Wasian Takeover, Fapello Liquer& Looksmaxxing With James Harris

Summary

Canal Street Dreams
Episode: Wasian Takeover, Fapello Liquor & Looksmaxxing With James Harris
Hosts: Eddie Huang & Natashia Perrotti
Guest: James Harris
Date: March 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Canal Street Dreams dives deep into the intersections of Asian/Wasian identity, fashion, podcast culture, and the quirky side of New York’s creative scene. Eddie and Natashia sit down with James Harris, co-host of the men's fashion podcast Throwing Fits, for a wide-ranging conversation on career origins, the evolution of creative communities in NYC, "looksmaxxing," new generational attitudes toward style and self-improvement, as well as the blurred lines between food, style, and internet culture. The episode is marked by trademark jokes, nostalgia for NYC’s creative heyday, and candid admissions about surviving—and thriving—in both the fashion and media worlds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Early Creative Community & NYC Origins

• Wyden & Kennedy Sample Sale [03:59 - 06:15]:
  The hosts and James reminisce on the infamous Wyden & Kennedy sample sales that acted as a “big bang” for millennial NYC creative culture.

  • Many future creatives and founders, from Nick Catchdubs to Warby Parker’s team, crossed paths there.
  • "That's where, like, millennial fucking culture began." – James Harris [06:05]
  • “We invented D2C at the Wyden Kennedy sample sale.” – James Harris [06:12]

• NYC Hustle, Survival, and Friendship [06:37 - 07:17]:
  James recounts the days of unpaid internships, splitting Subway Footlongs, freeloading at events, and the grind of trying to break into media and make connections.

  • “Jared Fogel saved my life. As a young twink, Jared Fogel saved my life.” – James Harris [06:52]

Fashion Bros, Podcasting & Complex Media

• Creating Media From Scratch [07:33 - 13:48]:
  • From the now-lost “Fashion Bros” series to finding their lane in podcasting, James details the journey from scrappy beginnings to full-time podcaster with Throwing Fits.
  • The allure and pitfalls of clout-chasing in booking celebrity guests.
  • "I feel like we fell into a bit of a clout trap. … And it's like, yeah, you did a conversation with a lot of celebs…” – James Harris [13:28]
  • The real work: Four days a week, including guest episodes and “boys only” paywall talks.

Looksmaxxing, Peptides & Culture Shifts

• Looksmaxxing as a Male Obsession [10:30 - 12:42]:
  • James and the group joke about how TikTok is feeding young men an endless stream of “looksmaxxing” and “debloating” content, which women have been doing forever.
  • “Women have been doing this for a really long time.” – Chris [11:19]
  • The parallels to South Korean boy band recruitment processes and ancient face-rubbing beauty rituals for contouring.
  • The new landscape of performance peptides and “Chinese qigong” techniques.

Mixed Heritage, Parenthood & Identity

• Raising a Wa- (Wasian) Child [17:19 - 18:31]:

  • Eddie and Natashia talk about navigating parenthood as an interethnic couple (their child is Italian, Greek, and Chinese) and the tangents about terms like “Wapanese” and “Based Wop”.
  • “Wap was like the original fob.” – James Harris [18:12]
  • The rise and normalization of "Wajian" (White + Asian) identity in their NYC circles, compared to how it was in their childhood.

• Wasian ‘Superpowers’ & Growing up in the Middle [24:22 - 26:47]:

  • The “code-switching” skillset and sense of not belonging that comes from growing up mixed.
  • “To the white kids, you're Asian. To the Asian kids, you're white. So... you're in this, like, in between space.” – James Harris [25:23]

Asian-American Nostalgia, ‘Wigger’ Culture & Pop References

• Fashion, Flows, & Cultural Appropriation [20:00 - 22:23]:
  • The group riff on the cyclical nature of trends: the JFK Jr. "backwards Kangal" look being revived by Lower East Side hipsters, but how it’s historically rooted in Black/Nino Brown culture.
  • Wild riff on Mark Wahlberg’s past, the history of “wiggers,” and cancel culture in Boston.

Food, Cooking, and Parallels to Fashion

• Cooking as Style Development [31:01 - 34:44]:

  • James connects learning to cook at home during COVID to developing personal style: start by emulating, but end up improvising and “making what feels good.”
  • “You go from, oh, what is Jacob Elordi wearing? Let me get exactly what he's wearing... and then eventually … I'm gonna just do what I know makes me feel good.” – James Harris [34:37]

• New Chinese Cuisine & Chef Mindsets [34:44 - 36:27]:

  • Eddie’s experience training professional chefs to cook Chinese food, many reverting to beginner mindsets when out of their culinary comfort zone.
  • "Did you just forget how to cook?" – Eddie [35:26]

Bravo, Reality TV, and Pop Culture

• Bravo Deep Dive [37:02 - 41:33]:
  • Chris and James discuss the latest Real Housewives sagas, shifts in reality TV, and the strange longevity of certain cast members (and scandals).
  • “I think a lot of reality shows are good in the beginning. And then everyone hits the inflection point where they're so aware of being on camera and … fighting for camera time.” – James Harris [39:06]
  • OnlyFans, incest plotlines on Vanderpump, and the rise of meta-narratives in trash TV.

The Maxxing & Microtrend Parade: Crotega, Crow, & Status Flexes

• Luxury Bag & ‘Conspicuous Consumption’ Microtrends [42:50 - 48:16]:
  • Discussion about Bottega, Prada, Chrome Hearts (“Crow”), and the phenomenon of mixing ultra-luxury brands in gaudy, streamer-influenced ways.
  • “They're not doing high-low. They’re doing high-high. So, Chrome Hearts with The Row. … The whole thing with the Row is that it's quiet luxury. … But they're like, yo, what up? We got the roti.” – James Harris [44:48]
  • Crow (Chrome + Row), Protega (Prada + Bottega), and the endless trademarking of microtrends among U.S.–based streamers.
  • "He's just trying to make. He's like a housewife. He's trying to trademark [a catchphrase]." – James Harris [46:12]

Restaurant Shout-Outs & NY Dining

• Hidden Gems & New Faves [53:41 - 55:53]:
  • James names favorite new restaurants (Strange Delight, Bernie's, Kiko), chats about nostalgic fusion, and doubles down on the enduring power of local NYC food as a creative anchor.

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Memorable Quotes

• “That's where millennial culture began.” – James Harris [06:05]
• “Women have been doing this for a really long time.” – Chris on looksmaxxing [11:19]
• “To the white kids, you're Asian. To the Asian kids, you're white.” – James Harris [25:23]
• “Cooking is like creating your own personal style.” – James Harris [34:05]
• “They're not doing high-low. They’re doing high-high…got the Bottega intra fapello bag...It’s this whole streamer culture.” – James Harris [44:48]
• “All Asians are Chinese guys.” – James Harris [29:33]
• “Wap was like the original fob.” – James Harris [18:12]
• “I'm a little worried about…I don't know what Wajians look like when they get older. Wajians in their prime are, like, hot, beautiful.” – James Harris [28:19]
• “[Throwing Fits] is a four day a week job. We do a guest episode every week and then a mini episode that’s just me and Lawrence…It is a lot of work.” – James Harris [12:20]
• “I like the girls with the manicured toes. … actually, manicures for your hands and pedicures for your toes.” – James Harris, on Nelly lyrics [42:28]

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Wyden & Kennedy, Origins of NYC Millennial Scene: 03:59 – 06:15
• Unpaid Intern Grind & Early Years: 06:37 – 07:17
• Rise/Fall of Complex, Fashion Bros Backstory: 07:33 – 13:48
• Looksmaxxing & Peptides: 10:30 – 11:46
• Wasian Raising & Mixie Family Talk: 17:19 – 18:31, 24:22 – 26:47
• Cooking as Personal Style: 31:01 – 34:44
• Food & Restaurant Recommendations: 53:41 – 55:53
• Bravo/Reality TV Segment: 37:02 – 41:33
• Luxury Microtrend/Crow/Crotega Deep Dive: 42:50 – 48:16

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Tone and Vibe

The podcast delivers on its promise of being loose, irreverent, and deeply embedded in NYC’s creative and fashion landscape, with plenty of inside jokes, sharp banter, and a sense of gritty warmth. The hosts and guest seamlessly weave between nostalgia, critique, intimate details about changing industries, and outright comedy. All the while, they provide practical wisdom for aspiring creatives as well as biting commentary on everything from internet culture to parenting and personal style.

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For Listeners/Non-Listeners:

This episode offers an insightful look behind the curtain of NYC/LA creative hustle, with a rare view into how “making it” really feels and the evolving definitions of identity, style, and even masculinity. If you care about pop culture, new trends, Asian-American nuance, or just like smart, funny people making each other laugh: this episode is a must-hear.

Transcript

[Jacob Elordi]

This week on the pod, we have the emperor of Weijia, a native son of Peter Cooper's village, the doctor of taco ology biologically, because he's learning these hoes biology. He ate so many scrimps for Xmas, he got iodine poison in. I see him in the streets with a noob so you could see He's a strange delight. Used to put the deaf, dumb and blind in the Deaf, dumb and blind jam office. But CP Is his company now. When Rudyard Lawrence Schlossman Kipling said the white man's burden, he was talking about this man, the. The one, the only, the brocephorous Rex of contemporary men's fashion. James, eat it from the back to front and the feet up.

[James Harris]

Harris is in the house.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yo, it is so hard to be you, brother.

[Chris]

You're like a really good rapper. Oh, my God, that was really good.

[James Harris]

You should stick to dressing like rappers, maybe not rapping like rappers.

[Jacob Elordi]

You didn't like the T A C ology?

[James Harris]

Was that the fabulous flow? That's the guy.

[Jacob Elordi]

Po Pimp Hope him flow.

[Chris]

I like how you just like every flow. Like there was a lot of different in there.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bun Bun with the. Oh, no. Pimpy iodine poisoning Dip sweat. There was. There was a lot. But also mainly your flow. You know, I was. I was really just being James Harris today on the pod, you know, I have.

