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Hello and welcome back to the canceled podcast. We're so back. We're so back. Chat.
B
We're so back. We're back in my living room.
A
Back. And I've never been, like, happier. I've never been happier ever, than right now.
B
Ever.
A
No, I've been happier, but, like, I'm really happy.
B
What could you have right now that would make you happier?
A
A beach, maybe. Oh, but like, right now in this various. No, but, like, dead ass. Like, I'm so, so, so happy to be back.
B
I'm really excited to be back too.
A
It was only like three.
B
It felt like longer for some reason, though, because we were sitting like, here the last time we spoke.
A
Yeah, it. It feels like the last time we podcasted was like six months ago. And sometimes, like, the break is very needed, like mental health and just whatever. But other times, like, I felt. I feel so repressed. I feel like I haven't had a voice. I have so much to say and.
B
Just like so many things have happened since that happened, so that it feels like it's been.
A
That's probably why it's like, because we were supposed to film originally on what, January 16th or something like that. And then the fires happened.
B
What? Isn't it the 16th now? Oh, the 20th.
A
No, so. Oh, I don't. Okay. I'm just making up maybe like the 9th or the 10th. Yeah. Because I was leaving. I was supposed to leave for tart on the 11th.
B
Yeah.
A
And we were supposed to film it's today. Literally feels like January 2nd to me. Like, just due to the fires and everything. Like, yeah, we're gonna need a do over.
B
We hit the new year, we were all excited, and then, like, our whole town caught flying flame.
A
Yeah. I was in such a, like, ready for 20, 25 headspace. And then like, major, major setbacks, obviously. And like. Yeah, who am I to say that? You know what I mean? Like, I know everything worked out fine for me, but it's been crazy. I mean, I don't even know where to, like, start.
B
I don't either. It's. I mean, I guess with the fires obviously so horrible and dark and devastating. Same thing. It's like I'm. I feel so lucky that it, like, we weren't really in, like, that much of a danger zone. You've been in evacuation zone for like.
A
I, like, just got back from Vegas. I, like, had to evacuate three separate times. And then, like, after packing up my bringing it home, packing up my bringing it home, I was like, I just gotta go, I can't. And Breathing the air is crazy. I say this as I hit the vape. So, like, maybe it's just the vape, but, like, I really haven't been able to breathe lately. Like. And flying over la, did you notice it is the thickest layer of, like, dark gray smoke over all of la? I was like, oh, my God.
B
I know. People are saying, like, this is how it always goes where it's like, it's not until, like, years down the line that we find out how many people are going to be, like, truly affected.
A
I can't afford asbestos.
B
No, you need to get an air purifier. But they're so hard to come by. I saw. I saw a bunch at Costco yesterday, though. That's a whole thing. I had to get a Costco membership.
A
Wait, why?
B
Because Tick Tock got banned. I thought I was gonna have to enter adulthood, so I went. I literally was at Costco when they unbanned that, I was like, I don't even need this anymore.
A
I thought you were gonna say that, like, you bought everything on Tick Tock shop prior so you, like, had to go get a Costco membership.
B
No, but I was like, you know what? I guess it' like, I'm gonna be an adult. I deleted Tik Tok off my phone, which, big mistake, by the way, because. Hello. And now I'm the only one who doesn't have Tik Tok.
A
Oh, you still don't have it?
B
No.
A
Oh, you're thriving. Though I will say, even just like, I got really sad about it. I feel like all the way up until it actually got banned, I was very much like, yes, this is going to be so good for everyone's mental health. And then I started thinking about all the good. And, like, I got so sad and, like, I couldn't even delete it off my phone. I was like, I'm not accepting this. But the eight hours without Tick Tock was so.
B
To me, it was like I knew it would be good for me. It was kind of like one of those things where it's like, oh, well, if I don't have snacks in my house, like, I won't eat. Yes, but then you're miserable. You know what I mean? That's how I felt. I was like, oh, like, this is gonna be so good for my mental. But then all. All day long, I'm just trying to open it, trying to open it, trying to open it. So then I was like, you know what? Let me just take this off my phone. I deleted it, and I kid you not, 45 seconds later, I start seeing Instagram stories. Tick Tock is back.
A
Well, you're probably drawing from like the dopamine hits.
B
Yeah, well, I just like, I think also like, I mean, reels is just like a whole different animal. And I don't even know if we should give reels the attention.
A
I opened up reels. Like, it is so scary. It's so dark, it's apocalyptic.
B
I'll tell you why I hate rules is because it's only showing me fitness content.
A
Wait, that's crazy. Mine is. Wow, it's so telling, like who we are as people. Because mine is like all furries.
B
Well, it's because, like, I do like, on some level, I like, I. You know, I recently started like really working out again. So I was like, I was interested in that content for a second, but I'm like, if it's the only content I can see, I don't want to engage with this content. But then I realized everyone on Instagram reels can see what you like.
A
Oh yeah. I almost got caught up in my hour.
B
I saw this like really, really funny, but like, definitely like kind of fucked up video.
A
My favorite.
B
And I went to go like it and unliked it so quick. I was like, oh my God, thank God. I just caught myself. But I saw liked by at least 100 of my friends. I'm like, oh, these people are all going to get themselves caught up.
A
No, no, in 2025, you're not getting caught up.
B
Like, no, no, honestly, like, sorry about that. Seriously.
A
No, that's like. We'll talk about that one on the. Cancel the words. Cuz that's just. That was. That was funny. Not funny.
B
It was nothing was fun. It doesn't matter. But I'm. I'm not. Now I'm a little bit more hyped to reels maybe because I've been without TikTok for a couple days. So I'm like, if I see one.
A
Funny thing, I'm like, I get. What is it called? Like feeder content. Like what? Like, I don't know what you're.
B
I don't know what that means.
A
Like, people who are like very much overweight but like, like, like sexualizing it. Like, ooh, and like jiggling and like, like, I. I'm gonna sit on.
B
There's a market for that.
A
My every single thing on my reels is like porn teasers. Like every single thing.
B
It is scary. I saw. I. I keep getting this girl who like makes cooking videos, but she'll like open the fridge and like purposefully, like, do a little jump and her tits will hit her face.
A
It's. It's the jumping. It's all the like recoil. Like, like imagine right now. I was like, hello. And what? Like, it's like, oh my.
B
But I just think we do, honestly.
A
Yeah, that is true. Men are just dumb though. Like, I get it and get your bag. But like, I've yet to make my reels an algorithm that feels safe at all. So many furries. Like, the very first video I opened my reels up to, like after Tick Tock got deleted, I was like, okay, let me give this a chance. It was this guy in a full furry costume getting on top of another person on all fours in a furry costume and starting them like a car and then like driving away. Like the person on all fours, TikTok. And I was like. And all the comments are so like, dare I say, like the reels audience is just like dumber.
B
So bad. It's so funny because like you can see like a video that's like complete rage bait. It'll be like in the comments will still. It's like everybody wants to be the person who's like, this isn't real. This is AI. And it's like, no, it's a fish walking down and just like jokes.
A
Like, I would see like a funny reel and then open up all the comments and it's like everyone's like missing that it's funny. And it was making me so mad. Like someone made such a funny tick tock about them, like learning Mandarin to like, whatever. And then all the comments like, this is actually Japanese. And I'm like, you're missing the bit. Like, it's just like, it's so like, I don't. People are just so like.
B
I know.
A
Correct.
B
Really discouraging honestly finding that out because I. I like to think that everybody like Tik Tok for me was like very exciting when I found out, like, oh my God, look at all these funny people that I didn't know existed. Like, people are so funny. And it made me have like this new sense of hope for our world. And then it immediately I got shot right back to the ground when I found. Found out that they are only on Tik Tok and I can't find them anywhere else.
A
No, they're not on reels at all. And it's so crazy. The Tik Tok band was just crazy. It made me even realize, like, I've been putting too many eggs in that basket. I guess I rely on Tick Tock. Very heavily for my business and, like, money to, like, remain relevant in order to continue to push all of the other avenues. But it's like, I can't even imagine all of the people whose, like, sole thing is Tick Tock. Like, how they felt like people were coming at Alex Earl for crying. And I'm like, you would cry, too.
B
Yeah. Like, if you lost your num. Like, the biggest money maker that you had.
A
And, like, the thing that, like, I'm just imagining, like, at the peak of YouTube, when I was doing that, if, like, YouTube was gone, like, I would, like, be like, I'm not attached to Tick Tock in that way because it's not, like, what's charted everything for me, but, like, I can't imagine. And then just, like, the Michaela J makeups of the world, like, where was she gonna go? Reels, New York, you know?
B
Yeah. I don't know. I. I do feel lucky in that way that we were, like, a lot of influencers. Like, literally, like, their number one and only platform is Tick Tock. Like, if we didn't have canceled, I feel like I. That would have been, like, really much scarier. I guess that's true for a lot of people.
A
I guess that's true. But still, I just, like, I don't even know. It made me really just want to get back on my YouTube grind. Like, it just made me realize, like, no, I got.
B
I got scared because I'm like, oh, now it's like, everyone's gonna do it at once and, like, no one's gonna care, you know?
A
No, I think. Well, I think we're all good now. But it just. It was really, really wild. I don't know. I just was like. Even in the eight hours, though, like, I watched a show in full. No Subway Surfer on the side. You know, I put some.
