123: why the cancelled podcast is ending…

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Cancelled with Tana Mongeau & Brooke Schofield"
Episode 123: Why the Canceled Podcast Is Ending…
Release Date: June 11, 2025

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1. Introduction: Returning Home

In this emotionally charged episode, Tana Mongeau (Speaker A) and Brooke Schofield (Speaker B) welcome listeners back to the "Cancelled" podcast, reflecting on their contrasting experiences while on tour versus being at home. Tana expresses hidden struggles despite outward appearances:

Tana [01:01]: "I've had the worst time since I've been home... I could not keep my mental in order. It's so hard."

Brooke shares a more positive outlook after the tour, yet both acknowledge the complexities of returning to their regular lives.

2. Personal Mental Health Struggles

The hosts delve into their mental health challenges, especially highlighting how being away on tour masked some of the pressures they face:

Brooke [10:01]: "Amari has been watching and he's been telling me, like, this is changing my life."

Tana discusses feeling disconnected despite maintaining routines:

Tana [01:39]: "Technically I am back in my routine, except everything is different."

3. Labubu Gate and Consumerism

A significant portion of the episode addresses the infamous "Labubu Gate," a controversy surrounding a product that became a focal point of drama among influencers. Both Tana and Brooke critique the rampant consumerism and the exaggerated reactions from their audience:

Brooke [14:40]: "It's so crazy, like, people are in stores fighting over these Labubus."

They humorous yet critical discuss how a seemingly trivial product ignited widespread online conflict.

4. Reflecting on Online Drama: Austin and Catherine McBroom

Brooke opens up about her past involvement in online disputes, particularly against Austin McBroom in defense of Catherine McBroom:

Brooke [23:05]: "He is disgusting. There was no part of me that wanted Austin to like me."

Tana echoes these sentiments, expressing unwavering support for Catherine and condemnation of Austin's actions:

Tana [32:28]: "He is disgusting. Once again, he is a piece of."

Both hosts reflect on their previous behaviors, expressing regret and a desire to distance themselves from past online conflicts.

5. The Future of the Canceled Podcast

As the episode progresses, Tana and Brooke contemplate the end of the "Cancelled" podcast. They discuss the toll it has taken on their friendship and mental well-being, considering the need for personal growth and peace:

Brooke [53:20]: "I'm really awaiting the ending of this contract for my peace."

Tana [55:57]: "I think something like this. ... It's about growing."

They acknowledge the necessity of evolving beyond the podcast to explore new avenues and reduce the stress associated with constant public scrutiny.

6. Merchandise, Sponsorships, and Brand Challenges

The hosts touch upon their struggles with merchandise sales and sponsorships, particularly highlighting issues with securing partnerships that align with their personal brands:

Brooke [80:10]: "It's just fueling Chili's. Just take a chance on the girl."

Tana reflects on past sponsorships and the challenges of maintaining brand integrity amidst public expectations:

Tana [84:01]: "They stood on business and they are very serious about their standards because they publicly denounced me."

7. Supporting Fellow Influencers: Alex Earl

A heartfelt segment is dedicated to Alex Earl, an influencer and friend, celebrating his success and authenticity:

Brooke [75:22]: "I love him. I don't want to go on Dancing with the Stars so bad."

Tana [91:16]: "He is a genius. His writing and just his story, like it all being true."

Their admiration underscores the importance of genuine relationships and mutual support within the influencer community.

8. The Impact of Cancel Culture and Online Opinions

Tana and Brooke critique the superficial nature of online outrage, emphasizing how minor criticisms can overshadow significant issues:

Tana [62:36]: "Sometimes when people get canceled for things that are so minor, it takes away from the cancellation of people who really deserve it."

Brooke [64:14]: "It's like, you have to have levels to it... it can feel like desaturating serious issues."

They advocate for a more discerning approach to online criticism, urging listeners to prioritize meaningful discourse over trivial matters.

9. Conclusion: Moving Forward and Seeking Peace

In their closing thoughts, Tana and Brooke reiterate their commitment to personal growth and mental health. They express gratitude for their listeners and reaffirm their desire to end the podcast on a positive note, focusing on future endeavors that align with their evolving identities:

Tana [51:33]: "If we were able to post once every month or something, I don't think we would feel the way that we do now."

Brooke [55:31]: "We're ready for that. I can't wait."

They leave listeners with a sense of closure, marking the end of an era while looking forward to new beginnings.

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Notable Quotes:

• Tana [01:01]: "I've had the worst time since I've been home... I could not keep my mental in order. It's so hard."

• Brooke [14:40]: "It's so crazy, like, people are in stores fighting over these Labubus."

• Brooke [23:05]: "He is disgusting. There was no part of me that wanted Austin to like me."

• Tana [32:28]: "He is disgusting. Once again, he is a piece of."

• Brooke [53:20]: "I'm really awaiting the ending of this contract for my peace."

• Tana [55:57]: "I think something like this. ... It's about growing."

• Brooke [75:22]: "I love him. I don't want to go on Dancing with the Stars so bad."

• Tana [91:16]: "He is a genius. His writing and just his story, like it all being true."

• Tana [62:36]: "Sometimes when people get canceled for things that are so minor, it takes away from the cancellation of people who really deserve it."

• Brooke [64:14]: "It's like, you have to have levels to it... it can feel like desaturating serious issues."

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Final Thoughts:

Episode 123 of "Cancelled" serves as a poignant farewell from Tana Mongeau and Brooke Schofield, encapsulating their journey through fame, personal struggles, and the relentless pressures of maintaining a public persona. By addressing both internal dynamics and external controversies, the hosts provide listeners with an unfiltered glimpse into the realities of influencer life, ultimately choosing to prioritize their well-being over continued public engagement.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hello, and welcome back to the cancelled podcast Insert Eagle Screech here.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I am so happy to be home. And just so. It's so crazy how much this tour gave me, like, a new lease on life.

[A]

We had such opposite experiences. But I'm really happy that you're happy to be home.

[B]

Like, even this studio is like, oh, I miss our little ghost. Like, I miss our little fucking studio. I miss Almajaran. I miss, like, I'm so happy to be here. Crazy. It's.

[A]

I'm happy to be home too. I've been feeling that. Oh, you know what? I'm lying. I'm lying for no reason. I've had the worst time since I've been home. Why the worst time if every single thing in my life stayed exactly the same? Every single out, like, factor, like, what do they call it? Variable was controlled. Okay. Nothing else changed. I could not keep my mental in order. It's so hard. So when I have, like, a million different, like, things changing all the time, I just become, like, haywire, impossible to manage. And I was like, fine on tour, I think, and it was, like, a little bit delayed. But then I got home and, like, technically I am back in my routine, except everything is different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I've been like, oh, everybody's been a victim of me this week.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, what's different?

[A]

Well, my violence level. Yes. But also I took a plan B, so that could be a major factor.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I've never. Or I haven't taken a plan B since, like, college.

[B]

So did you hit a come in me and then regret it happens to the best.

[A]

I have something bad to tell you.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

I have reason to believe that Miles's mom is listening to this podcast.

[B]

I found out Mokoa's grandma listens to this podcast. Do you know how many things I wouldn't have said?

[A]

I know, but good news, honestly, speed this episode up. She said to Miles that she said the reason or like, the reason she can't really listen that well is because we talk too fast.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Keep it going.

[B]

Yeah, that's. No, that's great news. No, Mo's grandma, she watches. She was like recently texting him. Like, I just hope she stops vaping. Like I just want the best for her. And I was like. But I was just thinking about all the other things she's heard. And I was like, I know. I just. I definitely have a different approach because I love her.

[A]

Me too. So I'm a little anxious. So to answer your question, no, I did not hit one of those. It was a freak accident.

[B]

Oh, and tooy too gushy.

[A]

I honestly think I would sooner carry a child all the way through adulthood than take another plan B. I do.

[B]

Get it and it's so wild. Cuz it's plan B to me is similar to alcohol. Whereas like when I was 18, I would equate like a hangover to like a small inconvenience for 20 minutes. I would equate taking a plan B to like eating a purple skittle. And then now like as you're older and you take those things, it's like your body just.

[A]

Do you think it. It's because your body is actually reacting differently or do you think you're now like more in tune with your body.

[B]

Or that there was once. Unfortunately now I'm just thinking about Moko's grandma and I hate this next sentence. Whatever was it.

[A]

You were like used to it.

[B]

Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. We finished each other.

[A]

I think not supposed to take more than like a two sentences. I don't think you're supposed to take more than two in a year.

[B]

Yeah, no, I heard that a lot.

[A]

What was it?

[B]

But I mean, I'm alive, so that's good.

[A]

Yeah. Anyway, you know that what I used to do in college.

[B]

What?

[A]

Cuz I was poor, I would take five birth control pills at one time. Instead of a plan B.

[B]

You can also take 30 vitamin Cs at one time. No one do that. No one do that.

[A]

I took too many gummy vitamins one time and I got warts. And you know what? I don't talk about that enough. But I used to have a thumb. My whole right thumb was covered top to bottom in warts.

[B]

You really don't like, don't talk about that.

[A]

I've actually never talked about that.

[B]

Yeah, like damn. What do you. It was giving Froggy McGee.

[A]

Yeah, my whole right thumb. And I was, I was so anxious that I would just take them off.

[B]

I could never be a wart girly because I would be like, no, I'm gonna remove this right now. Like doctor, doctor.

[A]

Because you can. And it doesn't really Hurt. But it was dark and I had to have them all frozen off.

[B]

Oh, my God. But is that. What is that like, like, what's in the freeze?

[A]

Liquid nitrogen.

[B]

Oh, that's kind of cool.

[A]

I had my pre novo scan today.

[B]

Oh, my God. How did that go? Wait, can we promote the merch before? Yes, in case people are clicking off. No, I don't think they are. I hope they're not. But we have our new merch drop. We have our new merch drop on. These shirts are so cute. I'm on the way here. I'm on the phone cussing out a technician eating chicken in a bowl with sriracha in a moving vehicle. While cussing someone out. I got sriracha all over my baby tea and had to use a shout wipe. So that's. I think, stains not included. I hope you can't tell. That's why I've had my sunglasses here. But this is literally. And first of all, it is just crazy. The new lease on life. Like, normally I'd be so upset about my house. Someone came today and they up all my, like, gates and doors. Like, everything is electronic to get in. And they just left with all of it off. I have no way to get back in after this. And they're like, we'll come back next week. I'm like, I can't enter my house. Like, what do you mean? But, like, again, my new lease on life. I'm like, it happens. Oh, like, it's so strange. It is.

[A]

But I love the colors. You look so cute in baby blue. That's your. That's like, my saddest thing about not being blonde anymore is I can't really wear baby blue.

[B]

But you look so good in brown and pink. So it's, like, perfect that there's one for each of us. And then we have these hats they say locally hated.

[A]

And that I am.

[B]

We were back and forth on local celebrity or locally hated. And I'm gonna be honest with you. If I could go back in time, I would pick local celebrity. I just think I was in, like.

[A]

Really, If I got. If I had a local celebrity hat, I don't know if I would wear it because I'd be, like, embarrassed. I feel like people would take me seriously.

[B]

Yeah. Like, who do you think you are? And it's the nicest material that you could stain galore, which I'm obsessed with, clearly, because I have a staining problem. And then I have these for you to open up. Oh, fun little gift.

[A]

What do they say? Canceled podcast. Nice Little silk.

[B]

Yeah, they come in this little silk bag. We have thongs. I have not released thongs, Tony Onis since my dizzy and my scandalous days. And I'm so excited. There's a camo thong.

[A]

This is appearing to be very high waisted.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's. We might have to do a second drop with your gussets. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Well, it's very micro.

