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In 1918, a secret occult lodge in Munich called the Tool Society began backing a tiny political party that would erupt into the most infamous movement of the 20th century, the Nazi Party. They claimed to channel a mysterious blonde psychic who gave them the blueprints for flying machines that operated on something she called Vril energy from A star system 65 light years away. And I know it sounds crazy, but shortly thereafter, Hitler was producing some of the most advanced weaponry ever created in a program that he called the Wunderwaffe, aka Wonder Weapons. We're talking the V2 rocket, the Horten Ho 229. This program supposedly involved an SS General loyal only to Hitler, who disappeared in May of 1945. But U.S. intelligence files suggest that he may have lived for weeks after his own funeral. But maybe the most famous story associated with the Nazis isn't an SS general or a rocket. It's a bell shaped device possibly buried in a Polish mountain. And it's called the Die Glocker, the infamous Nazi bell that's connected to everything from time travel to advanced propulsion and even a secret Nazi program that we still don't know the full extent of. And on May 8, 2026, the Pentagon quietly released an FBI document that kind of threads it all together. This is the story of the Tool Society, the Vril Society, and the UFO files that just made this entire conspiracy a lot, lot stranger. So if you're interested In World War II history, the Nazi war machine, what they were really building, and a little flavoring of some UFO files, well, the episode for you. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, people? And welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from around the world, from all time, forever. Yes, that is what I do in this tent every single week. I sit down here and I try to deep dive into the craziest rabbit hole that I can get myself into. Truly, I am curious about everything and all things me. And this is the place where I do it. Now, before we begin, I just want to say a few things off the bat. As I say the camp bulletin, if you will. I want to say thank you to you, dude, Sl lady, whatever you are. I want to say thanks for tuning in every time you click on an episode and comment or like, or anything like that. You really help the show grow. You help us expand and do all sorts of crazy stuff. You help me chase my wildest dreams and yet more Importantly, help keep the lights on in the tent and you keep the fire burning here at the campsite. And of course, all of your kind clicks and likes, go straight to my dear Christos Papadopoulos, who's sitting right in the corner here. He is, the man who runs the show around the campsite. How are you, Christos? Love you guys. All right, Christos, we don't have a ton of time because we also have my pal David sitting across from me, who's going to help me try to figure out what's going on with these Nazi UFOs. How are you? I'm good. Well, we have quite the story, and I'm sure you probably clicked on this and you're like, really, Mark, we're talking about Nazi UFOs? I know it sounds crazy, but there's some stuff in here that is not as crazy as you may think. And as I like to tout our show, this is kind of like the sports center of conspiracies, okay? We're just going to entertain all the options, and then we'll come to the, you know, the most probabilistic one, all right? I'm not going to dive in off the deep end and just go crazy, be like, oh, the Nazis had a ufo, but maybe they did. We're just gonna see, okay? We're just gonna lay it all out. We're gonna explain why this story exists, why it's coming up now with the recent UFO release, and why some people are true believers that Hitler was potentially convening with the aliens. But in order to understand this conspiracy, you got to start all the way back in 1871, 50 years before Hitler was ever given a speech. He was just a. Just a glimmer in his mother's easy womb. Anyway, that year, an English novelist and a politician named Edward Bulver Lytton anonymously published a science fiction novel called the Coming Race. Now, quick little aside here. Bulwer Lytton is actually one of the most influential writers in English history ever. He coined the phrase, the pen is mightier than the sword, so shout out to him. And he also invented that line, it was a dark and stormy night. You've heard this stuff, right? You've heard these. These sayings before? I didn't know dark and stormy night was him. Come on. You didn't know his. Bulwer Litten, lighten. How do you not know this stuff, Christos? I thought it was Mark Twain. I'm glad you're in the campsite now. You're going to be no that Mark Twain's A Tale of Two Cities. Ah, close. That's Charles Dickens. Anyway, look, there's a famously bad writing contest even named after him to this day. But his strangest legacy is this book, the Coming Race. And the plot of the book is basically this, you, this American like engineer, he's like a mining engineer and he falls down a shaft and discovers a subterranean civilization called the Vril. Ya. And there are these tall, beautiful, telepathic, like an ancient society that is able to, you know, understand like all this crazy tech. And they control this universal energy called Vril. Now with Vril, they can do everything. It's like the Allspark, you know, like they can heal and fly and kill and manipulate matter and like reshape reality. And they live in these caves under the surface of the earth and they, you know, abolish war and they practice eugenics. And the novel ends with a warning. And the warning is basically that one day they're going to come up to the surface and when they do, they're going to wipe out humanity. And now, of course, when Bulwer Lytton writes this, it's like a satire book. It's like a science fiction, you know, kind of like it's just for fun. And he wrote a letter to a friend explaining that Vril was just his way of describing electricity taken to like the theoretical limit. And it was just kind of a thought experiment for him. But by the time the book hit Germany, for whatever reason, people stopped reading it as