B
What show in full?
A
Dexter. Original Sin. There's a. For the Dexter lovers out there, Dexter's my favorite show of all time, and there's a new season that's, like, from the very beginning. Like, you learn about his early childhood, and it's so good.
B
I love when people do that or when, like, movies have, like, prequels, and.
A
They just cast it so well. Like, I don't know the guy's name, but Michael C. Hall plays Dexter, and they literally found, like, an identical, younger version of him, and he's just. Just stabbing and slaying and it's so good. I love Dexter.
B
Maybe that's a habit you can keep.
A
Yeah, I put some clothes in the hamper, you know, What? I mean, I made a meal. Like, it just. It already I felt like such a different person. And I'm kind of like, for the positive side, sad because, like, now I'm not gonna quit Tick tock.
B
I'm gonna let it. Let us have it. Like, gone for at least a week. Like, if I could accomplish, like, here's the thing, it was gone for 12 hours. I did, like, four things on my list that I've been wanting to do all year. Okay, so how much could I have accomplished in a whole week?
A
No, it's insane. It really is insane. But it's like, what is it, do you think? Like, they can't lose us, like, they want our data?
B
I don't know. I started thinking about, like, literally packaging up my data myself and sending it over just to prove.
A
Yeah, it's just like, who gives a fuck? But then again, it's like my buttholes on the Internet. So it's like, obviously I don't care about, like, my data. Yeah.
B
But, like, you know, I guess I don't really. Maybe I don't understand what data means because it's like, no, I'm dead. I'm dead serious. Because I'm like, what do I care if they know what I'm searching on the Internet?
A
Yeah. I don't know.
B
Like, oh, no, I'm on Amazon again. Like, yeah.
A
I'm realizing I have no secrets. Even that trend where everyone was, like, trying to think of a secret.
B
Can we talk about that?
A
Yes. I literally realized I have nothing to say, though. Like, I have no. All my secrets are, like, so life damaging for other people, or like, I guess myself, but, like, nothing.
B
Like, yeah, I did, like, a stupid one. But I. I was like, surprised to find out how many people were surprised that, like, certain influencers were lying about the things that they're doing. I'm like, did you genuinely think that they were, like, waking up in their bed doing this? Their camera was already set up.
A
Yeah.
B
And like, no.
A
Meredith Duxbury wiped those pumps off. You people are sheep.
B
Yeah, sorry.
A
I'm sorry.
B
But yeah, like, it is that that way where it's like, people will be like, I actually didn't work out six times a day.
A
And it's like the BBL fitness influencers all have a special spot in hell, though. Like, you are. You are diabolical people for that. Like, to make people try to attain your literal fat graphics.
B
But that's not a problem. That just now, like, that's not a problem. We're just discovering right now that Just is a problem. That's not the problem today.
A
That is true. It's just like. And these really coming like, you couldn't waterboard that out of me. If I was a fitness influencer and I had a bbl, you couldn't waterboard that out of me. The doctor could come out with the before and after and I would be like, AI, you are lying crazy. The ice cube girl had me shook. I'm like, what do you mean girl?
B
Oh yeah, she has all the cool ice cubes and she doesn't even like ice.
A
Like, what do you mean?
B
I didn't have any good ones but I do have like some friends that I'm like, come on, say something. Like everyone was like, tell. Tell Michaela.
A
She. She had the opportunity to do the funniest thing in the world.
B
But you know what? She was onto something. Because you know what's not gone tick tock.
A
Yeah, but it's like we all know it's a wispy just that's the only one where it's like, it's like everyone knows you lied, so you might as well. I think her being in on the joke would make like see her in a whole new light. Like taking that to the grave as if it's like a murder is like, come on, tell us it was a wispy 305 and get your get an Ardell deal girl.
B
Like, you know, it was so funny.
A
I still why I'm so passionate about that.
B
You know how far we got off from our topic of the fires.
A
Should we go back?
B
Well, I only am thinking about it because like we really talked about it for two seconds and now we're on the Ardell whisper be.
A
I do have a lot to say. It was so scary. I think even like with Maui, like a lot of people from Maui will always tell me like how the fires and like you can picture it and you can have empathy for them, but until it's your home on the line, like it's such a different feeling. Especially too like I love LA so much. Like the Hollywood fires especially like it was just. It's so sad to see a place that you love so much burn to the ground.
B
Yeah, it's the same thing is true for like grief or anything. It's like when it's happening to you, it just like it's so much more real. So it was very like I've never experienced something like that in my life and obviously like just terrifying too because it's like it'd be one thing if it's like, oh, we saw it happen and it was over, but it just was so ongoing, and it kept starting. Like, they were popping up everywhere. I'm like, I. I can see both fires. So Palisades is that way, and Eaton fires that way.
A
These panoramic windows are not good for that. No, it was.
B
It was so. Like, I. Oh, my God. I was just so anxious for days because it's like, I can see them burning in both directions. And then, you know, Runyon caught fire. It literally. I'll have to, like, I'll send Oscar videos, actually. We turned around and our backyard was on fire. Like, it just is, like, it was scary because now, obviously, people are setting the fires. So it's like, at any point, it's.
A
Like, the amount crazy. Like, the one in Studio City was confirmed. There's, like, five fires now.
B
Someone like that on fire today.
A
Yeah, it's just. It is so wild, the amount of fires that are arson. Like, it's. People are just sick and twisted.
B
It makes you wonder. Like, I mean, people are saying that the Palisades one was arson to start. So, like, I don't know if people just, like, knew the winds were going to be crazy, so they took advantage of it. I mean, I guess it's like, I just.
A
It's so wild how fast it can move. Like, the Hollywood one was so crazy. I, like, so the fire originally was just in the Palisades, and I'm in the Valley, so I am like. And my house is very much on the edge still, like, on the map. It is still on the edge. So when it started coming over towards my house, obviously, that was, like, the scariest moment. I've never cried that hard in my life. And, like, whatever. But the very first evacuation, I, like, my power was out, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna go get a hotel in Hollywood. So I take all of my most valuable things out of my house and into the Lowe's Hotel in Hollywood. And at that time, too, on the maps, like, that was the safest possible place in Los Angeles county for my stuff to be. So I take everything I care about the literal most to the Lowe's Hotel. And then I wake up, and I'm, like, just walking around Hollywood Boulevard. It's, like, so creepy. Everything. It just doesn't feel real. It feels like an apocalypse movie. It's so scary. And eventually, I decide to go over to my house and start continuing to evacuate my stuff to Hollywood. And I'm at my house, and I'm packing up stuff, and then you call me and you're like, I'm evacuating my house. Hollywood Boulevard is going to be on fire in 30 minutes. I'm in the Valley, all. Everything I care about in. On Hollywood Boulevard.
B
You guys, I'm not kidding. I. I'm sitting here, I turn around, my. My backyard is aflame. And then on the news, they're saying Hollywood Boulevard is going to be engulfed in flames in one hour. Okay? So imagine the terror. I text him, like, we are not shooting. Canceled tomorrow. I'm being. I'm like, mandatory evacuation right now. Like, freaking out. And Tana's like, I gotta go get my stuff. I go, no, you don't. Like, you can't go get your stuff. Tana went to get her stuff.
A
Oh, check.
B
We have to insert the photo of the Lowe's with the fire.
A
Of course. Everything I care about the most. I have chills even right now thinking about it was so insane. First of all, I have no power. The only candle I can find is a Pete Davidson candle.
B
My front door, my chapel roan.
A
Everything in my house is so, like, smart home technology. I can't get out of my front door. Like, I'm freaking the out. Isabelle and I get in the car. Everything she cares about, her, me, Isabella, Ashley, Annamari. We put all of our stuff in the low, so it's all four of us. And we start driving to the lows. And I'm watching the maps, and it like, originally was like 15 minutes away. And then it's becoming 25, 30, 35, whatever. And then we eventually get into gridlock traffic. And I'm like, oh, my God, everything I care about most is going to burn right now. Like, I'm gonna lose my mind. And so McCoe and I are about to get out and, like, start running. And then, like, people just start driving over the medians. People are driving across each other. There's no traffic laws at all. I get to the lows, it's packed out with people, and everyone is running out of this hotel. Everyone is run, like, running out, evacuating out of the los. I'm running in it, I'm running into it, and I'm like. And like, the workers are just helping me. Like, I didn't have a key. They're just, like, running up. And we go up. Mokoa has a photo. I'll find it. But, like, not even across the street. Like, the Lowe's was just about to be on fire. Like, we looked at the window and it was just completely fire. And I was like, oh, my God, I have to go on an elevator. Like, this is horrifying. And like, we got our stuff and then we get back down. It's just helicopters. Like, it's so crazy to the way people start acting. And I get it. Like, Isabella and I were freaking out. Just the phone going off every two minutes with like the. And like, people just cutting you off in front of you, driving crazy. But, like, no traffic laws. Like, there were police just driving directly at us down the road. People with suitcases running in between the cars.
B
Helicopters got like, I mean, what are you gonna do but, like, stop at a stop sign? Absolutely not. It's. It was just terrifying. I got a little lucky in that. Like, I was so. I didn't even think to pack anything that I. Like, we miss where we like, beat the traffic. But, like, immediately after that, it was like we couldn't get anywhere near this place.
