Being Booed, Being Cheered, and Being Someone Else | with Charlotte Flair

Summary

Casuals with Katie Nolan | Ep. “Being Booed, Being Cheered, and Being Yourself”

Guest: Charlotte Flair
Date: April 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Casuals features multi-time WWE champion Charlotte Flair, joining Katie and the crew ahead of WrestleMania 42. The conversation spans the evolution of women’s sports, career longevity, separating character from self, and the everyday joys and headaches of modern sports fandom. The team also covers the latest headlines in NCAA basketball, MLB, and more, blending banter and accessible explanations for fans new and old.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sports News & Hot Takes with the Casuals Crew (03:02–37:13)

• Michigan Wins NCAA Men’s Basketball (04:55)
  • Chris and Katie discuss Michigan’s championship win, the poor three-point shooting, and what it means for NBA draft prospects.
  • “It was almost the worst three-point shooting performance in a national championship game combined of all time.” – Chris, [05:11]
• Geno Auriemma/Dawn Staley Controversy (06:01)
  • Katie unpacks the ongoing apologies between UConn’s Geno and South Carolina’s Dawn.
  • Notable moment: “I choose to hold a grudge here on Dawn Staley’s behalf.” – Katie, [07:29]
• Michael Malone to UNC (08:24–13:12)
  • Debate on UNC hiring pro coach Michael (not Mike!) Malone, the trend of pro coaches moving into college, and changing college sports landscapes.
• College Sports Transfer Portal + Chaos (20:19–22:26)
  • Tennessee Women’s Basketball is left with two players after the portal opens. Crew muses on the wildness of the transfer scene.
• World Cup Tickets Fiasco (23:11)
  • Issues over seating location changes and the general nightmare of major event ticketing.
• Baseball Brawls & Pandemic Memories (25:07)
  • Braves vs. Angels bench-clearing brawl sparks nostalgia and playful commentary.
  • Notable moment: “You wanted them to kiss. I did. I did.” – Katie, [26:17]
  • Discussion on how heated moments in baseball now remind Katie of 'shipping’ rivalries.

2. Interview: Charlotte Flair on Wrestling, Womanhood, and Legacy (40:50–81:42)

Early Life, Athletics, and Entry to Wrestling (42:22–53:41)

• Chose volleyball over other sports—prompted partly by family encouragement.
• Reflection on the surge of women’s professional leagues and her interest in investing in a volleyball team.
  • “One of my goals is to invest in a female sports team.” – Charlotte, [44:13]
• Personal journey into WWE driven by her brother Reed’s ambitions and tragic loss.
  • “I spent so many years trying to save his life, when ultimately he saved mine.” – Charlotte, [54:07]

Women’s Sports & Influence (45:21–50:41)

• Recognizes influence from Ronda Rousey, women’s soccer, and current women’s basketball surge.
• On the labeling of 40 as “aging out”: “Men don’t reach their prime till 40… why am I not hitting my prime now?” [47:40]

Career Accomplishments and Mindset (46:50–58:10)

• Pride in being a “GOAT” for women’s wrestling, owning her impact, not letting age or expectations box her in.
  • “I’m not going to let anyone put me in that box.” – Charlotte, [48:12]
• Emphasizes seizing every opportunity and creating her own prime years.

Divas, Storylines, and Character Work (51:11–66:42)

• Proud to be the last Divas Champion; sees power in redefining the term 'diva'.
  • “I’m an athlete that can hold a title that’s labeled as a diva, and you can be both.” – Charlotte, [51:55]
• Navigated public confusion between Charlotte Flair the persona and Ashley the person, and how the reality show “Unreal” helped humanize her.
• “No, I’m only getting better.” – Charlotte, on turning 40 and continuing to thrive. [50:41]
• The challenge and fun of being both hero and villain in wrestling; joy in being cheered after years as the ‘bad guy’.
  • “I think it’s easier to be hated. It’s way harder to be loved.” – Charlotte, [79:54]

Fashion, Makeup, and Gimmick Evolution (69:08–78:24)

• Process of evolving her look and learning to embrace bolder fashion in the ring.
• Insightful, relatable anecdotes about makeup mishaps and the pressure to look “hot” as a woman in sports entertainment.
  • On wardrobe malfunctions: “I just own it. Maybe I should wrestle in the robes.” – Charlotte, [71:47]
• Shares the personal meaning behind her Survivor Series 2025 gear, designed to honor a young fan fighting illness.

Women Supporting Women & Tag Teams (65:03–66:42)

• On working with Alexa Bliss: “Alexa Bliss doesn’t need Charlotte Flair and Charlotte Flair doesn’t need Alexa Bliss, but together, it’s just like money.” – Charlotte, [65:25]

3. Listener Mailbag: Sports Questions Answered (85:39–108:07)

• Wrong-Number Emails (“Do you teach private sport lessons?”), playful answers from the Casuals crew.
• Learning to Identify Pitches in Baseball (88:23–93:59)
  • Hillary calls in for tips. Advice includes using pitch mix charts, noting speed, and checking baseball savant for confirmation.
• Can a Footlong Hot Dog Count as Two? (95:21–98:50)
  • Robbie wants 999 Challenge validation; Katie and crew riff on rules, fairness, and the realities of stadium eating.
• Attending Baseball as an Out-of-Town Fan (99:14–104:22)
  • Brody wonders if it’s safe to root for the Mariners in Minnesota. Consensus: Most stadiums (especially the Twins) are safe—just don’t be a jerk.
• Egg Roll Correction & Masters Dinner Folly
  • Quick corrections on food innovation at Mets games and the revelation that Masters Champions pay for their own dinner.

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Standout Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[About fan reactions as a heel]…When you get booed… it’s essentially a measure of how successful I am.” – Charlotte Flair, [62:51]
• “I’m not gonna age out of my career. I’m gonna quit when I want to quit.” – Charlotte, [49:41]
• “[About facing new challenges in women’s wrestling] There was never a time where we go, well, we couldn’t put on a better match than the men.” – Charlotte Flair, [58:26]
• “It’s like, be seen. Like, I’m being… they’ve been on this journey with me for 10 years… now the cheers feel real and organic…” – Charlotte, [80:23]
• Katie’s riff on sports brawls: “You wanted them to kiss. I did. I did.” [26:17]
• “As women, we’re supposed to just go, ‘Thank you for being nice to me, Mr. Man.’ So that’s what we'll do. We’ll just do that so we can all move on.” – Katie, [07:49]

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Key Timestamps

• [03:02] – Show proper begins: crew intros and casual banter
• [04:55] – Michigan’s NCAA win, game analysis
• [06:01] – Geno Auriemma/Dawn Staley statement drama
• [08:24] – UNC hires Michael Malone
• [14:17] – Tony Vitello, Giants management, MLB mishaps
• [23:11] – FIFA World Cup ticket snafus
• [25:07] – MLB brawl, pandemic sports nostalgia
• [40:50] – Charlotte Flair interview begins
• [42:22] – Early sports, volleyball, family
• [45:21] – Women’s sports ecosystem
• [51:11] – Diva identity, career
• [58:10] – Pioneering women’s wrestling
• [62:51] – Heel/face dynamics and fan reactions
• [69:08] – Fashion evolution, makeup stories
• [77:00] – Survivor Series look and story
• [79:54] – Cheered vs. booed, fan relationships
• [85:39] – Listener emails (sport lessons, pitch types, stadium protocol)
• [95:21] – 999 Challenge, hot dog debate
• [99:14] – Out-of-town baseball fandom & etiquette
• [106:32] – Food corrections, Masters dinner tidbit

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Tone, Style & Language

• Friendly, conversational, witty, at times irreverent—especially from Katie.
• Warm, self-deprecating humor, accessible to non-experts and “sports newbies.”
• Encouraging, especially toward women and newcomers to sports fandom.
• Honest, direct discussion about serious topics (gender, ageism) mixed with playful looks at sports quirks and pop culture.

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Summary

Being Booed, Being Cheered, and Being Yourself is an inviting, well-paced episode that combines thoughtful takes on women’s history in sports (especially wrestling), real talk about public scrutiny, and the shifting definition of “prime” for women athletes. Charlotte Flair exemplifies confidence, resilience, and a modern athlete’s approach to personal legacy. The Casuals team holds true to the pod’s “no gatekeeping” ethos—translating complicated sports moments for the casual fan, decoding jargon, and inviting everyone to find their place in fandom, whether they’re analyzing three-point percentages or asking if it’s okay to wear a Mariners cap in Minnesota.

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For newcomers or wrestling fanatics alike, this episode is a celebration of both sports tradition and personal evolution—a blend of laughs, candor, sports wisdom, and empowerment.

Transcript

[Katie Nolan]

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[Katie Nolan]

Hey Isabella.

[Isabella]

What?

[Katie Nolan]

Have you seen the Zamoth? The Zamoth. So the Utah Mammoth, the newest hockey team in the NHL unveiled their new Zamboni. Do you know what a Zamboni is? Obviously I didn't. I'm sorry, I was just asking. That's like the main thing that a non ice sport fan knows about is the fucking Zamboni. Hell yeah. I love her. Hell yeah. Well, you're gonna really love her. So the zamith, you should look it. They unveiled it. It is their new Zamboni. It looks like a mammoth. Wait, let me look it up. Actually the zamboni from the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics and they refurbished it to look. Yeah, I knew you'd like this with the little horns. Yeah.

[Isabella]

Oh my God.

[Katie Nolan]

They should make every Zamboni look like that. That was my first thought, was like why has no one else like gamified the Zamboni or turned it into an anthropomorphic. Anthropomorphic animal or whatever. You don't need to try hard words right now. I just, I'm sorry. I felt like I needed to try it. You can, it's. You can fit eight fans on it. I was gonna say, can we ride it? So they put. They're putting fans on it, which I think is another cool thing. I know sometimes they do that at some games they'll have like one fan ride in like the seat, but this one looks like a party bus compared to the others. I will say watching it last night in the footage, the guy with the steam steady cam. I Don't think we had room for him. I think he had to go. It was watching him with that, like, rig, trying to, like, get filming the fans that are like. It was a little too packed on its inaugural. I see him. I think I see him. Yeah. But in the way behind. It was kind of a lot, but it. I like the concept and I'm into it. Are you into it? Yeah. Yeah. All right, cool. So more Zamoths. More Zambonis that are also animals, please. Thank you. Thank you. This episode is presented by gmc. We are professional grade.

[Isabella]

Hello.

[Katie Nolan]

Hi. Welcome to Casuals, a sports podcast. It doesn't care what you know. Please don't leave. Stay. It's weird. We talk about sports, but not in a boring way. Cause sports are for everybody and it's a whole thing. I'm Katie Nolan. I'm the host. We have an incredible guest coming up today. Charlotte Flair. I mean, how many times has she won stuff? I should probably say 17 time. I feel like she's got a lot of championships. Brady. How many is it?

[Brady]

14 world titles in WWE.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you. That's a lot. She's incomparable, uncomparable. Nobody like her. And we get to talk to her in advance of WrestleMania, which is coming up soon. Before we get into that, we have a lot of sports stories to talk about and catch you up on a lot of little stuff. So we're just going to kind of yap about these things with the casualties. That's the production crew here at SiriusXM. We've got Isabella, our sports newbie. Hi. We got Chris, our master editor.

[Chris]

What's up?

[Katie Nolan]

And then ba ba ba ba ba. Brady.

[Brady]

Still looking for the right Tim. I got an email from one Tim and it wasn't the one that won the bracket challenge.

[Katie Nolan]

You got one email from a Tim?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And it was just.

[Brady]

I expected more fake Tim's.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, me too. Nobody even wants. Well, maybe it's because we didn't say what you'd win. Maybe it's because we gave no specifics about what they would actually be getting. It was a car, so you guys missed out on it. Okay. You probably should have eaten. It was a zamith if you want to. I wish. How cool would that be? Make it street legal. If you do want to reach out to us by email. Not to say that you're Tim, but it's Casuals with Katy Nolan. Gmail.com. we're going to get to some of those at the end of the show today. Our voicemail. 6, 4, 6, 8010043 on IG and tick tock, we are at Casuals, the podcast. Before we get to Charlotte Flair, we gotta talk about some stuff. First of all, Michigan won the national championship. This was. Had already happened before, but we couldn't really talk to you about it. So it just felt like our due diligence to say that they did in fact win. 69, 63. The final score, end of the game. Didn't really do it for me. Chris, I know this is your big. This is your super bowl. So anything stand out to you from this game? You wanted to make sure everybody knew.