[A]

I think this is a wide enough gusset for me. I know, actually.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I have a really extreme. But they're so with you problem.

[B]

And I feel like the Y2K bodies will want to do them above a pair of pants. I know I will at some point, but they say canceled and cursive. And there's a camo white and a.

[A]

Oh, the camo is everything.

[B]

The camo is so cute. I wanted to, like, do a whole photo shoot where we were on horses in these, but I was like, we don't have the time, like, at all. And, like, I would be falling off the horse and then you'd be slaying.

[A]

Down in my chonies. I don't think so.

[B]

I did that once. I did a nude photo shoot on a horse.

[A]

And remember that? It was gorgeous, though.

[B]

It was. I had to get blacked out, though, to be able to even get on the horse. And Hunter was livid. Happens.

[A]

Well, I love them. I'm so excited. This is. Honestly, this might be one of my favorite merch drops.

[B]

The.

[A]

The yap set is my a, like, actual favorite.

[B]

Yeah. And we're doing that in more colors soon too. Like some. I think we have like, a pink and a Heather gray O. I'm excited for Heather Gray. I love tour, but I love this drop too, because it's just very, like, you can wear it every day. And we haven't done a lot of baby teas, so I'm excited and I love them.

[A]

I live in a baby tea.

[B]

I know. And this camo hat. I was wearing another camo hat so often that I was like, I am, like, actually missing out if this isn't my own brand. Like, so I just had to, like, make ours perfect. Tell me about your pruvo.

[A]

Oh, I got my pruvo scan today. I talked about it in another PO or another episode, but it's like the full body mri. So I went in and it's. I had to spend an hour in there. Okay. I wasn't expecting that.

[B]

Is it claustrophobic?

[A]

It is. And they told me beforehand that I could take a sedative if I needed to. But I knew I was going to have to come here after, so I was like, I can't sedate myself.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

I know. It was fine. But it was. It was fine. They asked me what I wanted to watch, though. Okay. And how it works. It's obviously like a huge MRI machine, but they have. You have, like, this thing in front of you. It's a mirror, and the mirror faces the back wall where whatever you watch is projected onto the wall, like, the whole wall. Okay. And so I was already watching TikToks, like, other people's pernuvo tick tocks. And I saw someone say, like, oh, yeah, I just watched, like, two episodes of Sex in the City and it was over. So I just told them Sex and City. I was like, perfect. They said, what episode? I don't care. I don't care. Choose whatever episode you want when I tell you I picked the raunchiest, most graphic episodes of all time, or he picked them. But I'm like, the whole time in the MRI machine, I'm not supposed to move. And I'm just thinking, oh, my God, they're having sex on. On a giant projector. And it's just me and this guy in here.

[B]

Which episode? Like, who was doing what?

[A]

It was politically. It's where Carrie's dating, like, the. The politician and he wants her to pee on him.

[B]

Brooke. That's arguably, like, the raunchiest.

[A]

Yeah. And then Miranda, when she's, like, masturbating. It's like a whole. It was so bad.

[B]

That is so funny.

[A]

And they were, like, in a sauna, and it's just, like, 50 nude girls. I was like, I never see this much nudity on Sex in the City.

[B]

You probably, like, made his day, though, like, low key. He was probably, like.

[A]

It's like, he was probably into the show, honestly. Yeah, but.

[B]

And we love putting men on to Sex in the City.

[A]

It's the best show, honestly, ever. I learned more from Sex in the City than, like, any other show I've ever watched.

[B]

I know you really, like, on tour. I was doing an interview and someone asked me about that, and I was thinking about how much Sex in the City, like, changed my entire view on, like, girlhood and, like, how important your girl friendships are, like, in your life.

[A]

I agree. It also taught me a lot about, like, your clock. Because, like, everybody in the beginning seasons of Sex in the City, they're all, like, in their mid-30s.

[B]

Yeah. That's so true. That, like, life doesn't end when your 20s are over and they're like such a good example. It really is. I'm about to start Grey's Anatomy and I'm really excited.

[A]

Oh my God. Buckle ups.

[B]

I know you will it.

[A]

I'm. The amount of times I've told you it will change your life and you just never actually start watching.

[B]

Amari has been watching and he's been telling me, like, this is changing my life. And I'm like, damn. Everyone says that I have to watch it.

[A]

It was. Oh my God. It's the best thing.

[B]

I literally cannot wait, but I'm gonna wait.

[A]

Like there's a time. It's one of those shows that's been on for so long that like, you will get fatigued eventually. But like the first 10 seasons, I can't wait.

[B]

I think I'm gonna love it. I'm waiting till we're back from tour cuz I don't think I need to. It's so funny. I was like editing the Manchester episode today and I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm so depressed. Like, I have no idea why. Like, even on tour at one point, BB Just turned to me and was like, tana, you're so depressed. And I'm like on tour and I'm convincing myself like, I need Zoloft. I need Wildbutrin. Like, I am chemically down bad. And then I was home for like seven days and I just like had this moment where I was like, in my pool and like had my friend group around and like, was just like back in like my life and I was like doing backflips and I've had like, more energy and I was like, damn, it sucks that I was like so situationally depressed on this last tour. And I'm like, really fudgeing hoping that Australia. I don't feel that way. Like, I'm just. Because it's so wild that like, I feel like a completely different person than I did in that episode. That literally is the last episode.

[A]

Well, I'm happy you feel better. Jeez. No, it makes me sad that you feel like that on tour and.

[B]

And I don't like that.

[A]

When I was like, kind of trying to get across when I was like accidentally shading you for staying home. But like, I really think that it just. I think that was like the real difference in our experiences. Not to say like you had to go out or do anything, but I just think like, had you been able to or had you like, had the energy for it or wanted to do it, it would have changed the experience a little bit in. Just in that, like even at that hotel room point.

[B]

At that point, truly I was more just like staying in and working. We hadn't been on tour like a long time. But it's funny because a lot of the things that you were kind of saying to me ended up like manifesting much more like I did because at that point I was like, okay, but I just don't know. I don't know what it is. Like my soul was just like. And I don't ever normally feel like that on tour. And I don't know if it was just bus. Us being close to home. I feel fine. Like. And it was just like the flying or like going perfect storm.

[A]

Like a combination of all the things.

[B]

I think it was. I really do. And just like. Yeah, like I don't know my energy and like, I don't know what it was. Like even. Just like I'm wondering if I had like Amari there or something. Even like how you and bb. Cuz Paige was obviously working too and it wasn't like, yeah, well, major stress source.

[A]

And she knows it. Bless her heart. I love her so much.

[B]

It's. Oh my God, it's. And she's. Do we talk about BB or.

[A]

No. Oh, BB's fired. She knows she's fired.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, her. Her girlfriend.

[B]

Oh no. Well, I meant like just like your guys's Laura. I was just happy that it was a gate that I was not a part of.

[A]

And like, no, it was never like a real fight. We just, we. We learned that Bibi's not supposed to be an assistant.

[B]

Yeah. And just like for your stress sake too. Like, you know, it's crazy and it's like. It's just. I think it did all like start with the Labubus, which is so funny because I like cannot even fucking ever look at a labubu the same again. Like I don't think we're going to air it, but like labubu gate happened. And like of course I was kind of on the outside of the boo boo gate so I was like wanting to know more and like this is funny for content, but it was a real ass gate end up.

[A]

Yeah, we actually had to like stop in the middle of the episode to like, like we were fighting. But I think labubus were like, were the jorts of this scenario where like I was targeting my like my frustration into this like particular topic that had nothing to do with the actual issue at hand.

[B]

I know. And it's like funny because I'm learning that that's just, like, you'll do that. You know what I mean? But, like, Labubus and jorts, like, it couldn't be there. There' funnier than, like, labubus and jorts.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And now they're all over my timeline, and they just. It's funny, too, even, because, like, Labuu gate really did stretch across, like, weeks of tour. Like, there was a lot of animosity about these Labubus between mainly you and Bibi, but then Paige was kind of dragged in, and then I'm, like, kind of. I'm egging it on because I think it's funny. Like, we're all involved. And I came home, and Ashley, Mario, and Isabella had a whole tray for me of stuff. And at the top of the tray was just a Labubu. And I was like, this is so hilariously poetic that I came home and it's, like, all my best friends, and there's, like, just, like, one singular Labubu in the middle of my bed. And I was just like, little do you know?

[A]

They're just so cute.

[B]

They are so cute, but just so funny. And I.

[A]

They got banned. They're, like, banned in certain countries because.

[B]

Because of people fighting?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Because they're. They're like. They're from where the wild things are. I don't know, like, the actual background of. Of the Labubu character, but it's supposed to be, like, a demonic thing.

[B]

It's so crazy, like, how far consumerism has gone. Like, people are in stores fighting over these Labubus.

[A]

Dude, one $6 billion. China's something.

[B]

Something like, their economy is made from. Yeah. And even just. I was on Tick Tock Shop the other day, and every single thing was Labubu outfits. Labubu cases, Labubu.

[A]

Jazzy, my old roommate, has a whole Labubu store.

[B]

I know. I've been, like, trying to figure out how the. I can capitalize on this. I'm like, I'm about to have a falulu.

[A]

No, I'm always too late to the party. I think the time has already passed.

[B]

I don't know, though, if, like, bag charms are gonna go away.

[A]

They're not. But bag charms have been here long before Labu boos.

[B]

I know, but now it's just so different. I feel like there's this, like, societal, social status. Need to have a fuzzy character from your bag, you know?

[A]

It's so funny is I had to stop myself from buying, like, a 700 bag charm recently because just because of Labubu Gate had me so fired up, I was like, oh, I have to get this one. That's like, way better.

[B]

This Fendi Labubu.

[A]

You know, I didn't buy it. I thought better of it and I was so proud of myself. And then I watched your vlog and you did.

[B]

Oh, the mew mew fucking. Can I be honest with you, though? Like, so many purchases I made that I did not need to make. I was just shopping, was bringing me serotonin and I was really leaning in and like, I'm home now and I'm like, I'm not buying a purse for 10 years. Like, I have so many.

[A]

Well, don't tell me that, because I just discovered the real real and it's been fudgeing and real bad.

[B]

No, it's just. Oh, my God. I couldn't. I have. I need to stop with the pop. Like, every night I'm on Depop, just scrolling.

[A]

Can't get into Depop, but it's like, again, it's one of those things. It's like picking cigarettes on purpose. Like, I don't want to get.

[B]

No, it's. And I'm like, in a just, like, bidding war for, like, Jimmy Choo shoes that I, like, do not need. Like, it's just like. It's ridiculous. It really is. Spring is in Full bloom on DraftKings casino. New offers and promos are sprouting up daily. Right now, new players can play five bucks on anything and get 350 casino spins instantly on a featured slot game download. Download the app and sign up with code cancelled. Take the featured slot for a spin and explore thousands of others in the DraftKings game library. Check back daily to claim the hottest offers and promos on DraftKings Casino. The crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-78-97777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly. 21/physically present in Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Connecticut and Ontario, eligibility restrictions apply. New customers only. Casino spins valid for featured game only and expire in 168 hours. See [e-mail] promos. Ends June 15, 2025 at 11:59pm Eastern Time. Thank you, DraftKings Casino, for sponsoring today's episode of the canceled podcast. But speaking of. Well, let me not say speaking of ridiculous, we have a lot to cover. I mean, first of all, I'm just laughing so hard because Our last episode being the Manchester one, me watching it today, we talk about how cute and wholesome Cardi B and Stefan Diggs are. Since that is coming out. There's all new lore there. I'll educate you on that. I'm talking about how Ari Kitsia and Young Gravy, like, are definitely a PR stunt. I've since spoken to them. They're not a PR stunt. They're a happy couple.