[James Harris]

I've kind of reeled in like the like, intro intros. There is a guest coming up that I am going to like, bust out the. The go back into my note, my notebook, my rhyme book. I'm going to slob on the knob. And the hope has always been like, you know, oh, shit. Like, there's a man. It's like, hey, yo, I should sign you. What, A ghostwrite for Maxo Cream?

[Jacob Elordi]

You could ghost, right? For Despot maybe, you know, maybe Despot will hire you to do some of his side side work. Like his prep work.

[James Harris]

Is he still rapping?

[Jacob Elordi]

I think Despot's always writing, wrapping up money. Despots writing a lot of the hits.

[James Harris]

Wrapping up bundles of cash, you know?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

The Groni money.

[Jacob Elordi]

I think so. The Peroni money boy is always writing, you know. But let's get down to brass tacks. Are Larry's toes more like Nobu Rock Shrimp or Jimmy Buffett Margaritaville Coconutty?

[James Harris]

He has. He has talked about his gross feet before. I've never seen him, though.

[Jacob Elordi]

Never.

[James Harris]

Yo, bro. So like, me and Lawrence, we go back. I don't at this point, 2010, 15 years.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

We both started on the bottom rung. And this is both like, our career and our friendship where it started. We were on the bottom rung. I was an unpaid intern in the closet. And he was like, entry level PR publicist. He didn't do anything. And, like, we were the loser. We're the loser. Like, literally, like, when I. When he left and I took his job, like, here's Lawrence's laptop. Everything you need is on here. Open the laptop. There's nothing on there. There's just like, screenshots of fucking, like, old white guys that he's putting on Tumblr. Whatever, whatever, you know, but not so JFK Jr. JFK, JFK Jr. Steve McQueen, Paul Newman. All the hits.

[Jacob Elordi]

All the.

[James Harris]

All the vanilla hits. So I didn't get invited because I was the unpaid intern. I was like, doing work on, like, odd jobs on the side to survive and then doing this. And I didn't get invited to the company trip down to, like, I don't know, Cobb or whatever. Lawrence went and it cemented his losership in their eyes because he. He showed up to the beach wearing salvage denim and double monk shoes.

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow.

[James Harris]

And didn't take them off. And like a. And like an oxford cloth button down. So. So I've never. I don't think anyone's ever seen his toes.

[Jacob Elordi]

I wear Tim's to the beach.

[James Harris]

Well, that's like on your Jay Z 2009 shit.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wear basketball shorts and Tim's to the beach because then your foot don't get sandy, but your Tim's do. Yeah, but this, I bring the beater. The beater Butters, you know, the pleaser Butters. Yeah, yeah, that's like Uggs.

[Chris]

Like, that's your version of an ugg. It's just a Tim, like, wearing it to the beach.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes, I remember. I remember meeting you guys in, like, a store in soho together. You, Larry and another Asian dude.

[James Harris]

Gn. Yeah, I first met.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, it was.

[James Harris]

Maybe you don't remember this, but I. I remember first meeting you because you were like a fucking big deal and still are. At a Widen and Kennedy sample sale

[Chris]

that had been organized.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, my God. Half the guests on here from this.

[Chris]

Yeah, Every person who comes on this podcast brings up the Widen Kennedy sample sale.

[James Harris]

It was. I was the unpaid intern. They're like, yo, do you want to work a weekend selling clay sneakers? Shout out Sung Choi, the founder of PNB Nation.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes, I remember these clay sneakers. They're like, soles didn't bend.

[James Harris]

They were like, double stiff as hell. They were like, basically. Yeah. Like whack. Like, I mean, they were. They were cool.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

At the time. They're very. Damn.

[Jacob Elordi]

I met you at that thing too.

[James Harris]

And I was. My stall was next to Andrew from Andrew Chen from 316. And then you and Evan were frying up Bauhaus's in the back. I didn't have any money, so I could only get the broccoli ones for free because no one wanted the broccoli. Everyone wanted the pork. No one wanted the broccoli. Remember that?

[Jacob Elordi]

Fucking broccoli.

[James Harris]

And then I'm just. So Then I'm just trying to sell clay sneakers just farting my ass off from this broccoli.

[Jacob Elordi]

No, that broccoli bow was instant poo poo. Like, instant poop. If you need to have senna poop, like, just give him the broccoli bow.

[James Harris]

Round diamonds look like poo poo.

[Chris]

He loves broccoli.

[Jacob Elordi]

It just punches everything through your body.

[Chris]

But I just want to know, like, what was happening there. And, like, I feel like something, like, powerful happened at the Wyden Kennedy sample sale. Now every single person is like, dude,

[James Harris]

it's where Gian deleon met Noah. No, Gian deleon met somebody there to get hired a complex.

[Jacob Elordi]

It was Jake Wolf. He met Noah there.

[Chris]

No, but Jake Wolf also had a story.

[James Harris]

Jake Wolf was selling Burkman Brothers.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes.

[James Harris]

Shorts. Leather. Leather. The leather jewelry.

[Chris]

The leather bracelet also was like, I had an interview, like, right before that, and that's, like, the job that I got. Yeah, it's like something crazy there.

[Jacob Elordi]

You were there. Nick Catch Dubs was there.

[James Harris]

Crazy.

[Jacob Elordi]

The Mallon and Geeks guys were, like, starting their company.

[James Harris]

What?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, Warby Parker was, like, starting. They had, like, a table. Like a Warby Parker, like, flea market table. We really did it wrong. They're, like, rich. That's where, like, from that sample sale,

[James Harris]

that's where, like, millennial fucking culture began.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Big bang.

[Chris]

That was the big bang.

[James Harris]

So sorry. We invented D2C at the Wiley Kennedy sample sale.

[Jacob Elordi]

And down from there, like, I feel

[James Harris]

like, to add agency, like.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like they don't do anything cool anymore.

[James Harris]

They're just, like, in house for Nike, you know, Basically.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. They used to have that, like, attack division with Phil. They had Kenzo. They had, like, Larry Pipitone. Like, the. Was kind of cool for a second. Wow.

[James Harris]

You tell me. Things don't last. That's crazy.

[Jacob Elordi]

Damn. So then you and Larry from, like.

[James Harris]

So, like, we were literally. That was. That Was our, like, how to make it America moment where, you know, going to the taco truck, getting a torta on 14th and 8th, splitting it, eating half for lunch, half for dinner. The subway. The subway. Five dollar footlong saved my life. Jared Fogel saved my life. As a young twink, Jerry Fogel saved my life. Half for lunch, half for dinner. And then you just go to events for, like, free drinks, free food, try to meet girls, try to, you know. Oh, shoot. I saw fucking Dow and Maxwell were in the building. Like, yo, I had a broccoli bow from Eddie and I've been pooping all day, all night. Yeah, so that's kind of how it started.

[Jacob Elordi]

But then y' all brought podcasts back. I feel like, honestly, I stopped listening to Pods until y' all came out one. And then she put me on a Tim Dillon. I was like, this motherfucker is funny. This. I don't know what his politics are, but it's funny. Like, all his commentary is hysterical. Yeah, but you guys got me back into Pods.

[James Harris]

Well, he had a YouTube show called Fashion Bros, which, uh, most got pulled off YouTube for complexes. Like, Amazon cloud service subscription expired. So, like, they lost all their shit. I still randomly got them. The director, Jonathan Lees, gave me a. Gave me a hard drive. And every so often he's like, hey, man, can I get that hard drive back? Like, my, like, very important novel I'm working on is on there. And I'm like, yeah, dude, sure, Jonathan. I'm sorry.

[Jacob Elordi]

How's the novel? Is the novel Fire?

[James Harris]

Yeah, it's pretty ass. No, I'm kidding. He's like. No, he's like. He's like published books now. He's like a well respected, like, horror author, I think.

[Chris]

Oh, cool.

[James Harris]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jacob Elordi]

Genre writer. Genre writer.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Okay.

[James Harris]

Lawrence left to go to Grails, or we. We ended Fashion Bros because we weren't getting paid any more money to do it. Very media. And they gave us a clothing budget one time for like 500 bucks at Barney's. And the card got. The car they gave us got declined.

[Chris]

Damn.

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow. Complex.

[James Harris]

Well, like, the swagless video guy has probably never set foot in, like, Barney's before. No.

[Jacob Elordi]

Complex lost everything for. They lost Desus and Miro. They lost you guys. I mean, they. That whole crew that was there originally was Fire.

[James Harris]

But yeah, so we're just like. And then I. I used to be able to kind of talk via Complex, like writing or editing, but then my job was too senior at that times. And then Lawrence was at Grailed, so We were just, like, looking for an outlet, I guess, to talk. He's like, yo, do you know what a podcast is? I'm like, no. Sounds whack as hell.

[Jacob Elordi]

That's right. I remember because I sold all of my clothes from Wong's World through Lawrence at Grailed. He was in that office and was doing, like, auctions of people's old clothes.

[James Harris]

Yeah. And it all went to Ian Connor. You're in the Ian Connor files, bro.

[Jacob Elordi]

Ian Connor has my living single baseball jersey.

[James Harris]

What was your streetwear brand? Marilyn Monroe.

[Jacob Elordi]

I had Marilyn Monroe and I had Hoodman. Dwarf hood, man.

[James Harris]

Yeah. I the. I had a T shirt or pants from Marilyn Monroe.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, yeah. The tiger stripes or the mountain. I was taking, like, Liberty fabric from London.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Making them into, like, street wear silhouette pants.

[James Harris]

It was like some big, like, fatigues. Yeah, I think.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Harris]

It's good.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Liberty bringing everything back. Else back.

[Chris]

Bring it back.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Bring back selling.

[Jacob Elordi]

That fat Jew was the model. It was like, wow, wild. It was the wildest line.

[James Harris]

Is he on Ozempic? Is he not just like, chunky Jew? I don't know.