A
Like, it was so scary. I realized I don't, like, really care about a lot of, like, material things. I really was just like, please God, I've worked my whole life to have this house.
B
Like, yeah, oh my God, how tough would that have been? I mean, and I'm sure it happened for so many people. I saw like, something about a house that had just sold like a few days prior for $12 million and then burnt to the ground literally like eight days later. No.
A
My realtor was telling me she had like 19 clients out of homes and stuff. And it was just so horrible. It was just. I was scream sobbing to poor Paige, like, bloody murder in her car. I was just like, literally begging God, like, please don't because it is so true. It's like, even people coming at Heidi and Spencer online, it makes me so sad because it's like, you can't. I mean, Spencer said it best. You've called me broken, irrelevant my whole life, and now you're saying that I'm rich and famous. Like, it's crazy the way people will just flip that. But so many people are only asset rich and not cash rich.
B
Not only that, but a lot of people who lost their homes were just not rich at all. I mean, not all the areas even that burn were. Were like super nice, like wealthy areas. It's just like the frustration I felt like reading everyone's comments that are like, like, you know, LA deserved this.
A
It's so sad and scary that people think even just like the amount of people. I mean, everyone knows multiple people who are affected, but like the amount of people who lost their childhood homes and like, families, it's just like it is so nuts and up. I really like want to leave LA a lot of.
B
Yeah, it's really made me feel that way. Especially cuz like perfect. I mean you know what's crazy is like, like for people who don't live in la, like the Palisades in particular is like the dream. Like that's like the number one nicest place that you could possibly live. Like that's like I could have never even like. Like think of living there and now it's burnt to the ground and like all these areas like or living in the canyon is like such a dream and like all the. Like I'm like where do you even go now?
A
Like no, it's so nuts. It's nowhere is safe and people are just so scary too. Like you do you see Whitney Cummings was like going out personally to like stop people committing arson. Like it's. I commented on Leo Skeppy's Tick Tock. Should I address that by the way?
B
I didn't see the Tick Tock but I saw the reaction to it.
A
Dude, take my phone away. Okay. It's just like that one time I forget sometimes. Especially just like I'll be, I'll smoke a joint. I'm at night, I'm scrolling, I'm watching on two times speed, you know me. And like I'll watch a fourth of a tick tock and then comment this. I commented this on his video. I didn't even watch the whole video. And then the next day I'm like getting all this hate and I'm like why? Like I just, I like skimmed some of his video and I was like whatever, like what did I. Whatever. And then I guess he was like coming at homeless people saying that homeless people are committing all these crimes. And what's crazy is like it's not, it's not.
B
Well first of all, at all, at all.
A
And that's on me. It's just like make a user 7737 account if you want to watch a fourth of a video and comment this.
B
Yeah, I'm sure his like like the concept was there because the people there are people committing these crimes. It's just not homeless people who are doing it. No, I mean like I learned a.
A
Lot about fear mongering. I didn't even know that was necessarily a thing. And I am like the perfect target for that because I'm such a paranoid person as is. And this the first time I evacuated my house. Do you know that my security caught six different people on my property? Casing my house. Like ski mask people, like. And obviously LAPD is so busy, so that's like the least of their concerns. And obviously even just now in la, like normally the police don't. You know, when I was living in Hollywood, it was like everyone was getting robbed on the street all the time. But it's not homeless people. It's like these calculated robbery rings and the people are so insane. But it's like I realized I am a victim of fear mongering because I, I do be sitting up, just so paranoid and like, you know what I mean? Like being afraid of everything and that's like, I can see how that video can cause so much harm. And yeah, I shouldn't be commenting this on that. I don't watch in full with my public account. Girl, you are embarrassing this. Watch the whole video.
B
The comment is pretty crazy. Like this. It's one thing to like it like.
A
Like you can't say this about a video you didn't watch in full.
B
You do be commenting on things though. I'm gonna lie. I'm not. I'm gonna be so serious. Like sometimes I'll be scrolling. Like honestly, every video I ever open, the comments of. You're in.
A
Take the phone away. No, I'm done. I learned a lesson. And like, no I didn't. Cuz I commented on like 30 Tik Toks today. But it's like if something like that, it's like obviously I just know better to like watch a video like that in full. And then now I'm like watching all these tik toks that everyone thinks I'm on like le the Leo Skeppy side of history. And it's like, no, it's not like, like the homeless, like I can't even believe certain people are on that side of history. Like it has nothing to do with the homeless people in LA are nuts.
B
And like, no, not at all. But I mean there is obviously like a major, like there's you know, like people who got caught dressing up as firefighters and do you see that today?
A
The arson someone fire truck that they.
B
Bought in an auction.
A
Someone bought a fire truck, a fake fire truck to go try to commit arson in the Palisades today.
B
I just, I do sometimes though. I'm like, did I just read that somewhere? And it became true to me, even though it probably wasn't.
A
Yeah, no, I saw, I mean I saw that article today but like I'm.
B
Just happy that for the most part, I mean like knock on wood, but like for so long it was like, they couldn't contain these fires at all. I feel like now we're. We're getting into a little bit of a rhythm with it.
A
We're 50, contained.59.
B
And there's. But that being said, there's no, like, structural risk right now.
A
What do you mean?
B
Like, it's like, all the fires, they are contained to areas there are no structures. Again, like, it's not burning houses right now. It's literally just burning wood.
A
Oh, that's good. That's really good. I'm just like, still. I'm on the very edge of this zone, and I am like, one wrong wind could definitely me up. So I'm like, really hoping things go back to normal. But, like, it is just so nuts. I don't even want to unpack my. I had to evacuate so many times that I'm like, you know, like, it's just scary.
B
But it was humbling for sure to fight. Like, you know, people say, like, grab your valuables. I'm looking around like, gotta go. Like, I got nothing.
A
I. It made me realize how little I care about material things. 100. Like, I really was just like, please don't let my else burn. Makoa did the sweetest thing. He put a sprinkler on my roof.
B
I know you got it.
A
You.
B
Honestly, I. I told you this already, but you got to propose to that guy.
A
Yeah. I might have to go.
B
Like, I think it's you on any.
A
I think I have to just baby trap, like, really clench, you know, I.
B
Don'T think you need to baby trap him. I think you baby trap in a bind. Like, no one. No one's baby trapping without emergency.
A
I have anxious attachment girl. What? Like, you're fine? Yeah. He was, like, helping me. And that was really sweet.
B
No, that was really cute. All I really cared about was getting the kids out of here. And it was. Honestly, Murphy's not. You know, Murphy's never even been to the vet before. Like, she's. She will not get in her bag, and she's never had an issue. So I'm like, she's fine. It was a nightmare. And they both. But they slept in a hotel. And they. Honestly. Listen. We went to the Beverly Hilton. It was like. I don't want to call it a positive experience because of course it wasn't a positive experience, but it was like, obviously, everyone had been evacuated, most of the people from the Palisades. And it was like the camaraderie, like, you know, every. First of all, everyone had their animals, and they were so Pet friendly. They had set up an entire ballroom, like with pee pee pads and dog food and cat food and toys and like a whole separate ballroom for the kids. And like everybody's just running around, like everyone's, you know, like so there for each other that it was very like, like it settled so much of the anxiety because it was like, like, I feel so safe here. I can bring my cats downstairs. No one's gonna say a thing.
A
Like, I feel like LA can be a very cold city, like clicky, and people aren't always the warmest. And I think that that's the only positive thing that I've seen. Obviously, just like positive takeaway is seeing LA really become a community for the first time ever. Like even just evacuating, going to hotels, we took Pocket on a little evacuation nation trip and like just seeing the way people are so kind to each other and like welcoming during this time. And like even all the donation places, I was trying to donate clothes and like they're all at capacity. Like, that's really cool.
B
We went to shop. I went to go, like, because they were saying people needed diapers and everything still. And I went to go buy things and it was almost like it was completely picked over. There was hardly anything I could even.
A
Buy, which is so great. It's, it's nice to see LA having a community for literally the first time ever. And it's, it's sweet.
B
But I think LA's always had heart. I think it just sometimes is masked.
A
I think in this city, the majority of the time people are very much only in things for themselves. So to see a lot of people be so selfless and, you know, to see Alexis Oakley chefing up in the kitchen, like, just to see people, you know, going above and beyond for other people is really sweet and it is just horrifying. Just even like thinking about losing everything is so crazy. Heidi and Spencer, like, I can't stop watching their stuff and streaming her music. Like, I just. Obviously there's so many other people who lost things, but I do feel like, because they're kind of influencers and celebrities, like, seeing them really, like, be a voice is. Yeah.
B
And also like, like, not that they're making it into like this big positive thing, but they're being a little like light hearted about it and I feel like it's refreshing to see them kind of like, you know, make light of the situation and joke around about it kind of. And like Spencer's been very like, you know, satirical, like, and just seeing like.
A
Him ride for Heidi like literally crying, saying, like, we spent all this money on this music and to finally see people like love it, like, it just makes me really.