purely fiction. Now, just like a fun little aside, that word Vril got so popular in Victorian England that in 1889 a company started selling a like, beef extract drink, basically like a, like a beef broth that they called Bovril, literally combining like bovine plus Vril into like this like collagen cow powder. That's just how popular this book was and how it reshaped kind of the lexicon of Victorian England. And what's crazy is that product is still on the shelves in the UK today, which means that like, that term Vril has survived, you know, into like the British Society 150 years later. However, the real shift in all this comes in 1877, when none other than Helena Blavatsky, we've done a whole episode on her. You should check it out. But she is the founder of the Theosophical Society and one of the most influential occultists in modern history. She published a book called Isis Unveiled. And we go way deeper on her in a different episode, but for the time being, Basically, what you need to know is that in this book, she treated this idea of Vril as a real force. And then in her 1888 book, the Secret Doctrine, she goes even further, and she basically claims that the lost civilization of Atlantis had used Vril energy to build its massive structures, and that a small group of priests, or like shamans or just like these wise men, had preserved the knowledge after Atlantis sank. So all of a sudden, you see this idea of, you know, Vril moving out of fiction into more mainstream occult orthodoxy. And then by the early 1900s, mystical circles across Europe were debating whether Bulwer Lytton had been a Rosicrucian and was initiated into the Rosicrucians, which is its own secret society, and was using this novel to basically leak the real esoteric truth. But the truth is he probably wasn't, or at least there's no historical evidence that he was ever a member of, like, any type of, you know, esoteric order, like a secret society. But in 1872, he actually wrote a letter complaining about being appointed the grand patron of a Rosicrucian society that he had nothing to do with. But, of course, the rumor still stuck. And that's exactly what takes us into the next part of this story. And this is focused on the Tool Society. I've heard some people pronounce it Tule, but I'm going with Tool. All right, so we got to go to Munich in 1918. What's going on in Germany at this time? Well, they just lost World War I. The Kaiser is gone, the economy is falling apart, and in the chaos, there is a man named Rudolf von Sebendorf who sets up this occult lodge on August 18th, and he calls it the Tool Gesselschaft, but we're just going to call it the Tool Society. And the name comes from this mythical land named Tool, and it's at the far northern end of what the Greek and Roman geographers described as the edge of the known earth. So this guy. So Bettendorf and his followers believed that Tool was the original homeland of an Aryan master race. So this is all going to kind of click, because if you've ever read World War II history and you're like, how did the Germans think that, like, they were Aryans? Because aren't the Aryans, like, Swedish or something? This is kind of how it all sort of. It's kind of mixed with, like, you know, white supremacist ideology, plus, like, some occult ideology. So officially, the Tool Society was a study group for German antiquity. But in reality, it was a far right occult lodge that required members to sign a blood declaration swearing that they had no Jewish ancestry. And the emblem was like a dagger laid over a swastika surrounded by oak leaves. You can literally see the image here. And this is where the documented history gets really strange. So the Tool Society's members read like basically like a who's who of like the early Nazis, right? You have like Rudolf Hess, who becomes Hitler's deputy Fuhrer and, you know, was a high ranking Nazi. He was a member Hans Frank, who became the Governor General of occupied Poland. He was a member Dietrich Eckart, the man who personally mentored Hitler in public speaking and whom Hitler dedicated his book Mein Kampf to. He was associated with the lodge. And then Alfred Rosenberg, the Nazi Party's chief ideologue, was also a regular guest. Now, I'm sure you're wondering that last name Rosenberg must have been a little tough for him to sign that no Jewish ancestry thing, but apparently he got away with it. Now, the most important thing with the Tool Society wasn't necessarily the occult. It was the political faction. So in, like early 1919, the Tool Society sponsored the founding of a small political party called the German Workers Party. So Hitler joined the Workers Party in September of 1919 as member number 555. And within a couple years he had renamed it to the National Socialist German Workers Party, which then gets shortened to the Nazi Party. So the Tool Society didn't just influence Nazism, it literally in a pretty direct way, was very much a part of the funding of the political organization that became the Nazi Party. So this guy Zabotendorf used Tool money to buy a struggling newspaper called the Volkischer Bobachar, which Hitler later turned into the basically like the official Nazi newspaper. And now, and this is, I think, an important thread here, there's a big distinction that historians will make. Hitler himself was never a formal Tool member. Some of the more famous alleged members were, you know, like Goring, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels. They were probably never official members either, but they were guests in some capacity. And the core fact here is pretty undeniable that you have this small occult lodge in Munich that's obsessed with Aryan mythology and this lost northern homeland of the master race that is effectively sponsoring the political seed that then becomes the Third Reich. And interestingly, after the Nazis took power, Zabotendorf tried to take credit. In 1933, he published a book called Before Hitler Kahm, which literally means like before Hitler showed up and claimed that his lodge had paved the way for him to become the Fuhrer. Which is kind of funny because the Hitler, like, Hitler