seem pretty heretical.

[Tim Hogan]

That would definitely be heretical to the Church, but it comes from a lack of understanding of what Lucifer really is. You know, according to the Grail legends, the Holy Grail was. This is Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parsifal. It talks about how the Grail was guarded by the Templars. But the Grail was originally an emerald that was in the crown of Lucifer and that there was a war in Heaven and that the neutral angels. There were neutral angels that didn't participate in the fighting. And that they brought this emerald that had come out of the crown of Lucifer to Earth to hide it. And that this emerald was the Holy Grail. Well, according to the Hermetic tradition, the alchemical tradition, this emerald was the emerald tablet of Hermes, which gave the instructions on how to create the philosopher's stone, which was connected to this manna. And that this tablet was also known as the Tablet of Testimony, which was the tablet that Moses. So Moses brought down two sets of tablets. One was the Ten Commandments, and the other was known as the Tablet of Testimony. And he deemed that the people were not ready yet for the Tablet of Testimony, and so he broke it into pieces, according to the Bible. So this Tablet of testimony was the. The Tablet of Hermes, the emerald tablet of Hermes, which was the emerald that was in the crown of Lucifer that the neutral angels brought to Earth.

[Mark Gagnon]

I thought the tablet that Moses destroyed was the Ten Commandments and that he had to go get it changed or fixed rather.

[Tim Hogan]

It was the Tablet of Testimony. There are two sets of tablets. There was the Ten Commandments and the Tablet of Testimony. So the Ten Commandments were preserved in the ark. The Tablet of Testimony was broken apart

[Mark Gagnon]

when he saw them worshiping baal, when

[Tim Hogan]

he saw them worshiping the golden calf that he then burnt into a powder that he sprinkled onto the water to feed to the Hebrews. He was turning the gold into the white manna. It was transmutation. It was the alchemical process. So this science of alchemy which came out of Egypt was believed to be originally the science of Atlantis.

[Mark Gagnon]

Wasn't Egypt called Al Kemet?

[Tim Hogan]

Al Kemet? Yeah, yeah, kemet. So Kem or Kemet was the name of ancient Egypt. And that's where Al Qhemi comes from. Al Qemet. Al Khemi is the science of Ancient Egypt, which was believed to be the science of Utlant originally the science of Atlantis. And by the way, that word utlant could be found at Edfu, at the Temple of Horus. At Edfu, there's something that's known as the building text at Edfut on the temple walls. It shows the Nidirs coming from Utlant and settling in Egypt prior to the cataclysm. And then it describes there being this great cataclysm that sunk Utlantic, the original homeland of Utlant. And so they just settled in Egypt. Then according to the Egyptian texts, the gods, these Nidors, ruled Egypt for thousands of years before they then handed over that rulership to the pharaohs. And then the pharaoh. Pharaoh literally means son of God. That's what it means. So the pharaoh would go through an initiation rite where they would ultimately, they'd be blessed with crocodile fat, the oil of crocodile fat. And they would be anointed on the head, which was said to. That feeling of the oil being poured over the head was the same feeling as the crown chakra opening up. And this is what that crown Chakra opening up was said to be the experience of oneness. Symbolically, it represented the pieces of Osiris all coming back together again into oneness. Or from a Gnostic standpoint, we were born into this world, everything appears separate. But then when we experience gnosis, we recognize it's all part of the oneness. It all comes back into the oneness. And that feeling of. Of the crown chakra opening up is there. This was alluded to in Psalm 133, where it says, behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together as one or as one mind. It is like the precious ointment upon the head that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard, that ran down to the skirts of his garments, promising life forevermore or eternal life. It's said that as that crown chakra opens up, what's really happening is the pineal and the pituitary glands are releasing. Dimethyltripylene gmt, which is the psychotropic. It's released when we die, but it also can be released when we ingest certain substances, particularly derived from acacia in the Holy Land. Part of that, burning the bush down and then extracting those salts out, doing that alchemical process to it. But it's also. Melatonin is also released from the pineal gland, which is a chemical messenger for serotonin, which is released from the. Pituitary gland, or. No, the pituitary gland. So the pineal gland releases the melatonin, which causes the pituitary gland to release serotonin, which regulates all the other glands of the body, down to the gonads or down to the skirts of the garments, and tells the body how to adapt to its environment. It turns on and off to certain genes and allows you to resonate with your environment. So this was the process of symbolically, the oil being poured over the head, which feels that feeling of that crown chakra opening up down to the skirts of the garments. That's alluded to in Psalm 133. It's also where the word Christos comes from, or Christ, it was anointing means anointed, which was again that same feeling of the crown chakra opening up. And by the way, if we take the word Christos and remove the T, which is the cross, the tau, out of the word Christos we get the word chrysos, which is the Greek word for gold. So it was a metaphor. These things all had metaphors. Like, even in ancient Egyptian, The word light or stone. Was the word Ben. But if we reverse it, we get the word neb, which meant gold in ancient Egyptian. There were a lot of Egyptian words that were like that. Like, aiwas meant consciousness, siwa meant brain in ancient Egyptian. So one was the reverse of the other.

[Mark Gagnon]

Interesting.

[Tim Hogan]

This was common in ancient Egypt, but it got carried through into Greek and into Hebrew and. Yeah, so these are some of the mysteries, you know.

[Mark Gagnon]

Hey, dude, we're going to pause the conversation right there, but don't worry, there is still a lot more to come. Because if the Templars really recovered these ancient arks and they preserved this knowledge for centuries, well, the obvious question is, where are the arks now? In part two, Tim takes us from Oak island and the American Revolution to secret Templar vaults hidden somewhere in the United States right now. He also explains why he believes those vaults still contain six arks, lost religious texts and artifacts that will absolutely change our understanding of history. And even, according to Tim, one of those vaults may finally be opened soon. He shares generally where it is and when it'll be opened. It's a fascinating episode, so make sure you check it out and make sure you subscribe to camp so that you can know exactly when it drops and where to find it.