B
Oh, I saw the cutest take. I forget. I wish I knew the girl who made the video, but she was talking about how like, you know, so Heidi had put all this money into the music and it wasn't successful then and they had lost so much money on it. But like she was saying like it was, it was an investment. It literally like they're just now getting the return on investment because they needed for the money to come now. You know what I mean? Because it had, they had it been very successful in the moment, then they would have already probably blown through that and like they would still be in this position, but instead it's like blowing up now and honestly stream.
A
Sweet.
B
What's it called? I. I'll do it. I'll do it.
A
Superficial.
B
Yeah, I'll do it. Isn't it in parentheses? Superficial.
A
I don't know.
B
Someone fact check me. Seriously.
A
I really want to have them on though. I just, I've always been.
B
I'm. I would a hiding on tag stamp. I love like, I just love how the world was against them and they just proved everybody wrong. Like everyone was like, they'll never stay together. They're like the most extremely like tight couple.
A
Yeah, they're everything. They're so cute. I mean, with all of that being said, I do feel like, especially due to the state of tick tock and just everything, there is so much drama and stuff to talk about. And can I just say, like I was telling you this before we started filming, but I don't know if it's the three weeks off or what, but I'm like ready. I'm ready, I think, to stir things. This is what it is. Being at my house, standing on my balcony, watching that fire come over my hill and really thinking about what I would do with my life if everything I ever worked for burnt down. I realized, I mean, first of all I would be the out of la, right? And. But even just thinking about that, like, it puts everything else into perspective in the sense of like what you really care about, right? And it's like care about the people close to me and like, that's about it, right? And it's like, I don't know, I just think that towards the end of the year I found myself in this place where I was being a. Because I was like afraid of Internet drama or like saying what was on my mind or like whatever. I'm like, I'M I'm ready for the smoke. I'm ready. No, that's not what I want to say right now. No smoke.
B
She takes that back immediately. Immediate retraction.
A
But it's just like, who gives a. Like if I have a opinion on someone, like, oh, my God, so be it. I'm gonna say it. What? You guys are gonna cancel me? Perfect. I'm gonna move to Hawaii and cook everyone from there. So true.
B
Honestly. Let's lean in.
A
I'm. I'm just at this point where it's like, I don't know. I let the Internet make me a soft baby back for a couple months there, and I think I needed it. I needed to dial back after that whole Cody Co, Alyssa Violet moment. But taking this time off, putting things back into perspective, I'm ready for this year and this podcast and, you know, okay.
B
I might still watch from the sidelines just because I'm. I don't know if I'm quite there yet.
A
No, it's not like I want to fight people. Like, I'm not angry. I think I was just holding back on opinions. Like, I was being a. Yeah. And it's just like, that's not who you are.
B
I'm that way too. I try to be like, pretty PC with my answers these days because I'm.
A
Like, you know, and like, that's what canceled is. And canceled was its most fun when we didn't give a fuck. And I just, I want to bring that energy back.
B
I feel like after having been canceled, I'm like, who am I to cancel somebody? But then I'm like, wait, you had been canceled before we were canceling anyone.
A
And it's like I was in that place for so long where I was just like, I felt so free and I didn't give a. And then I, like, I don't know, I regressed it.
B
I'm like, I became the boner of.
A
The century, which I think is good in a way. Like, some of it was growth and I needed to grow as a person. But. But I'm at this point in my life now where it is like, I'm so peaceful. I don't care what these other people think of me, especially when so many of these other people are so awful. And like, I'm confident in who I am as a person. And I know I'm a good. I don't know, I'm just like, I really almost did a 50 part series just actually exposing everyone. Like, no. And then I was like, book, book for sure. But it's like, here's the thing. My book is gonna be my life story, right?
B
Yeah, I guess. It's not an expo.
A
And it's like, I'm watching this Jack Wright and Sienna may go down. I'm. That's not gonna be of Tana Mongeau's life story. Right. But I have shit to say.
B
Yeah, okay.
A
Like, do you know what I mean? Like, there's just so many things that it's like, it's not going to make the book, but, like, I've always held off because I'm just so afraid of so many people. I don't know. I didn't watch all of cinema's videos, so I don't want to. Like, did you?
B
Like, I've only seen clips.
A
Really.
B
Yeah. I really don't know much about that situation at all.
A
Really.
B
I really don't.
A
I was counting on you.
B
Well, you were coming in here hoping that I was going to have the note. First of all, if there's one thing about me, it's always that I have the wrong information.
A
Like, I don't. I don't know what her video said. Jack Wright's a murderer. I think I shouldn't. I should. I should stop calling Jack Wright a murderer. Okay.
B
I don't think you should.
A
Immediate retraction. But obviously I said what I said on tour and, like, told that story, and then I got in a little bit of heat for that. But it's hard because being in my position in la, even the Emma Chamberlain, Ethan Dolan thing really had me. Like, I sometimes I forget, like, the life I've lived, I guess, and, like, my position in all of this, like, I'll be in taking things just kind of like everyone else. And then it's like, when that Emma Chamberlain, Ethan Dolan came out, I was like, no way. The whole world had no idea that the Dolan twins were like, anything that walked.
B
I guess that's true. Like, I think that was just our understanding.
A
Yeah. Like, I just. To me, I was like, of course, everyone knows that. And like, all of those boys, like the Magcon and the like, oh, bless their hearts. Well, I went on that whole tangent, but it's just like, obviously these boys, like, blow up for being hot to millions of young girls everywhere and can.
B
Do anything they want and they do.
A
Yeah. And that's. That's just the thing. Olivia O'Brien, like, I thought everyone knew. She literally posted that I should have your brother music video and, like, had two twins in it.
B
Well, but everybody thought that it was Jake and Logan. Yeah. Should we get her up here? Honestly?
A
We really should, honestly, and get, like, the. The full thing. But I guess I just. I was like, holy. I guess, like, everyone doesn't know the lore the way I know the lore. And I, like, forgot that a lot.
B
Of people infer, like, obviously everybody knew about Ethan and Emma, but, like, she had never personally confirmed it.
A
Yeah.
B
So I think it's just exciting, especially as a fan, like, for them to now, like, way down the line, get it. It's like, I knew it.
A
It is just. I mean, she obviously deserved better, but also, like, again, when you put those guys in that position, like, I'm sure they're grown now, like, just in that area.
B
Are they both married?
A
I think. I don't know, but it's just like, again, I'm sure they're grown now, but obviously, like, at that time, like, they were. Of course, they were unhinged, you know, but anyways, Jack Wright, like, I saw him a lot. You know what I mean? Like, he. After that whole thing with Sienna May, he really, like, dove into the partying scene. Crazy. And so I would see him out a lot and just like, a lot of the things he would do would always, like. Like, we would have nights and, you know, like, where I would be, like, out with 10 people and he'd be one of them and, like, he'd say something funny, I'd laugh. Like, we'd be in the same places together. But I would never say that we were, like, great friends. I just think that always, from a lot of the things that I saw him doing in LA when he was with her and not with her, like, one could infer that his intentions, especially with her in that whole situation, were not good.
B
And, like, she also was like. I mean, God, she had a really, really quick, like, blow up, too. So it was like, I don't know. Any time in that situation, you have to be a little bit like, oh, well, why are they so eager to hang out with these people?
A
I think he was eating up her demise. And I think that that's, like, one.
B
Thing that didn't sit right with me. Like, I would never want to. I don't know enough about the situation. I don't want to, like, invalidate his experience, but I didn't like how. How. How excited him and everybody around him got when she got so badly. Canceled.
A
Yeah. And it's just like it should. It.
B
It felt to me like it was about her getting canceled. Not so much like her being held accountable. It was like her.
A
That's what I. That's exactly what I'm saying. Exactly what I'm saying. His intentions were for her to get canceled, not held accountable. And I agree with that completely. It's nuts. I have more thoughts on the situation, but I feel like there has to be more things come forward before I'm the person exposing.
B
Yeah.
A
People's secrets and truths.
B
But I also.
A
Crazy.
B
Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk about Tarte island for a second, because here's what I will say about Tarte Island. They're getting a lot of flack for not canceling amidst the LA fires. I do not agree with that situation just because of how, first of all, how much they've donated and, like, how much they did do to help in the scenario. That being said, there was a theme. One of the nights was like, tart on fire. And you have to assume that was really poor planning. But.
A
But even if I, like, like, take down the placards today, then, you know what I mean? Like, how about tart underwater?
B
There has to be, like, something you can do to cross that out on the.
A
On the.
B
On the menu. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's so. It's almost like, are they rage baiting us? Because, like, I, like, I'm not sure if there's anybody around who's like. Like, thinking that far ahead. But, like, with everything that's happened, like, even without Los Angeles aflame, like, Tarte was gonna get heat for this trip regardless.
A
He.
B
He is the wrong. They were gonna get pushed back for this situation regardless.
A
Yeah.
B
But, like, it was almost like they leaned into it really hard, and if they did, more power to them because they were able to translate that into money that could be donated and put toward the bigger cause.