and all the Nazis, they hated that. And they even banned the book. They arrested Zibettendorf in 1934 and then forced him into exile in Turkey. And he eventually took his own life by allegedly jumping to The Bosphorus in 1945, the very same week that Berlin fell. It's just kind of funny that, like, you know, Hitler's on the rise, and this guy's like, yo, I actually kind of put Hitler on. Like, I'm kind of like. I'm like, his og. And all of the Nazis are like, no, you're not. It's just hilarious that there was a time where people were like, yo, I started that whole thing. I bet you all of his kids are like, he had nothing to do with it. He was a good man. Anyway, this is where the story kind of splits. All right? So in the historical records, there is something called a Vril circle. And we know this from exactly one credible firsthand source. This guy, Willy Ley, who is a German rocket scientist who fled Nazi Germany in 1933 and then later helped pioneer the American space program. So in 1947, Lay wrote an article for the American magazine Astounding Science Fiction, describing this strange, pseudo scientific group that existed in Pre World War II Germany. And in that article, Lay mentioned a small Berlin group that he called the Are Heidgensellschaft, which literally means the Society for Truth, which basically spent its time looking for Vril, this, like, ancient energy that controls the whole world. Now, they knew that Bulwer Leighton's book was fiction. This whole thing that put Vril kind of into the lexicon, but they believed that in the book were real secrets about a real force that he was basically tipping them off to. Now, according to Lay, one of their research methods was contemplating the structure of an apple cut in half. It sounds weird, but they thought it revealed some type of universal geometric truth about Vril. You can think of Vril almost as, like, chi or, like, energy. Like sort of this, you know, like, esoteric cosmic energy that controls the whole universe. But that's sort of it. That's the entire document that the Vril Society has in the historical record. You sort of have this small Berlin group of fringe pseudoscientists meditating on apples. And this one guy, Willy Ley, kind of, like, spilled the beans on him. Everything else, and this is the part that I think we should be careful with, comes from a single book that's published in 1960 in France and the book is called Les Matons des Magicians, which translates to the Morning of the Magicians. And it's written by this journalist Louis Powell and Jacques Berger. And this is the book that sort of invented this modern story of the Vril Society. And it's the book that introduced the idea that the Nazis were, you know, very much deep in the occult, communicating with extra dimensional beings. And it's this book that essentially created this whole genre, or at least popularized the genre of the Nazi occult conspiracy. So Powells and Bergier describe the Vril Society as a powerful inner circle inside Nazi Germany dedicated to harnessing Vril energy for political power. And in the book they claim that Eckart and Hosshofer and Hitler were all members. And they claimed that Vril was the secret force behind Hitler's hypnotic public speaking ability. Now before you get too excited, here's the catch. The authors themselves told you in their foreword what they were doing. They wrote, and this is a quote, let us repeat that. There will be a lot of silliness in our book, but this matters little if the book stirs up a few vocations. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block. Or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it, ready to make anything online make sense. There's no place like Chrome. Check responses, setup required. Compatibility and availability. Various 18. So good, so good, so good. 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I did an entire episode with Eric Curlander, who is a professor down at Stetson, who wrote an entire book dedicated to that one specific topic. And there's a lot of interesting stuff in there, but I do think to a certain extent it is maybe overstated Hitler's specific interest in the occult. But regarding Regardless, in 1967, Paul, Wells and Bergier published a follow up that introduced a new character and her name was Maria Orsik. Now, according to the legend, and this is just part of the legend, Orsik was a Croatian born medium, like a mystic. And she was born on October 31, 1895 in Zagreb. According to their account, she was beautiful and blonde and had hair so long that she wore it in this enormous ponytail all the way down her back. And the story says that In December of 1919, Maria and another medium named Sigrun held a se in this forested area near one of the Bavarian mountains where Hitler would later build his Eagle Nest retreat. And during that seance, Orsik supposedly received telepathic transmissions in two unknown languages. One looked like ancient Templar writing and the other one was eventually identified as ancient Sumerian. And the message allegedly came from a planet orbiting the star Aldebaran, which is a real star. And it's this bright red orange eye of the constellation taurus that's about 65 light years from Earth. Now, according to this channeled message that she received, beings from Aldebaran had visited Earth half a billion years ago. And they established the Sumerian civilization as basically like a colony. And the original Sumerians and the ancient Germanic peoples were actually genetically related. And then this sort of ties it all together. The Aldebaran supposedly transmitted technical specifications basically like blueprints for flying machines. Now the mythology here says that the Vril society used those blueprints to build a series of disc shaped crafts that they codenamed Vril 1, Vril 7. And then eventually larger ships that they called the Hanibu and the Andromeda Girat. So then In May of 1945, as the Reich collapsed, as the story goes, Maria Orsik supposedly sent a last letter that read Nymand Blight Air, basically saying no one is staying here. And then she and her entire circle just vanished. Now, of course, as the