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Great.
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And we're talking about something that you love. We talked about reincarnation last time, and now we're talking about UFOs. Love them. You love them, right? And you fully. You believe them?
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Yeah, yeah.
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You've seen aliens?
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Yeah, I believe in aliens A little. A little.
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Okay, you believe them. Like how Obama believes them?
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Yeah, yeah. Me and Obama are lockstep on that.
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I mean, the timeline here is fascinating. So today, basically, this is just an emergency pod to basically go through what is going on and why this whole disclosure thing is, like, getting pushed from Trump, why Obama's talking about it, it, and what his answer really means. And ultimately, what. What is this trying to divert from? I also want to go through kind of like the history of, you know, UAP and UFO conversation within the American government going back to, like, the 50s or so, just kind of giving a brief overview to get people up to speed as to what has actually been disclosed by the government and what's out there right now. So a few days ago, Obama is on the Brian Tyler Cohen podcast. He's a YouTuber, researcher, political commentator, and he has a podcast that he had Obama on. He basically says, hey, where are the aliens? Are aliens real? In, like, a lightning round? And he said, are aliens real? And Obama says, yes, aliens are real, but they're not at Area 51. They're not underground. They're not, you know, in some secret bunker. And unless the president's not aware of it and then sips his tea Very ominously and kind of stares him in the eyes. Now, what he's basically saying in that specific exchange, in my opinion, has been misinterpreted. The clip got like millions of views. I mean, I saw it everywhere. It was like 30 million views on one post on Twitter that I saw, which was crazy. And everyone's talking about like, oh man, he just disclosed that there's aliens. Really what he's talking about here, in my opinion, is the Fermi paradox. Now, if you're not familiar with the Fermi paradox, I'm not an expert in this, but from my understanding, the Fermi paradox is basically saying there is a statistical likelihood that there must be aliens. Right? Because we live in such a vast, ever expanding universe, there's so many different planets, and, you know, there's, there's a possibility that some other life must exist out there, but yet we have such little verifiable evidence that these things are real. So what's happening? Like, what is this paradox? There's such a statistical likelihood, but yet there's so little solid proof. And that is the paradox. So most people like Obama, myself included, Miles, probably to an extent. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, you would basically say statistically there's definitely aliens out there. Maybe they're intelligent like us, maybe they're not super intelligent, maybe they're just germs living on some far off planet. But that technically is an alien. But yet we don't have the physical proof that they're showing up, you know, crashing into, you know, the seas, things like that. I mean, is that fair? Is that what your, your position would be?
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Yeah, somewhere in there.
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So people, I think, misinterpreted this. But what's interesting is that Obama puts this out there and it gets so much attention and it goes so crazy. And I think Trump sees it. And Trump is basically sworn enemies with old Barry O. He doesn't like him. And so he sees Obama getting all this attention and it's like, former president talking about aliens. He's super excited. And all of a sudden, you know, Trump's like, this is not, he's not even the president. Why is he getting all this attention for the alien stuff? And I think Trump goes, oh, yeah, the aliens thing, let me get a little bit of that attention. Let me put that out there and throw some red meat to the people. And he basically comes out and says on the official White House Twitter account and his own personal channels on Truth Social, like, hey, we're going to disclose all the stuff related to UAPs and UFOs and you guys can just have at it now. I think it's partially, he wants a little bit of attention. I think there's also partially a diversion system kind of happening right now. I think that that much is pretty obvious. I think most people recognize that this is, you know, pretty clearly a distraction. But let's just go back a little bit and I want to talk about the distraction, really what they're distracting from. But I just want to get people up to speed about what the government's position, the US government, specifically its position, has been on UFOs for the longest time. I mean, basically going all the way back to Roswell, you have kind of like this weird cover up where the government comes out and says like, oh, we recovered a saucer. And then they say it's actually not a saucer, it's a weather balloon. Then they come out and say it's not really a weather balloon, it was actually a surveillance system against the Soviets where they were technically weather balloons, but they were actually, you know, basically like a military test gone wrong. And so they're going back and forth kind of changing the story. So that's part of it. And then of course you have Project Blue Book. And if you don't know what that is, basically from 1952 to 1969, the US Air Force ran a systematic study of UFO reports and they collected over 12,000 sightings. And then they shut the program down and they concluded that 701 of those cases remained unexplained. Now almost all of them got explained, which is pretty good, but 701 of them were unexplained and not