The Kid Mero on Canal Street Dreams - Canal Street Dreams

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[00:00]
Eddie Huang
Canal Street Dreams. We back. My man. My homie of almost 15 years now.
[00:06]
Miro
Go back like a durag flap, you know what I'm saying?
[00:09]
Eddie Huang
The kid Miro is in the building. My G man.
[00:12]
Miro
Oh, man.
[00:12]
Eddie Huang
From Victory Light till now, we've been homies, dog.
[00:16]
Miro
Shout out to you because a lot of people don't realize Victory, like, if you just get him to Victory, like the podcast, bro, it's this. I'm closing the loop with the podcast because. And like, with the production and all that. Because as Eddie knows, Victorylet was a blog that I was writing. Blog spot, blog spot, blog spot that I was writing when I was very angry, you know what I'm saying? I was very broke.
[00:40]
Eddie Huang
You was a middle school teacher.
[00:41]
Miro
Middle school teaching, you know what I'm saying? May or may not have had a firearm, you know what I'm saying? Not gonna confirm nor deny, but we was not, you know what I'm saying? It was just like, yo, I still.
[00:52]
Eddie Huang
Remember you showed up to the Fresh off the boat book session signing, like the. The initial launch of the book, and you were wearing a steep tech and you found old pills in the steep.
[01:06]
Miro
Triple stack. Ferraris.
[01:08]
Eddie Huang
You found ancient press pills in the steep tank.
[01:13]
Miro
Allegedly.
[01:14]
Eddie Huang
Allegedly. Allegedly.
[01:16]
Miro
Yo, but yeah, bro, like, it was. That's what. That's what. That's. That's the type of time is. Oh, man.
[01:21]
Eddie Huang
But she get me so hyped too, because you were on blog spot and all. All of us knew it as, oh, that dude with the fish giving the shark the Xanas. And then now I'm seeing you on TV with the mayor, dog. Like the future mayor, you know what I'm saying?
[01:34]
Miro
Like, crazy.
[01:34]
Eddie Huang
You came up, bro. You came up. I love seeing this, yo, not to.
[01:39]
Miro
Sound like, you know, corny like, or like Beyonce, but God is real. God is real.
[01:45]
Eddie Huang
Yo, I was watching the. When he won the prime, and I turned to her, I go, yo, I actually know the homie with the mayor right now. I never thought I would ever have a plug to, like a mayor. I'm like, yo, Miro's there a good one too's there.
[01:58]
Miro
We there, Come on.
[02:03]
Eddie Huang
I was like, yo, I'mma ask me if I could borrow some money on the pod, bro.
[02:09]
Miro
I'm like, I hit you with the like, yo, I'm broke, baby.
[02:12]
Eddie Huang
I love seeing this too. And cuz, also, we've been. We've been homies this whole time. And it's like, I have a lot of homies that did the crabs in a barrel shit and it's just like, man, I like to see homies win. Win, bro. You, Kareem, everybody. I'm like, everybody win, man.
[02:27]
Miro
And I was. It's crazy that you mentioned Kareem, because I was talking to Kareem, and I was just like, man, I was like, the way media is, bro, we both graduates of Vice Community College, you know what I'm saying? So we understand media in a way that a lot of these new casts don't. You know what I'm saying? Like, the TV versus the digital shit that's going on now, and, like, you know what I mean? I feel like we are positioned, like, me, you people, like Kareem are, like, positioned in a way to. To take advantage of that shit.
[02:59]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Because we've also hit every bucket and.
[03:01]
Miro
Then came back around movie, tv, digital, everything. Like, yo, what's next? You know what I'm saying? Like, what's the next shit? So. But yeah, not talking to Kareem, he was just like, man, he's just like, damn, dog. Like, the media landscape is so shitty, dog. Like, I'm trying to sell a show and, like, don't, like, it's. It's. It's a pain in the ass, bro. It used to be, like, back in the day, like, I started doing this shit, like, 08 09, where it was like, yo, the plan is write a good show.
[03:28]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[03:29]
Miro
Get 100 episodes, get into syndication, buy a fucking yellow Porsche and just fucking ride off into the sunset. I'm like, this is the blueprint. I was like, yo, you get a fucking sitcom on Atlanta Network and Pune, you out of here, bro.
[03:44]
Eddie Huang
I was out there like Chinese David Duchovny in the yellow Porsche, just doing dumb, living in Malibu, yo.
[03:50]
Miro
You know, that's what it is. That's. That was the old, like, the old blueprint.
[03:54]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[03:54]
Miro
And then, like, in the midst of it, like, you was one of the first dudes to be like, yo, bro, hold on, hold on, hold on. This shit is fucking crazy.
[04:01]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[04:01]
Miro
Like, yo, yo, I gave, like, y' all got me to. For me, and now y' all want to make me be not me. You know what I'm saying?
[04:08]
Eddie Huang
Which is.
[04:08]
Miro
Which was like, kind of like the. When. When I. When I did from Vice to Showtime, it was a lot of that.
[04:14]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[04:14]
Miro
Corporate, yo. A lot of. I don't know. Can you.
[04:20]
Eddie Huang
They call it hand wring.
[04:22]
Miro
Yeah. Listen, so how about instead of saying free Palestine, we say, you know, peace in the Middle East.
[04:30]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[04:30]
Miro
You know, how about we say that?
[04:32]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Did they have you on that ILY Coffee campaign. Advice. So they had the ILY Coffee money, and they were asking all of us who want to do ILI Coffee? And they were like, you can do this ad and hashtag write any motivational phrase that you want to say. So I said, all right, cool. I did the ILY Coffee ad. They filmed it in my house. They go, the day of the launch, just put illy coffee. Hashtag start your day. Hashtag any cost. And I put free Palestine. And they. Five minutes later, everyone, advice. Take it down.
[04:59]
Miro
Take it down.
[05:00]
Unknown
Take it out right now.
[05:00]
Eddie Huang
I was like, yo, you said I could put any phrase I wanted in there. And this is. And it's vice. And they let me keep the money. They were just like, do not participate in this campaign. Shout out Elite Coffee.
[05:13]
Miro
Shout out to Ellie.
[05:14]
Unknown
Shout out Ellie Coffee.
[05:15]
Eddie Huang
Hashtag wake upgrade. Hashtag free palace.
[05:18]
Miro
And that's. But that's the crazy shit, bro. You. In my mind. I was like, because, you know, like, we're men of a certain age. You know what I'm saying? Like, we know Vice as the magazine that don't give a fuck.
[05:29]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[05:29]
Miro
You know what I'm saying? And, like, I went into it thinking that, like, because I'm coming from MTV.
[05:33]
Eddie Huang
Viacom, that was just some shit to chop coke on, you know? Like, that people just doing coke on that magazine. I never read the shit. This is a wild magazine of naked white people.
[05:42]
Miro
This is just crazy. Like, yo, what the fuck? I'm like, yo, there's a dude in lingerie on the COVID But, yo, chop.
[05:48]
Eddie Huang
It up, chop it up.
[05:49]
Miro
Chop the shit. Chop. But it's free at Tower Records. So I'm taking 20 of these shits, bro. Like, fuck it. But, like, that was like. That's the mentality I went into it with. Like, oh, this is not corporate. This is like, yo, we could do whatever the fuck we want. We could say freedom.
[06:02]
Eddie Huang
I thought it was the source magazine for white people. And I thought Shane was Benzino. I was just like, all right, cool. You know, like, you be all right over here. But they were mad corporate, and they robbed everybody, bro. How much money they owe you?
[06:15]
Miro
But, yo, fam, listen. Yeah, listen. Love is invoicing, y'. All. Y' all got, like, 30 invoices for me that I need back. You know what I'm saying? Well, I don't need them back, but, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Get, bro, I fought them in the bank, Goldberg. You know, I went.
[06:29]
Eddie Huang
I fought them in the bankruptcy and got my show Back.
[06:32]
Miro
That's. That's what you got to do now. Yeah, that's what you got to do now because, like. And a lot of people don't realize this. Shout out to Victor. Victor went out to go. Shout out Victor to go for a jock or some. Eat Chia Seed, because that is healthy. He was the one that was just like, yo, bro. Like, this is not sustainable. Like, early on, he was just like, every time they got a round of funding, he's like, I'm from the street. So I'm like, oh, they got money, bro. Like, we about to come up. He's like, bro, that's a loan. Yeah, like that. They're going to have to pay that back.
[06:58]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[06:58]
Miro
And these motherfuckers ain't making no money at all.
[07:01]
Eddie Huang
They were saying, like, value this. Yeah.
[07:04]
Miro
All of the headlines were like, $5 billion. I was like, what the fuck? We up here smoking weed in the. In the garden?
[07:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. I looked at it as it says five. I was like, that means we got to make five, Billy. And if you looked at the people at the. I was like, we not making those. We're not making 5 billion.
[07:21]
Miro
Yeah, bro. Unless y' all keep this sweatshop downstairs running.
[07:23]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[07:24]
Miro
It's gonna take 15 years to make this back, bro. Like, y' all are tweaking. You laughing because you know that is true. They had them in the edit bay, bro. Like, yeah, like, that was all, like, a black site.
[07:35]
Eddie Huang
It was crazy. They were just gambling because they weren't hitting the metrics and they weren't even earning back on the money they took. So they were like, but let's just take more bread.
[07:44]
Miro
Fuck it.
[07:44]
Eddie Huang
Let's take more bread, yo. Yeah, yo.
[07:47]
Miro
I mean, somebody. I ain't going to hold the bag. Fuck it, somebody else will.
[07:50]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. And they would announce it, like, we made money, but it was really just like the dude going to the ATM at Vegas. Like, I'm going to need another two bills.
[07:57]
Miro
Yeah, I'm going to get. I'm going to get out this hole today. It's my lucky day, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, listen, I'm putting everything on eight black because Paul George just signed with the Sixes, and he's black and his number's eight. It's gonna work, bro.
[08:11]
Eddie Huang
I went. I went with. With Shane to the Mayweather Pacquiao fight. This dude lost a half million dollars within the first hour. We were there playing with Paul Pierce, fam. No, I went.
[08:21]
Miro
This took. It was. It was. It was. It was some Type of fight. I remember the first week I got there, because you know me, bro. I don't close mouth, don't get fed, bro. I'm like, yo, yo, yo, yo. I need this. This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. Yeah, so I seen him, and you know that building was small, bro, because I'm coming from Viacom, where you can't even. Bro, if I walked within 10ft of, like, an executive's door, secretary was like.
[08:48]
Eddie Huang
Yo, yeah, you got zapped immediately.
[08:50]
Miro
Like. Like, offensive. Like. Like blocking, bro. Like, left guard. Like, yo, I'm just trying to talk to homie. Like, thank you. Nasty. And. But, fam, with Vice, it was just like, yo, I just walk up in there, so I seen this dude coming in. I seen Shane Kim in the building, and it's. That's. They just announced it, like, yo, dude, merrow, blah, blah, blah. So I'm just like, yo, fam. I was like, yo, let me tell you something. I was like, let me tell you something. I was like, I know this shit is gonna pop, bro, because my podcast is lit. I know this shit is gonna pop off. Ain't nobody doing no shit like this. I need you to tell, because I know how you move. If this shit does well, I need a PJ flight to a prize fight. And he was just like. Put his hand out.
[09:27]
Eddie Huang
He's like, which fight he take you to?
[09:30]
Miro
No doubt. I'm trying to remember. It was. Was it Pacquiao? I think it might have been the same joint.
[09:35]
Eddie Huang
Oh, really?
[09:36]
Miro
No, it was Chavez. I got the ticket in my crib, bro, because I remember going there and going to dinner with this dude, right? And we sitting there, and it's like, Maverick Carter, like two dudes from Google. And I'm sitting next to him dressed like this. These are all. These motherfuckers.
[09:54]
Eddie Huang
Take you to that steakhouse with the A5 Kobe. Yeah, yeah. He running the same game on all. He's like, diddy, bro. You know what I'm saying? He running the same game on everyone. It's like the same lotion and everything.
[10:05]
Unknown
You guys got the baby oil.
[10:08]
Eddie Huang
He grease you up with that a 5 wagyu.
[10:11]
Miro
Yo, so he's like, talking to me, and he's just like. He's like. You know, my father used to say. I'm like, damn. I was like, I'm high as boy. Like. Like, this is not the time for this conversation. I'm just trying to eat. Like, what are we doing here? And he's just like. My father used to say, life is A sandwich. The more bread you got, the less you gotta eat. And I was just like, gotta make some sense. I was like, all right, that's a bar. And then he's just like. And then it was like some James Bond shit. Like, four shorties appear out of nowhere. They call them atmosphere models nowadays. Back in the days, we used to just say, you sound.
[10:49]
Eddie Huang
She was calling them atmosphere models, too.
[10:52]
Unknown
I was gone.
[10:53]
Miro
That's a very creative way to be. Like, yo, I sell. You know what I'm saying? But, like, five shorties appear out of nowhere. Like, we walk through this crazy hallway.
[11:02]
Eddie Huang
And the atmosphere changed.
[11:03]
Miro
Sh. Atmosphere changed. We walked past this room.
[11:06]
Unknown
It's like the baby oil is floating.
[11:07]
Miro
Asian motherfuckers in there playing mahjong, smoking cigarettes back to back. Like, I seen chip colors I'd never seen before in my life.
[11:13]
Eddie Huang
Damn, bro, your trip was much better than mine, bro.
[11:17]
Miro
Bro, I walked out of there, and I was just like, this is crazy, bro. Like, this whole situation is crazy. Steve Stout walked in out of nowhere. I'm like, what kind of fucking who's the man? Sitcom ass shit is this, bro? Like, just random niggas walking through. Like, yo, hey. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, I don't got the bread that y' all got. Not even close. I got, like. I got orthodontist money, bro. Like, I got successful orthodontist money at this point in my career. So I'm just like, yo, I'm not throwing five bands on the table in Blackjack. So he does it. He's just like, yo, here, have some fun for once in your fucking life.
[11:48]
Eddie Huang
Shout out Eddie Murdy. Eddie Muradi threw me, like, five GS and chips. And I was like, I'm not above picking up a crumb off the table, bro. I'm taking five GS only. That's five GS, right?
[11:57]
Miro
So. But as a gambler, I was just like. He threw it. And I was just like, all right, bro, I'm gonna play it. But I'm not gonna play it for real, because I'm like, in my head, I'm like, whatever. I run up, I'm gonna have to go pay taxes, do paperwork. All this shit, bro, if this was a brick and I got 50 bands, tuck it. I'm tucking it and I'm out. That's great, but this is, like, taxes and government shit. So, like, I'm playing it stupid. I'm doubling down, yo. Hit me. I'm 20. Hit me. Bang, Ace, boom, bong. Bong, bong, bong, bro. I like 80 bands.
[12:24]
Eddie Huang
Wow.
[12:25]
Miro
Then I'm like, yo, this is a different trip, bro. Boom. 30 on one hand. L. It's. Now I'm at 50. 1001. L. Another 10. Now I'm back at 50. He's like. And then he looks at me, he's like, you might want to cash out before you lose everything. And I was just like, yeah, I was like. I was like, like, this is your money, bro. Like, I ain't taking this, bro. And I said the same, like, I'm gonna pay taxes on this, bro. Not that. Like, I appreciate you. Whatever, whatever. Then he goes, just random white guy, just have him cash it out on my account. And I was like, what, bro? I left out of there with 50 bands. And then I called my wife. I was just like, yo, you're never gonna believe this shit, bro. I just won 30 bands.
[13:05]
Eddie Huang
The greatest trip ever. That's the greatest trip ever.
[13:08]
Miro
And then. But then after that, it was just like, all right, bro. Like, that was like you saying, like the, you know, the, the. The. From the. I forget if it's from the Mac or what, but the line of like, you know, like, you keep them pretty, you know, keep them good, keep them looking good, but no money. No, no, no. So that, like, he gave you some bread. He was like, here's some bread. And it was just like, you'll never see bread again. Like, like, type shit. You know what I mean?
[13:33]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, he gave us some gold plated ass rings and shit.
[13:36]
Miro
You feel me? I'm like, damn, dog, give me some shit I can sell back at least.
[13:39]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, no, I. I thought it was fly too, because he was taking us on the trips. And then like, you know, Eddie Moretti was throwing some chips my way. But then they never paid my residuals, just held out, never paid my residuals. I had to have an auditor come in and look at it. And they're like, minimum, these cats owe you 380. But. But really because of 600? Yeah, because we had the number one and two shows always. It was Oscar, it was Diesel, Miro, or Wong's World. Always back and forth. We was a number one in two shows. And then like, I was like, where's the money at? Because, like, we're carrying it. You run a marathon some, bro.
[14:15]
Miro
And that's why I'm glad I don't sign a motherfucking NDA. Shout out to the. Whoever the federal government that said, like, yo, you cannot tie NDA to a severance package or whatever. The fuck? Because when I dipped out of there, I was like, I ain't signing shit. When I dipped out of Showtime, I was like, I ain't signing shit. Yo, if y' all fucked up. Yeah. I'm gonna let y' all know y' all fucked up.
[14:32]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. See, I signed the shit. But then what happened was when they didn't pay my residuals, I fought them in bankruptcy. And because they never fulfilled the deal paying the residuals, it canceled my NDA, and I could make the DOC So.
[14:44]
Miro
Body to body them. That's my shit, bro. Like, I came into this shit. Like, I was saying, like, thinking, like, yo, entertainment is like corporate America. It's a meritocracy. You make a good product and it will thrive and blah, blah, blah.
[14:55]
Eddie Huang
It's like, nah, grimier than we were, bro.
[14:58]
Miro
Yeah, crazy. So I'm like. I'm like, I. We're back to selling crack.
[15:02]
Eddie Huang
When you. When you came in and show business, right, did you like. Because I definitely tried to be a little straighter than I was, like, 100% be on my P's and Q's. Hello, sir. You know, like, speak with comments like that.
[15:13]
Unknown
Hello, sir.
[15:13]
Eddie Huang
Like, I put semicolons in my speech, you know? But then I realized I was like, yo, these dudes are grimier.
[15:20]
Miro
They're grimier. And the shit is that, like. Like I said before, like, they'll. They'll. They'll get you for. For you. Like, yo, we want. You. We want the sauce that you bring into the table. But can you put, like. Can you, like, dilute that sauce a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Because we want to sell ads to Toyota, and you said some shit that made them upset, you know what I'm saying? So can you, like, not. And I'm like, nah, bro. Like, out of here. Like, I stand on what I stand on.