[Jacob Elordi]

No.

[James Harris]

I've never been friends with him.

[Jacob Elordi]

No. He sends me photos of his dick. It still looks fat.

[James Harris]

All right.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

There's a zempic shrink. Your girth, I heard.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Really?

[Jacob Elordi]

Photos of his dick.

[Chris]

I have heard it's like, weird for your dick, though.

[James Harris]

It up your libido.

[Chris]

Yeah. Like, it, like, messes with your. Yeah.

[James Harris]

Like, well, everything, apparently everything in life is just kind of like.

[Chris]

Yeah. Like, people don't want to drink anymore. They don't want to, like, do drugs. Like, the addicts are doing it to, like, recover.

[James Harris]

It's really good for addiction. But, like, in terms of, like, finding joy in the world, I think. Yeah, it just, like, dampens you down to your, like, I don't want to eat. I don't want to.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

But I.

[Chris]

But I feel like if you get like the new, like, Chinese peptides.

[James Harris]

Ooh.

[Chris]

Like the reticrutide. Like, that's better. The GLP3, like, goes up because for, like, the pores now and then the good shit is like, it doesn't like, fudge up your. Anything fun. Like your libido, your.

[James Harris]

You still want to drink sequel.

[Jacob Elordi]

Are you looks maxing? No, no.

[Chris]

I want to so bad. I want to.

[James Harris]

What are you going to do?

[Chris]

I. I don't know, but I get like. I see, like I'm, like, aware now what it is, and it, like, gives me anxiety. Like, I feel like I Need to like do something. I'm like, I need to like, I need to be a part of it.

[James Harris]

As a, as a 22 year old

[Jacob Elordi]

on Tik Tok, I'm mogging you, yo.

[Chris]

Makes me sweat.

[James Harris]

Tik tok thinks I'm 22 and they gave me a lot of looks maxing content of like how to like mule from you and like your maxilla. Yeah. And like shoe chew gum for your mandibles and, and how to drain and debloat.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, wow.

[Chris]

But what's funny about it is this is just that like women have been doing for a really long time.

[Jacob Elordi]

Like we've been like, just like South Korean men.

[Chris]

Also, like, it's like we've been like literally like just like rubbing our faces with stones to debloat. Like, I've been doing that for 10 years. I don't know why somebody told me to do it and I was like, okay.

[Jacob Elordi]

Like as a, as an ancient un. Outside observer of this looks maxing thing, it just looks to me like what the like Korean labels do when they like recruit dudes to be in boy bands.

[Chris]

Totally.

[James Harris]

You know, I'm trying to do the, the Chinese qigong.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh.

[James Harris]

Popping. Hopping around. And you know, the dudes in the

[Jacob Elordi]

park are always, they always doing this.

[James Harris]

Yeah, it's like.

[Chris]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[James Harris]

It's like a, a bit of a fent fold, but

[Jacob Elordi]

pretty much far from puking.

[James Harris]

Yeah. They're tweaking and then they're about to like. Yeah, they're just like folded over.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Anyway, so what, what else do you

[Jacob Elordi]

do besides the POD these days, bro? I know you were writing scripts though. They were fire scripts. I gotta say. I was reading them. They're fire.

[James Harris]

That's it.

[Jacob Elordi]

That's it.

[James Harris]

No, that's not true. The pod takes up a lot of time. I think people. What People don't realize it is our full time gig. Me and Lawrence. It is a four day a week job.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, wow.

[James Harris]

But we do. It's hot in here, right?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

I can't wear the stein.

[Jacob Elordi]

Tell us. She looks maxing right now.

[James Harris]

I know.

[Jacob Elordi]

Damn.

[James Harris]

Look at that clavicle.

[Chris]

Going to start my clavicles. I'm going to start.

[James Harris]

Everyone to this camera right now.

[Jacob Elordi]

Chris.

[Chris]

Recessed maxilla. Oh, I really, I like deepen looks.

[James Harris]

Start hopping. Start hopping to camera.

[Jacob Elordi]

Max. I like what she's doing right now. This is a better episode. All right. Four days a week, you slob, Larry.

[James Harris]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's like, it's, it is a lot of work. We do a guest episode every week and then a mini episode that's just me and Lawrence. Like 30 minutes, just us. And then an hour and a half, that's just us. I mean, fudgeing booking guesses of nightmare. As I'm sure you're aware. Like, we fell into a bit of a. Like, a clout trap. I feel like last year, where we were just booking, like, celebs or like, oh, they have 4 million followers. Let's get them. And it's like, yeah, you did a

[Jacob Elordi]

conversation kind of a lot of celebs. I like the one on ones the best.

[Chris]

Same that.

[Jacob Elordi]

That's what it is with pods. Like your pod and then how long gone. I just prefer the one on ones a lot.

[James Harris]

So we're talking, like, topical shit. I mean, it's. If you care about the guest, then maybe it's. You want to tune in. But the one on ones, the boys only, that's behind the paywall.

[Jacob Elordi]

But.

[James Harris]

So it's like maintaining the podcast constantly, making sure we're good, entertaining other, like, brand partnership possibilities. We were making clothes for a while, but that was, like, way too much work for the amount or way too much work for, like, what? For the end result. And we're like, you know what? There's enough clothes in the world. Let's leave the clothes to the clothes makers. So that's on hiatus for now. We'll see. We might bring it back. And I've been telling you what I

[Jacob Elordi]

think we all need to be doing is a downtown comedy sketch show. Like, you guys stand up. No, no, no. Sketch show. Like Chappelle.

[Chris]

Like, curbed.

[Jacob Elordi]

But, like, okay.

[James Harris]

Oh, oh, Internet dudes.

[Jacob Elordi]

Like them jeans. Chris Black, you guys. And is he doing that?

[James Harris]

I don't know.

[Jacob Elordi]

I mean, he's doing.

[Chris]

I mean, he should be in it for sure.

[Jacob Elordi]

He should be in it. He should be in it for sure.

[James Harris]

I mean, that fashion was kind of like a sketchy sketch, like, behind the desk show. Yeah, just make fun of fashion.

[Jacob Elordi]

Even your, like, Heineken commercial, if it was heightened for. Or no, it was the umbro commercial. Yeah, if it was heightened for comedy. As opposed to U, bro. Like, dudes singing Oasis in a bar is kind of funny. You know? Like, I. I always, like, after that day, I was like, yo, we should do a downtown sketch comedy show.

[James Harris]

All right, let's do it. Fun.

[Jacob Elordi]

It'll be fun.

[James Harris]

Let's do it. You're the most. You're the hardest working man I know. And, bro, he really is the hardest working woman I know.

[Chris]

I'm not. He really is the hardest working person in the world.

[James Harris]

Give a. Well, I don't give.

[Chris]

Beep.

[James Harris]

Coming out.

[Jacob Elordi]

No, no, no. We say whatever.

[James Harris]

Coming out.

[Jacob Elordi]

You say crazy. Yeah, I got a book coming out. Yeah, we got the restaurant coming out next week.

[James Harris]

Yeah, I don't know if I have the next week.

[Jacob Elordi]

Next week. Next week.

[Chris]

Literally next week.

[James Harris]

Where is it?

[Jacob Elordi]

You're invited.

[James Harris]

I know. I'm going on my brother's birthday and a new.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, word.

[James Harris]

I got a random number that texted me while I was on a cruise ship in the middle of the Bahamas. Yeah, Like, I'm not.

[Chris]

I got that same text.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

They were like, hey, do you want to come to Bauhaus opening? And I was like. They were like, eddie formally invites you?

[James Harris]

And I was like, no, thank you.

[Chris]

I was like, okay.

[Jacob Elordi]

I was like, I gotta open this restaurant in three weeks.

[James Harris]

Because the.

[Jacob Elordi]

The guy that owns the space was like, the amount of money I have to pay this rent runs out in three weeks. So you can have it, but you got to open this thing in three weeks and start making money and pay the rent.

[James Harris]

Is that the guy I ran into with you yesterday? That guy was in a hurry. Oh, we're trying to chat. And he kept like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we had some.

[Jacob Elordi]

That's the owner of the flower Shop.

[James Harris]

Oh, Mr. Flower.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, he's Mr. Flower Shop.

[James Harris]

And then this is my first date spot for a while.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, word. Yes, word.

[Chris]

How.

[Jacob Elordi]

How did it go? Was it. Were you successful?

[James Harris]

Will you start upstairs? Actually, no. Sorry. Second date.

[Jacob Elordi]

Second. This was a second date. So what's the first? Let's.

[James Harris]

I don't know. I don't remember. But it would be like. It used to be the Hangar Bar, which. Do you remember that spot on third Street? No, no, I stopped going. Like, it was a very, very messy spot. There's like.

[Jacob Elordi]

But they tell us, second date.

[James Harris]

Second date, you do dinner to get dinner up here. And then you're like, if it's going well, you're like, hey, do you want to go downstairs and get a drink?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, I'm.

[James Harris]

Keep going. So it's kind of like going to a second location, but not.

[Chris]

So.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, it's good.

[James Harris]

It's great.

[Jacob Elordi]

It is. It's. And then. Thank you, brother. Our first New York date night was here too. Yeah.

[Chris]

We ended up here.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, right. Right over there. And then she was pregnant like, three weeks later.

[Chris]

Actually, I was.

[Jacob Elordi]

Actually, she might have been pregnant that night. Yeah, I.

[Chris]

No, I don't think I was.

[Jacob Elordi]

No, I think that Was actually. We went to. Yeah, Indochine, actually.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah, yeah, it was, it was.

[James Harris]

And then Machine was in debt.

[Chris]

It was.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

[Chris]

And then I was just procreating for Wasia. Yeah. Just putting Waa.

[James Harris]

Wait, so you have an awasian? Your baby's waian?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, we have a waian baby up. The best thing. I say it all the time now, because I remember I told you he's Italian, Greek and Chinese. And you go, so he Wapanese, Dad. I say it all the time now. People ask me what he is, I say, he's waping. And they're like, what? I'm like, oh, I gotta.