[Chris]

A lot of missed three pointers.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Lot of missed three pointers. It was almost the worst three point shooting performance in a national championship game combined of all time.

[Isabella]

Wow.

[Chris]

Didn't quite make it. They were 0.2% away. But still just not. Not a. Not the best way to end what was a fun tournament. At least it was somewhat close, I guess. I think Alex Carabin had a chance to cut the lead to maybe one point. If he hit a three, a three pointer with about 40 seconds to go. He missed it and then the game was sort of over after that. But yeah, a little bit of a lackluster end to the tawny, unfortunately.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn. So you're basically saying no one from that team is getting drafted.

[Chris]

Not saying that.

[Katie Nolan]

That sounds like what he said.

[Chris]

Isabelle is saying that.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't want to misquote him, but that's exactly what he said.

[Chris]

So Isabelle is the talent scout of the. Of the Casuals.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Chris]

The casualties obviously, of whatever we are.

[Katie Nolan]

I think. I don't even think she has to. We have to say that. I can't believe. Why Are you being very clear? While we're updating on tournament stuff, did you guys see Gino put out a second statement in regards to his argument with Don Staley? At least in this one he did name her. He did specifically say that he was sorry to Don Staley and he said that he has lost more in the final four than anybody else. But that day he lost something more important. He lost himself. And like, you know, I don't. Blah, blah, blah. Don Staley put out a statement first. These are in between the two Geno statements. And Don's was written. I saw it on one of my feeds and said basically like, let's drop it. I've got respect for the coach and everything he's done for the. It was. She took the high road. And listen, I understand the way the world works. I understand why Dawn Staley Feels like she's got to do that. I do resent that she has to do that because I don't think that was the situation that was given to her. I think she's well within her rights to be able to go, listen here, Gino. And I hope. Because Gino's statement says that the two of them talked, I hope that when they talked, she said, listen here, Gino. Like, I really hope she got to at least voice a bit of her frustration with him for the absolute heap of garbage he dropped into her lap right before she had to go play in the national championship game. That being said, they're asking us to move on. I choose not to. And that's. That's my. That's my prerogative. I choose to hold a grudge here on Dawn Staley's behalf. But we can drop it, like, media wise, if you'd like. I think that's what they're both asking us to move on.

[Brady]

I need, like, three or four more apologies from Geno because, I mean, they keep getting more sincere. That's how apologies work when you do a take two, take three. So eventually, I think he'll get it right.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't often do second and third takes, and if I do, I would hope, I would acknowledge in the second and third that, like, my. My previous attempt was insufficient. So whatever. He's not ever gonna do it right. So we're supposed to. What I'm learning from feedback on the Internet right now, as women, we're supposed to just go, thank you for being nice to me, Mr. Man. So that's what we'll do. We'll just do that so we can all move on. Speaking of Mr. Man, Michael Malone. I cannot believe you wrote Mike in the rundown. You almost got me in some real trouble here, Brady, because his name is not Mike Malone.

[Isabella]

It's the only thing.

[Katie Nolan]

Unfortunately for Michael Malone, my lasting memory of him is not that he helped the Nuggets win a championship that year. It's that he corrected my friend Cassidy Hubbarth on the air when she called him Mike during an interview. She said, Mike, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he said, it's Michael Mike forever.

[Chris]

You just gotta stick with coach and then just leave it at that.

[Katie Nolan]

But I'm also like, listen, it's not like she called you a. The entirely wrong name. And I've said this before, and we'll say again here for good measure. I am of the mindset that you should always, if you have your name the way you like it, Pronounced. If people are doing it wrong, you should correct them. You should stand up and correct them and let them know. Because it's a. It's your name. You only get one. That being said, when your name is Michael, Mike is not a crazy shortening. It's not calling you Mikey. It's calling you Mike. It's. It's. She's not, like, being disrespectful. It's just like Mike is a very common. And if that's not how you prefer to be called, I would say in that situation, later, when you see Cassidy Hubbard, because it's not the last time you're gonna see her, you go, hey, by the way, I prefer Michael. So not a huge deal, but if you wouldn't mind, just Michael Malone. I don't. I don't know why. I just don't go by Mike. But on camera to go, it's Michael. I was like, okay, well, now it's not now. It's now. It's Mikey. Actually, says here Mikey Malone. Point I'm making is UNC hired him. I have a question.

[Brady]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

What is UNC's deal with that? Why are they. Why do they like a pro coach?

[Brady]

That's what. That's what Bubba Cunningham does. He has a type.

[Chris]

Hey, at least this pro coach is 20 years younger than their football coach. That's something.

[Brady]

20 years older than football coach's girlfriend. 25.

[Katie Nolan]

Daughter plays, I think, volleyball.

[Chris]

Yeah, she's a freshman on the volleyball team.

[Katie Nolan]

So hopefully that will. I don't know, I'm saying hopefully deter him from entering into a relationship with anybody at that age. But who's to say? And we love love. Okay? So we support them. So Michael Malone's gonna be the head coach. He has not coached in college since he was an assistant at Manhattan in 2001.

[Chris]

It's been a while.

[Katie Nolan]

I was a freshman.

[Brady]

Rough time to be an assistant coach in Manhattan.

[Katie Nolan]

Now, Brady, we don't make 911 jokes on this podcast, okay? Clean.

[Brady]

It was not a joke. I'm saying that's a rough time to be an assistant coach, and that's his lasting memory.

[Katie Nolan]

College basketball listeners are laughing because they think it's funny.

[Brady]

That's on them.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. Sick. He was also an assistant at Jay Z. You just called all of Gen Z sick fucks. It's not great. It's not. Oh, you have one here, Brady, you're like. You're millennial adjacent. I refuse to acknowledge you as Gen Z. There's people in my age bracket who call themselves Zillennials. I don't know if I want to use the term, but whatever. Yeah, interesting. I see what you're saying. Yeah, we've got a. What am I talking about? He was an assistant at Providence in 1995. In the 1900s, he was an assistant in Oakland, so I don't think those are necessarily relevant. He has mostly been a pro guy. He's also the first head coach since Frank McGuire in 1951 to be hired by UNC, I assume without a prior connection to the university. So feels like that coaching search did not go the way that they wanted it to because there were a lot of names being thrown around and this really wasn't one of them. Right, Chris?

[Chris]

Correct. It was a very left field choice. In the end, I think it caught everyone off by off guard because initially we heard Tommy Lloyd from Arizona, his name being bandied about. Dusty May from Michigan, Ben McCollum from Iowa. We heard Billy Donovan, who's the coach at Chicago Bulls. Michael Malone's name wasn't really mentioned. I think Tyler Hansbrough, former UNC great, might have mentioned him as a potential candidate at some stage over the weekend, but that was sort of it. But in the end, Tommy Lloyd re signed at Michigan. At Arizona, Dusty May decided to go back to Michigan. Ben McCollum didn't want to come over to UNC and Billy Donovan said, if you want me, you're going to have to wait until the end of the season because I'm still coaching for Chicago and we've got a week left in the season. And because the transfer portal opened earlier this week, UNC are like, well, we need to hire a coach now so we're not playing from behind. And they went with Mike Malone. And it's got UNC fans absolutely split. Some people think it's really, really good hire. Some people think it's a terrible hire. And so it's hard to know what to. What to think about it at the moment.

[Katie Nolan]

And it's. It's a tough time, I think, in college sports because it's so different. Everything is changing in terms of the makeup of the sport and the strategies of how to build your team.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And so to bring somebody in with no experience is. I can't tell if it's like less of a hampering because nobody has experience with it this way or if it's more of a hindrance because it's like you don't even know the way we were doing it right before we started doing it this way. So now you're Coming in and trying to learn the whole thing at once.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's sort of better because you don't have to be the best recruiter to be a good college coach now. You just have to have the most amount of money to be able to throw at these recruits. So from that sense, him not having a recruiting background definitely works. He can bring in his own gm, because in college basketball and in college football, the way that GMs are brought on is they are hired by the coach so he can bring in someone that he knows and trusts to help build the roster for him. He won't have as much of the burden on actually building the roster as coaches did five years ago, for instance. But it's still a different landscape. You're still dealing with younger kids. You're still dealing with, you know, a completely different ecosystem. So how he's going to able to adapt to that is going to be fascinating to see. But at least nowadays with the NIL being implemented, it should make that transition a little bit easier.

[Katie Nolan]

A little easier. Well, let's look at the reverse transition because, guys, I hate to tell you again, but Tony Vitello is back in the news. So we've talked to you about Tony Vitello. He is the manager of the San Francisco Giants. He made the switch from being a college baseball manager to being a pro manager. Brady, correct me if I'm wrong, first guy to make that jump directly.

[Brady]

Yeah. I mean, unless we're talking about like somebody. First guy in any modern history.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. And he was at Tennessee. Yes, yes. Which we should maybe talk about their basketball team in a second because something's going on there as well. But let's. Let's do one thing at a time. Tony Vitello is now the manager of the San Francisco Giants. And everybody was like, how's it going to be to go from college to the pros? And as we have kept track of on this podcast, it has not been going fantastically. He's got a knack for saying stuff when he really could have said nothing. Funny enough, I heard Derosa, Mark derosa, the manager of the American WBC team, Team usa, another guy who put his foot in his mouth a lot, talking about Tony Vitello on MLB Network the other day and going, like. I heard some people say he should take a lesson from my experience at the wbc. And everyone jumped in and was like, no, that's a. And I'm sitting on my couch going, yeah, I agree. He should shut his mouth because Tony Vitalo has done it again. He said something crazy again. I think we have to come up with a segment. I think we got to make this. I don't know if it's weekly. I'd love it. Not to be weakly Tony, as a woman marrying a Giants fan who's a little frustrated right now, I'd love this to be a monthly segment. But every time he says something crazy, I think we do like a go Go Vitello it on the mountain. Perhaps we'll get some sort of sound for it. Let's go ahead and play what Tony Vitello said this week. I thought a couple things we were able to keep from you guys, which was great. If you lump those two and the one you're referencing with just kind of the meeting on the mound. We've really only had three things that have been, I don't want to say controversial, because that's a mislabel, but kind of some intensity back and forth a little bit. And at the end of the day, too, like, that is minor, but it's a cuss.

[Brady]

Words involved, involved. So it's something for you guys to talk about for good reason.

[Katie Nolan]

I would, too.

[Brady]

And then it gets repeated.

[Katie Nolan]

And then the guy who's had too many beverages in the stands brings it up and.

[Brady]

And all this, and it gets turned into a deal.

[Katie Nolan]

But yeah, all of a sudden becomes an entity when all it is, is. But that's the nature of, like, I wouldn't be sitting here in college. I don't know if you guys would be too, if there was Twitter or

[Brady]

cameras all over the place. Yeah, I might be in jail or something like that.

[Isabella]

Wait.

[Katie Nolan]

Huh? There's a lot. We gotta parse, a lot of it. But one piece I'd like to focus on first is the way when he goes, I don't know if I'd be sitting here in college if there was Twitter and cameras. And you hear one little reporter go, yeah, clearly encouraging him to keep going. When really, dude, what are you talking about? Yeah, keep going. He goes, yeah, yeah, totally, totally. And in what ways would we be in jail? So he's talking about. He randomly tells them, unprompted, that There have been three little dust ups already. We're like 10 games into the season. Three dust ups in the locker room. Three issues they've had amongst the team. And he says at one point, like, we managed to get two of them without you guys noticing. Like, well, and I guess that's over now, Tony, because here you are telling people about them. But he goes on to say that if there were Twitter and cameras back when he were a player, he'd be in jail.

[Brady]

You guys all committed felonies. Right, right, right.

[Katie Nolan]

He just feels like a guy that's trying to make a joke, but not even at all, considering what it sounds like to a reporter.

[Brady]

You guys all love Kanye, Right? Right, right.

[Katie Nolan]

And he references a drunk guy in the stands who hears a player curse at another player. So it becomes something more than it is. Which isn't what happened. It was. We all saw the players cursing at each other and went, that's interesting. Drunk guy in the stands be damned. And then he goes, you're all talking about it. Which I would, too. It's with good reason. So now he's playing both sides of that, where he's like, it's really nothing. But of course you have to talk about it. But of course you have, buddy. Figure out what you want to say before you say it. Say that. And then be silent. I think that's the best advice that I can give, because he just is constantly, every day, I go, hey, Dan, I hate to tell you. And he goes, not Vitello again. Yeah, yeah. This time he said, you know, it's. He keeps stepping in it at a time when really, say less, just say less. It's not hard. But I do want to point something out, Brady. You mentioned we were talking about Bubba Cunningham, the ad for North Carolina, and you said maybe he has a type. Something's going on at the San Francisco Giants where they've got a type because Tony Vitello was kicked out of a game. One of these games in, like, the ninth inning last week, and whoever became the de facto guy, whoever was making mound visits after him, looked so much like Tony Vitello. And then you compare that to Gabe Kapler, who was the GM of this team previously, and they've all got this perfectly lined up beard. I don't know what that is. But whoever's in charge of the guys in charge of the Giants, I think, has a type.

