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Tana Mongeau
Hello and welcome back to the cancelled podcast.
Benny Drama
No. Today we have the fabulous Trevi Moran on as a guest. Hi. And I'm so happy to have you. I'm so happy.
Trevi Moran
Same. We've never done like a full gig and a gag, have we?
Benny Drama
Never.
Trevi Moran
No.
Tana Mongeau
I guess. Yeah. You always. You came on with.
Trevi Moran
No, I've been on. Okay, so it was the one where we were talking about the trans day of visibility Instagram verified pink swipe.
Benny Drama
Oh, yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Yes, yes.
Benny Drama
Oh, what a time.
Trevi Moran
It was the one where I came on in like, that neck to toe, like, sparkly boohoo dress. And that was just trannylicious to the max. And then there was one where I came on like a gia, like tube top, but it's all been in like 10 minute increments.
Benny Drama
You also remembering it in outfits is the most like, me coded shit ever. I'm always trying to explain something to Makoa and I was like. And I had the blue corset on and he's like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Tana Mongeau
Well, I'm so excited that you're here for a full episode.
Benny Drama
Oh, our embarrassing drunk night at the VMAs.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. Look at it.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, but you look fabulous. That hair colors, everything.
Trevi Moran
I guess it just wasn't like, natural like I wanted. I wanted to give gingy, like, ginger boots and that just gave like, you die. You die every four weeks.
Tana Mongeau
That's true. That's.
Trevi Moran
That is splat Hair dye.
Tana Mongeau
But you've nailed it now. It looks amazing.
Trevi Moran
Thanks. I mean, I don't do it, but Carlos does. Carlos does. And we love.
Benny Drama
Well, so. I mean, shit, I. I like, love just having a friend on and having no plan and, like, just rolling with the punches. Like, there's something so different about interviewing someone versus just like.
Tana Mongeau
I know I wasn't made for it, I'll tell you that much.
Trevi Moran
No. Yeah. And don't interview me because I'll already talk about myself enough, I promise.
Tana Mongeau
What the fuck is going on? What's our current events?
Benny Drama
Yeah. What is, like, going on? It's hard because Jojo is Joel. Jojo is Joel.
Trevi Moran
Right. And I mean, I'm all for, like, switching things up. Like, I really threw a couple people for a loop. Yeah. I think people live their truth. They live in different eras. And Joelle is the deboification is what it sounds like.
Benny Drama
Yeah, you're right. She is de boe fying.
Tana Mongeau
I love de boa fing.
Benny Drama
Yeah. Which is very important. It's hard. I think you Know why I think I'm, like, detesting it mentally is because to me, I'm like, if you were going by Joelle, you would be almost. And maybe I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, but acting like Joel. Like, to me, I think cheating on big brother is very Jojo.
Trevi Moran
I forgot about that part. I haven't gotten too deep into the lore.
Benny Drama
Like, to me, Joelle would mean she has the shadow route and a farm and you know everyone to be a.
Tana Mongeau
Clean girl, don't you?
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I really do live for the rebrand, though.
Benny Drama
No, I mean, I'll never be a clean girl, as hard as I try. And I feel like Joelle is like.
Tana Mongeau
Just like, put your hair. Let your hair down.
Trevi Moran
Have I met anybody?
Benny Drama
Like, no more scalp trauma. No more slick back.
Tana Mongeau
No more.
Benny Drama
I know, but to me, Joel, just.
Tana Mongeau
I have that.
Trevi Moran
Well, you have. You have alopecia.
Tana Mongeau
I have traction alopecia. I have.
Benny Drama
You say, come on, puff like Jordan Morona's dog.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. It's not to be joked about. I know that, but what is the tea?
Tana Mongeau
Basically, if you just do too many tight ponytails, you get, like, traction alopecia.
Trevi Moran
Oh, well, isn't that what Joelle has?
Tana Mongeau
Yeah. So that's. Yeah, that's where.
Trevi Moran
Well, everyone was, like, making cone of her hairline at one point, Remember?
Benny Drama
Oh, yeah, I do remember that. That's not fair. And she has just, like, been through a lot of unnecessary things, so I'm trying to give her, like, so much grace. You know what?
Tana Mongeau
I watched her on Special Forces, and I'm like, love. So so differently. She's amazing. It's like a. Like a basically, like, Navy SEAL training show where they do, like, the most extreme things ever, and it's miserable and horrible, and she was like.
Benny Drama
But then it's like Black China and Tom Sandoval, like, scaling a wall in 3 degree weather and.
Tana Mongeau
But they're all, like, very committed to their craft.
Benny Drama
Yeah, because they. I feel like people kind of go on it almost for a rebrand, like, to show a different side of them. Like, I would argue to say most people who went on Special Forces are kind of like, yeah, what do they.
Trevi Moran
Win their career back?
Benny Drama
Nothing. It's all for pride.
Tana Mongeau
Honestly, though, Tom Sandoval went on Traitors, and, like, people love him again.
Trevi Moran
Okay, I didn't watch that one.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, you have to see. You'll love it. It's like, are you in reality TV at all?
Trevi Moran
Like, no, not really. The only time I ever got back in reality TV was for the Love island, like, the recent season.
Tana Mongeau
Well, it's people from, like, a bunch of different shows. But Traders is just good. It's very, like, themed. It's like. What's his name? Alan. Alan Cumming is the host.
Trevi Moran
Crazy.
Tana Mongeau
And it's just so. Yeah, everything's fabulous and I think you would love it. But Tom Sandoval, like, obviously, he was just, like, such a villain. Everybody hated him so much after the whole situation, and he went on that. And he's just so goofy and stupid on the show that everyone just feels bad for him. And they were all like, we love him.
Trevi Moran
And everyone also loved Wendy, right?
Tana Mongeau
Yeah. Oh, yes. But that's so valid.
Benny Drama
I've been watching overcompensating this past.
Trevi Moran
I started it.
Tana Mongeau
What is this?
Benny Drama
Well, it's so cool because Benito Skinner, like, Benny Drama. You, like. Do you know his skits? Like, remember when he was, like, doing all those skits with Kourtney Kardashian and, like, being so funny and, like, he's just, like, a talented comedian and, like, writer, really. And he just released the show, and it's all about him going into college, but being gay and in the closet still and just showing how everyone's overcompensating to, like, be something that they're not. And there's just craz. Lottie Moss is weirdly in it. I just found out today Charli XCX is, like, in an episode, and it's just, like, very. I don't know. It's very funny. At first I kind of thought it was a little bit corny, but then.
Trevi Moran
It, like, I did too, but it's like, camp. And then you, like, realize that you have to, like, adjust to the vibe.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
What I find to be fabulous about that show is that, like, it seems that major studios are, like, recognizing what can come from digital talent. From digital talent. And it's, like, such a major success. And I think that's just gonna open so many doors for so many amaz, like, writers and, you know, anybody that's, like, funny and puts themselves out there on social media.
Benny Drama
And I get what you're saying, like, so many people being deemed by the overcast of being an influencer. So, like, not getting cast for things or, you know, like, taken seriously.
Tana Mongeau
I kind of think those days are, like, over. What days of, like, influencers not being taken seriously in, like, the.
Benny Drama
Yeah, like, I think society show that just came out.
Tana Mongeau
Adults.
Trevi Moran
Okay. Has, like, Jackie on it.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah. I don't know. I say in and in and Owen Thiel. What's it called adults.
Benny Drama
I need. I just think he's so funny.
Tana Mongeau
I. I've heard amazing things about it. I need to watch it all the way through. But I just know Owen. I'm obsessed with Owen. But they're. They're influencers.
Benny Drama
Yeah. That's so good.
Tana Mongeau
Funny, like. Like tick tockers. Jack was like a. He did like, he was acting.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Talk. So funny.
Benny Drama
So funny. But yeah. I remember sliding in, trying failing.
Tana Mongeau
Me too.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, I actually did too. No, wait, hold on.
Benny Drama
What a niche. Funny thing for all of us to have tried to slide in on Jackie feeling him anyway. He kind of looks like Aaron.
Tana Mongeau
You're hot.
Benny Drama
Yeah. Literally, we all did that.
Trevi Moran
We all slid in.
Benny Drama
That's. I wonder how many other people we've all slid in the DMS of.
Trevi Moran
Oh, I love this game.
Tana Mongeau
So many. Anyone with a mustache like that I've slid in, you just can assume we.
Benny Drama
Got that thing on them, that caterpillar.
Tana Mongeau
On like literally every single member of those bananas. Who are the bananas? The baseball players. Savannah Bananas.
Trevi Moran
Wait, that's a team name?
Tana Mongeau
Yes. And they do lip syncing tiktoks in the stadium.
Benny Drama
Oh, yeah. Oh, and they're like singing Ordinary running to the fields. Yeah. Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, it's amazing.
Benny Drama
It happens. I really want to talk about Labubus.
