Nanny Gate, Leather Goods & Breastfeeding

Summary

Canal Street Dreams — Episode Summary

Episode Title: Nanny Gate, Leather Goods & Breastfeeding
Hosts: Eddie Huang and Natashia Perrotti
Release Date: June 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Canal Street Dreams sees Eddie Huang and Natashia Perrotti tackling the complex intersections of work, relationships, boundaries, and cultural identity—all wrapped up in the everyday messiness of parenting, running a restaurant, and pursuing creative dreams. The episode pivots around a recent marital dispute dubbed “Nanny Gate,” before meandering through topics like marital accountability, “reverse Oxford studies,” shopping for luxury goods, breastfeeding culture, and the invisible struggles of public personas. Throughout, the couple maintain their signature candor, humor, and a willingness to dissect even the most awkward moments in their partnership—offering listeners both genuine insight and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. “Nanny Gate”: Navigating Boundaries and Respect in Marriage

Starts 00:00

• Natashia recounts “Nanny Gate”:
  • The couple’s young, fun nanny, a Knicks fan, was at their restaurant Bauhaus to watch the game. While Natashia stayed home solo-parenting, Eddie stayed out, drank with friends, and posted a photo on the restaurant’s public account—with the nanny next to him, arm around him.
  • Natashia felt the public posting was disrespectful, not because the nanny was there, but because it didn’t consider her feelings or boundaries as a wife while she was absent:
    • “The disregard and disrespect to me as your wife—not even think like, should I post this photo of myself and our nanny drunk at 11 o’clock at night... That’s flagrant.” (Natashia, 03:00)
• Eddie’s defense:
  • Focused on Knicks fandom and restaurant business—claimed he wasn’t thinking about optics or Natashia’s perspective.
    • “I got my hand on the homie Dustin... I’m completely locked in this finals run. I’m not thinking about the nanny.” (Eddie, 04:02)
• Discussion of gendered perspectives and boundaries:
  • Natashia emphasizes accountability and autonomy.
  • Eddie eventually acknowledges the need to respect Natashia’s feelings and admits his “fault,” though not total agreement.
    • “You may not agree with something, but if you love somebody, you do it for them.” (Eddie, 07:36)
• Resolution:
  • Mutual understanding and apology, with Eddie vowing to be more considerate.
  • Hilarious banter about what’s warranted in a relationship, with Natashia asserting her backbone in the marriage.

Memorable exchange:

• “If I didn’t lock you out, I’d be a weak ass with no backbone, and I think that’s what you want.” (Natashia, 06:01)
• “I slept on the couch. That was me doing apology.” (Eddie, 09:01)

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2. Listener Q&A — Culture, Gifts & Intimacy

Starts ~10:07

a. Reverse Oxford Study: Interracial Partnership Dynamics

Chef Ray guest appearance, 10:17

• Chef Ray: Jokes about Eddie and Natashia’s relationship being a “reverse Oxford study” (white woman, Asian man).
• Natashia’s response:
  • Rejects feeling “colonized”; jokes about “securing the future with China win.”
  • Reflects on perceptions of multiracial identity—whether the mother or father is Asian impacts cultural engagement, though she doesn’t feel lacking in their case.
  • Discussion of shared cultural references (Mr. Chow, Aokis).
    • “The sentiment is: if your mom is Asian, you’re Asian, but if your dad is, you’re more engulfed in your mom’s culture. Which I don’t feel is true for us.” (Natashia, 11:24)

b. Eddie’s Maturity: Luxury Shopping & Reconciliation

Starts 13:39

• Amid their relationship dispute, Eddie and Chef Ray go luxury shopping to “make peace.”
• Eddie reflects on being “bound” mentally and emotionally by Natashia—growing into a partner willing to change and compromise.
  • “She like, bound my brain... Even when I disagreed, there’s nowhere for my brain to go. Buy leather goods. Because I have matured.” (Eddie, 14:28)
  • “I’d be really sad if I wasn’t with you.” (Eddie, 14:44)

c. Relationship Growth & Conflict

• Both hosts share vulnerable thoughts on conflict in relationships:
  • “You got to know the type of person you marry. If I feel disrespected, I’m not gonna be meek—I have too much to say.” (Natashia, 09:37)
  • “You’re the only person I’ve ever conformed my behavior for that I disagree with.” (Eddie, 13:30)
  • Natashia expounds on standing up for herself, being anything but meek.

d. Birkin Bag Question

19:09

• A listener asks when Natashia is getting a Birkin. Eddie playfully hints at surprising her, promising grand gestures as signs of affection.

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3. Breastfeeding, Boundaries, and Cultural Norms

Starts 19:56

• Deep listener question: “If a mom breastfeeds mostly because she enjoys it, is it sexual abuse?”
  • Both hosts draw a hard line: Enjoying the bond is natural, but “if you’re sexually enjoying it—yes, that’s weird, that’s abuse.”
  • “It’s weird to sexually enjoy any child... There’s something wrong.” (Natashia, 22:41)
  • Eddie distinguishes between emotional responses and harmful action—commending self-awareness but urging caution.
  • Eddie and Natashia flash their signature candid tone with humor about their own experiences—both as parents and as partners with lactation-related kinks.