[Brady]

I have to wonder, is there somebody in the Giants clubhouse that is bringing around a Dominican barber?

[Katie Nolan]

Maybe that's what it is. It just. It seems like they. I was like, these are all clones of the same guy. Why does everybody managing the Giants kind of look like the same handsomely barbered guy? Something to look into. Conspiracy theories. Pablo. What?

[Brady]

Pablo, get on that.

[Katie Nolan]

For real. Tennessee women's basketball. Can somebody please. Is nobody on the team? What's going on?

[Chris]

Oh, they've got two players.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, that's a. So far, Isabella and I make up a basketball team.

[Isabella]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

With her dunking skills, we could do an unrivaled 2v2. That's right.

[Chris]

They can still decommit if they wanted to. But as of right now, they've got two commits, they've got no returning players.

[Katie Nolan]

So everybody left.

[Chris]

Everybody's left.

[Katie Nolan]

They're in the transfer portal.

[Chris]

They had four players graduate. They had eight players enter the transfer portal, and then they've had now two commits coming out of high school who are now on the roster. Obviously, this can change very quickly, but as of right now, they've only got two players signed to their roster for next season.

[Katie Nolan]

I feel like Iowa State is going through something similar, that they've lost a lot of players. Is this just the way that it's going to be now with the transfer portal?

[Chris]

The way that it is? Yes. Especially if you don't run your program very well.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. So there is that. There is that little. Which is tough because Tennessee was such, like, a storied program in women's basketball

[Chris]

in the PAT Summit. Yes, absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So this is kind of like a real bummer. Is this something we should be really worried about, or do you think this is going to figure itself out?

[Chris]

Oh, if. If you're a. If you're a Volunteers fan, you should absolutely be worried, but I don't care.

[Katie Nolan]

You don't care?

[Isabella]

Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm more.

[Brady]

I'm more hyped for. You mentioned Iowa State having no players. That means that Audi Crooks is in the transfer portal. And, like, that is the. Like you did. Players of that magnitude. Players who can score 28 a game. Like she does. Like, that doesn't. You don't. You don't get them available. Like, that's going to sway the entire balance of power in women's college basketball next year.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. And that's a huge deal. So it's some. I just feel like it's hard to know what's going on in college sports for a person that didn't pay a lot of attention to college sports. Just across the board right now, I'm drowning. Okay. Every time I feel like I get an understanding of how it works, it's like, oh, all those people left. Okay. And they're gonna. And they. And then they hired a pro coach. Okay. And then I just. And I just don't understand. So if it's okay with everybody because of the name of the show, I'm, like, gonna kind of remove myself from the narrative and we'll, like, check back in when we know more.

[Chris]

I Think that's fine.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you, Chris.

[Chris]

I'll give you permission, please.

[Katie Nolan]

My God, there's so much to get to and it's all stressing me out. The. What's going on with FIFA World cup tickets? Can we. Should we push that off? Is that too deep? Is that business related? It seems to me from what I've seen on my algorithm, is that people were buying tickets. They're doing this whole complicated rollout of tickets with, like, there's all different times to purchase, and then there's people who have purchased tickets they thought were in the best tier, but then they're finding out that actually the best seats are all being held to be given to VIPs and sponsors and etc. Etc. And then they pulled the seat maps off of some of the websites so you can't tell where your seat is. Something's going on.

[Brady]

They're for category one tickets. If you bought, you know, if you just paid into the most expensive tier, there were all these color coded sections in the stadiums. You'd be like, all right, at some point they're gonna, they're just gonna like, have a lottery and tell me where in the stadium my category one ticket is. Miraculously, some of those seating maps have changed and now there are some sections up high that are now category one. So where you paid to be down low, you paid to be in certain areas. Now there's some other areas that you didn't want that you might be getting tickets in.

[Katie Nolan]

Do that. If I told. If I bought a ticket thinking it was down low and now you moved

[Brady]

it, you can do it because nothing's illegal and anyone can get away with anything.

[Katie Nolan]

It's really annoying. That's. That's absurd. Tickets in general, for any event, have been a nightmare in the last, I feel like, four or five years. But this especially is the World Cup. Okay.

[Brady]

No.

[Katie Nolan]

Are they gonna sell out these games that are between, like, smaller countries? I feel like they're. See, they're taking a lot for granted. Like, yes, there are gonna be Die hard fans of these soccer countries and, and of. Of bigger countries that have, like, sports fans and, and that can easily travel to the United States. There's going to be a lot of countries in here that don't have, like, die hard followings within the United States that. This amount of money they're charging for tickets. Are these stadiums going to be empty on tv?

[Isabella]

No, they'll use it.

[Katie Nolan]

AI. Thanks, girl. No problem. I was there to help me feel worse. Worse. Better. Yeah. They're always there to make me feel better by making me feel scared. And I.

[Brady]

20, 20, when we turned on games and there were cardboard cutouts in the stands. Oh, do you guys, like, wait, yeah, these aren't people.

[Katie Nolan]

You missed a scary time in sports during the pandemic where people were like, well, wait, what are we gonna do without fans? And so everybody tried something. I remember you telling me about this. They put cardboard cutouts of people. That's crazy. It was absolutely.

[Brady]

It would just be people who work there, like, just finding bodies and making copies.

[Katie Nolan]

It was just very brutal. Baseball brawl. There was a baseball brawl. We had a brawl in a baseball game. And now sometimes that just means a bunch of bodies running out on the field and nobody touching each other. This was not one of those times. The Angels and the Braves, what happened was Jorge Solaire, his first at bat, hit a home run. His second at bat, he got hit. And then his third at bat, Ronaldo Lopez. That's his first name. Yes.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Threw a little high and a little inside, and he took exception to the pitch. And he essentially eventually charges the mound. And. And I think Lopez had a baseball in his hand and swung at him. Yeah.

[Brady]

You rarely get the ball back in time for the brawl. He got the ball back and was just punching Solaire with the ball in his hand. Knocked his helmet off with it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. That's not cool. I don't think. I don't think you should hold some of the equipment. We did favorite baseball brawls on fan service today, and someone called in and talked about a time that a bat was swung at a head, and that's crazy. Let's not be doing that. I did like seeing punches connect. It's not what stood out to me about this brawl. What stood out to me the moment before it happens. This was one of the longer standoffs between the batter and the pitcher, where you can see the batter has squared towards. The pitcher, is not ready to take an at bat, is clearly thinking about running at the mound, and the pitcher is like, are you gonna run at the mound? And they did, like, a slow walk towards each other. And I just wanna say this happened to me last week as well. It's time for me to admit. I'm willing to admit that watching heated rivalry may have fundamentally changed something about my brain chemistry. You wanted them to kiss. I did. I did. I'm not kidding. The moment where they're kinda, like, walking towards each other is so charged. There is no way I'm the. Who felt it. Okay. And I'm just being. It's a safe space. It's my podcast. I'm sorry. I thought that I had just had my first experience of watching the show. It was great. Lovely. Always been an ally. Will be an ally till I die. I didn't realize that it changed something here. So now, in this moment, instead of feeling tension, like they're gonna fight, I went, are we about to fucking do this? I had a similar moment last night, actually, in another sports moment with that Blue Jays coach and the. And the. The ref. And he was like, in his face. And I was like, all right, just kiss already. Damn. Yeah, it's changed us. And the reason I had this last week, maybe two weeks ago, there was a clip from something, God knows what, where Mike Vrabel was squared up with somebody, like a. A player. He, like, was like, on him, and they were like, like shoving each other, getting physical. And everybody was sharing it to be like, look at Vrabel as a coach. Love that he's hands on. And I watched that clip and was like, I'm different. I don't. That's different for me now. I like that in a different way. So I won't be watching clips like that. And no, we're not going to probably talk about Mike Rabel. Okay. Because I don't know. I don't know any. This is a weird story that has broken last night that I've been, you know, watching, and it involves a friend and the head coach of my team. I don't have any inside information. I'm along with you. I am going to a. Hope that it's a misunderstanding that has occurred, but it does feel like we can't not mention it. I don't want to. Do someone help.

[Brady]

We should not talk about it.

[Isabella]

I know. Thanks.

[Brady]

We should just not talk about it. There is a story with Mike Vrabel, and if you've been listening this far and wondering, when is Katie gonna talk about it?

[Katie Nolan]

That was it.

[Brady]

That was it.

[Katie Nolan]

It happened. I don't. I'm not saying it hap. I'm saying that was me talking about it. I don't know. I'm. I found out on my timeline yesterday, I saw the pictures. I will say there's one picture in particular that it doesn't look fantastic, but I don't. The way that we release these. There's so much time between when I'm talking literally right now and when someone will hear or see this, and I have no idea what developments will have happened, and I have no inside information. And I consider Diana, a friend of mine. So I will just wait and see. I don't love this for a number of reasons. And so we'll just see how the story that was reported by the New York Post develops. Both parties, worth saying, have denied. Vrabel says these photos show a completely innocent interaction, and any suggestion otherwise is laughable. This doesn't deserve any further response. Rossini said the photos don't represent the group of six people who are hanging out during the day. Like most journalists in the NFL, reporters interact with sources away from stadiums and other venues. Page Six reported that both of them, who are married to other people had breakfast on the patio of the hotel restaurant around 10:30am on Saturday. And then blah, blah, blah. So the. You can go look into it. I don't know what's going on. I, again, don't love it for a number of reasons, but I'm just. We'll. We'll keep an eye. Okay? We'll keep an eye while we're keeping an eye. And this sort of pivots us to the WrestleMania of it all, as we have Charlotte Flair coming up in a second here. Did anyone happen to see the CM Punk promo that he cut? He said a lot of things. He took aim at a lot of things. Ticket prices for WrestleMania, for one, which I think is great. You know me, I like anytime wrestling kind of breaks out and does a thing it's not supposed to do. I was just wondering if anybody saw who else he might have targeted.

[Brady]

You mean Pat McAfee?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I do. I do.

[Brady]

He said it. He said it so quick that, you know, maybe if you. If you weren't pan, you're like, oh. He said McAfee. It's very clearly calling him Pat McAfee.

[Katie Nolan]

And what took us so long there, I guess, is my first question. Could we not get to that sooner? You know, how did we not. How did we literally, Brady and I, how did we not come up with that sooner?

[Brady]

The talent of CM Punk.

[Isabella]

Damn.

[Katie Nolan]

And I know it's probably a work or a shoot. What's the right word?

[Brady]

But work is when it's made up. Shoot is when it's real.

[Katie Nolan]

Right? It's probably a work. And because. And I say that because, like, WWE was like, heavily promotional about the clip once it was made. It doesn't change for me whether or not it was cathartic, and it was a little cathartic. He had a lot to say. It did. Remind me to check in on Pat McAfee's album because as fans of him who work in sports media, he had announced when he released his single Dookie, he had announced that this was only the first of what would be, to quote him, seven or eight tracks that would be dropping over the next weeks and. Or months. Very vague. He was just taking a temp on his target audience. Yeah, and I think you're right. I think you're reading that right. I think he found out that the temp was ice, freezing cold, that nobody was interested in hearing any more songs. And for me, too bad you said seven or eight over the next weeks or months. It's been weeks and months. This happened before the Super Bowl. Here we are in April. So I went to check in to see has he released any other songs. And I went to Pat McAfee on my apple Music one song, it's Dookie. So, okay, I scroll down and there's something called Similar Artists. And under Similar Artists, there's something an artist called Program Music. Now, if anyone has even tried to turn on ESPN at any point and run into the Pat McAfee show, you know that they refer to the show as the program that they're always talking about it being a program. So I'm like, this must be the picture for it is the words. Steve Bischotti, who is the owner. Yes. Of the Ravens.