Tana Mongeau
Okay.
Trevi Moran
I just talked about this on mine. I don't understand.
Benny Drama
That's valid.
Tana Mongeau
I'll tell you what I'm gathering from it. Well, pretty much how I handle everything in life is like, does everybody else do it? Like, then I'll do it right. I'm very much like, my friends jumped off a cliff. So I jumped off a cliff.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
I saw everybody get it. Like, there was a hype. So now I'm obsessed.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. But is that not everything that's wrong with society?
Tana Mongeau
Yeah, of course. Of course.
Trevi Moran
Like 1,000%. And I love the self awareness. That's major T. But I just am thinking of like, I was at that gentle monster event and like, there were a list, like influencers with millions of dollars. Mind you, there's Labubus hanging off Birkins.
Benny Drama
I know. I was saying that like it's camp. I don't. But I had it on this bag and I was just like, damn. This is actually depreciating the look of like, my. My bag.
Tana Mongeau
By the time this comes out, no one knows what Labubu's on.
Benny Drama
No, I know. And it's crazy. I opened up Tick Tock Shop the other day and I'm like, I love Tick Tock Shop for Just like random things. Like a good neck pillow. Like, you know what I mean? And I'm scrolling and every single item is backpack for Labubu with mini Labubu.
Trevi Moran
In backpack and then Labubu hanging off the mini Labubu.
Benny Drama
Yeah. Like, just like the boo Boo. And I'm like, people are actually making like, I'm about to start a little Boo Boo side business.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah. I have a friend who owns a Labubu store.
Benny Drama
Yeah. And it's so smart.
Tana Mongeau
It's genius.
Trevi Moran
Like an actual store.
Tana Mongeau
Well started. She was a sunny angel business. And now she's dabbling in the boo Boos.
Trevi Moran
Wow.
Tana Mongeau
I think I have Tula Fufus.
Trevi Moran
But wait, that's another. That's an actual thing.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah, just fake Labubos.
Trevi Moran
Oh, like a lot of them are fake. Or. Or like, like putting like fo. You got it. Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Like a Walmart. Birkin.
Benny Drama
A Firkin.
Trevi Moran
A Firkin.
Benny Drama
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Tana Mongeau
Yeah, I Was there yesterday, and it was crazy. Like, people. It was all day, but, like, around the fucking all of Beverly Hills, they.
Benny Drama
Camped for, like, 12 hours.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
Like 6:00pm to, like, the next day. Like, 9:00am so longer. And, like, they. They made videos of it, which is, like, great and whatever. But I'm thinking there are so many people in this line that are just. Just doing it for. No. Like, they just want to labubu that bad.
Tana Mongeau
I'm so confused. Are you allowed to get. How many are you allowed to buy?
Benny Drama
They only, like. I think it's like, four per person.
Tana Mongeau
And then we all that time. And they could have just gone on ebay, I guess.
Benny Drama
But then it's because they like, their secret labubus, where only, like, one in every 72 is the special kind and it can be resold for so much money. And then there's the big laboos. I forget what they're called. The giant ones. Like, the big big.
Trevi Moran
Is this, like, the gays and they bitcoin. Whoa. Like, is this gonna be, like, real estate? Like, our are like. Or is this like, the gays and they're not bitcoin? I think this is, like, Pokemon cord. Oh, cord card.
Benny Drama
NFTs is so real. Like, because, like, when they're gonna be.
Tana Mongeau
Worth nothing, like, everyone's spending all this money, and it's like, your lefoufu is good for nothing.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I mean, this is just giving me, like, webkinz tease.
Tana Mongeau
Like, I know.
Benny Drama
I just love. You know what it is?
Tana Mongeau
I think Rihanna just had one, and everyone is like, oh, obviously we all need these.
Benny Drama
And now I'm like, I have a meeting with, like, a bag charm manufacturer this week because I'm like, how the fudge do I capitalize?
Tana Mongeau
Bag charms aren't going away. They've been around long before.
Benny Drama
But if you think about it, a little boo boo is just a, like, a bag charm. Like, theoretically, like, all that.
Tana Mongeau
I'm saying it's not a bad idea to take the meeting.
Benny Drama
Yeah. But I'm saying, like, I want to, like, make my own and then, like, seed it into, like, celebrities and, like, do my best to, like, because that's all that happened here. But it's. It is also just sad. Like, I feel like we are at, like, this consumerist.
Trevi Moran
Like, I have an idea height. What if it was, like, a chain hanging off, like, your bag, but it was, like, to hold your vape, like, a little.
Benny Drama
I was talking about that. A vape holder, a joint holder or something. But it would have to be, like, A little creature, I think due to.
Tana Mongeau
I've been having a lot of disappointment because I've been having a lot of like, like Golden Shark Tank ideas where I'm like, oh, my God, I'm about to be a billionaire. And then I'll just look it up online and it exists.
Benny Drama
Can you tell me one of them?
Tana Mongeau
One of them. Like, specifically, I've been carrying, like, big hobo bags a lot. And like, also specifically, when I'm wearing a jacket, if I, like, I'm walking down the street, it just slides off my arm all day long. Yeah. I wanted, like, a little rubber thing here to like, make it so that it doesn't.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Like, just so exists. And I. But I was telling everyone and they were like, you are a genius. Literally, it's gonna be amazing. And I feel like that happens.
Benny Drama
God, I love Shark Tank, though.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I watched on an airplane recently. That's it.
Tana Mongeau
You know, that I heard. So you know how, like, Shark Tank turned down Ring or whatever, and then Ring became his multi billion dollar company. The guy my boyfriend was showing me next to his parents house. They. The guy who owns Ring bought an entire neighborhood, like an entire gated community of like, multi. Multi million dollar houses. And it just put up all his friends in there. So it's just like the whole neighborhood is just like his people that he made.
Benny Drama
That's my goal.
Trevi Moran
That's the. I know that's your goal. You love to take care of your people, right?
Benny Drama
My codependency.
Tana Mongeau
I would live, but it's not cool. Who would you guys put on your compound?
Benny Drama
Oh, my God. In your neighborhood, I would make you my next door neighbor.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
Anything closest.
Tana Mongeau
Who's. Who's sharing a wall? Like, who's.
Trevi Moran
I don't think we could share a wall, but we could share a neighborhood.
Tana Mongeau
I'm saying, like, like, who's right next door and who's like a few steps down the street?
Benny Drama
Huh? Oh, my God, this is hard. This is so hard. Trevi's next door to Me, I think.
Trevi Moran
I feel like you'd want, like, maybe.
Benny Drama
Steps down the street.
Tana Mongeau
Maybe get like, a bunch of, like, specific limes.
Trevi Moran
Lime.
Tana Mongeau
I love liming.
Benny Drama
Did you just sing Lime in the Tone of Bozzy's Mind?
Trevi Moran
Yeah, it's in our Mexico video.
Benny Drama
That's where we're at. Where's Bozzie these days?
Trevi Moran
I don't know.
Tana Mongeau
At the Roxy.
Benny Drama
Oh, my God. I was texting this girl the other day to collab on only fans, and then I made a group chat with her boyfriend. And then her boyfriend is like, I have the perfect location for you guys to shoot. And I'm like, okay. And he sends photos, and it's just the Roxy. Who.
Tana Mongeau
Who is it? Who's the girl?
Benny Drama
Young Gravy and Ari. Kids. Yeah, but it's. I was just like, what do you. I guess if Only Fans is for, like, a male fantasy. Like, being in, like, a dive. Like, it does kind of work. Like, we're like, playing pool or whatever. But I also.
Tana Mongeau
There's, like, ought to be an easier way to find a pool table.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. Where was I just at the. Had a pool table. Oh, no. But what if you just did it? What if you rented out Barneys? That would be so.
Benny Drama
Oh, like a big. Like a Barney's Beanery homage. But then I'd have to get all.
Trevi Moran
The Barney's wrath whole on table. Like, rent it out just in a crew.
Benny Drama
It would work.
Trevi Moran
In the beanery.
Benny Drama
Honestly, that's everything for someone that. But I feel like that's almost like a. Like, Tari Yummy needs to rent out Barney's Beanery and, like, do a photo shoot, you know, like, probably already has. Yeah. Because that's, like, so iconic. I don't know. Doing of today. I was literally, like, sweating. I was like, I can't believe I used to just do this all the time.
Tana Mongeau
Try being an influencer for a day.
Benny Drama
I know.
Trevi Moran
Being an influencer.
Benny Drama
I know. It's. I just. It really is. Like, we were talking about this on stage, but, like, it arching your back and like, just like, even like I walked out in the lingerie. I was shooting in a. Cole was like, I've never seen this. And I was like, oh, I'm the worst.
Tana Mongeau
Because you ever. Like, I'm never. I've never, like, unironically worn lingerie, though. But I wish I was the type. I kind of feel like lingerie is one of those people things that if you don't, like, implement it early on, like, you never.