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4. Making Farming “Cool” and the Value of Authenticity

Starts 24:17

• Listener wonders if their new farm project with a partner is “cool” and how to share it.
  • Hosts’ advice:
    • Do it for yourself—being “cool” comes from genuine passion, not others' validation.
    • Sharing authentically will connect you with like-minded people.
      • “If you think something’s cool, it’s cool. If you enjoy doing it, do it.” (Eddie, 25:16)

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5. Hidden Sides: What People Don’t Know About Eddie & Natashia

Starts 26:07

• Eddie on himself:
  • More introverted and sensitive than he appears; drained by socializing, happiest at home with Natashia.
    • “My best relationships are when I have an activity or hobby with someone.” (Eddie, 28:43)
• Natashia’s perspective:
  • She’s seen as intimidating, but values deep intimacy—cuddling, hand-holding more meaningful than sex.
  • Feels guilt/duty acutely, but lets it go in intimate moments before sleep.
    • “I think hand holding and cuddling is more intimate than sex.” (Natashia, 34:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On accountability in marriage:
  • “You may not agree with something, but if you love somebody, you do it for them.” (Eddie, 07:36)
• On personal change:
  • “She like, bound my brain... Even when I disagreed, there’s nowhere for my brain to go. Buy leather goods.” (Eddie, 14:28)
• On intimacy:
  • “When you’re on a good one with somebody—going to bed with you, the hour of cuddling before falling asleep… is the best.” (Eddie, 31:20)
• On cultural identity and partnership:
  • “I always get with the winning team... I secured my future with China about to win!” (Natashia, 11:02)
• On boundaries:
  • “If your kid’s a toddler and is like ‘I don’t want to breastfeed anymore’… that’s abuse if you’re forcing that.” (Natashia, 22:03)
• On “cool” projects:
  • “Wondering if other people think it’s cool is a waste of your time. If you think something’s cool, it’s cool.” (Eddie, 25:16)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 08:53: “Nanny Gate” — incident recap, marital boundaries, resolution
• 10:07 – 16:44: Listener Q&A Part 1 — Chef Ray, “reverse Oxford study,” luxury shopping
• 16:44 – 19:09: Relationship growth, making up, candid couple banter
• 19:09 – 22:49: Birkin bag question, breastfeeding boundaries
• 24:17 – 25:34: Making farming “cool”
• 26:07 – 36:08: Eddie & Natashia’s hidden traits, intimacy, vulnerable moments
• 36:08 – 40:25: On listening, acting, public perception, and media training

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Tone & Language

True to Eddie and Natashia’s voices, the tone throughout is raw, funny, vulnerable, at times profane, and always direct. Their banter alternates between playful digs, stark admissions of fault, and tender affirmations of love. No topic is off-limits, with both hosts willing to look messy, admit flaws, and talk openly about sex, family, and their deepest insecurities.

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Useful for Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode captures the Huang/Perrotti dynamic at its best: honest, kind of chaotic, and ultimately heartwarming. Whether you’re interested in creative partnerships, Asian American identity, married life, or just good storytelling about regular people making mistakes and growing through them, this is a masterclass in keeping things real—holding both laughter and insight in equal measure.

Transcript

[Eddie Wong]

All right. Welcome back, Canal Street Dreams. I am no longer locked out of the bedroom. We had a wonderful last two days. We're back. We are so back.

[Natasha Wong]

So back.

[Eddie Wong]

Natasha, I will give you the floor. Why don't you tell everybody what happened?

[Natasha Wong]

So what had happened was the Knicks are doing phenomenal, okay? They're on a run. It's amazing. Bauhaus is popping. It's a good place to watch the game. We had happened to invite our nanny to come watch the game.

[Eddie Wong]

You invited?

[Natasha Wong]

While I was here, While I was here with our son, I prepped the whole day. This was like, whatever. It was a week and a half ago. I don't know which game.

[Eddie Wong]

I'm sure this account is truthful.

[Natasha Wong]

You know, this account is truthful. We had prepped the whole day. We were like, senna's gonna take a nap. He's no longer taking naps for anyone interested. But we were like, he's gonna take a nap because the game starts at 8, and we're gonna have him out until, like, 10pm so. So our nanny is a huge Knicks fan. She's young. This isn't an older nanny. This is a young nanny that needs to be addressed. This is a young, fun nanny who's in the streets. She was watching all of the games at msg, like, at the Watch parties. Those ended. So we were like, why don't. I'm gonna be there. Sen is gonna be there. She was like, I have a birthday in East Village with my homegirl. We're gonna come by after. Great. Easy. Boom. We were all here having a good time. We were, you know, sending her and her homegirl some drinks, some bows, whatever they wanted. And then I took Senna home. It was a great night. Beautiful night. Nicks won. And then the next game rolled around, to which I did not invite her to Bauhaus, but it's a public space, which she's welcome at. She texted me, going to come by for the game. Are you in? Senna going. And I was like, ugh. We've been out all day at the park. He hasn't napped. We're running around like, we're probably not going to make it, but have so much fun. So again, I don't care. That doesn't bother me that she's going to come to Bauhaus. So I have now it's about, I don't know, 5pm the night goes on. I'm with our son at home, solo parenting, as I do most of the time by myself.

[Eddie Wong]

I solo pay bills most of the

[Natasha Wong]

time, he solo pays bills, but I solo parent and I also work and I also do the podcast. But anyways, so while I was at home, I put him to sleep. I'm like, thinking, okay, when is Eddie gonna come home? We haven't spoken. Hours go by. It's like 11:30, 12. And I see a picture posted.

[Eddie Wong]

This is 11. The game started at 8.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. But at this point, the picture's posted at 11:30.

[Eddie Wong]

11.

[Natasha Wong]

It's like 11:30. I could look it up.

[Eddie Wong]

You look it up.

[Natasha Wong]

Look it up.

[Eddie Wong]

Look it up, look it up.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah, it was about 11:30.

[Eddie Wong]

Let me see, three hours later, 10:46.

[Natasha Wong]

Okay, 10:46, 10:46. Whatever. It says 11:30 here. Our correspondence went up.

[Eddie Wong]

10:46, 10:46.

[Natasha Wong]

This man posts a photo outside of Bow House. Been drinking, drunk, clearly, with seven dudes. And our nanny directly next to him with her arm around him and, like, around on.

[Eddie Wong]

We're gonna show the photo.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah, we'll show the photo. Her arm was like this.

[Eddie Wong]

So you don't have to describe the photo because she was gonna come to their own conclusions. People will come to their own conclusion. I really hope they see this photo.