[15:44]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[15:45]
Miro
And that's it. That's why. It's like, I've. I wouldn't million times rather be independent and control my own destiny and shit and hustle more, you know what I'm saying? But when I get a bag, bro, that shit is all mine, you know what I'm saying? And the gang, you know what I mean? And, like, I'm not paying some weirdo that never even had anything to do with this whole process.
[16:01]
Eddie Huang
How's wifey feeling about the whole, like, roller coaster ride? Like, where's she at, bro?
[16:06]
Miro
Shorty's in the dark, you know what I'm saying? I just go out and go to work, bro. It's just like back in like, like back in the day. Like my ex girl didn't know what the I was doing, you know what I'm saying? She was just like, this motherfucker just got diesel jeans. I don't know how, you know what I'm saying? Like, cuz he's a bum, you know what I'm saying? But he leave, he leave the house every night at 10 o' clock with the same Puerto Rican dude.
[16:24]
Eddie Huang
I remember the best story ever was like, yo, yo, when did you know you like loved your wife? You're like, oh, when she bought me the big screen tv.
[16:32]
Miro
She co signed it. She was like, yo, listen, you broke. Like your credit is score is like 300. I'm like, yo, they, I have never had a credit thing turned around so fast. Like I went to best. I was like, yo, I'm trying to get this 55 inch. She was like two bands at the time. And I was just like, yo, let me get it on the credit card. Let me get the Best Buy credit card. I filled that out. Boy, that did the home, the, the, the Grandpa Simpson, he was just like, nah. He's like, ah. And she came, she was just like, yo, I'm gonna put my name on it. And it was like, you got $50,000 worth of credit. I was like, damn. I was like, yo, I'm about to get the 60 HTV. Fuck that.
[17:07]
Unknown
Matter of fact, it was the biggest one.
[17:09]
Miro
You got credit. Word. And that's why I heard Victor's voice in my head like, yo, you gotta pay that back.
[17:14]
Eddie Huang
No, because they had me turned around in Hollywood for a couple years there, like right after the pandemic, because everyone was like, look, it's harder to get things on things like that. You need to be thinking in these buckets. And they were like, do you have an adult comedy animation? Like they were breaking it down like that. Can you write something for this age demographic and this race of people? I was like, ah, that's an awkward way to work. But like we tried to do a few projects, like almost like assignment work. And she, she was the one that was just like, yo, this ain't, this shit ain't for you, man. Just do you.
[17:47]
Unknown
Yeah. They kept doing the thing that you're saying where it's like, you're so great, we love you, but like be less you. Yeah, they're like, so the things that make you you. Let's, let's stop that and let's do more of this. Like, who would you like to Would you be more like this guy? And then they'd pick like, random Asian. Random sterile Asian guy.
[18:05]
Miro
Like.
[18:05]
Unknown
Like, do more that. And I'm like, that's not you.
[18:07]
Miro
Do you, Bro, there's more than like four Asians, bro.
[18:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[18:10]
Miro
You know what I'm saying?
[18:10]
Unknown
Like, they pick one, they're like, do what he's doing.
[18:14]
Miro
Can you be like, a little bit more?
[18:15]
Eddie Huang
Can you be gay? I try. Let me get my Patrick. Like it.
[18:22]
Unknown
Suck a little dick and then write a show.
[18:25]
Miro
Yeah, yeah, that should be me up. That's why I'm just like, nah, that. Like, I'll go into a zoom with anybody and be like, yo, what's good? You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that's me talking about.
[18:34]
Eddie Huang
Wish they said bowling. Yeah. I was like, I could be closer to bowing. They'd be like, Jimmy Oyang. You know what I'm saying? Like, you love Jimmy, but, like, I can't do what he's.
[18:40]
Miro
Big Bang Theory's got the numbers.
[18:42]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they got the numbers. Exactly. You know how many places I went? Meetings, too. And they would. They would start them off like, oh, yo, we also have a script with your boy. The mirror. The kid. Miro, bro.
[18:53]
Miro
Wow, fam. I feel like you, me, and like three other people are in every single fucking pitch deck.
[19:00]
Eddie Huang
Yes.
[19:00]
Miro
For every single fucking brand in America right now.
[19:03]
Eddie Huang
It's like me, you, and Zack Fox. It's like, I swear to God, that's it.
[19:07]
Miro
It's like, if we could get the three of them together, we'd be unstoppable.
[19:10]
Eddie Huang
But they would have, like, Abbott Middle School.
[19:14]
Miro
And that's the shit. But then they will get the three of us together and be like, okay, guys, can you just like, say the. Our Father.
[19:20]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[19:20]
Miro
Straight down the street of the camera and pledge allegiance to the flag.
[19:24]
Eddie Huang
It's like they know the we're doing is fly, but then they're too scared of it to do it. And I was like, yo, I'm just get back in the trenches in New York and do it my way and.
[19:33]
Miro
Just do it, you know? And that's why when I seen it, I was like. It was like, Eddie Wong is back in New York City cooking, like. And I'm like, he's double entendre. Don't even ask me how. He's back in New York City cooking, baby. You know what I'm saying? Like, but that's just. That's the. Like, I realized that too, bro. And like, I was talking shout out to two Tone, man. From Born and Raised. Like, he got the Positive Truth Angels podcast. And. And he was just like, yo, bro. Like, there's like, a return to, like, writing, bro. Cuz, I'm on your substack.
[19:58]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[19:59]
Miro
You know what I mean? And it's like, it's going back to, like, yo, people want real.
[20:03]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[20:03]
Miro
Like, people don't want, like, yo, cuz, AI all this other bro is going crazy. Like, and it's like, funny, like, in a meme. But I'm like, bro, like, nobody. This is like a compilation of a bunch of that other people wrote. Like, I want to hear you, bro. Like, when I read your. I hear you. When people read my. They hear me. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why people be like, yo, fam. Like, I can't wait for that fatherhood book that you working on, bro. Yo, because you already got Level knowledge charts. And it was like he was talking to me. I bought the audiobook and it was like, yo, it was even crazier.
[20:34]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[20:34]
Miro
So I'm just like, bro, like, that's. That's the real, like, sauce. You know what I mean?
[20:39]
Eddie Huang
You created, too that cats don't know in Hollywood, and they take it from you. Like, for instance, the word knowledge darts. That's you. You came up with that. I hear mad people say the caps lock shit. That's you. You know what I mean? Like, when I talk to you, I talk in caps lock. Because it's like, if I talk to a Chinese person, I'm gonna speak Chinese to them. If I talk to you, I'm putting caps lock. You the caps lock killer. You know what I mean? Like, people would. Would come up with things like that. You should do that. I'm like, no, that's his. You know, someone came to me once, an agent came to me was like, you should do a bodega comedy set, New York. I was, nah, if you want that, you call Miro. You don't call me. You know what I'm saying?
[21:16]
Miro
You know what's crazy? So many people, like, talk about pitch decks and, like, how marketing and all these motherfuckers work. It's just like five white dudes in there, like, all right, looking at a mood board. Like, okay, so we have urban Asian guy. Okay. Yep. We have Afro, Afro Latin, Afro Latino guy here. Puerto Rican, Dominican. Doesn't matter. Same thing.
[21:43]
Eddie Huang
Sexual Jamaican.
[21:44]
Miro
But there you go, boom. Bisexual Jamaican guy. Put them all together, success, great, let's do it. And then when you go to do the Shay, it's like, Nah, like, don't do that. Yeah, but, like, the. The. The real part of that shit is just, like, they'll, like, all, like, the bodega boy shit. Like, that whole era, bro. Like, that shit inspired a bunch of shit and, like. Like, real people, you know I'm saying? Which I'm super glad for, like, about. And I'm super grateful everybody stops me. The street is just like, yo, bro. Like, yo, I was getting chemo, dog, and I was listening to your shit. I'm like, yo, love.
[22:16]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[22:17]
Miro
Fucking Marlboro doing a pitch deck and having me in the shit, bro. And like, being like, yo, we're going to do the Marlboro BOD activation at fucking south by Southwest. Like, yeah, bro, get the fuck out of here, bro. Like, there's no bodegas in Texas.
[22:30]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, we were doing the same shit. And what they don't realize is fresh off the boat. The boat was the vehicle for me to talk about immigrants coming to America and figuring out their place. The bodega was the vehicle for you to talk about Afro Latino people figuring out their place in New York City. But they. They. It's like they stare at the boat and they stare at the bodega, and they think it's about that. It's like, no, bro, it can be.
[22:52]
Miro
You got to go inside.
[22:53]
Eddie Huang
Singular voice. It's the singular voice that wasn't made in a lab, that wasn't an algorithm, because there's no way to, like, calculate. This is the generational Afro Latino show. Like, that new thing they got on FX called Adults. I was like, this is terrible. This is some terrible shit. And you can tell they're just, like, trying so hard to make the generational young adult comedy.
[23:16]
Miro
It's like, focus group shit. Yo, Doug, like. Like, part of the reason, like, that attracted me to, like, the Vice brand, not the company. Once you get in the company, you're like, oh, shit, this shit is a disaster. But the brand was like, yo, we don't give a. Like, this shit is cool, but it's cool organically.
[23:33]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[23:34]
Miro
You know what I'm saying? Like, your shit was cool organically.
[23:36]
Eddie Huang
You do laugh sometimes when they try to explain shit to you. Like, okay, so we need this to appeal to a wider, like, also a white audience. Do you ever just turn and be like, I live with a white woman.
[23:46]
Miro
Yeah, I live.
[23:47]
Eddie Huang
I live with one.
[23:50]
Miro
How am I also. Listen, if you want me to say.
[23:53]
Eddie Huang
Talking about y' all, like, y' all are like, like, goofy and don't know. I shouldn't Say retard, but, like, goofy and stupid and like, don't know what's going on. I'm like, white people are not stupid.
[24:02]
Miro
Like, that's the shit. The crazy shit to me is also like, fam, like, if you don't want me to say nigga on camera, just say that. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, you know what I mean? It's just like, bro, you too light skinned. So is Dell Curry. You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck are we talking about here? So, like, I think that's what they. When they say that shit to me. That's what they say. Like, yo, just can you like, you know, maybe say brothers, you know, or, you know, this is for a certain demographic and I'm just like, I, bro, so like, I understand that part. You know what I mean? And like, you know, you got to acquiesce a little bit, you know, you got to play. It's time to play the game.
[24:40]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, I see Chinaman, like 30% less, you know, 30%. Just 30% less.
[24:45]
Unknown
Softened your edges.
[24:46]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, yeah.
[24:47]
Miro
You know, like, like, like my Chinese adjacent brother over here, man Train. You know what I'm saying?
[24:55]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, I like that. The history. Because they did come from the Chinese, the plains of, of middle China to Vietnam, you know, that is the folk.
[25:02]
Miro
I didn't even know that.
[25:03]
Eddie Huang
No, I'm just kidding.
[25:06]
Miro
That's what the Chinese people tell me.
[25:08]
Eddie Huang
That's what we say. That's what.
[25:09]
Miro
That's what we say.
[25:10]
Eddie Huang
Yo, Chinese people got a story for everything. Like, like J. We will tell people that they were Chinese people from like the internal ministry. The smartest advisors of the emperor went looking for the fountain of youth, could not find it and didn't want to get killed. So they stayed in Japan. Everyone, that's a good story. They all Chinese.
[25:27]
Miro
Yo, fuck it, bro.
[25:28]
Eddie Huang
Chinese, they just the freaky ones saying.
[25:30]
Miro
Like, yo, yo, y' all put panties in the vending machine. That's wild. Yeah, I got the dick sucking machine. Like, that is crazy.
[25:37]
Eddie Huang
I asked for that for Father's Day. She didn't get it.
[25:39]
Unknown
It's in the mail. It's not. It's not ready yet.
[25:41]
Miro
That's crazy. I would use that, bro, and just be like, I would use that on some baby boy shit.
[25:46]
Eddie Huang
Like, use it and return it.
[25:48]
Miro
Like this dishwasher safe. I put that shit in it with all my kids. Cups. Yeah, all 30 tumblers.
[25:59]
Unknown
What's this one?
[26:01]
Miro
It's a very small cup.
[26:02]
Eddie Huang
You know this cup got.
[26:05]
Miro
It'S Kind of like a diva cup in a way. No, that's.
[26:09]
Eddie Huang
That was the funniest thing to me though, was when they have notes and try to be like. So the audience that we know well, the white women audience, they want this. And I'm like, yo, I showed it to my wife. She's. She, you know, she's into it. She likes it. I don't know what to tell you.
[26:22]
Unknown
Speak for all white women everywhere. My opinion is all the only one.
[26:26]
Eddie Huang
On the 92nd Street.
[26:27]
Miro
Why?
[26:27]
Eddie Huang
You know what I'm saying?
[26:28]
Miro
That's it.
[26:28]
Eddie Huang
She's been there.
[26:29]
Miro
Come on. If you ever bought like a, like a fancy cookie.
[26:32]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[26:32]
Miro
You know what I'm saying?
[26:33]
Unknown
That's all we do. We're out here just buying fancy cookies. A croissant. I will stand in line for a croissant. I'm not about that.
[26:41]
Miro
Because it's. It's real. It's French.
[26:43]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[26:43]
Unknown
It's not from Costco French. And it's collabed with somebody with a French fucking name. I'm in line, baby. I'm like, let's get it.
[26:50]
Miro
Let's get it.
[26:51]
Eddie Huang
From your point of view. Isn't it funny though, when they edit and change our stuff for like the hypothetical you point of view?
[26:59]
Unknown
Yes. But I think you can always feel that, like, I think it's present in the room with you that like, okay, we get it. This is a watered down, edited version of what it would have been.
[27:09]
Miro
His foot's on a break. His foot is not on the gas. Right?
[27:11]
Unknown
Well, because there's always. There's was a time where that wasn't happening. Like, there's so many shows that you can reference and, and honestly, from the, like the 90s, there's a lot of shows that were just authentically what they were like. You could have that culture, that person represented authentically. And then we weirdly swayed from that where it became the whitewashed, watered down version.
[27:31]
Miro
It was crazy, cuz. Like you saying, like in the 90s, bro, I remember coming home and watching like and Living Color and Rock and Thea and Martin and Sister. Sister and all this you movies like Love Jones, Love Jones, Love and Basketball. All this, bro. And all that was like viable entertainment. Okay?
[27:49]
Unknown
And ask any little white girl if they with Sister. Sister. We did. We love that.
[27:54]
Miro
Roger. Yeah, go home, Roger. Come on, show. Come on.
[28:01]
Unknown
It's just funny. Like, even Girlfriends, I'm like, where is the authentic version of that? Now we're getting adults on fx where it's like, okay, did you just like, bit Lena Dunham and tried to make it queer. That's not cool.
[28:11]
Miro
That's not cool at all, bro. Like, I seen that with the. With the Sex in the City movie where they had the one character that was. She was like, I'm non B. I'm non binary and queer. And this. I was like, get this out of here. I was like, yo, bro, y' all made this in a lab? Yeah.
[28:25]
Unknown
The gag is they have Cynthia getting fisted by a butch lesbian in car's kitchen. I'm like, that's not real.
[28:31]
Eddie Huang
That's not real.
[28:34]
Unknown
It's so tea, but it's just not. I'm like, so we're checking boxes now? Queer.
[28:39]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[28:40]
Unknown
Biracial, this, that. And it's just. Then you've just come up with the rest. The worst recipe in the world. I'm like, this. This shit sucks.
[28:48]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. My experience recently has been a lot of actors want to participate in the films I'm writing or the shows I'm writing. And the. It's the. The agents and the executives can't see it. But I'm like, why don't you just get out of the way? If all the artists agree, you should just get out the way. I see you at the Chase Bank. I see you at the Chase bank, bro. Because what they're doing isn't working, bro.
[29:09]
Miro
Let me tell you something. Agents are not agents anymore. Agents are fucking brokers.
[29:13]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[29:14]
Miro
Like, that's it. It's triangle offense, bro. It's the White Shoe law firm. It's the studio, it's the agency, and they are triangulating to get you for the low.
[29:21]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Right now it's like the dude at the basketball run who has bricked every shot and then still telling everyone how to do shit. It's like, yo, maybe you should pass the rock. Just move the rock.
[29:30]
Miro
Like, bro, try to lay up, bro. Try to live to get yourself going, you know? Some water. Get some water like you feel me? Like, yo, go sit on the bench. Yo, Khalil, come here. Yeah, yeah. Cause this ain't it. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's like, Victor says this all the time, and I'm still in an act. Like I said to myself. Yeah, I can edit it. There is no. Well, there's some. But there is a dearth of executive level talent, bro.
[29:53]
Eddie Huang
Yes.
[29:53]
Miro
All these places, bro, at all these networks, like, they don't know. Like, to your point, it's just like, yo, I'm just cram all this shit together, and it's gonna work because this worked and that worked and this worked. Yeah, but it's all like, bro, I don't want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with fucking sardines, nigga. Like, yeah, these are. These are three different things that I enjoy separately. Like, if you just smash them together, that's not going to make it good.
[30:15]
Eddie Huang
It's hard to have good executives because you got to have good taste and be artistic. But then the hardest thing is to have, like, your ego and check and understand that you're not an artist and you're not it. And there's, like, a water's edge to your understanding where you just got to hand the baton off to artists and be like, go get it. There's also, you know.