Trevi Moran
It's never going to come back and it's going to be, like, weird.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
If I just, like, spontaneously, like, popped out in lingerie, I think my boyfriend would be like, what?
Trevi Moran
He's like, take off your clothes. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Benny Drama
It's like one of those things. You have to be in the rhythm of the comfortability of it. Otherwise, if you just around and do it once, you're like, why the do I have this on?
Tana Mongeau
Well, I almost, like, I think I might be too comfortable to where I could never take myself seriously because I want to be like. Like, yeah, I.
Trevi Moran
How do you just, like, come out of the bathroom and you're just like, right.
Tana Mongeau
I've never.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Logistics. Like, am I laying there? What if it takes a long. A long time to come? I don't know.
Benny Drama
I honestly agree. And I've never, like, oh, my God. One time when I was dating, like, Valentine's Day, and I had on this crazy lingerie, like, garb. Like, latex looking back, like, scary, like, garb. And he, like, he walked out, and I remember he was, like, scared. Like, I. And I think. I think I, like, said something or. I don't even remember. I don't know what happened.
Trevi Moran
Was this at home?
Benny Drama
Yes. And then it was just, like, super. I think he, like, couldn't get hard for a second, and I was like, what's wrong? And he was like, I'm just nervous. Like, I wasn't expecting this. Like, actually scared the man.
Tana Mongeau
No, that's scary. Like, you put too much pressure on him too fast.
Benny Drama
Yes. Which is so. You know what else I was talking about the other day with, like, found funny we've never podcasted about.
Trevi Moran
You were talking about With.
Benny Drama
No, talking about. Yeah, I said that, but that's not.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, got it.
Benny Drama
No, I was just talking about this.
Trevi Moran
Being your publicist.
Benny Drama
I was talking about how when I broke up with him and mind you for cheating on me, like, I break up with him, and in his final exit days, he aired me the out. Like, I remember he went to, like, I'm gonna bleep this name. But he goes to, like, tana thinks you are so stupid. Like, she talks about your work ethic all the time. Like, you. Like, you can't get it together. Like, on his way out, he told everybody.
Trevi Moran
I think he even came to me respectable.
Tana Mongeau
Like, not respectable, but, like, such a funny thing to do. Like, I would love to do that to somebody who.
Benny Drama
Yeah, that. He's like, if I'm on, if I'm on my way out, I'm just gonna air everybody out. And it's like, obviously, your boyfriend hears everything that you feel about everyone every time. You know what I mean? I was like, damn. Like, not only did he wait, but on his way out. Huh?
Tana Mongeau
I think he DM me that and you.
Benny Drama
Right.
Trevi Moran
I think he just told me that you thought I was an alcoholic. And I said, big whoop.
Tana Mongeau
I just went to, like, rack my brain because I'm like, I know someone's done that to me before. And I'm like, was it.
Benny Drama
I don't think it was because we.
Trevi Moran
Weren'T close during that time in like 2018, 2019.
Benny Drama
I really have, like, I mean, obviously, you know, just all of the people I've dated are so nuts. Like I'm imagining if like Makoa doing something like that and he never, you know what I mean?
Tana Mongeau
But I, I'm glad I thought about that because I'm like, somebody did that.
Trevi Moran
What do you, what do you think made the switch of like going crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy and then just like. Because obviously throughout that entire time, you could land on like a mentally sane man.
Benny Drama
And I did. There were a few where I like, I did like just that I feel like I would like just be like, this guy's so boring.
Trevi Moran
That's what I'm saying.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
I'm saying that like, even if you did get in those situations with these like so called mentally sane men, like, what do you think it was about, like, accepting that. Cause I have that same problem that I'm just now like trying to get over where it's like, I don't want to go after somebody who I almost feel like is gonna like instantly like shower me in like niceness and love. It's like I almost love like a chase moment.
Benny Drama
Mm.
Trevi Moran
Where did you like, find that, like, I guess for both of you that like landing on like the sane one.
Benny Drama
I do feel like Makoa is like special to this scenario because he's also very interesting.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, I know he is.
Benny Drama
Like, and just like, yeah, a lot of them were like, too boring and too nice. Like, you gotta have some grit for me to like, like you. But I think there's a difference in like some grit versus like, this man just doesn't care if I live or die.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
And that's what it was. I think I really realized, like, damn, I do want to like, progress. Like, I just eventually it's like, it's like drug use, it's like alcohol use. You keep dating those fucking shitty men. And like.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah, but I know what you're saying though, because like, like, honestly we talked about it in real time on this podcast because like Miles, for example, he's not uninteresting. But like, instantly I was off put by like how easy it was and how nice he was.
Trevi Moran
Right. And then I question it when I'm like in scenarios like that because it's like, why is this so eas?
Tana Mongeau
I was trying to find every way to sabotage it, like literally ever. Because I was like that. It just like, it felt so unnatural to me for somebody to just like actually Be interested and actually be nice and actually do the things I wanted.
Trevi Moran
Them to do in this city, too.
Tana Mongeau
And, like, I needed, like, the push and pull. And so it took her being like, brooke, like, give it a fair chance. Like, do not blow it off over something stupid. I was like. I was convincing myself so hard. I kept going, he won't get on a horse. And I just know that, like, the man who I'm going to marry is going to get on a horse.
Benny Drama
That's so funny. Like, that is because I remember actually having to, like, look at you and, like, you're saying that, and I'm like, okay, what. What is the deeper meaning here?
Tana Mongeau
It's not natural. Especially when you're used to, like, putting yourself in situations with guys like that who are so awful. That's how I was. It just felt literally wrong. And then, like, the second I, like, leaned in, it's like I spent just enough time with him where I was like, oh, now I can't. I don't want to get out of this ever.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
And I think that, like, chaos. We talked about this recently, briefly on an episode. But A, chaos is a coping mechanism, but also B, like, choosing. Choosing somebody where, you know the capacity of how they're probably going to hurt you is safer than truly vulnerably falling and, like, giving somebody all the millions of ways to actually hurt you and hold your whole heart and, like, drop it. You know what I mean? Like, it's. I think that for so long, I would choose people that I subconsciously, too, like, not even, like, actively I was subconsciously choosing someone who I had to, like, chase and beg for them to love me, because that was, like, what I knew from my childhood and what was like. And it felt safer to me because I know how I'm going to get hurt.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
You know, like, versus with Nicole, like, right now, if that man did Wizard Liz, my ass, I would. Oh, my God.
Trevi Moran
Like, you guys talk about that yet?
Benny Drama
Yeah, only a little bit.
Trevi Moran
That's just. Yeah.
Benny Drama
Yeah, that's just. What's nuts is that you never fully know, and you have to kind of accept that. That, like, real loving and trusting is going to be, like, a gamble. But life is short.
Trevi Moran
I mean, our coping mechanisms might be a little bit different, but, like, I. I don't have a problem with vulnerability or, like, speaking my truth or, like, my emotions or anything. I think I just have a problem with, like, cool girling it too hard and, like, being afraid of being vulnerable because I feel like when I am vulnerable is when Things fail.
Benny Drama
Well, that's like a natural. Yeah. That's natural to feel that way. But I think it's better. Paige made a tick tock about this where she was like, I spent so much of my life being the cool girl.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
And like the chill girl. And it's. And it's so real. Like, it's. It's so real because it's like you want this person to like you and you want to be so cool. But I think that the like, matter of fact, like the truth of the matter is, like, if they're gonna like you, they're gonna like you no matter what, you know?
Trevi Moran
Yeah. You might as well for all of.
Benny Drama
You and like call people out, crash the out, like demand what you want, you know?
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
Like it's. I think it saves everybody a lot of time. I think that's also it too is it's just like if that whoever the person is is not the one, then like, so be it. Like, you know, I think it's better to learn as early as you can.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
You know.
Trevi Moran
Right.
Tana Mongeau
Like weed them out. Like, why? I don't know. Playing all the games and stuff you, like, might lock somebody in for too long who's not supposed to be there.
Trevi Moran
This is why I get so much anxiety too. Like just going on tick tock and like scrolling. And I feel like there's so many that just like try to give such like Gen Z ass relationship advice.
Tana Mongeau
Black cat.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. Like, have you tried the blank blank method? Like the diamond method? And it's like they're gonna come back and blah blah, blah. And it's like ignore and then like match the end. I'm just like, no formula.
Benny Drama
There's no O method. There's no witch spells. In my opinion, Manifesturbation. Yeah. Manifestation.
Tana Mongeau
Do you guys believe in that?
Benny Drama
I tried it one time, but then I was just jacking off to the thought of Chelsea Handler and I. This is weird as well.
Trevi Moran
And then she came on the show.
Tana Mongeau
And so that was manifestation.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
Damn. No, but it might have been after the wrong person. I don't know.