[Natasha Wong]

And here's the situation is I don't care that she was here and having a good time, and I don't even care that she was in the photo. What I care about is the disregard and disrespect to me as your wife. To not even think like, oh, should I post this public photo of myself and our nanny drunk at 11 o' clock at night when my wife isn't there? To the public Bauhaus account, I just think that's flagrant and has, like, clearly you didn't think of me, and clearly you don't give a fuck about my feelings is the message that I receive.

[Eddie Wong]

This is. And this is an important episode because I would like to show that the male and female brain, they're just not the same. Because clearly what she's not realizing is that the Knicks have not won a championship since 19, which I don't give a fuck about.73, because they suck 90 balls for before my dad shot the club up and I was born, okay? So since 1973, the Knicks have not won. What is at the forefront of my mind in this moment is just pure ecstasy. I'm playing Dipset for two hours in here with the homies. We're playing Dipset Champions off the Dame Dash mixtape. We all go outside to take a vote. I don't even know the name. Is there look at the photo. Everybody take a look at the photo. I got my hand on the homie. Dustin. My hand is on Dustin. I'm focused on Dustin. And I have a finger pointed to the camera, and that finger is being pointed at the next team that the Knicks play. I'm completely locked in this finals run. I'm not thinking about the nanny. The nanny is doing her own thing. God bless her. That's your employee. The nanny. I cannot control the nanny.

[Natasha Wong]

It's just crazy.

[Eddie Wong]

And also, the nanny pulls up in the photo. This is. This is a photo of me and my homies the night. The next one. So here's what should not pull up in the phone. The nanny needs to know.

[Natasha Wong]

Here is what Eddie's telling anything. He lacks all agency, he lacks all autonomy, and he lacks all accountability.

[Eddie Wong]

He is low EQ and low IQ at work. And on. It was on the personal Instagram.

[Natasha Wong]

Eddie Wong lacks accountability, lacks autonomy.

[Eddie Wong]

Operator and the chef. I'm. The third role I have at the restaurant is as your husband. My first role is operator. My second role is chef. I also run the social media account. And it's just, well, you failed as

[Natasha Wong]

my husband, so we'll see how the other ones go.

[Eddie Wong]

But I succeeded as the operator and chef. And a Knicks fan.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

I don't know. And then I got locked out. I got locked out of the house.

[Natasha Wong]

I think it was warranted. I think if I didn't lock you out, I'd be a weak ass with no backbone, and I think that's what you want.

[Eddie Wong]

No, it's not what I want. I just. I would like for you to just

[Natasha Wong]

not stand up for myself.

[Eddie Wong]

No. Just not center yourself in everything like.

[Natasha Wong]

Well, here's the thing. Here's the difference between you. I have autonomy, I take accountability, and I don't have a low eq.

[Eddie Wong]

When you post videos from pole dancing class, I'm not like, yo, what are you thinking? You're a mom.

[Natasha Wong]

Was I pole dancing on Chef?

[Eddie Wong]

I lay down on my back and I jerk off. That's what I do. I lay down on my back.

[Natasha Wong]

Okay, so next time I post a video and I'm pole dancing with Chef Ray, maybe it will be the same thing. But that's what I'm saying. It's. You're. You're telling me that the same thing when I'm posting a video of myself.

[Eddie Wong]

Why wait? Wow.

[Natasha Wong]

She's our employee. What you're. What you did was with our employee. That's your employee. So it is. It's not apples and Oranges. It's apples.

[Eddie Wong]

A customer.

[Natasha Wong]

She is a customer, but she's also our employee. She works for us.

[Eddie Wong]

So she's in a photo with people

[Natasha Wong]

while you're out drinking, while your wife isn't there with her arm around you. That's a little sash. And if you don't think that it is. I don't want to date you. I don't want to marry you, and I don't want to be in a relationship with you.

[Eddie Wong]

We went over, but then what. What has happened here is. This is what I have realized. I love you. I want to be here. I want to be in this family. So I am going to just. I'm eating it. My fault, My bad.

[Natasha Wong]

Accountability. Thank you so much. That's really all it takes.

[Eddie Wong]

You know what? I'm going to. This is what I would like for all the other people in relationship listening this pod to know. You may not agree with something, but if you love somebody, you do it for them. That's what I'm doing. I do not agree. I. I fundamentally do not agree. But I'm happy to do this, and I'm happy to never take a photo with.

[Natasha Wong]

With our nanny while you're out here, while you're drinking without your wife again. Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

If it were ever happened, I would just be like, hey, just boundary. I'm going to take this photo with the homies. Yeah.

[Natasha Wong]

There won't be a nice time. I'll put you at the. I'll put you at the base of a tree.

[Eddie Wong]

That is. That is on them. Because we do have to have boundaries here. I need to respect my wife while operating this restaurant and being the chef and calling my friends to come watch the Nick game.

[Natasha Wong]

100%. I'm gonna call Joshua.

[Eddie Wong]

Do not agree.

[Natasha Wong]

But I hope that my pole dancing class.

[Eddie Wong]

I hope that you see the gesture as me being like, you know what? You're more important than the Knicks or me operating or as a chef. I care how you feel. Will not happen again.

[Natasha Wong]

That's. That's it, man. Yes, that's it. I think relationships are that when you hurt somebody instead of saying, you're crazy, you're insane. How dare you have a feeling about this very legitimate thing that I did just say. Wow, I'm sorry I hurt you, and move on.

[Eddie Wong]

Wow, I'm sorry I hurt you.

[Natasha Wong]

Thank you so much for that very, very real apology that you meant from the bottom of your.

[Eddie Wong]

I slept on the couch. That was me doing apology. I slept on the couch.

[Natasha Wong]

No.

[Eddie Wong]

Apology ruined the week. And also, it's Just like, if I. If I could ask something. We have a lot going on. We're training the new gm.