[A]

It's like, damn too.

[B]

And then we were talking about Catherine and Austin McBroom from the outside of the situation. And I am now on the inside. I was gonna originally just address this on TikTok because I was like, it's quick. It's just I was mentioned in the interview for a second. I can easily, like, clear this up. And then I got all of my facts straight. I. I cited some sources. I, you know, you. And I started talking about it and I was like, damn, like, I'm not gonna make a ten minute tick tock. I should just. And I am getting like a lot of comments about it. Like, people are really up in arms at me and I'm like, I don't know, it's just wild because I feel like I accredit a lot of my stress and I guess lack of peace in a lot of ways. To canceled, right? Like to just like every week it being something new, whether it's you or it's me or it's whatever and it's the things we talk about. But then I have to remember that there will always be a week where I'm choosing peace. It has nothing to do with canceled. And there's going to be an Alex Cooper interview about something I said four years ago. And like, in a way, it's like I'm grateful for cancel to have a place to then, like, address it, obviously. First of all, Alex Cooper starts off by reading her card and saying, Tana Mongeau recently said. And I'm like, who wrote that recently? It's crazy. Like, it was so long ago. And I did. I talked about this time with like a lipstick and Austin McBroom cheating and all of these things, right? And I actually, I had to start my day yesterday in 2025 by calling Jake Paul, which is just so funny. Like, it was not on my bingo card. And I was just like, can you refresh me on this time period? Like, I don't really remember. I was like. Like, I don't even think I was 21 yet. So this was like damn near like five or six years ago. You were that? No, because I.

[A]

You lived at. At the Hype or the Clout house?

[B]

No, I didn't. No. When I made the Tick Tock, I did, but the in the Tick Tock I'm talking about happened when it happened. I'm talking about a time period of when I. Like, like years prior. Like, this actually probably happened like five or six years ago. And so, I mean, essentially, like, just to go back on the whole story, I was never close with Austin or Katherine McBroom. And I only had ever met them through Jake. And like, we did one collab with them and we, like, went to their house and we, like, whatever. And like, obviously being close with Jake, I would hear a lot of lore about Austin and the things he was doing. And also, like, this was. And you can attest to this obviously circulating all around la. Like, everyone knew at that time how much of a piece of shit Austin McBroom was. Or just like, that's how people felt. And it would go around. And I mean, someone could detest me on saying this, but, like, I. I even at that time with the lip liner, was under a 100% impression due to situational things, things I hear people close to her, Jake's relationship with Austin, all of it that she was fully aware of him cheating on her. And even when I would see her in passing, I would always kind of crack jokes like, girl, you deserve better. Or like, you don't. Like, I would just, you know, me and my sense of humor. Like, I would be kind of deprecating to Austin when I would see, therefore, telling Catherine kind of how I felt and like, whatever. And I don't know if she ever liked me. I don't know. And like, anytime we would see them, she did just kind of seem very, like, disconnected and not interested, which also led me to believe that she was aware of the things that were happening and like, whatever. And there's so much, like, timeline shit that I could do here, but, like, whatever time passes on. And then Austin McBroom is beefing with Bryce hall, and I'm Team Bryce. On, God, I'm saying that I'm team Bryce. And then Austin McBroom starts coming at me. I don't even remember why he was coming at me, but he was coming at me. And then that's what incited me to make this TikTok. And at this point, I am living in the clout house. And like everyone, this is like when the nanny situations had already happened. Like, everything, like, even like Cole Kerrigan and everything that happened where he yeah.

[A]

Which has now been. She. She said that she got validation that that's true, by the way.

[B]

I don't know that whole situation. I just know that. And again, my memory is so hazy from this time of my life, so I don't. I hate speaking anything like, so definitively, but I'm pretty sure Cole got paid, like, yeah, and like, allegedly. So then once again, it's like, she knew according, like, to how I felt and to everything. And her and I were not friends at all. I didn't have her phone number. I didn't have anything. You know what I mean? And so Austin's poking the bear, and I'm in a very different era where I am just confrontational and insane online. And he's saying crazy shit to me and about me, to everyone. And I make this Tik Tok. And I do think that I probably would make the tik tok today. But, like, also, that was Team Bryce on God, the era. And it. It lines up and it perfectly checks out. But I hate that people are taking this as, like, you're not a girls girl, because it's like, where the do I get off protecting Austin McBroom? I would sooner die. Like, I've always said that I. He is disgusting. There was no part of me that wanted Austin to like me. There's no part of me that was trying to keep anything from Catherine. There's no part of me I would sooner die. Like you've seen. Even just. Just even after this, I will continue to ride for her and her happiness and always have said, like, that she deserves better than that man. And just like he is, especially at that time, was such a diabolical human being to her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, to think that I would ever try to protect Austin, it's just like, I guess obviously it's her fans coming to me and they're mad and whatever. I feel like my fans know there's never been a day in my life that I even remotely support Austin McBroom over. So even behind closed doors, like, I would sooner die, my ears are getting hot. Even thinking about supporting Austin, like, I just. And like, truly, I knew so much behind the scenes of other girls reaching out and stories I would hear around LA that I think I was in a mindset at that time and always where I was like, I don't think me reaching. And maybe this isn't true and maybe I was wrong for this mindset at the time, but I don't think me reaching out would have done anything because I Knew so many people that had. And I knew what the responses looked like back. And I knew that she was aware of these things that people were saying and still kind of. And that's not me shaming her for not leaving sooner. Like, you have to. That's such a hard, layered situation. Like, I don't. I think she left in her own time and devising an exit plan away from him, money and Ace family and all that had. I can't even imagine how hard that was. Like, I'm just saying, I truly at that time felt like she knew and.

[A]

That, like, it was just kind of like, everybody knows. We all know. And yes, it was like a tick tock, obviously to dig at him. I. I understand obviously, both sides of it because, like, she was like caught in the crossfire. You know what I mean? Like, it was like something that was supposed to be negative to him that she ended up like, I don't know, feeling embarrassed by.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

What did I. Like, she said in the Call her Daddy like, episode, she said, I wish she just brought it to me. And that's like, like kind of what you just said. But like, I feel like he would have been able to manipulate her into thinking that that was.

[B]

And I'd seen him do that with a million other situations. And I don't have this girl's phone number. And like, again, from everything that I've seen, even with the Cole stuff, everything, like, I've seen her responses before, I didn't think I would make a dent. And so I'm just like, I think that if I went back in time, I don't know, I mean, I would probably do things pretty similarly. But I do see now how it's like, I was gonna say, like. Like I don't know if anyone as big as me had spoken out about him being a cheater up until like, my tick tock. But then again, now I'm remembering things and people had been speaking out and it had been going viral. So it wasn't like I was breaking news either. And it's just like, maybe it's hard.

[A]

Sometimes for me to get an understanding of, like, what the. The general consensus is, because our bubble is like, so.

[B]

And that's why I called Jake, because I was like, can you walk me through this time? And he was very much like, dude, everyone knew. Like, everyone knew.

[A]

I was. I don't even think he was attempting to be secretive about it. I feel like I've talked about this openly, but I would go to Hyde and he would be like, making out with girls at high. Like, and when I was that long ago, this was 2021. 2020.

[B]

Like, and when I say everyone knew, I'm also not saying everyone knew and she didn't. I'm saying like, people were reaching out to her and she was responding and saying certain things. Like, you know what I mean?

[A]

It's, it's so been there though. Like, the person who's like just blindly delusionally believing the man because 100 person you love, it's the father of her children.

[B]

And that's. I, like, I'm with you on that. I'm not like, I can't stress this enough. I'm not placing any blame on her. I'm just like clearing my name in the regard that I would never protect a man over a woman.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, that is the thing. Like, and again, the way she has handled everything is with grace. She is beauty. She is grace. She is Miss American Race. And I ride for her whether and if she does, she doesn't want to like me for that. Like, I completely understand and respect that. Like, I'm not searching for anything here, but like, there's not a part of me that would not be girls girl in the Katherine McBroom situation. Like, I'm not siding with Austin McBroom and that's just like point blank period.

[A]

Had you known or like, had you had any concept of like, oh, maybe she's doesn't know this. I don't think you would have ever made that 100.

[B]

Or if I thought it was like this new, like, if I thought I was the fish on spongebob saying breaking news, A, I wouldn't have done it and B, had I not collected so much information over so many years about all of the different horrible things he'd done and her responding to them and just different things. Like, you know what I mean? I would have maybe thought of myself as someone who should need to go tell her first. Like, but I, I, that wasn't my role in that situation. And once again, he was picking a fight with me and that was just me being petty. Team Bryce on God era the biggest.

[A]

Attack on his character is like, how he, how horrible he was in his marriage. Because it's like, obviously it's a two person.

[B]

Yeah. 100 and that's, and even then I was making that in like, a, we ride it dawn for Catherine. Like, you, you know what I mean? And it's just like, he's just so nasty.

[A]

It's so disgusting. Like, I mean, so I hate that you were Even a topic at all. Because had you're not betting, feel like we would have already just been, like, so in on.

[B]

Like, this is the ripping into, like, how crazy it is. I know.

[A]

I'm so hot. Like, it makes me so happy to see her just, like, fully going full.

[B]

I know. And, like, writing this book and just, like, looking so beautiful and free and light and, like, being like, yeah, that's laughing.

[A]

Like, she has, like, a sparkle in her eye again. Like, the poor girl was, like, a hostage.

[B]

That story about maybe her taking her kid. No, but, like, dead ass. Like, and I can't. I truly think that so many people, including myself, even, like, you're in that ace family situation. Like, that is so layered and hard. You own a house, you have kids. You're filming it to walk away. You want to show face for the kids. You there. That is so you love this person. Like, the story she was telling about taking the kid to get a haircut and then she, like, grabs the phone and cameras are on her and people. Like, that is, like, genuinely, like, movie level nuts. And even just, like, again, we were saying this in the last episode, but how diabolical it was that he was also, like, like, forming emotional relationships and, like, all of the things he was doing was, like, level 10 diabolical. He's.

[A]

He's just disgusting. And it sucks because, like, people like that never change. Like, he will be that despicable, disgusting a human being for the rest of his life. And you know what? That sucks for him. But she's free, and I'm so happy for her. I will say he can literally kick rocks for the way he's. He.

[B]

The fact that he said, like he.

[A]

Said on my daughter's birthday, like, yeah, your wife was pregnant when you were out hooking up with a hundred girls, you dirty idiot.

[B]

You piece of. Like, actually and like, even just also him saying, you want to get your bag about her doing this, like, call her daddy.

[A]

First of all is if, like, you don't make money on call her daddy, you go on call her daddy to tell your story. Like, that's just. That's just it. Also, Catherine doesn't need money. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like, it is. That is so crazy to even now, like, demean her finally speaking up about her truth. Yeah, she just like it to, like.

[A]

Oh, she just wants attention or money or whatever. Like, like, oh, my God. I just. I just.

[B]

And like, how are you actually, actually ever going to say that someone just wants attention when you're Austin McBroom and you're like in an RV outside of the house on Snapchat, hiring, like, flamenco dancers to come be in your RV for the thumbnail. Like, you want to talk about wanting money and attention? Like, that is so crazy.

[A]

Like, oh, my God, if I ever see that guy, it's on site.

[B]

I know.

[A]

What else did you say that was like, so. I don't know. I just.

[B]

The paparazzi is still, in fact Team Bryce. Well, not Team Brace. Yeah, it's Team, not us. Let me shut the up. It's a true testament to digital footprint, though. Like, as much as I am in my peace era, like, I did do so much crazy and I'm doing my best to just navigate it now, but it's so wild how far I am from the Team Bryce on God girl that I once was. And just like, yeah, it's not just canceled, baby. Like, you're. You've got 10 years on canceled. And it's, you know, it's just. It's funny. But.