[Brady]

Owner of the Ravens.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And so I'm like, this must be related to this. Maybe he released his music, but as somebody else. And I found under Program Music, five songs, Free Agency Frenzy, Hellebuck, the Goalie for Team USA in the Olympics, Steve Bischotti, Audi, Crooks and Committed. And these, I believe, are AI generated songs that the show makes for news items

[Brady]

but then puts on Spotify.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, well, I'm on Apple Music, so I don't. I don't know if it's on Spotify. I assume, and I'm not saying anything definitively, but it certainly feels like he's using AI to make music. And that was probably what he was doing with that album that he announced that never came out. Here's why it grinds my gears. Here's why I'm really. I can't. It sticks in my craw because it's like if you are a punter and you find out you have a knack for talking about sports and then you're doing that successfully at the top of your game. And you also happen to be musically talented. I'm not going to tell you you can't put out an album. I'm not going to tell you you can't pursue all of your passions that you can't explore every avenue of creativity that you feel inside of you. I would never restrict you from following your dreams. This is slop. This is not your dream. This is a revenue stream. This is treating music as if it's just a chance for you to make more money, which you're making so much money. You're on espn. Every time I turn on espn, you're on wwe. Anytime I turn on wwe, like, you're everywhere. So for you to need to make music, and then we find out it's just. AI Slop is like. Isn't anyone gonna say something of, like, you're kinda overstepping here? Yeah, right. Nobody wants to say anything. You guys don't want to get in this beef with me. I'll have it alone. Me and CM Punk.

[Chris]

No, I'm there with you. You're right.

[Katie Nolan]

It's just like, if you feel like you've got music in your heart, Pat, and you want to get it out there, great, let's try it. But if you're just gonna do this,

[Chris]

you're diluting your brand, which you're doing at the very least. You're diluting your brand at the very least.

[Katie Nolan]

All right. I really thought that was gonna be

[Isabella]

a hit with you guys.

[Katie Nolan]

I thought you're gonna be rolling around, slapping your knees, really laughing at how funny that was. And it's. It didn't go over the way I thought so. No, it's because, you know, I feel

[Brady]

about AI is that I actually wants to make music. Even if Pat wants to make music, if that's going to make music, then how many backing musicians are not working on this because it's AI generated?

[Katie Nolan]

Like, just.

[Brady]

There's nothing positive that's coming of this.

[Katie Nolan]

Listen, he spent a lot of time on his show talking about how he was working with these musicians that he met through Jelly Roll.

[Brady]

You knew Jelly Roll is coming up

[Katie Nolan]

in this conversation that he met through Jelly Roll and that they were like, we can turn your notes app stuff into music. And he. He sold this, like, mythology of, like, we got in the booth, we laid down these tracks. Where are they? I. I just. This is like a. I don't know, man. We wanted to hear your music, and now I'm seeing you. They just made a partnership with some AI Music thing, which. Cool. I guess. Did you see that the Pope blessed Jelly Roll?

[Chris]

What?

[Katie Nolan]

All right, anyway, let's take a break. I think we should take a break.

[Brady]

Just pass.

[Katie Nolan]

Really had me giving Catholicism a side eye. That's what did it. Jelly Roll.

[Isabella]

All right.

[Katie Nolan]

We're taking a break. When we come back, you guys, Charlotte Flair is here. It's crazy. I get always so anxious when I interview a wrest. Chances are I'm gonna ask something I wasn't supposed to ask. I. I get stuck between is this a. Am I talking to Ashley the person, or am I talking to Charlotte Flair the wrestler? I think she actually did a really good job of helping me traverse this. We went through big moments in her career. She's done so much for women in wrestling. So we get into that a little bit. Lots of interesting stuff with WrestleMania coming up. So we're gonna take a quick break. And when we come back, Charlotte Flair. Hey, ladies. You tired of sunglasses ripping your hair out? I know I am. Meet Shady Ray's tangle free sunglasses. Designed with smooth, no snag nose pieces that glide through your hair. Not yank, not pull, and definitely not ruin your blowout. Throw them on your head, take them off mid selfie or while you're chasing after your kid. No drama. They're lightweight, they're polarized. They're cute enough to wear with everything from a messy bun in athleisure to fit full glam brunch mode. And they're rated five stars by over 300,000 people. Because when something actually works, women talk about it. Plus, every pair is backed by lost and broken protection. Leave them at the beach, drop them in a parking lot, they will replace them. So upgrade your sunglasses and protect your hair. We've teamed up with Shady Rays here at Casuals to bring you an exclusive offer. Head to shady rays.com and use code CASUITS for 40% off two or more polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself The Shades rated five stars by over 300,000 people and s H a D Y r a y s.com use code CASUALS. The road to the playoffs is here. Catch every NBA matchup on ESPN and every NHL showdown on ESPN and TNT with Sling. Sling is great. You customize a channel lineup and only pay for what actually gets watched. So no more wondering why random channels are there. No contracts, just flexibility. Choose a one day pass starting at 4.99 for a big game, a seven day pass for playoff series, or you can go monthly for more. Pause anytime with no penalties and still enjoy over 600 free channels. You can even stream instantly on all devices at home or on the go with Sling. I know for me what I love about Sling is that on my phone when I'm on the road, maybe in like a green room that doesn't have any tv, I can watch on my phone and easily go between a hockey game that's on ESPN and then I can switch over to an NBA matchup. So choose and customize your channel lineup or pause and watch for free. Sling lets you do that. Visit sling.com to learn more. Nowadays it feels like people just love to put you in a box, but I think confidence comes from choosing what actually works for you. The GMC Terrain is a premium compact SUV built for people who value capability, smart design and doing things their own way. That confidence shows up in the 2026 Terrain's bold exterior styling, including an available two tone roof with heated front seats and available all wheel drive with multiple drive modes. The Terrain is ready for whatever comes next. GMC we are professional grade America's best

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[Katie Nolan]

Guys, we are joined now by an incredible guest, a true Queen from the WWE promoting obviously WrestleMania 42 coming up in Vegas April 18th and 19th, which you can stream on ESPN plus in the US and on Netflix internationally. It's the one, the only Charlotte Flair. Thank you for being here.

[Isabella]

Thank you for having me.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, first of all we have to start with Happy Birthday.

[Isabella]

Thank you.

[Katie Nolan]

It was just your birthday last week. Easter Sunday, right?

[Isabella]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

What's that like sharing a birthday with like a holiday?

[Isabella]

It's usually at Wrestlemania so I looked at WrestleMania as a holiday too.

[Katie Nolan]

That's so mine usually collides with the super bowl. So it like it ends up being I'm at like working for it anyway so you can totally relate. But it looks like at least from the carousel I scrolled through on your Instagram. But this year you did have like a nice party.

[Isabella]

I did have a nice party.

[Katie Nolan]

Fun time.

[Isabella]

It was fun. I was feeling it Sunday. Yeah, 100% yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Your makeup. Perfect all the time. And now I don't want to have a female athlete on and discuss makeup. But I do as a lady who does my own and who is nearing 40 have to ask what is the secret? Your your beat is always perfect.

[Isabella]

Well, he just went to get my other outfit. I would say he is my Secret sauce. You just have to get a guy

[Katie Nolan]

who knows how to do your makeup and does it perfectly every time.

[Isabella]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Are we using a setting spray?

[Isabella]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Multiple.

[Isabella]

Multiple.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Can you tell me afterwards which ones?

[Isabella]

He just does a really good job.

[Katie Nolan]

I'll ask him. I'll ask him when he gets back here. Look, I know you've been doing a lot. You've got a lot of promotion for this going on.

[Isabella]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

So I kind of wanted to start somewhere a little different and a little weird. So we are casuals or a podcast for casual fans, and obviously, we will talk all about wrestling and what wrestling has meant to you and what you have meant to wrestling in a second. But you did start out. You played volleyball in college, and volleyball's kind of having. Starting to have a little bit of a moment.

[Isabella]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

Along with other women's sports. So I wanted to talk to you about, like, why you chose volleyball when you were younger, what you liked about it.

[Isabella]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Wow.

[Isabella]

No one's asked me that, actually. I feel like my. I kind of feel like my dad chose it for me. I. Well, I was a gymnast until middle school. Well, till seventh grade. And then I also played middle school basketball and then got into All Star cheerleading. I kind of did a little bit of everything. And then when my parents. Not my dad, but my mom, they were like, you have to make a choice. And I really loved All Star cheerleading, believe it or not. But I couldn't keep up with that schedule, and I decided to go out for the volleyball team, and I made the team. And then it was just doing that schedule, and I made, I think, the varsity team as a. Yeah, I made the varsity team as a ninth grader. Whoa. So I just stuck, like, stuck with it. My parents put me in camps, and the rest was, like, history.

[Katie Nolan]

You're just naturally really good at it.

[Isabella]

Yeah. I feel like I'm a better wrestler. Yeah. But, like, incredible wrestler.

[Katie Nolan]

I just.

[Isabella]

I liked it. I liked it more than basketball.

[Katie Nolan]

What. Where. Where were you on the court?

[Isabella]

I don't know if the position I was in.02.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

So played just as much defense. Yeah. Outside.

[Katie Nolan]

Sick. Have you. Have you seen any of the hype around volleyball? They're, like, building this new league. They're, like, putting it on tv.

[Isabella]

Yeah. Cause I. You know, one of my goals is to invest in a female sports team, and then I. Someone actually brought that opportunity up to me with one of the volleyball teams. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So you're looking. It's with your.

[Isabella]

Thinking about it. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

You're considering. You're Running the financials. You've got to do the balance sheet or whatever. But that would be really cool.

[Isabella]

It would be cool.

[Katie Nolan]

That would be really sick, because I

[Isabella]

know there's a lot of opportunity with basketball and soccer at the moment, but with this new league for volleyball, too, so that's something in the future.

[Katie Nolan]

A lot going on in women's sports right now.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Which is exciting. You've always been really vocal about how some of the advancements made across other women's sports were really helpful to you. I know you've. You've talked about Ronda Rousey, how she doesn't get enough credit for when she came from UFC to WWE and was able to make that switch, the way that that kind of helped women be taken more seriously at wwe. But you've also mentioned the women's national soccer team as being helpful in that way. So I'm just curious to know your thoughts on, like, how it feels to be sort of a part of this, like, huge moment for. For women's sports. Yeah.

[Isabella]

I think the biggest messaging is when you invest in women or, like, they deliver, it's about giving them the opportunity, the time, the spotlight, too. And that's been. That's how it's been for the women at WWE. And it was in 2015 when my core group debuted. That was when the couple years prior, Rhonda had been, like, the face of ufc and then the women's soccer team winning and what they were able to do, it's like, yeah, when they're given the platform and the time and the investment, they're just as big of, like, women's basketball this year.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

I mean, it made. It was impactful. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

They got their. Their deal done. They're starting their season in a. In, like, a couple weeks. The draft is next week. And, yeah, there's just between that, the pwhl, which is the women's hockey league, they've got a lot of momentum around them right now because of the Olympics and the. The women's hockey team winning the Olympics as well as the men, but the women more importantly. So it just feels like a lot is happening. And I feel like looking through your resume, you're like the. You could say. Some have said, I don't want to make you say, but you are like, a real goat for women in wrestling.

[Isabella]

Thank you.

[Katie Nolan]

Do you. What. So many ways we could attack this question, but I guess I want to know, like, do you feel that? Do you keep your shoulders back, you walking around like, I helped build this thing?

[Isabella]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

Good. I don't go around saying it, but I take pride and I value what I've been able to do and want to still do.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Okay, so that's a good thing. Good question. Because we just said you turned 40,

[Isabella]

Lindsey Vonn, this year.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not pushing you out. I'm not. Exactly. Exactly. I do have to ask only. Cause I'm curious as, again, another woman approaching 40 who has not seen nearly as much success as you. What. When do you have to start thinking about what the end will look like? Like, when do you have to start going, like, okay, am I gonna retire? Do I want to go out fighting? Do I want to just take a step back and reassess? Like, what is your mindset and approach on it right now?

[Isabella]

None of that.

[Katie Nolan]

Good. I like that.

[Isabella]

It's unfortunate that those sentences happen. Because I feel like in our industry or my industry, men don't reach their prime till 40. So how old. Why.

[Katie Nolan]

How old's CM Punk?

[Isabella]

48.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Yeah. So

[Isabella]

I guess I never. Because I started late. Like, I didn't start wrestling. I didn't win my first title. Toast 30, where the girls now, like, which is awesome. A lot of people are in their younger 20s, but I, you know, graduated, had the awkward 20s of not know what to do. And then wrestling came later in life. But saying that the men don't hit their prime till 40, why am I not hitting my prime now? Why is it that, like, I don't look at it as. Yes, I realize that. How do I say this? I think it would be easier for people to label me in that box, but I'm not gonna let anyone put me in that box. And I hope women in any profession who are about to turn 40 don't think that that is a slowdown or an end game. But if anything, if. If this is whatever industry that you're in and sport, like Lindsey Vonn did, it's whatever you are capable of and are willing to do and put in the time. And I started out, like, I'm very fortunate. I started out on top. So I have, like, it might seem like my career is longer, but I just have had the opportunity to be at top of the game.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, sorry I keep winning. Sorry that I do keep winning.