[Natasha Wong]

Absolutely.

[Eddie Wong]

I'm still also operating here as a chef. I also have the book coming out in two weeks. Maybe. Maybe we can table any sort of World War III level grievance in the home for.

[Natasha Wong]

For tabled. But I think my grievances were fair, and I stand by that. But it's tabled, and it's squashed.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah. Wonderful.

[Natasha Wong]

I just think you got to know the type of person that you're. You marry. You know what I mean? Like, you know that I'm gonna fight, and if I feel disrespected, I'm not gonna. Like, when have. I'm not a quiet. I'm not a meek, quiet person. We could take it back to Summer House when we were watching Amanda sit on the couch and just, like, be annihilated. Like, could never be me. Could never be me. I have too much to say.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah. Which is why I'm just. I'm choosing to apologize, even though I don't agree on any level.

[Natasha Wong]

Okay.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah. Yeah. Let's. Should we do listener questions?

[Natasha Wong]

There's not that many.

[Eddie Wong]

There's not that many. Let's do a couple questions.

[Natasha Wong]

I'm gonna do. I'm gonna. I'm gonna do Chef Ray's question.

[Eddie Wong]

Good, good.

[Natasha Wong]

Okay.

[Eddie Wong]

Actually, since we have chef right here, why didn't Chef Ray just ask the question on the mic?

[Natasha Wong]

Okay. Yeah, ask the question. Ask the question live.

[Eddie Wong]

Come ask a question live. We love this. Jaden, if you have any questions, come ask a question. Please come over and ask a question. All right, here's Chef Ray's question.

[Chef Ray]

How do you feel about being a reverse Oxford study?

[Natasha Wong]

Wait, what?

[Chef Ray]

So an Oxford study is when, typically, a Caucasian man marries or dates an Oriental woman. So this is the Uno reverse, and I think it's pretty cool.

[Eddie Wong]

Yes. How do you feel?

[Natasha Wong]

Well, I feel two ways. Right. I feel.

[Chef Ray]

You feel colonized.

[Natasha Wong]

No, I don't feel colonized. I always get with the winning team. And we know. We know China's about to win, so I did do the. I secured my future and the future of my son, you know, in the fan. My family. But I do feel like two ways. Like, the same way in Jewish culture, they say, like, you're not Jewish unless your mom is. I feel like you're not, like, Asian enough as a Waysian, unless your mom is the Asian one. As what I've, like, heard from the collective. But then I. I've just, like, read That a lot online, like, people will be like, just like, whatever. Like, just in the zeitgeist of like, you know, Tik Tok and like Twitter and Instagram. Like, the sentiment is like, if your mom is Asian, you're Asian, but if your dad is the Asian one, like, you're going to. You're always just going to be predominantly more engulfed in your mom's culture, which I don't feel is true for us.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah, I think that especially with Chinese dads, like Mr. Chow, I would say all his kids is pretty Asian.

[Natasha Wong]

Are the, you know, the mothers not Asian? I don't know what his children. I didn't know that.

[Eddie Wong]

I believe so. And then the Aokis, like, what's it called? Beni Hana. His kids, I feel like they identify Asian, like, fair, you know, but for me. And I could be incorrect, but we will check. But I'm pretty sure Max is wian. Max Chow is wean.

[Natasha Wong]

Okay.

[Eddie Wong]

And Max very much, I feel like, is like, into Chinese culture.

[Natasha Wong]

I know Mr. Chow's current wife is white, but they have, like, a very young child, which would be like.

[Eddie Wong]

But he had. He had the other mom. Yeah, no, I think, you know, definitely growing up, it was like the Asian homies would be like, fetishizing dating white women. Right. There's a chapter of Fresh off the Boat called Pink Nipples. That's like shots of the pink nipples shout out pink nipples. Right? Was like, we got to see these things in person live. Because, like, I got the brown, I got the soy sauce shit. My got seafood, soy breath of the walk. The breath of the walk is on our nipples. And so I definitely was like, as a young kid, like, whoa, what's it like to, like, hook up with a white girl? First girl I hooked up with was a white girl, but then I dated a Taiwanese girl for seven years. And that was. That was cool. But like, ultimately for me, back to bodying yourself again? Yeah, ultimately for me.

[Natasha Wong]

He bound my foot for me.

[Eddie Wong]

It's just like, Natasha is just my person. Natasha is my person.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Honestly, I do think to. She's the only person I've ever conformed my behavior for. That I disagree with.

[Natasha Wong]

That's true.

[Eddie Wong]

I think that's really.

[Natasha Wong]

I recently did. While we were beefing, a funny thing happened. It was great. I know you were there. I just heard. I just heard you guys. I heard you guys went burger shopping while we were.

[Eddie Wong]

Ray, tell us about this. Tell us what happened.

[Chef Ray]

I just went to go get my fucking MacBook prepared for free shout out

[Natasha Wong]

to Eddie and Eddie was spiraling.

[Chef Ray]

And then we kind of just went from the Apple store and so to this whole block of. What are we at? Dior.

[Eddie Wong]

Ysl.

[Chef Ray]

Ysl.

[Eddie Wong]

Balenciaga, Loewe Bottega. We went in every store and. And it was funny. The sales reps were like, what are you looking for? I was like, I just need my wife to stop banging on me. Like, do you have a bag that will get my wife to stop banging on me? Like, I just need this to end. Like, that is the thing.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, Asian people, we bound foot. She, like, bound my brain.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Because even when I disagreed, there's nowhere for my brain to go. And I'm just like, buy leather goods. Buy leather goods. Buy leather goods. Because I have matured and gotten to the point in our relationship in my life.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Where I have to say, I would be really sad if I wasn't with you.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

I would be really sad.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

I just. I've never acknowledged that with anyone else. I don't talk to my mother. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't talk to my father. I don't talk to my youngest brother. Like, there are people where I'm like, I'm going to be better without communicating with you. And while it's a bummer, I do think I'm better off.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

With you, I've just had to acknowledge, like, it really sucks because I don't feel in control of my life at times, but I have to be with you. I love you, you know?