[A]

Well, ten years from now, we're gonna have to undo things we're saying today in this moment.

[B]

It's so true. It is just like a forever game. And I totally, like, even I, like, was gonna have a panic attack about all of this, like, the night before, because I saw it, like, the night, and I was just like, just go to bed. Like, you know how this goes. You're gonna receive some hate from the Ace family and, like, deservedly so. And, like, it's gonna be okay. And, like, you know your truth. And my truth is that, like, from the moment that I met her, we've never been close or anything like that. But, like, I'm rooting for her from afar and still am, regardless of all of this. Like, it's just like, she deserves nothing but peace and happiness and, like, it. Even though it all is kind of coming out now, like I said, this has been something that we have known about and has been happening around Los Angeles. And so many girls that we know have so many roles in this fucked up. Or girls that we knew, I should say, in this fucked up mess. And it's been like six or seven years of. Of hearing whispers about all of this. And it's good that it's finally coming out of her mouth that, like, he is a piece of. And she is healed from it. Because it really was like, that was even just in the few times that we went there. It was like she just. He was sucking the light out of her and. Yeah, so sad.

[A]

He doesn't have the opportunity to take another Year off her life. Because, yeah, she's free.

[B]

Yeah. And just like all of it. Yeah. Just like free to do whatever the she wants. And I can't even. I just like thinking about it all. It is so nuts. I like what she had to go through in silence for so long.

[A]

I think genuinely, like, I wholeheartedly believe that cheating should be punishable by law.

[B]

I think I just saw a TikTok, but it might've been misinformation that's like becoming a thing.

[A]

I did see a TikTok, but you know, us, you know, just saying shit. But I do think, like, just because, like, I think first of all, if somebody cheats on me, just the emotional turmoil as it is, like, I should be able to sue for that. But then like, what I do as a result of that emotional turmoil. And she did handle all with injuring the people. And that's your fault, not mine.

[B]

Isn't that nuts too, that she handled all of this with like, beauty and grace? Because I'm really thinking about, like, oh, my God, the fucking level 10 arson level crash out that I would have if. And she just. They just attest to, like, numb by.

[A]

The time it happened, you know, like that. But she said that they hadn't like, had sex in like four years. Like, I don't think she. No one wanted to be with that man. Okay. And no one will ever want to be with that man.

[B]

And. But even just the. I can't imagine too just beside the pain of someone that you love hurting you. The financial llc, property image, PR channel owning nightmare that it also was to separate from like, such a person that, like, has broken your heart and like, shown you, like, true evil and kids, children. I think cheating should 100 be punishable by law. Once you have a kid with that person and you're married to them, it's like, are you. And it's just so sad. It's so sad that he can't take any accountability.

[A]

He. Oh, that's what it was. He posted a thing. He was like, I was gonna get on the mic, but then I remembered the number one thing in my life is my kids, like, saying, like, he doesn't want their kid, like, the kids to grow up and see this. Like, you mean the consequences of your own actions. You don't want your kids to grow up and see what you did. Oh, no.

[B]

And also, like, like, I'm sure there are family vloggers out there that do everything 1000% ethically. And I do not have the knowledge on if Catherine or Austin did everything 1000. I don't know. You know what I mean? But to. To go and be like, my kids. My kids. What about when you were, like, filming them every second of every single day.

[A]

Their money on a jet.

[B]

Yeah. And allegedly, I don't know if he was, like, forcing them to turn on for the camera or anything like that. I'll never know that. You know what I mean? But, like, like, you can't ride the ethical. My kids high ground when, like, your kids were your clickbait for, like. Like, like, you going on the mic, like, and that being the worst thing ever.

[A]

What really bothers me about that is that he. In doing that, he's suggesting that Catherine is not prioritizing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, she doesn't care what they hear or, like.

[B]

And also, where was your thought about your kids when you're like, it was hurting their mom.

[A]

Like, absent. He has no. There's no thoughts. Like, don't tell me you have thoughts. Nuts.

[B]

Yeah. That's so.

[A]

Oh, my God, it gets me so. Oh. Oh, I hate that, man. I think. I mean, obviously family blogging is, like, a way bigger issue, but I think that no person should be able to actually get. Have access to money that was made off of kids. I feel like if you want a family vlog, do it. Money goes to the kid at 18.

[B]

And obviously, also, it's not like he. Like, he was buying supercars left and right. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's just like.

[A]

Like, Elle has a Lamborghini.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's yellow. And he's cheating in his bright yellow Lamborghini. Like, we see you.

[B]

Yeah. It's just, like, so sad. And, like. Yeah. I just can't stress enough that I have and always will be Team Catherine. Like, and any. Honestly, I just can't even fathom that there's even one person out there that is Team Austin. And, like, I mean, that's how I.

[A]

Know mental illness is still a very prevalent issue in our country. Country.

[B]

And that's obviously why I was ever, quote, unquote, Team Bryce. Because I was looking at two people, Bryce hall and Austin McBroom, and I could actively say this one is much worse. Like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Just, like, not saying something.

[B]

Like, it's just, like, it's. It's so nutty. Truly just nutty. And, like, I just wish nothing but the best and peace for Catherine. And just if anything I did at all cost her anything, Like, I just. It makes me sad because that was never my intention. And, like, I. Yeah.

[A]

We love her, we support her 100%. And death to Austin, seriously.

[B]

And I do just want to say, like, to Katherine, it's like, if I ever did anything that made you feel like I was in defense of Austin in any way, I'm so sorry. And obviously just who I was at that time and in my mindset and how flippant these videos and tiktoks and beefs and things like, were to me. I don't think I thought it all all the way through, like, properly. And I'm so sorry for that. It's just like at the time in my mind, I was so clear Austin and like, was just like, I don't even know like, what. Where my head was at at that time. It's just like I assumed that Catherine thought I was riding for her, but it's like, Tana, like there's, there's a better way to be riding for her and a better way to attack Austin for being like a piece of and whatever.

[A]

And I understand, like, in the moment though, like, it's hard to differentiate between like big youtuber drama like tea and like, oh, this is like a real married couple.

[B]

And I couldn't at all, like, that was like post Jake Paul era, living in the hype house. Like everything I say it all the time. I was just like a clout dem and I was hitting post on everything. And it's like crazy to think how differently I would just handle everything I did at that time in my life now. And I just like, oh my God, it breaks my heart for Catherine to ever think anything other than the fact that I was nothing but writing for her. You know what I mean? Cause it's like from the literal moment that I met them, it's like, fuck this guy and I hope this girl deserves better. It makes me sad. And yeah, I just want her to know that I was definitely lost in my beef with him. And like, yeah, I guess just like talking about things that I 100% was viewing as public knowledge and like, not fully accounting for the fact that like, even if she is being silent or has responded to DMs and was aware of things that were happening that like, that could still add fuel to the fire and hurt your feelings. And just like obviously seeing this tick tock of like Tana Mongeau just like saying this is like, it's not helping that situation. And it's just like, it's. It attests to like, who I was and how I was at that time. And just like that entire team, Bryce Clout like that. You hit the nail on the head. It's like, it was so hard for me at that time, I think, to differentiate YouTube, online drama, and, like, people are still people, even just, like, after all that wedding stuff.

[A]

Real people, real family. Like, no one's really thinking about that when they see Ace family now. I am.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can personify them.

[B]

100.

[A]

Nasty person, gorgeous, amazing mermaid angel.

[B]

100. You're so. You're so 100. Right. Like, I'm just. And I think, like, knowing the way he was operating and beefing with me, I know I would venture to say this now to this day, that he is looking at people as chess pieces and nothing is real and there's no emotion. So in my head, I. I'm beefing with Austin McBroom, and I'm just giving it back. But it's like Catherine was shrapnel in that. And, like, I just. Oh, my God, it makes me so sad to think that just anything from. I love her and wanted nothing but the best for her and, like, oh, my God. Even just. I've never thought about it like that until seeing this interview. Because even in our last episode when we're talking about, I'm like, I would love to have her on canceled. Like, I wasn't even.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because again, it was so long ago, and it's just like, oh, my God. God. Like, I totally see how that just could, like, also play a role in already hurting someone's heart that's already hurting and just, like, makes me sad.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

Yeah. And we love you, Catherine. We love you so, so, so much. And I always have. I always will, regardless of anything. You know what I mean? If she wants to be like that idiot Tik Tok posting clout demon Team Bryce on God stupid for the rest of her life, I completely respect that. And you protect your peace queen. But I hope you know that just. Just. It was a very different time, and I was just hitting post on. But always team Catherine. Just through and through. Just not executed as properly as it could have been. I agree. Yeah.

[A]

We support women.

[B]

Yeah. Just. Oh, my God.

[A]

Speaking of supporting women, I want to go on record and say I am so proud that I have never publicly bashed Hailey Bieber as everybody else has chosen to do. Okay. Because sometimes I'm like, it's so sad that I'm hesitant to come on this podcast and, like, declare my admiration for Haley Bieber because of the, like, people actually, like, send. You hate for that. Like, gross.

[B]

But yeah. And the fact that It's a versus thing like that. If you say you love Haley, people we've said it a million times. People think it's not.

[A]

Oh my God. I like those two things can be so individual from one another. But I say that because I feel like it's like a never ending cycle with Haley where people go from, you know, we hate her. She's so creepy, stalker, whatever ear to. She is so amazing. She influences everybody. She is a billionaire. She's a billionaire, so. And right now everybody's back on the Haley train. And I'm like, I know. Now they're like, last week you were evil.

[B]

It's just so wild how society then sees someone with a billion dollars and they're like, you deserve respect.

[A]

Yeah. But like, it shouldn't take someone's like, husband, like saying some crazy about them for you to like have empathy for a person 100%.

[B]

And it's like, oh my God. Even like, I made a TikTok last week. So apparently I'm actually still the exact same person. I made a TikTok last week that I regret. Like, God damn it. But I saw the Sza and Justin video and I stitched it and I was like, I'd beat his ass. Yeah. And I was saying I'd beat his ass and like, if my man. And like, if whatever. And then after further investigation, I was like, damn. It seems like he is folding and on drugs and Sza was just trying to help him. And then I just like got as the Belieber in me. I got so existentially sad. Like, again, I don't know this man. So I don't know what he's going through, but it just like, it seems like his sparkle is not there. And then it's like, damn, you don't know what she's dealing with behind the scenes with this person that she like fucking loves. Just trying to like have him be okay and be a father to their baby and be the person she loves and like, like. And just what he's going through, it's just like, oh my God, we don't know these people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we don't know these people.

[A]

Heavy on. We do not know these people. And that's something like, I mean, we can't really hardly even touch on because our whole lives and jobs, like, revolve around talking about people basically that we do not know. So I can't like, I can't really hate on people for that too much, but.

[B]

I know, but I'm excited as to not have our paycheck Eventually I know I'm.

[A]

It's like something that really actually bothers me. But I hate especially because like being on the other side of it being like, oh my God, so frustrating that like these people are so again, like flippantly making videos, like talking about things like that they don't have all the information and like, oh my God, we have such a huge part in that, like doing it on the other side.

[B]

100. It's like every time I go to see stuff about us and be like, these people don't know us. It's like I literally just spoke about Catherine McBroom for an hour. I've never had more than a 30 second conversation with her.

[A]

Like, it's like, yeah, no, I've had like moments where I'm like, oh my God, I just got Talked about on H3H3 for 45 minutes and they don't know how to say my last name. Yeah, it bothers me. Like, it really bothers me. But I'm like, like we really do do that to people.