[Isabella]

And now I'm not gonna say sorry anymore for, like, good, like, winning. And it. Yeah, like, I'm not gonna age out of my career. I'm gonna quit when I want to quit.

[Katie Nolan]

Good.

[Isabella]

I'm gonna lace it up.

[Katie Nolan]

And that's not. It sounds like that's not soon. No. Good. I saw you say something recently that was like, I'm just starting to get good. To get good.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And so it's like, it's not the end in your mind in any way. You're like, excuse me. I've just finally figured out what I'm doing.

[Isabella]

Well, I do feel like if no one knew how old I was and you saw me out in the ring, you wouldn't look at me with the group of girls like, oh, she's been here for 10 years and she's 40.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Can confirm. You don't look 40.

[Isabella]

No, but I mean, it's. I mean, it's not that I'm. It's just like, I. It's just unfortunate because that's how soci. And I think it's changing slowly, but, like, 40 has had such a stigma around it where now I'm like, especially for us, for women, not men. Like, women get better.

[Katie Nolan]

I feel like.

[Isabella]

Excuse me. Men get. How was it? Men get better. Women get older.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

Yeah. No, I'm only getting better. So what does that make? Like. Yeah, but I feel like if we keep. If we don't let that dialogue, like, sit back there, it's like, no. Like, no, I'm gonna.

[Katie Nolan]

It's. It's.

[Isabella]

Here's the thing. It's new territory. It was new territory when I debuted in 2015, and it's new territory now.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

So I. I hope I am part of the progress of changing that.

[Katie Nolan]

And here's the thing. As somebody who's been observing you from afar, I can say pretty confidently, I think that you will be, because you always have been. In fact, I did want to ask you this. You are the last diva title holder. So it is gone. Which I think for a lot of women was represented a good thing, because moving on from that language, but also I feel like there's empowerment in it a little bit. I just wonder how the term diva feels to you now, if it's something we've, like, taken back and turned into something, you know, strong and powerful, or if you just, you know, as the last reigning diva, how you feel about that?

[Isabella]

I felt empowered by it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

One. It was the first title that I held. And at that time, I was. I've never been known for my looks. I've always. My strengths. My strength was my athleticism, which I'm not laughing at it, but, like, for me personally, it was like, I'm an athlete that can hold a title that's labeled as a diva, and you can be Both. So that's how I looked at it. And when I retired it, it wasn't an, like, we're retiring this because it's negative. We were retiring it to debut a new title that the women hadn't been given that opportunity to have and to rebrand, relabel, set, set a new standard. But it wasn't like, we're getting rid of this title because it's bad. It's like, no, it's. It was like, part of the history and part of the progression, too. When I became the inaugural Raw women's champion and the new branding, it wasn't like a negative. It was just like, okay, we're. We're rebranding, which everything should be rebranded. I've rebranded Charlotte this year, so it's like, it wasn't a negative. And I still, like, today I want to be called a diva because, like, it's not.

[Katie Nolan]

It's.

[Isabella]

It's how you look at it and phrase it. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a diva.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I love that, especially because, like, you are one. So you. Yeah, the definition of diva doesn't define you. You kind of help define diva.

[Isabella]

Exactly.

[Katie Nolan]

And you're a strong, powerful, incredibly talented, athletic, independent, independent woman. Yeah, period. You said you got to your career late, that you got to figuring it out in your 30s. To wrestling. You obviously grew up around wrestling, your dad being Ric Flair. So how. What was the journey to you deciding to enter into the business that you grew up around?

[Isabella]

I will try not to make this so long winded, but ultimately, my little brother always wanted to be my dad, and he had a really bad drug addiction. Throughout my 20s, everyone in the family was trying to get him on the right path. He was trying to get into WWE. And in 2012, Reed and I were at the Four Horsemen hall of Fame induction for my dad, and my dad and the producer were trying to light a fire under Reed's ass. So basically they were like, hey, Ashley, do you want to do this? And Reed's looking at me like, hold on, you're going to get to WWE before I do. And I'm, like, looking at him, and he was like, oh, we could do this together. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Three months later, I report to the developmental system, which was FCW nxt. Now, at the time, thinking that, okay, I'll get in. Reed will get in. I'll help him get on the right path. We'll live together in Tampa. And then when I got in, he actually passed away eight months later. And then I just dedicated the rest of my career to him. And I always say I spent so many years trying to save his life, when ultimately he saved mine. And I always say this, but, like, I admire the fact that, like, he had a dream. I never had any. Like, I liked Gabrielle Reese growing up, but I didn't have, like, these, like, grandiose aspirations or thinking, like, nothing that he had. So if he hadn't had all these things that he wanted to be, I don't know if I'd be where I am today.

[Katie Nolan]

Man, that's such a. It's so interesting how much your family is tied to what you do.

[Isabella]

Yeah. It's emotionally taxing.

[Katie Nolan]

I can. It's kind of what I'm hinting at. I can imagine that every time you do this, not only is it difficult and strenuous for your body, but it's kind of a lot on your brain.

[Isabella]

Yeah. But it's better now.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Good. All right, so you wrestle. You get into it. You. You become so successful at it. You hold so many.

[Isabella]

You are.

[Katie Nolan]

There's so many times in your Wikipedia where it's like, she's the first woman to. She's the first woman who. She's the first woman that. What's that? Like,

[Isabella]

I don't have some, like, crazy answer, I guess, because I. It's really crazy that I never wanted to do this, and then I just happened to, like. Like you said, like, the first woman to do all these things. But it was just like, when Reid passed. I don't. I just threw myself into this business. But again, like, the girls that I came up with, whether we're all on the same page or not, me, Becky Lynch, Bailey, and Sasha Banks, like, it's so cliche, but had we not all started and developmental together and them all wanting to be professional wrestlers, and then me being the oddball of the guy that, like, they looked up to, and then what we were able to create together and then come to the main roster, it was just. I don't know, it was like. It was like my future was already written for me. It's really. I mean, I just. Just so, like, sometimes I'm like, damn, how did I do all this? And, like, what would Reed say? Like, my brother, who wanted to be a wrestler his whole life, and then here I am walking into my ninth WrestleMania this year.

[Katie Nolan]

That's absurd.

[Isabella]

Which I don't know if anyone's ever done that. And fighting for every single title. So it's like, how did. I don't know why I get to be here and he doesn't. But it's like, I don't even know how. It's. It's like it's such a crazy story when you think like it's not because you're like, oh, she's just a child of a wrestler who's been a wrestler. Like, no. Like my path was never or my future never had this. I didn't like, sit at home growing up like a lot of the women do, being like, I want to be like her or her, her. I just got really lucky.

[Katie Nolan]

But you've also worked.

[Isabella]

No, really hard. Really hard. I'm saying, like, what I, what if I hadn't, you know, decided to, you know, pack up that U Haul and go to Tampa? I don't know where I'd be today.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, but it's almost like you were always going to pack up that U

[Isabella]

Haul and go to Tampa at some point.

[Katie Nolan]

You know what I mean? It always. You are clearly meant to be doing this.

[Isabella]

Yeah, for sure.

[Katie Nolan]

Because you're very, very good at doing this. Women's wrestling in general, in a very different place from when you started.

[Isabella]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

How much of that has been a fight that you feel you've had to really roll up your sleeves and get in on, on the behind closed doors side? And how much of it is the fight sort of just being and doing what Charlotte Flair does?

[Isabella]

I think it's more that. Yeah, I think there was no blueprint, no expectation. A lot of people did. I don't think 15 years ago could believe that women main evented WrestleMania, that they were main eventing Raw and Smackdowns or that there could be a division like there is today. But I think what has been, especially with the group I came up with, there was never a time where we go, well, we couldn't put on a better match than the men. And thinking that that wasn't like just because we're women, that we couldn't tell as good of a story or hit just as hard or given that time, create what they do. It's just we didn't like limit ourselves to that. And I think that's been the biggest factor is knowing your worth and your talent in a male dominated industry, which

[Katie Nolan]

is a real challenge.

[Isabella]

Which is a real challenge sometimes.

[Katie Nolan]

But honestly, I mean, so much of wrestling is storytelling and if it were up to me, I'm hearing most of my stories from women. I don't.

[Isabella]

That's.

[Katie Nolan]

Those are the best storytellers in my life.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

You know, so that makes sense to me. Can we talk About Unreal, because this is the hardest part for me about talking to wrestlers is there are two halves, right? There is the Charlotte Flair, right? And then there's Ashley, the actual person. And there's a lot of. I get so worried that I'm gonna put you in a position where you have to compromise the story of the. But it is fascinating to me that there's a reality show about the wwe. And I know there was a lot of reaction when it was announced of people being like, we don't want to see behind the curtain. And then there were other people saying that, well, you won't really see behind the curtain because the WWE is never really going to let you in behind the curtain. I know you were. You. You've been in both seasons of the show. What is the experience like as a person that's in it, Both the WWE and then a reality show about the wwe does that? Like, is it as confusing for you as it is for me? Or because it's like, your life, it's. It's not as hard to separate.

[Isabella]

So for. And Punk said this best in an interview at some point this past year, for my character specifically, I feel there was a point where people could not separate the two. So we're here. I'm thinking I'm playing, like, an incredible bad guy and the best bad guy of all time. People couldn't be like, okay, well, there's her, and she's just a bad person. So when Unreal came out, I didn't even know really what I was shooting for or what, like, had transpired behind the scenes, but it gave people a different perspective of me without me having to give my, like, a perspective of who I am as a person. So it's done wonders for.

[Katie Nolan]

So it's been helpful.

[Isabella]

It's been helpful.

[Katie Nolan]

Interesting.

[Isabella]

Whereas, like, I understand where some people were like, oh, well, it's hurting the integrity of, you know, the storyline or this and that. But, like, for me, like, well, that's fine. But, like, people really thought that I was just, like, that evil witch Charlotte Flair. So, like, for me, it's given, like, me a peace of mind where, like, people realize, like, she's just a really good freaking bad guy. Yeah. Like, when did that be a bad thing?

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Isabella]

So, like, because I kept the integrity of Charlotte for so many years.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn.

[Isabella]

Unreal was like, oh, my God, she's human. She bleeds.

[Katie Nolan]

Actually a nice person.

[Isabella]

She cries.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah. Fascinating. Okay. That makes a lot of sense because I was thinking about media literacy and how we're not Getting better at it. And I've seen people get mad at fictional characters, the actors who play fictional characters on tv. And it's like you got to think that's they're doing such a good job that you hate them, but you have to separate the two and how that must be for you. But turns out unreal allows you to go like. And by the way, I'm so good at my job that since my job was to get you to boo at me, that's what I was supposed to be. But I'm actually not a boo worthy person. So now here's a follow up question. When you get booed as Charlotte, which is you doing your job, I know right now you're not really on like a heel run, but when you are, it doesn't hurt. It feels good.

[Isabella]

No, it feels good. I mean, it felt good for most of my career.

[Katie Nolan]

Cuz you can just say that that show, it's like getting cheered. It's essentially a measure of how successful I am.

[Isabella]

I also, I think because I was looking at it in such a. I'm Ric Flair's kid. I'm five ten. You are imagining. No, but I'm like, I get it. It's like there's nothing to like, I mean, I never under. Like, I'm like, wait, I'm like really gifted athletically. But like I. Cause I've like, you learned so much over the years. But like it's. You never want the same. Like, ha. Alabama wins again. The Yankees win again. The Patriots win again.

[Katie Nolan]

Not this year.

[Isabella]

Not this. Like. No, very true. No, I get that. But then like, that was my job to roll with it. You want me to all of a sudden like, it's a character. The character wasn't built to lose. But yes. The storyline that I've been doing and losing last year, it's been like I wouldn't change it for the world, but I think it's just easier to. Easier to dislike that character up until now than it was to like the character.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, that makes sense. Do you hate her sometimes? Charlotte? Yeah.

[Isabella]

Do I hate her sometimes? No. Good. No.

[Katie Nolan]

And you.

[Isabella]

Cause like I really did build this womb. Like this woman that I wanted to be in my personal life.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Which is kind of nice.

[Isabella]

So it's like she's like, I wish I was more like my character sometimes than I was in my. Like, just take no shit.

[Katie Nolan]

I was gonna say, do you measure yourself up against her sometimes?