legend goes, she allegedly left Earth on some type of real craft, heading for the star 65 light years away. Now of course it's a great story, but there are some problems because that Maria Orsik that we're talking about, she doesn't appear in a single document anywhere in the historical record before Powell and Bergier's 1967 book. 22 years after her supposed disappearance. No Nazi party files, no SS files, no Munich civil records, no trial, no newspapers, no eyewitness accounts, literally nothing. I mean, there's a single famous photograph of her that circulates online. And the sources say that she might not even be a real person. Now here's where the conspiracy meets was actually documented and where things get really weird. I think. You know, the Vril society and the Maria Orsic stuff, it's fun to talk about because it's built into the mythology and the lore. But what's actually real is that the Nazis were running a very secret weapon weapons program that they called the Wunderwaffen, literally the wonder weapons. And many of those weapons are legitimate and some of them were so far ahead of their time that it makes, you know, some of these, like UFO stories sound less crazy. So, for example, the V2 rocket designed by Werner von Braun was the world's first long range guided ballistic missile across the boundary into space during its flight arc. And it really, I mean, it made the Nazis the first regime in human history to put a man made object into space. If you think about it, right? So then after the war, von Braun was relocated to the United States under operation Paperclip. This was a classified American program that brought like 1600 German scientists to the United States between 1945 and 1959. And he ended up running the Saturn V program at NASA and was largely credited as one of the main engineers that put the first man on the moon. Which is just a pretty crazy ripple in history. And we actually did a whole episode on History Camp about Wernher von Braun. And it's just the most insane thing that you have the same engineer who's working with Hitler to basically build a terror weapon that then a few decades later is now designing the rocket hanging out next to jfk, putting Americans on the moon. Now another weapon that they produced is called the Messerschmitt ME262 and this was the world's first operational jet fighter. And then you have the Horton HO229, which was a flying wing aircraft that's so crazy looking in design that when Northrop Grumman reverse engineered a replica in 2009, they found that it had part partial, like stealth properties all the way back in 1945. I mean, if you look at a picture of it, it looks like something out of Star Wars. It looks like something that like, you know, like the American military would use now. So this part of the story will take us to a guy named Victor Schauberger, who was an Austrian engineer who developed a propulsion concept that he called the repulsion. This was a disc shaped engine that used a spinning air vortex in order to generate lift. And it's almost certainly the reason why there is, you know, the historical source for the Nazi flying saucer stories that really started to circulate in the 1950s. Now whether the Repulse sign ever actually flew is still very much debated amongst, you know, aerospace engineers and historians. But the engineering drawings definitely exist and you can see them right here. I mean, it's a pretty insane looking thing. And then after the Repulse sign, there is maybe the most controversial piece of this whole thing. And this is Known as the D? Glaca, this is also known as the Bell. Now the dacha is the story of this bell shaped device that is roughly like 12ft tall, 9ft wide. And it was supposedly built in a deep underground tunnel in Lower Cicia in modern day Poland under the codename Kronos. Now according to the story, it contained two counter rotating cylinders filled with this like violet purpley metallic liquid that they called 0525. And it drew this massive amount of electricity and when activated it emitted radiation so intense that it would kill plants or animals or even some of the scientists that were working on it. Now the man who introduced the story was a Polish journalist named Igor Witkowski. And he wrote a book in 2000 called Prada o Wunderwaff. Basically the Truth about the Wonder Weapon. Now Wachowski claimed that he was shown classified Polish intelligence documents in 1997, including a confession from one of the high ranking SS generals, this guy Jake Jacob Sporinberg, who allegedly admitted to executing 62 people connected to the project at the end of the war. Now there's a crucial element here. Watkowski was reportedly not allowed to keep any of the copies of these documents. And so as a result no independent researcher has ever verified them. So this entire story just rests on Witkowski's words alone. But if this Die Glocke had an overseer, it was supposedly a man named Hans Kamler. And this guy Hans Kamler was real deal. He was an SS Ober Groupenfuhrer, the equivalent of a four star general. And he had a PhD in civil engineering. And his resumes is, you know, maybe one of the most like morbidly impressive, slash disturbing of the entire Third Reich. So he personally oversaw like the architectural designs of Auschwitz. And in the final months of the war Kamler had been promoted to one of the most powerful positions in Nazi Germany. And he answered only to Hitler. And so on January 31st, 1945, Hitler made him the head of all missile projects. And in March of that same year, Hitler stripped Hermann Goring of authority over aircraft support and gave it to Kamler instead. So then by the end of the Third Reich, Kamler was effectively like the third or fourth most powerful man in all of Germany. And then the weird part of his story is that In May of 1945 he vanished. The accepted version of his death is that that he took his own life near Prague on May 9th, 1945 in order to prevent being captured by the Soviets. But his wife had him legally declared dead in 1948, which is pretty weird. I mean, if the acceptance story from historians, that happened in 1945 and then all of a sudden