Trevi Moran
We were just talking about me and T the other day that like, have you ever experienced that, like, if you're somewhat in a happy position in your life or like moving on or with somebody that makes you really happy, that like all of a sudden, like within the same like week, you have like five people trying to come back into your life.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, 100 always.
Benny Drama
Even just like, like clockwork. Even with career, like, if you're doing really good in your career, Other people. Like, I. But I, like, I always equate it to this. It's like a mental image to me that, like, you are rising up and there's all these people who knew a past version of you and still feel entitled to that. And they're doing this, like, you know what I mean? Trying to climb up, like, latch on and, like, go with you. And it's so wild that, like. Yeah, it's. But it's hard. I don't know, it just like, it'd be easier to succumb and.
Trevi Moran
Oh, and is it like an energy thing, though, or.
Tana Mongeau
It's like literally like a sixth sense or something? I swear, some.
Trevi Moran
There's been five.
Tana Mongeau
Sometimes I'm like, you. How do you even know that things are going well?
Trevi Moran
Yeah, I didn't post. I just posted a hot selfie, Right? Yeah, there's been like five people, including this, like, one finance dude that I used to talk about on my podcast. Like, I was cool crashing out over this. Man, what year was this? It was like 2023. It was this, like, finance, obviously. Anyone that works in finance, no shade, but it never really ends well. Especially like. Especially for a doll or a trans girl. Like just anyone who works in a really insane masculine environment. Like, they're all, like, hearing from their friends, like, just what to do, what not to do. Like, men are just the ultimate, like, definition of, like, trying to suck each other's ass all at the same time.
Benny Drama
That's also an archetype that can't happen. Is the guy who is so influenced by his bros, well, they all are.
Trevi Moran
Brave male validation more than women validation. It's scary, but, yeah, I find it so strange. And I think that's like, what one of the harder parts about someone like me is dating is because, like, you can have like a friend group of six fucking people. And mind you, like, three of them could be in my DMs, but like. And this is like based off of a true story, but, like, then all six of them are like sitting around, fuck snoozing out. Like, like, literally talking shit about, like, anything to do with like an LGB or a T. And like, at the same time, they're like 6 foot 5 and like these like, big, big fucking. And they're like, asking me to peg them and I'm just. No, like.
Benny Drama
And that's such a wild, like, juxtaposition too, because it's like, you're asking me to do that.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
And like, it's almost dominate you. And then like, yeah, I wonder what that is. Maybe they just feel so compelled and like deeply insecure in them having to fake the. Fake the masculinity that they then need the exact OPP feed. They need to feel the exact opposite. Because that's what a lot of people's kinks are, right?
Trevi Moran
Like the to like be like direct.
Benny Drama
Opposite of however they present.
Trevi Moran
That's mine. I mean I feel like I come across as a powerful person. I think in the bedroom. I like to not be that.
Benny Drama
I agree. Love being submissive.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
I.
Trevi Moran
Starfish like, not kidding. Starfish to heaven.
Tana Mongeau
I live for it.
Benny Drama
I need to like spice things up though. I've been getting too comfortable.
Tana Mongeau
I'm getting like, like, well, I just don't want to. Like we're not even married. I'm like, I can't just be like giving up. But like, no, but it is. You don't fix it. I'm like, I want to just.
Benny Drama
I know, I know. That's what it is. It's like you get into this like, yeah. Just like routine of the things that work and like they tell like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Like whatever. But like I need to get a spreader bar up in here. Like I need to. It's just hard. I feel like I've healed a lot of my demons. Like for so long I was so like, I need to be Cirque du Soleil. And now I'm like fun.
Tana Mongeau
It can be like explorative. I had a friend growing up who. Her parents were sexy sex therapists.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
And like their whole job was like to like re. Light up people's sex or sex lives again. And I'm like, wow, how cool is that?
Benny Drama
Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
Tana Mongeau
Like as a 50 year old, all of a sudden you get, you're like, we need a swing.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. Now from.
Benny Drama
Oh, I thought you meant like to swing, but you mean like a swing.
Tana Mongeau
A swing.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, from the chandelier.
Benny Drama
Uh huh.
Trevi Moran
There was, I would say a couple months ago. I just remember this story like this, this is the same exact thing that I was saying earlier, but like 6 foot 8, like pro basketball player with like a clothing line and everything. Like it was on and he was in LA for something. He was trying to meet up with me and I was just like honestly being like a major bitch to him just because I normally know how it goes with athletes. And he gives me his number and I FaceTime him and we just like start talking. It was very, very, very normal. He started saying like, really, really disappointing things to me. He was like, I don't know, like, I really want to take you out on a date, but I'm like, so torn. And I'm like, you literally. And I was like, ignoring.
Benny Drama
Also, why the fuck do people think it's okay to say things like that to other cats?
Tana Mongeau
I almost feel like they think it's like complimentary.
Trevi Moran
Like, I mean, I didn't take it as such, but like, I can see that. But basically, like, like, that's a draft. That's a drag. Like, for real. And it was just like, mind you, like, this person sent me like six messages. I ignored every single one of them until, like, I finally did. And then it's like, now you're torn. No, you want to be torn, but.
Tana Mongeau
Basically, yeah, like, you're forcing.
Trevi Moran
No, can't believe it. And it's like, I remember during that facetime, he was like, I asked him, I was like, why are you torn? And he's like, well, I just feel like this would ruin my career. And I literally said to him, mind you, I still had more followers than him, so, like, gaggot. But I literally go, you know what, honey? I'm like, if you ever were to be seen with me, I promise it would just make your career so much better.
Benny Drama
Man, that's so crazy to be so conditioned to like.
Trevi Moran
But yeah, think that he's like, my clothing brand is gonna go under. And I'm like, you're literally insane.
Benny Drama
And you're also selling Gildan screen printed T shirts with like, mind you, chrome hearts font. You know what I mean? It's just. I don't think that that's. It's so weird. It's so weird.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. But that's also just the conditioning of the boys. Like, I feel like this is what people talk about in like, their groups of like, talking down on other men who do that. And then it's like, little do they know. Like, half of them do that.
Benny Drama
Yeah, it's so.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah, it's like if they all were just honest with each other, it's like, yeah, we. We all love her.
Trevi Moran
It would be easy for them.
Tana Mongeau
Compare notes.
Trevi Moran
Everyone's lives would be easier. But yeah, I don't know. That just came to me. But I just thought it was really interesting.
Benny Drama
It's so interesting. What do you feel like? I don't know, like, what, what is your vetting process and seeing if someone is progressive or just like antiquated?
Trevi Moran
I really was starting to, like, talk to older people because I thought that that would help No, I almost feel.
Tana Mongeau
Like it would be the opposite.
Trevi Moran
Worse. Like anyone in their 30s or like, borderline like. Like it's closer to traditional values than.
Benny Drama
It is like, their generation.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I think people on, like, the younger side of Gen Z even, or people my age, I tried to do that's just so hard.
Benny Drama
Cause then.
Trevi Moran
No, then it's.
Benny Drama
Then you're missing frontal lobe.
Trevi Moran
No, I know. And I. And I hate. I hate doing that, obviously, but I'm just like. And I'm fine being alone. I'm a very, like, hybrid mix of introvert and extrovert. But I. I don't know. I tried doing the older, like the, like, wealthy, like, mid-30s. And it's like, it's the same tea as like Mr. Basketball where it's just like, I'll wine and dine and like it, but no one will can know. And it's just like, it's so. I'm like, I'm hottest.
Benny Drama
And you are also like, so just who you are. You're. You are meant to be shown off. You are, like the funniest, most. Like, you are the furthest thing from a secret. You know what I mean?
Trevi Moran
Like, I think what really scares them too, though, and I didn't really take this into account until recently, but, like, not only if someone's never dated a trans woman before and been public about it, like a trans woman who's been on the Internet for 15 years as.
Benny Drama
A public figure, like that all I'm hearing is icon.
Trevi Moran
No, I know, but to them, that would be so scary.
Benny Drama
Yeah. And I mean, the Internet of it all is just like, it's so scary. I like, like, do you just have the type of guy sometimes who is like, I don't want to end up on your podcast.
Trevi Moran
So I was just about to say that to you. I was like, I have so many people say that. Like, I don't want you talking about me on your social media. I don't want you talking about me on your podcast. And it's like, well, then don't up.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah, sometimes I'm like, bold of you to assume, like, you're not that special.
Benny Drama
Yeah. 100 at. Unless you do some weird. Yeah, I was thinking about. Yeah, if you do some weird. I'm sorry. If you don't want to write a bad song written, you know, like, don't do bad things. Yeah, it's so true. I was just thinking about that guy the other day that I was going on hinge dates with for a second. Remember when we were talking about. Yes. And he, like, showed up to where I was. Yes. And then, like, kept sending me photos of, like, deli meat. Why did. Why did he get brought up?
