Giant Rats, Worcester, and Being the Perfect Pro Wrestler | with Orange Cassidy

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Casuals with Katie Nolan
Episode: Giant Rats, Worcester, and Being the Perfect Pro Wrestler | with Orange Cassidy
Date: October 16, 2025
Host: Katie Nolan
Guest: Orange Cassidy (AEW wrestler)

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Episode Overview

This week, Katie Nolan dives into the world of professional wrestling with guest Orange Cassidy from AEW, famed for his “Sloth Style” persona. The episode is a blend of sports banter, wedding shoutouts, baseball talk, wrestling as entertainment, and a candid interview with Orange Cassidy about his unique approach to pro wrestling and his relatable character. The episode is packed with accessible explanations, listener engagement, and plenty of humor, making complex sports culture friendly to "casuals."

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Community Corner: Listener Stories & Weddings (07:24–14:38)

• Weddings Galore: The episode opens with Chris sharing three listener stories, all themed around engagements and weddings—shoutouts to Rigo and Andrea, Chris from Chicago, and Nikki and Amanda from Seattle. Katie and the crew gush about wedding moments and the emotions they elicit.
  • Quote (09:56, Katie): "If you're not crying for me, then we're breaking up on the spot."
• Sports & Marriage: The team jokes about attending weddings, professional wedding guest ideas, and the experience of crying at strangers' weddings.
• Baseball Q&A: Nikki asks about increased pitching changes in the MLB postseason.
  • Expert Explanation (14:41): Katie and Brady break down postseason pitching strategies and roster rules, explaining the three-batter minimum and why more relievers are used.
  • Quote (16:57, Katie): "One of the most exciting things of the postseason, I think, is when you see a starting pitcher coming in relief..."

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2. The Bad Bunny Halftime Show and American Identity (18:27–27:28)

• Katie’s Yap: Katie delivers a passionate monologue about the backlash to Bad Bunny headlining the Super Bowl Halftime Show, comparing public reactions to past performers and pushing back against “counterprogramming” efforts that mask xenophobia.
  • Quote (22:51, Katie): "You're not going to out-family Puerto Rico. What are we talking about?"
  • Quote (24:30, Katie): "You should at least have an artist to announce... it's such a transparent move to go, 'We're gonna do our own show.' First follow up question: 'Who's gonna be there?' And they go, 'Who do you want to be there?'"
• Cultural Commentary: The crew riffs on marketing stunts, Kid Rock confusion, and how halftime show outrage often proves people don’t actually care about football.

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3. Wrestling for the Casuals: Introduction to Orange Cassidy (28:37–36:14)

• Pro Wrestling 101: Katie introduces AEW and WWE to Isabella, who is almost entirely new to pro wrestling. The conversation simplifies wrestling’s appeal—“fighting theater” for a modern audience.
  • Quote (30:22, Isabella): "It's almost like... a fighting theater."
• Why Orange Cassidy Works: Katie explains why Cassidy is a great “entry point”—his jeans-clad, sunglasses-wearing, hands-in-pockets “Doesn’t Care” persona is immediately accessible, silly, and relatable, while his technical wrestling chops are legit.
• First-Time Reaction: Isabella watches an Orange Cassidy highlight:
  • Quote (33:24, Isabella): "Yeah, I love this guy."
• Gateway Wrestler: Cassidy’s appeal is in normalizing the silliness and making wrestling accessible to newcomers.

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4. Interview: Orange Cassidy on Character, Fans, Rats, and Wrestling (39:17–77:45)

A. The Man Behind the Gimmick

• Character vs. Real Life: Orange Cassidy affirms there’s “nothing to break”—his character is just him, taken to a fun extreme.
  • Quote (39:41, Orange Cassidy): "You ask me whatever you want. You live your life. That's what I do."
• Merchandise Talk: Orange reveals the story behind his iconic white t-shirt, bucking wrestling norms:
  • Quote (41:18): "They told me six years ago that white shirts don't sell..."
  • Announces new meta-shirt: a shirt of him wearing his classic shirt.