[B]

Yeah, I know. It's like it sucks so much because I love you so much. But like I am getting in this place where I am like really awaiting the ending of this contract for my peace, like realizing that this is the final outlier in my peace era. Which is so unfortunate because when we started it, well, we weren't peaceful when we started it, I guess. You know what I mean? Like just that's what it is. It's like starting this thing at as chaotic ass individuals down for the smoke up our own life. Barney's beanerying it up, pool boy, the house down. Yeah. And now we're in this era where like both of us are so peaceful and then like, yeah, I feel like.

[A]

I don't have enough time to stand up before like something else happens every single time. It's just like.

[B]

And even this episode is no different, you know what I mean? Like, it's just.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm so excited for you to be able to, to talk about food and me to be able to talk about mental health and I want whatever, you know, just.

[A]

Yeah. Not even like necessarily permanently. I know we talk about this all the time, but like just I want to take a beat where it's like my entire life isn't like all about me and like, or other people. I want it to be like fun and like food or personality based or like makeup or something that like doesn't like people don't have a space to comment on in like such a, like negative way because I, you guys know.

[B]

I'm impacted by it 100%. It's like, yeah, I can't sit here and say that when this contract is up toward the end of this year, that canceled this for a fact, ending forever. Because like, listen, like a year could go by or two years could go by and if people really wanted it back or we missed doing it, like, I would be so down to Backstreet Boys it up and like reunion. But I think that for both of our mental health and just ability to grow even further, you know, like, it's just like, yeah, I just feel a little stagnant in my peace era because I'm still holding on to this, like unpeaceful and obviously by contract. And like, it's also scary. It's like I was realizing the other day because you and I have like, we've been really see sawing the idea of if, when Australia is over, if we do a final us run in like October, November and like that it does align with the contract. Theoretically we could do it like, you know what I mean? But like at what cost? Yeah, exactly. Like just we've been to, I mean we did fucking 70 something shows like, you know, like the Burnout and like all of that. And I was like, damn, I'm. Because we sit in these big meetings around these round tables with all the suits and they're sitting here showing us these numbers that like.

[A]

Fabulous.

[B]

Yeah. That I never thought I would make ever in my life. And I love being on stage. Like, it is not about being on stage and doing meet and greets and meeting our fans. It is about everything else that like encompasses all of that. And I was just really realizing that. I don't know, I think like. And I'm sure you can relate to this, but like I grew up in a household with zero money and all of the things my parents fought about every single day was money. And from a very young age, by 5 years old, I would think to myself, like, money can fix this. You know what I mean? And then I obviously have no one to fall back on. You know what I mean? It's not like I anyone did anything for me or like I know if this doesn't work, just essentially what I'm trying to say is I'm realizing how deep rooted my like money and fear, like derivatives are. You know what I mean? Just that it's like such a driving factor because I'm sitting here and I'm like, I need the break and like, you know, whatever. But like, what if I couldn't make that in a couple years but it's like at what cost.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I have the same thing. Trust me, it is. I is something like when so much of your life is like money is such a stressor. Like I feel like I up until three years ago like that was my number one thing that stressed me out the most out of everything in the world and now same thing. It's like a scarcity thing. Like not that I don't have money but it's like you don't know how long this is going to last. Especially like this career isn't like yeah.

[B]

This career also just does that to everyone. No, but this like everyone in Hollywood feels that way.

[A]

Yeah. And then I also like you said we don't have anyone to fall back on. Like not only that but like people are depending like so heavily on me and my job and my I have full body children.

[B]

It is, it is just wild. Like I think about that all the time.

[A]

Like if I nobody eats if I don't. Let me tell you that much.

[B]

Yeah. Like if I really wanted to off right now, I can't like there's so many people and I don't people think that I like pay for my friends lives and it's not that I don't pay for a single one of my friends lives but like employees and just commitments and contracts and all, you know what I mean? Managers and all of these things and it's like good things will come from that period of time, you know what I mean?

[A]

Where it's like, it's like throwing us in the water. Like oh you gotta, you gotta do something.

[B]

Yes. And like, like find out what serves you as who you are now, you know what I mean? Versus like what was serving you two years ago. You know what I mean? Just like even with sobr and like I've just been like really like really deep diving on mental health and even like spirituality and lately where I'm like as much as I love to like also kiki with the girls and talk about Hailey Bieber and talk about all this shit online. Like there is so much more out there for us and so much more that we could do and just so many more ways to feel fulfilled with our platforms and I can't let like a big fat check from a man in a suit convince me me to continue to go against my like soul, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I think like too there's, there's long term like forever lasting consequences to like working yourself through like too much fatigue because like I think it comes down to just. We're very fatigued. Like, I think a lot of the people who watch us are fatigued of, like, you know, it just. I feel like there's a point where it's gonna be like, oh, my God, we took this too far and we did too much. And as a result, I have, like, done this, this and this that I would have never maybe done. Or, like, you know, we've. We've blocked ourselves off from, like, a lot of opportunities that we probably could have, like, pursued had we not had this, like, major responsibility.

[B]

Yeah. I think. I think for me, it's spirituality blocks. Like, I'm really with everything. I. I'm thinking about that so much lately. Like, even I have a friend in my life right now who's been dating this guy who she doesn't, like, really. She's not, like, super obsessed with. Right? And, like, he's sweet and, like, whatever, but the connection is just not there. And I was literally talking to her, and I was saying, like, I think back at so much of my life where, like, I continued blocking myself from, like, my highest path because I was sticking to, like, either what I knew or what was comfortable or just simply what was no longer serving me. And, like, it's. Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. Even with this book, I'm like, I just need to be able to not have to worry about canceled all day, every day to, like.

[A]

Yeah, make room.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Make room. And just. And it's so wild that there's even this. I, like, I don't know, like, the fact that people will still perceive ending canceled as, like, something to do with the both of us. Like, it's just like.

[A]

But it does. Like, it does. And that's not to say, like, it's a relationship problem or it's like, oh, we hate this. It's just like. I don't know. It's hard. And there's, like. It's easy to, you know, see it from afar and be like, well, you know, you just. You have to talk. But it's like the. The. There's so much more to it, I feel like. At least. I don't know. I know you have a different view on it than me, but.

[B]

No, but I am starting to. Really. I think you've sold me on your view in a lot of ways. Like, truly, where it's like, yeah, I love you more than anything, and this has been the most beautiful fucking, like, insane chapter of our lives. You know what I mean? That, like, I have chills even just thinking about it. But it's like, there has to be that room to grow. And that's not saying that eventually we wouldn't come back. And, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I love our dynamic. Like, that's why I ever was like, come sit on this couch.

[A]

That's important, too. It's not, like, so definite. I think a major factor of it, too. We don't. We haven't said this. I don't know or I don't know if we've said this, but, like, if we were able to post once every month or something, I don't think we would feel the way that we do now. But it's just like, it's where we. We, you know.

[B]

Yeah. Honestly, like, all of this is talking towards a contract that we both willingly signed. Yeah.

[A]

And I'm happy and I love. I love my job. I love this. I think this is. Is, like. I mean, this most obviously the most special thing, like, we've ever gotten to do. I'm so grateful for it. I would never want to have any other job. I don't want to complain about it as if it's like, oh, no. Like, what was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just like, I don't know. There are effects to your mental health that, like, a lot of people might not think about. And, like, at least that's my number one driving factor is like, I have to take care of myself that way because everybody is affected by that. If I'm going through it or if I'm not doing well, like, every relationship in my life will suffer. Like, my. My job will suffer. I will not be successful in anything. Like, everything.

[B]

Yeah. And it's. Even with the US Tour, it's like, I. Yeah. There's a part of me where I'm like, we shouldn't take that because I don't want to even get into territory where our relationship suffers. Like, you know what I mean? Because I just love you so much. And it's like, I don't know. Yeah, I think that's what it is. I'm just. I'm really, like, trying to go so headfirst into my piece and, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Further away from Tik Tok drama headlines era. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying it's still me. Like, I'm not saying it still won't happen. And, like, same with you. Like, your personality would still be showing in what you did, but this is like, truly, like, Cancelled is stepping into the line of fire and the girls we were when we signed that contract. We were enjoying the warmth of the fire. Like, we loved it.

[A]

You know, there weren't many consequences, and there was not as much to lose. And, like. Like, it was so fun. It is still so fun. It's so, like. And we're going to look back on it forever and be like, oh, my God, how fun. It's. We're going to look back on it like, college. You know what I mean? Like, oh, my God, that was so crazy. We were so fun.

[B]

And you're. You're hitting the nail on the head, too, with just, like, the audience is fatigued. Like, I have noticed so, like, our sweet viewers, that we love you so much. Like, yeah, I. I think anything can feel like beating a dead horse after a long time. And that's how the Internet works, too.

[A]

Like, yeah, it's hard to, like. Like, not to say, like, nobody wants to see me, but, like, there's certain people that, like, aren't excited to see me when I come on the podcast. And it's like, I don't want you to see me any more than, like, yes, want to see me. Like, I don't. I don't want to be put in that position anymore. I don't want to be on this. Like, yeah, you don't. I don't want you to have to watch me. And, like, no, but. But you know what I'm saying.

[B]

Like, I do know what you're saying. And I also think that I've been saying this since I was collaborating with Shane Dawson. I have been saying that the. The number one key to Internet success in so many ways. Like, if I had to give you three things was reinvention.

[A]

I know. That's why I think I should get a bob.

[B]

Like, reinvention. That's the Kardashian hack. You change your hair when you do something else to distract. Oh, keep going. Say that. See, I'll still be the same bitch. But I'm just saying is reinvention and authenticity, right? Like, reinvention and authenticity are the most important factors, in my opinion, to prolonging a long career in the spotlight, especially as an influencer. And I'm at this point here where I think that for the sake of both of our careers, reinvention and authenticity is very important for these chapters of our lives. And it. I'm agreeing with the audience in almost the sense that it's like, it can feel like beating a dead horse, and it's. We're ready for that. Like, I can't wait to come on a Brooke Fucking tries things show and I can't wait for you to come on A Tana is talking about something other than a Hailey Bieber show show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you know it's just like I'd.

[A]

Love to like just get more serious too. Like not that same. Not that we can't get serious but it just like is not the nature of our show honestly. And like obviously no one's coming here to think like we're gonna be talking about anything like insightful. But I do like I don't you. I don't see my life as what it has been so far.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I almost feel like at some point we've like kind of committed to a bit that we might not have committed to so hard had we not like if we didn't have like a brand, you know 100 business.

[B]

That is like I couldn't agree with you more like just there's so much more like substance.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To the life that we live and everything that's. That's really where I'm. I'm at. And you're so right about that. I don't know. It's just like I'm like so should.

[A]

We not talk about Brittany Fruin?

[B]

I know how fun. And then that's what I'm saying like literally we have to then sit here and and so kidding. But like no. Should we try to talk about.

[A]

Well beat it into the ground while.

[B]

I mean we will be here until we.

[A]

And until we aren't.

[B]

Yes. And like godamn it we love each other and that's just like I just can't stress that enough. It's. It's just about growing.

[A]

I'm. You know what I'm excited for and like I don't know. I feel like this is obvious to people but like there's still some speculation. I think it's going to be cool for us to like like just, just be friends.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because it's like I, I compare cancel a lot to like having a baby with someone or like you know what I mean? Like when you stop putting any effort into your marriage cuz it's like oh now we have this child that care for and we just like parallel play taking care of this child. Like I almost feel like that we got really off track. Like I don't.

[B]

I couldn't agree with you more. I always say that I'm like I can't wait to go get lunch with Brooke and get to be just like Tana and Brooke and like our lives are so different and our opinions are so Different. And we love that because that's like our friendship dynamic and we don't have to agree on the creative of a photo shoot or like a like a thumbnail.