his wife declares it in 1948, maybe she was, you know, couldn't handle the idea that he would, you know, take his own life. Or maybe she was just reeling from the loss and everything that had happened with the Third Reich and the fall of Berlin. Now, what's even weirder is that that no body was ever recovered. There are at least four different versions of his death that float around. One says that he died on May 7. Another says he died on May 10. A 1969 book claims that he was killed defending a bunker against Czech partisans. But then in 2014, declassified American documents revealed something even weirder. A US Air Force intelligence document dated May 30, 1945, just three weeks after his alleged death listed Kamler amongst high ranking German prisoners of war that were available for interrogation, sitting alongside the names of Albert Speer and Herman Goring. And then On November of 1945, the Chief of U.S. air Force Intelligence in Europe ordered Kamler to be interrogated specifically about his knowledge of underground Nazi installations. But in 1949, from an internal US report by a special investigator named Oscar Pack, he concluded directly, quote, the of the subject suspected and allegedly confirmed by the witnesses is refuted by the CIC's precise information about his capture and escape in May of 1945. So what does that mean? Basically, the American military and its intelligence officers appear to have known that Kamler was alive in May of 1945. And then his trail just kind of vanishes again. So for a man who oversaw the V2 rocket program, the Holocaust most infamous death camp, and the most secretive Nazi weapons program, it's kind of just a strange way for his story to end. And this is the man who, according to the Die Glockey story, if you believe that he was the one that was running the bell. Now, about two miles from the Wenceslaus mine in Lower Silesia, there's a strange concrete structure that many conspiracy theorists and independent researchers have nicknamed the Henge. And it's this circle of thick concrete pillars connected at the top by this heavy concrete ring. Now, Watkowski claims that this is the test rig where the Die Glocke was held during anti gravity experiments. So the pillars in his version would have anchored the device against the powerful energy that it created when it was actually turned on. And it's a pretty cool theory, but there is an issue with this theory. Skeptics, including former aerospace scientist David Myra, points out that the Henge Looks exactly like the remains of just an ordinary industrial cooling tower from like a coal fired power plant. Now those mines that are nearby, the senseless mines, those are coal mines. And coal mines need power plants and power plants need cooling towers. So the shape and the materials and the construction style and all of that, even the location, they're all consistent with just a very boring, mundane piece of mid-1940s infrastructure that happened to survive even after the building around it fell. So now we have two different options here. We have a test rig for an anti gravity weapon or the remains of like a coal plant cooling tower. Now, the honest answer here is that no one has ever produced a single contemporary Nazi document or a blueprint or eyewitness account from anyone that was inside the project that actually confirms that this die glocker, you know, Bell anti gravity mechanism ever existed. But the lack of evidence is kind of what keeps the story alive, because this guy Kamler did exist. And the underground tunnels in Lower Silesia, they did exist. And they were a part of this thing called Project Reese, A real Nazi underground construction project whose full purpose has never really been fully explained, which maybe that's worth doing a deep dive on, like those underground, you know, Nazi tech chambers. I'll write it down. Something interesting. Now, here's where the story leaves Europe entirely and lands in a small town in Pennsylvania. So on the evening of December 9, 1965, at around like 4:30pm, a massive fireball streaked across the sky over six US states and into Ontario, Canada. And thousands of witnesses from Michigan to New York, they all looked up in the sky and they saw this giant fireball. Police agencies across the region were all flooded with calls, and some witnesses even reported feeling vibrations or like hearing a super loud thump. And then in a small farming town known as Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, something supposedly came out of the woods. A local volunteer firefighter named James Romanski was one of the first people to actually arrive at this alleged crash site. And he later reported seeing a large metallic object partially buried in the ground. And he described it as acorn shape, roughly the size of a Volkswagen Beetle with a band of strange symbols around it that looked like maybe hieroglyphics or something like that. And then another resident, this guy Bill Boulbush, he claimed that he saw the object descending under apparent control before it eventually crash landed. And his report said that it looked like it was just being flown. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds, get the unreal college deal everything you need to study and play with select Windows 11 PC. Eligible students get a year of Microsoft 365 Premium and a year of Xbox game Pass ultimate with a custom color Xbox wireless controller. 