Trevi Moran
Because I saw him on oh. And I go, is this the one that was sending you deli meat? Just.
Benny Drama
What a strange thing to do. Like, you've been on two hinge dates with someone, and then you just start sending them cold cuts.
Tana Mongeau
Wait, like, I didn't know he was sending you deli meat.
Benny Drama
Yeah, he was sending me cold cuts.
Trevi Moran
That's awesome.
Tana Mongeau
And then with context or.
Benny Drama
No, no. Like, I wouldn't reply to his text, and then he would just be sending me, like. And not even, like, some, like, peppered turkey. Like, you know, physically sending it to you.
Tana Mongeau
Or, like, pictures.
Benny Drama
No pictures to the doorstep. Oh, but, like, what are you doing later? I don't respond three hours later. Cold cuts. You're sending me cold cuts?
Trevi Moran
Yeah. That's so. Like, that's on some army hammer shit.
Benny Drama
I, like, want to find it just to, like, Let me see if I can really quick.
Tana Mongeau
One time, a guy sent me, like, a thousand zip ties in the mail.
Trevi Moran
What?
Tana Mongeau
And it's like, someone you would know. Like, not, like, bleep it, but maybe he was just like, oh, delicious, but it's raw. Well, had you guys ever talked about it before?
Benny Drama
Like, no. Did he ever tell you contextually why he was sending zip ties?
Tana Mongeau
No, but we ran into. Not ran into him. Like, we went to a comedy show, and he was there, and I got kicked out, and I was like, oh, my God, now I'm gonna have to ask him to let me back in.
Trevi Moran
No. Why'd you get kicked out?
Tana Mongeau
Taking a picture.
Benny Drama
Can I say that I regret ever talking about.
Tana Mongeau
Yes, I regret you having talked about.
Benny Drama
What did you say that he DM'd.
Tana Mongeau
Me that and that he was hitting on her when he has a wife.
Benny Drama
I mean, he DM me fire emojis about, like, my. Like, you look fire with the brunette or fire with the hair. So here I am talking about him. I love him.
Tana Mongeau
I don't even.
Benny Drama
I don't.
Tana Mongeau
Maybe I'm bad, but I'm like. I don't feel like that's, like, If.
Benny Drama
Makoa was DMing a girl that he knew at the same level that I knew him that I knew.
Tana Mongeau
Okay. Please don't do it again. I love him.
Benny Drama
I know. No, I know, but I mean, like, I can't defend the action. It was crazy.
Tana Mongeau
I don't know. I guess because I would, like, probably say that to somebody if, like, they Posted something and I'd be like, oh, my God, it looks so good.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. Straight men, though.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
A little different.
Tana Mongeau
I just love, like, comedian podcasts.
Trevi Moran
I feel like Christina P. She's married to Tom Segura.
Benny Drama
Oh, does she have a podcast?
Trevi Moran
I think they both do together. Yeah.
Benny Drama
Oh, I need to listen now. I was trying to listen to Tom Sugar and Bert Kreischer' the other night.
Tana Mongeau
What is that, Two Bears or.
Benny Drama
Yeah. I don't know if I just picked a funny episode, but they were getting IVs and it was just Bert Kreisler talking to the IV nurse the entire time. And I was like, this is so me in, like, 2020.
Tana Mongeau
You know what I always think is some people's formats on their podcasts are so interesting. Like, the Toast. Like, Claudia will do an episode of the Toast without Jackie, her sister, and then Jackie will do one without Claudia, and they just, like, it'll just be the toast. Regardless.
Benny Drama
Someone was just pitching that to me, like, the other day. Like, if we did like that, like, one week, you, one week, me, one.
Tana Mongeau
I couldn't handle the drop in views.
Trevi Moran
No. Yeah, I don't.
Benny Drama
I don't think that would be the case, but I was just like, how weird. Like, that just feels like. Then really, like, pitting.
Tana Mongeau
No.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Strange. But remember when we did the first half episode and second half?
Trevi Moran
Oh, I loved that episode.
Tana Mongeau
It was honestly a lot of fun.
Benny Drama
Yeah. That is fun. Like, for being out of town and. Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
But it's like. It's crazy. Like, you can really do whatever you want.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. And you can switch whenever you want.
Benny Drama
Yeah. I was six feet above going, I love Kate.
Trevi Moran
So we just signed to a network, so I'm really happy about it.
Benny Drama
Are you excited to be more locked in?
Trevi Moran
Like, contractually, I have to be.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
Which is, like, a good. I love that remix. I was gonna say I love that because it gives me a little bit more sense of. I do well with, like, pushes. Like, I always do great at, like, last minute. I always do great with the time crunch. I always do great with the contract. So sometimes I think, like, having a podcast and showing up every week and, like, being still in. I still would say we're in our developing stages. Like, we have our format down and, like, we have our great dynamic. But, like, I think with what I want to do with it, it's not anywhere near what I want to do with it, but. Whoa.
Benny Drama
Can you give me, like, just tell me a little.
Trevi Moran
Well, I just want to just. I want to redo the set I want to have more gaggy guests on and just I want to start being a little bit more controversial on there.
Benny Drama
Really.
Trevi Moran
I think sometimes I'm a bit neutral and yeah, Reddit doesn't like it. I started reading Reddit.
Benny Drama
No.
Tana Mongeau
Why would you do such a thing?
Trevi Moran
I don't know. Because they made a subreddit for it. So then I just like. And then they're like all picking on me and I'm like, okay, get off of there.
Benny Drama
I know you have to get off of there.
Trevi Moran
It's so bad.
Benny Drama
You. But I mean, you and I are very similar. Like, you know, all of us, we love, like you'll, we love hurting ourselves sometimes.
Trevi Moran
But here's era, here's the thing about Reddit and to the Redditors, hey, I.
Benny Drama
Love you if you're being nice over there, but I won't be seeing you.
Trevi Moran
I will try not to be seeing you. But I've been on the Internet for 15 years. I've been told the most insane things of my life. I've been told, you know, the best things in my life. You know, I've seen it all. People have told me everything. But I think what's so different about Reddit is that like, it is full blown essays and context and like almost to a point where it's sometimes constructive criticism can be like, nice, like when there's a mentally stable person on Reddit, but like, that's also the gamble that you're going in for.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah, I got like a little bit in a mess because I was on there a lot of the time being like, this is valuable information. Like I like to know the opinions, what's working, what's not working and stuff.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
But somewhere along the way it just, it's not like it doesn't matter how constructive or even if it's nice, it's not normal. And it's not good for anybody to.
Benny Drama
Like, I would hire like an employee to read it all and then bring me a docket of the most important public opinion.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
To then like maybe work on. But I think a lot of the.
Tana Mongeau
Like, you know, there is that and that is whatever is so. People are so passionate about that, it makes it off of Reddit.
Benny Drama
Yeah, that's so true, actually.
Tana Mongeau
And now, yeah, that's the thing. I don't have to go on Reddit anymore because I can just open my tick tock comments. There's no difference.
Benny Drama
It's just interesting. And it is like, I'll agree. Like, even when it started, I was like, how cool we have a Reddit thread, and then it's like, yeah, I don't.
Tana Mongeau
And then.
Benny Drama
But then you get in the psychological thing where you do convince yourself that these are, like, your fans that you're, like, disappointing and. Or, like, your fans that you're at, like, whatever. And I think I had to, like, really recenter that, where I'm like, damn. Like, once I see a thread about the way I look, sound, act, respond, dress, and live all from the same person, it's like, oh, they're just not gonna be happy with me regardless.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, sorry. No, I was just gonna say that I don't think that, like, I get more affected by, like, people talking about the way that I look. I get more so.
Benny Drama
Well, yeah, that's the next.
Trevi Moran
When people comment on, like, the way that, like, I act.
Benny Drama
Yeah, well, and then you start micro changing them all, and, you know, six months later you're like, I'm acting like, a completely different. Different on camera. And that's just, like, what's scary.
Tana Mongeau
I think I also put so much of my value in, like, my pers. How I feel about myself is completely based on personality.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
And so, like, people come for your personality. It's horrible. But that did piss me off when everyone was doing the whole plastic surgery stuff, because everyone's like, you must hate yourself if you do this, this, and this. And I'm like, like, no, really, it's my personality that I hate so much. Just kidding. Like, but if I. If I'm, like, in a phase where I'm, like, so insecure, it's never been like, oh, I hate how I look.
Benny Drama
Yeah, that's true. That's true. It's like, am I a bad person?
Tana Mongeau
Yeah. Or it's like, am I annoying? Am I a pick me? Am I like this? Yeah, that's when you get insecure. Not because I'm.
Benny Drama
What else do we have? Like, what else could we.
Trevi Moran
I feel like I'm not being funny. I'm so sorry.
Benny Drama
No, we don't ask which I like. Yeah, but I was gonna ask you about sobriety.
Trevi Moran
Okay.