[A]

We just agree in general because yeah we don't have to think about this third party hyper analyzing like exactly.

[B]

And that's, that's. I literally if you told both of us to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich like our. The way we would both explain like our. We just, we have such different. So trying to get to agree like such different opinions on everything. We've noticed how hard that is. You know what I mean? It's like how nice will that be to like not have to both water down what we want for something? Like that is so cool. Yeah.

[A]

I feel like it from out the outside it can look like oh like they just. They sit down and have a podcast. But it is like this big business that there's so many like decisions in and like, like logistics and things that you can fight over that shouldn't be fought over.

[B]

Like the amount of people who make a yearly salary and eat off of cancelled. Like we're not going to come on and like talk about that. Cuz it's boring. But it's like true.

[A]

It's a big business. I don't think either of us anticipated like how like how it was like going to be. You know, it was kind of just like fun. He haha. When we sat down and like somewhere along the way it became this like crazy thing that like outside of it we haven't like we don't spend a lot of time together anymore. Like it just sucks like because.

[B]

And it's also like even like a family channel or anything like that when you have to like monetize and fit this brand to like a relationship. You know what I mean? Like it.

[A]

Yeah. It's like we come back moving different and acting different, talking different. It's like yeah.

[B]

And then we come back from tour and it's like we almost like want a break and to go do our own lives. But it has nothing to do with the fact that we don't like love each other. It's just like we are like who we truly are in our hearts and in our heads is probably like 20 of what canceled is. But like when we go out on that flight and we like are ready to tour, you leave everything behind and then you have to become 100 what that is. And then it's like oh my God. That I, that literally I was like When I came home and I started like Living my own life again. I was like, wow. Like, you know what I mean? And I'm just thinking, even as well. It's like, it is just so interesting in so many ways. Like, there's a part of me that wants to do more serious stuff, but even. Or just like, stand up, where I'm like, yeah, cracking jokes.

[A]

Stand up.

[B]

Or I'm cracking jokes about, like, airline foods or lesing out for the first time. I'm not having to, like, rely so heavily on my own life and my own Lawrence. Yeah.

[A]

It's, you know, for me, it's my own life and other people, like, anything. Drama. Like, that's not to say I will not be involved in drama. Like, Austin McBroom steps out one more time, and I'm making a whole documentary. Like. Like, you know what I mean? It's not that. It's just like, when I don't. I don't know. I. I don't like to have to have a take on a lot of things that, like, we have to have a take on.

[B]

Yeah, it's so true.

[A]

We don't have to. Nobody's forcing us to say these things. But it's like you. We have this pressure to entertain.

[B]

And I almost miss the time where, like, I could be like, I want the smoke this week. You know what I mean? And, like, it'd be now and again, and I would talk about something that was really grinding my gears or have an opposing opinion again against someone or, like, involve myself in something versus, like, having to. You know what I mean?

[A]

I will say I'm into rage bait right now. That's my new thing.

[B]

Tell more now.

[A]

Just like, for example, I posted it. Honestly, this is an accident, but I've been, like, just laughing at it because I posted a video the other day eating a sandwich. Okay. Posted a video, eating a sandwich. And the filter that I use on TikTok in every single video is light foundation filter. Okay.

[B]

Okay. I'm so sorry. I can't wait for AI to get good enough that people can wear glasses and only. Only see me with light foundation filter.

[A]

Exactly right. But I had this, which is also.

[B]

It is like, the most minimally invasive filter not to. Like, I had this.

[A]

Like, the same icon is also, like, a way more extreme, bold glamour. Yeah, it's basically bold glamour.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

It's not. But it is. And I posted a video with it and, like, the hate that I received. But it's like, when it's something like that, it's like, okay, like, you're losing sleep. About me using a filter. And if you click the filter, it's like, Briana Chicken Fry has not made a video without it in months.

[B]

And people are just livid.

[A]

But, like, nobody care. Like, it's, you know, you just don't like me and that's fine. But, like, I don't know. I. I'm into stuff like that where it's like, you're mad at me for a filter. Like, I'm gonna post 10 more times with that exact filter. You have to, because I want you to lose sleep. I want you to be sick over it.

[B]

It is so interesting where our society is at. Like. Like how much, like, think about it. There's just never been a time in the world where people care this much about what other people are doing. And it. Like, I was saying this during. And we never. This episode was Labu boogate, so it's probably never going to see the light of day. But in the beginning of the episode, we had Paige on, and Paige was talking about how she was receiving. And I saw them. So I like anyone who wants to detest it. I saw them with my own eyes. She was receiving hundreds of. Of death threats about saying she did not like Leah Kateb's yellow dress. I was going through my for you page and I was seeing videos with similar amounts of likes and views and similar comments as well. People equally as angry and frustrated with Paige for saying she did not like Leah Kateb's yellow dress. And for James Charles and Evan Johnson. And I was like, it is. It was so wild to me.

[A]

Yeah. It's like, this should not cause this level of outrage. Like, where it.

[B]

Like, like, like, do you get what I'm saying?

[A]

You have to have. Like, there needs to be levels to it. Like, you should care more about real human issues than somebody's dress or somebody's filter.

[B]

Like, do you get what I'm saying, though? Like, how. Because. Because then it's like desaturating or like, watering down serious issues because people are just as up in arms about serious issues as they are about a girl saying she doesn't like another girl's yellow dress. Yeah.

[A]

It's like the whole thing people say too, with, like, cancel culture. Like, when people get canceled for things that are so minor that it, like, takes away from, like, the cancellation of people who really deserve it.

[B]

Yeah. It's so interesting. I saw Leah Kateb this past weekend in Vegas.

[A]

How was she?

[B]

And she looked beautiful. Her. Yeah. The AMAs.

[A]

Yeah. Talk about it.

[B]

Like, it was. Honestly, I don't have much to write home about, but I will. Huh.

[A]

Was it underwhelming?

[B]

No. But I'll explain to you why I enjoyed it so thoroughly. So I was doing, like, a press opportunity, like, photo thing at the AMAs the same time as Jana was, and she looked unreal, like a Barbie. And then I was talking to her and we were just, like, complimenting each other. Kikiing. And then Leah called her on FaceTime and I just, like, popped my head and I was like, please don't hate me. I'm so sorry. And then she said, I don't hate you. And that was all. I know, but. And I get why she was, you know, no one likes to have their no outfit. Yeah, like 100. Like, I totally see why she, like, left that comment, but it obviously did then incite for Paige to get death threats, which is just. What a wild world. And it's so funny how many times. I don't think I'll ever learn that lesson about fashion reviewing.

[A]

There's a lot of lessons that I'm just going to have to learn over and over again. But I can see that being mis. Misconstrued.

[B]

Yeah. It's just that even when we were doing it, I remember I didn't like Emma Roberts outfit, and I had to be like, please do not compare our career. She is better than me. Like, please. I know she's better than me. I just don't like this jacket. Like.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know when you caught it. I love, loved everybody's house.

[B]

Yeah, like, they were awful, but it is just wild. Like, pretty much every single time in my life that I've, like, reviewed fashion, whether it's me or it's the other person, like someone just. Someone gets in so much trouble and it becomes so worldwide and it's like, I don't know if I'll ever learn. It's so fun. It sucks that having opinions is, you know, taboo. Taboo.

[A]

No opinion.

[B]

But the AMAs. Now I'm gonna give a bunch of opinions. No, I mean, I got invited. And so obviously I always know, too, that whenever I'm getting invited to an award show, that that means it's going to be influencer central. Down. Like, I always assume in nowadays time that if I'm getting invited. So is Tara. Yummy. So is Jake Shane. Like, just like other people. Like that. And then people were really. I'm surprised. I didn't really catch the smoke for that, but people were really up in arms that it was like influencer palooza. You know what I Mean, I never.

[A]

Get to get my opinion on that because. Because people don't like that one. But I'm very much on the. I don't understand why people get upset about that. Like, why would you be upset that other people get to experience things?

[B]

At the end of the day, the only reason I'm ever invited or a Jake Shane or like Atari Amir or whoever else is because of marketing. Like these award show higher ups realized that social media is the driving power to now make these things succeed. And at one point it was television. So traditional media stars obviously converted to things being watched on television and an older generation and eventually that stopped working. So they started inviting, you know what I mean, influencers so that their Instagram reels and their tick tocks of this event, like, do better. You know what I mean?

[A]

Alex girl is there. I am watching.

[B]

Yes. And. And that shows numerically. So that's why that's happening. People were being funny though. Like, I saw someone because everyone wanted Taylor Swift to announce Reputation there and I thought she was going to. That's. I switched in the last minute to a black dress. Like, I was like, let me just. I. And I really, like, I was hoping. And then I saw someone quote a video of James Charles on the carpet and said, this is where y' all wanted her to announce Reputation. I was like, like. And that's. I'm not even trying to get into anything too deep. That's just a funny ass tweet.

[A]

I saw Jake Shane in the audience just going like this. I'm like, he's looking for Taylor.

[B]

You know that he was in Vegas. Like Thursday, Friday he flies home. He wasn't going to go to the AMAs. And then Renee Rap calls him and is like, can you announce for me? And he had to like fly back. I was like, the dedication a king for that. I was kicking it with Fibula. Our seats were by each other and he was like, don't flex on me. He was such a sweetie. And it was. I got to see Shaboozi live in person. I didn't go up to him. There was one point where he was on stage and some girl from the crowd yelled, I love you, Shaboozi. And he goes, I love you too. And I turned to Makoa and I was like, I wish that was me so bad. And then everyone was tweeting me, like thinking it was me. And I was like, I love that.

[A]

With the rumor.

[B]

Janet Jackson was incredible. How was JLo, honestly? And here's just me being so finger off The Pulse. But I also think there is a different translation to seeing something live in front of you versus seeing something like on a clip or on television. Like, I. I loved the opening number. Like, I was like, wow, this is.

[A]

I think that was the general consensus. I think people were like, I was.

[B]

Seeing so many tick tocks of people being. She reused these dance moves. This. This is boring.

[A]

But like, I saw someone saying she stole Kendrick Lamar's performance and I was like, honestly, iconic if she did.

[B]

Yeah, I don't. I mean, I just like, I enjoyed it. I'm trying to think of what else I really enjoyed other than my main. My main thing.

[A]

I didn't get to watch it, but somebody said that they made Alex Earl sound like a dumb blonde. Like, like, whatever they wrote for her. Like whiz Beneath. Like, like, it. I. People were mad because they were like, why'd they make her sound like that? Like, she's so smart.

[B]

I know that she just said something about like her and Kai Sonat's influence. I don't actually remember the thing. I mean, I was just like, damn, she looks good and she's slaying. And also, I have always said this. Presenting at an award show is the hardest thing on planet Earth. Okay? So whenever people get hate for it, I'm like, I don't know, man. You're in this room of all of either your peers, but also celebrities and like every.

[A]

No, I'm forgetting how to read. I'm going blind. I'm going to duff.

[B]

It is so much. And like we go on a stage for a living. You know what I mean? But I think it is so different, the teleprompter, the way that it, like, it'll cut off and like, so your cadence can't be perfect. And even if you remember, when I go up there, it's like you're blank. Like, it's just.

[A]

It should be Nikki Glaser.

[B]

Yes, 100%. She was really funny and just did so good. She, like, I don't know what she. I think she, like, I don't remember. She announced something.

[A]

Nikki, if you're listening, please, come on. Canceled. We're about to be over.