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And then in 2005, NASA stated that the fragments had been from a Soviet satellite, possibly a failed Venus probe, Cosmos 96. However, investigative journalist Leslie Kane eventually sued NASA under the Freedom of Information act in 2000, and the lawsuit eventually forced NASA to admit that two entire boxes of documents from the time of the Kecksburg incident were missing. Astronomers have argued that the fireball was probably a large meteor and it ended its descent over Lake Erie, hundreds of miles from Kecksburg. And they argue that, you know, this acorn on a flatbed thing was just a story that grew over decades from just a couple eyewitness accounts. But here's why this Kecksburg story matters for what we're talking about today day because the shape of the object that eyewitnesses actually described, this acorn bell shaped thing with markings around the base, is very similar to the bell shape attributed to the Die Glocke. And that comparison was even made in a 2008 episode on a Discovery Channel documentary called Nazi UFO Conspiracy and again in 2011 by Ancient Aliens, which proposed that the object that was recaptured at Kecksburg was actually the Die Glocker itself, captured by the US Through Operation Paperclip, secretly tested over the next, you know, two decades, and then accidentally crash in 1965. But then the theory gets even crazier and it gets pushed farther by this guy, Joseph Farrell, who stated that if the die Glocke was a time machine, as some versions of this legend will claim, that maybe Kamler didn't just escape Germany. Maybe he escaped 1945 entirely. This is where we're going off the rails. But this is what people have thrown out there on the Internet, okay? They claim that what crashed in Kecksburg 20 years later was the Bell and Kamler himself. Now that's a wild theory. That's not one I personally subscribe to. But in the interest of, you know, going over all the possible paths here, we might as well bring it up now. This brings us all the way to basically today. May 18, 2026 is when the Department of War releases a ton of files. They launched the pursuit portal@war.gov UFO and it comes out of a February 2026 executive order directing federal agencies to identify and release every record that they have connected to UFOs and UAPs and any type of extraterrestrial non human intelligence encounter. And the First Tranche has 162 declassified files. It's like 120 PDFs and like almost 30 videos and 14 pictures. And then a bunch of records from FBI and NASA and the State Department and Department of Defense and all that stuff. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said that the goal was maximum transparency. And then the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard described it as the start of a multi agency declassification program. Now the administration said says that additional releases will continue dropping like every 30 days, with the next one scheduled for June 7th of 2026. Now, most of the release material here was honestly kind of underwhelming. There's like a 1952 telegram from Dupont employees in South Carolina who say they saw a blue light with an orange fringe that's shaped like a saucer. And then a 1947 Pan Am flight crew that watched this gold cylinder pace their plane between Newfoundland and LaGuardia. And then you have like some NASA moon imagery with like some unexplained lights. And we did a whole episode on it if you want to check that out. But nothing about it really stuck out. Like, oh, this is what we've all been waiting for. This is disclosure. This is the stuff that's going to set the Internet on fire. But one document did stand out, and it stood out because it described almost exactly what the Vril society and their whole mythology had been talking about for 60 years. The document is an FBI interview with a man named Paul Peyer and Peyerl told the Bureau that during a 1944 operation, basically he worked in the Black Forest region of Austria and that he was actually working on a top secret German aircraft project. And he described the craft as kind of saucer shaped, roughly 21ft in diameter. He said it was radio controlled, it had multiple engines mounted on this outer ring that rotated around this central stationary dome. And payroll said that he was responsible for kind of taking photos of the object during test flights and claimed that he had personally taken a photograph of it at 7,000 meters, that's 20,000ft, and that he actually kept the original negative. He also claimed that he had photographed the craft sitting inside a hangar, quote, at the risk of my life. And both images were supposedly attached to the FBI document, but those images were not a part of the release. He attributed the design of the craft to a German engineer that he only described as Coor. Now Pearl said that Coor had tried to dodge the German military draft and then was caught by the Gestapo and then was forced into the project and then kind of just disappeared at the end of the war. Now Pierrel assumed that Cure was taken into Allied custody, but his fate or his identity has never been confirmed by either side. The FBI says right in the middle of this document that it contains neither recommendations nor conclusions. So the FBI doesn't endorse it and say that it's true. They also don't disprove it and say that it's fake and there's no real follow up, at least not in anything that's been released so far. So what does that actually prove? Well, on its own, nothing. It's a single post war interview with one informant with no independent verification. And there are thousands of these kinds of tips that were floating around between, you know, 1947 in the early 1950s, which is the same time that Kenneth Arnold started the modern UFO craze and actually coined the term flying saucer. And at the same period the FBI was overwhelmed with Nazi related leads as Operation Paperclip was actually relocating all these German scientists. And here's why it matters in the big picture. For the first time, the federal government has officially released on a federal website a document that describes a Nazi disc shaped aircraft that, that had rotating jet propulsion that was built during World War II. Now this doesn't confirm the Di Glocke, it doesn't confirm Maria Orsik or the Vril society or, you know, the people from that far off planet Alaran, but it does confirm that someone told the FBI the story and that the FBI kept it in a file for nearly 80 years and never threw it out. Now, before we button this all up, let's just kind of zoom out. The Tool Society was real. There are documents and member lists and building records and dates and a paper trail going from Zibettendorf's Lodge to the German Workers Party, eventually into the Nazi Party. And that part isn't really conspiracy. That's just kind of documented history. Now, the