A
I mean, me putting on the glasses, it's like, I just feel like it's an alter ego whenever I put on my glasses, I just, like, look like less of a stupid. So here's the thing. I think Maureen is an amazing person. I really do. Even throughout the fires, just the way she was texting me, making sure I was okay, making sure everyone was okay like her. The second that Shape tape makes a damn dollar, that woman is running to donate it. And what other makeup companies are doing that as frequently as she is. Like, she is. She helps with everything. She is the first to donate everything. I also understand that so many of the girls on the trip were from the East Coast. I also think it's like, I'm assuming to rent Necker island to call up Richard Branson himself and Book that is a grillion dollars. Like, I see why they still did it and like, you know what I mean, I see why everyone still went. I just guess I personally, like, I couldn't like, well, it was just the night before I left, I get back to my house for my like third round of evacuations and this was the night where like it was coming over the hill towards my house and so I was just sobbing, like just uncontrollably sobbing at every second. And I was like, I walk into this like tart PR box and I'm opening it up and I'm like, I mean I have nowhere to go. Like, theoretically this is great in that sense. Like anywhere else I'm going to have to spend a bunch of money on a hotel. Like getting out of LA is horrifying. Like this is a guaranteed flight and a safe place to be, which is great, but it comes with so many other things, right? I start calling some influencers on the trip, okay? And even just that across the whole week before I. I had some facetimes with a lot of the girls. And it's so funny because I feel like I am the type of person where people call me to unload, like to rant and talk and like I feel like I was just receiving so many calls or having so many FaceTimes where so many of the other girls were talking so much, like being like, I'm so scared, so and so is going, I don't want to be. And all these influencers are so calculated in the sense where they're like, I don't want to be photographed with so and so, like, how is this gonna look? Pr, Yada, yada, whatever. And so it was already just like, like I knew it was going to be a lot. And then because that group, it's not, it's a including myself, it's a lot of personalities, you know what I mean? And even just explaining it to Makoa because I was bringing him, trying to explain it to an outsider. I was like, as much as it's a beautiful island and it is so relaxing. Like you don't go to relax. It's like someone transported a red carpet to an island and you're just on the red carpet on the island for five days straight. Like, and that's not on chart. You know, they have goat yoga and they have people meditating and they have all the. But just due to the nature of the like pr, like it's not giving relaxing, vacay, whatever. Anyways, fires start really coming and so I'M kind of calling other people on the trip to get a feeler. You know, some of my LA girls, I'm just like, what are you, what are you doing? What should I do? Calling people. And I call this influencer showing her where, where the fire is, like saying like do I go? Whatever? And she goes verbatim. This influencer goes, you just need to take your emotions out of it and you need to come.
B
Can I guess? Can I guess?
A
Yeah, of course. And I'm watching this fire roll over the hill, sobbing my eyes out while this influencer is on the phone telling me to take my emotions out of it and get on a jet to a private island. And I'm like, I can't. What do you actually mean? You know what I mean. I called Tiana Robillard, I will say, and she was so incredibly like sound and awesome and she honestly made me really get that from her. I just was imagining myself if the worst case scenario knock on wood happened and I'm on this island and I'm sobbing about my house and like Ken.
B
Yurik and Brianna Chicken fry are talking in the corner.
A
Yeah. And it's just like, you know what I mean? And then like these beauty are telling me to take my emotions out of it and like, you know, like it's just like I needed to be with my people.
B
That's a really, really crazy sentiment.
A
Like what do you actually mean you need to take your emotions.
B
I've never taken my emotions out of anything ever.
A
It's just. And the person kept going. So they were like, you're just not thinking logically, like you're thinking with your emotions. I'm like, what Lodge?
B
The logical people are supposed to think with their emotions.
A
Well and it's like the logical thing is not to go on this, you know, I mean I guess it's like again safety but it's like I also just wasn't in a happy headspace and like put, you know what I mean, putting on like the yay shape tape of it all for me. I couldn't.
B
Yeah, I made the whole experience like so much more miserable and you would have been so hyper aware. Like it's already kind of in like influencer settings like that. It's already sometimes very like oh my God, I can't believe this is like.
A
Really real life and whatever.
B
Yeah, I feel like that would have like put you in like a whole like outof body experience. Like what the is this?
A
Because like exactly like honestly just exactly.
B
Like the world is on fire and.
A
Again that Was only my experience. And half of these girls aren't even from la, so it's like, obviously, like, go on the train. Yeah.
B
I mean, how many times does this happen? Like, you know, it happened in Maui and we. Yeah, it doesn't affect you the same if it's not where you're from.
A
Yeah, 100. It's just like, I don't know. I hope to go on one in the future, but like, I just. And even just like, seeing all the.
B
Content to go on one in the.
A
Future, I just could not imagine myself there on that one. Like. And I think. I also think that for some reason, like, the Internet just holds me to a different standard in certain ways, which is kind of crazy. But like, if I was posting what, like Aspen Ovart or Remy Bader? Love them both. I'm just saying, if I was posting what they were posting on that trip, I think my comment section would have been like, warfare. I. I want to, like, move on from the tart trip. But there was so much that happened that's also that, like, it was just like, I didn't need to be in the mix of all of that. You know what I mean? Because it was just like, so much. I was not expecting the Brianna chicken fry and Ken Yurich makeup at all.
B
Do you think it was more just like a.
A
Like, I'm drunk and I'm on trout island and this is awkward.
B
Yeah. And we probably won't run into each.
A
Other again, but so interesting. I. I was expecting Kenyak to like, swing on her.
B
David Dobrik is back and he's ripped. What's that about?
A
He really. It's so funny seeing people say that. It looks like they like it. I thought iPhone stickered his head onto something.
B
You know what's crazy is I see him often.
A
Really?
B
And. Yeah.
A
Where?
B
A lot. Because he's a. He's like a big. He works with Paramount a lot and I work with Paramount a lot, so I always see him.
A
Oh, that's why I'm banned from all Paramount events. Actually, I forgot about that.
B
You're not banned from all parents. No. You're not.
A
I've heard from multiple people that you.
B
Said one time that you were banned. And I think that after that they were like, maybe she should be banned. You're not blacklisted from Paramount events.
A
Well, Jesus Christ. Then get me on the Sonic the Hedgehog carpet then. Like, I don't know.
B
I'm just so. I see him. Point is, I see him a lot. And I remember the last time I Saw him being like, he's looking pretty thin, you know, like, he's looking a little like. Because you could you see it especially in someone's face when they get like really thin like that. But I always see him in like an outfit. So when I saw him rip out that washboard, imagine my shock.
A
I think the Zela transformations are great though. You know what I mean? Like, that's a slay. I just. Something about David Dobrik's come back to YouTube and then all of LA lighting on fire. Just doesn't feel like you're blaming Dill.
B
Or you're blaming David Dobrik for the fires.
A
It's just weird that Dobrik's is still standing.
B
I can't get behind this.
A
Sorry. I'm just kidding. No, obviously. I think it's just like, like I know that so many people are nostalgic to Dobrik's vlogs and watched them and love them so much. I guess it's just like my personal ties stop me from feeling anything good towards his comeback, you know, and like the Views podcast, like, I just.
B
Is it back?
A
Yeah. And like, just, I don't know, like, what do you mean you just get to come back scot free? What do you mean? What do you actually imagine?
B
Do you think you got to come back scot free though? He got like, I mean, I mean it. He definitely took a hit.
A
He took a hit. I don't mean it like that. I guess I just.
B
I'm not saying he didn't deserve it. I'm just saying like, he, it's not like he just like nothing happened.
A
I know. I just think, imagine I took your eye out. Oh, and then I never paid you a dollar, never once said sorry, and never once, like just fully validated your emotions or maybe even came online and validated your emotions, right? And then all of a sudden, you one eyed open your computer to me traveling the seven wonders of the world. The seven wonders of the world. Like, you see me under the Leaning Tower of Pisa. I don't think that's a wonder. But you see me on and you're like, well, you don't see me actually, but like, it's not a good look. I just.
B
I'm with you on that one.
A
I just feel so much empathy for Jeff that it like lights a fire. And I know that there's all the people that say, like, Jeff's a grown man and he did it himself and like, okay, but like, if that's your best friend, you would still want them to, like, apologize or give you money and pay for your surgeries, or especially when, like, the person who did it is a grillionaire.
B
I think that, for me, would be. The hard part about it is, like, watching just the. The amount of wealth that would be.
A
Like, each one of those Teslas is one of the 12 eye surgeries. Right. It's just like. Like, it's crazy to just take a break and say nothing. I don't know. I don't. I guess just knowing him personally, just knowing, like, the way he was about those vlogs, like, the dirty dom of it all. Like, Jason Nash, like, being, like, just not the best and, like, the. I mean, obviously, I think that the style and format of his vlogs will change so much. Like, there won't be as much putting people under pressure, making people do crazy things. I think he's smarter than that. And now they'll be more wholesome and happy and stuff. And, like, that lesson has been learned. But it is just, like, like, so crazy to just see him back skipping on the Internet. Like, it's just. I don't know why it has me.
B
Like, No, I mean, I know why you're. Because you're a good friend of Jeff, and, like, obviously you have a soft spot. Like, that's completely understandable. That was a horrible thing that happened. So you don't want, like, anybody to be able to just come back and be like, sorry about my break.
A
And it's just so pr. Like, sometimes I just wish people would be more real. Like, it's just like, I wish he would just be like, yeah, I shouldn't have put him on that crane. I shouldn't have told him to do that. I shouldn't have filmed it.
B
It.
A
I would love to pay for these surgeries. Here's me on a Jesus Christ statue, you know, Like. Like, maybe there was something real.