[B]

It's so real. Honestly. She's been. Been texting me back and being nice about it and like, maybe, who knows? I also have some crazy tea of someone that I think we might be able to get on. Canceled. I. Okay, bleep it because I don't want to spoil it, but bleep it. But, like, you're gonna die. Who? No, I know. No, I know.

[A]

Don't say that.

[B]

And I don't know, but I just got. I just got some really positive texts today.

[A]

Oh, my God, I'm sick.

[B]

I would be.

[A]

I would. When I tell you, you. I would not be able to handle it. Like, the amount of substances I would have to consume to even sit face. That's one of those, actually. I think I've said before that I never want to meet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I never want her to become less magical to me.

[B]

It's. It's.

[A]

I might have to sit that one out.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. You could do it. You. You were great under.

[A]

I just be sitting here. Like.

[B]

I know, but I'll tell you more about it off camera. I just had to tell you.

[A]

Okay. Oh, my God.

[B]

And I don't know. A girl can hope and dream, right? Even if it never happens, who cares? But, like, really cool. My highlight of my weekend was Alex Warren. Dude.

[A]

He deserves better than this podcast.

[B]

I talked to him about it though, actually, and he's. He's not upset at all. He was like, release it. We are going to release it and we will do a future one with him. I just. I can't believe that that got vaults.

[A]

No, not just that, but I. I can't. Like, of course I can believe his success. He deserves all the success. But I was in Amsterdam and I just. I don't know what compelled me to look at his, like, Spotify 43 million monthly listeners Alex Warren has right now. He's 80th in the world.

[B]

And it's Ordinary is officially a Billboard number one hit.

[A]

So he surpassed Elvis for the number most or longest running number one hit by a male artist artist in the uk.

[B]

I know. And like, these stats are okay. So I get dinner with him though, right? And he. He's on vocal rest, so he's using this app to talk for him being so funny and just. I mean, first and foremost, just the same Alex that I've known from day one, which I appreciate so much, I think that anyone that I've ever been close with or friends with in his situation, I would say 60 of those people went Hollywood on me. And like, it's the night before he's about to perform at the AMAs, and he's like, we have to get dinner. Like, I want to see Makoa. Like, you know what I mean? Just like the same Alex. And we go. And he's just being so funny with the voice translate. And he's like, whatever. And I'm not. I'm not exposing any of his tea, obviously, but his life is crazy. And I don't know if I've ever maybe a couple other people, but where I'm just like, like move to tears for someone else's success like that. Like, just like so proud of him. Like, I remember the first time he brought his laptop to my house and showed me a song on GarageBand and said, I want to do this. And honestly, I genuinely remember being like, maybe stick to the vlogs. You're so good at them. Not because of song, just because of the influencer music trope and like, whatever. And then obviously he kept showing me them and they're amazing and it's like, do it dub. But just even, just, oh my God, how smart he is even with the vlogs. How smart he is was with his analytics and how smart he is with social media.

[A]

Have that. I feel like you have that. Honestly, just knowing like what he makes.

[B]

Me look like a. Like an idiot, Like a lab rat. Like he's a genius. You know what I mean? Just like it's so cr. And his writing and just his story, like it all being true. So true.

[A]

Even having to clarify like, and it's.

[B]

True is so funny. I know. And it's, it's. But I just. Him and cover, like, just. He deserves it. It all and more. And like, I don't know, just like so great. At one point he was using his like, voice thing, but he was. He said something to me that was just so sweet that I like completely agreed with where he was saying at the time where he was being an influencer. Most of the things that he did with everyone else, people would make him feel transactional. But when it was him and I, it felt like it was just an excuse to hang out with his friend. And I was like, I've always felt that way about him and I just, just like fucking love him. And then seeing him on that stage performing Ordinary and then seeing people rank it as the best performance of the night and the song wasn't number one the night before the performance and then it went number one that day. And like, even just before he's like inviting me to his green room like an hour before he's performing and I'm like eating his fucking snacks and we're all like cracking jokes and I'm just like, it's so crazy. I don't know. I just will always have like a very special place in my heart when people don't change. Like, it's just like, because it's so Rare in this industry. Industry. Like it's. It's literally like the 1%. I feel like when like what's happening to him happens, like people change, you know, and it's just like I love it.

[A]

I love to see people be successful who deserve it because it's so often not that way.

[B]

Yeah. And it's just very cool. I'm trying to think of anything else that really like. I mean, it was Makoa's first carpet which.

[A]

Wait, no, that's not true. He did. Oh, I guess he walked. Okay, he walked the carpet. But he went to People's Choice with us.

[B]

Yeah, but he. Yeah, like it was our first like.

[A]

Like he was. He killed. He's meant for this life.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I made him make a Tik Tok account finally. I know I'm like, our kids have to go to college. Like, let's just do it.

[A]

Miles said him and Mo or him like talked about it a little bit where Mo was like, maybe I have to lean in eventually. Cuz it's just like.

[B]

Yeah. And because it's like, it's even funny. I uploaded my vlog in Paris doing lots of things out and about. No, I'm just kidding.

[A]

Oh my God, have I not been through enough?

[B]

I'm actually. I'm sorry, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But we uploaded that and everyone was like, I didn't know he talked and like it's just.

[A]

No, he has. He's so funny.

[B]

He's so funny and like it's so funny. Like even someone was just like talking about like, oh my God, like him being mute and like, whatever. And I was like, if you're dating Tana Mongeau, like you like, you guys.

[A]

Have to be able to know that he has personality. Camera is not natural to people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like people kind of forget that. It's. It's very uncomfortable. It's like, like have a normal interaction with like the people who you're normally around with a camera. Like, yeah, things just go different.

[B]

And like over time he got closer with J Rod, which I even think like made things help, you know, and.

[A]

Just like, although Chris filmed that.

[B]

That's true. But still, even like, I don't know how to explain it. It's different.

[A]

Like when you feel like it's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All your friends and stuff.

[B]

But yeah. And just like I can also imagine now as well, like, like, I'm not saying McCall was not 100% sure about me from the moment we met. I think he was. And he's never done anything to lead me otherwise. But I can also imagine being like I'm kind of scared to just go so into this and then it like follows me for the rest like, you know what I mean? Like I think that as we progress as well it's like well damn, you know what I mean? Like it's kind of just like free money sitting on a table, you know what I mean? And I think that even like the other day he was like showing me this some rapper, I forget like did a tick tock of like a day in his life and he's like well what if I did something like this? And I was like okay Anna Paul.

[A]

I think it's a huge testament to who Mokoa is that you guys are two years into your relationship and he's never even thought about it.

[B]

Yeah. So it's been me like kind of pushing.

[A]

I feel like you've been with so many people who like just capitalize immediately and they see like they have money signs in their eyes, you know what I mean? And I feel like it's so clear that that is not Makoa. That's just not who he is is. So I think absolutely no shame. And if he wants to like make a tick tock here.

[B]

Yeah and I appreciated that too because he spent the first year like obviously reassuring and showing me every day that he loves me for me, you know. So then now it's like I am pushing him to do it because there's not a part of me that thinks he does it. You know what I mean? So it's just. And like we are, we are a team so it's like any success, it's.

[A]

Me, it's amazing for both of you.

[B]

And I hate like when and I don't know and like obviously like he can do whatever he wants and I would support it regardless. But like in my dream world he isn't leaving to go do these hard ass jobs all the time in order to like make the money. Like I would rather be taking him.

[A]

I know randomly that's how, that's how I feel about Bibi. Like at a certain point I was like I need you to quit your job. I don't care what we have to do to make it happen. Like please, because I need you there.

[B]

Exactly like that's. And that's, that's what it was because these jobs he would leave and he would be doing very cool but very like hard, long work and you know what I mean? I'm like you could do a fit check theoretically and make the price of what you were getting paid for five weeks in Telluride, Colorado, going in, you know, it's like, yeah. And, like, I just. I would love that for him, but obviously, whatever he's comfortable with. And he's just beautiful and funny and sweet.

[A]

Needs to be in a quicksilver ad.

[B]

Yes. Like, come on. And so talented. Just all of the sports, like, so athletic.

[A]

And he's so smart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I mean, everyone kind of knows Mako is smart, but.

[B]

Yeah. But even just to showcase that more. Even that I could see us, like, because our dynamic is so funny in the sense that he is always, like, even just. You see a little bit in the Paris vlog, where he's like, I'm trying to buy a 1200 shoe. And he is discussing talking.

[A]

The practicality. What. You know.

[B]

Yes. And that is just who he is through and through. And that's what makes our relationship so amazing. Like, he's helped me grow in so many ways in that way. And it's so. And I almost feel like I do kind of make him be a little more like it. And, like, you know, I'm not gonna cry.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I mean, yeah, I was a mess before the man. You know, we love Makoa. We do love Makoa so much.

[A]

And.

[B]

But same with you. It's. It is just, like, so nice to see us in these eras where we are with people who do nothing but make us better. Want to see us win, have no ill intentions. And. Yeah, you know what I mean. That we do cute shit with.

[A]

I saw a comment. But you know what? Let me just stop talking about hate comments.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Because you were like, well, someone.

[A]

Okay, fine, stop begging someone. Someone commented on, like, one of my videos and was like, you're giving the same energy you had with Clinton in the videos. And. Oh, my God, I have never been more offended by a comment in my entire.

[B]

No, she's not.

[A]

Because if there's one thing I could not possibly be in more opposite a relationship than I was, and I will.

[B]

Sign the document on that.

[A]

Oh, my God. Like, I don't know. It's. It's hard. I don't have a good track record. Okay. It's like, you look at me and my relationships, and you're like, this bitch cannot choose a man to save her life. Like, so I understand people's, like, hesitation.

[B]

No, but he, like, it is, like, absolutely crazy. Just not only the way he loves you, but the way you guys riff, like, and just like, he's so funny.

[A]

He's the funniest person in the world. And just like.

[B]

And just like, like, truly, like, his patience with you, like, his ability to navigate your emotions and mood and make you better.

[A]

Yeah. He meets me where I'm at, and I don't have to, like, like, really adapt, and that's hard for me to do. I have to, like, even, like, Ray.

[B]

And Emma were, like, the people on our tour were talking about how much they can see the way Miles, like, affects your just overall, like, nervous system. He does.

[A]

He's like. Yeah, it's that. That's exactly what it is. It's like a nervous system thing. I feel so, like.

[B]

Yeah. Which therefore makes you, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Nicer, happier, all the things. You know what I mean? Like, in. In the best way. Best way. Like, and it's just, like, so great, you know, he's blessed. Oh, that's cute.

[A]

You were at the AMAs. But we had. We had BB and Paige over for bolognese night, which is actually. We're about to have to get a bigger dinner table. We actually don't have a dinner table, but Paige is about to have a boyfriend. Bibi, by the time this episode comes.

[B]

Out, has a girlfriend, and I can't wait until we're allowed to talk about that.

[A]

We are. We are. They were. They were gonna hard launch today.

[B]

They called. What?

[A]

Yes, they called me this morning, and they were gonna hard launch today.

[B]

I like.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But, like, can we say the name? Like, I don't.

[A]

I don't know if we should say her name yet, but she. God, what an icon.

[B]

Here's what I'm going to say.

[A]

She's in the canceled universe.

[B]

Thank you. Literally, that's the exact words I was going to say, by the way. This person is in the canceled universe and had a very big play or very big role in one of our biggest, most viral moments.

[A]

She might be the reason we're sitting here today.

[B]

She 100%. Like, I'm not kidding. I mean, can we say that?

[A]

I feel like. I don't know. I don't know if she'll like that we say that.

[B]

Yeah, okay, yeah, whatever. But anyways, and we love this person and both of us. And I've just all. She's so talented, so amazing. She's great. Like, we love this person so much. But it's funny because it's like, I don't know how to explain this. Like, Bebe is finishing the story.