[30:33]
Unknown
Yeah, I mean, there's.
[30:34]
Miro
Here's the. Here's the. What's your. What do you need? Yeah, that's all. Yeah, listen. Look at me. Producers, fucking Warner Brothers, Universal, David Zaslav. You know what I'm saying? Look at me. All you got to do, motherfucker, is write the check, bro. Write the fucking check. If I tell you I need 2 million to get this shit shaken, write the check for 2 million, and I will make you look like a fucking genius.
[30:56]
Eddie Huang
You just place bets. Place bets.
[30:58]
Unknown
Run his money.
[30:59]
Miro
Like, that's.
[31:00]
Unknown
Run him his money.
[31:01]
Miro
Come on, gang. Like. Like, you know, like, it's like, bro, we have had success in media. Like, we have created products that have been successful and changed culture and shape shit.
[31:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, we created shit they didn't see coming. They could not have created this shit in the thing.
[31:14]
Unknown
It used to be people creating something, and then you had people around you taking a chance. Now everyone's become a slave to the algorithm where they're like, well, this is what the out. This is what the numbers say of this show. And it's like, cool, but like this. No one wanted the Sopranos. They were like, this show kind of sucks. We watched a documentary on it, and they were like, every. No one believed in this. They thought the show was gonna flop. They were like, this is. We're taking. We're. This is a big L. And then it came out.
[31:41]
Eddie Huang
It's like a show of all time.
[31:43]
Unknown
Best shows of all time. So it's like that doesn't exist anymore. That doesn't exist in this creator.
[31:48]
Eddie Huang
No economy.
[31:49]
Miro
And that used to be like. Like you said. Like, that was because it was. The executives were people that, like, had made shit, right? Like, these motherfuckers, they don't make shit.
[31:59]
Eddie Huang
No, they go in the back Room.
[32:00]
Miro
And they like, yo, how much is this going to cost?
[32:03]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. And that's why I'm back on sub stacking in the kitchen, because there's no executive telling me what to do there. I just get the G off. And same with the podcast. And when I saw you making the pivots, I was like, yo, I love this because me and you is always linked up. And when I saw the victory light in the Dallas BBQs, I was just.
[32:19]
Miro
Like, come on, come on. You know, we got it back. You know, we get it back for that. It's not for free. But at the same time, it made sense because I was like, when I talked to those dudes, shout to Greg and Stu, like, they're the type of restaurateurs that are like, yo, these shits are franchises. Like, if you a busboy here in 10 years, you might around and be the owner of this. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I. With that, like, ethos, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, this is dope. Plus, I was going there every year for my birthday. Yeah. And getting lit off the Texas size margaritas, bro. I'm like, yeah, like, going crazy. The cornbread, bro, they give you a bowl of chili with a bag of Cool Ranch Doritos.
[33:02]
Eddie Huang
One of our first dates, I took her there. Yeah.
[33:05]
Miro
You know what I'm saying?
[33:05]
Eddie Huang
So the moscatos in the frozen drink, it's one of the greatest restaurants of all time, bro.
[33:11]
Miro
And it's like a New York institution, right? So it's just like, this makes sense. I'm a New York dude. I spent a lot of time here. So listen, Eddie Wong, fucking Denzel Washington, bro. Fucking LeBron, whoever the fuck it is that's coming through here to chop it up. We gonna drink a heady colada, you know what I'm saying? We gotta eat some wings, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, there's gonna be Puerto Ricans in the background making noise. And that's what it is.
[33:34]
Eddie Huang
Because you did the bodega, the next move is it. Dallas BBQS was the perfect. I was like, yo, he can only go one of two ways. After the bodega, it's either Dallas BBQs or City Island. There's only two spots to go.
[33:48]
Miro
Sammy's fish box is too small. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Johnny's. So we can't be. We can't be shooting over there.
[33:53]
Eddie Huang
Well, I try to explain City island to people. I'm like, it's a fake island beach where you go eat, like, fish and barbecue and shrimp and crab. That's it.
[34:01]
Miro
And like I said, watch Puerto Ricans fight. Yeah, yeah.
[34:03]
Eddie Huang
I can't say that, but. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's what I was going there to eat. Crabs to watch.
[34:11]
Miro
I mean, fried clams. Like, God damn, bro. Yeah, stop throwing the chairs.
[34:17]
Eddie Huang
It's been. Go eat shellfish and watch what's on Crime Faces Live, you know?
[34:23]
Miro
That's City island facts, bro, and I love it, you know what I'm saying? But, yeah, no, that deal made sense, bro. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that is, like, now that's, like, my, like, view of, like, how we doing this, right? Like, this gotta make sense. I did the lid shout out to. Shout out to, you know?
[34:38]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, that was the Father's Day shout.
[34:39]
Miro
The queens py, you know what I'm saying? Made that happen. You know what I mean? And it's just like, all like, bro, I'm a BALD Motherfucker with four kids, bro. My hat is my hair, you know, 30 different.
[34:50]
Eddie Huang
I've never seen you without a hat on.
[34:51]
Miro
Straight up, you know what I'm saying? You never will, you know what I'm saying? Unless I got the clean bald in. I'm like, you know what?
[34:57]
Eddie Huang
The next business we need to bring back, though, is off track betting. Yo, we need to otb. Otb. Listen, yo, we need OTB back.
[35:04]
Miro
I said this shit before, bro, and this is like, going back, like, years and years and years, right? Like, this was like when DraftKings was first getting started. And it was like a deal on the table. And everybody at my agency was like, yo, this is crazy. No, no. This is like selling crack. This is stigma attached to this. And I was like. I was like, yo, you stupid. I was like, I sold narcotics. I can tell you one thing right now. I gamble. Like, not with this shit. Like, I've been doing this for a while. Anything that people is like, yo, I need that is gonna make fucking money. It's gonna make fucking money. I was just like, y' all are fucking stupid with this fucking morality shit. We don't work for Disney, motherfucker. Like, what are we doing here?
[35:44]
Eddie Huang
They're doing it anyway.
[35:46]
Miro
They're gonna do it anyway.
[35:47]
Eddie Huang
Anyway. And. But the best version was watching OTB. The cats at OTB running to the McDonald's, running back across four lanes of traffic on the lane, seat.
[35:57]
Miro
Number 10. Let's go, number 10. Come on.
[36:01]
Eddie Huang
The newspaper.
[36:03]
Miro
Come on. Don't jam, bro. I'm telling you, I'm better than the cards. No more, man. I want to do the car. The three wheel cards is not it, bro.
[36:11]
Eddie Huang
Delance, he was the hottest block in Europe. We got to bring that back.
[36:14]
Miro
Like, they had one to punch us in the Bronx.
[36:16]
Eddie Huang
An OTB where you could like, sanction dice games, you know, some dominoes, bet on horses, bet on dogs. You know, that would be the women's Argentinian league.
[36:27]
Miro
Oh, dog. I was, yeah, listen, bro, because it don't matter. I had this one that I heard this call. I say. I used to say, like, I called and made this request, but it was really him because he's a true degenerate. He was. He called the bookie on the phone. This is like pre abs, pre everything. He was just like, we sitting there watching Jamal Crawford cross up Kirk Heinrich in like 2005. And he's just like, he's like, yo, yo, what's the line on Penn's Penn State women's volleyball? I'm like, yo, what are you asking for, bro? Like, Pence Collegiate women's volleyball.
[37:02]
Unknown
Yeah, homie. Betting on the boyish Chilean basketball league.
[37:06]
Eddie Huang
Like, yeah, like, and women's Argentinian basketball. This dude Mills, like, he'll call it crazy. Yeah, bro, I respect that.
[37:13]
Miro
Yeah. And that's the like, bro, I made money all 2006 betting Mets over four and a half runs and Italy to win the World Cup.
[37:21]
Eddie Huang
Oh, wow.
[37:22]
Miro
Like, I made a bag. You know what I'm saying?
[37:23]
Eddie Huang
Carlos Beltran, year.
[37:25]
Miro
That was. That was David Wright, Jose Reyes.
[37:27]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, yeah.
[37:28]
Miro
Willie Randolph, small ball. Yeah, like, they was just. And I knew, like, as a, as a Dominicano puppy, I know, I baseball. So I was just like, yo, small ball, that should produce his rounds. You get them on, you get them over. Jose Reyes is going to steal a lot of bases. There's a lot of fast guys. Delgado's a power guy.
[37:42]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[37:43]
Miro
I was like, this is a lot.
[37:44]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, that was, that was. That was a good ass team, you.
[37:47]
Miro
Know what I'm saying?
[37:47]
Eddie Huang
Right after the Manners were playing small ball too, the Mariners was doing that.
[37:50]
Miro
Small ball, you know what I'm saying? So I knew, but then they was like, no, no, no. And I'm just like, how about now? How you feel now? Because it was like offering equity and like that. And I'm like, made 11, Billy.
[38:03]
Eddie Huang
I hit a cold streak betting this year in the NBA playoffs too, man. I had a cold streak.
[38:08]
Unknown
I feel like we always owe them.
[38:10]
Eddie Huang
The last two years was cold, bro. How have you been the last two years?
[38:15]
Miro
I've been you know, up and down. But my shit was like. Like, I feel like I'm always up because of that one. Knicks, I don't know if it was the two seasons ago where Julius Randle, they were covering every game.
[38:26]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[38:26]
Miro
Because the spreads were stupid. They were still like knicks spreads. Like 16 and a half against the Trailblazers. I'm like, this is crazy. They gonna lose by four.
[38:34]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[38:35]
Miro
Not 16 and a half. So I'm like, bang that. So I was just hitting that and I was making money doing that. But, you know, now I'm just like, this guy's going to score the next touchdown. $5.
[38:48]
Eddie Huang
The worst thing happened to me last football season. I had a $29,000.
[38:52]
Miro
I'm a Giants fan, bro. So, like my. I was not.
[38:54]
Eddie Huang
Oh, this is. This is New York. This involves New York football. Okay. I had a $29,000 six leg parlay on prize picks that had hit all five legs down to our man's Devonte Adams on the New York Jets. All he needed to do was get over like 76 yards. Gets it. I'm screaming, I hit this 29, 000 parlay. And then they called it back because of offensive holding on the offensive line. And then they subbed him out of the game and I missed this parlay, bro. Brutal.
[39:27]
Miro
That is brutal. That's what it is.
[39:29]
Unknown
Like, that's what the sickness right there.
[39:31]
Miro
But that's what it is also. It just gamifies, bro, because, like, I'll watch football that I don't give a about. Like, I watched San Diego A. M. Tech versus, you know, Fordham Prep University Women's Leadership Academy.
[39:45]
Unknown
Yeah, we'll be doing the same. And I'm like, how do you know? Like, what's your feelings about this team? Like, what's the sentimentality? And he'll have a backstory for it. He'd be like, well, one time when I was a kid, we went on and I'm like, you?
[39:55]
Eddie Huang
I just make up to gamble.
[39:57]
Miro
Yeah.
[39:57]
Eddie Huang
She's like, are you hanging out tonight?
[39:59]
Miro
Yeah, yeah.
[39:59]
Eddie Huang
But this team's really important to me.
[40:01]
Unknown
It's so important to me. I'm like, oh, yeah, the. The Milwaukee Ducks, like, what are we talking about?
[40:06]
Miro
Yo, the brother that you never met, you know what I'm saying? He used to play for them. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He passed away on the field, like, you know what I'm saying? It was like a darvin hand. But he didn't say he ain't make it.
[40:15]
Eddie Huang
Our fifth Chinese brother one time My.
[40:17]
Unknown
Cousin worked at that stadium.
[40:19]
Miro
Okay.
[40:20]
Unknown
All right.
[40:21]
Miro
But it's just like, we bang on the Morganston's Bowl. I guess it like, it is what it is.
[40:27]
Eddie Huang
Are you still writing scripts?
[40:28]
Miro
Yeah, bro, but it's like the. Like, I'll write them and sit on them. It's out there. Men, too. Like, I'm a glaze, man. And people all episode. Because ain't buying, bro. Like, if you come out with some. Like, you got to write a Marvel movie now.
[40:43]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[40:44]
Miro
To get the shit. So, like, Ryan Coogler said this in an interview. He's just like, bro, I had to make three Black Panthers before I could make sinners.
[40:50]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[40:51]
Miro
You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, I. Man, like, I got some shit. I know it's hard. You know what I mean? But I'm like, fam, if you're giving me. So I was at Showtime, and they're like, yo, here's 400 bands to make this. This idea that you have. And I'm like, I'm not doing that because I know what the budget is for this show. Yeah. And it's not even close to what y' all are giving me for this. So, like, y' all are setting me up to fail. So suck my dick. I'm gonna put this in my drafts, and y' all are never gonna see this shit.
[41:17]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[41:17]
Miro
You know, and until the time is right. Cause I got a ton of shit sitting there.
[41:21]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[41:21]
Miro
You know what I mean? And it's just like, I. Bro, like, what are your options here? You either go get crowdfunded, or you put the money up yourself, or you find the fucking Medici family, you know, like, because the studios is.
[41:35]
Eddie Huang
Or you just wait for it to break. You wait for it to break, and then new money going to come in. Because I think that's what has to happen. These dudes have completely fucked it up 100%.
[41:45]
Miro
And it's all like. Like, again, executive level talent. Right. It's like, guys that don't create going up there, being like, I like how we're just gonna make the most money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, not, how are we gonna make something fire like Sopranos. Like, how are we gonna make something that's dope that we. That may not make? It's. It's pattern. I call it like Patagonia stock versus crypto.
[42:05]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[42:05]
Miro
You know I'm saying, like, we buy some crypto, like. You know what I'm saying? And this goes like this, and then it goes like this?
[42:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[42:11]
Miro
You look at Patagonia, it's like, that is going like this, bro. Because some finance bros love that shit. They never gonna stop wearing that.
[42:16]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[42:16]
Miro
So it's just like, I'd rather incrementally grow my shit over time and then look back to 10 years back and be like, oh, bro, like, we. We done 250% of this.
[42:24]
Eddie Huang
Like, yeah.
[42:25]
Miro
As opposed to being like, yo, my went like this, and now I'm in front of the bo. They like, yo, yo, you'll never see me with Eddie Juan on the podcast Dreams. Yo, listen, yo, pap, I'm sick, yo. I'm the Camaro, yo.
[42:39]
Eddie Huang
You know, no, we can't be like. We can't be broke like that. Never, bro. Never. That's why I just pivot to where I'm like, I can do my art, because I know the scripts I have are fire. I know a lot of great writers like you. You know, all the homies where I'm like, it's not us right now. This is fire. Put it in the drawer. Chill until the market is back, and then go places where you could do your thing. Pods, Substack restaurant. I wrote a novel, and I'm like, I'm gonna get back to it the way I did Fresh off the Boat. Write the book option, then the book, and then you have a lot more control.
[43:13]
Miro
That's it.
[43:13]
Eddie Huang
So I was like, I'm gonna write all my stories as novels and then sell them his scripts. Because, you know, like, it's almost like they need people who read actual books to tell them the shit is fire. Because these people don't know how to read, fam.
[43:26]
Miro
That is. That is like, a epic, bro. This, yo, fam. Like, I ain't even going to say these motherfuckers names, man. But, like, there was, like, these niggas did an interview, man, and it was too. These are two, like, rich, multi. Like, I would say billionaire dudes. And they said with a whole chest. I haven't read a book in years. Like, proudly. And I'm like, yo, y' all are what you should. I was like, bro, if I said that on a mic, my mom would, like, drop through the ceiling and be like, the. I bring you here for the. I bring you to America for a. Like, you talking. You telling these white people you don't really read books. How dare you, bro. Like that. And that is crazy to me, yo.
[44:12]
Eddie Huang
They're, like, proud to be dumb.
[44:14]
Miro
It's crazy, bro. So that just. And I'm like, yo, and you're in charge of this whole corporation. Oh, we're cooked. We're cooked.
[44:21]
Eddie Huang
It's like, it will break. It is breaking. The country's breaking. Everything's breaking. And I'm like, yo, I'm gonna. Just keep doing me, and I'll be here when we rebuild this.
[44:29]
Miro
Yeah, bro, Listen, in the meantime, I'll be in Punta Rusia, Republica, Dominica now. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just. I'm. I'm going over there with 20 bands strapped to my thigh, bro, and I'm just buying. Buying a beach.
[44:40]
Eddie Huang
Like, a lot of people are moving back to Puerto Rico.
[44:43]
Unknown
They are.
[44:44]
Eddie Huang
I've been seeing, like, a lot of immigrants are just moving back home, like, going on.
[44:47]
Miro
Yeah, bro.
[44:48]
Eddie Huang
It's like, you don't want us here. You don't value us here, so I.
[44:51]
Miro
All right, go ahead, yo. Go ahead. Pick them strawberries, Tony.
[44:53]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[44:55]
Miro
Let's see how long you last out there, bro, with your alabaster skin.
[44:58]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Can you show me again which one is the strawberry?
[45:02]
Miro
Is it red or is it the blue one? Yeah, because blueberries, I would assume is the blueberries. Berries, because they're blue, but this is, like, more like a magenta.
[45:10]
Eddie Huang
This is hilarious, man.
[45:11]
Miro
It's crazy, bro. Like, this is fine. The game is up, but, hey, it. Like you said, it's gonna break eventually, and when it does, like, we here, be ready. You know what I'm saying?
[45:20]
Eddie Huang
We here, we ready. I love it. Yo, thank you. What.
[45:23]
Miro
How.
[45:24]
Eddie Huang
How long have we going? An hour. This has been incredible. Yeah, about an hour. Yo, bro, thank you for coming on the show, but, bro, thank you for coming on the show, because I felt like, wait, Miro just kind of gave us a. Was the perfect ending. I love it. I love it. I love to see my guy. Great to see you.
[45:38]
Unknown
Thank you so much for coming.
[45:40]
Miro
Pleasure to finally meet you. I feel like I know you.