[Isabella]

Not anymore.

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Isabella]

No. I mean, not like, not like that. I would just be fully forgivable if you did. So, like, put together. And the investment I put, like, I wish I had invested in myself as much as I did the character. But now it's like, both. Like, I've had the most fun I've ever had this past year, showing layers of, like, what made Charlotte so perfect was the imperfections and the losses versus all the wins. And, like, tying that in has been so much fun.

[Katie Nolan]

You've been. You've said a lot about Alexa Bliss, who is your tag team partner. Yeah. And what it's been like. I know that you guys are like, the reluctant friends trope almost, but you've been kind of honest about her, like, helping you unlock another level of what you do. How. How is it, like, the power of female friendship?

[Isabella]

Just, I've been a solo act for so long.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

And she is a standalone character herself, so where, like, Alexa Bliss doesn't need Charlotte Flair and Charlotte Flair doesn't need Alexa Bliss, but together, it's just like, money. So it's. That's been fun. And I also think on a personal level, knowing each other's career, not that we've been best friends for 10 years, because we haven't, but there was so much respect there for each other that that helps, I think, when making the best thing possible. Like, I don't have a moment where I don't think, oh, man, she's gonna, like, do something, like, undercut me. Like, you have to trust the person that you're, like, sharing this with. And I trust her.

[Katie Nolan]

That's really special.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

It's really nice to have a.

[Isabella]

Well, it's hard to have that in any industry where you're, like, competing, competing, and you're trying to, you know, win the fan's over, win your boss. Like, it's just. But, like, with her, you know, there was always gonna be competition. You always want to be the best. But it's like, what we're. We're making magic together versus it, like, being so just solo. Like, we're both shining in whatever we're doing together.

[Katie Nolan]

It's really sweet. And I'm excited to watch your tag team match at WrestleMania. You guys are in the Fatal Four Way match, right? It's the Bella twins, who we love here at Casuals. Oh, I also love Bailey and Lira Valkyria and then Nia Jax and Lash Legend. So you.

[Isabella]

I mean, I have history with all of them.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I was gonna say it's really.

[Isabella]

It's really good.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, a lot of. A lot there. An absolute. And you're Gonna. It's so hard. It's so fascinating. My favorite thing about wrestling is watching, like, because my. I'm marrying into a wrestling fandom. My fiance is a huge wrestling fanny. Knows he's, like, encyclopedic with his knowledge. So I. What I like to do is when we sit down to watch a match, and he'll go, okay, here's the history, and he'll tell me all of it. And I like the way that these matches will make time for each little wrinkle of it. We're like, knowing that will help you go, oh, this is extra interesting because of that. Of the history. And there's so much history in that match. You said, this is your ninth WrestleMania. We got to do which one you liked the most and which one you hated the most. Because there. I think there's some answers people would think you would say, but that maybe you liked more. I don't know. I'm interested to know which one you for yourself.

[Isabella]

I think the most important one was WrestleMania 31st 34. WrestleMania 34 against Asuka. Oh, yeah. That match. There hadn't been a women's singles on the card in 10 years. So for many reasons, that match was important for women and for myself and for Asuka.

[Katie Nolan]

I love Oscar, by the way. She's one of my faves.

[Isabella]

Me too. Iron sharpens iron. That match. And then my least favorite, it. I plead the fifth.

[Katie Nolan]

You don't want to say. Do you want me say one for you?

[Isabella]

Do you want me to plead the fit?

[Katie Nolan]

A suggestion for you of which one might be the one you didn't like? You also didn't even say your favorite. You said, most important, which one did you like the most? Which one was the most fun to do? The most fun, like, in the moment, you actually were like, this is awesome.

[Isabella]

It's probably gonna be this year.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it's a good tease. Everyone's gonna have to tune in to see it.

[Isabella]

Probably the entrance, everything. It's like, it's different. It's gonna be different.

[Katie Nolan]

What does that mean?

[Isabella]

It's gonna be different.

[Katie Nolan]

All right, I'm tuning in. Let's talk. Let's really talk turkey here. Okay. I would like to talk about your fashion. That's right. It's important to me. So. So you've had some iconic looks in the ring, obviously influenced or touched by the legacy of your father. We have gathered some of your most iconic looks. Before we get into those, specifically, what's the process of designing or creating or coming up with what you're Gonna wear. I'm sure there's a whole team, but do you have a say?

[Isabella]

Well, you really wanted. How this all, like, really started. So again, turning 40. Yeah, I had this, like, just not nervous, but, like, keeping up with the times. Right. So when I was out with my knee, I was like, you know, I've always had. I've always been into suits. I love a good suit. I've always worn kind of the same, like the leather jacket, the knee high boots or whatever. So I was like, I'm really going to invest in exploring different outfits, even if I feel uncomfortable. So when I came back, I just started having fun with it and then it turned into a life of its own. So that's really where like, the outfits and the fashion was. And then I got into it. I'm like, oh, this is really fun. And then the gears. I'm just. That again, like, the more you invest in your character or your brand takes a life of its own.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Isabella]

So.

[Katie Nolan]

So it's like, maybe not where you were focused originally. I.

[Isabella]

So that's again, when I started wrestling or when I debuted, all I ever thought about was being the best wrestler. So for like eight years, I didn't really, like, put effort or thought about the way I looked. And then, like, as time has gone, like, like, like, oh, this is actually like, really fun where, like, I got the wrestling part down. How can I get the second part down?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

So that's fun.

[Katie Nolan]

It's like a, a whole new layer of it that actually helps you from overthinking the wrestling part of it.

[Isabella]

Exactly.

[Katie Nolan]

And said you go like, oh, no, clearly I've got that figured out. Now let's play with this a little.

[Isabella]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

Is there. Have you learned anything like, oh, this fashion trend does not work in the ring, or it's like, don't set yourself up for like a wardrobe malfunction. Is there any absolute nose on your costume?

[Isabella]

I've had a few wardrobe malfunctions, unfortunately.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, they're bound to happen.

[Isabella]

Yeah, I just own it. Maybe I should wrestle in the robes. I don't know. No, I really like. No. The guy that I work with, Brian Valentine, when he first started working with me when I was out, he would, like, try to get me to wear the. I'm like, no, no, no. This way. Nope. Hair that. Nope, nope. And then now like two weeks ago, he was like, I'm really like, painting your nose green right now, and you're not saying anything. Like, I absolutely love it. So we've come a long Way. I love that.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's start at the beginning. Let's go back to September 20, 2015. Night of Champions. This is when you won the Divas Championship. What. How would we describe this look? How does looking at this right now make you feel?

[Isabella]

So the belt. I always wanted to dress like Paige. Cause she was everything I wasn't. So the belt is Paige inspired. The gear, I'm not really sure. Let's not whip that out again.

[Katie Nolan]

It's like. It's nice. It's pink. It's two pieces. There's not a lot to it. It's understated, but based on budget. Right. And contrary. I'm sure. I'm absolutely sure.

[Isabella]

I'm sure the bedazzle just grew us the years.

[Katie Nolan]

These will get more elaborate. Let's go to April 7, 2019. This is WrestleMania 35.

[Isabella]

Oh, that looked couture.

[Katie Nolan]

Incredible. Stunning. The feathers, were they annoying? Did they, like. Did they fall off a lot? Like, when you get cheap stuff for Halloween, they fall off. But I imagine when it's nice like this.

[Isabella]

No.

[Katie Nolan]

Look at you. I could look at you. Look at this for a while. You are luck. This is powerful. It's powerful. Look at you with the belt and the purple. When you first tried this on the helicopter behind me.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Sick. When you first tried this on, were you like.

[Isabella]

Yeah, it was cute. Yeah. No notes.

[Katie Nolan]

You said no notes.

[Isabella]

No notes. No notes. Beautiful.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, our next one.

[Isabella]

Oh, maybe the headpiece was a little bigger.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, bigger, Bigger. Go bigger. The next one we have is 2025 Royal Rumble. This is returning from the ACL tear, right?

[Isabella]

That was my brace is bedazzled. Beautiful.

[Katie Nolan]

Did you do. You didn't do that? You didn't bedazzled? Absolutely not. Is it. Did any. Did any. Did you lose any jewels while you were out there? That, like, flicked off while you were. That's so funny. I mean, what a look. Is this one of your. Is this your favorite, would you say?

[Isabella]

No, but I like the red robe.

[Katie Nolan]

It is sick. I would. I would keep that on.

[Isabella]

I don't think I could do.

[Katie Nolan]

Whenever you guys get to the ring and take the robes off, I'm like, that's where you lose me. I couldn't.

[Isabella]

I'd be like, no, my boots are bedazzled too.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, the whole thing's bedazzled. It's top to bottom budget. How do you decide what you're gonna do with your hair?

[Isabella]

Oh, just situational.

[Katie Nolan]

Are you just always hair down, hair down, hair down?

[Isabella]

Maybe, like, once in A while. I've done a ponytail.

[Katie Nolan]

Right, right. Is that sort of like. You figure that out when you're younger? You're like, oh, she's a hair down girl. This one's a ponytail. This one's a.

[Isabella]

No, it's just my. My little brother always made fun of my ears, so I always try to keep him covered.

[Katie Nolan]

That's really funny.

[Isabella]

He used to call me, what's wrong with them?

[Katie Nolan]

They stick. I got weird ears, too, but they don't stick out. They're just, like, flat.

[Isabella]

Oh, mine are there.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

And then sometimes I'll come across a tweet. Damn, she's got big ears. I'm like, that's what you're looking at.

[Katie Nolan]

And also.

[Isabella]

Yeah, like, why are you looking at my ears?

[Katie Nolan]

I've given you so many other things to look at. How could you?

[Isabella]

But I guess if that's the meanest thing. Thing you have to say, I'll go with it.

[Katie Nolan]

If they have to zoom in and enhance, that's how you know you're doing. Okay, let's go to your look from WrestleMania 41. This was April of last year. Now, it's stunning. Is exactly right.

[Isabella]

Stunning. My signature colors with pink. The blue is my signature color, but I wanted to do a pink like my dad. And those are ostrich feathers.

[Katie Nolan]

Is that heavy? Heavy?

[Isabella]

That's like £70.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn.

[Isabella]

It's heavy.

[Katie Nolan]

Damn. Do you still have these all somewhere? That's very cool. Do you ever put them on just. No, of course not. That's what I would do. But I have a childlike understanding of how your life works. You look like a. You look like a really interesting gender reveal where it's like, we don't actually learn anything.

[Isabella]

That's good.

[Katie Nolan]

We don't learn anything. But it is. It is either a boy or a girl. Maybe it's a boy, girl, twin situation in this one. I feel like this was against tiffy. Right. This is. I feel like she. Tiffany also wore pink.

[Isabella]

That was not planned.

[Katie Nolan]

Now, do you guys coordinate ever?

[Isabella]

Typically you do, but that time you didn't. I just wasn't asked.

[Katie Nolan]

Got it. And so you came out in pink. She came out in pink. And then other things happened. But we don't have to talk about that. We're here to talk about the clothes. Let's do the survivor series from 2025. This was November of 2025. This is a different look for you.

[Isabella]

Yep. Yeah. Probably my most important look to me.

[Katie Nolan]

Why is that?

[Isabella]

So the little girl that I'm holding, the, like, if you see where I'm doing the heart hands.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Isabella]

She's matching me. And there's little Easter eggs that are important to me all over this gear. And it's dedicated to her and to Scarlet.

[Katie Nolan]

To Scarlet, A little girl who was fighting a brain tumor. She designed this.

[Isabella]

Oh, you're gonna make me cry. I know Brian designed it, but we got her a matching jacket and hat. And there's little Easter eggs on the gear that mean something to me, but she wears them, too. So we, like, planned a match together. And I made her a little set for WrestleMania this year, too, and her sister. So they'll be there. Yeah, they'll be front row for me.

[Katie Nolan]

Really, really sweet.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

This. This says she's seven, but I assume that means now she's probably, like, eight.

[Isabella]

No, she'll be seven.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Got it. She's turning seven.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That's really sweet. And it looks. Look. I like it. It looks nice on you. It's very cute.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

This stuff, the. On the face, the jewels. On the face, the jewels.

[Isabella]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

How are you not. You're wrestling. How is that not coming off?

[Isabella]

It sweats off, but it's just for the entrance.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Because I just don't know how I can't get my makeup to stay on. And I don't. Don't fight anybody, but by the end of the day, my makeup is off of my face. Oh, no.

[Isabella]

Mine is too.

[Katie Nolan]

You guys look amazing. Still, at the end of every.