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. I love you, too.

[Eddie Wong]

It's. It's just. And I think that's what we sign up for when we do love, romance, relationships. And it's true vulnerability. It's like, if I agreed with everything and you agreed with everything, we.

[Natasha Wong]

That wouldn't be the relationship. Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Right. And it's like, even with Chef Ray, like, if. If I was working with a chef de cuisine who's just like, chef, you're a genius. Everything is so good. The food would be ass.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. It doesn't work.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, I disagree with Ray some today. I was like, why aren't we frying halloumi? He's like, I want to fry goat cheese. And I'm like, I really wanted halloumi. But you know what? I see why you're going for goat cheese. I see why you think goat cheese is more us. You know what? Let's go for it. And, like, that's what makes things great.

[Chef Ray]

Goat cheese.

[Natasha Wong]

I love goat cheese.

[Eddie Wong]

I love you. Like, honestly, that's why, like, we don't need to agree. And, like, I hope you get to this, but I'm just like, I don't need to agree. I don't. I don't need you to feel how I feel.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

I just want you to be happy.

[Natasha Wong]

Oh, same I do.

[Eddie Wong]

I want you to be happy. I love you. And even if we disagree, it's okay because I don't love you because we agree. I love you because you're you.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

I love you because you're crazy as.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah, I know.

[Eddie Wong]

You scared the out. You scare the out of everybody.

[Natasha Wong]

I know.

[Chef Ray]

I'm terrified.

[Natasha Wong]

I know. I always think of, like. I'm always so shocked by that sentiment when people are like, you're a little intimidating when I met you. And I'm like, I'm so sweet. And then I'm like, no, I'm not.

[Eddie Wong]

No.

[Natasha Wong]

Fucking cunt. No, Honestly.

[Chef Ray]

Yeah.

[Natasha Wong]

But it's okay. I'll. I own it. I take accountability for my shit.

[Eddie Wong]

But also, I've learned a lot and grown because, like, I had a therapist that was like, you tend to punish people in relationship. Me. But no one had done it to me besides my parents. Everyone else around me was kind of too shook.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

But with you, I get punished a lot. I'm in, like, I'm in time out a lot.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

And I'm like, oh, that doesn't feel good. And I now I remove it from my game.

[Natasha Wong]

And like, yeah, we're Spider man meme.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah.

[Natasha Wong]

We do a lot of the same.

[Eddie Wong]

And I learned by not liking what happens to me sometimes. And one of the cooks here, actually, Ibrahim, the other day, was saying something. I was like, ibrahim, do you feel like I'm punishing or. I'm like, a tough chef. He goes, no, I feel like when you have something to say, chef, you do it in conversation. Like, I conversate with them and I talk through it. Unless it's Jasper. Because Jasper, I'm just like, you trigger me. I'm gonna throw a bow at you.

[Chef Ray]

Shout out to that. Shout out to the flying.

[Natasha Wong]

I watched the reenactment, and I actually was like, I kind of like that. Like, I like that move.

[Chef Ray]

I think you need to bring a bow plate into the bedroom.

[Natasha Wong]

I would not mind getting a bow thrown at me in the bedroom.

[Eddie Wong]

I'm not doing it.

[Natasha Wong]

Not a bow, but, like, I don't know.

[Eddie Wong]

It's so funny, like, because when we met, too, you would be like, in the bedroom. You were, like, into being submissive and stuff.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

And I do my thing, but Like, I don't go as far as I think you prefer.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Because of what my dad used to do to my mom.

[Natasha Wong]

No.

[Eddie Wong]

Does that make sense?

[Natasha Wong]

For sure.

[Eddie Wong]

Yo, I like. I can't role play abusive, man. I don't do it. Yeah, I'll throw a bow. Jasper. I can't throw it at you is what I'm trying to say.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah, 21. It's 21. Inflation, baby.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah.

[Natasha Wong]

That's crazy. Yeah. No, we can't waste 21.

[Eddie Wong]

All right, next question. Next question.

[Natasha Wong]

Next question. This is.

[Eddie Wong]

Thank you, Chef. This is incredible.

[Natasha Wong]

Legitimate question. I am not making this up. This is a legitimate question. When is Natasha getting a Birkin? This is a real question.

[Eddie Wong]

Do you want the surprise blown?

[Natasha Wong]

No, no, no, no, no. Don't blow it. Okay. Someone said asking. Someone says, what's some. What's something someone really asked. I didn't make. I'm not making it up.

[Eddie Wong]

Someone said, you really think you're not getting it? And when you're gonna get this, you

[Natasha Wong]

are gonna like a surprise.

[Eddie Wong]

You. You know, there was a. There was a song. There's like, I can't remember which rapper said, it's like you about to feel the power of street knowledge. And I was like, when you get this, you are gonna understand I love you. Like, I know now you're going to understand. I know now I'm not even going to be like, I told you so. I'm just going to enjoy the rest of my fucking life.

[Natasha Wong]

It's going to be beautiful. We have two questions. One is an interesting one. I kind of want to go with this one to get the heat off of you for a second. If a mom breastfed her baby slash toddler, mostly because she enjoys it, is it sexual abuse? No, I.

[Eddie Wong]

He loves it. He still tries to breastfeed.

[Natasha Wong]

Well, the question is most. If. If they're doing it mostly because the mother is enjoying it. I think you have to define enjoy, because I. While I did not enjoy the actual physical sensation and feeling of it, because once your baby gets teeth, which happens, your kid can get teeth at three months. Like, Senna got teeth very early. It hurts. It doesn't feel good for most. Like, it. It hurts. Like, of course, you're more sensitive because you're breastfeeding all the time, but, like, I enjoyed the bonding, but I don't think that that's like, sexual abuse. I think that it's very natural. And I think that in most cultures, like, I see.