B
Yeah.
A
Like, it just feels so PR and contrived to, like, take this break and then hope that enough people just, like, loved your videos and are nostalgic for them, that, like, they'll care to just, like, keep watching them again and, like, no, I don't know. I do the seven wonders of the world. I'm wondering a lot of things.
B
We're wondering seven wonders.
A
Yeah, I. I have seven wonders. Like, it's just like, oh, my God. And certain people, too, that I don't necessarily. Like, I can like, view their content without disdain and separate the two. I just, like. I don't know. It is just being so close to Jeff and seeing, like, how much he suffered. And I know there are people who, like, pick it all apart and say that Jeff didn't do certain things. Right. And, like, whatever. But it's still just, like, a human being who, like, like, has to keep going back and getting these surgeries and, like. Yeah. For the money to pay for them when, like, the other person is.
B
Of course, if it happened to you, I would. I would literally be screaming from the rooftops, like, get away from the Taj Mahal and go to jail.
A
And it's like, you could do both. I feel like you could cut a check and then go to the Taj Mahal, and it's just.
B
It's not one or the other.
A
And just all those people were Jeff's friend, too, you know? And I think that makes me sad. Like, let's just say in, like, this scenario, like, I would hope, like, if I did something to you like, that, that, like, Paige wouldn't just, like, blindly. Like, I know Paige would be like, that's wrong. You have to pay her. Like, you have to help her. Yeah.
B
The difference is if I. If, like, something like that happened to you at my hands, I would have, like, probably had to die or something by now.
A
No. I mean, no.
B
Just, like, actually, the guilt would eat me alive. That's the only reason. Like, I never want to say, like, I have sympathy in the situation, but, like. Like, the way that I would feel if I did that to somebody, I have to assume that he feels that way as well.
A
You hope. And just knowing his personality, I'm just.
B
Like, you don't think he does?
A
No. And that's like, what? Like, you don't feel guilty. You don't feel sad. You. You just want it to go away. You want people. You want the Trisha's of the world and the me's of the world and the Jeffs of the world to just shut up about it. And you want to sell your Prince street pizza. You know, like, it's like, I sound.
B
Like I'm just like, an apologist right now, and that is not the. The angle I'm going for.
A
And I'm clearly coming in very hot. Like, you're like.
B
Yeah.
A
You're playing a game right now where you're, like, dodging the balls I'm throwing at you. Like, I understand.
B
Well, I just. I don't know. Again, it's more one of those things where it's like, I feel still, like, my cancellation is too fresh for me to come at anybody else's cancellation. You know what I mean?
A
I completely disagree and maybe I'm wrong.
B
Well, you know, how can I hope that people have grace for me if I have no grace for anyone else?
A
That's true. But listen, this is the canceled podcast, right? This isn't like the Horse Girl palooza.
B
You're right.
A
Well, Vicky fakes kidnapping in Nigeria. I know I'm a little late on that topic, and people really don't like that, but. Whoa. Vicky fakes kidnapping in Nigeria.
B
To be honest, I get how that could happen, because I've. I, too, have been in a scenario where I'm not really on the good side of pr, and I'm like, if I just got kidnapped, or, like, okay, you were either gonna start nodding or you weren't.
A
No, but. No, no, but it's just funnier thinking that, like. Like, that almost makes more sense to me. Right? And I've been in situations like that. Okay. I've had men. Like, you know, at my worst heartbreak of my life, I was praying to God for, like, a Sideswipe car accident, you know? Me too.
B
Like, something where I don't get, like, permanently injured, but, like, I go to the hospital and they have to show up.
A
I under. Makes more sense. Whereas it's so funny to me to just think, whoa, Vicky was just, like, bored in the house. In the house, bored. And then she was just like, hey, I'm kidnapped in Nigeria. And then the next day was like, sorry, y'all, I was bored. Like, that's insane.
B
No, to be honest, that's really camp. Like, it's funny.
A
It's just crazy that that was just. I had to just touch on it. I have no, like, nothing to add.
B
I didn't even hear about it, really. No. No.
A
Yeah. Well, Vicky fakes kidnapping in Nigeria.
B
Oh, I'm mixing up. Hold on. Okay. I'm mixing up Bad Baby and Woe Vicky Girl. And I shouldn't, because they are not even similar in any way.
A
I mean, they have, like, you know, the Venn diagram, you know, Whoa.
B
Vicky used to be my neighbor, and she told me I had beautiful skin in the elevator.
A
That's actually. She does give. Really, like, sweet girl. Like, I feel.
B
She was so nice. Sweet energy.
A
But same with Bad Baby. She's sweet.
B
Oh, I'm a Bad Baby super fan.
A
Me, too.
B
But, like, not enough to. Not to. But.
A
Well, Vicky's all God, too, so, like, just the fake kidnapping.
B
Well, Vicky gone Bible.
A
Yeah. It's just crazy. I don't even know.
B
Well, Vicki for sure voted for Trump.
A
Do you want to know the craziest shit circling Back to the fires. But like, I just have to touch on this really quickly. Well, first of all, I have never been more grateful for the screenshot feature and the screen recording feature. I just want to let people know in 2025, like, like, let's talk about ins and outs really quick in actively screenshotting people's stories on your main account to let them know they've done something wrong. Okay. I. I couldn't. My fingers were stuck like this during the fires. With the amount of people posting out of touch. Oh, okay. Like, oh my God, the amount of people in LA.
B
I wish we had a PowerPoint presentation because our group chat at this time. Wait, we don't even have a group chat.
A
The Instagram? Yeah, like everyone. I mean, I want to save it for the canceled awards because I fear that it has its own category at this point. But I'm just off the top of my head. What's her name? Sofia Culpo. Did I make that one up? Sofia Culpo posting a smiling selfie with her boyfriend. Her and her boyfriend smiling. I actually need to find it because I don't want.
B
So nice. And she means well, but the photo was so funny. It's like her and her boyfriend and they're like smiling and they go, had to get out.
A
And she's like, hold on.
B
She's like, I woke up with a bloody nose. Had to get out of there.
A
No, she puts.
B
She puts highly recommend. An air purifier.
A
Highly. Like, I love that.
B
If there was an Amazon link, I was gonna lose it.
A
That's what I was literally just going to say. The only thing missing from that truly was an Amazon affiliate link.
B
It was just the smiling photo.
A
Like, and I do on fire. I do understand that, like things were progressing so fast that maybe something someone posted in the morning by the night time could be like so much more wildly out touch. I saw some pack my evacuation bags with me. I saw selfies with the it's come on and I got it. But I think we save all of this. I Tara's world. What did she post? She posted, thank God Equinox has hot water. It's like, Kim, people are dying. No.
B
Who is the girl? Actually, I know exactly the girl. She put like a. She did a collage and one of the photos was her doing like a thirst trap in front of the fire.
A
Yes. Yes. You made a tick tock about her. That was a good tick tock.
B
And everyone thinks it's about that girl Becca, but it's not.
A
Oh, wow. Khloe Kardashian is doing monetized Snap stories and was just using. Obviously someone runs her snap and like, so many influencers do that and like, make so much money. But like Khloe Kardashian, someone's running her snap and was just repurposing other people's content of the fire, tapping through it with ads like, like Cashing out. Oh. Which is just, just while. Anyways, my whole point of this, like, wraparound tangent was that while I was also just doing that, like, wildly intaking so many things that just blew my mind on people's Instagram stories, it was also a major, like, news source. Like, as things were happening so rapidly in Los Angeles, sometimes people's stories were informing me about, like, ways to donate things to do to help, like, where the fires are going. Like, oh, I live here and this is happening. Or like, watch out for this. Like, it was helping me in a lot of ways too, obviously. And just like, it was so scary how delayed the news would be in comparison to like what people were posting on Instagram and tick tock and stuff too. Like, it just scary times we're in. But anyways, Ledemi posted a story saying that she was in a Waymo driving from like Hollywood to Beverly Hills as the Runyon fires broke out. And due to the power going out, I guess the power went out in her Waymo. And then people in the gridlock were like, getting out of like the cars and the traffic and whatever. And you know how waymos are like, they. They lock so you can't just like get out. And she was stuck in this Waymo for like an hour.
B
Oh, like, absolutely not.
A
What's that movie like, End of the World or whatever?
B
It's Final Destination.
A
That too. But like, how crazy. Stuck in a Waymo. What kind of 2025.
B
That's why I don't really with Waymos, to be honest, because I like, that's just like a recipe for disaster.
A
I like, I was into it at first because I really don't like Uber drivers. You guys know I've had my fair share of stories and I'm just very paranoid. So I love the idea of like no person, but the fact that like people are just getting stuck in them now feels so.
B
It feels like there needs to be some sort of like, bypass the electronic feature because, like, same way, like, have you seen, like, how Teslas aren't like really fully safe because if the power goes out, you can get stuck. Like, the doors won't open.
A
It's just crazy. Like There should be some type of E break and people. There's so many things where people are just coming up and like smashing the.
B
Way those windows ejects you from the car.
A
No. I was so team Waymo for a second there. I was like, we need these.
B
Just give me the creeps because I like, I can't conceptualize the fact that in my head, like self driving cars were at least another 20 years down the line.
A
Yeah, it is just very creepy. But I can't believe she was like stuck in one during the fire.