B. Rat Tales & East Coast Stories (45:10–48:14)

• Philly Life: Recalls living with wrestler Chuck Taylor and confronting a giant rat in their Philadelphia apartment.
  • Quote (45:55, Orange Cassidy): "The rat that was in my apartment and on my bed was as big as my shoe, and the tail was double that..."

C. Sports Fandom & Regional Roots (48:29–54:46)

• Not a Sports Diehard: Cassidy enjoys sports but doesn't let wins/losses affect his mood—a contrast to Katie's all-consuming Red Sox fandom.
• Boston Roots: Orange grew up in Massachusetts (Taunton, Framingham), shares Red Sox heartbreak and moving to Philly, where loyalty depends on city boundaries.

D. Wrestling Philosophy & Audience Connection (56:07–64:35)

• Relatability & Casual Fan Appeal: Cassidy explains why so many “casuals” become fans through his performances. Stories of fans, families, kids dressing as him.
  • Quote (56:11, Orange Cassidy): "That is a very similar story that I hear all of the time. And I take the most pride in that..."
• On Silliness: His character invites everyone to acknowledge wrestling’s inherent absurdity, making it more fun.
• On Wrestling as Wrestling: Pushes back on debates over “fake” vs. “real” — just call it pro wrestling and enjoy.

E. Wrestling & Hygiene: The Realities (65:58–68:08)

• Physical Pranks: Katie and Cassidy banter about the close-quarters, sometimes awkward, realities of wrestling—face-in-crotch, shaving armpits, and avoiding “stank.”
  • Quote (66:57, Orange Cassidy): "There are some stinky people out there… it’s just, like, you don’t. It takes away some stank."

F. On Magic, Relationships, and Halloween (68:11–77:45)

• Magicians & DJs: Both agree magicians are untrustworthy; Katie maintains a "no magicians, no DJs, (usually) no athletes, and no musicians" policy when it comes to dating.
  • Quote (70:10, Orange Cassidy): "You can't trust a magician."
• Costume Ideas: Cassidy jokes about being the ultimate last-minute Halloween costume.

G. Where to Watch

• AEW Dynamite: Wednesdays on TBS and HBO Max
• AEW Collision: Saturdays on TNT and HBO Max
• Wrestle Dream: Upcoming pay-per-view live from St. Louis

H. On Owning Mistakes (74:35):

• Quote (74:45, Orange Cassidy): "This is the thing that I feel like we have a problem with in our world right now is people do not admit when they're wrong. It is okay to be wrong."

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5. Post-Interview Banter & Fantasy Football Updates (81:57–95:16)

• Character Crisis: Katie reflects on interviewing wrestlers in and out of character—mentions run-ins with The Miz and MJF.
• Isabella's Fantasy Life: Despite injuries, Isabella remains undefeated in fantasy football, debating lineup choices and strategies for early morning London games.
• Vibes: Nails, sleep habits, team names, and friendly chatter round out the segment.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Orange Cassidy on accessibility: (56:11)
  "That is a very similar story that I hear all of the time. And I take the most pride in that..."
• Katie on wrestling’s appeal: (30:22)
  "It's almost like... a fighting theater."
• Isabella on her wrestling persona: (83:44)
  "Mine would be... I'm just, like, perpetually scared. Like, in the ring, I'd be like, stop. Get away from me."
• Cassidy on owning up: (74:45)
  "It is okay to be wrong. It is okay to say something, be very, very passionate about it. And it's wrong. But just say it."

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Timestamps

• Listener wedding stories & community Q&A: 07:24–14:38
• Super Bowl Halftime Show talk: 18:27–27:28
• Pro wrestling intro & Orange Cassidy highlight: 28:37–36:14
• Interview begins: 39:17
• Philly rat story: 45:10
• Sports fandom & Boston nostalgia: 48:29
• Relatable wrestling—parents, kids, casuals: 56:07–64:35
• On wrestling’s reality: 62:36
• Physical realities of wrestling: 65:58
• Magic & dating rules: 68:11
• Halloween & AEW events: 76:01
• Post-interview wrap-up: 81:57
• Fantasy Football & closing banter: 85:17–95:16

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Episode Tone & Style

• Laid-back, witty, inclusive: Katie gently demystifies sports and wrestling, always open to “casual” or “outsider” questions.
• Balanced: Mix of personal stories, sincere interview, and playful tangents.
• Accessible: Focused on making wrestling and sports fandom inviting for everyone.