like, oh, probably a weather balloon or something, like something that is like formally classified as unexplained. Which is significant and I think very interesting on a personal basis because it's like, well, what is it? Was it foreign military tech? Was it some type of aberration with our military tech? Was it something weird that came from out of outer space? So we don't know what it is. Who knows? But regardless, there's 701 of these documents that we don't really know what they are. And for decades after that, the government's official position was nothing to see here, don't ask questions, just move on. Despite having 701 of these cases that they don't really know what they are. Now that's important because they have this trove of documents that they can basically release at any point that's going to be fodder for People to basically go crazy over. And then in 2017, a lot of stuff changes. Basically, you have the UFO narrative go on online, all right? You have the New York times that publishes three videos recorded by U.S. navy pilots showing objects that seem to defy physics. Okay? You have the tic Tac video, which is what people call it, basically coming off of a craft. There's basically this object that you can see the video of, and it's accelerating in a way that's faster than any known aircraft. And it's basically going from, like, you know, sea level to, like, 80,000ft in, like, a matter of seconds. And it's hovering in this way that they've never seen anything, you know, move in that fashion before. And the commander, David Fraver, a decorated Navy aviator, said the object had no visible means of propulsion, no wings, no exhaust, and that, in his words, it wasn't from this world. Now, this guy's a very established pilot. Why would he come out and risk his reputation to talk about this? Who knows? Maybe he's a true believer. Maybe what he saw truly was from out of this world. Maybe he was a disinformation agent. I don't know. Nothing's off the table, but that's basically what had actually happened. And then April of 2020, the Pentagon officially released these videos and confirmed that they were, in fact, authentic. Now, that brings US to the UAP task force. In 2020, the Department of Defense established the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, basically to investigate these types of encounters, Kind of like a new blue book in a way. And In June of 2021, they released a preliminary report to Congress. And here's what they said. Basically, out of 144 reported UAP encounters between 2004 and 2021, all only one could be explained, and it was a deflating balloon. The other 143, again, they just classified it as unexplained. Now, the report noted that 18 of these incidents involved objects displaying unusual flight characteristics in the sense that they could remain stationary in high winds, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, and travel at considerable speed with, again, no discernible propulsion system. And then came arrow. In 2022, the Pentagon established the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to take over these investigations. And In March of 2024, they had a report that concluded that there was no empirical evidence of alien technology. But again, they haven't explained all of these objects, and they don't really know exactly what they are. And then that lack of explanation doesn't prove like, of course it's Aliens. But it's difficult to say, like, hey, there's definitely not aliens. They're just saying, hey, we don't have proof thus far. And the government's position right now is basically like, hey, there's maybe this stuff. Statistically it's likely. And we have some things that we have on video that are unexplainable, but we can't say that they are or not aliens, which makes sense. And other people and other presidents have weighed in on this. I mean, infamously, Harry Truman is like on, you know, has this crazy story around him, basically. After Roswell 1947, Truman reportedly told a reporter, I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on this earth. Now, whether he was being silly or whether he was stating some type of fact to a reporter is still debated to this day. And Jimmy Carter is another one. He's one of the only presidents to have officially reported a UFO sighting himself. In 1969, before he was president, Carter saw a bright light in the sky and it changed colors and appeared to move forward, like forward towards him and then started to recede. And as a result, he filed an official report. And then later he ran for president. And as he's running, he basically promised to release these government UFO files, which was very interesting to the public. And then he didn't. And then Ronald Reagan reportedly told multiple people about a UFO encounter that he had while flying in a private plane. He also gave a famous speech to the United nations where he said, perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us recognize our common humanity. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. Now, again, not an official report or even a belief, but something hypothetical that people have pointed to as some type of tactic going to be used by governments someday to get people to basically all come together. And I know conspiracy leaders have talked about this, my mother included, basically that aliens will be used to basically create some type of one world government. Whether or not this is legit. I mean, the theory exists. So I think it's worth commenting on. And then you have Obama In June of 2021, that was on the Late Late show where he said something remarkable. He said, there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. Again, he didn't say aliens. He might be just saying weird military tech that we're not familiar with, but he also didn't deny this possibility. And then this week he goes even further and he basically makes comments that now have sparked a media firestorm. And I mean, people are looking at this like, okay, this is a guy that presumably has been in classified briefings and is willing to acknowledge