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Canal Street Dreams Episode Summary: The Kid Mero

Released on July 11, 2025

Hosts: Eddie Huang and Natashia Perrotti
Guest: The Kid Mero (Miro)
Platform: Full episode available on Substack (BasedFob Substack) and a free half-hour version on YouTube.

1. Introduction and Longstanding Friendship (00:00 - 00:20)

Eddie Huang warmly welcomes his guest, Miro, affectionately referred to as "The Kid Mero," highlighting their 15-year friendship.

Eddie Huang [00:00]: "Canal Street Dreams. We back. My man. My homie of almost 15 years now."
Miro [00:06]: "Go back like a durag flap, you know what I'm saying?"

2. Early Ventures and Victory Light (00:16 - 00:40)

Miro reflects on his early days with Victory Light, a blog he ran during a financially challenging period.

Miro [00:16]: "Victorylet was a blog that I was writing. Blog spot, blog spot, blog spot that I was writing when I was very angry... I was very broke."
Eddie Huang [00:39]: "You was a middle school teacher."

3. Anecdotes from the "Fresh Off the Boat" Book Signing (00:52 - 01:21)

Eddie shares a memorable moment from the book signing event of "Fresh Off the Boat," where Miro discovered "ancient pills" in his steeple jacket.

Eddie Huang [00:52]: "Remember you showed up to the Fresh off the boat book session signing... and you were wearing a steep tech and you found old pills in the steep."
Miro [01:05]: "Triple stack. Ferraris... Allegedly."
Eddie Huang [01:16]: "Allegedly. Allegedly."

4. Miro's Rise and Media Connections (01:21 - 02:26)

The conversation shifts to celebrating Miro's appearances on TV alongside influential figures like mayors, showcasing their mutual support and pride in each other's successes.

Eddie Huang [01:21]: "But she get me so hyped too, because you were on blog spot... Now I'm seeing you on TV with the mayor, dog. Like the future mayor, you know what I'm saying?"
Miro [02:26]: "And I was talking to Kareem... we understand media in a way that a lot of these new casts don't."

5. Navigating the Media Landscape and Vice Community College (02:26 - 04:13)

Miro and Eddie delve into the complexities of the media industry, discussing their experiences at Vice Community College and the shifting dynamics between TV and digital platforms.

Miro [02:26]: "We understand media in a way that a lot of these new casts don't. TV versus the digital shit that's going on now... we are positioned to take advantage of that."
Eddie Huang [03:01]: "We've also hit every bucket."

6. The ILY Coffee Campaign and Activism (04:13 - 05:18)

Miro recounts his participation in the ILY Coffee campaign, where he boldly included the hashtag #FreePalestine, leading to immediate backlash.

Miro [04:30]: "I put free Palestine. And they... Take it out right now."
Eddie Huang [04:59]: "I was like, yo, you said I could put any phrase I wanted... do not participate in this campaign."

7. Residuals and Corporate Challenges (05:18 - 06:14)

The hosts discuss their frustrations with Vice's corporate practices, particularly regarding unpaid residuals.

Miro [05:12]: "They robbed everybody, bro. How much money they owe you?"
Eddie Huang [06:14]: "I fought them in the bankruptcy and got my show back."

8. Authentic Representation vs. Corporate Demands (06:14 - 15:44)

Eddie and Miro explore the tension between maintaining authenticity in their creative work and the demands of corporate entities to dilute their unique voices for broader appeal.

Miro [11:01]: "I need you to tell, because I know how you move... I appreciate you."
Eddie Huang [14:43]: "It's like, nah, grimier than we were, bro."
Miro [15:44]: "I'm independent and control my own destiny and hustle more."