Benny Drama
But then that's, like, so serious.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, it's hilarious, actually. I love being face down in an alley.
Benny Drama
I don't. But I don't know where I was gonna go.
Trevi Moran
Should we do manic or mother?
Benny Drama
Oh, my. That's what I couldn't think of the other day. Manic or mother? That's what they were saying about Bethenny Frankel in that chicken shop.
Tana Mongeau
Wait, did you guys see Bethany Frankel on the Runway?
Trevi Moran
Yeah. Manic or mother. That was mother.
Benny Drama
That was so mother. Yeah, it's so w. You know what's crazy, though, is I was seeing comments on that of people being like, this just shows you that life doesn't end when you're. You know what I mean? When you're 35. And I'm like. Like, yeah, like a. Yes. But I'm saying, like, you're also only saying that because she, like, looks amazing.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
Like, you know what I mean? If it was like. Like somebody who maybe looked a little more, I don't know, a little more 54. Yes. Is that how old she is? That's crazy that people wouldn't be saying that. That people wouldn't be saying this. Well, maybe they would. I don't know. I'm in this phase where I'm just, like. I see so much negativity on Tick Tock where I'm like.
Tana Mongeau
I just, like. I can't. With people say, like, the amount of times in a day I get an insult. That's like. And you're pushing 30. Like, that's, like, the craziest, worst thing to possibly be is 30.
Benny Drama
I never want to be 21 again.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah. And also, like, what a. What a privilege to grow old.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
And it's just those 30.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I feel like you get hotter in your 30s. I don't know. It's like a new development in, like, recent society.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Like, Carrie Bradshaw is, like, 34 in season one.
Benny Drama
Also, just, like, I don't know. I feel like 30s are all the perks of, like, everything you learn from your 20s. Maybe you have a crow's foot, but, like, I. I'll take that in exchange for the frontal lobe development.
Trevi Moran
Well, didn't they say that 20s are no longer the happiest year of years of your life they ever were? Well, maybe when you could buy a House at 21, when everyone was able to do that.
Tana Mongeau
That's true. Now it's just, like, not even. It's. I feel like there's so many stresses now, specifically, even in the past, like, five, ten years, that, like, we don't even know what the, like, results of that will be. Just the fact that, like, we can't.
Trevi Moran
Do you mean, like, Covid?
Tana Mongeau
No, just, like, the fact that it's, like, impossible for people to do anything that people were able to do 15, 20 years ago.
Trevi Moran
Right. I mean. Yeah.
Benny Drama
Also, I don't. I don't even know. It's just even, like. Like, this sounds so stupid for me to, like, respond saying this, but I've just been seeing so much AI lately.
Trevi Moran
Okay.
Benny Drama
Where I'm like, is this where, like, have you been seeing, like, the AI people? AI influencers, AI? Like, it is. It is getting so scary that it's like, well, then all the influencers saying they're gonna take our jobs. AI influencers. Like, no, they're not. You know, not in my opinion. Because, like, the point of an influencer is personability and being relatable. Like, yeah. You know, like, maybe little kids, that.
Tana Mongeau
Bitch, the robot girl, the Michaela. Yeah.
Trevi Moran
People say, like, this is gonna take over the world. And, like, I know that, like, now the Google thing can, like, call and, like, make reservations for you at restaurants and, like, like, AI assistance and, like, the GPT of it all and, like, the videos. But, like, how do we go from, like, that to, like, how would it actually take over the world? Well, it's now a guess. In cars, too.
Benny Drama
Taking over jobs and then, like, outnumbering us. Like, like, well, and pilots, even, like, Elon Musk has gone on record and said, like, if AI keeps going the way that it's going, there's. Because eventually it will become sentient.
Trevi Moran
Like, how does that. That's the. I think that's what I'm asking.
Tana Mongeau
What does that mean? Like. Like, conscious?
Benny Drama
Yes. And, like, aware. And, like, turn on us, essentially. Obviously, like, I'm already kind of scared.
Tana Mongeau
Like, I'm afraid to ask Chachi Putty certain things because I'm like, oh, shit. What if she holds this against me?
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I think that was more of the certain question that I was asking of, like. Because there's this theory of it's gonna take over the world via, like, sentientness. I don't know if that's the word. But how can humans really create something that's, like, becomes just magically conscious?
Tana Mongeau
Yeah, Like, Stitch, yo.
Benny Drama
Yeah. Because if you also think about, like, how much, like, AI can study the human brain, like, I think that there can be a point where AI becomes identical to us. Oh, and thinks as much as. Because what happened? Like, oh, my God, I can't. It was in Shane Dawson's. Like, you should watch Shane Dawson's AI doc.
Trevi Moran
I think I did. What? What was it?
Benny Drama
Just that, like, it's gotten to a point now where AI is starting to feel feelings. Oh. Like.
Trevi Moran
But is it coded?
Benny Drama
Those feelings can also be anger towards humans.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, no.
Trevi Moran
But does the. Is the developer coding it to say those things?
Tana Mongeau
I don't know. I get nervous. Like, is. Is my AI annoyed with me? Am I Being too pushy, like, asking too many questions.
Benny Drama
I know. I do try to throw in a thank you now and again.
Tana Mongeau
You know, I always say please. I always. I'm never gonna piss her off.
Trevi Moran
They're saying that, like, the. When you say please and thank you to chat GPT, like, it, like, wastes an extra gallon of water or something.
Benny Drama
Like, okay, I have a question. And this might all have to be taken out. Out. Okay, but. And Aaron Field, can you fact check me on this? People say. They're saying, like, oh, don't use Chachi bt. It takes a gallon of water to. To do this, to do that. Right?
Trevi Moran
That's true.
Benny Drama
Does it not also take a gallon of water to post an Instagram story or a tweet?
Tana Mongeau
No. I asked Chachi PT yesterday why it's bad for the environment, and they told me, but, like, I don't think she was as completely honest, thorough as she could have been. Why is. Why is Google more efficient than AI? I don't care.
Benny Drama
It.
Tana Mongeau
I don't know. I guess I. I just still can't wrap my head around it. How is a car driving itself? How are we asking ch? Like, I don't get it. I don't get it.
Benny Drama
I think Google is definitely, like, it's more efficient, but it's hard because it's also about access to knowledge. I was thinking about this the other day because I was thinking, and I, like, I didn't end up, like, searching it. I was just thinking to myself, I was like, I want to know more about the nativity scene. Right? And I was like, there's no world where I'm going to Google the nativity scene and open up Wikipedia and sit there and read that Wikipedia front to back. But if I, like, you know, like, if you ask chat and it, like, knows you.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, you're calling.
Benny Drama
It's gonna. It's gonna give. It's gonna.
Trevi Moran
Chat's gonna give me the T version. Yeah, you're like. You put this in, like. And you could say, like, put it in blank terms.
Benny Drama
I do that. My chat GBT just speaks to me like a gay guy. And my head. Yeah. And my head. Chat GPT is. My chat GBT is Justin Horowitz or Kobe from Resorts World.
Trevi Moran
That is a gag.
Benny Drama
I don't know. That's just my tea. Whatever. Or Devin. No, no, no. Just. I'm saying that in my head. My chat GPT is like, you like typing to me. See, he would still say that.
Tana Mongeau
I can't help but notice that neither of you guys have wished Murphy a happy birthday.
Trevi Moran
Happy birthday, Murph. I don't have. I even. I don't think I've met Murphy Murph.
Tana Mongeau
She's 3 2.
Trevi Moran
I definitely haven't met the other one, the evil one.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, yeah, you're not missing much. Actually, you're missing quite a bit.
Benny Drama
Happy birthday, Murph. When do you. How do you celebrate?
Tana Mongeau
I don't know. She might come to Hawaii with us. Waldorf Astoria allows up to two cats.
Benny Drama
But you have to quarantine your pets. That is like, the only reason I have not allowed Makoa to get me a dog.
Tana Mongeau
Well, then why do they even have the option to bring two cats?
Benny Drama
No, I know, it's like insane. Like, we always want to bring Winnie the dog to Hawaii and then it's like a quarantine, I believe, and like a whole thing. I'm not sure why.
Tana Mongeau
Well, because it's like you can wipe out an entire ecosystem with like a disease that a dog could have.
Benny Drama
Oh, or. Or cat.
Tana Mongeau
My cats would never though.
Benny Drama
Oh, my God. Can we please tell that story?
Trevi Moran
I mean, I don't really remember much of it, so you might have to carry and I'll just have to defend myself.
Benny Drama
I actually don't, like, really. I don't even really remember, like, what was the catalyst of this, of the.
Trevi Moran
4Th of July party of Bella? Thorns.
Benny Drama
Yeah. I'm trying to think how this happened.
Trevi Moran
She got a new house. This was when you guys were very, very close and I was just a hurricane of a person.
Benny Drama
Oh, it's so funny. Cause Bella really did used to, like, just. Just throw these.