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Suggested for...

• Listeners with only casual sports knowledge or interest.
• Anyone looking for a primer on why Orange Cassidy’s wrestling persona has crossover appeal.
• Fans of witty, personality-driven sports talk and light behind-the-scenes interviews.

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Love sports? Love wit? Want a low-key doorway into pro wrestling? This episode is for you.

Transcript

[Katie Nolan]

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[Jeff Bridges (character)]

Morning Zoe. Got donuts.

[Katie Nolan]

Jeff Bridges why are you still living above our garage?

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

Well I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you teach me.

[Katie Nolan]

So Dana oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly AT T Mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

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[Katie Nolan]

Nice je free.

[Orange Cassidy]

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[Jeff Bridges (character)]

So what are we having for lunch?

[Katie Nolan]

Dude, my work here is done.

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[Katie Nolan]

Did you see the new skims collection Yeah, I did. How would you describe it?

[Isabella]

I don't get it. You know, if you didn't know it, you can grow it on your own.

[Katie Nolan]

It's got. It has. I'm trying to think of. For a listener who hasn't seen it, I just have to say the word. I guess it has pubic hair on it.

[Isabella]

Yep.

[Katie Nolan]

It has a. It comes with a bush.

[Isabella]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

It is called the ultimate bush. And it is a barely there thong with a variety of hair textures and tones attached to the front. Hey, at least they considered their diverse customer base. Yeah, that's important when you're putting a merkin on the front of your underpants. I thought the bush goes inside, right? What are we putting it on the. Out. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Isabella]

The inside of the thong.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

Not inside of you. I was like, that's.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not Katie.

[Isabella]

I think you got to check that out.

[Katie Nolan]

Hey, Katie, did you go to school ever? Hey, that's where mine grows. I don't know what to tell you. Hello and welcome to Casuals, the podcast that wants everybody that believes everybody can love sports and wants to help everybody try. I'm Katie Nolan. I'm your host. Love sports. Love you mean that. Joined today pretty briefly here at the top by my casualties. We have Isabella.

[Isabella]

Hi.

[Katie Nolan]

We have Brady.

[Brady]

Hello.

[Katie Nolan]

We have Chris. Hi. Hi, everybody. If you want to reach out to us, [e-mail]. our voicemail is 646-801-0043. On IG and TikTok, we are asualsthepodcast today. A quick change of plans. We're supposed to have a live show today. Something has come up and plans had to change and so we've pivoted. That's okay. We have an amazing episode for you that we were going to drop as a bonus that now is we're gonna theme around professional wrestling because professional wrestling is a sport and it's one that I know a lot of people don't have an entry point to, myself included originally. And we found a great entry point wrestler with a great entry point gimmick. And he will be joining us here in a little bit.

[Orange Cassidy]

His.

[Katie Nolan]

He goes by the name of Orange Cassidy and we're going to talk to him about wrestling and. And how, you know, how he developed his character and why. I think it's one of the best across pro wrestling for the casual fans. We'll get into all of that. We're also going to show his gimmick to Isabella, which I'm A little excited for. Because I think she's really going to enjoy it. Before we get into that, a couple pieces of housekeeping. Number one, our merch is live. That's right, everybody. Casuals merch. You can buy it. You can now be a part of the team. We got a lot of stuff. There's hats. I'm wearing one right now. It's. I know. Audio medium. I'm just confessing to you. I'm just being honest. I'm wearing the hat. It's blue, it's embroidered, and it's nice. Isabella again, I know. Audio medium, but she is modeling our premium hoodie.

[Isabella]

Can you hear the.