[Isabella]

No. My glam guy's always like, why are. Where'd your face go? Why? You're out there for 30 minutes or

[Katie Nolan]

two minutes, and your face is gone, of course. But I'm telling you, watching it does not look gone. I have no idea the secrets that you guys must use to keep this makeup on your face, because you all look stunning.

[Isabella]

Thank you.

[Katie Nolan]

All the time. Is that. Do you feel. I don't wanna say burdened by that, because I do feel like you've been talking about stepping into your more feminine aspects now in, like, later years of your career. But is it, like, a struggle to have to be hot all the time?

[Isabella]

You know, again, like, when I first started, I didn't think about it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

But I didn't, like, understand the importance of branding. And, like, I had the robes, but that more came from, like, you know, wanting to, like, pay tribute or a nod to my dad.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Isabella]

I actually am more comfortable in my, like, my own skin now than I was, like, for the first, like, four or five years of my career. But I don't Like, I don't. This sounds like. I don't mean it in a.

[Katie Nolan]

You're like, I just wake up this

[Isabella]

morning, I feel like I'm. I. I'm only getting better, like, like, with time.

[Katie Nolan]

So that makes perfect sense.

[Isabella]

I'm not like.

[Katie Nolan]

But it's just. I feel like having to be hot and good at wrestling feels like a huge ask that we don't always ask of the guys. You know, they have to be good wrestling, but they don't have to be hot. Like, so hot.

[Isabella]

I don't care about the hot.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm like, all the time.

[Isabella]

You guys only have to buy these black tights.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's talk heel or face. Which is more fun to you? Being a baby face? Being beloved by the crowd or being hated by the crowd? Which do you enjoy more?

[Isabella]

I think it's easier to be hated. I think it's way harder to be loved.

[Katie Nolan]

Do you think that as a woman or do you think that in general?

[Isabella]

I think that in general, yeah. I think it's easier to be hated than liked.

[Katie Nolan]

When you are being hated, is it fun because you're almost like, allowed to

[Isabella]

be the person you know? Yeah. Because I feel like I've been hated for most of my career right now. Like, being loved feels really cool.

[Katie Nolan]

I've also kind of feels like you deserve it. Like, it feels nice to watch you be loved.

[Isabella]

No, it's like, be seen. Like, I'm being. I feel like I'm being seen, but not just for, like, Charlotte, but, like, me too. Like, they've been on this journey with me for 10 years and they've seen the highs and lows whether I talked about them or not. So it's like, man, like, it really does, like, the cheers feel real and organic versus, like, not storyline based, not moment, like, not anything. Except, like, they're cheering. Cause they're like, girl, we see you. You got, like, great job for getting back up. And that's what it feels like.

[Katie Nolan]

And that feels.

[Isabella]

And then cheering for Lexi and I as a tag team, because, like, we're a really good tag team.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

So the work too, but both.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Which again, it's not my life, but from observing yours from afar, that feels like a really nice chapter. It's a good chapter to be in.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That's like, a really exciting one. And we'll look forward to the results of the next step in it on April 18th and 19th, WrestleMania in Las Vegas, which again, you can stream on ESPN in the US or you can watch on Netflix internationally. Charlotte flair. Thank you so much for coming today. Thanks. And for being here. And Ashley, thank you so much for being here today.

[Isabella]

Thank you.

[Katie Nolan]

This is awesome.

[Isabella]

I appreciate it.

[Katie Nolan]

Hell yeah.

[Isabella]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Katie Nolan]

Okay, welcome back. Big thanks to Charlotte Flair for coming by. That was awesome. Isabella. She's such a bad. Oh, she's so cool. I love her outfit. I was like, wow. I know. She's so cool. Are you gonna watch Wrestlemania? Isabella?

[Isabella]

I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't even, I don't even know how, how it's like next weekend, okay. On it's. What did we say was you can watch it. If you're gonna be international, you could watch it on Netflix. But it's on ESPN plus, I think. Okay, I'll take a look. Beautiful. That's all I ask. Just take a peek. I'll take a little peek, see what's going on.

[Brady]

Charlotte's match, I believe is on Saturday.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, okay, great. And that's, I mean it really is. She has so much history with everybody in that. So like they could do a lot with it. So it'll be interesting to see what they do. What? What was that? Ayed, I liked it. Fuck, of course you liked it. Chris.

[Isabella]

Hey.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, this is where we usually check our inboxes, our voicemails, our emails, the various things that you send in to us. Chris, you got some good ones for us today?

[Chris]

I do. The first one is from John and John really wants to know the answer to this question. Cause John has emailed in a few times, really desperately curious about your answer to this question. So John writes in and says, hi there. I'd like to arrange private sport lesson for my kids. Any spots open and where do you train?

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, well didn't we early in the, in the early stages of this podcast, didn't we get like a karate. Somebody trying to get their kids signed up for karate lesson, something like that?

[Brady]

Is it also John back?

[Chris]

I. I did a search of all of John's emails. Four came up. I didn't See that one specifically, but, you know, doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't him.

[Katie Nolan]

Casualswithkatienolanmail.com is the email. So where is the typo happening? Where is the miscommunication? Who does he think he's emailing?

[Chris]

Also, just sport. No specific sport. Just generally.

[Katie Nolan]

I want my kid to be one on one with somebody. What kind of sports and when do you do?

[Chris]

Also, he called it sport and not sports. Does that mean he is a foreigner?

[Katie Nolan]

Could be. Could be. Where do you train? Well, mostly.

[Chris]

And train instead of practice? Yeah, he says sport instead of sports, and he says train instead of practice. I think we've got an Englishman or an Australian.

[Katie Nolan]

Isabella, if we had to teach this kid a sport, you and I, because we're the only ones in person. Right, right. What sport? You think we could convincingly charge this guy to teach to his kids? Kid, we didn't play the same sports. That's gonna be kind of tough. I mean, I could do tennis and you could do softball. Yeah, well, I mean, we don't even actually know who it says my kids. So there's multiple kids. We've got no ages, no genders, we've got no information, no sport defined. But I would email John back if you could, Chris, and let him know that on Tuesdays, we do a T ball out in the. In the park.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

And Isabella does Tennis Lessons at msg. msg on Saturday nights. And then we do drills in Penn Station beforehand. Yeah, that's right.

[Chris]

Awesome.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Brady]

Wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've seen at Penn Station.

[Katie Nolan]

John, stop emailing us. We don't do it here. Okay, It's a podcast. What else do we have?

[Chris]

Chris, we have a voicemail from Hillary.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, let's listen. Sorry. Hey, Katie, it's Hillary.

[Isabella]

Can you talk about figuring out how

[Katie Nolan]

to tell what pitches are when you're watching them on tv?

[Isabella]

Like, oh, Brian Wu just threw a.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know, a sinker. I'm new ish to baseball, and I'm

[Isabella]

trying to learn, like, the nuances. So this year, my goal is to figure out what the hell pitches they just threw.

[Katie Nolan]

All right, thanks, you guys.

[Isabella]

I appreciate the casuals and love you.

[Katie Nolan]

Bye. I love this. I absolutely love this voicemail from Hillary. I love it for a number of reasons. Number one, I like to hear her go, like, my goal for this year is to get better at this specific part of watching baseball, because that's really what watching baseball is. Is. And that was me, like, four years ago now, high Stress for me because it happened while working baseball. So I don't recommend that. I also will say it. This is one of the harder things about baseball. I'm still not very good at this. I've gotten better. There are certain pitchers that have certain pitches that are easier to identify. Like, there are certain sliders that move in a way that have a lot of horizontal break that make you go like, oh, I, I see that. I recognize that. My, my bit of advice, starting pitchers going into a game. Go on. What is it, Brady? What's the baseball reference one I'm thinking

[Brady]

of that has fan graphs or baseball savant.

[Katie Nolan]

Baseball savant. Go to the baseball savant page of the starting pitchers for whatever matchup you're watching and just look. They'll usually put this on the broadcast too, but they don't leave it on screen the whole time. Just look at their pitch mix. So be familiar with what they throw. It'll. A lot of guys will be like, okay, they've got a curve that's at about this miles per hour. They throw like a four seam fastball that's this many miles per hour. A lot of times the speed will be the easiest way for you to immediately pick up on which pitch it is that they're throwing. And I think almost every on screen graphic that I've seen across baseball will at least tell you how fast that pitch was that they just threw. Some of them will tell you what pitch that was that they just threw. And those broadcasts get tons of tiny kisses from me because it is the best thing where you don't have to go like, what was that? It tells you and that, I think rules, because then you can casually pay attention to it, check it and go like, wow, he's thrown that sweeper like three times in this at bat. Like that's where it helps you along. But I actually have a question. Yeah, go ahead, Go ahead. Yes, Isabella. I was raising my hand.

[Isabella]

Guys.

[Katie Nolan]

Is a change up a type of pitch or is a change up what you call it when they change the type of pitch? It is a type of pitch. Okay. Yeah. It is a type of pitch that is a speed change from your other pitches. So it's usually to catch to, you know, slow things down and trip people up. Gotcha.

[Chris]

You usually have like four fingers or five fingers on the ball to slow it down rather than like the two for a fastball.

[Brady]

Yeah. You throw it with the same arm motion as a fastball.

[Katie Nolan]

So you're not baseball.

[Brady]

So you're not turning your wrist like you Would slider or like you would curveball or breaking ball, you're just throwing it straight forward. But the number of fingers on the ball and the grip is going to slow it down. So like the, the. To the batter, it looks like your arm motion is a fastball, but then it's coming in 8 miles per hour slower. And that throws off the timing.

[Katie Nolan]

A lot of the most interesting stuff about these pitches is something called tunneling. Is that what it's called? Where it's like they look and travel at the beginning of the pitch and then they drop exactly the same. And then one pitch will go straight and one will like drop off. And so to a batter in the moment, you have to make a decision. Those three pitches look exactly the same until they move. It's fascinating. And once you crack this open, baseball can become such like an interesting, intricate. But do not beat yourself up if you can't watch a pitch and go, that's this. The most obvious one is a curve. A curve is going to look like it came out of their fingers and up it goes, like up and down. Most of them is like that sort of EFIS type of shape that I think is the easiest one for me to spot.

[Chris]

I did this exact thing three years ago. I really wanted to be able to learn to identify the pitches. And the thing that I would try to zone in on was what you said with the, the. The speed of the pitches. The only issue is sometimes I would say, hey, that's a slider. And I wouldn't know if I was right or wrong. So I'm like, cool, I guess it was. And so there wasn't that the, that, that instant feedback to be able to tell me if I was right now or wrong?

[Katie Nolan]

It does exist. If you go to the game, cast of the game, which is where the, the screen looks like a cartoon batter and you see a cartoon picture and it shows you where the pitch was. It's so you can like watch the game if you're out somewhere, but without watching the actual game. It will tell you how fast that pitch was, if it was a strike or a ball, and what the pitch was. So if you really do want to fact check yourself, you can. But I would say just start slow, start simple, look at the pitches, let that inform you, and then you'll start to notice on your own. And then before you know it, you'll go like, damn, he struck him out on a backdoor slider. And people around you will go, what does that mean? And you'll just go like, look it up. Go on Baseball savant. It'll come. Email casual. Katie Nolan. Yeah, exactly. I think you're doing it sounds to me like you're doing a fantastic job, Hillary. And I love this voicemail. And good luck on your baseball journey. Shout out baseball. I love it so much.

[Chris]

It's also one more thing, but I love it. One more point about that. Sorry, Katie.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, fine.

[Chris]

Is when you have the interest in learning pitch types, it makes the games more interesting. It allows you to zone in and not have it as sort of this background entertainment for, you know, however long you're watching it for. It helps you be able to, you know, really zone in on every pitch and have you know, that instant gratification every couple of minutes because you are so engaged in every, every pitch.

[Katie Nolan]

I agree. It also helps you like, appreciate the pitcher and the way they work their way around the, the strike zone and the way they approach each batter and you go like, there is so much to this that like you don't think about or have to think about as a viewer. But that can be really fascinating to think about. If you're say, a person who goes like, baseball's too slow. It's like, okay, then start paying attention to the pitches because then you won't have enough time. I remember when I was keeping the book while I was in the booth, I wanted to know like, okay, he struck out. What did he strike out on? So that next time he came up, I'm like, is, are they going to try to strike him out again on a high fastball, but trying to write it down quickly enough to move on to the. It moves so fast in those moments. So that's the best thing about baseball is depending on like how much attention you can give it is how detailed of a game it can get. Let's stop yapping about this and go to another. We have another voicemail.