on camera that there is potentially something, at least statistically, that we can't explain. Which for, you know, for many UFO truthers and people that want disclosure very badly, this is a massive step. And now after this Obama situation, these comments that he made, you have Trump coming out and saying what he did was wrong and that he basically gave away classified information and that he was the one that was going to be the one to give out classified information or declassified the information. Regardless, he's now saying that he's going to release all the files. Now, why? Now this is the question that I think people should be asking, that at least I myself am trying to figure out. I mean, for 70 years, the UFO thing was like this fringe joke that was completely, like, denied. And then now you have congressional hearings and whistleblowers testifying like, what is happening? Okay. And there's a few possible theories, and one of them, I think, is the most likely. But theory one is that this is legit disclosure and that the truth is coming. Aliens are out there. They've been visiting Earth, they've been abducting people, they've been working with the governments. We've been using it to reverse engineer to make our own tech. And that this is a gradual rollout to not have a mass panic. You basically drip the information, let people get used to the idea, and then eventually bring them online when the public is ready. That's a theory. I'm not convinced that it's that, but that's a theory that's worth acknowledging. And then theory two is that this is foreign adversary tech, or it's our own tech. I mean, China and Russia have been investing heavily in hypersonic weapons and drones, and maybe the government is genuinely worried that what the pilots are seeing isn't aliens, that it's enemy aircrafts that are just dramatically outclassing our own. Now, admitting that we don't know what's in our airspace is a massive issue and, you know, would require more defense funding and, you know, would obviously put the United States in, in great peril if we're not able to control our own airspace. Now, again, I don't really think it's that. What's up, people? We're going to take a break. Really Quick, because I want to tell you about a sponsor we have that I'm so stoked about. Yes, it's Chubby's. If you never heard of Chubby's, I've been wearing these since legit, like late high school. Yeah, I'm so stoked. I started this podcast because I wanted to deep dive on crazy stuff in history and just, you know, random wormholes that I got into on the Internet. 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Nordstrom has all the latest styles for spring, from elevated dresses and denim to style standout tops and accessories. Discover the trends and essentials you'll reach for again and again. We've got brands you love, like Waif, Princess, Polly Mango, Adidas, and Favorite Daughter. Plus free shipping, free returns, and quick order pickup. Make updating your closet effortless. Shop in stores@nordstrom.com or download our app now. There's a third theory, and this is the one that I think is probably the most likely, is that it is a distraction. Now, in 2023, the same year that David Grush testified about these alien bodies, well, what else was happening? You had the Epstein files first kind of getting ushered into the public discourse in a really significant way. And on top of that, you have, you know, Ukraine, you have this, you know, conflict with Israel and Palestine. You have so many different things happening geopolitically that then all of a sudden this card seems very interesting. There's so much fervor from the entire American public and probably the public of the world to know what's actually going on. And are there any documents or any videos that we can see that are unexplained that would just titillate us to a degree that we would kind of forget everything else that's going on? I mean, right now, there is so much happening in the current discourse politically, but also socially that dropping this type of information seems extremely, extremely useful. I mean, you have, you know, the Epstein files that have been massively, you know, disastrous to the entire Trump administration, to Trump himself, both, you know, the implication of him, but other people within his cabinet. I mean, so many of the powerful people in our country have been implicated in these files that all of a sudden throwing out some more meat like, hey, look at these files. It is a tactic that I think is, you know, somewhat useful. Additionally, we have this, you know, sort of brewing conflict happening with Iran. I mean, we are just like on the precipice of the United States actually sending in some type of proper invasion and going to war with Iran. I mean, some people have even speculated that's going to happen, like this week. Now, it seems like anytime there's a massive geopolitical event happening, there's also something else happening in tandem with it. Now, on top of that, you have all the ICE conflicts that, you know, Trump has been dealing with. You have these ICE agents that are going around and multiple people in Minnesota specifically, but around the country have been injured or killed by these ICE officers. Now, of course, that has been a massive PR issue for Trump's administration. Now you have this alien thing that everyone's kind of interested in. You can just pull that card and drop it. Now it seems like there's enough stuff that needs to be distracted from. And the alien thing is pretty, you know, nonpartisan. It's, you know, pretty interesting to most people. And there are enough of these files that are unexplained that you could probably create a comprehensive little dossier to release to the public, then be like, hey, think about this and debate about this for a while. That, to me, seems like the most likely thing. Now for me, I'm not really moved by this. There's probably gonna be some type of release and there's going to be some interesting things in there. And to me, I don't think we should stop talking about these other things