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So people, I think, misinterpreted this. But what's interesting is that Obama puts this out there and it gets so much attention and it goes so crazy. And I think Trump sees it. And Trump is basically sworn enemies with old Barry O. He doesn't like him. And so he sees Obama getting all this attention and it's like, former president talking about aliens. He's super excited. And all of a sudden, you know, Trump's like, this is not, he's not even the president. Why is he getting all this attention for the alien stuff? And I think Trump goes, oh, yeah, the aliens thing, let me get a little bit of that attention. Let me put that out there and throw some red meat to the people. And he basically comes out and says on the official White House Twitter account and his own personal channels on Truth Social, like, hey, we're going to disclose all the stuff related to UAPs and UFOs and you guys can just have at it now. I think it's partially, he wants a little bit of attention. I think there's also partially a diversion system kind of happening right now. I think that that much is pretty obvious. I think most people recognize that this is, you know, pretty clearly a distraction. But let's just go back a little bit and I want to talk about the distraction, really what they're distracting from. But I just want to get people up to speed about what the government's position, the US government, specifically its position, has been on UFOs for the longest time. I mean, basically going all the way back to Roswell, you have kind of like this weird cover up where the government comes out and says like, oh, we recovered a saucer. And then they say it's actually not a saucer, it's a weather balloon. Then they come out and say it's not really a weather balloon, it was actually a surveillance system against the Soviets where they were technically weather balloons, but they were actually, you know, basically like a military test gone wrong. And so they're going back and forth kind of changing the story. So that's part of it. And then of course you have Project Blue Book. And if you don't know what that is, basically from 1952 to 1969, the US Air Force ran a systematic study of UFO reports and they collected over 12,000 sightings. And then they shut the program down and they concluded that 701 of those cases remained unexplained. Now almost all of them got explained, which is pretty good, but 701 of them were unexplained and not like, oh, probably a weather balloon or something, like something that is like formally classified as unexplained. Which is significant and I think very interesting on a personal basis because it's like, well, what is it? Was it foreign military tech? Was it some type of aberration with our military tech? Was it something weird that came from out of outer space? So we don't know what it is. Who knows? But regardless, there's 701 of these documents that we don't really know what they are. And for decades after that, the government's official position was nothing to see here, don't ask questions, just move on. Despite having 701 of these cases that they don't really know what they are. Now that's important because they have this trove of documents that they can basically release at any point that's going to be fodder for People to basically go crazy over. And then in 2017, a lot of stuff changes. Basically, you have the UFO narrative go on online, all right? You have the New York times that publishes three videos recorded by U.S. navy pilots showing objects that seem to defy physics. Okay? You have the tic Tac video, which is what people call it, basically coming off of a craft. There's basically this object that you can see the video of, and it's accelerating in a way that's faster than any known aircraft. And it's basically going from, like, you know, sea level to, like, 80,000ft in, like, a matter of seconds. And it's hovering in this way that they've never seen anything, you know, move in that fashion before. And the commander, David Fraver, a decorated Navy aviator, said the object had no visible means of propulsion, no wings, no exhaust, and that, in his words, it wasn't from this world. Now, this guy's a very established pilot. Why would he come out and risk his reputation to talk about this? Who knows? Maybe he's a true believer. Maybe what he saw truly was from out of this world. Maybe he was a disinformation agent. I don't know. Nothing's off the table, but that's basically what had actually happened. And then April of 2020, the Pentagon officially released these videos and confirmed that they were, in fact, authentic. Now, that brings US to the UAP task force. In 2020, the Department of Defense established the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, basically to investigate these types of encounters, Kind of like a new blue book in a way. And In June of 2021, they released a preliminary report to Congress. And here's what they said. Basically, out of 144 reported UAP encounters between 2004 and 2021, all only one could be explained, and it was a deflating balloon. The other 143, again, they just classified it as unexplained. Now, the report noted that 18 of these incidents involved objects displaying unusual flight characteristics in the sense that they could remain stationary in high winds, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, and travel at considerable speed with, again, no discernible propulsion system. And then came arrow. In 2022, the Pentagon established the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to take over these investigations. And In March of 2024, they had a report that concluded that there was no empirical evidence of alien technology. But again, they haven't explained all of these objects, and they don't really know exactly what they are. And then that lack of explanation doesn't prove like, of course it's Aliens. But it's difficult to say, like, hey, there's definitely not aliens. They're just saying, hey, we don't have proof thus far. And the government's position right now is basically like, hey, there's maybe this stuff. Statistically it's likely. And we have some things that we have on video that are unexplainable, but we can't say that they are or not aliens, which makes sense. And other people and other presidents have weighed in on this. I mean, infamously, Harry Truman is like on, you know, has this crazy story around him, basically. After Roswell 1947, Truman reportedly told a reporter, I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on this earth. Now, whether he was being silly or whether he was stating some type of fact to a reporter is still debated to this day. And Jimmy Carter is another one. He's one of the only presidents to have officially reported a UFO sighting himself. In 1969, before he was president, Carter saw a bright light in the sky and it changed colors and appeared to move forward, like forward towards him and then started to recede. And as a result, he filed an official report. And then later he ran for president. And as he's running, he basically promised to release these government UFO files, which was very interesting to the public. And then he didn't. And then Ronald Reagan reportedly told multiple people about a UFO encounter that he had while flying in a private plane. He also gave a famous speech to the United nations where he said, perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us recognize our common humanity. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. Now, again, not an official report or even a belief, but something hypothetical that people have pointed to as some type of tactic going to be used by governments someday to get people to basically all come together. And I know conspiracy leaders have talked about this, my mother included, basically that aliens will be used to basically create some type of one world government. Whether or not this is legit. I mean, the theory exists. So I think it's worth commenting on. And then you have Obama In June of 2021, that was on the Late Late show where he said something remarkable. He said, there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. Again, he didn't say aliens. He might be just saying weird military tech that we're not familiar with, but he also didn't deny this possibility. And then this week he goes even further and he basically makes comments that now have sparked a media firestorm. And I mean, people are looking at this like, okay, this is a guy that presumably has been in classified briefings and is willing to acknowledge on camera that there is potentially something, at least statistically, that we can't explain. Which for, you know, for many UFO truthers and people that want disclosure very badly, this is a massive step. And now after this Obama situation, these comments that he made, you have Trump coming out and saying what he did was wrong and that he basically gave away classified information and that he was the one that was going to be the one to give out classified information or declassified the information. Regardless, he's now saying that he's going to release all the files. Now, why? Now this is the question that I think people should be asking, that at least I myself am trying to figure out. I mean, for 70 years, the UFO thing was like this fringe joke that was completely, like, denied. And then now you have congressional hearings and whistleblowers testifying like, what is happening? Okay. And there's a few possible theories, and one of them, I think, is the most likely. But theory one is that this is legit disclosure and that the truth is coming. Aliens are out there. They've been visiting Earth, they've been abducting people, they've been working with the governments. We've been using it to reverse engineer to make our own tech. And that this is a gradual rollout to not have a mass panic. You basically drip the information, let people get used to the idea, and then eventually bring them online when the public is ready. That's a theory. I'm not convinced that it's that, but that's a theory that's worth acknowledging. And then theory two is that this is foreign adversary tech, or it's our own tech. I mean, China and Russia have been investing heavily in hypersonic weapons and drones, and maybe the government is genuinely worried that what the pilots are seeing isn't aliens, that it's enemy aircrafts that are just dramatically outclassing our own. Now, admitting that we don't know what's in our airspace is a massive issue and, you know, would require more defense funding and, you know, would obviously put the United States in, in great peril if we're not able to control our own airspace. Now, again, I don't really think it's that. What's up, people? We're going to take a break. Really Quick, because I want to tell you about a sponsor we have that I'm so stoked about. Yes, it's Chubby's. If you never heard of Chubby's, I've been wearing these since legit, like late high school. Yeah, I'm so stoked. I started this podcast because I wanted to deep dive on crazy stuff in history and just, you know, random wormholes that I got into on the Internet. 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There's so much fervor from the entire American public and probably the public of the world to know what's actually going on. And are there any documents or any videos that we can see that are unexplained that would just titillate us to a degree that we would kind of forget everything else that's going on? I mean, right now, there is so much happening in the current discourse politically, but also socially that dropping this type of information seems extremely, extremely useful. I mean, you have, you know, the Epstein files that have been massively, you know, disastrous to the entire Trump administration, to Trump himself, both, you know, the implication of him, but other people within his cabinet. I mean, so many of the powerful people in our country have been implicated in these files that all of a sudden throwing out some more meat like, hey, look at these files. It is a tactic that I think is, you know, somewhat useful. Additionally, we have this, you know, sort of brewing conflict happening with Iran. I mean, we are just like on the precipice of the United States actually sending in some type of proper invasion and going to war with Iran. I mean, some people have even speculated that's going to happen, like this week. Now, it seems like anytime there's a massive geopolitical event happening, there's also something else happening in tandem with it. Now, on top of that, you have all the ICE conflicts that, you know, Trump has been dealing with. You have these ICE agents that are going around and multiple people in Minnesota specifically, but around the country have been injured or killed by these ICE officers. Now, of course, that has been a massive PR issue for Trump's administration. Now you have this alien thing that everyone's kind of interested in. You can just pull that card and drop it. Now it seems like there's enough stuff that needs to be distracted from. And the alien thing is pretty, you know, nonpartisan. It's, you know, pretty interesting