9. Personal Lives and Relationships (15:44 - 17:07)

The conversation takes a personal turn as they discuss their relationships and how success has impacted their personal lives.

Eddie Huang [16:00]: "How's wifey feeling about the whole, like, roller coaster ride? Like, where's she at, bro?"
Miro [16:23]: "She was like, yo, listen, you broke... she put her name on the credit card."

10. Creative Freedom and Authenticity in Media (17:07 - 24:45)

Eddie and Miro critique the current media environment, emphasizing the need for genuine representation over tokenism and box-checking diversity.

Miro [21:42]: "It's like five white dudes in there, looking at a mood board... same thing."
Eddie Huang [22:30]: "They do laugh sometimes when they try to explain shit to you... people don't want, like, real."

11. Independence and Control via Substack (24:45 - 31:09)

They discuss their shift towards independent platforms like Substack to retain creative control and bypass the limitations imposed by traditional media executives.

Miro [29:08]: "Let me tell you something. Agents are not agents anymore. Agents are fucking brokers."
Eddie Huang [30:14]: "It's hard to have good executives because you got to have good taste and be artistic."
Miro [31:09]: "Producers at Warner Brothers, Universal... they are triangulating to get you for the low."

12. Gambling and Personal Stories (31:09 - 44:57)

Miro shares an entertaining story about a high-stakes gambling experience, highlighting his risk-taking nature and camaraderie with Eddie.

Miro [08:10]: "That's the greatest trip ever. That's the greatest trip ever."
Eddie Huang [38:07]: "The worst thing happened to me last football season... I missed this parlay, bro. Brutal."
Miro [43:26]: "I made money all 2006 betting Mets over four and a half runs and Italy to win the World Cup."

13. Conclusion and Future Prospects (44:57 - 45:39)

Wrapping up the episode, Eddie and Miro express their commitment to staying true to their roots and creative visions, despite industry challenges. They share light-hearted banter and reaffirm their brotherly bond.

Miro [44:43]: "I just be ready... the game is up, but we're here."
Eddie Huang [45:23]: "Thank you for coming on the show, because I felt like, wait, Miro just kind of gave us a perfect ending."

Key Takeaways:

Authenticity Over Corporate Compliance: Eddie and Miro emphasize the importance of maintaining genuine voices in creative work, resisting pressures to conform to corporate expectations.
Challenges in the Media Industry: They discuss the difficulties artists face with residuals, creative control, and the dilution of their work to fit market demands.
Shift Towards Independence: Highlighting platforms like Substack, the hosts advocate for independent avenues that allow creators to retain control and authenticity.
Personal Stories and Camaraderie: Through entertaining anecdotes, particularly about gambling, the hosts showcase their deep friendship and shared experiences in navigating the entertainment and media landscapes.
Future Vision: Committed to their creative integrity, Eddie and Miro plan to continue producing authentic content, whether through podcasts, writing, or other creative ventures.

Notable Quotes:

On Authenticity:
Miro [15:44]: "I'm independent and control my own destiny and hustle more."
On Corporate Challenges:
Eddie Huang [05:18]: "I fought them in the bankruptcy and got my show back."
On Creativity vs. Market Demands:
Miro [24:45]: "You got to dilute that sauce a little bit, you know what I'm saying?"
On Personal Relationships:
Miro [16:23]: "She was like, yo, listen, you broke... she put her name on the credit card."

This episode of Canal Street Dreams with The Kid Mero offers an unfiltered glimpse into the challenges and triumphs of creative professionals navigating the modern media landscape. Through candid conversation, Eddie Huang and Miro advocate for authenticity, independence, and the preservation of genuine voices in an industry often driven by corporate agendas.