Vril Society, in the form that gets repeated online is almost certainly just fiction from a book. But there was a small Berlin circle that actually took Bulwer Leighton's novel very seriously and everything beyond that. The inner circle, the female mediums, Maria Orsik, the blueprints, the flying saucers. That comes from a French book that's published in the 1960s that openly admitted that it was kind of mixing research with science fiction speculation. Maria Orsik almost certainly never existed, or at least not in the way she was described. But the Nazi wonder weapons program, that was real. And the V2 and the ME262, those are the actual technology pieces that were being developed there. Not a flying saucer powered by, you know, some Sumerian Aldebaran telepathy machine, but this new FBI document, that part is legit. And May 8, 2026, that release date is authentic. And the question that the document raises is one that the UFO community, the conspiracy community, they've been asking for 60 years. Why does the US government keep saving these files instead of just throwing them away or releasing them? And the simple answer is basically just, the FBI keeps everything, and the release portal isn't the same thing as confirmation. Just because it's in there doesn't mean the government's like, this is true. They're just like, hey, this is something that we can't prove or disprove. So. So have fun. Hey, guys, we're gonna take a break really quick because I want to talk to you about gld. This is an awesome new company that we're working with that I am actually wearing right now. I actually got this crucifix right here. 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But the mythology around it, well, that continues until this very day. And as of just a few weeks ago, a small piece of it sits on a federal government website waiting for someone to decide what it all actually means. And that, my friends, is a brief history of the Tool Society, the Vril Society and the Great Nazi UFO conspiracy. I mean, an interesting tale certainly, right? I mean, my assumption with this kind of stuff is like, yeah, the Nazis were making crazy weapons. They were literally throwing everything at it. All the smartest scientists in all of Germany and all of the occupied states were forced to go build the craziest high impact stuff they could make. And they were just trying to make all the crazy stuff that they could. And as a result, you get the V2 rocket, you get all sorts of other tech that the United States eventually co ops in Operation Paperclip but as far as like, you know, an anti gravity machine that was inspired by aliens, I'm going to say probably not as much as I want that to be true. I mean, how sick would that be? If the aliens were like, yo, we're going to team up with someone, who should it be? And they were like, I think we're gonna team up with the Nazis. I mean, how do they fumble that? The aliens are supposed to be smarter than us. Why are they going to partner with the side that loses? You know what I mean? They got to be a little bit more shrewd than that, maybe. I bet you it was the Japanese that pulled them in. The Japanese, I feel like, have a direct line to the cosmos and they could be like, hey, join up with us. I know the Nazis are on some crazy stuff, but just link with the Japanese and we'll take care of you. And then it was just, you know, the whole thing was bungled. Right. I don't know who the aliens, like, PR guy is that actually pulls them into these deals, but I don't think it was the right move. If I'm representing the aliens, I think that they picked the wrong side, but I don't know. What do you think? You think it's a UFO from the. The Nazis? No, probably not. It is. That was so much information to take in and it kind of went every which way. Oh, yeah. I was with you in the beginning with the Tool Society, post World War I. Say you're not a Jew. Yep. Easy to follow. And then that went in ways I had no idea it could. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's all sorts of stuff here. I mean, this is a theory that I've heard for like 15 years watching old Discovery Channel from Discovery Channel, History Channel, and my mom. There you go. What do you think, Christos? You think it's a ufo? I think the Nazis had a lot of information. We know about Operation Paperclip. True. We know about the Nazi doctor scientist that we brought aboard Foreigner. Von Braun. That guy the engineer, you mean? Yep, yep. But yeah, I don't think it's ufo, unfortunately. But it is an interesting idea. I mean, I think they were probably making. Trying to make like as, you know, discreet and futuristic weapons as they possibly could. If nothing else, just to terrify the Americans. Like, is it possible that they were making this stuff and then taking pictures of it, then leaking it to the US Being like, yeah, look what we got. I mean, we know that the Nazis were using like, Nostradamus. Have you heard the story? Yeah, I was in for that. They were like leaking Nostradamus pamphlets to their own people to be like, hey, this great, great, you know, prophet said that was bullshit. We're gonna win. What do you mean, the Nostradamus guy? No, but the fact that they used him to try to propagate this idea that the Nazis were destined to win, that part's real. And the fact that they're using sort of like this ancient mythology or kind of like these occult sort of prophets in order to manipulate their people, it's not crazy to me that they would try to build a UFO and then leak that to the Americans. Be like, look what we're cooking on, dude. Yeah, you guys can't. You guys can't touch us. When meanwhile, it's just like an aluminum disc with like, like, you know, a plane engine in there. They should have been using all their resources to build the nuke rather than. Right? Yeah. Like, that's the actual ufo. You drop a nuke, all of a sudden it's like, oh, this is a game changer. Yeah. So they kind of fumbled that one. If you have a ufo, you don't need a nuke. Good ass point. Especially if you have a time machine. You don't need any of it. You know what I mean? Just fast forward and you got to land