to most people. And there are enough of these files that are unexplained that you could probably create a comprehensive little dossier to release to the public, then be like, hey, think about this and debate about this for a while. That, to me, seems like the most likely thing. Now for me, I'm not really moved by this. There's probably gonna be some type of release and there's going to be some interesting things in there. And to me, I don't think we should stop talking about these other things that are probably way more important. Because, of course, disclosure in the UFO stuff is interesting. It is fun, and maybe in some existential way it is important. But I do think that Epstein files, you know, the stuff going on with ice, I mean, the geopolitical conflicts and more of these wars propping up around the world, I think those things are vastly more important. So to me, I don't want to take, you know, the eye off the target here. Now, will this work? I guess is the other question. And again, we don't know what the actual plan for this is. A lot of presidents, like we mentioned before, Jimmy Carter, I mean, Trump himself has sort of floated this UFO thing. I don't think that the rollout of this is going to be effective at all. Now, I might be wrong, but I'm really skeptical, and I'm skeptical for a few reasons. One, I don't think Trump is a alien ideologue at all. Every time people ask him about aliens, like, I mean, he was even on Rogan show when they asked him about aliens, and he was like, yeah, probably not. I mean, maybe, who knows? Like, he's just kind of, like, waffly on it. Like, he doesn't seem, like, super curious about it. It doesn't seem like he really gives a shit about it at all. So, inevitably, this release doesn't really have, like, any type of personal moral conviction for him or even an ideological agenda in any way. On top of that, if we look at the Epstein files and the release of that, they were heavily redacted. They were first given to a bunch of influencers with binders and then released in that way, which was disastrous and actually had more redactions than the actual leaked documents originally had. So my suspicion Is that in these UFO releases we're probably gonna see more of the same files that we've already seen that either got leaked from years before or basically just a re release of all the stuff that's already publicly available, maybe with a couple other things added in. But all the really important stuff, all the really interesting stuff is probably gonna be redacted. And again, I think this is gonna blow up and I don't think that there's gonna be so much of a push to actually force this to go out. The other thing that I think's gonna happen here is, in my personal opinion, again, I don't know, my suspicion is that this is going to be used as kind of like a little carrot, you know, towards his core, like towards the people that really want to know about this, which again, according to popular polling, the majority of people do believe in aliens in some capacity. Now, what is actually going to happen, I bet he's going to say, I will release all this if Republicans win the House in the midterms. If we're able to get all of our guys in during the midterms, we going to release all these documents. And if they, you know, win in the midterms, he'll release some of the stuff and it'll blow up on him. And if they don't win, he's going to blame the Democrats and say they are the reason why we're not getting the stuff released. It's basically just a card. It's a tool. So if you are a skeptic, I think you're probably on the money here. I don't think what's going to be released is going to be some type of declassified, undeniable proof of aliens. I could be wrong, and I reserve the right to be wrong, but I really don't think so. And if you are an alien truth, or if you're someone that got abducted by aliens, if you got put on a craft and you have trauma from this experience and you want to know what's actually going on and you want the government to actually disclose what's happening, I would implore you to be skeptical here as well, because I don't really think that this is going to be the moment that you're hoping for. I don't think this is going to be the release where you go, finally, we did it. We got the information. That's my suspicion. I just have low trust. And I mean, I think a lot of us have low trust. I mean, we're in a moment right now where institutional trust is at historic lows. I mean, people don't trust the government or the media. They don't trust experts. And after the last decade, I don't really blame anyone. You know what I mean? I mean, like going all the way back to the 60s, you have Vietnam, a massive issue, JFK, there's a weird kind of COVID up going on, less trust. I mean, you know, going to 2007, we're told like the economy's fine and then financial crisis, we're told that there's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. There aren't. And so, yeah, we're completely worn out. And even just if you look at the timeline of what's happened the last month, like Maduro was captured like what, 35 days ago, 40 days ago. It's crazy. Like we can't, like things are moving so fast that it's hard for us to even wrap our heads around what's happened in the last month. And I think again, this is probably on purpose. This is just flooding the zone. The plane is just getting flooded. There's so much stuff you can't consume all the information you're drinking out of a fire hose and you are completely just absorbed in this information flood. And the UFO files, in my opinion, are just an addendum to that. Now to me, are aliens visiting Earth? I don't know. I truly, I'm averse to certainty. I'm highly skeptical and to, you know, all the information that I've seen, it's. There's a lot of interesting stuff, but it's hard for me to fully make that leap now. Do aliens exist? Probably. I mean, are there recovered spacecraft, you know, at, you know, Los Alamos or Wright Patterson or something? It's just tough, but who knows? I'm open and I'm really curious. I'm excited by this type of thing and I think we should ask questions and hopefully one day we can get to the bottom of it. But again, I reserve my, my hesitancy, my hesitancy and my, my skepticism. So where do we go from here? Again, my suspicion is that we're going to have a couple. I think, I think the midterm thing is a really legit sort of theory. Now, according to an Italian newspaper on July 16, the Lespresso. Have you heard of this? This is like a very, it sounds like a prestigious Italian newspaper. I know.