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[00:00]
Eddie Huang
Canal Street Dreams. We back. My man. My homie of almost 15 years now.
[00:06]
Miro
Go back like a durag flap, you know what I'm saying?
[00:09]
Eddie Huang
The kid Miro is in the building. My G man.
[00:12]
Miro
Oh, man.
[00:12]
Eddie Huang
From Victory Light till now, we've been homies, dog.
[00:16]
Miro
Shout out to you because a lot of people don't realize Victory, like, if you just get him to Victory, like the podcast, bro, it's this. I'm closing the loop with the podcast because. And like, with the production and all that. Because as Eddie knows, Victorylet was a blog that I was writing. Blog spot, blog spot, blog spot that I was writing when I was very angry, you know what I'm saying? I was very broke.
[00:40]
Eddie Huang
You was a middle school teacher.
[00:41]
Miro
Middle school teaching, you know what I'm saying? May or may not have had a firearm, you know what I'm saying? Not gonna confirm nor deny, but we was not, you know what I'm saying? It was just like, yo, I still.
[00:52]
Eddie Huang
Remember you showed up to the Fresh off the boat book session signing, like the. The initial launch of the book, and you were wearing a steep tech and you found old pills in the steep.
[01:06]
Miro
Triple stack. Ferraris.
[01:08]
Eddie Huang
You found ancient press pills in the steep tank.
[01:13]
Miro
Allegedly.
[01:14]
Eddie Huang
Allegedly. Allegedly.
[01:16]
Miro
Yo, but yeah, bro, like, it was. That's what. That's what. That's. That's the type of time is. Oh, man.
[01:21]
Eddie Huang
But she get me so hyped too, because you were on blog spot and all. All of us knew it as, oh, that dude with the fish giving the shark the Xanas. And then now I'm seeing you on TV with the mayor, dog. Like the future mayor, you know what I'm saying?
[01:34]
Miro
Like, crazy.
[01:34]
Eddie Huang
You came up, bro. You came up. I love seeing this, yo, not to.
[01:39]
Miro
Sound like, you know, corny like, or like Beyonce, but God is real. God is real.
[01:45]
Eddie Huang
Yo, I was watching the. When he won the prime, and I turned to her, I go, yo, I actually know the homie with the mayor right now. I never thought I would ever have a plug to, like a mayor. I'm like, yo, Miro's there a good one too's there.
[01:58]
Miro
We there, Come on.
[02:03]
Eddie Huang
I was like, yo, I'mma ask me if I could borrow some money on the pod, bro.
[02:09]
Miro
I'm like, I hit you with the like, yo, I'm broke, baby.
[02:12]
Eddie Huang
I love seeing this too. And cuz, also, we've been. We've been homies this whole time. And it's like, I have a lot of homies that did the crabs in a barrel shit and it's just like, man, I like to see homies win. Win, bro. You, Kareem, everybody. I'm like, everybody win, man.
[02:27]
Miro
And I was. It's crazy that you mentioned Kareem, because I was talking to Kareem, and I was just like, man, I was like, the way media is, bro, we both graduates of Vice Community College, you know what I'm saying? So we understand media in a way that a lot of these new casts don't. You know what I'm saying? Like, the TV versus the digital shit that's going on now, and, like, you know what I mean? I feel like we are positioned, like, me, you people, like Kareem are, like, positioned in a way to. To take advantage of that shit.
[02:59]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Because we've also hit every bucket and.
[03:01]
Miro
Then came back around movie, tv, digital, everything. Like, yo, what's next? You know what I'm saying? Like, what's the next shit? So. But yeah, not talking to Kareem, he was just like, man, he's just like, damn, dog. Like, the media landscape is so shitty, dog. Like, I'm trying to sell a show and, like, don't, like, it's. It's. It's a pain in the ass, bro. It used to be, like, back in the day, like, I started doing this shit, like, 08 09, where it was like, yo, the plan is write a good show.
[03:28]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[03:29]
Miro
Get 100 episodes, get into syndication, buy a fucking yellow Porsche and just fucking ride off into the sunset. I'm like, this is the blueprint. I was like, yo, you get a fucking sitcom on Atlanta Network and Pune, you out of here, bro.
[03:44]
Eddie Huang
I was out there like Chinese David Duchovny in the yellow Porsche, just doing dumb, living in Malibu, yo.
[03:50]
Miro
You know, that's what it is. That's. That was the old, like, the old blueprint.
[03:54]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[03:54]
Miro
And then, like, in the midst of it, like, you was one of the first dudes to be like, yo, bro, hold on, hold on, hold on. This shit is fucking crazy.
[04:01]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[04:01]
Miro
Like, yo, yo, I gave, like, y' all got me to. For me, and now y' all want to make me be not me. You know what I'm saying?
[04:08]
Eddie Huang
Which is.
[04:08]
Miro
Which was like, kind of like the. When. When I. When I did from Vice to Showtime, it was a lot of that.
[04:14]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[04:14]
Miro
Corporate, yo. A lot of. I don't know. Can you.
[04:20]
Eddie Huang
They call it hand wring.
[04:22]
Miro
Yeah. Listen, so how about instead of saying free Palestine, we say, you know, peace in the Middle East.
[04:30]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[04:30]
Miro
You know, how about we say that?
[04:32]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Did they have you on that ILY Coffee campaign. Advice. So they had the ILY Coffee money, and they were asking all of us who want to do ILI Coffee? And they were like, you can do this ad and hashtag write any motivational phrase that you want to say. So I said, all right, cool. I did the ILY Coffee ad. They filmed it in my house. They go, the day of the launch, just put illy coffee. Hashtag start your day. Hashtag any cost. And I put free Palestine. And they. Five minutes later, everyone, advice. Take it down.
[04:59]
Miro
Take it down.
[05:00]
Unknown
Take it out right now.
[05:00]
Eddie Huang
I was like, yo, you said I could put any phrase I wanted in there. And this is. And it's vice. And they let me keep the money. They were just like, do not participate in this campaign. Shout out Elite Coffee.
[05:13]
Miro
Shout out to Ellie.
[05:14]
Unknown
Shout out Ellie Coffee.
[05:15]
Eddie Huang
Hashtag wake upgrade. Hashtag free palace.
[05:18]
Miro
And that's. But that's the crazy shit, bro. You. In my mind. I was like, because, you know, like, we're men of a certain age. You know what I'm saying? Like, we know Vice as the magazine that don't give a fuck.
[05:29]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[05:29]
Miro
You know what I'm saying? And, like, I went into it thinking that, like, because I'm coming from MTV.
[05:33]
Eddie Huang
Viacom, that was just some shit to chop coke on, you know? Like, that people just doing coke on that magazine. I never read the shit. This is a wild magazine of naked white people.
[05:42]
Miro
This is just crazy. Like, yo, what the fuck? I'm like, yo, there's a dude in lingerie on the COVID But, yo, chop.
[05:48]
Eddie Huang
It up, chop it up.
[05:49]
Miro
Chop the shit. Chop. But it's free at Tower Records. So I'm taking 20 of these shits, bro. Like, fuck it. But, like, that was like. That's the mentality I went into it with. Like, oh, this is not corporate. This is like, yo, we could do whatever the fuck we want. We could say freedom.
[06:02]
Eddie Huang
I thought it was the source magazine for white people. And I thought Shane was Benzino. I was just like, all right, cool. You know, like, you be all right over here. But they were mad corporate, and they robbed everybody, bro. How much money they owe you?
[06:15]
Miro
But, yo, fam, listen. Yeah, listen. Love is invoicing, y'. All. Y' all got, like, 30 invoices for me that I need back. You know what I'm saying? Well, I don't need them back, but, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Get, bro, I fought them in the bank, Goldberg. You know, I went.
[06:29]
Eddie Huang
I fought them in the bankruptcy and got my show Back.
[06:32]
Miro
That's. That's what you got to do now. Yeah, that's what you got to do now because, like. And a lot of people don't realize this. Shout out to Victor. Victor went out to go. Shout out Victor to go for a jock or some. Eat Chia Seed, because that is healthy. He was the one that was just like, yo, bro. Like, this is not sustainable. Like, early on, he was just like, every time they got a round of funding, he's like, I'm from the street. So I'm like, oh, they got money, bro. Like, we about to come up. He's like, bro, that's a loan. Yeah, like that. They're going to have to pay that back.
[06:58]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[06:58]
Miro
And these motherfuckers ain't making no money at all.
[07:01]
Eddie Huang
They were saying, like, value this. Yeah.
[07:04]
Miro
All of the headlines were like, $5 billion. I was like, what the fuck? We up here smoking weed in the. In the garden?
[07:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. I looked at it as it says five. I was like, that means we got to make five, Billy. And if you looked at the people at the. I was like, we not making those. We're not making 5 billion.
[07:21]
Miro
Yeah, bro. Unless y' all keep this sweatshop downstairs running.
[07:23]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[07:24]
Miro
It's gonna take 15 years to make this back, bro. Like, y' all are tweaking. You laughing because you know that is true. They had them in the edit bay, bro. Like, yeah, like, that was all, like, a black site.
[07:35]
Eddie Huang
It was crazy. They were just gambling because they weren't hitting the metrics and they weren't even earning back on the money they took. So they were like, but let's just take more bread.
[07:44]
Miro
Fuck it.
[07:44]
Eddie Huang
Let's take more bread, yo. Yeah, yo.
[07:47]
Miro
I mean, somebody. I ain't going to hold the bag. Fuck it, somebody else will.
[07:50]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. And they would announce it, like, we made money, but it was really just like the dude going to the ATM at Vegas. Like, I'm going to need another two bills.
[07:57]
Miro
Yeah, I'm going to get. I'm going to get out this hole today. It's my lucky day, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, listen, I'm putting everything on eight black because Paul George just signed with the Sixes, and he's black and his number's eight. It's gonna work, bro.
[08:11]
Eddie Huang
I went. I went with. With Shane to the Mayweather Pacquiao fight. This dude lost a half million dollars within the first hour. We were there playing with Paul Pierce, fam. No, I went.
[08:21]
Miro
This took. It was. It was. It was. It was some Type of fight. I remember the first week I got there, because you know me, bro. I don't close mouth, don't get fed, bro. I'm like, yo, yo, yo, yo. I need this. This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. Yeah, so I seen him, and you know that building was small, bro, because I'm coming from Viacom, where you can't even. Bro, if I walked within 10ft of, like, an executive's door, secretary was like.
[08:48]
Eddie Huang
Yo, yeah, you got zapped immediately.
[08:50]
Miro
Like. Like, offensive. Like. Like blocking, bro. Like, left guard. Like, yo, I'm just trying to talk to homie. Like, thank you. Nasty. And. But, fam, with Vice, it was just like, yo, I just walk up in there, so I seen this dude coming in. I seen Shane Kim in the building, and it's. That's. They just announced it, like, yo, dude, merrow, blah, blah, blah. So I'm just like, yo, fam. I was like, yo, let me tell you something. I was like, let me tell you something. I was like, I know this shit is gonna pop, bro, because my podcast is lit. I know this shit is gonna pop off. Ain't nobody doing no shit like this. I need you to tell, because I know how you move. If this shit does well, I need a PJ flight to a prize fight. And he was just like. Put his hand out.
[09:27]
Eddie Huang
He's like, which fight he take you to?
[09:30]
Miro
No doubt. I'm trying to remember. It was. Was it Pacquiao? I think it might have been the same joint.
[09:35]
Eddie Huang
Oh, really?
[09:36]
Miro
No, it was Chavez. I got the ticket in my crib, bro, because I remember going there and going to dinner with this dude, right? And we sitting there, and it's like, Maverick Carter, like two dudes from Google. And I'm sitting next to him dressed like this. These are all. These motherfuckers.
[09:54]
Eddie Huang
Take you to that steakhouse with the A5 Kobe. Yeah, yeah. He running the same game on all. He's like, diddy, bro. You know what I'm saying? He running the same game on everyone. It's like the same lotion and everything.
[10:05]
Unknown
You guys got the baby oil.
[10:08]
Eddie Huang
He grease you up with that a 5 wagyu.
[10:11]
Miro
Yo, so he's like, talking to me, and he's just like. He's like. You know, my father used to say. I'm like, damn. I was like, I'm high as boy. Like. Like, this is not the time for this conversation. I'm just trying to eat. Like, what are we doing here? And he's just like. My father used to say, life is A sandwich. The more bread you got, the less you gotta eat. And I was just like, gotta make some sense. I was like, all right, that's a bar. And then he's just like. And then it was like some James Bond shit. Like, four shorties appear out of nowhere. They call them atmosphere models nowadays. Back in the days, we used to just say, you sound.
[10:49]
Eddie Huang
She was calling them atmosphere models, too.
[10:52]
Unknown
I was gone.
[10:53]
Miro
That's a very creative way to be. Like, yo, I sell. You know what I'm saying? But, like, five shorties appear out of nowhere. Like, we walk through this crazy hallway.
[11:02]
Eddie Huang
And the atmosphere changed.
[11:03]
Miro
Sh. Atmosphere changed. We walked past this room.
[11:06]
Unknown
It's like the baby oil is floating.
[11:07]
Miro
Asian motherfuckers in there playing mahjong, smoking cigarettes back to back. Like, I seen chip colors I'd never seen before in my life.
[11:13]
Eddie Huang
Damn, bro, your trip was much better than mine, bro.
[11:17]
Miro
Bro, I walked out of there, and I was just like, this is crazy, bro. Like, this whole situation is crazy. Steve Stout walked in out of nowhere. I'm like, what kind of fucking who's the man? Sitcom ass shit is this, bro? Like, just random niggas walking through. Like, yo, hey. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, I don't got the bread that y' all got. Not even close. I got, like. I got orthodontist money, bro. Like, I got successful orthodontist money at this point in my career. So I'm just like, yo, I'm not throwing five bands on the table in Blackjack. So he does it. He's just like, yo, here, have some fun for once in your fucking life.
[11:48]
Eddie Huang
Shout out Eddie Murdy. Eddie Muradi threw me, like, five GS and chips. And I was like, I'm not above picking up a crumb off the table, bro. I'm taking five GS only. That's five GS, right?
[11:57]
Miro
So. But as a gambler, I was just like. He threw it. And I was just like, all right, bro, I'm gonna play it. But I'm not gonna play it for real, because I'm like, in my head, I'm like, whatever. I run up, I'm gonna have to go pay taxes, do paperwork. All this shit, bro, if this was a brick and I got 50 bands, tuck it. I'm tucking it and I'm out. That's great, but this is, like, taxes and government shit. So, like, I'm playing it stupid. I'm doubling down, yo. Hit me. I'm 20. Hit me. Bang, Ace, boom, bong. Bong, bong, bong, bro. I like 80 bands.
[12:24]
Eddie Huang
Wow.
[12:25]
Miro
Then I'm like, yo, this is a different trip, bro. Boom. 30 on one hand. L. It's. Now I'm at 50. 1001. L. Another 10. Now I'm back at 50. He's like. And then he looks at me, he's like, you might want to cash out before you lose everything. And I was just like, yeah, I was like. I was like, like, this is your money, bro. Like, I ain't taking this, bro. And I said the same, like, I'm gonna pay taxes on this, bro. Not that. Like, I appreciate you. Whatever, whatever. Then he goes, just random white guy, just have him cash it out on my account. And I was like, what, bro? I left out of there with 50 bands. And then I called my wife. I was just like, yo, you're never gonna believe this shit, bro. I just won 30 bands.
[13:05]
Eddie Huang
The greatest trip ever. That's the greatest trip ever.
[13:08]
Miro
And then. But then after that, it was just like, all right, bro. Like, that was like you saying, like the, you know, the, the. The. From the. I forget if it's from the Mac or what, but the line of like, you know, like, you keep them pretty, you know, keep them good, keep them looking good, but no money. No, no, no. So that, like, he gave you some bread. He was like, here's some bread. And it was just like, you'll never see bread again. Like, like, type shit. You know what I mean?
[13:33]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, he gave us some gold plated ass rings and shit.
[13:36]
Miro
You feel me? I'm like, damn, dog, give me some shit I can sell back at least.
[13:39]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, no, I. I thought it was fly too, because he was taking us on the trips. And then like, you know, Eddie Moretti was throwing some chips my way. But then they never paid my residuals, just held out, never paid my residuals. I had to have an auditor come in and look at it. And they're like, minimum, these cats owe you 380. But. But really because of 600? Yeah, because we had the number one and two shows always. It was Oscar, it was Diesel, Miro, or Wong's World. Always back and forth. We was a number one in two shows. And then like, I was like, where's the money at? Because, like, we're carrying it. You run a marathon some, bro.
[14:15]
Miro
And that's why I'm glad I don't sign a motherfucking NDA. Shout out to the. Whoever the federal government that said, like, yo, you cannot tie NDA to a severance package or whatever. The fuck? Because when I dipped out of there, I was like, I ain't signing shit. When I dipped out of Showtime, I was like, I ain't signing shit. Yo, if y' all fucked up. Yeah. I'm gonna let y' all know y' all fucked up.
[14:32]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. See, I signed the shit. But then what happened was when they didn't pay my residuals, I fought them in bankruptcy. And because they never fulfilled the deal paying the residuals, it canceled my NDA, and I could make the DOC So.
[14:44]
Miro
Body to body them. That's my shit, bro. Like, I came into this shit. Like, I was saying, like, thinking, like, yo, entertainment is like corporate America. It's a meritocracy. You make a good product and it will thrive and blah, blah, blah.
[14:55]
Eddie Huang
It's like, nah, grimier than we were, bro.
[14:58]
Miro
Yeah, crazy. So I'm like. I'm like, I. We're back to selling crack.
[15:02]
Eddie Huang
When you. When you came in and show business, right, did you like. Because I definitely tried to be a little straighter than I was, like, 100% be on my P's and Q's. Hello, sir. You know, like, speak with comments like that.
[15:13]
Unknown
Hello, sir.
[15:13]
Eddie Huang
Like, I put semicolons in my speech, you know? But then I realized I was like, yo, these dudes are grimier.
[15:20]
Miro
They're grimier. And the shit is that, like. Like I said before, like, they'll. They'll. They'll get you for. For you. Like, yo, we want. You. We want the sauce that you bring into the table. But can you put, like. Can you, like, dilute that sauce a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Because we want to sell ads to Toyota, and you said some shit that made them upset, you know what I'm saying? So can you, like, not. And I'm like, nah, bro. Like, out of here. Like, I stand on what I stand on.