[A]

Yeah, she's really tying. She's tying up loose ends.

[B]

I was calling her an archaeologist for like digging this up and like discovering like, I don't know how to explain it. Like it's just. And it's crazy because it fits so perfectly. Like, I wish you could almost go back in time and tell us so long ago that this person would end up dating Bebe and that would be the finale to the story.

[A]

Little aspect of that time period. Like that exact time period. I'm crying over Joe, who is a close friend of my current boyfriend who I will marry. Like, all of it was like, I wish we could be like, no, look how different everything looks three, four years from now.

[B]

I know. It's so crazy. And I'm so excited for Bibi because I really do just, I love this person.

[A]

No. And I was really apprehensive always for Bibi to date a girl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I. I'm just a jealous friend in general. And I was like always afraid that if she got a girlfriend, like she wouldn't want to hang out with me ever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And.

[B]

And now it's this person that you know that's amazing and who I love.

[A]

And who I know will get along with my boyfriend so well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really excited. Do you want to talk about Tana Sutra or no?

[B]

Oh my God. Yes, I have that written down. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's so funny because originally I wanted to start the episode with talking about Tana Sutra.

[A]

Uh huh.

[B]

Oh my God. It's. Well, it's. It's also so funny. It's so layered. I originally was going to start today's episode before I spilled sriracha all over my merch merchant. Before that call her daddy came out and just all of the things that ended up happening and like whatever with talking about and this is the most entitled rant ever. Okay. It is so entitled. Like actually, like, I understand if top comment is like tana, jump off the Empire State because it is so entitled. But I am at this point where I am so, so. And I've said this before, so I'll keep it short, but I am just so defeated with the fact that I cannot get a chili sponsorship to save my life. Like, I, like, I wake up every single day to my mentions on TikTok. Like I would say 80% of all of my mentions on TikTok. Maybe not 80, maybe like 65. Are Chili's related? Are Chili's related? I have girls coming up to me on the street asking me for my triple dipper order. I buy Chili's Merchant. I wear it. I. I live, breathe and Die in every off chance of me and Trisha filming. Not Loveline. I'm ordering Chili's. I'm known as the Chili's Girl. I ever. Every Chili's video on every platform. It's all. I get tagged in. It is so crazy. And then I see these influencers who I know would never order a Nashville Hot Moz fucking Triple Dipper. I get these sponsorships and I just. And it's so funny because I don't even want the money. I want the acknowledgement. I want the validation. I don't. And I understand that. It's also like, I made my own bed and I have to lie in it. And I may never be as brand safe as I want to be, and that's totally fine. But I'm in this era where I'm like, come on. And, like, if you're willing to sponsor, like, a brand flakes. Like, we talk about the same things. Like, just please. Why they were sponsoring Ken Yurich. I feel like her and I are very similar with who I am now.

[A]

I used to have a chili sponsorship, and what I will say is they stand on business and they are very serious about their standards because they did publicly denounce me and had to release a statement saying they don't fuck.

[B]

And I've. And mind you, I've seen all of the, like, other people who do them, like, how they go and they. They do take it very seriously. And I understand completely. Even just, like, they follow me on and, like, I think I DM them. And I was like, I would literally do anything for us to please work together. They just liked it. Like, I'm just like, come, you don't even have to pay me. Like, I'll pay you. Actually, I'll pay you if you just let.

[A]

Hashtag ad.

[B]

Yeah, if you just. No, but if they just approve the FTC disclaimer. Like, I am just like, oh, my God. And it's so funny because then Alix Earle, I am like, scrolling and I see this video of Alex going, tana. And I'm like, tana. Like, what did I do? Oh, my God. And it's called Tana Sutra and it's for Hawaiian Tropic. And obviously I'm like. So in my, like, Hawaii, I use Hawaiian Tropic all the time. I am Hawaiian Tropic and it has nothing. Obviously, they're gonna. If I was Hawaiian Tropic, I would also pick Alex Earl, her, the bikini body, the Sports Illustrated. I get it completely.

[A]

He's doing the split.

[B]

It's just it's so funny that it's called Tana Sutra.

[A]

Sorry, keep going.

[B]

Oh, yeah, we have to. We have to. We have to talk about that too. Yep. My whole mentions over the past entire week has been getting tagged in Tana.

[A]

Sutra just got stabbed in the heart.

[B]

We will. We will be address. Addressing that as well in a second. But yeah, all my. All my tags are in this Tana Sutra ad that she's doing. And there's not a part of me that thinks I would have ever gotten that. It's just funny that it's my name and I love Alex Earl, and you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, we live for Alex Earl. But I do have to. Like, when I was looking at it, I'm thinking to myself, like, there are so many people that this would have had to, like, cross the desk of. For it to have gotten all the way out to the world, and nobody along the way was like, tana.

[B]

Yeah. And I. I just. But I do get that. I'm definitely.

[A]

No, I'm not saying, like, I'm not even saying, like, they had to have you on it, but it's like they could have called it something else.

[B]

Yeah, Kutra. But like, tanning also, like.

[A]

I know, but it. It's. It's not tanning. It's tana.

[B]

And yeah, they could add it a second.

[A]

It wasn't just us. Like, all the comments were like, wait, no, it's.

[B]

It's my whole tag. Like, it is. It is. It is. And it's funny because Tana is TA N N A N T A N A is Tana. We' that debate forever. So then it being TA and I was like, you could have had the second. No, no, but like, dead. Yeah.

[A]

Tana. Yeah, it should have been T I.

[B]

N N A. Yeah. Because Lana is Lana.

[A]

And. Yeah, phonetically.

[B]

But.

[A]

Or.

[B]

But like banana. Let me just. Or like Nana. I guess I didn't think about that. I don't. Dude, she deserves it. I'm not even coming for Alexitis deserves everything. But it's funny because it. The getting my mentions getting blown up in the.

[A]

This.

[B]

This should have been Tana Mojo tags for the Tana Sutra thing is just still fueling Chili's. Just take a chance on the girl. I won't say a swear word. I will pay you. Like, it's just. And it's getting to this point, I just ordered this Chili's hat and I'm like, do like. Yeah, it's getting bitter.

[A]

Passionate about something and see other people live out your dreams.

[B]

Yes. And. And I'm just seeing these people who.

[A]

I do think Father Cows doesn't go to Chili's. I know she. She doesn't.

[B]

And, like, just who I am now. I do think, like, if they're sponsoring Kenya, I think our brands are kind of similar, but I get the. I made my bed and I have to lie in it. And I sound very entitled. I'm sitting here saying, I deserve a chili sponsorship. It's like, actually, you need a muzzle. But, like.

[A]

No, I get it. It all comes down to, like, you know, conversion. Like, you have a really crazy conversion. Like, there's no doubt about that. Like, when you say you love something and we are so passionate about something, something people go out and buy, and they spend money and they drive orders. You know what I mean?

[B]

They go to Chili's. And that's. I guess that's what it is, is when I see every single day a thousand mentions of, like, went to Chili's and got Tana Mojo's order. I'm at Chili's. I feel like, Tana Mojo, Tana Mojo made me love Chili's. I'm like, I've already. It almost is kind of like the makeup talk thing. Like, you know, like, it's just. You know what I mean? Like, even on their videos, I'll see top comments about me a lot. That it's like, but it's a major corporation, and I am no. A toothbrush. Team Bryce poor.

[A]

You know what? Never say never. You know who's the best testament to this ever is Trisha. Trisha has every opportunity in the world that she very much, in my opinion, deserves. And it didn't just happen overnight.

[B]

That's true. It is true. And I just. I need to stop, because it really is. It's like, who cares? Like, I'm literally sitting here saying, I would pay for it. So it's not like it would be this, like, insane.

[A]

No, I understand, though.

[B]

Like, it's not for the money, and it's. And then it's just a pride thing. And it's like, who cares? Just go at your triple dipper. And the people who love you do associate you with Chili's. And that's the same thing, if not better. Knowing that I have all of these, like, beautiful girls, gays, and they. Who are like, I want to go try her food order. Like, that's the thing I should be grateful about, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I agree. But, I mean, a little check wouldn't hurt.

[B]

We have to talk about how I am always saying I'm A psychic. But you.

[A]

But I am a psychic.

[B]

Kick.

[A]

And I don't feel like I'm getting enough credit for this. I think I feel personally responsible. No, I'm kidding. But I. I did predict Alex Earl being on Dancing with the Stars. Okay. And this is one of those things where it's like, okay, like, the sky is blue. Like, no, she was gonna be on Dancing with the Stars, but at the same time, like, when I tell you I was having premonitions, I was waking up night sweat. I'm so excited for her. First of all, Alex rolls a good dancer.

[B]

Dancer.

[A]

I feel like people don't talk about that enough. Alex Earl is a good dancer. She's. She's got the faces. She's got every. Like, she's gonna slay down. I pray to God that they put her with a good partner. They will, of course. Yeah, but.

[B]

And just, like, the outfits and, like, also just the smartest move on Dancing with the Stars. Get ready with me for this. Get ready. Like, all. It's.

[A]

Oh, my God. Translates. Like, it just does. I know people, so a lot of people, like, same thing with the award show stuff, where it's like, some people are like, oh, my God. It's not influencing or dancing with the influencers. Like. Like, it's.

[B]

Yeah. But it's like, if Harry Josie did it, you can let Alex Earl. Yeah.

[A]

And, like.

[B]

And it's just. Yeah.

[A]

Talking numbers. Like, Alex Earl is. She's just one of the most famous.

[B]

And, like, people are. Yeah, like, want to just, like, demote her to an influencer. But in my opinion, Alex Earl is like, Alex Earl is a traditional media celebrity at this point. You know what I mean?

[A]

She's the numbers show it. Okay? And whether you want to believe it or not, it.

[B]

And she is. You're so right. Like, dancing outfits, fits. She is the perfect flawless for it.

[A]

She's gonna be so good. That being said, I'm seething with jealousy. I love her. I don't want to go on Dancing with Stars so bad. Maybe in 10 years, but, oh, my God, someone's gonna do it. It needs to be Alex Earl.

[B]

And you keep manifesting and don't let this stole your sparkle. I am so excited for Alex Earl. I do also really, really want to see Ms. Paytas.

[A]

That was my. That was gonna. What I was gonna say next. It should have been Alex and Tristan. She would be so good. So entertaining.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, my God. I need to see it.

[B]

And just adding to that manifestation, like, lore and just. And the Broadway of it all. Like, it is so on brand and.

[A]

Just the shows, like, oh, my God, I'm excited. Oh, I need to see it. But I would. I would have loved for them to both be on the same season, but.

[B]

Obviously, God, it's so funny how Dancing with the Stars is so many people's dreams. Like, literally, I'm sitting across from someone and I'm like, I would 100 do it. Like, it'd be, like, so fun and cool, but, like, I would be out by episode one. Like, my lack of rhythm and no.

[A]

I feel like it comes down to, like, effort and, like, people, like, you know, people. It's votes. So, like, a lot of it's, like, not that fair in that regard.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's still excited for her.

[A]

It's demanding as fuck. It, like, ruins people's lives and relationships. So I'm eager to see how she makes that work. But if we will know one thing about Alex Earl, it's that she's going to make it happen.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Going to act like it's the easiest thing in the world.

[B]

And I can't wait to watch. Oh, my goodness. Is.

[A]

Wait. We love you. Should we end the episode?

[B]

Oh, my God, yes. Wait. Coming, you guys. Kayla, Malik, I think is in the building, and we are about to go in, but we love you so, so, so much. And we will talk to you on the next episode of the canceled podcast. And this one we're about to film is about to be crazy. We love you.

[A]

Yay. Sa.