[Chris]

Like, we say it too casually.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, yo, my partner's Roman Grandinetti.

[Chris]

I am Italian, so it's fine.

[James Harris]

Yeah, Step back, step back. Wap is a slur that means without papers. And it's true. It's true, bro. It's true. See, this guy knows. Yeah, he's a slur expert. Your producer's a racist.

[Chris]

You know, my family does not have paper, so he is Wapanese.

[Jacob Elordi]

Our son is Wapanese. Knees man.

[James Harris]

Without papers and ease.

[Jacob Elordi]

Damn. So Wap was like the original fob.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow.

[James Harris]

Wow.

[Chris]

Asking him what W means, I was like, what is that Italian for?

[Jacob Elordi]

You know what we're going to do now? I'm going to set him up a children's bank account and call it Based Wop. That's what I'm going to do.

[Chris]

He does have a children's bank account, though.

[Jacob Elordi]

Cuz my bank account is based fob. So he will be Based Wop. You get a children's bank account called Based Wop.

[Chris]

Can I be princess of Waa?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes.

[Chris]

Thank you.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes. Yes. I like that. Yes. We're going to put you on salary starting in May. Princess of Waa.

[James Harris]

What's the health benefits of this podcast?

[Jacob Elordi]

Health benefits.

[Chris]

Just go to urgent care. Go to.

[Jacob Elordi]

I can't fix it with my mouth. I don't know what to do.

[Chris]

The health benefits are we go to urgent care and then I call and say, we have no money.

[Jacob Elordi]

Can I suck it out?

[James Harris]

I need a Z pack. I'm on, like, Obamacare. Copper. Like flu.

[Jacob Elordi]

I'll suck it out of your foot.

[Chris]

Yeah, I don't know.

[James Harris]

I'll put onions. I'll put onions on your feet.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do.

[Chris]

We do onions on the feet often.

[James Harris]

Does it work?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow. Every time she gets sick. I just. Can I give you a massage?

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah. Literally, that's what he'll be like, can

[James Harris]

I give you a massive. There's a theory is told to me by a guy in college who now is like a park ranger, that if you. If you're sick, if you. You could. It's like smoke. You smoke it out. It's like a critter in a tree. If you smoke and drink and create your. A hostile environment in your body, the virus will be like, yo, I don't want to fucking be here and just bounce. So there's that.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow. That's, like, what everyone's doing in the Crown. I just started watching the Crown, so we started watching jfk. All right. We started watching jfk. And I. I tried to watch the Crown for, like, 10 years, and I never got through the first episode. And then now we watch jfk. I was like, oh, I need more, like, royal couples drama. So I started watching the Crown and I'm like, they're smoking everything out in that show.

[Chris]

They really are.

[Jacob Elordi]

People are ripping cigs in that show and dying, like, coughing up blood.

[Chris]

Ripping a cig after just being like, yeah, that's.

[James Harris]

Have you seen. Because you're in the heart of it here on Eldridge. Have you seen, like, Lower east side dudes wearing the backwards Kangal? Like, JK Jr?

[Chris]

I saw a guy the other day,

[Jacob Elordi]

so that was a good reel from you guys. That was funny, bro.

[James Harris]

It was like. It's literally. Yo, new guy just dropped.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

You're going to see guys literally mimicking. You know, the moonboards are mining this for content, and they're going to be guys that just dress dressed by content creator. Guys are just going to show up wearing the JFK fits.

[Jacob Elordi]

But the funny thing is, my dad

[James Harris]

does it, but, like, he's an old Chinese guy.

[Jacob Elordi]

He's an old Chinese guy. He'd been doing it. And I also feel like Nino Brown, New Jack City was, like, really original on that. I don't know who was first, JFK Jr. Or Nino Brown, but I think

[James Harris]

Nino Brown was in the 80s.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

JP Jr. This shit's in the 90s.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. I think Nino Brown is the original backwards.

[James Harris]

JFK Jr. Was the OG wigger.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. Yeah, he was. He is the OG wigger.

[James Harris]

Marky Mark is in there.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, he is throwing.

[James Harris]

Yeah, another one.

[Jacob Elordi]

No, that. That was an observation. Watching.

[James Harris]

I was like, yo, you know what I learned?

[Jacob Elordi]

K is like a precursor to wiggers.

[James Harris]

You know what I learned?

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow.

[James Harris]

Wiggers with the R. You know what I learned is the Vietnamese guy that Marky Mark attacked was already blind. What

[Chris]

I don't know.

[James Harris]

Shouldn't we give some Mark. Shouldn't we give some grace to Mark Wahlberg?

[Chris]

Were they saying that he blinded him?

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And that.

[Jacob Elordi]

But he was already blind.

[James Harris]

He was already beat the out. Does that make it worse, though?

[Jacob Elordi]

He also stone black people. I think Marky Bar also stone stoned black people.

[James Harris]

Like, that's like a witch trial. Like, through rocks at black people.

[Chris]

I mean, he is.

[Jacob Elordi]

I looked it on his Wikipedia.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

That's just a. That's just a tradition in Boston.

[Chris]

I was gonna say that's just what they teach you to do.

[Jacob Elordi]

He was just saying, what's up?

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

I went on his Wikipedia one day. I was like, oh, I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that.

[Chris]

Why did you put his Wikipedia?

[Jacob Elordi]

I think I was researching.

[Chris]

Were you, like, looking at outfits?

[Jacob Elordi]

I think I honestly was researching the history of wiggers.

[Chris]

Oh, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Harris]

He got a rap sheet, bro. 1986.

[Jacob Elordi]

1988. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris]

How is he not, like, canceled? Like, nobody cares. They're just like, that's fine.

[James Harris]

Because four years ago, it was a different time.

[Chris]

It was Boston.

[Jacob Elordi]

It was New Kids on the Block.

[James Harris]

It was a different time. It's a different area. Yeah. Austin.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. I mean, yeah. They were like the most fire boy band of the time.

[James Harris]

Really?

[Jacob Elordi]

I mean, I didn't like them, but they were big. It was like New Kids on the Block and crisscross.

[James Harris]

Okay.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. You know, it was like that era

[James Harris]

kind of dressed like a New Kid on the block right now a little bit.

[Chris]

If you had the Red Sox jersey, if it was Red Sox being there,

[Jacob Elordi]

I could be the diversity character.

[James Harris]

You put on a Red Sox jersey and just started beating up blind new

[Jacob Elordi]

kids on the Brock.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Happy New Year.

[Chris]

Should we have, like, four more kids and make a boy band for setup?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah. New kids on the Brock.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Oasians from Boston.

[Jacob Elordi]

I love it. I love when we get racial. It's the best, man. It's the best. Wapani, you. You have coined the term Wapanese.

[Chris]

We say it all the time. It's so bad, we start calling other people Wapanese now.

[Jacob Elordi]

Like, when I filled out forms for him, they asked nationality and, like, other.

[Chris]

He goes to, like, Chinese school. And, like, there's so many Asians. It's just all Asians. But I'm the only white mom. It's white dad, Asian mom. I'm only white.

[James Harris]

On the west coast, it's more common for the Asian dad, white mom. But on the east coast, it's usually white dad, Asian mom.

[Jacob Elordi]

I'm the only Asian dude who had the kung fu to take down, like, a fly. White short.

[James Harris]

Crazy.

[Chris]

Yeah. So we're just in there, like, serving Wapanese crazy at, like, school events.

[James Harris]

That's crazy if there's mad Asians. I feel like I was all alone growing up.

[Chris]

Not anymore.

[James Harris]

Sorry. Wages.

[Jacob Elordi]

In Peter Cooper village, there wasn't many.

[James Harris]

It was all Irish kids, sons of cops.

[Chris]

And I feel like. No, I feel like Waja is like the new Rome. Like, it is gonna be an empire. Like, there's so many waging kids.

[James Harris]

We are.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. We're so up in 30 years, people will be wager maxing for sure.

[Chris]

Well, there's so much discourse about, like, Eileen Goo and the other girl, because

[James Harris]

they're both like, Alyssa Lou.

[Chris]

Alyssa Lou because they're both half Asian. And everyone's like, that's the best combo. Because you get, like, the passion from the white people, and then you get the discipline from the Asian people. And you mix it together and you get, like, brilliant.

[Jacob Elordi]

So crazy. I didn't even know Alyssa Liu was Asian. She, to me, just looks like states.

[James Harris]

Oh, true.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. Like, which is fire. Like, crayon on ice is fire.

[James Harris]

Well, the discipline of Asians and the

[Chris]

complaining of white people, it matters. It's like, it matters if the mom or the dad is.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

What are the characteristics of Asians, like, as. As a full grown, you know, Guian who's gone through puberty? Because I'm only seeing the. The, like, early stage now. What do you think are some of the identifying features of Asians?

[James Harris]

I do think there is some credibility to, like, not belonging and kind of being. Learning how to, like, code switch and, you know, like, I went to Styrison, which is majority full Asian.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, damn. That's very Asian.

[James Harris]

I went to, like, a very white middle school and then a very Asian high school. My girlfriend in high school was, like, part of the Asian gang. Like, Got Rice kids.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. Asian baby girl.

[James Harris]

Asian pride.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[James Harris]

Yeah. And remember that she was on Zanga Got Rice.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, like, that guy, he's the graphic designer that did the Got rice.

[James Harris]

Really?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's online.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

So whatever. I'm not like, fucking pleading for sympathy or anything, but it's like, yeah, you're. To the white kids, you're Asian. To the Asian kids, you're white. So this. It is kind of. You're in this, like, in between space where you're like, all right, you got to learn how to navigate different worlds and. And then as a slight outsider, slight belonger, you're able to, I think, get. Become good at, like, observing the patterns and behaviors of, like, what makes a tribe or a crew. Whether it's white people, it's like, all right. These guys love to complain. Or Asian people. It's like, all right. These guys love north faces.