[Chris]

I think we do. The next one's from Robby in Atlanta.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's hear it. Hey, Katie, this is Robbie in Atlanta

[Brady]

and I have a question for you

[Katie Nolan]

that I've been debating with my wife about the 999 challenge.

[Chris]

So my home team, the Braves, they

[Katie Nolan]

offer a foot long hot dog which

[Chris]

is, I'm going to say roughly double

[Katie Nolan]

the size of a classic hot dog.

[Chris]

And I wanted to know if I'm

[Katie Nolan]

doing the 999 challenge, can I just do one foot long hot dog and does that count as, as two hot

[Brady]

dogs or does that count as one hot dog?

[Katie Nolan]

It is obviously a little bit bigger, a little Bit thicker than a regular hot dog. I'm of the opinion that it should be qualified as two hot dogs, but wanted to get your opinion on it.

[Chris]

Love you mean it.

[Katie Nolan]

Shout out Isabella and Brady and all the casualties. Thanks.

[Chris]

I purposely left that part in the edit.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, wait, they didn't mention you.

[Chris]

No, I was mentioned as a catch all casualty.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it just said shout out to Isabella and Brady and all the casualties.

[Isabella]

Damn.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I would have.

[Chris]

We got beef, Robbie.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I know what that's about. To answer the question. Look, nobody's really judging. There's no officials when it comes to the 999 challenge. It's sort of the wild west. So I guess technically you could say that a foot long hot dog is counts as two hot dogs. I think if there were judges, just as somebody who's been around like the Guinness Book of World Records and how all that works, I think they would say you can't count it as two hot dogs. But they would say eat one hot dog's worth of the footlong and then get another footlong and eat one hot dog's worth of that. Because I don't think a footlong should count as one. That's. You're doing too much.

[Brady]

You're asking the man to eat nine feet of sausage.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. You'll die. I can't. I don't think your blood can handle that much salt at once. So I think maybe.

[Chris]

Unless you're a joy Chestnut.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. Yeah, true. What a dumb thing to say when famously somebody eats 90 fucking hot dogs every year. I just think, think you'd have to do a specific preparation for if you were going to eat nine of those. But I could see somebody going like, that doesn't count. You didn't do nine hot dogs. I would say just like, don't do foot long hot dogs. Since there's no judgment, you can just say you can do whatever you want. I told you I got tall boys for beer because we could not get cans of beer that were regular size. And so we just did like, that counts for one and a half. I think we said beers. We did the math on the ounces and made sure that at the end of the day it totaled ounces. Now you're not gonna bring a scale into a baseball game and weigh the hot dog. But I think it, if it were me there at the game with you, I would say rip it in half and it counts as two. I agree.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And maybe I'd make you eat half. One extra half. I would say you have to eat. You'd have to eat because it's nine. So it's not even so you'd have to get five foot longs and eat those. That I think would be equal to hot dogs. For me.

[Brady]

I feel like Robbie wants to be told that it's okay to eat 9 foot long hot dogs.

[Chris]

Clearly.

[Katie Nolan]

Clearly that's what he wants to be told. And it is in the grand scheme of things. You could drink two beers and tell everyone you drank nine. Anything can happen. I just think if we're going on integrity, I would say since since you'd have an extra half left over, I would just say you also have to like eat some of that as like a make good fair.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Any others we got anything else?

[Chris]

We got one more. We got an email from Brody from Wisconsin. Brody writes in and says, hey Katie and the Casualties. I'm an extremely new baseball fan. I've always been interested in the sport but found it difficult to get into for various reasons, like thinking the game moved a little slow and I also wasn't sure how and when to watch games. With the introduction of the pitch clock, I found myself enjoying the game a lot more and I started watching the Mariners at the tail end of last season last year, or the pointy end, you could say. Also, I was gutted when their playoff run ended before the World Series. Now I am all in. Obviously I'm rooting in parentheses Chris. I mean cheering for the Mariners since they were the best team story that came captured my attention last year. The problem is I live in the Midwest, so I'm not going to have many options to see them in person. They're coming to play the Twins at the end of the month, which is the closest they'll be to me. So I'm going. My question is what is the practice for attending a baseball game live? When I watch broadcasts, it doesn't seem like there are ever any fans of the away team in attendance. Or at least so few that I can just never see them. Is it normal or even accepted to go if you're not rooting for the home team? Either way, I'm going. But I just want to wanted to know if I should or should not show up in Mariner's gear. I can totally go undercover. Love you mean it.

[Katie Nolan]

What a good question. I will say from what I've seen about Minnesota games so far this year, tickets shouldn't be an issue. It's been pretty empty, I feel like. Is that. Am I thinking of a different stadium? Am I getting the right stadium.

[Brady]

But also, like, you're talking about late March, early April in Minnesota, and you're asking people to show up in 28 degrees out there.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm just saying this sounds like it's happening. When did he say it was? Was

[Chris]

End of the month.

[Katie Nolan]

End of the month. So it's. I'm just saying, I think the protocol is dependent on the teams. And there isn't some big history. I'm not thinking of between the Mariners and the Twins. Right.

[Brady]

I don't think so.

[Katie Nolan]

So it's. And you would know because you are. You're baseball like that.

[Brady]

So David Ortiz's first two teams, I mean, there's not really a history.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think they square up about that. I think that's fine. So I feel like you could wear your Mariner stuff. And I think some stadiums are cool and nice about that. This goes across all sports. Some fan bases are more welcoming and accepting. I saw a Yankees fan at Fenway for the Red Sox. Who are they playing right now? Brewers series this week. And I'm like, get. You're just an asshole. I saw a Yankees fan at a Mets Dodgers game. I'm like, what are you doing? They just want to be acknowledged. They just want you to go, I see. Good job. Really good job. You wore your jersey, so don't be that guy. You know, But I think if you're going to watch the team that you support in a different city, most of the time, sometimes it's going to be a safety issue. Like, I wouldn't recommend a newer, more casual baseball fan show up in Sock Skier to Yankee Stadium necessarily. Like, I. You just could be inviting the vampire in if you understand. But I think that, like, you're safe. And now this is an interesting question because I know, Isabella, next week you're not here. What is this all week? Are you gone all week next week? No, no, Just the beginning. Yeah. The beginning of the week. And you're gonna be in la.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And you're going to a Mets game. That's your team. At Dodger Stadium. At Dodger Stadium. What is your plan for attire? I was planning on wearing Mets gear. I. So I have a cousin that lives out there and she's gone to a bunch of Dodgers games. And she reassured me. She's like, there's honestly a good amount of, like, New York, New Jersey transplants out here, so I don't think you'll be, like, alone with, like, Mets fans at this game. Like, obviously it's going to be dominant Dodgers. But yeah. Yeah, that sounds right to me. In a city like that, where a lot of people move and come from all different places. That's. But I wonder if in Minnesota, I mean, aren't they famously nice? Isn't that their whole thing? Minnesota nice? Aren't they, like, nice people? So there's no way. And listen, my experience with the Mariners fan base is the Is basically was the same. They were so nice. And so I feel like these are two pretty nice team fan bases and there shouldn't be any issue. Brady, do you disagree?

[Brady]

Usually you get the energy you give, right? Like, if you're not an asshole, opposing teams won't be an asshole to you. You gotta show up ready to have something. Like, in defense of yourself. Like when I was last time I was at Camden Yards, twins were in town and we sat with. What?

[Katie Nolan]

He didn't mean a weapon. He meant something to say, I think.

[Brady]

Oh, something to say? Yes. I'm not saying you don't need a

[Katie Nolan]

something to say either. And someone's comes with me. You lose her with a Mets jersey. And I'm like, why? Just start crying. That'll be fine. Then they'll go, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize you were a sweetie and a cutie. I'll be like, wait, no, but I really like showing Otani. I'm just not a Dodger fan. Don't cave immediately. I'll eat a Dodger dog in front of you.

[Brady]

I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

I love the Dodgers. Actually, it's my boss, the host of

[Chris]

my Won't let Me.

[Brady]

Yeah, if you're not an asshole to them, just, you know, stand on it. Be like, ah, this is our year for the Mets. Like, just, you know, root for your team openly.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, you're great. You're gonna be great. You're just being supportive of your own team. You're not being let. Like, another run scored against you losers. And you guys see me on the news. I was gonna say, which, to be clear, was me. That was when I got removed from Madison Square Garden as a Bruins fan for when I went to a Bruins Rangers game when I was still in college. And they were like, ma', am, you're inciting a riot. You're trying to antagonize people into fighting you. You have to leave. And I was like, like, says you. And then I did. I did leave. I wasn't gonna actually argue with them about it. That's just be. And listen, Brody, your name isn't immediate immediately obvious. I don't Know if you are an. I have met Brody's who suck. So I think it sounds like Brody's a nice guy. But Brady's point was as long as you're not an you should be fine. And I think I completely agree. Have fun. Enjoy the, you know, the stadium. Because if you're going to be a. A Mariners fan and you listen live, this is the stadium. I assume he lives closest to. This could be like a stadium. You go to a bunch. So enjoy yourself. Try the food. Oh, we forgot to correct the record that they do have a dessert. What was the news story on that, Brady? That it's the Mets egg roll. Yeah. What was the. They do have a dessert one because we kind of swilly and I gave them a hard time for not having a dessert.

[Chris]

Yeah. It wasn't like a special that they were doing that they attributed to a specific team. It's just something that they have on them.

[Brady]

Menu is like a rainbow cookie. Oh, inside the egg roll.

[Katie Nolan]

Wait, like an Italian rainbow cookie.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. I'm actually. It's not what I. That wouldn't have been in my top three guesses of what the egg roll would be. I would have gone like churro cannoli. Cannoli churro. Like fried ice cream. Yeah, but that I like. I'll. I'd try a. And it's in a egg roll. Or the. Or the. Or it's chocolate. You think in the shape regular kind of. I think it's an egg roll with a rainbow cookie chopped up inside of it.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. I'm gonna have to take a look at a picture because I don't. I'm not seeing the vision. But other food based record. Citi Field does have a dessert egg roll. And we're sorry we besmirched your name. We were just looking. None of them are signature egg rolls for visiting teams.

[Brady]

Other food based email correction. We had this week. So we gave a lot of. A lot of credit to Augusta national for paying for the Masters Champions Dinner. We said that of course Rory's gonna pick the most expensive menu that they have there. You know, he's gonna. It was $318 a plate for the Masters Champions Dinner. Like, why wouldn't Rory do it? He's not paying for it. Turns out Rory is paying for it. Like the Masters champion is the one who pays for these dinners. So it's extremely expensive for Rory. Italy, it's already happened, I believe. But like they. It's coming out of his pocket. $318 per golfer now. Tiger's not there. So it's minus $318 for him. But still, it's an expensive dinner.

[Katie Nolan]

What is the average cost per plate for a wedding?

[Brady]

80 bucks. Trying to guess. I got.

[Katie Nolan]

And how many. How many plates?

[Chris]

Because if you're paying approximately 30 to 35 people typically attend, that's not that bad.

[Katie Nolan]

I was right. Let the record reflect it is 29 to 34. Yeah, but if you're spending the per plate, you also, I would assume, have to hire the people to cater it. You have to hire the company that

[Chris]

is, I think Augusta have like their own chefs that are part of it sometimes. I, I read that certain golfers will get their family members if they have a specific dish that they, you know, were inspired by their mother or a family member, they'll get them over to cook the dish as well.

[Katie Nolan]

Crazy. Really?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

A tradition unlike any other.

[Chris]

Really? Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Really? Yes. Really? Yes.

[Chris]

Really? Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Correct. That's from Casualties, the third member of our production team.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

The rest of the Casualties, AKA Chris. Hey, I think that's it. I think we've probably been talking for three hours, so I think maybe we let the people go. Thank you so much for listening to both episodes of Casuals this week and also watching both of them them on YouTube. This one will be out on YouTube on Friday. That's YouTube.com Katy Nolan. Don't forget, if you want to email us about our karate lessons, it's Casuals with Katie nolan gmail.com our voicemail 646-810-0043 ig and TikTok is at Casuals, the podcast. Long week, long week in the news. So we got through it, you guys, and we'll do it again next week. Love you. Mean it. Bye. This episode is presented by gmc. We are professional grade. Hey everyone, it's me, Morgan Stewart and I have a new podcast called the Morgan Stewart Show. Join me each week as I talk about pop culture, fashion, my personal life, and just a warning, I'm gonna be giving my opinion on everything. I'll also have some really fun guests to join in on the fun. The Morgan Stewart show is out now.

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