[Katie Nolan]

It's so soft. That gray. It's like a grayish. It's millennial grayish.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

With the Casuals logo with a blue stroke on the outside of it. And then like a. It's the lime green from the logo. Very comfy. That thing I've been wearing, the sample that I had that I picked it from for a while, just as a sweatshirt. It's a nice, soft, beautiful sweatshirt. But there's also tees and enamel pins. I believe we got some socks. So we have a whole bunch of stuff. You go to SiriusXM store.com casuals and if you use the code Casuals, do they have to caps lock it like that or.

[Isabella]

No?

[Brady]

Probably.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, do it. Just try. Did you hear that the younger kids are now using caps lock as the shift button? Like when they want to capitalize the beginning of their sentence, they're hitting caps lock Letter Caps lock.

[Brady]

Why do young people make things harder?

[Katie Nolan]

Isn't that nuts? And they think we're nuts.

[Isabella]

Oh, no.

[Katie Nolan]

That we use the shift button. What are you doing? Isabella, when you type the beginning of a sentence and you cap and I.

[Isabella]

Want to capitalize at the shift.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. Because you.

[Isabella]

I'm only doing caps lock if I'm making, like writing a whole.

[Katie Nolan]

Exactly.

[Isabella]

Or something.

[Katie Nolan]

That's what it's. That's the way the Lord intended, but I guess it was a whole discourse. Anyway, Casuals is the code. It's really creative. And. And get your merch. And you get 25% off if you use Casuals.

[Brady]

So in one day, we've already had demands for new T shirts.

[Katie Nolan]

What do you mean?

[Brady]

You know what? If people have demands, they want Papa Nooner shirts.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, we're gonna do that around March Madness. I want hey, Isabella shirts. I want, like, embroidered little hey Isabella T shirts. I think that's cute. But I also wanted to make sure you were a full time Employee before we put your name on your merch.

[Isabella]

I appreciate that.

[Katie Nolan]

Got you. I got you. We have Chris. You're our mailbox guy. Maven, I think is a female word, right? Maven. I don't know. So you're our mailbox man.

[Brady]

Maestro.

[Katie Nolan]

Maestro. Thank you. Our mailbox magistrate. Is that a thing?

[Isabella]

Why did you pick a new one?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. Cause I wanted to one up Brady. Why would I? Why do I do anything? Chris, do we have anything? Any feedback we need to get to before we hop into this podcast?

[Chris]

Well, we just have a trio of nice stories that I want to share from our listeners. Katie, with all a connecting theme. So let's see if you can figure out what the theme is. The first email is from Andrea, and Andrea says, hi, casualties. My name is Andrea and I'm the fiance of I puk a ring on it.

[Isabella]

Oh.

[Chris]

From our fantasy league. In the show's fantasy league. His name is Rigo.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Chris]

And he has been a fan of the podcast since the start. He talks about it nearly every day and has tried numerous times to get me to be a listener. I'm just not a podcast person in general. But we get married today, and this is. We're recording this on Wednesday. So they are getting married on the 15th of October today. And it would be so super special if he we could get a shout out on the podcast as a congrats. He pulled up the podcast just yesterday to have me listen to the blurb on how much Katie doesn't like the name. So great. It's totally my fault that that's the name because he originally went with that and then changed it to Balls and Chains, which I shut down immediately. So he changed it back. And he's also a huge fan of Katie's fiance, Dan. Yeah, just saw his show when he was in Seattle a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, thought I'd try to give Rigo a huge surprise by getting a shout out from the podcast. Thank you all for doing this show. It brings him so much joy. Many thanks, Andrea.

[Katie Nolan]

Andrea, first of all, congrats. Congrats on the nuptials. You guys did it. You did the thing I've been putting off even planning for a while, and you did it. You did it. And the day has come and you're getting married. Congratulations, you guys.

[Chris]

Starting stuff from India.

[Katie Nolan]

And Rigo, thanks for listening. Thanks for listening and thanks for trying. I still think let's not give up on Andrea in terms of converting her into a listener. I really do think we can get her eventually.

[Chris]

This has got to help. If we're giving you a shout out, you got to be a full time listener.

[Katie Nolan]

But at the same time, we're happy to do this, and we won't expect anything in return. We're just doing it. We didn't get invited to the wedding. I noticed.

[Chris]

That's a good point.