B
That would be that I would need therapy for that. Like, really crazy. I know I need especially generally speaking.
A
Anyway, but especially people just getting in these gridlocks and having to get out of their cars and like run and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I was just. And I saw that when I was in the Hollywood gridlock and I was just like, oh, my gosh. That's like I was imagining, like, what if I was in a Waymo. I don't know, crazy. I don't think we're ready for that yet as a society, to be honest with you. Okay. I just saw this clip, Brooke, of this old ass television show that Mario Lopez used to host. I guess I have no information on the show other than the clip I saw. Okay. But he's in the car with Kim Kardashian. I guess the premise of the show was taking celebrities to their biggest haters and like, need it's this to go on. It's this clip of this being like, I hate Kim Kardashian. Like, just all these reasons why she hates her. And then Kim walks in. First of all, how humbling. The was in like a yoga class. So she's like in downward facing dog, like, no makeup, sweating. And then Kim walks in and goes, hi, gorgeous. I hear, I hear you're my biggest fan. And the girl was just gagged and like immediately folded, obviously. And like, what if we just had like our biggest hater on the pod kwap or like that woman like this, like, she's 40. She loves talking about the pod. Like, let's just have her on. Let's fly her out like tart island. No.
B
Bless her heart, let her rest. No, honestly, I would do anything. I always say that. Like, I wish like the people who comment on my videos sometimes, or like our videos or whatever, just haters in general. Like, I would do, do anything. I would pay any dollar amount to just see them stand in a line. You know what I mean? Like what? They go to school, they go to Work. Do you think their friends know that they're that miserable?
A
It is so true. It is wild.
B
Like, and I'm not talking about, like, people who just, like, have an opinion. Like, there's people who. You're allowed to have an opinion. I'm talking, like, people who are literally, like, sending dms, like, you should die and kill yourself and. And crow. Yeah, you're fat.
A
But I think that that's just all you can do is feel empathy for those people because it's got to be so Sad.
B
Empathy's out.
A
Out 2025. Empathy. David Dobrik.
B
Be like, I'm totally kidding, but I want to talk about a really humbling experience I had recently. There is a gym. There's quite a few like. Like, social club gyms.
A
Zela Fitness.
B
Yes. That's not the one. But I recently, I was like, you know what? Because I'm, you know, I'm back on my fitness grind. I don't. I know you probably noticed based on my excessive muscle tone.
A
Yes.
B
I am really working out a lot. And I was like, you know what? Let me join a gym. And I was gonna join this gym with my friend because I was like, she's gonna train me. It's like, this whole thing and this gym that I wanted to join, it's like a really, like, really beautiful, nice gym. It's like, you have to apply. Whatever. What is.
A
Where do people get off in la? It's just, like, who. Like, that just feels so, like, Matilda de Jerf coded.
B
Yes.
A
Like, why do people have to apply?
B
Well, because. Because it's like a. It's a membership.
A
Like, I mean, I know. I guess it was like, I knew.
B
How expensive it was, so I was like, obviously, like, if you apply, like, there's a process. You probably have to interview and stuff. But, like, if you can pay for it, like, I'm assuming that you can join.
A
It's just like, what are the qualifications? Like, do I need to show you my cellulite and bank account?
B
It's funny that you ask that.
A
Okay.
B
Because I. So I tell my friend, I'm like, I'm gonna. Let's go to this gym and we'll sign up. And, like, whatever. I've heard so many good things about it. So we go to this gym, I'm in my workout clothes because I'm going to sign up for the gym. I'm going to sign up for the gym, and I'm gonna work out that day.
A
Okay.
B
Because that's what you do. You go to the gym and you sign up. Okay, all right. I walk in there. I go up to the counter. I'm with my friend, and I'm like, hey, we want to sign up. And this at the front literally looks at me like this. I go, hello. Like, I want to sign up. And she goes, goes, you can't sign up. We go, what do you mean you can't sign up? Like, we want to join. She goes, I'm like. And again, I'm giving her the opportunity to tell me, like, no, actually, like, you have to do this. But I'm going, like, is there somebody we can talk to about signing up? She goes, we do it all online. I go, okay. And I'm in house right now. You don't have one person here who.
A
Does, like, bolero flare legging on?
B
I have my Pilates princess outfit on her. You're gonna embarrass me like this? She tells me. She tells me you. She goes, you. You can apply online. And I go, how. Okay, but how long does that take.
A
Him a sweatbands off? Like.
B
She goes.
A
She goes, all right, how do you try Sears? Do you. I'm sorry I keep cutting you off.
B
I go, how long does that take? She goes, up to a month. And by the way, she's being such a To me in the moment that I'm like. I want to be like, you're gonna get nobody to join this gym with this attitude that you have right now. I wanted to be like. Like, first of all, they're the full transparency. They charge, like 600amonth for a membership, okay? Which is just ridiculous. I can't believe I was even considering the thought to begin with. But I'm looking at her like, I'm telling you right now, like, with. With my words, that I'm willing to pay 600amonth, and you're going to tell me that I have to apply and you might accept me, okay?
A
So I'm like, you can try Manjaro.
B
So I'm going. I'm going, what are.
A
What are the.
B
Like, how long does it take? She goes, up to a month. So I go, okay, can I apply here? She goes, no, you have to do it online. So I go, you know what? Actually, ma'am, I'm gonna sit in your lobby, and I'm gonna do it on my phone, and I'm gonna apply right here. Okay?
A
So then.
B
So I do.
A
I don't get it. I go.
B
I go on their website. I. I put in my name, my email, you guys, I swear to God, the application process is Nothing but your name, your email, and your Instagram.
A
I hate all.
B
I. That's it. And I, I. When it was over, I literally, like, I felt like. Like I just got violated because I'm.
A
Like, like, you thought it was gonna be fingerprint.
B
I thought it was gonna. I thought it was gonna be like a social club or they ask you about your profession and what do you do and what do you like to do for fun and like, like, you know, like, who do you know who goes here or whatever it is. Like, where is like a social club? But this was literally just send us your Instagram and it. And so I'm thinking in my head, like, oh, they're just gonna look at my Instagram, decide if they want me in their gym or not, and that's it. And I'll tell you why I'm really mad about it. Because honestly, I wouldn't have even be complaining. Like, I would. You would have never heard a word out of me if I got accepted. But I didn't. I didn't get accepted.
A
I think it's good that you didn't.
B
I didn't.
A
But.
B
But worse than. I just sat there right next to Maddie and we applied at the exact same time and she got accepted and I didn't.
A
That is so awful.
B
But I waited this long because I'm gonna write the lengthiest, craziest review about that dumb at the front. No, I'm not kidding. I'm so mad at her. So. Because just the way that she talked to me, it was so, like, condescending and just like, I literally felt, first of all, just so embarrassed cuz, like, like, oh, my bad for thinking that you can show up to a gym and sign up there. Like, the way that she made me feel, like that was the stupidest thought anyone's ever had in life.
A
All these la. Like, like all of the social clubs really, like, yes, some have more of a purpose than others, but it is to create this, like, feeling of hierarchy. Bring the Lunk Alarm back. Okay. I think we were peak. We were peak society when there was a tanning bed in the lobby of Planet Fitness. They said, come on in, get cancer. And here's the Lunk Alarm.
B
What's the Lunk Alarm?
A
See what I mean, girl? Your priorities. Wrong baskets. Like, I don't know, like, you dropped the weight. And they're like, stop that, fatty.
B
Oh, no, it's. I think it's so that everyone, they have like, a really, like, comfortable policy at Planet Fit Fitness.
A
See, you're already selling it. I Bet they're gonna give you a free year membership right now anyway. The 600 social. No, I'm not.
B
If they accepted me now, I'd be like you guys so much because what did you see that first time on my Instagram that made you deny me to begin with? That is probably because they knew I was gonna do exactly this, that I was gonna sit down on my podcast and talk about it. But honestly, it has nothing to do with the establishment. It's probably a beautiful, wonderful establishment that dumb at the front. I'm not kidding. I will never forget her. No one has ever made me feel so stupid.
A
Well, it's like they need to almost just put at least like a fake question on the like name and Instagram say what?
B
What do you like to do for fun?
A
Yeah, like I would have filled that out.
B
So all they asked me was for my socials.
A
Yeah, like that's like a little diabolical. Like I think they almost just need something to be like, oh well, maybe we're not into people who knit, right? Like, you know, just something else. Like the Instagram check. But it's la and that's the most LA ever, so duh.
B
It was really humbling. I'm gonna, I'm gonna be on it.
A
Yeah, that. That is just crazy. Like to your face and I don't even know. That's wild.
B
But now I'm really lifting. I'm lifting it like a real month.
A
Like, are you gonna lift the weights for me? But then again, like if someone said Ozempic was 600 bucks a month, I'd be like fair price. So it's like, well at least that.
B
Does the job for you. Like What? I pay 600amonth and I still have to show up and do the work like you.
A
Yeah, that's. That is just. Oh my God.
B
I don't know if it's 600, but it's something close to that. It's like something really stupid where it's like, oh, this is rent.
A
Did you see all the people during the fires posting that they were finally community goods? Cuz there was no line.
B
No, like that's this.
A
I don't know why that's like. It's just everything that's lying.