that are probably way more important. Because, of course, disclosure in the UFO stuff is interesting. It is fun, and maybe in some existential way it is important. But I do think that Epstein files, you know, the stuff going on with ice, I mean, the geopolitical conflicts and more of these wars propping up around the world, I think those things are vastly more important. So to me, I don't want to take, you know, the eye off the target here. Now, will this work? I guess is the other question. And again, we don't know what the actual plan for this is. A lot of presidents, like we mentioned before, Jimmy Carter, I mean, Trump himself has sort of floated this UFO thing. I don't think that the rollout of this is going to be effective at all. Now, I might be wrong, but I'm really skeptical, and I'm skeptical for a few reasons. One, I don't think Trump is a alien ideologue at all. Every time people ask him about aliens, like, I mean, he was even on Rogan show when they asked him about aliens, and he was like, yeah, probably not. I mean, maybe, who knows? Like, he's just kind of, like, waffly on it. Like, he doesn't seem, like, super curious about it. It doesn't seem like he really gives a shit about it at all. So, inevitably, this release doesn't really have, like, any type of personal moral conviction for him or even an ideological agenda in any way. On top of that, if we look at the Epstein files and the release of that, they were heavily redacted. They were first given to a bunch of influencers with binders and then released in that way, which was disastrous and actually had more redactions than the actual leaked documents originally had. So my suspicion Is that in these UFO releases we're probably gonna see more of the same files that we've already seen that either got leaked from years before or basically just a re release of all the stuff that's already publicly available, maybe with a couple other things added in. But all the really important stuff, all the really interesting stuff is probably gonna be redacted. And again, I think this is gonna blow up and I don't think that there's gonna be so much of a push to actually force this to go out. The other thing that I think's gonna happen here is, in my personal opinion, again, I don't know, my suspicion is that this is going to be used as kind of like a little carrot, you know, towards his core, like towards the people that really want to know about this, which again, according to popular polling, the majority of people do believe in aliens in some capacity. Now, what is actually going to happen, I bet he's going to say, I will release all this if Republicans win the House in the midterms. If we're able to get all of our guys in during the midterms, we going to release all these documents. And if they, you know, win in the midterms, he'll release some of the stuff and it'll blow up on him. And if they don't win, he's going to blame the Democrats and say they are the reason why we're not getting the stuff released. It's basically just a card. It's a tool. So if you are a skeptic, I think you're probably on the money here. I don't think what's going to be released is going to be some type of declassified, undeniable proof of aliens. I could be wrong, and I reserve the right to be wrong, but I really don't think so. And if you are an alien truth, or if you're someone that got abducted by aliens, if you got put on a craft and you have trauma from this experience and you want to know what's actually going on and you want the government to actually disclose what's happening, I would implore you to be skeptical here as well, because I don't really think that this is going to be the moment that you're hoping for. I don't think this is going to be the release where you go, finally, we did it. We got the information. That's my suspicion. I just have low trust. And I mean, I think a lot of us have low trust. I mean, we're in a moment right now where institutional trust is at historic lows. I mean, people don't trust the government or the media. They don't trust experts. And after the last decade, I don't really blame anyone. You know what I mean? I mean, like going all the way back to the 60s, you have Vietnam, a massive issue, JFK, there's a weird kind of COVID up going on, less trust. I mean, you know, going to 2007, we're told like the economy's fine and then financial crisis, we're told that there's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. There aren't. And so, yeah, we're completely worn out. And even just if you look at the timeline of what's happened the last month, like Maduro was captured like what, 35 days ago, 40 days ago. It's crazy. Like we can't, like things are moving so fast that it's hard for us to even wrap our heads around what's happened in the last month. And I think again, this is probably on purpose. This is just flooding the zone. The plane is just getting flooded. There's so much stuff you can't consume all the information you're drinking out of a fire hose and you are completely just absorbed in this information flood. And the UFO files, in my opinion, are just an addendum to that. Now to me, are aliens visiting Earth? I don't know. I truly, I'm averse to certainty. I'm highly skeptical and to, you know, all the information that I've seen, it's. There's a lot of interesting stuff, but it's hard for me to fully make that leap now. Do aliens exist? Probably. I mean, are there recovered spacecraft, you know, at, you know, Los Alamos or Wright Patterson or something? It's just tough, but who knows? I'm open and I'm really curious. I'm excited by this type of thing and I think we should ask questions and hopefully one day we can get to the bottom of it. But again, I reserve my, my hesitancy, my hesitancy and my, my skepticism. So where do we go from here? Again, my suspicion is that we're going to have a couple. I think, I think the midterm thing is a really legit sort of theory. Now, according to an Italian newspaper on July 16, the Lespresso. Have you heard of this? This is like a very, it sounds like a prestigious Italian newspaper. I know.