[Eddie Wong]

I see what she's. Or I see what this person is asking in that, like, if you, if your child. We're going to assume the child doesn't want to breastfeed or isn't that interested. I think that's what they're asking. If the child's not that interested in breastfeeding, but you're consciously, consciously doing it because you enjoy it. I could see that as a sexual abuse. I can see that. I could agree with.

[Natasha Wong]

I could for sure. As a child gets older. I think that as the only thing I will say is that, like, when your infant is born in the hospital. And like, at least my experience, I've heard the complete opposite, but my experience was like, I was very pressured into breastfeeding. I didn't know what I wanted to do either way. I said that from the beginning. I was like, I don't know if I'm going to breastfeed. I don't know. I'm going to formula feed. I don't know. I'm just going to see what happens. Breastfeeding was very easy for me. It came very easy. But the nurses were, like, very pushy to do it. They didn't want me to formula feed. They were like, keep going, keep going, keep trying, keep trying, keep trying. And I think that, like, if you have a doula or if you have a midwife, that maybe, if you have

[Eddie Wong]

a doula, make sure she charges her car the day you're going to deliver your child.

[Natasha Wong]

Yes. But I think you will be told as a mom that, like, and I don't agree with this, but if you can breastfeed, do it and keep trying. And there's lactation specialists and there's all these things. So while your baby is an infant. Yeah. I think if your kid's a toddler and is like, I don't want to fucking breastfeed anymore. Like, if your kid can talk, yeah, that's abuse. If you're, like forcing that on them. But I think when you have an infant and you keep trying, you're really trying to do this thing because you think that it's good for your child and you want to bond with them and, like, you want that.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah. Her question is, like, if you're sexually enjoying.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah, I think that that's weird.

[Eddie Wong]

Yes, that's weird.

[Natasha Wong]

That's odd. Point blank.

[Eddie Wong]

That's straight up odd.

[Natasha Wong]

It's weird to sexually enjoy any child. And I think that you need to explore. Explore something deeper than just breastfeeding. I think that there's something wrong.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah, you gotta, you gotta draw the line there. If you're like, if you're even getting horny doing it, like, you may need to. I don't know.

[Natasha Wong]

Or even just to, like, think of this question feels odd to me. Do you know what I mean?

[Eddie Wong]

I like the question. I like the question.

[Natasha Wong]

But I think for even your mind going there.

[Eddie Wong]

Here's the thing is, like, I don't think people need to be ashamed. I think this shows self awareness. This shows self awareness. You cannot control what turns you on. What you can control is behavior and action. So, like, I actually think it's very cool if this person is like, yo. Acknowledging and being aware that I'm sexually turned on by my child feeding on my chest.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

The child seems to not be interested. Is this bad behavior? Yeah, they're actually asking the right question.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. And also, like, your adult partner can also do that for you, like, if that's what turns you on.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, the other day, Senna was licking my arm and I was like, dude, stop, stop, stop. This is weird. Weird. Like, I don't like this.

[Natasha Wong]

No. Sometimes he'll try to, like, mouth kiss me, and I'm like, don't make out with me. Like, I don't want to make out.

[Eddie Wong]

As a parent, I think you're. You got to be responsible. Be like, yo, bro, I know you have these weird urges, but we gotta chill.

[Natasha Wong]

Totally.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah, chill. I will say I did. Like, when you were lactating, that shit was fire.

[Natasha Wong]

It was hot for us. Like, it was like. I thought it was hot.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, if you're on top and there's just milk dripping from the ceiling, I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like. I was like, Lil Wayne, no ceilings. Like, oh, oh, no.

[Natasha Wong]

I think it's hot.

[Eddie Wong]

There's milk coming from the ceiling.

[Natasha Wong]

For sure. I mean, I just had, like. No, I just totally. I had shot is on during service. And there's like, fully a scene that I forgot in the beginning of that movie. Like, they're at a party and some girl just takes her titty out and they're like, sucking on her titty. Like, literally, they're like, breastfeeding from her. And I was like, yeah, that is hot. Like, for adults to do. But, like, not with your child, please. Yeah, this. I like this question a lot. Is it possible for farming to be cool again or just wholesome? I started a farm with my boyfriend because we like quality ingredients. Not sure how to talk about the project. Sos so it seems like this person started a farm with her boyfriend and they're not sure if that's cool. And or like how to get the message about them doing this and like liking high quality ingredients to the world. How do you get that message out in a cool way?

[Eddie Wong]

Okay, I, I, my, I would say I think gardening is cool, but I think asking and wondering if other people think is cool. Waste of your time. Yeah, absolutely. Waste your time. If you think something's cool is cool.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

If you enjoy doing it, do it.

[Natasha Wong]

And like totally.

[Eddie Wong]

The way to get the word out is just to share your passion for this thing. Yes. I think it's really important when doing a craft, a hobby, something you love. No one needs to be in your head in that space when you're doing it. That is for you.

[Natasha Wong]

Totally. And I think the more authentic you are and the way that you share what you think is cool with the world. Excuse me. The right people will come. The people that also are like minded and that think that is cool and are interested in looking for that will find it. Because if that's your natural inclination, you're going to gravitate towards those spaces or somebody's going to put you on or somebody's going to send you like whatever it's going to be in your sphere whether you're liking it or not. But this is a good one. What's something we don't know about both of you?

[Eddie Wong]

Okay, what do you think people don't know about me? And then I'll say about you.