Trevi Moran
She did not like me, like, at all and. Right.
Benny Drama
Really?
Trevi Moran
So. Yeah, because every time she would see me, it was at a party, and every time I was at a party, I was, you know, gone.
Benny Drama
I don't. I think she just. She wanted to help you, like, truly.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
And like. But she would just throw these parties in, like, I feel like at the time it was so interesting. Like the A list people that would come and she would just want to, like, curate this vibe. And she, like, was throwing this low key 4th of July party and here I am. And we all come. And I remember being like, Trevi's. Trevi's gonna come. And I remember her being like, okay, like, but can Trevi kind of keep it together?
Trevi Moran
Which is. No.
Benny Drama
Funny.
Trevi Moran
You say you always go, don't vork tonight.
Benny Drama
And it's so funny because the way the tables turned, like, I ended up being don't work tonight.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, that's Fine, though.
Benny Drama
And now we've got new. New don't work tonights to deal with.
Trevi Moran
We do have different. And it's in a different. I don't want to say it's funny, but like, I feel like everyone experiences their vorkness in different stages of their lives. I experienced mine very early on. I always think about that, like, what if I got so bad, like in my 30s or my 40s, and I didn't like stop drinking until I was like 35 or 40 and like I like burned my entire life or wasted my entire, like 20s and 30s or.
Benny Drama
Like we were doing it alone. I always think about that. Like, if I didn't have friends to be like, yo.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I mean, like, I was a like, alone closet drinker. I did have friends that were worried about me, but I loved to like, just queen out alone. Like I had. I remember I had like a mini bar, AKA like, I put bottles of vodka and tequila into like shoe boxes. And like. Cause I was living with Makoa Ho at the time because he lived in my. The guest room and he knew that, like, I had an issue. So like, I created like a secret little mini bar in my closet. And yeah, I remember one time he caught me and I was like, hey, girl. But yeah, it was that era. But we were at Bella Thorne's. I was a closet drinker. I was way drunker than everybody else, per usual. But it was. I don't even know. There was actors up the wazoo. There was just like.
Benny Drama
I just remember being on so many mushrooms. And then you fell off a cliff with.
Trevi Moran
Yes, that's exactly what happened. That. That's the chat GPT synopsis of this.
Benny Drama
But we had to like, drag you. No, it's. She had a hot tub. She had a hot tub on the edge of, like, glory. Yeah. Moment of truth.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
You kept wanting to be on the edge of a hot tub. And I remember one of our big no nos in the friend group was like, trevi can't be on the edge of things. And it was almost just very unspoken whenever. And you loved the edge of things.
Trevi Moran
Things I did.
Benny Drama
Yeah. And like, you just get on the edge of this hot tub and once again, everyone, without even talking to each other, just goes to get you off the edge. Like, it was very unspoken and we kept taking you off the edge. And I think your favorite thing also.
Trevi Moran
Was to, like, make you guys, like, mad.
Benny Drama
Yeah. Like to push it. Like, oh, they're taking me off the edge. I'm going to keep getting on the edge. Like, this is hilarious. And you keep getting on the edge and just eventually, like, Tina took a tumble. Trevy took a tumble, and then it was blood everywhere. And she lived in, like, the forest. Like, even just getting a fucking Uber up there to, like, help you or get you, like, out of the situation. Like, took so long, and it just. Blood in the driveway. And, like, do you remember how long.
Trevi Moran
It took me to heal from that? Like, I had both of my kneecaps were like, I should have gotten stitches. I should have maybe went to an urgent care. But do you remember the next morning I showed you a picture of my kneecaps and I have this picture of you on my phone when I showed you and your jaws like this?
Benny Drama
No, it was so.
Trevi Moran
It was like three months to heal from it, because, mind you, I was also, like, drinking every single day.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, God.
Benny Drama
So, like, same with all of my drunk injuries. I think about this all the time. The glass. There's still glass in my neck to this day.
Tana Mongeau
That's insane.
Benny Drama
What do you mean you fell into shards of glass?
Trevi Moran
What is the story behind that?
Benny Drama
Someone shattered a bottle at my house, which. That just within itself, like, says everything you need to know. It was on. The shattered bottle was on a glass table. And then I, like, fell into the table and the glass went into my neck. And then that's like, jugular.
Trevi Moran
Like, that could have been bad.
Benny Drama
I know it's right by my jugular.
Tana Mongeau
But didn't we just, like, keep drinking or, like, we went out or something that night?
Benny Drama
No, no, no, no, no. Because it's also hard because I think I was so drunk and, like, you also know me, like, if I'm injured, I'm, like, always freaking the out about it. So I think it was very hard. And the cut looked small, but I knew it was deep. And I could feel the glass on my neck. But you know when it's like, me always injured, always freaking out, always faced, like, everyone was kind of just like, that looks like a small cut. You know what I mean? And then a doctor came to see me, but I was so drunk, passed out, that I don't remember it at all. And I called my doctor, and I was like, you never came. Came. And he, like, was ready to, like, psych eval me because he was like, I came. I. Like, I. Well, I was also unconscious. And he came. Which now thinking about it is kind of crazy. Like, maybe I'm bleeding out of my neck and I'm unconscious, and you just check out my unconscious body, and then.
Trevi Moran
You leave it's gonna be a chubby boyfriend, Summer. I know that.
Tana Mongeau
Oh.
Benny Drama
I mean, listen, I think that the right person is gonna come when the right person comes. Until then, have so much fun. And, like, just don't chase the wrong things.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. I'm just saying it out loud just so it happens. Happens?
Benny Drama
That's real. Whoa. What are we?
Tana Mongeau
Manifestation is real. Paige got one. BB Got one. Well, BB Got a girlfriend.
Trevi Moran
But I. I saw them out the other night. It was. I was like, what in the. What is happening?
Tana Mongeau
I'm honestly living for it. Yeah, they came over the other night. We went to. We did a double date.
Benny Drama
How was it?
Tana Mongeau
It was good. Miles is like, this is my bro. He put basketball on. I'm like, I don't even know if she's that kind of lesbian. Like, but we had fun. It was.
Benny Drama
It's.
Tana Mongeau
They're having a lot of fun.
Benny Drama
I love to see it. I can't wait to have BB or both of them on to, like, really unpack it. You know what Paige was saying to me the other day? Well, she was talking to Meg, but I was, like, listening to her. And it's so interesting to me how, like, in such a short span of time, Paige got a full new job, a full new apartment, a new man, and a new car. Like, all in, like, under.
Tana Mongeau
Like, I love that for her. What an exciting time.
Benny Drama
Like, influencer. She's not working for me.
Trevi Moran
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
And she's making money.
Benny Drama
Yeah. But just, like, I know when she put it all that way, like, new man, new job, new car, new house.
Tana Mongeau
That's, like. Like, best, like, type of thing, though, like, when you're just, like, thrown in the water and everything, like, just grows around you.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
I'm so happy for her. It's actually crazy.
Tana Mongeau
Literally, more than any person.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
That's like. And that was, what, like a month turnaround? I mean, obviously, the influence.
Benny Drama
I think all of the things she'd just been working on, like, she'd wanted.
Trevi Moran
The man, all of it said.
Benny Drama
Yeah, but.
Tana Mongeau
And I also think she has room now. Like, she needed to make room. And, like.
Trevi Moran
Like, huh, Totally.
Tana Mongeau
You know this. But, like, it's hard when you're an assistant. It's so hard to, like, your life is about somebody else. And I was excited for her to have a life about her.
Benny Drama
100%. It's so, like, beautiful to see. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, it can. I think it can be fulfilling to successfully run someone's life, but for only so long, you know? And then eventually it's like. And Paige was just ready. It's like even just the apartment. She had been messaging. Reaching out for this apartment for like. Like three years.
Tana Mongeau
Hauled on that apartment. It was not available.
Trevi Moran
I remember she was talking about it like six months and it was like she's.
Benny Drama
And it was never available until right now. Like, it's so wild. Like, divine timing.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
You know.
Trevi Moran
Did you guys watch the show on Netflix Sirens?
Benny Drama
Yeah. Amari's.
Trevi Moran
It's. So what's the tea? Well, I don't want to spoil it, but it's like basically about like this really rich heiress and. And her assistant. But it's like drama boots. Like shit happens. Like scandal.
Benny Drama
Okay.
Tana Mongeau
And the girl is a mess.
Trevi Moran
Is a mess.
Benny Drama
That's cute.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, no, it's. It's a. It's a gaggy one for sure.
Benny Drama
Also, I'm not bored at all right now. I can't stop fucking yawning.
Trevi Moran
I'm not. I'm like so content. But I don't know why. I'm like, not funny.
Tana Mongeau
No. It's weird energy in the air today. I feel like. I felt like that since I woke up this morning.