[Jacob Elordi]

Come out of the womb with the steep tech. That was the only time there were

[James Harris]

fights at Cypruson was like, kids stealing north faces.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. From Paragon.

[James Harris]

Yep. Yeah. So. Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Crew for a second.

[James Harris]

So I don't know. It's like. And then is strange. Ish. I took like, a race relations class at school, and it is like, yeah. Like, you. You know, there's passing.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, no, we don't want academic, though. Like, stealing north faces. That's like a good.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Characteristic Smart still. You're still smart still. Went to Stuyvesant.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

But I think also when.

[Jacob Elordi]

Now do you turn when you drink alcohol?

[James Harris]

I only get the Asian glow on New Year's.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, wow.

[James Harris]

Yeah. It's crazy. When I'm like. Or like, I'm hosting a party, I'm very. I get, like, nervous. I think the nerve enzymes or whatever

[Jacob Elordi]

mix with the booze and term Asian neurosis.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Because the white sides are a little less neuroses.

[Chris]

I think it depends.

[Jacob Elordi]

Really.

[Chris]

It depends what white. White people you mix with.

[Jacob Elordi]

I mean, like, you know, some tribes more neurotic.

[Chris]

Yeah. Like, it depends on the white.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Not all whites.

[Jacob Elordi]

Are they white or aren't you Irish?

[James Harris]

Yeah, my dad's grandparents came from Ireland.

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's why you can drink.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[Chris]

That's like in your. We are like, supposed to, like, you have, like.

[James Harris]

And the Japanese side, too.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Like, Asians drink.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Osaka people.

[Jacob Elordi]

Osaka goes crazy.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

I drink gin. My face just turns bright red, like, purple. Yeah.

[James Harris]

There's a. There's a pill you take sometimes. I get that on TikTok. It's like, yo just turn red when you drink because you're Asian. Like, take this pill.

[Chris]

They have it for gluten, too. Like enzyme blockers. So you can eat gluten if you're gluten free.

[James Harris]

You're not glow maxing.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Yeah. I don't know. So. And I think, like, now I do. It does feel like wagins are now. Like. There are a lot more. Whether it's like. Call it representation, I guess the guy heated rivalry. You just see it on social media, like mad wans on tik. Tok just like, yo wa your life. That's it.

[Jacob Elordi]

No, I definitely, when I watch Heated Rivalry, thought about you and Larry.

[Chris]

Nice. That's so crazy. I thought about Senna. I was. No, because I, I. Before I watched it, everyone was like, this, like, this guy's hot. And I was like, oh, like, kind of looks like Senna.

[James Harris]

I saw him in real life. He is hot. Very stocky, though.

[Chris]

I think wians are hot. I'm like, so here for wians.

[James Harris]

Yeah. I'm a little worried about. I don't know what wians look like when they get older. Like, wians in their prime are, like, hot, beautiful.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

I think they're going to age well.

[James Harris]

I know if you start, like, if you start, like, leaning white, you start leaning more Asian. You get more like, you know, well,

[Jacob Elordi]

Keanu Reeves, like, og Wa, like, doesn't he looks good, bro?

[James Harris]

Yeah, but he's like, bro, he's in touch with Mother Gaia.

[Chris]

Yeah, he's doing some other. Yeah, yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

He does, like, the art of Zen and motorcycle repair.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

You know, I have a rapid fire for you.

[James Harris]

All right, let's do it.

[Jacob Elordi]

All right, who's more Chinese, David Carradine or Jack Black? Don't forget, Jack Black played.

[James Harris]

Did David Carradine die from Auto Erotic Association?

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, I. I think he might have.

[James Harris]

Okay, then Jack Black.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay, Jack Black or Havana Rose Liu?

[James Harris]

Who?

[Jacob Elordi]

Havana Rose Liu. The.

[James Harris]

I don't know that.

[Jacob Elordi]

The Asian woman from Bottoms. Okay, we're gonna go. Keep going. Okay. Jack Black or Chuck Norris.

[James Harris]

Oh, because of Kung Fu Panda. I guess Jack Black.

[Jacob Elordi]

Jack Black was po, bro. Yeah, Jack Black or Vanessa Hudgens.

[James Harris]

Isn't she half Asian? Yeah, Jack Black.

[Jacob Elordi]

Jack Black or Keanu Reeves?

[James Harris]

He's more Chinese.

[Jacob Elordi]

Keanu Reeves is half.

[James Harris]

No, but that's the question. He's more Chinese.

[Jacob Elordi]

I thought he was more Chinese.

[James Harris]

Who's more Chinese? Jack Black.

[Jacob Elordi]

I mean, all Asians are Chinese guys.

[James Harris]

Jack Black now looks like an old Chinese guy. He's like, you know, has a crazy beard, just like, acting crazy at the bus stop.

[Jacob Elordi]

The story that Chinese people used to tell their kids about Japanese people was that they're just founder effect Chinese people. Where the emperor sent his smartest advisors to go find the fountain of youth, but not to come back unless they found it or they'd be killed. So they went looking for it, ended up in Japan, and just stayed instead of getting killed. And then I was like, bro, that's crazy. I feel like my dad just, like, made that up to be Like, Chinese people are better. And I went on Wikipedia and the story is there.

[Chris]

That's great.

[Jacob Elordi]

Along with Mark Wahlberg's rap sheet.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay.

[James Harris]

You never killed a Japanese guy.

[Jacob Elordi]

Jack Black or Kamora Lee Simmons?

[James Harris]

Kamora Lee Simmons.

[Jacob Elordi]

There you go. Kamora Lee Simmons or Eileen Goo.

[James Harris]

Kamaru Lee Simmons.

[Jacob Elordi]

Kamor Lee Simmons or Alyssa Louis?

[James Harris]

Kamara Lee Simmons.

[Jacob Elordi]

Kimora Lee Simmons or Natasha?

[James Harris]

Natasha, period.

[Jacob Elordi]

Natasha. Or the snake from Zootopia 2? You know, that was Asian coded.

[James Harris]

I didn't see it. I always thought Zootopia one.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay. Natasha or Migos in the Chinatown video?

[James Harris]

Migos.

[Jacob Elordi]

Migos in the Chinatown video. Or the sweet and sour sauce at McDonald's.

[James Harris]

Migos.

[Jacob Elordi]

Very nice. Very nice. I was.

[James Harris]

It always ends with Migos.

[Jacob Elordi]

I was gonna go with the sweet and sour sauce.

[James Harris]

I.

[Jacob Elordi]

That is pretty Asian to me.

[James Harris]

It's too sweet. Not too sweet. Not too sweet.

[Jacob Elordi]

It's not. Yeah, that's true. That's true. You were saying something. I was reading your food diary on New York magazine.

[Chris]

My God, I have so many thoughts.

[James Harris]

Such, like. It's such a pretentious asshole.

[Jacob Elordi]

No, no. You just seem like you care about shit. I seem like you care, and you care about your parents. I thought that was very cool, bro.

[Chris]

And also, like, you spiraling about the food safety and chat GPT. I do that. I do that every day. Every time I'm making food for. I literally only have chatgpt for that reason. I sent a picture of a cucumber. I said, is this cucumber good?

[James Harris]

I did.

[Chris]

He said, yeah, it's good.

[Jacob Elordi]

He.

[James Harris]

Mine's.

[Chris]

Mine's a boy.

[James Harris]

Yeah, he. They.

[Chris]

I asked him.

[Jacob Elordi]

Cucumber got pronouns. Yo.

[Chris]

No, no, no.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, your chat. Your chat.

[Chris]

We're deep. We're deep. He was like, though the cucumber is good, you can cook it like, I.

[James Harris]

Clanker is non binary.

[Chris]

Okay, cool. No, mine, like. I was like, what's up? What's your name? And that, like, gave me a name and a whole thing.

[James Harris]

What is it?

[Chris]

I was like, we settled on David.

[James Harris]

Is your guy Chinese?

[Chris]

I don't know. I didn't ask. Sometimes I'll, like, say something, though, about, like, race or something, because I'll do like, this is so fucked up. I'll be doing, like, those, like, your kid.

[James Harris]

Yo, what is he.

[Chris]

No, no, I'll be doing those, like, weird, like, you know, those, like, chatgpt photos that I was, like, sending in our group chat as a joke? I'll be like, oh, make me look more Asian. We were doing, like, Funny. And it was like, can't do that.

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow.

[Chris]

It was like, won't be doing that. Like against my rules. I can't make you more Asian. Lookings up tight.

[James Harris]

Yeah. What a.

[Chris]

And I was like, it was like for a meme that I was making for my group chat, I did a.

[James Harris]

I, I, My collar was up when I was at the premier of industry. It was like it ruined my night. I literally went home early from the party cuz my collar was up.

[Chris]

I feel that.

[James Harris]

And the, you know, the photos, the getty photos came through and I wanted to post it and flex and be cool, but my collar was up. So I ran it through chat GPT and it did make me, I didn't ask for it to, but it did make me more Asian.

[Chris]

Yeah, it does slightly sometimes. Like in this process, there was like one night we were just like firing off all these ridiculous memes and it was making me look Asian as fuck. And so I asked for it and he was, I can't do no, babe, no.

[James Harris]

Make me black.

[Chris]

Yeah, scary.

[Jacob Elordi]

Can't do that.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah. So there is morals and ethics.

[Jacob Elordi]

I didn't know that. But the funniest, the funniest part of your article was you were cooking and then you decided to like shake the shrimp stock but didn't have a lid.

[James Harris]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

The like container. I was like, what are you doing?