[Natasha Wong]

Okay, I think people, I mean, I know people know how intelligent you are, but I don't think they know like you're real. And I hate to say it because it's not true all the time, but I think that there's like a version of you that is just very intelligent and sensitive and like maybe not so extroverted or outgoing. And I think a lot of people don't see that version of you know or know that like while you are so approachable and like giving energetically, I think that you're most yourself truly like when you're getting to be introverted and writing and just like being tapped into your more sensitive side. And I think that the things that really matter to you are not what people would assume.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah, I have to get up to like go out and the old me, you know, when I was like partying and doing, if I was gonna go out one night, I could not do anything during the day. I had to save up all my energy. I'll probably sleep between like 5 and 9 o' clock and then go out. And that was the only way for me to do it because, like, talking to people, being around, it really drains me. I am my best self. Couch rotting, Watching sports at home, writing, hanging with you. And. Yeah, I think the extrovert thing is like a. It's like a mask that I use to, like, get through life and get through the world, I guess. I. I'm funny. People enjoy being around me, and I'm like, all right, if you want to hang out, I'll get it together. I'll find the energy. I'm gonna come hang out because I do really like people. I just get my feelings hurt easy, I think.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

I think I'm really sensitive. I think I get my feelings hurt and, like, it's draining when you get your feelings hurt and you still got, like, three hours out.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

With the homies, that's. This is me being honest.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Little. Little things will hurt my feelings and drain me. And I'm like, oh, fuck, don't think about it, you know?

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. Yeah. I would say that definitely you're more introverted than. I think a lot of people and I think. Yeah. And are, like, genuine, like, day to day lives. When we're not working, the. The preference is to be home, like, cozy on the couch. Like, we're not. We don't go out and, like, party. If we do, it's work. Like 100. It's work related. Like, when we go out and get a drink, it's so funny. We're, like, looking at each other at 10pm and we're like, can we leave? Yeah, like, please. We're looking at each other like, can we go now? Like, we're not two adults that can make that decision.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, my best relationships are when I have an activity or a hobby with someone and we're doing something, we're building something, and we get to do it and then, like, hang, like, get a meal after.

[Natasha Wong]

Yes.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, if I. If I go box with Harold and get lunch, that's my, like, ideal afternoon. If Chef Ray and I work on some shit and then go eat somewhere after it. Like, ideal.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Sean. We go to the baths and talk about writing. Go eat. Like, that's what I really enjoy is, like, we have a craft that we can talk about, and through that conversation, you reveal things and I reveal things, but we can both pretend like it's not about each other. But it is. That is cute to me.

[Natasha Wong]

Yes.

[Eddie Wong]

That is to me, my favorite style of friendship.

[Natasha Wong]

I agree. I think that you're in the way that I observe you. Like, you. And I've seen it before too. It's like, someone may not even be the best at something, but you will choose to do it with them because you want to bond with them. So, for instance, like, if you're producing a movie, you'll choose this person to, like, make the deck or do the wardrobe or whatever it is. And I'll be like, that person kind of sucks at that. What the are you doing? And then I'm like, oh, no, no. You just want to do something creative with this person because you love them. And you yourself, you know, you can probably do it, but, like, you're just wanting that.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah.

[Natasha Wong]

That feeling of we just created something and now we can go celebrate.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah. Making art, doing business to me is like kids playing basketball.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

And I'm always just like, yo, I love that person. It's, let's write a script together, you know? And, you know, it is my way of bonding. I really enjoy it. And I love the guys here. Like, it's. It's the best time, for sure. I think the thing about you, I would say. I fear this is too intimate, but I'm gonna share because I think it is really, really cool.

[Natasha Wong]

Okay.

[Eddie Wong]

I think my favorite thing about you that nobody knows besides, I think anyone that you've been, like, really close in partnership with or one of your, like, really close girls, is that, like, when you're on a good one with somebody going to bed with you, the hour of cuddling before falling asleep is the absolute best time with you. Yeah, it's the best. Because I think you walk through the world with a lot of guilt and a lot of duty, and I don't think people realize it. And I don't even talk to you about this.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

But I know it. You're really have a sense of responsibility, have a sense of duty. Little, little things that shouldn't even make you guilty, make you feel guilty. You feel like you need to perform for people. You feel like you owe people a lot of shit. And like, that cloud weighs over you all day. I can't wait for the day that cloud just disappears.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

But the time of day, each day it disappears is right before you fall asleep. And it's like when I scratch your back and we cuddle and we're not just cuddling. It's like foot cuddled. The legs are intertwined. There's hand. It's like the head is in a spot. Like we're locked in. Like a race car driver in a Ferrari.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

You know, like, it's like this.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. I love to cuddle.

[Eddie Wong]

I remember the first Time it happened, I was like, whoa, this is really special. Like this, this woman, like really wants to be in relationship in the most physical, intimate, spiritual way. And I love it because I'm the same. It's just like this painting. Like I do everything like this dude, honestly, like I'm up in there horsepower, baby. And I remember your friend at the time, a one letter name.

[Natasha Wong]

Yes.

[Eddie Wong]

Was like, oh my God, Last night you like cuddled me in your sleep so hard. Do you remember that? And I was like immediately jealous because I was like, does she do this with everyone? And I, I asked you because I was like, do you really cuddle me because you like love me or do you do that with everybody? Like, you just need like a body there. And it was probably the most, I think raw and jealous, I think I've ever been. And it was so funny because it's like, usually I'm gonna stereotype here. I understand. I'm stereotyping. Understand. Usually it's like the women I've dated or been with, been like, do you do this with everybody? And you're the first one was like, I really need to know that you did that only with me or with other guys that you were close with.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Or other women you were in a relationship with. Because you just do that with like anyone who's in the bed with you. I would be really upset.

[Natasha Wong]

No, no, I just love cuddling. Like, I think it's. I think it's like, I don't would never do it with everybody for sure. Factually, my true, honest answer is I don't cuddle everybody that way.

[Eddie Wong]

I guess she was your best friend at the time.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah, she was my best friend at the time. When like we, as best friends, you go on trips together, you share a hotel room, you share a bed, you share a room at a Hampton's house, you share a bed. Like just many instances like that. Or even you just like crash at your girlfriend's house and you sleep in their bed. It's not weird, it's just like, yeah, girls cuddle.