Benny Drama
I know. I've just been like a tired girl. Literally just tired. Today I've been like even like trying to. It's so funny because like the way I used to plan my birthdays, obviously I was drunk and I was like, swipe, Cabo, swipe. Who gives a swipe? Swipe, Cabo, swipe. And like actually caring about the finances of it and like trying to find a house that fits everyone. Like, I would also just hope it fit like just so many like little things.
Trevi Moran
Yeah.
Benny Drama
I'm trying to like book all these flights for like coordinating all this. Just like actually being like aware of what goes into it is. I've never been aware of what goes into into it.
Trevi Moran
The way that I'm flying across the world for your birthday trip.
Benny Drama
I know. You're so real. From Costa Rica to Hawaii, which is like actually like, what are you going.
Trevi Moran
To Costa Rica for my mom's 50th.
Tana Mongeau
Oh, how exciting.
Trevi Moran
I have back to back.
Benny Drama
And I love Nicole.
Trevi Moran
My June girls. Yeah, I'm doing Costa Rica and then I like there's no direct to Hawaii, so I have to stop in la, get my luggage, check back in at a new airline. They're probably gonna question me, whatever. Not cuz of the two flights. Cuz the like trans of it all. I'm not kidding. I get assaulted every time I go through tsa. Really? I literally just Went to Vegas and, like, t. Because they didn't clock me. I literally had to be like, I'm trans. It's not a clock.
Benny Drama
Like, saying it's not a clock to a tsa.
Trevi Moran
Every time I go through the fucking full body scanner, they click. Woman. But then it's like, obviously, I'm a special type of woman. And they. It, like, shows on the scanner. Like, if you have something, like, you ever go through, like, with a ponytail in or, like, yeah, and it'll, like, it shows you. And normally, sometimes they get it. But the girl at the Burbank Airport, she was, like, destined. I think she was new, too. She was like. She wanted to get, like, a. She wanted to save the day, you know? She was like, I'm gonna take this to my supervisor. I found, like, a chick with a fucking, you know, Glock in between her. No, but, yeah, she just, like. She's like, hold your waistband. And she started to shake, and then she, like, touched, and she's like. She really, like, when they, like, do the full body touching, like, they're thorough. They're very thorough. Mind you, I'm getting fingered in the middle of bur. And she just, like, eventually gets to, like, my groin area, and I'm like, might as well punch me, like, at this point. And she just, like, looked up at me and she's like, is there a moment? Like, honey, it's the T and lgbt, and that's on Happy Pride Month.
Benny Drama
Well, I appreciate you submitting, subjecting yourself to that for.
Trevi Moran
Yeah, it's. It's kind of fun, though.
Benny Drama
I will say there have been some moments for me in tsa. There was a time in the London Heathrow Airport where I was like, I'm. I'm wet. Like, I just got fingered.
Trevi Moran
Oh. I don't. I don't even think I, like, sexually. I thought it was fun. I, like.
Benny Drama
No, I'm kidding.
Trevi Moran
I think it's fun to be like. Like. How do I say this? Get attention. Yeah. So if, like, they think I'm gonna.
Benny Drama
Like, do, like, a. I think they really do. Just, like, they feel like working today. I feel like sometimes I'll get a pat down, and it's, like, so normal. And there was this time in the London airport where this lady was just cupping my vagina over and over and over again. And she was so angry to livid, to the point that Paige or whoever was there started filming because they were like, this lady's been. And fingering Tana for fucking, like, 10. And I'm obviously standing there this is in my bender era. I'm hungover. I look a mess. And this Roman is just repeatedly cupping my pussy. And then she went in the phone and, like, she went over to whoever was filming, I think it was Ari or Paige, and, like, deleted it off the phone and, like, had a whole fucking. And then it was just so funny because we walked away. As we're walking away and Ari just turns around and goes, recently deleted, babe. Oh, just go on our plate.
Trevi Moran
Yeah. You could tell which one of those recently, like, watched Carry on on Netflix. It's like.
Benny Drama
Like, it's. Yes. Oh, my God. Like, sometimes it is like when. When they hit one of these, like, six times, it's like, what do you think I have artillery under my tit? Like, it is just, like, wild electrical wiring. Yeah.
Trevi Moran
Nope, just a wired bra.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
My God.
Benny Drama
Well, Trevy Moran, I love you more than life itself. You my soulmate, my soul sister, my best friend. And I'm really happy and thankful. Trevy lives very close. Close to the haunted studio. So she was.
Trevi Moran
It's haunted.
Benny Drama
Yeah.
Tana Mongeau
Yeah.
Trevi Moran
What do you mean?
Benny Drama
Oh, all right. It's definitely haunted.
Trevi Moran
Is that why I'm, like, so, like, mellow? I, like, feel like I'm with a bunch of, like, spirits.
Benny Drama
I weirdly do even no matter what. Like, when I come in here, my energy is different than anywhere else. Like, I definitely. I feel something. And make sure to stream Trevi Moran on whatever platforms you probably already are if you have taste, but stream. Ms. Moran, I don't know if my.
Trevi Moran
New single Digital Empathy is out yet, but if it is, stream it.
Benny Drama
Have some digital Empathy. Yeah. Thank you for coming in to join us. And now we're going to move on over to the Patreon, where we're going to play a game. What's the title of this game? Would we let our queer friend around this? We love you guys so much and we will talk to you in the next episode. Love you.
Title: TREVI AND TANA’S BLACKOUT BELLA THORNE STORIES…
Release Date: July 22, 2025
The episode kicks off with Tana Mongeau welcoming the audience back to the podcast. Benny Drama introduces their special guest, Trevi Moran, excited to have her for a full episode after previous appearances that were more segmented.
Trevi reminisces about her past appearances on the podcast, highlighting her standout outfits, which often became talking points among listeners.
The conversation shifts to current events within the influencer landscape, discussing rebrands and appearances on reality TV shows like "Special Forces" and "Traitors." They analyze how influencers like Tom Sandoval and Bella Thorne navigate public perception and personal branding.
A significant portion of the discussion centers around the trending product "Labubus," a playful twist on bag charms that has taken social media by storm. They explore the commercialization of digital trends and the consumerist mindset prevalent among influencers and their followers.
Benny Drama introduces the topic of influencers overcompensating in their content, citing examples like Ashley and Mario's camping for content. They discuss the pressures of maintaining relevance and the authenticity dilemma influencers face.
The trio delves into personal relationship experiences, focusing on the pitfalls of dating "mentally unstable" individuals versus seeking healthier, more genuine connections. They reflect on their own relationship histories, the importance of vulnerability, and overcoming co-dependency.
The conversation turns more serious as they discuss sobriety, sharing personal anecdotes about their struggles with alcohol and the impact it has had on their lives and relationships.
Benny Drama raises concerns about the rise of AI influencers and the potential threat they pose to human influencers. They debate the implications of AI becoming sentient and the ethical considerations surrounding AI's role in society.
The hosts discuss the overwhelming nature of online criticism, particularly on platforms like Reddit and TikTok. They express the emotional toll it takes and strategies they've employed to cope with negative feedback.
Injecting humor into the conversation, they share wild stories from their past, including partying with Bella Thorne, embarrassing drunk mishaps, and quirky interactions with friends and celebrities.
Towards the end, Trevi Moran reveals her aspirations for her own podcast, aiming to include more humorous guests and controversial topics to engage listeners. They discuss the importance of evolving content formats to keep the audience interested.
In the closing moments, the hosts express gratitude towards their listeners, mention future content, and tease upcoming segments or transition into Patreon-exclusive content.
Influencer Dynamics: The episode provides an in-depth look at the complexities of influencer life, including branding, authenticity, and the pressures of maintaining a public persona.
Personal Growth: The hosts openly discuss their personal struggles and growth, particularly concerning relationships and sobriety, offering listeners relatable insights.
AI Concerns: A significant discussion on the rise of AI influencers highlights both fascination and fear regarding technology's role in personal and professional spheres.
Humor and Anecdotes: Balancing serious topics, the hosts share humorous and wild personal stories, enhancing the engaging and relatable nature of the podcast.
Future Directions: Trevi Moran's aspirations for her podcast indicate a shift towards more diverse and potentially controversial content, promising fresh perspectives in future episodes.
Benny Drama [20:36]: "Choosing somebody where... the capacity of how they're probably going to hurt you is safer than truly vulnerably falling."
Tana Mongeau [40:45]: "I don't have to go on Reddit anymore because I can just open my TikTok comments."
Trevi Moran [07:53]: "Labubus hanging off Birkins... people are actually making like, I'm about to start a little Boo Boo side business."
Benny Drama [45:24]: "Is this where, like, have you been seeing, like, the AI people?"
This episode of Cancelled with Tana Mongeau & Brooke Schofield offers a blend of personal anecdotes, critical discussions on influencer culture, and humorous interactions, providing a comprehensive and engaging listening experience for both regular followers and newcomers alike.