[15:44]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[15:45]
Miro
And that's it. That's why. It's like, I've. I wouldn't million times rather be independent and control my own destiny and shit and hustle more, you know what I'm saying? But when I get a bag, bro, that shit is all mine, you know what I'm saying? And the gang, you know what I mean? And, like, I'm not paying some weirdo that never even had anything to do with this whole process.
[16:01]
Eddie Huang
How's wifey feeling about the whole, like, roller coaster ride? Like, where's she at, bro?
[16:06]
Miro
Shorty's in the dark, you know what I'm saying? I just go out and go to work, bro. It's just like back in like, like back in the day. Like my ex girl didn't know what the I was doing, you know what I'm saying? She was just like, this motherfucker just got diesel jeans. I don't know how, you know what I'm saying? Like, cuz he's a bum, you know what I'm saying? But he leave, he leave the house every night at 10 o' clock with the same Puerto Rican dude.
[16:24]
Eddie Huang
I remember the best story ever was like, yo, yo, when did you know you like loved your wife? You're like, oh, when she bought me the big screen tv.
[16:32]
Miro
She co signed it. She was like, yo, listen, you broke. Like your credit is score is like 300. I'm like, yo, they, I have never had a credit thing turned around so fast. Like I went to best. I was like, yo, I'm trying to get this 55 inch. She was like two bands at the time. And I was just like, yo, let me get it on the credit card. Let me get the Best Buy credit card. I filled that out. Boy, that did the home, the, the, the Grandpa Simpson, he was just like, nah. He's like, ah. And she came, she was just like, yo, I'm gonna put my name on it. And it was like, you got $50,000 worth of credit. I was like, damn. I was like, yo, I'm about to get the 60 HTV. Fuck that.
[17:07]
Unknown
Matter of fact, it was the biggest one.
[17:09]
Miro
You got credit. Word. And that's why I heard Victor's voice in my head like, yo, you gotta pay that back.
[17:14]
Eddie Huang
No, because they had me turned around in Hollywood for a couple years there, like right after the pandemic, because everyone was like, look, it's harder to get things on things like that. You need to be thinking in these buckets. And they were like, do you have an adult comedy animation? Like they were breaking it down like that. Can you write something for this age demographic and this race of people? I was like, ah, that's an awkward way to work. But like we tried to do a few projects, like almost like assignment work. And she, she was the one that was just like, yo, this ain't, this shit ain't for you, man. Just do you.
[17:47]
Unknown
Yeah. They kept doing the thing that you're saying where it's like, you're so great, we love you, but like be less you. Yeah, they're like, so the things that make you you. Let's, let's stop that and let's do more of this. Like, who would you like to Would you be more like this guy? And then they'd pick like, random Asian. Random sterile Asian guy.
[18:05]
Miro
Like.
[18:05]
Unknown
Like, do more that. And I'm like, that's not you.
[18:07]
Miro
Do you, Bro, there's more than like four Asians, bro.
[18:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[18:10]
Miro
You know what I'm saying?
[18:10]
Unknown
Like, they pick one, they're like, do what he's doing.
[18:14]
Miro
Can you be like, a little bit more?
[18:15]
Eddie Huang
Can you be gay? I try. Let me get my Patrick. Like it.
[18:22]
Unknown
Suck a little dick and then write a show.
[18:25]
Miro
Yeah, yeah, that should be me up. That's why I'm just like, nah, that. Like, I'll go into a zoom with anybody and be like, yo, what's good? You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that's me talking about.
[18:34]
Eddie Huang
Wish they said bowling. Yeah. I was like, I could be closer to bowing. They'd be like, Jimmy Oyang. You know what I'm saying? Like, you love Jimmy, but, like, I can't do what he's.
[18:40]
Miro
Big Bang Theory's got the numbers.
[18:42]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they got the numbers. Exactly. You know how many places I went? Meetings, too. And they would. They would start them off like, oh, yo, we also have a script with your boy. The mirror. The kid. Miro, bro.
[18:53]
Miro
Wow, fam. I feel like you, me, and like three other people are in every single fucking pitch deck.
[19:00]
Eddie Huang
Yes.
[19:00]
Miro
For every single fucking brand in America right now.
[19:03]
Eddie Huang
It's like me, you, and Zack Fox. It's like, I swear to God, that's it.
[19:07]
Miro
It's like, if we could get the three of them together, we'd be unstoppable.
[19:10]
Eddie Huang
But they would have, like, Abbott Middle School.
[19:14]
Miro
And that's the shit. But then they will get the three of us together and be like, okay, guys, can you just like, say the. Our Father.
[19:20]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[19:20]
Miro
Straight down the street of the camera and pledge allegiance to the flag.
[19:24]
Eddie Huang
It's like they know the we're doing is fly, but then they're too scared of it to do it. And I was like, yo, I'm just get back in the trenches in New York and do it my way and.
[19:33]
Miro
Just do it, you know? And that's why when I seen it, I was like. It was like, Eddie Wong is back in New York City cooking, like. And I'm like, he's double entendre. Don't even ask me how. He's back in New York City cooking, baby. You know what I'm saying? Like, but that's just. That's the. Like, I realized that too, bro. And like, I was talking shout out to two Tone, man. From Born and Raised. Like, he got the Positive Truth Angels podcast. And. And he was just like, yo, bro. Like, there's like, a return to, like, writing, bro. Cuz, I'm on your substack.
[19:58]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[19:59]
Miro
You know what I mean? And it's like, it's going back to, like, yo, people want real.
[20:03]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[20:03]
Miro
Like, people don't want, like, yo, cuz, AI all this other bro is going crazy. Like, and it's like, funny, like, in a meme. But I'm like, bro, like, nobody. This is like a compilation of a bunch of that other people wrote. Like, I want to hear you, bro. Like, when I read your. I hear you. When people read my. They hear me. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why people be like, yo, fam. Like, I can't wait for that fatherhood book that you working on, bro. Yo, because you already got Level knowledge charts. And it was like he was talking to me. I bought the audiobook and it was like, yo, it was even crazier.
[20:34]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[20:34]
Miro
So I'm just like, bro, like, that's. That's the real, like, sauce. You know what I mean?
[20:39]
Eddie Huang
You created, too that cats don't know in Hollywood, and they take it from you. Like, for instance, the word knowledge darts. That's you. You came up with that. I hear mad people say the caps lock shit. That's you. You know what I mean? Like, when I talk to you, I talk in caps lock. Because it's like, if I talk to a Chinese person, I'm gonna speak Chinese to them. If I talk to you, I'm putting caps lock. You the caps lock killer. You know what I mean? Like, people would. Would come up with things like that. You should do that. I'm like, no, that's his. You know, someone came to me once, an agent came to me was like, you should do a bodega comedy set, New York. I was, nah, if you want that, you call Miro. You don't call me. You know what I'm saying?
[21:16]
Miro
You know what's crazy? So many people, like, talk about pitch decks and, like, how marketing and all these motherfuckers work. It's just like five white dudes in there, like, all right, looking at a mood board. Like, okay, so we have urban Asian guy. Okay. Yep. We have Afro, Afro Latin, Afro Latino guy here. Puerto Rican, Dominican. Doesn't matter. Same thing.
[21:43]
Eddie Huang
Sexual Jamaican.
[21:44]
Miro
But there you go, boom. Bisexual Jamaican guy. Put them all together, success, great, let's do it. And then when you go to do the Shay, it's like, Nah, like, don't do that. Yeah, but, like, the. The. The real part of that shit is just, like, they'll, like, all, like, the bodega boy shit. Like, that whole era, bro. Like, that shit inspired a bunch of shit and, like. Like, real people, you know I'm saying? Which I'm super glad for, like, about. And I'm super grateful everybody stops me. The street is just like, yo, bro. Like, yo, I was getting chemo, dog, and I was listening to your shit. I'm like, yo, love.
[22:16]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[22:17]
Miro
Fucking Marlboro doing a pitch deck and having me in the shit, bro. And like, being like, yo, we're going to do the Marlboro BOD activation at fucking south by Southwest. Like, yeah, bro, get the fuck out of here, bro. Like, there's no bodegas in Texas.
[22:30]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, we were doing the same shit. And what they don't realize is fresh off the boat. The boat was the vehicle for me to talk about immigrants coming to America and figuring out their place. The bodega was the vehicle for you to talk about Afro Latino people figuring out their place in New York City. But they. They. It's like they stare at the boat and they stare at the bodega, and they think it's about that. It's like, no, bro, it can be.
[22:52]
Miro
You got to go inside.
[22:53]
Eddie Huang
Singular voice. It's the singular voice that wasn't made in a lab, that wasn't an algorithm, because there's no way to, like, calculate. This is the generational Afro Latino show. Like, that new thing they got on FX called Adults. I was like, this is terrible. This is some terrible shit. And you can tell they're just, like, trying so hard to make the generational young adult comedy.
[23:16]
Miro
It's like, focus group shit. Yo, Doug, like. Like, part of the reason, like, that attracted me to, like, the Vice brand, not the company. Once you get in the company, you're like, oh, shit, this shit is a disaster. But the brand was like, yo, we don't give a. Like, this shit is cool, but it's cool organically.
[23:33]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[23:34]
Miro
You know what I'm saying? Like, your shit was cool organically.
[23:36]
Eddie Huang
You do laugh sometimes when they try to explain shit to you. Like, okay, so we need this to appeal to a wider, like, also a white audience. Do you ever just turn and be like, I live with a white woman.
[23:46]
Miro
Yeah, I live.
[23:47]
Eddie Huang
I live with one.
[23:50]
Miro
How am I also. Listen, if you want me to say.
[23:53]
Eddie Huang
Talking about y' all, like, y' all are like, like, goofy and don't know. I shouldn't Say retard, but, like, goofy and stupid and like, don't know what's going on. I'm like, white people are not stupid.
[24:02]
Miro
Like, that's the shit. The crazy shit to me is also like, fam, like, if you don't want me to say nigga on camera, just say that. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, you know what I mean? It's just like, bro, you too light skinned. So is Dell Curry. You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck are we talking about here? So, like, I think that's what they. When they say that shit to me. That's what they say. Like, yo, just can you like, you know, maybe say brothers, you know, or, you know, this is for a certain demographic and I'm just like, I, bro, so like, I understand that part. You know what I mean? And like, you know, you got to acquiesce a little bit, you know, you got to play. It's time to play the game.
[24:40]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, I see Chinaman, like 30% less, you know, 30%. Just 30% less.
[24:45]
Unknown
Softened your edges.
[24:46]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, yeah.
[24:47]
Miro
You know, like, like, like my Chinese adjacent brother over here, man Train. You know what I'm saying?
[24:55]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, I like that. The history. Because they did come from the Chinese, the plains of, of middle China to Vietnam, you know, that is the folk.
[25:02]
Miro
I didn't even know that.
[25:03]
Eddie Huang
No, I'm just kidding.
[25:06]
Miro
That's what the Chinese people tell me.
[25:08]
Eddie Huang
That's what we say. That's what.
[25:09]
Miro
That's what we say.
[25:10]
Eddie Huang
Yo, Chinese people got a story for everything. Like, like J. We will tell people that they were Chinese people from like the internal ministry. The smartest advisors of the emperor went looking for the fountain of youth, could not find it and didn't want to get killed. So they stayed in Japan. Everyone, that's a good story. They all Chinese.
[25:27]
Miro
Yo, fuck it, bro.
[25:28]
Eddie Huang
Chinese, they just the freaky ones saying.
[25:30]
Miro
Like, yo, yo, y' all put panties in the vending machine. That's wild. Yeah, I got the dick sucking machine. Like, that is crazy.
[25:37]
Eddie Huang
I asked for that for Father's Day. She didn't get it.
[25:39]
Unknown
It's in the mail. It's not. It's not ready yet.
[25:41]
Miro
That's crazy. I would use that, bro, and just be like, I would use that on some baby boy shit.
[25:46]
Eddie Huang
Like, use it and return it.
[25:48]
Miro
Like this dishwasher safe. I put that shit in it with all my kids. Cups. Yeah, all 30 tumblers.
[25:59]
Unknown
What's this one?
[26:01]
Miro
It's a very small cup.
[26:02]
Eddie Huang
You know this cup got.
[26:05]
Miro
It'S Kind of like a diva cup in a way. No, that's.
[26:09]
Eddie Huang
That was the funniest thing to me though, was when they have notes and try to be like. So the audience that we know well, the white women audience, they want this. And I'm like, yo, I showed it to my wife. She's. She, you know, she's into it. She likes it. I don't know what to tell you.
[26:22]
Unknown
Speak for all white women everywhere. My opinion is all the only one.
[26:26]
Eddie Huang
On the 92nd Street.
[26:27]
Miro
Why?
[26:27]
Eddie Huang
You know what I'm saying?
[26:28]
Miro
That's it.
[26:28]
Eddie Huang
She's been there.
[26:29]
Miro
Come on. If you ever bought like a, like a fancy cookie.
[26:32]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[26:32]
Miro
You know what I'm saying?
[26:33]
Unknown
That's all we do. We're out here just buying fancy cookies. A croissant. I will stand in line for a croissant. I'm not about that.
[26:41]
Miro
Because it's. It's real. It's French.
[26:43]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[26:43]
Unknown
It's not from Costco French. And it's collabed with somebody with a French fucking name. I'm in line, baby. I'm like, let's get it.
[26:50]
Miro
Let's get it.
[26:51]
Eddie Huang
From your point of view. Isn't it funny though, when they edit and change our stuff for like the hypothetical you point of view?
[26:59]
Unknown
Yes. But I think you can always feel that, like, I think it's present in the room with you that like, okay, we get it. This is a watered down, edited version of what it would have been.
[27:09]
Miro
His foot's on a break. His foot is not on the gas. Right?
[27:11]
Unknown
Well, because there's always. There's was a time where that wasn't happening. Like, there's so many shows that you can reference and, and honestly, from the, like the 90s, there's a lot of shows that were just authentically what they were like. You could have that culture, that person represented authentically. And then we weirdly swayed from that where it became the whitewashed, watered down version.
[27:31]
Miro
It was crazy, cuz. Like you saying, like in the 90s, bro, I remember coming home and watching like and Living Color and Rock and Thea and Martin and Sister. Sister and all this you movies like Love Jones, Love Jones, Love and Basketball. All this, bro. And all that was like viable entertainment. Okay?
[27:49]
Unknown
And ask any little white girl if they with Sister. Sister. We did. We love that.
[27:54]
Miro
Roger. Yeah, go home, Roger. Come on, show. Come on.
[28:01]
Unknown
It's just funny. Like, even Girlfriends, I'm like, where is the authentic version of that? Now we're getting adults on fx where it's like, okay, did you just like, bit Lena Dunham and tried to make it queer. That's not cool.
[28:11]
Miro
That's not cool at all, bro. Like, I seen that with the. With the Sex in the City movie where they had the one character that was. She was like, I'm non B. I'm non binary and queer. And this. I was like, get this out of here. I was like, yo, bro, y' all made this in a lab? Yeah.
[28:25]
Unknown
The gag is they have Cynthia getting fisted by a butch lesbian in car's kitchen. I'm like, that's not real.
[28:31]
Eddie Huang
That's not real.
[28:34]
Unknown
It's so tea, but it's just not. I'm like, so we're checking boxes now? Queer.
[28:39]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[28:40]
Unknown
Biracial, this, that. And it's just. Then you've just come up with the rest. The worst recipe in the world. I'm like, this. This shit sucks.
[28:48]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. My experience recently has been a lot of actors want to participate in the films I'm writing or the shows I'm writing. And the. It's the. The agents and the executives can't see it. But I'm like, why don't you just get out of the way? If all the artists agree, you should just get out the way. I see you at the Chase Bank. I see you at the Chase bank, bro. Because what they're doing isn't working, bro.
[29:09]
Miro
Let me tell you something. Agents are not agents anymore. Agents are fucking brokers.
[29:13]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[29:14]
Miro
Like, that's it. It's triangle offense, bro. It's the White Shoe law firm. It's the studio, it's the agency, and they are triangulating to get you for the low.
[29:21]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Right now it's like the dude at the basketball run who has bricked every shot and then still telling everyone how to do shit. It's like, yo, maybe you should pass the rock. Just move the rock.
[29:30]
Miro
Like, bro, try to lay up, bro. Try to live to get yourself going, you know? Some water. Get some water like you feel me? Like, yo, go sit on the bench. Yo, Khalil, come here. Yeah, yeah. Cause this ain't it. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's like, Victor says this all the time, and I'm still in an act. Like I said to myself. Yeah, I can edit it. There is no. Well, there's some. But there is a dearth of executive level talent, bro.
[29:53]
Eddie Huang
Yes.
[29:53]
Miro
All these places, bro, at all these networks, like, they don't know. Like, to your point, it's just like, yo, I'm just cram all this shit together, and it's gonna work because this worked and that worked and this worked. Yeah, but it's all like, bro, I don't want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with fucking sardines, nigga. Like, yeah, these are. These are three different things that I enjoy separately. Like, if you just smash them together, that's not going to make it good.
[30:15]
Eddie Huang
It's hard to have good executives because you got to have good taste and be artistic. But then the hardest thing is to have, like, your ego and check and understand that you're not an artist and you're not it. And there's, like, a water's edge to your understanding where you just got to hand the baton off to artists and be like, go get it. There's also, you know.