B
The community goods is actually like one of the places that we donated to cuz they did like a huge drive.
A
Wait, that's great. Yeah, I love community goods, honestly. But I just. Everything just. I don't know, being like all this, just the la effication of everything. I can't. I like Want to get out of here? I can't believe I, like, bought a house.
B
I know, but. Well, you know, you can sell the house, but true. I just went to Arizona. I had such a beautiful experience until of. Oh. I didn't even. I haven't even talked about on the podcast. I got norovirus.
A
Yeah. Are you sure?
B
Yes, I. The bed. What do you mean, are you sure? I'm sorry. I just got, like, really passionate in this last, like, 20 minutes.
A
I know. I love this.
B
I went to Arizona and I got back, I got either food poisoning or norovirus. But I've had food poisoning before, and I have never had whatever I just had had before.
A
I don't even know what I would do if I. If I was noro'd up right now. That would be my 13th reason. I'm not gonna hold you.
B
I still. I. I still don't feel completely well. Like, I'm. I'm afraid to eat, I'm afraid to drink because the. The. What I dealt with was so, like, I.
A
Was it like one of those ones? I mean, all my questions are actually bowel movement related. And I don't want to know.
B
We talk too much about ourselves, but I did myself.
A
It is kind of crazy, though. Like, I. I did see today, you were. You were norovirus this, norovirus that. And I kind of was just like, you know what I mean? Like, is this some niche? No, but I didn't know it was like a potential epidemic sitch. Yeah, Like, I saw some news about it today.
B
Like, it's a bug, so it's like, similar to getting food poisoning or something, but it's just like, it was so immediate that I like. Like, I was completely fine. I was mini golfing, and all of a sudden I was like, projectile everywhere. And I just kept worried about the wrong pregnancy test. It was like, oh, my God, like, this is bad news. And then all of a sudden, that was. I was just throwing up at that point. And then as soon as I started myself, it's like, oh, no. And then I. There's like, slightly different symptoms. Like, I was. I couldn't pee. I didn't pee for, like, three days.
A
That's. No, that's enough to, like, send me, but.
B
I know, but I was consuming so much liquid. Of course I was throwing everything up, up.
A
Oh, and that's where it was going. Like, nothing was making it to your kidney. I don't know.
B
I really don't know how that works either. But I wasn't peeing.
A
That's so scary.
B
And you're pregnant, but not out of my urethra.
A
And you weren't preg.
B
No pregnancy.
A
But I think I had a miscarriage, by the way. Something came out of me. But I'll. I'll save it for the Patreon.
B
Okay. Wouldn't. How long until you. You're pregnant?
A
What do you mean? Just for me? Like, my own personal timeline?
B
Yeah.
A
I don't know.
B
I only say I've been very.
A
Like, I just want to be young forever. Like, I've been, like, the idea of. Because even, like, Trisha, they said on Hot Topics or something that she was telling me yesterday. I don't know where they said it or whatever, but someone's prediction was that, like, I'm going to be engaged by the time 2025 is over. And I'm like, oh, I am. But so it's like. Like, I love Moa, and I do want to spend the rest of my life with him. But, like, the idea, it's just, like, getting older. I don't know. And, like, I love getting older in all the other ways. It's just like.
B
I don't think I fear that anymore, but I think maybe I'm gonna be.
A
Like, a married woman.
B
Yeah. Gag this, but gag this. I think you're. You still are very young. I think I'm. I'm just ready. Like, I want to be engaged so.
A
Badly, but, like, the idea of it or, like, for real. And then I'm gonna plan a wedding. Like, ugh. I was trying to plan a trip to Tahoe today, exhausted. Okay. Media retraction on that. But, like, just dead ass. Like, that is. I don't know. It's so wild. I want to move over to the Patreon because I told an innocent person to end their own life the other day. I really have a bone to pick with my neighbors, and I think I had a miscarriage. So.
B
Okay.
A
Those all feel like Patreon topics.
B
Well, canceled. We love you so much. It's stupid.
A
I'm really excited for 2025. I think. Going to be a good year. I'm excited for all the stuff we're going to do with cancelled. I really want to tour again. I'm ready to be messy. I'm hoping this goes over well and I don't get rediscouraged. Like, I just. I'm. I'm ready to be a little messy.
B
I'll tell you one thing I know for sure is that it's not going to go over well.
A
You are actually so right but whatever. I'm still just excited for this year and I'm happy to be back. I mean these past few weeks have been really crazy. I think this year is starting off of very. Everything feels dystopian and weird but yeah, it's nice to just sit and forget about all the weird, crazy things happening in the world and just kiki with the girls and the gays and the they. So we're happy to be back and we love you guys. And yeah, we're filming the canceled podcast awards tomorrow so if this one doesn't go over well, God, that's going to be tough.
B
I mean I'm just ready for it. Whatever, hit me. Honestly hit me where it hurts.
A
We love you guys. Thank you for joining us anybody who is still with us in 2025. We love you so much, much. And yeah, we're going to keep yapping on the Patreon and we love you.
B
Bye.
Cancelled Podcast Episode 108: "WHY TANA DECLINED THE TARTE TRIP"
Release Date: January 27, 2025
In Episode 108 of the Cancelled podcast, co-hosts Tana Mongeau and Brooke Schofield delve deep into a myriad of personal and industry-related topics. This episode captures their candid conversations about recent life events, the evolving landscape of social media, influencer authenticity, and the dramatic decision behind declining the highly publicized Tarte trip. Below is a comprehensive summary highlighting the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from their engaging dialogue.
The episode kicks off with Tana and Brooke expressing their excitement about returning to the podcast after a hiatus.
They reflect on the necessity of taking breaks for mental health and the feeling of being repressed during their time away, eager to reconnect and share more openly.
A significant portion of the episode centers on the recent fires that have ravaged Los Angeles, profoundly affecting both hosts.
Tana shares her harrowing experience of evacuating three times from Las Vegas due to the fires, emphasizing the emotional and physical toll it took on her.
Brooke echoes similar sentiments, expressing gratitude for not being in the most dangerous zones but acknowledging the pervasive fear and uncertainty.
With TikTok being banned, Tana and Brooke explore the ramifications on their personal lives and the broader influencer community.
Tana discusses her struggle to delete TikTok from her phone, highlighting the addictive nature of the platform.
They transition to discussing Instagram Reels, lamenting the algorithmic shifts and the often superficial content it promotes.
The conversation shifts to the authenticity of influencers, questioning the genuineness behind the curated content.
They critique the exaggerated personas some influencers adopt, especially in the fitness and beauty sectors, and discuss the backlash faced by figures like Michaela Jill Miller.
A focal point of the episode is the contentious decision by Tana to decline a trip organized by Tarte, especially amidst the fires.
They analyze Tarte's handling of the situation, acknowledging the company's donations and support during the fires but questioning the timing and planning of the trip.
Brooke adds her perspective on how the trip was more of a PR move than a genuine gesture of support.
Tana and Brooke introspect on their roles within cancel culture, discussing personal growth and the balance between accountability and empathy.
They express a renewed sense of confidence and a desire to be more outspoken, ready to embrace the "Cancelled" brand's original spirit of not giving a f*ck.
The episode also touches upon the complexities of relationships within the influencer community, such as their connections with Jeff Wittek and the ramifications of his actions.
They voice their frustrations with how certain influencers, like David Dobrik, are able to make comebacks despite serious controversies.
Towards the end, both hosts share personal anecdotes about their health struggles, including Brooke’s bout with norovirus and Tana’s miscarriage, highlighting the podcast’s move towards more vulnerable and personal topics.
Brooke (67:25): “I got norovirus. It was so immediate that I like. I was completely fine. I was mini golfing…”
Tana (69:25): “If I was posting what, like Aspen Ovart or Remy Baxter? Love them both.”
In their concluding remarks, Tana and Brooke reveal their excitement for the upcoming year, plans for the podcast, and a hint at future content, emphasizing their readiness to embrace both chaos and camaraderie.
They reaffirm their commitment to their audience, acknowledging the challenges ahead but maintaining optimism.
Personal Resilience: Both Tana and Brooke demonstrate resilience in the face of natural disasters and personal hardships, emphasizing the importance of mental health breaks.
Social Media Evolution: The ban of TikTok has significantly impacted their social media strategies, pushing them to adapt to platforms like Instagram Reels, though not without challenges.
Authenticity in Influencing: There’s a critical examination of the authenticity within the influencer space, questioning the genuineness of curated content and the realness of influencer personas.
Navigating Cancel Culture: The hosts reflect on their personal growth within the confines of cancel culture, expressing a desire to be more outspoken and less concerned with public opinion.
Community and Support: Despite the hardships, there’s a strong sense of community and support among influencers, especially highlighted during evacuation and disaster response efforts.
Future Outlook: Tana and Brooke are optimistic about the future of their podcast and their personal journeys, ready to embrace challenges and continue evolving.
This episode of Cancelled provides a raw and unfiltered glimpse into the lives of two prominent influencers navigating personal crises, the tumultuous world of social media, and the ever-evolving dynamics of cancel culture. Through their heartfelt discussions and shared experiences, Tana Mongeau and Brooke Schofield offer listeners an authentic narrative of growth, resilience, and camaraderie amidst chaos.