[Eddie Wong]

Girls cuddle.

[Natasha Wong]

But no, I think for me, and I've always said this, like hand holding and cuddling is I think more intimate than sex.

[Eddie Wong]

And I will say that about people is like, people will be like, why did you even try to date Natasha? Like, she seems to have such a, like hard wall. Or like you can be, as you said, C word. The thing that I've always known about people is if you're guarding it that hard and if you're putting up the wall that high. There's a really nice person behind that thing.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah, for sure.

[Eddie Wong]

There's a really, really nice person who's just scared of being hurt, but, like, probably.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Wants to be seen.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. But I don't think even. I think sometimes, like, you and I are both same. I think, like, you're better than at it than I am because you've had to, like, you're a public person, so I think you've had to be aware of, like, okay, how am I being perceived right now? Because you don't want to come off a certain way. Like, even if it's just like your resting personality. Like both of our resting personalities. And I know this because when my mom's around, my mom is a golden retriever. Like, we're both like black cats. We're just like, if I'm just home and, like, resting, like, I'm not giving you anything. Like, if I'm just at a restaurant eating or something, like, I. I'm just. I'm not. Like, I probably do look like a. I probably do look like I have a hard wall up. I don't. But that's just how it would appear to people, I think. And I think that gets confused.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah. What's cool is at home, as soon as you're done with all your stuff, we do always hang out.

[Natasha Wong]

Oh, yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, I never feel like you're a black cat in the house.

[Natasha Wong]

No, I just mean that, like, my. I guess my resting. Like, even if you were to walk into Bauhaus and like, I'm in the middle of doing something, like, you might think, oh, I don't want to, like, bother her.

[Eddie Wong]

She looks.

[Natasha Wong]

She looks tense. But I'm like, no, no. Like, me relaxing looks tense to most people. I'm just a serious ass bitch.

[Eddie Wong]

You know what's really funny is. So after season one of Wong's World, Spike Jones sat me down and we went through footage and he goes, eddie, I need you to work on your listening face. I was like, a listening face. He goes, look. Look at these clips. When people are talking, your. Your mind is going. It's triggering you. You're curious. You're thinking about what's next. And you're, like, waiting to say your response, waiting to follow up, waiting to take the conversation in a direction. And he's like, I know you're listening because what you're saying after shows comprehension. But you're on camera, brother. He's like, you need to show listening. You need to communicate to the audience. Listening.

[Natasha Wong]

This is what they Mean by media trained, you work on your, like, active listening body.

[Eddie Wong]

I think it's even more like actors. Actors, like, actors communicate silently through film and television. And so you worked with me on it, and I started to just, like, do a listening face. And it actually really helped me. Because performing listening, ultimately, if you. If you're not a sociopath, becomes actually learning how to listen.

[Natasha Wong]

I was gonna say it feels maybe like, it might be meditative. Like, if you're, like, if you're focusing your attention on listening, it's almost like how you meditate. Right. Like, you focus your attention on listening to yourself.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah.

[Natasha Wong]

So if you're focusing on listening to somebody else, I imagine that could be like, a. A bit of that mental state as well.

[Eddie Wong]

And I had acted before, but I had never, like, taken it super serious or, like, appreciated it in the way, like, a thespian would. But after really working on that for all of season two of Wong's World, paying attention to the edit, I started to be like, oh, I see why acting is really cool for people. Or at least what I found cool about it was if you aspire to something like being a better listener, performing, listening, you ultimately can get there. Yeah, the performance of the thing can be the way you learn it.

[Natasha Wong]

Totally.

[Eddie Wong]

And I thought that was very cool.

[Natasha Wong]

It's like, fake it till you make it or dress for the job you want.

[Eddie Wong]

And then on the other side, I was like, now I can also see how certain roles drag people to hell because you start to embody the character, start to think that way, start to, like, you know, take on that spirit. It's got to be hard to get out of there.

[Natasha Wong]

I mean, I feel like if I watch a movie and I, like, really, like, I am connected to, like, the movie that I'm watching, like, I walk out of that theater with a new personality. Like, I am now the purse. I am now whatever character I connected to for, like, 48 hours.

[Eddie Wong]

And it gave me tremendous respect for actors. And why, when you work with actors, it can seem, like, very neurotic and anxious. It's like, yo, they're giving themselves up to this thing.

[Natasha Wong]

If my job every day was to be somebody else, I don't think I would be.

[Eddie Wong]

Well, my mind, it's one of the hardest jobs ever.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah. That's why people are always like, oh, my God, what a life. What to complain about? I'm like, the lack of structural identity and boundaries with anybody ever. The parasocial relationship everybody has to you and the characters that you play that aren't even you and the traits that are projected and associated onto you.

[Eddie Wong]

Like, and then you get criticized for how you did it. Like.

[Natasha Wong]

Yeah.

[Eddie Wong]

Most actors you meet are like, they have PTSD and they're carrying a lot. Totally.

[Natasha Wong]

Like, imagine you're, like, sitting there. You're not good enough at playing pretend. It's like, Jesus Christ. Like, what the.

[Eddie Wong]

It's crazy.

[Natasha Wong]

You're not good enough at imaginary play.

[Eddie Wong]

Yeah. My perspective. People don't have enough perspective on what actors do is really difficult.

[Natasha Wong]

So difficult. Totally. Should we leave it there?

[Eddie Wong]

I feel like that is a good place to end. Wonderful episode.

[Natasha Wong]

Beautiful.

[Eddie Wong]

Wonderful. Fantastic.

[Natasha Wong]

Love you, love you, love you, love you, love you. And shout out to our nanny. I love her. She's not getting fired. She's the.

[Eddie Wong]

She would never be fired. She's the best.