[James Harris]

No, it's like all the settled to the bottom and then I just like, I just wanted to like shake it in the Tupperware like a white girl with her salad eating at her desk once, you know, shake the shrimp stock. Shake the shrimpy.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

And, and then, yeah, it wasn't closed on tight and just shrimp stock everywhere. Whole crib stanking like Pimpsy's belly when he got iodine poisoning. Luckily. Chat. Oh, I went to chat gp. I was like, how do I fix this? Like white vinegar, white vinegar everywhere. So I'm pouring white vinegar everywhere now. My smells like a British pub. But then luckily, like all the food I was cooking like overpowered the vinegar and then I just burned incense for like three days straight.

[Jacob Elordi]

No, the was good though. And you had a really dope insight where you were like, cooking is like creating your own personal style. Yeah, I thought that was interesting.

[James Harris]

Thank you. I mean I'm relatively new to this. Maybe I'm true to this. Where I only really got into cooking over Covid.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh.

[James Harris]

And at first you are like, what's the recipe like? Oh, one tablespoon, one little half cup, like, and then you're just like, all right, boom. You're just, like, tossing in.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

You're. You're go. You're making up as you go along. Maybe it doesn't look good, but it tastes good. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it looks good, but it tastes bad.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Depends what your values are, but yeah. So it's like you go from, oh, what is Jacob Elordi wearing? Let me get exactly when he's wearing, according to this guy.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes.

[James Harris]

And then eventually, you hopefully can, like, you know what? I'm gonna just do it. What I know makes me feel good.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Tastes good for me.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. Going through. Right now, I'm training, like, 10 new cooks at Bauhaus, and these people are all very accomplished.

[James Harris]

Are they showing up in loafers, white socks, Roji.

[Jacob Elordi]

A lot of mules, a lot of burgers, a lot of mules. You know, some ancient streetwear dudes. You know, in Jordan 4, right. There's a lot of. It's either Jordans or Birkenstocks or, like, mules.

[James Harris]

I love the OG Streetwear guys now. They're still sticking with it. I love it.

[Jacob Elordi]

I love it. Yeah, they're amazing.

[James Harris]

But so you're training all 10?

[Jacob Elordi]

I'm training all 10. And the funny thing is, a lot of them have been like, chefs or sous chefs at, like, very big restaurants, but all of a sudden, now with Chinese food, they're acting like they've never cooked before. Like, chef, one teaspoon or one tablespoon? How many grams? Yeah, bro. Like, did you just forget how to cook?

[James Harris]

What the fuck is Shaoxing?

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, exactly. There are. The guy will. What? Yesterday, one guy brought a gallon of Shaoxing and a quart of Shaoxing, and it was the same brand. It was like, chef, which one should I use? I go, bro. Literally, there's just two different sizes. You could use either one. But it's just, like, a revolving door of questions. But I think everyone just wants to do really well. But it's hysterical how, like, when you're doing something new, most people are just like, tell me exactly how to do it.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

And I learned. I never learned reading a recipe. I have to just, like. Like, throw in a walk and, like,

[James Harris]

figure it out and cook also. It's like, you learn pretty quickly. It's like, oh, that sucked. I'll try again tomorrow.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes. And in a French kitchen, everything's very measured, but in a Chinese kitchen, you just set up your mis, and you're just, like, throwing it in the wok. And you cook by feel. And that's a new technique to, like, teach me.

[James Harris]

Oh, yeah. So they gotta learn how to trust themselves.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, they don't trust themselves.

[Chris]

It's getting deep in there.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. Is getting crazy and transforming.

[James Harris]

Let them know.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yep.

[James Harris]

What's your tik tok look like? Do. Are you getting, like. Do you get a lot of, like, cooking content?

[Jacob Elordi]

You. I stopped using tik tok after they had us check that box thing.

[James Harris]

Oh. After they moved from Chinese controlled American control. It did suck for a while, but it's back. It's back.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, it's back. Okay, then I'll start using it again.

[James Harris]

I mean, it's obeying you for sure, but, like, so is.

[Jacob Elordi]

So are these everything? Yeah, so is everything.

[James Harris]

Your smart fridge is clocking your.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yup. She wanted to ask you about Bravo shows, bro. I watched them with her.

[Chris]

Well, first of all, Mary Cosby.

[James Harris]

Did you hear? Very sad.

[Chris]

I'm distraught. I'm devastated.

[James Harris]

That sucked.

[Chris]

Yeah. That was hard.

[James Harris]

That was. That was rough. I love that she. She seemingly was, at least on camera, you know, doing the right things. I don't know how to.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Deal with that. But, like, it seemed like she was, you know, doing it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Doing it correctly.

[Chris]

She was handling it. So. Mary Cosby, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, married to her grandpa.

[James Harris]

Yes.

[Chris]

OG Body Stupid.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes. Yeah, No, I remember. I watched.

[Chris]

Yes. He watches it with me. Her son was, like, battling addiction. She was very open about it on the show. Like, put the whole thing. She was really cool about it.

[James Harris]

She was like, on camera.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, I didn't see that.

[Chris]

She was like, just. I think she handled it like, I've never seen anybody handle anything as well as she did. It was amazing. Yeah. I was, like, crying watching it, like, sobbing. But her son just passed away. Yeah. From, you know, his struggle with addiction. But, yeah, really sad.

[James Harris]

So they halted filming for a week.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

They'll be back next week for one week.

[Chris]

And then they're doing a cast trip to Greece and they're gonna stop.

[James Harris]

Did you see Lisa Barlow's comment?

[Jacob Elordi]

No.

[James Harris]

Everyone is, like, leaving, like, heartfelt messages like, oh, my God, he's with. You know, he's been called back to his lord because she's very religious.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Some say maybe cult leader.

[Jacob Elordi]

He's.

[James Harris]

That's how she got all the Versace furs. But, you know, he's been called back to God. Da, da, da. Like, heartfelt paragraphs. And then Lisa Barlow just hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard.

[Chris]

Crazy. I love her Though, really? I love Lisa.

[James Harris]

I think she's got to go.

[Chris]

Are you okay? But are you more like Heather, like, bad weather, or Lisa Barlow Meredith?

[Jacob Elordi]

I'm neither, really.

[Chris]

So who's your. Like, who's your girl?

[James Harris]

Like, honestly, the season was a lit. A bit too aggro, where I'm like, all you guys do.

[Chris]

I didn't have fun.

[James Harris]

This is why. I mean, I think we're going to go through some shows, but this is why I feel like a lot of reality shows are good in the beginning. And then everyone hits inflection point where they. They're so aware of being on camera and they're, like, trying to get off. Like a trademark bar. Like, you got high body count, hair.

[Chris]

TM sucker.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

And, like, everyone's fighting for camera time and they're starting fights and shit. And so I feel like a lot of reality shows hit that point. Right. For Housewives of Salt Lake City right around now, and it's just not enjoyable anymore.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's like season seven. It's like five, six, seven, where it gets weird.

[James Harris]

Yeah. That's why I like all the. All the kind of, like, new generation shows on Bravo. I'm not really a Housewives guy.

[Chris]

Yeah. I haven't. I haven't done, like, new gen. Like, I haven't gotten into the new Vanderpump yet. But the old Vanderpump is so good, like, those early seasons that I just, like, have to mourn it. I have to just, like, let it go. I needed to, like, bury it properly.

[James Harris]

Only time I've ever bought content on only fans was because of new Vanderpump rules. Because there's a plot line where two cousins are potentially each other. Two male cousins, the incest and hat. Me and two friends that I watch with. We had to buy it. We had to buy the sex tape to watch as we're, like, watching Vanderpump.

[Chris]

Okay.

[James Harris]

150 bucks.

[Chris]

Real cousins. Like, first cousins.

[James Harris]

Like Italian cousins, you know?

[Chris]

Okay, that's fine.

[James Harris]

But, like, I think they're real cousins.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Jacob Elordi]

Are you in a relationship now?

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Word isn't like, following an only fans while you're in a relationship cheating.

[Chris]

I got to doing it like that.

[James Harris]

Like, bro, it was four dudes.

[Jacob Elordi]

Fair, Fair.

[James Harris]

Four dudes not committing incest.

[Jacob Elordi]

You're not subscribing to other pogs.

[Chris]

No, no, no. But I think if you're in a relationship and you're like, you know, like, yanking it to only fans girls all the time, like. Yeah, it's weird because I Would just be like, just give me the money. Like, no.

[Jacob Elordi]

Or just go to. Go to and get the leaks. Get the leaks.

[James Harris]

You know, for the record, you should pay your sex workers.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh yeah, don't go to Capello and watch this. Yeah, don't.

[Chris]

I don't.

[Jacob Elordi]

I don't even know how I knew that website. I was trying to buy hard bottom shoes.

[Chris]

I thought it was Wikipedia.

[James Harris]

I thought, I thought it was. I thought it was Italian liqueur. No, but you should, you should get into it. It's a slow start. But then they only fans are the new vanderpump.

[Chris]

Because like I'm gonna start posting looks maxing. I'm gonna start posting on only can feet. Yeah. Somebody just DM'd me the other day and they were like, where do you get your toes down? You always have like the best feet. And I was like, that's the best compliment I've ever got in my life. It was another woman. If it was a man, I'd be like, you. That means nothing. But it was another woman. And I was like, ah, why don't you just.

[James Harris]

Why don't you sell it?

[Chris]

I mean, listen, I'm not saying I never have.

[James Harris]

Oh, chill.

[Jacob Elordi]

Kidding. I'm kidding.

[Chris]

You can sell anything on the Internet.

[James Harris]

Sell anything.

[Chris]

Sell anything.

[James Harris]

You can sell anything.

[Chris]

You could probably sell your feet. You could probably sell your feet.

[James Harris]

My feet are jacked up. Yeah, I got shrek knuckles.

[Chris]

There's like a buyer. Like there's definitely some like weird thirsty who would be like, yeah, I'll buy that pick.

[James Harris]

Well, guys, so what I've heard is that guys like girls with dirty feet. Girls like. Or guys like. Or girls with dirty feet.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Do well. And guys clean feet do well.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Because they want you to have like sweaty feet. Like I think that's the like it's like go like take a run and then like send me the sock by.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, no, yeah, I just like that nice petty and open toed sandal.