[30:33]
Unknown
Yeah, I mean, there's.
[30:34]
Miro
Here's the. Here's the. What's your. What do you need? Yeah, that's all. Yeah, listen. Look at me. Producers, fucking Warner Brothers, Universal, David Zaslav. You know what I'm saying? Look at me. All you got to do, motherfucker, is write the check, bro. Write the fucking check. If I tell you I need 2 million to get this shit shaken, write the check for 2 million, and I will make you look like a fucking genius.
[30:56]
Eddie Huang
You just place bets. Place bets.
[30:58]
Unknown
Run his money.
[30:59]
Miro
Like, that's.
[31:00]
Unknown
Run him his money.
[31:01]
Miro
Come on, gang. Like. Like, you know, like, it's like, bro, we have had success in media. Like, we have created products that have been successful and changed culture and shape shit.
[31:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, we created shit they didn't see coming. They could not have created this shit in the thing.
[31:14]
Unknown
It used to be people creating something, and then you had people around you taking a chance. Now everyone's become a slave to the algorithm where they're like, well, this is what the out. This is what the numbers say of this show. And it's like, cool, but like this. No one wanted the Sopranos. They were like, this show kind of sucks. We watched a documentary on it, and they were like, every. No one believed in this. They thought the show was gonna flop. They were like, this is. We're taking. We're. This is a big L. And then it came out.
[31:41]
Eddie Huang
It's like a show of all time.
[31:43]
Unknown
Best shows of all time. So it's like that doesn't exist anymore. That doesn't exist in this creator.
[31:48]
Eddie Huang
No economy.
[31:49]
Miro
And that used to be like. Like you said. Like, that was because it was. The executives were people that, like, had made shit, right? Like, these motherfuckers, they don't make shit.
[31:59]
Eddie Huang
No, they go in the back Room.
[32:00]
Miro
And they like, yo, how much is this going to cost?
[32:03]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. And that's why I'm back on sub stacking in the kitchen, because there's no executive telling me what to do there. I just get the G off. And same with the podcast. And when I saw you making the pivots, I was like, yo, I love this because me and you is always linked up. And when I saw the victory light in the Dallas BBQs, I was just.
[32:19]
Miro
Like, come on, come on. You know, we got it back. You know, we get it back for that. It's not for free. But at the same time, it made sense because I was like, when I talked to those dudes, shout to Greg and Stu, like, they're the type of restaurateurs that are like, yo, these shits are franchises. Like, if you a busboy here in 10 years, you might around and be the owner of this. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I. With that, like, ethos, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, this is dope. Plus, I was going there every year for my birthday. Yeah. And getting lit off the Texas size margaritas, bro. I'm like, yeah, like, going crazy. The cornbread, bro, they give you a bowl of chili with a bag of Cool Ranch Doritos.
[33:02]
Eddie Huang
One of our first dates, I took her there. Yeah.
[33:05]
Miro
You know what I'm saying?
[33:05]
Eddie Huang
So the moscatos in the frozen drink, it's one of the greatest restaurants of all time, bro.
[33:11]
Miro
And it's like a New York institution, right? So it's just like, this makes sense. I'm a New York dude. I spent a lot of time here. So listen, Eddie Wong, fucking Denzel Washington, bro. Fucking LeBron, whoever the fuck it is that's coming through here to chop it up. We gonna drink a heady colada, you know what I'm saying? We gotta eat some wings, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, there's gonna be Puerto Ricans in the background making noise. And that's what it is.
[33:34]
Eddie Huang
Because you did the bodega, the next move is it. Dallas BBQS was the perfect. I was like, yo, he can only go one of two ways. After the bodega, it's either Dallas BBQs or City Island. There's only two spots to go.
[33:48]
Miro
Sammy's fish box is too small. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Johnny's. So we can't be. We can't be shooting over there.
[33:53]
Eddie Huang
Well, I try to explain City island to people. I'm like, it's a fake island beach where you go eat, like, fish and barbecue and shrimp and crab. That's it.
[34:01]
Miro
And like I said, watch Puerto Ricans fight. Yeah, yeah.
[34:03]
Eddie Huang
I can't say that, but. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's what I was going there to eat. Crabs to watch.
[34:11]
Miro
I mean, fried clams. Like, God damn, bro. Yeah, stop throwing the chairs.
[34:17]
Eddie Huang
It's been. Go eat shellfish and watch what's on Crime Faces Live, you know?
[34:23]
Miro
That's City island facts, bro, and I love it, you know what I'm saying? But, yeah, no, that deal made sense, bro. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that is, like, now that's, like, my, like, view of, like, how we doing this, right? Like, this gotta make sense. I did the lid shout out to. Shout out to, you know?
[34:38]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, that was the Father's Day shout.
[34:39]
Miro
The queens py, you know what I'm saying? Made that happen. You know what I mean? And it's just like, all like, bro, I'm a BALD Motherfucker with four kids, bro. My hat is my hair, you know, 30 different.
[34:50]
Eddie Huang
I've never seen you without a hat on.
[34:51]
Miro
Straight up, you know what I'm saying? You never will, you know what I'm saying? Unless I got the clean bald in. I'm like, you know what?
[34:57]
Eddie Huang
The next business we need to bring back, though, is off track betting. Yo, we need to otb. Otb. Listen, yo, we need OTB back.
[35:04]
Miro
I said this shit before, bro, and this is like, going back, like, years and years and years, right? Like, this was like when DraftKings was first getting started. And it was like a deal on the table. And everybody at my agency was like, yo, this is crazy. No, no. This is like selling crack. This is stigma attached to this. And I was like. I was like, yo, you stupid. I was like, I sold narcotics. I can tell you one thing right now. I gamble. Like, not with this shit. Like, I've been doing this for a while. Anything that people is like, yo, I need that is gonna make fucking money. It's gonna make fucking money. I was just like, y' all are fucking stupid with this fucking morality shit. We don't work for Disney, motherfucker. Like, what are we doing here?
[35:44]
Eddie Huang
They're doing it anyway.
[35:46]
Miro
They're gonna do it anyway.
[35:47]
Eddie Huang
Anyway. And. But the best version was watching OTB. The cats at OTB running to the McDonald's, running back across four lanes of traffic on the lane, seat.
[35:57]
Miro
Number 10. Let's go, number 10. Come on.
[36:01]
Eddie Huang
The newspaper.
[36:03]
Miro
Come on. Don't jam, bro. I'm telling you, I'm better than the cards. No more, man. I want to do the car. The three wheel cards is not it, bro.
[36:11]
Eddie Huang
Delance, he was the hottest block in Europe. We got to bring that back.
[36:14]
Miro
Like, they had one to punch us in the Bronx.
[36:16]
Eddie Huang
An OTB where you could like, sanction dice games, you know, some dominoes, bet on horses, bet on dogs. You know, that would be the women's Argentinian league.
[36:27]
Miro
Oh, dog. I was, yeah, listen, bro, because it don't matter. I had this one that I heard this call. I say. I used to say, like, I called and made this request, but it was really him because he's a true degenerate. He was. He called the bookie on the phone. This is like pre abs, pre everything. He was just like, we sitting there watching Jamal Crawford cross up Kirk Heinrich in like 2005. And he's just like, he's like, yo, yo, what's the line on Penn's Penn State women's volleyball? I'm like, yo, what are you asking for, bro? Like, Pence Collegiate women's volleyball.
[37:02]
Unknown
Yeah, homie. Betting on the boyish Chilean basketball league.
[37:06]
Eddie Huang
Like, yeah, like, and women's Argentinian basketball. This dude Mills, like, he'll call it crazy. Yeah, bro, I respect that.
[37:13]
Miro
Yeah. And that's the like, bro, I made money all 2006 betting Mets over four and a half runs and Italy to win the World Cup.
[37:21]
Eddie Huang
Oh, wow.
[37:22]
Miro
Like, I made a bag. You know what I'm saying?
[37:23]
Eddie Huang
Carlos Beltran, year.
[37:25]
Miro
That was. That was David Wright, Jose Reyes.
[37:27]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, yeah.
[37:28]
Miro
Willie Randolph, small ball. Yeah, like, they was just. And I knew, like, as a, as a Dominicano puppy, I know, I baseball. So I was just like, yo, small ball, that should produce his rounds. You get them on, you get them over. Jose Reyes is going to steal a lot of bases. There's a lot of fast guys. Delgado's a power guy.
[37:42]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[37:43]
Miro
I was like, this is a lot.
[37:44]
Eddie Huang
Yeah, that was, that was. That was a good ass team, you.
[37:47]
Miro
Know what I'm saying?
[37:47]
Eddie Huang
Right after the Manners were playing small ball too, the Mariners was doing that.
[37:50]
Miro
Small ball, you know what I'm saying? So I knew, but then they was like, no, no, no. And I'm just like, how about now? How you feel now? Because it was like offering equity and like that. And I'm like, made 11, Billy.
[38:03]
Eddie Huang
I hit a cold streak betting this year in the NBA playoffs too, man. I had a cold streak.
[38:08]
Unknown
I feel like we always owe them.
[38:10]
Eddie Huang
The last two years was cold, bro. How have you been the last two years?
[38:15]
Miro
I've been you know, up and down. But my shit was like. Like, I feel like I'm always up because of that one. Knicks, I don't know if it was the two seasons ago where Julius Randle, they were covering every game.
[38:26]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[38:26]
Miro
Because the spreads were stupid. They were still like knicks spreads. Like 16 and a half against the Trailblazers. I'm like, this is crazy. They gonna lose by four.
[38:34]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[38:35]
Miro
Not 16 and a half. So I'm like, bang that. So I was just hitting that and I was making money doing that. But, you know, now I'm just like, this guy's going to score the next touchdown. $5.
[38:48]
Eddie Huang
The worst thing happened to me last football season. I had a $29,000.
[38:52]
Miro
I'm a Giants fan, bro. So, like my. I was not.
[38:54]
Eddie Huang
Oh, this is. This is New York. This involves New York football. Okay. I had a $29,000 six leg parlay on prize picks that had hit all five legs down to our man's Devonte Adams on the New York Jets. All he needed to do was get over like 76 yards. Gets it. I'm screaming, I hit this 29, 000 parlay. And then they called it back because of offensive holding on the offensive line. And then they subbed him out of the game and I missed this parlay, bro. Brutal.
[39:27]
Miro
That is brutal. That's what it is.
[39:29]
Unknown
Like, that's what the sickness right there.
[39:31]
Miro
But that's what it is also. It just gamifies, bro, because, like, I'll watch football that I don't give a about. Like, I watched San Diego A. M. Tech versus, you know, Fordham Prep University Women's Leadership Academy.
[39:45]
Unknown
Yeah, we'll be doing the same. And I'm like, how do you know? Like, what's your feelings about this team? Like, what's the sentimentality? And he'll have a backstory for it. He'd be like, well, one time when I was a kid, we went on and I'm like, you?
[39:55]
Eddie Huang
I just make up to gamble.
[39:57]
Miro
Yeah.
[39:57]
Eddie Huang
She's like, are you hanging out tonight?
[39:59]
Miro
Yeah, yeah.
[39:59]
Eddie Huang
But this team's really important to me.
[40:01]
Unknown
It's so important to me. I'm like, oh, yeah, the. The Milwaukee Ducks, like, what are we talking about?
[40:06]
Miro
Yo, the brother that you never met, you know what I'm saying? He used to play for them. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He passed away on the field, like, you know what I'm saying? It was like a darvin hand. But he didn't say he ain't make it.
[40:15]
Eddie Huang
Our fifth Chinese brother one time My.
[40:17]
Unknown
Cousin worked at that stadium.
[40:19]
Miro
Okay.
[40:20]
Unknown
All right.
[40:21]
Miro
But it's just like, we bang on the Morganston's Bowl. I guess it like, it is what it is.
[40:27]
Eddie Huang
Are you still writing scripts?
[40:28]
Miro
Yeah, bro, but it's like the. Like, I'll write them and sit on them. It's out there. Men, too. Like, I'm a glaze, man. And people all episode. Because ain't buying, bro. Like, if you come out with some. Like, you got to write a Marvel movie now.
[40:43]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[40:44]
Miro
To get the shit. So, like, Ryan Coogler said this in an interview. He's just like, bro, I had to make three Black Panthers before I could make sinners.
[40:50]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[40:51]
Miro
You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, I. Man, like, I got some shit. I know it's hard. You know what I mean? But I'm like, fam, if you're giving me. So I was at Showtime, and they're like, yo, here's 400 bands to make this. This idea that you have. And I'm like, I'm not doing that because I know what the budget is for this show. Yeah. And it's not even close to what y' all are giving me for this. So, like, y' all are setting me up to fail. So suck my dick. I'm gonna put this in my drafts, and y' all are never gonna see this shit.
[41:17]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[41:17]
Miro
You know, and until the time is right. Cause I got a ton of shit sitting there.
[41:21]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[41:21]
Miro
You know what I mean? And it's just like, I. Bro, like, what are your options here? You either go get crowdfunded, or you put the money up yourself, or you find the fucking Medici family, you know, like, because the studios is.
[41:35]
Eddie Huang
Or you just wait for it to break. You wait for it to break, and then new money going to come in. Because I think that's what has to happen. These dudes have completely fucked it up 100%.
[41:45]
Miro
And it's all like. Like, again, executive level talent. Right. It's like, guys that don't create going up there, being like, I like how we're just gonna make the most money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, not, how are we gonna make something fire like Sopranos. Like, how are we gonna make something that's dope that we. That may not make? It's. It's pattern. I call it like Patagonia stock versus crypto.
[42:05]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[42:05]
Miro
You know I'm saying, like, we buy some crypto, like. You know what I'm saying? And this goes like this, and then it goes like this?
[42:10]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[42:11]
Miro
You look at Patagonia, it's like, that is going like this, bro. Because some finance bros love that shit. They never gonna stop wearing that.
[42:16]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[42:16]
Miro
So it's just like, I'd rather incrementally grow my shit over time and then look back to 10 years back and be like, oh, bro, like, we. We done 250% of this.
[42:24]
Eddie Huang
Like, yeah.
[42:25]
Miro
As opposed to being like, yo, my went like this, and now I'm in front of the bo. They like, yo, yo, you'll never see me with Eddie Juan on the podcast Dreams. Yo, listen, yo, pap, I'm sick, yo. I'm the Camaro, yo.
[42:39]
Eddie Huang
You know, no, we can't be like. We can't be broke like that. Never, bro. Never. That's why I just pivot to where I'm like, I can do my art, because I know the scripts I have are fire. I know a lot of great writers like you. You know, all the homies where I'm like, it's not us right now. This is fire. Put it in the drawer. Chill until the market is back, and then go places where you could do your thing. Pods, Substack restaurant. I wrote a novel, and I'm like, I'm gonna get back to it the way I did Fresh off the Boat. Write the book option, then the book, and then you have a lot more control.
[43:13]
Miro
That's it.
[43:13]
Eddie Huang
So I was like, I'm gonna write all my stories as novels and then sell them his scripts. Because, you know, like, it's almost like they need people who read actual books to tell them the shit is fire. Because these people don't know how to read, fam.
[43:26]
Miro
That is. That is like, a epic, bro. This, yo, fam. Like, I ain't even going to say these motherfuckers names, man. But, like, there was, like, these niggas did an interview, man, and it was too. These are two, like, rich, multi. Like, I would say billionaire dudes. And they said with a whole chest. I haven't read a book in years. Like, proudly. And I'm like, yo, y' all are what you should. I was like, bro, if I said that on a mic, my mom would, like, drop through the ceiling and be like, the. I bring you here for the. I bring you to America for a. Like, you talking. You telling these white people you don't really read books. How dare you, bro. Like that. And that is crazy to me, yo.
[44:12]
Eddie Huang
They're, like, proud to be dumb.
[44:14]
Miro
It's crazy, bro. So that just. And I'm like, yo, and you're in charge of this whole corporation. Oh, we're cooked. We're cooked.
[44:21]
Eddie Huang
It's like, it will break. It is breaking. The country's breaking. Everything's breaking. And I'm like, yo, I'm gonna. Just keep doing me, and I'll be here when we rebuild this.
[44:29]
Miro
Yeah, bro, Listen, in the meantime, I'll be in Punta Rusia, Republica, Dominica now. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just. I'm. I'm going over there with 20 bands strapped to my thigh, bro, and I'm just buying. Buying a beach.
[44:40]
Eddie Huang
Like, a lot of people are moving back to Puerto Rico.
[44:43]
Unknown
They are.
[44:44]
Eddie Huang
I've been seeing, like, a lot of immigrants are just moving back home, like, going on.
[44:47]
Miro
Yeah, bro.
[44:48]
Eddie Huang
It's like, you don't want us here. You don't value us here, so I.
[44:51]
Miro
All right, go ahead, yo. Go ahead. Pick them strawberries, Tony.
[44:53]
Eddie Huang
Yeah.
[44:55]
Miro
Let's see how long you last out there, bro, with your alabaster skin.
[44:58]
Eddie Huang
Yeah. Can you show me again which one is the strawberry?
[45:02]
Miro
Is it red or is it the blue one? Yeah, because blueberries, I would assume is the blueberries. Berries, because they're blue, but this is, like, more like a magenta.
[45:10]
Eddie Huang
This is hilarious, man.
[45:11]
Miro
It's crazy, bro. Like, this is fine. The game is up, but, hey, it. Like you said, it's gonna break eventually, and when it does, like, we here, be ready. You know what I'm saying?
[45:20]
Eddie Huang
We here, we ready. I love it. Yo, thank you. What.
[45:23]
Miro
How.
[45:24]
Eddie Huang
How long have we going? An hour. This has been incredible. Yeah, about an hour. Yo, bro, thank you for coming on the show, but, bro, thank you for coming on the show, because I felt like, wait, Miro just kind of gave us a. Was the perfect ending. I love it. I love it. I love to see my guy. Great to see you.
[45:38]
Unknown
Thank you so much for coming.
[45:40]
Miro
Pleasure to finally meet you. I feel like I know you.