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It also sounds like Nespresso.
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I know. It sounds like it's not the best name. Okay. But over there they take Espresso very seriously. And Lespresso is Equally as serious. Now, they said that basically in the quarters of Washington, some read. So they're talking about the Trump, talking about UFO disclosure and basically using this UFO issue to, like, curry favor and, you know, get support within different contingents. And it says the quarters of Washington, some read this in more political terms. They see it as a card to play in the next electoral campaign. Trump himself, sources say, is intrigued by the possibility of using the UFO issue to present himself as the president who finally tells the Americans the truth. And that, I think, basically summarizes it, that this is effectively a ruse to get people to get on a side. They're all excited. You know, that's the way I read it. So I think he's going to probably use the midterm thing. That's my suspicion. If Republicans win, then he's going to be like, all right, I'm going to release some stuff. They're going to be crappy files, and people are going to be pissed. And then if they don't win, he's going to say, the Democrats stop me from releasing them. And then people are gonna be basically, like, kind of fake shocked, but also pissed. That's my suspicion. That's my guess. I mean, Miles, do you have any thoughts as to what's going on?
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Not exactly. I don't obviously know anything more than you do, but I can only imagine just what we know about Trump. There has to be either some sort of, like, very pointed and thoughtful distraction going on or just blatantly no one knows. And he's in control, makes wild decisions, and he wants to talk about aliens right now. Like, maybe. I don't know. I'm so interested to know his headspace sometimes. Or, like, is Stephen Miller in his ear being like, talk about aliens. It will help us?
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Yeah. I mean, part of me is like, I think he just kind of makes decisions and, like, says stuff, and then if it's somewhat popular, he'll kind of double down. And if he says something a few times, like, I was talking to our buddy Josh.
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Yeah.
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And he kind of made that point by an interview he heard with some staffers, where basically they were like, if Trump says something twice, they basically go into motion to make it happen, whether it, like, makes sense or not. So if he's like, look, we got this UFO thing, people are down for it. I think it's all bullshit, but we can release some files. People are going to give me all this credit for being the president that. Release the files, take the credit away from Obama and cover up all this stuff. Happening with Iran, with Epstein, it's like, if you game theory it out, it's kind of like the perfect move.
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Yeah.
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Is to release something.
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Yeah.
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So I think it's likely to happen. Now, there's another element that's interesting. Remember when he was talking about releasing the Amelia Earhart files? That was largely done, to my understanding, because of this guy named Timothy Mellon. And now Timothy Mellon is a multi billionaire heir to the Mellon banking fortune, and he's a major donor to the Republican Party. And Trump as well. He's also an Amelia Earhart truther.
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Ah, fun.
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So he's basically like, Amelia Earhart was captured by the Japanese during World War II and that she was actually alive and was probably, you know, housed in some type of, like, facility as a pow.
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Fun.
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And he wants the documents to prove it. And so Trump basically to appeal to one of his small. Like his small number of donors that are giving tons of money, he basically was like, all right, I'll release some of this stuff. Now. To my understanding, no Amelia Earhart files have been released.
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Yeah.
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But he was like, I'm going to do it.
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Yeah.
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And here we are. So I think it's just, again, he kind of like, just throws stuff out there, gauges the reaction. If there's a big reaction, then he kind of, like, moves forward with it in a way that's calculated that he thinks he can open the box just enough. And I think that kind of even happened with the Epstein thing, where he's like, yeah, no, we're going to release the files. And then there's so much thing. There was so much energy behind it. He's like, all right, well, we have to release some of the files. And so then he did that, and then they were like, no, release the actual files. And he's like, all right, well, we have to release the actual files. And then they redact them, and then they're late. And the Epstein thing has just become a massive issue. But every other file disclosure has kind of worked out well for him, where he's like, emilia Earhart. Sure. Like this UFO thing. Fine.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. I think that the Epstein thing got out of hand and got bigger than him because it's, like, so morally or, like, so bad that people actually want to get to the truth of it and just got out of his hands. But, yeah, this alien thing, I think, will be either disclosed in the next biggest thing and will distract us from Epstein in the next two weeks, or we will slowly forget about the aliens thing and he'll sort of like, have won a little bit, you know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Made some people happy and moved on.