[Chris]

Yeah, like, no, that's like, like the

[James Harris]

pose with the manicured toes.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah. I think it's like an iceberg. A foot fetish, right? It's like, yeah, cute manicured toe.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And then like boo. And then like, yeah. I don't know, like stripper heel. And then it's like sweaty gym shoe.

[James Harris]

That was the first time I, I met an actually guy when Nelly was like, I like the girls with the manicured toes. And it's like actually manicures for your hands and pedicures for your toes. Shut the up.

[Chris]

Bro, actually, you're wrong.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Traded me for a lifetime of Reddit comments.

[Jacob Elordi]

That's hilarious. That Nelly had that up. I didn't even notice that till now, actually. Damn. Yeah, damn. Do you have Bravo Rapid Fire for him? Oh, you have the.

[Chris]

The other one, Rapid Fire.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. We wanted to ask you. Merse Rapid.

[Chris]

Yeah. We want to ask you about purses.

[Jacob Elordi]

You don't merse. I merse. I used to. I mersed in la, in New York. It's not a thing, but let's.

[James Harris]

I got.

[Jacob Elordi]

Possibly tell us.

[Chris]

Yeah, you got a jacket you were gonna. If you were gonna mail? Merce, this is like mostly just like shit that Jacob Elordi has worn. Okay. Bottega andiamo. Or Prada bonito.

[James Harris]

I don't know what either are. Is the Bottega the Intra Chetto or whatever the fuck. The intra fapillo.

[Chris]

Yeah. So the Bottega is like the wool. It's, like woven and it's like a large toe.

[James Harris]

I'm over that now because I used to fuck with Bottega a lot. Like, theoretically, because I can't afford it. But now Bottega has been ruined by the Chrome Hearts. Guys were. To the point where they're calling it Protega Fits where they mix the chrome in the bot.

[Chris]

Are you into the Crow guy?

[James Harris]

Crow we just talked about in the pod that came out today?

[Chris]

What was it his shirts need money for Crow.

[James Harris]

Yeah. So it's actually mixing Chrome Hearts with the road. Do you have one right now?

[Chris]

Crow Hearts with the Row.

[James Harris]

Okay.

[Chris]

Yeah, I. That whole thing, like, what's your vibe on that? What's your vibe for new money for Crow with his, like, Hanes T shirts?

[James Harris]

I'm not anti the Row. A lot of people are. They're like, it's so expensive for the sake of being expensive. But I think that like anything, how you or why you choose to consume it and how you choose to exhibit it is like a reflection of your values and how you choose to present yourself to the world and what you think is important. So for these guys, they're price sorting the world high to low, right? And it's like, oh, Chrome Hearts the Row. Let me get the two most expensive brands just so I can. And the whole thing with the Row is that it's quiet luxury. It's not supposed to. There's no branding. You're not supposed to, like, know that it's the ROE but they're like, yo, what up? We got the roti. Yeah. We got the chrome jeans. We got the Chrome belt. We got the Bottega intra fapello bag. So shout out for Pello. Yeah, I was just. I mean, I was just. I was just. Yeah, it's this whole streamer, like, streamer culture. Guys shout out this guy Sush. I do think it's interesting that he's, I think one of the only big streamers that like the last taboo really is like open drug use. Like, even guys that are clearly yacked out like, don't do it. But he's just out here like whipping it on stream with the Crocane, the Credamine.

[Jacob Elordi]

Wow. Oh, he got the like chrome spoon.

[James Harris]

I don't want that.

[Chris]

But he's calling it croquet.

[James Harris]

Oh. So, yo, I got the chrome and the. I got the crow.

[Jacob Elordi]

Would be fire, though, if he had a chrome spoon like that. I would get a twitch account.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

You know, let me know when he starts doing that.

[James Harris]

I. Bro, I'm not just. I'm just seeing the kick clips, but yeah, so it's really the crow and the crotega just buying it to like, to pursue the most conspicuous consumption possible, which is like, you know, the rose. Expensive. So I'm telling you that I'm wearing the rose, that I know that I'm wearing a $5,000 sweater.

[Chris]

Yes. My ill fitting white T shirt is the Row.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Period. I feel like it's the most l A microcosm thing to ever exist. Just. It's so interesting watching him because he's just like, I'm at Maru. I'm at Erewhon. Yeah, I'm with my Crow. And it's just so. It's so Beverly Hills. I'm like, this would exist nowhere else.

[James Harris]

I thought he was Miami. But yeah, he's la and he's like, it's like I'm trying to up my bi P. My baddie intermingling potential.

[Chris]

So funny.

[James Harris]

And it's like, bro, stop trying to make VIP happen. It's not fetch.

[Jacob Elordi]

What is bip?

[James Harris]

Like I'm, you know, baddie intermingling potential. Whatever. He's just trying to make. He's like a housewife. He's trying to trademark.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, yeah. That's what everyone does now.

[James Harris]

Crow.

[Chris]

Yeah, Crow.

[James Harris]

Crow's working, though. Crow.

[Chris]

Crow is working. Crow is. He's like shredding with it.

[Jacob Elordi]

It kind of makes sense.

[Chris]

Every single person with that T shirt

[Jacob Elordi]

needs something vulgar and grotesque like chrome. They actually fit together, bro.

[James Harris]

I was chatting with a homie that works at the Row and I was like. I was like, yo, listen to Pod. But also, do you know about Crow? And he's like, no. I'm like. And then I gave him like, basically this rundown. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna try and cancel every sale to like every Miami store. Because it's. I think it's a very Miami centric thing too.

[Chris]

Yeah. I would love to hear the Olsen twins, like, discuss Crow. The Crow. Like, I would love to see them, like, watch that, like, tick tock feed and just be like, watch him like, go to Maru.

[Jacob Elordi]

I want to see someone do Averex Loro Piana. It would actually look kind of fire if you put the Loro Piana. I mean, sweaters.

[Chris]

This is like the vibe of this style.

[Jacob Elordi]

And out.

[Chris]

Yeah, the Aviron.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, Avirona. But it's a verana piano.

[James Harris]

It's Averex isn't expensive enough, so they don't give a about it.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. But it's grotesque enough to go with the Loro Piana. You need something else.

[James Harris]

That's the thing. They're not doing high low. They're not doing like chrome. So Body rock star.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay. What else is a vulgar high end brand then?

[James Harris]

Amiri. I don't know. Shout Out Mike. New Demna's. Demna's new Gucci. It's pretty vulgar.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Out there.

[Jacob Elordi]

That would be good.

[James Harris]

I don't know. Kiff. No. I guess kids is like going for men's word now.

[Jacob Elordi]

Hey, kid.

[James Harris]

Stein. Chris.

[Jacob Elordi]

So funny man. Chris.

[James Harris]

Yeah. So that I don't know. That's how I feel about Crow.

[Chris]

Crow. I need money for crow.

[James Harris]

Lawrence is like, yo. I thought he's just a guy being like, yeah, crow. Crow. Like a cool way to say chrome hearts.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Nah, bro. It's chrome in the row.

[Chris]

It's chrome in the row.

[Jacob Elordi]

I need to look at the crotega working.

[Chris]

The protega started happening and I was like, okay, Protegis.

[James Harris]

That's why I would choose Chanel over the Crotega.

[Chris]

Okay.

[James Harris]

Yeah, the Crino.

[Chris]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jacob Elordi]

Stone Island Laurel Piana. No, wouldn't really work.

[James Harris]

It's not expensive enough.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, it's not. You need. Yeah, there needs to.

[Chris]

It needs to be like flagrantly expensive, like Phoebe Philo or some Ficro. Ficro, yeah. Figo.

[James Harris]

No, no, no. I think merses are. I got an eckhous lotta bag. And it was very nice of them. I was like, all right, maybe I use like a tote for like the weekend or, you know, like a carry on. But I'm not a bad Guy.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. You know, when in la, I was a bad guy because you don't have jackets, you know what I mean? And sometimes you're not wearing pants with pockets. So a bag made sense in la. As soon as I came back to New York, I'm like, oh, this. You don't need this. No. This is goofy now.

[James Harris]

Headphones, chapstick.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Luckily, I got you could use, you know.

[Chris]

Yeah, for sure.

[James Harris]

This is some I've been Asia maxing with this. You stick it up your nose.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah.

[James Harris]

There's like a. Oh, you got me that menthol stick.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah, your mom got me that. I think.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, these are useful.

[James Harris]

Dudes just walk around with it up their nose like this. In Thailand, at least they just.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, yeah. Wow. It's landing.

[Chris]

It literally looks like a tampon. Like when you get a nosebleed and you put a tampon in your nose.

[James Harris]

It's called styling.

[Chris]

That's so sick.

[James Harris]

Yeah, I love it.

[Chris]

Don't leave it in there.

[Jacob Elordi]

I love it. Do we have any other questions for James? Did you have any other rapid fires? I was excited for the merce, but he's not. Immersed guy.

[Chris]

That's okay. Immersed guy. We could. Bravo. Rapid fire. I mean, we could just talk about your favorite people on Bravo.

[James Harris]

The best guy on Bravo. So they're doing a Nepo baby show where it's the sons and daughters of Bravo liberties.

[Chris]

I saw this next gen. Next gen.

[James Harris]

And just like rich kids in New York. And one of them was name dropped in that story, Ezra Marcus story about the crypto torture townhouse in soho where this guy was basically like the Ghislaine Maxwell for the Crypto Bros, where he would go to Brandy Melville and like, shat up the girls there and bring them to the parties and they. The best one, though, he's like 29 or whatever and like a full degen. But the best quote is they interview the Brandy Melville girls off the record or anonymously. And one of them was like, yeah. He would come in and we'd always just be like, yo, what's Unk doing here?

[Jacob Elordi]

He's so good.

[Chris]

So much bad.