in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. I mean, if you're a Nazi scientist and you have to teleport, I don't think I'm going to kecksburg in the 80s or the 60s. Where are you going in the 80s or in the 60s? In the 60s. I'm going to hate Ashbury, dude. I'm going to California. Yeah, I'm going to Miami. Miami in the 60s. That'd be fun. But, dude, imagine you get to roll with the hippies out in California for a while. They don't shower. They're disgusting. It would be fun. If you're a Nazi, you're like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna put this life of crime behind me. All these war crimes and genocides. I'm just gonna do some drugs and chill. That's what I would do. They were already doing drugs. That's a good point. Happier. Drugs. Drugs. Yeah. I'm going to Charles Manson's house. Oh, come on. Why do you have to make it all dark? The women there were beautiful. I see his vision. Yeah, I see what you're up to. Thank you, David. But yeah, it's an interesting story. I don't know. I mean, also like the coal mine thing and they're like, oh, this is the plant that they use. I'm like, I don't think so. But were they trying to build crazy future tech? And was Heinrich Himmler genuinely interested in the occult? Absolutely. That part is true. Yeah. Heinrich Himmler was. He was like, dude, we're gonna find Thor's hammer. We're gonna find all sorts of stuff. He was like out here trying to like find all of this because he was like, there is some power in it. But apparen Hitler was super annoyed by that. By the end of the war. Cut the. Yeah, literally Hitler was in there being like, what is this doing for us? What are we actually building? We need to win the war. We're getting absolutely murked out here. Can we get an actual thing? And he's like, just look at the stars. I was like, dude, pull it together, bro. Which is kind of funny. That would be. That would be a great little series I would watch. I have one question. Yeah. So the Tool Society, one of the rules was like, you have to prove that you don't have any Jewish blood. And then independently, Hitler was like, we want to do an Aryan race thing. All these ideals were like swirling at the time. So you have like ariosophy, which is like a very popular thing. It was by this guy, Franz Lanz, I believe was his name. Okay, if you could just double check his name. Von Lebenfels. Franz von Lebenfeld. Yeah, exactly. And he's like one of these early ariosophists that basically ties in white supremacy with occult cultism, which is like, hey, whites are the master race. And we actually come from this underground Nordic society that's actually like near the northern tip. Kind of like what he was talking about. He's talking about like these, you know, far off lands where the virilia are. And he's like, that's how it all kind of like makes sense. Where it's like we're going to then build a history force that's going to go around and discover the history that we're the actual Aryans. So this was when you finally find your thing, you want the whole world to know about that thing. 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Adolf Joseph Lonz, also known as Lonz von Lenfeld, he was an Austrian political and racial theorist and a cultist and the pioneer of ariosophy. And so he has this magazine, Ostara, which also Adolf. Yeah, fine. But he had this magazine called Astara, which Hitler was like, reading as, like a teen. Okay. And so it just kind of all brews into like this hodgepodge of, like, master race. Who do we blame? All the minorities, including Jews and Slavs. Gypsies. And Gypsies and gays and Catholics and everyone that's Catholics. Yeah. They were killing Catholics. We're white. That's what. That's what I thought. Also, Jews are considered white now, which is funny. Yeah, it's hilarious. Yeah. That, like, they would be like, hold on, let's. Let's recount this. But also, we got Italians in the white coalition. We got Irish. Yeah, it's funny. I mean, this is just a way off topic, and you can cut this if you want, but, like, we were racist back then to other white people. Like when Italians and Irish people came to New York. Yeah, yeah. We're like these. Yeah, yeah. And then as it gets, like, you're whiter in comparison. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Sicilians are still on the edge for me. But, yeah, it's just a. It's a. Interesting. It doesn't really make any sense. Like, that's why the occult thing was the first thing I was like, oh, I get how they backed into this Aryan whole Aryan thing where they were like, the Japanese aren't visually Aryan, but they're Aryan in spirit. Okay. You know what I mean? So, like. But they're wider compared to the indigenous Japanese. It's like, it's not even whiteness in the way that we look at whiteness. It's like Aryan ness. Like, do you have the genetic essence of a supreme being in you, which happens to be blonde hair, blue eyes? You know what I mean? I remember you. I watched like 20 minutes the interview you did with the guy who kind of explains what Aryan actually means. And. But it. I forgot it makes really no sense. Okay. Because if you look at, like, the Aryan people, they're like, like Indo, Persian, you know what I mean? Like, that's where like, the Aryan people actually are. Yeah. And they're not like blonde hair, blue eyes. So the whole thing doesn't. You need, like, the occult element to make it make any sense at all, because it doesn't really makes sense. Yeah, I remember learning this in school about, like, the Aryan race, blonde hair, blue eyes. And I'm like. But it's again, it's like the essence of, like, being of the master people. It's a vibe. It's a vibe. Okay? It's basically whatever Hitler wanted in order to justify taking over the entire country and the world going on his terror brigade. But anyway, what do you guys think? If there's anything that I missed in this, please don't hesitate to drop a comment. If there's anything overlooked or belittled, please don't hesitate to correct me. Me on YouTube, Spotify. I read all the comments and I'm so curious what your thoughts are. 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