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A
Now, according to Archives.gov, it says that there was a January 9, 2026 release of 41 pages, as well as another release of six pages and then a December 17 release of a thousand pages regarding to, like, in relation to Amelia Earhart. Now, maybe I just didn't hear about it. So in fairness to Trump, maybe these things did get declassified. I'll recant that.
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B
Yeah. And maybe there wasn't anything interesting in there. You know what I mean?
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A
But maybe that's a part of the whole deal. Maybe there is some interesting stuff and they're like, we can just release the not interesting stuff. I get the credit that that guy
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B
gets to feel sufficed, where he's like, you know what? Maybe I'm wrong. Or like, maybe these documents make me feel better.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Now, with that said, I should probably read into these Amelia Earhart files and see what's going on with there, but that's a different episode. All right. Regardless, I'm. I'm curious to see what happens. My suspicion is mostly nothing, but how we get to nothing, I think is going to be the interesting part. Anyway, thank you guys so much. What do you guys think? Please drop a comment. YouTube, Spotify, I read all of them. Are we on the precipice of disclosure? Is this obviously just a giant cover up to, you know, pull our attention away from everything that's going on now? What do you think they're trying to pull our attention away from specifically? I'd love to know what you think. Are they trying to pull us away from Epstein, or is the Epstein thing also part of the distraction? How do you guys make sense of this? Please drop a comment. I do go through all of them. Good news, by the way, if you like our religious content and religious deep dives and all things spiritual and cosmic, we have religion camp. All right? That's where I go through every religion, try to figure out what everyone believes on this big, beautiful planet. That is the place where I try to figure out what's going to happen when we all die. And then we also have history camp, and that's the channel where I try to figure out everything that's ever happened. And then, of course, there's Camp Cagnon. And this is where I try to figure out what's going on right now. And this is where I do interviews with, obviously, people way smarter than me that can actually explain what's going on. And then, of course, deep dives and all sorts of interesting stuff related to, you know, conspiracy theories, to the occult, to mysticism, to just random historical stuff that I think is interesting that I think you guys will like as well. So subscribe, comment. Like, all that stuff really helps the channel. And I appreciate you guys dearly and I'll see you next time. Peace. What's up, people? We're gonna take a break real quick because this episode is sponsored by me. Yes, Camp R D. That is the merch, that is the threads that we'd be wearing around here at the campsite. And we got all sorts of cool stuff. My buddy Zach just cooked up a sick UFO collection. You can go check it out there at Camp R D. I really appreciate you guys. We had so many people that came through for the holidays and picked up their threads. It's awesome. We got hats, hoodies, T shirts, all that. And if you're still listening to this and you didn't skip through, congrats. You got a promo code. All right, what do we do, Christos? 5% more. How much five more? 10%. 10%. Final offer. You won't go higher? You tell me. What, what do we give them? 12%. All right, we're doing 12% off. Should we go more? Hey, it's your world. I'm just living in. Let's round up. 10%. No, 15%. If you use the promo code, Camp 15, you're gonna be getting 15% off. Yes. I think we should also do Camp 10. Just if someone doesn't want to take too much Camp 10 or Camp 15, those are the only two that are available. And then maybe we send a little something extra to the ones that do 10. If you do Camp 10, maybe there's something extra. No promises, but it's an interesting experiment. I just am curious to see what you guys do. Camp 10 or Camp 15. At Camp R and D, when you check out, you're going to be getting those discounts. Thank you so much for rocking with us and wearing the threads. It keeps the lights on. It keeps the fire. ABC Wednesdays, the Emmy winning comedy scrubs is all new. This is a whole new chapter for me. No more sad sack. That's what I'm talking about. I want both of our sacks to be fun. You two idiots are perfect for each other. From executive producers of Ted, Lasso and shrinking. We were all a of part of this victory. Now get those nachos out of the preemie warmer. Nachos. Feels like there's more applause for the nachos than my speech. The new season of Scrubs Wednesdays, 8.7Central on ABC and stream on Hulu. Burning.