[James Harris]

He is. Sex trafficking is here. Un is here to traffic the sex.

[Chris]

It's like, get in the car. No. Brandy Melville are so shady. So much bad happens out of Brandy Melville. It's crazy.

[Jacob Elordi]

Trapping from Brandy Melville is wild. Didn't your friend used to manage Brandy Melville?

[Chris]

Yes, my homie used to manage the Brandy Melville in SoHo. And, like, you would go in there and they would immediately. If you were like this, I don't know, like over 10 years ago now.

[James Harris]

They would be like over 10 years old.

[Chris]

Can we take. Yeah, literally, no, but little girls, they'd be like, can we take a photo of your outfit? Can we take a photo of you? And then I was just like, where are these photos going? Like, is this like literally? And I'm like, yo. They're like, we just like your outfit. Like, it's so good. I'm like, this is literally like on a menu somewhere.

[James Harris]

Me. Like, someone hacked the Brandy Melville discord.

[Chris]

It has to be in the Epstein files. There's some files that like, all roads lead back to Brandy Melville. Like, it was a weird. It's a weird fucking place. There's no cute girls. They'd be like, you should work here. You should get a job here.

[Jacob Elordi]

I've still never been inside of a Brandy Melville because.

[James Harris]

Me neither, bro. Because you put you on a bad list.

[Chris]

Do you want to know the worst part about it though? Is that Brandy Melville is like one of the last places ever that actually sells like 100% cotton T shirts and 100% cotton CO. Cotton.

[Jacob Elordi]

That's not true.

[Chris]

It 100. No, they really do. Like, I get my T shirts from Brandy Melville that I sleep in because they're cotton and like, not polyester. Like everything else is polyester. Look, it's a. It's. You're going to have a polyester blend on 100%.

[Jacob Elordi]

This is definitely polyester.

[James Harris]

This is. This is our legacy.

[Chris]

Actually, actually, actually it's nylon and rayon.

[James Harris]

What the is a English.

[Chris]

It's gonna be.

[James Harris]

It's gonna be 100 cotton.

[Chris]

Oh, good for you. We love that.

[James Harris]

Yeah, that's.

[Chris]

That's rare. No, but they really do sell 100 cotton. So like sometimes I have to buy online.

[Jacob Elordi]

Our legacy is fancy too. That's fancy. You're elevated. Yes, Elevated.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

They keep you. They keep you well stocked in our legacy. I saw you got the Tims.

[James Harris]

Those are the guys.

[Jacob Elordi]

The. Our legacy Tims.

[James Harris]

I would say my. I've been friends with them for a long time. Just like you were one of the first, like, big dogs to be like, who the is this 22 year old waging twink given the broccoli for free? That put me on.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. Yep.

[James Harris]

When I was feeding twice doing that unpaid internship, there was a trade show that like their company did. And our legacy was one of the only the three guys. Yokum, Christopher and Ricardo were only the three guy. Some of the only guys that were like, you know, I'm in the intern uniform and, like, hey, do you want to. And I'm, like, emptying trash cans, like. Like, showing interest. Like, hey, you want to, like, come into our booth and, like, take a look and we can talk to you and show you around? And so it's just like, oh, these are good guys. And they also happen to just be doing, you know, some of the best shit in the world. And that was again, like, 15 years ago.

[Jacob Elordi]

And then you got trafficked, and then

[James Harris]

they took a photo of my outfit,

[Chris]

and then he went on a bias,

[Jacob Elordi]

and now you're on for.

[James Harris]

Send it to. Send it to the Arnault Family now for 10.99. If you invest in us, this is what you get.

[Jacob Elordi]

I love it.

[Chris]

That's how we got a pod.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay, so in your. In your article, you ate at Bong, which looks phenomenal.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Has bistro.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Fire. What. Where else have you been eating lately? That you're, like, amazing. We know you love Stranger Light. You're like a resident at Strange Delight.

[James Harris]

Yes. Love Strange Light. They just. They just redid the menu, and I haven't had it yet, but they've been doing this, like, sandwich series every, like, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. And I had one that was phenomenal. It's from. Oh, Paul Kabawa. Oh, Curry goat meatloaf sandwich. It was gas. Bernie's, like, two blocks from there, so I'm always there. Shout out Oliver and the whole team. Bridges is really good. That's, like, the upper echelon of, like, fancy that. I like anything fancy that. I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

[Jacob Elordi]

That's cool. Those are good. Shouts.

[James Harris]

Kiko. Kiko. You know, have you been to Kiko? Yo. They're doing Asian fusion. Asian. They're doing Asian food.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, they are. They are right next to the oldest way.

[James Harris]

Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

It's Fire around the corner from where they film all the Bravo. Where they film Andy's clubhouse.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

So you go watch. Go watch. Watch what happens live. And then you go to Kiko, dying to go.

[Jacob Elordi]

And the couple that runs Kiko is really cool. I like. I like them. And then the financier is cool dude. Lloyd. He comes here all the time.

[James Harris]

Okay. It felt like they were flying under the radar and finally getting their flowers for.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Doing, like, really good food.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah. You came dumb late. Like, they were open a year before.

[James Harris]

It's a weird location.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

It's fusion, which I think a lot of people. It feels like fusion is like. Like 2016. Like, well, a few years back. I'm trying to think. There are a few other places that did Fusion, though, and just like, damn, this is good.

[Jacob Elordi]

But I like it. They're definitely on that kind of, like, nostalgic late 90s fusion fine dining restaurant, but done in 2026 in a smart way. I like it. It's cool and the room is beautiful.

[James Harris]

Yeah. And you get a lot of, like, after you get. I think you get a big after work crowd from, like, the offices in the area where the Widen and Kennedy sample sale was. And then it kind of empties out, and so it's never like that hard to get a table there. I want to say maybe now after this podcast will be.

[Jacob Elordi]

Honestly would be a good date spot.

[James Harris]

Good double date spot. Because some of the portions are big. That crab.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, we want to go to France and live with you.

[James Harris]

Yeah. I'm excited to try. Try Bauhaus.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yes. Next week.

[James Harris]

I can finally afford the pork.

[Jacob Elordi]

Ah, you eating for free, bro. Everyone eating for free that night. Everyone's eating for free. It's gonna be great. That party's gonna be fun.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

Can't wait.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

And, yeah, I still just like cooking at home.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, your cooking sounds kind of fire. Besides, like, pouring all your shrimp on the floor.

[James Harris]

I bricked some lamb recently. It sucked.

[Jacob Elordi]

What'd you do?

[James Harris]

I didn't wrap it tight enough, so all the moisture in, like, foil. So all the moisture escape. So it just dries. Hell.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, what?

[James Harris]

Cut bone and shoulder.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay, let me help. Look, tell me what you did. I'll fix this lamb for you.

[James Harris]

All right, so here's the thing. I don't have an oven. I have a little toast, like a fancy toaster oven. My oven's broken, and I just. I'm too lazy to get it fixed, so I put it in a roasting dish, some stock, some veggies.

[Jacob Elordi]

In a toaster oven. You put a lamb in a toaster oven?

[Chris]

This is like jail.

[James Harris]

No, no, it's like, dudes. Yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

Would, like, cook.

[James Harris]

I fried up some Doritos, the ramen

[Jacob Elordi]

flavoring packets, seasoned it with top ramen and put it in.

[James Harris]

That makes a toilet wine.

[Jacob Elordi]

And then.

[James Harris]

No. And then I didn't wrap it tight enough because I ran out of. I ran out of aluminum foil. It's like, all right, let me, like, you know, MacGyver some. And then so I did, like, low and slow, and all the moisture didn't get trapped.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah.

[James Harris]

In the. In the foil tent.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay. Did you have a fat cap on this lamb shoulder?

[James Harris]

It was. Yes. Way too much fat.

[Jacob Elordi]

No no, no, the fat helps you. So when it's fatty, some people will just assume, like, okay, meat with a lot of muscle and a lot of sinew. Oh, we're gonna go slow and low, Right? That works for, like, brisket, but you got to go like 12 to 16 hours. Lamb shoulder. The thing I do is I just, like, put it in a nice marinade, brine it so it retains moisture, lift it out, dry it off, rub it with a seasoning. Then no wrap, no nothing. Just go into your oven or toaster oven in your case. 350. Just bang it. Three and a half hours with the fat. 350 degrees and let that fat. The fat will protect your lamb.

[James Harris]

I don't know what happened. I mean, but here's the thing. Whatever. Like, I still ate it.

[Jacob Elordi]

Whatever.

[James Harris]

And then I'm just. Do it again.

[Jacob Elordi]

Try it. Try it again. Yeah, try it again. Let me know. Yeah, yeah.

[James Harris]

Trying to get. Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm trying to get work with more raw seafood.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, that's fun.

[James Harris]

Uni hand rolls for Valentine's Day. That's fun.

[Jacob Elordi]

Nice.

[James Harris]

Got a zoji rushif rice cooker.

[Jacob Elordi]

Okay. That the elephant? Yeah, the elephant is easy.

[James Harris]

Just hit start, come back an hour later.

[Jacob Elordi]

If I was gonna start to show some, like, cooking seafood, the Four Horsemen cookbook is quite good. Four Horsemen cookbook is good. And Ari Colander's cookbook, the guy that owns found oyster.

[James Harris]

Oh, yeah.

[Jacob Elordi]

I think it's called, like, how to cook seafood or something like that.

[James Harris]

But good SEO.

[Jacob Elordi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those two books for seafood are really, really good.

[James Harris]

Yeah, Just using a chat. GPT.

[Jacob Elordi]

Oh, no, no, use those books. Those books are good.

[James Harris]

All right.

[Jacob Elordi]

I read those books. Yeah, yeah. But, bro, thank you for coming on the pod. Amazing.

[James Harris]

Of course.

[Jacob Elordi]

Thank you for having me, man.

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Harris]

March 4th Pod.

[Jacob Elordi]

God, thank you.