[Katie Nolan]

I had nothing to do, so that's kind of a tough.

[Brady]

I can't guarantee we didn't.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, okay. So maybe we did.

[Brady]

We do get several in the inbox.

[Katie Nolan]

Shout out Rigo.

[Brady]

Check on that one.

[Katie Nolan]

Shout out Rigo. I hope that the. My favorite thing that happens at a wedding is when the bride comes down the aisle and the groom is standing at the front of the aisle, I guess, traditionally, and. Ow. I just scratched myself in the face. And you see the. You see him see her and start to, like, get emotional. I get so. I like to. Yeah. I get so emotional seeing the guy go like, oh, my God, this is my wife. And she's walking towards me. And here it is.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

If you're not crying for me, then we're breaking up on the spot.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right. You guys are full of tears when you first see how hot I look that day.

[Chris]

I'm turning around, reach for the tear ducts.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm heading. Yeah, yeah.

[Brady]

If someone could split screen that on a monitor, that'd be great, because it is hard to look at both bride and groom as they're approaching from each side.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, that is true. I also cry. I've never been to a wedding where when the bride comes out for her first. You know, when she's first revealed that, I don't go like, oh, my God, here I go. I've been at weddings where I've never even met the bride. I'm here because I'm with. I'm a plus one. And the. The bride is marrying their friend. So I barely know this person. And she comes out and I go, oh, my God, so gorgeous. Look at her makeup. Look how beautiful she looks. Look at how he's looking at her every time. And it's probably to the family. They're like, what is this lady sobbing about? We don't even know her cousin. I can't help it. I can't. They get me going.

[Brady]

There's no Katie Nolan, professional wedding guest. I guess bring you in as a ringer.

[Katie Nolan]

Maybe I'm not too bad at it, especially if there's an open bar. So congrats to you guys. We're happy. We're happy that it isn't casual that it's actually quite formal today for you. So happy wedding. And. And we. And the check in the card is from all of us. That's from all of us.

[Chris]

Yes, yes, absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

That gift is on behalf of all of us. All right. That you said a trio, so I assume there's two more.

[Chris]

There is. Next is a voicemail from Chris in Chicago. Let's have a listen.

[Katie Nolan]

Hi, Katie and the casualties. Did you see that? I proposed at the end of the.

[Orange Cassidy]

Chicago Marathon and he said yes. Aw.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm engaged now, so I love you.

[Orange Cassidy]

Mean it.

[Katie Nolan]

And I love him.

[Isabella]

Mean it.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God.

[Chris]

Good for you, Chris from Chicago.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks, Chris.

[Brady]

Love it.

[Katie Nolan]

When was the marathon?

[Chris]

Over the weekend.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God. Congratulations. Did you. And I assume they ran in it, but it's kind of fun just viewing it.

[Chris]

And then at the very end, Chris pops the question. That would be hilarious.

[Katie Nolan]

It's kind of funny if they didn't. Neither of them did. And they just at the finish line were like, wanna get married?

[Isabella]

They're just marathon enthusiasts through Chicago and.

[Chris]

They'Re like, hey, there's the marathon. Wanna get married? Perfect.

[Katie Nolan]

That's actually the coolest way to make a marathon about you is by like, do not participate. Just propose at the end of it. Oh, that's so. That makes so happy. I also was wor. I just had realized while we were listening to his voicemail, I was like, oh. The way I spoke about weddings in that last email, I was a little heteronormative because we were talking about a heterosexual couple. And then Chris from the heavens says, and an opportunity to immediately say that if it were a groom walking out and I saw, I would probably cry exactly the same. Don't think you guys can get out of getting me to cry at your wedding. Chris and whatever the name of your now fiance is. Oh, my God. Congratulations at. So exciting. Oh, I'm so happy. Okay, and you're saying there's a third?

[Chris]

There is a third. This one's from Nikki from Seattle. And Nikki says, hey, Katie and the casualties. My name is Nikki and I'm a born and raised Seattle, Washington resident currently living in South Seattle with my fiance Amanda and our fur babies. I also have been a longtime fan of Katie and listen to casuals religiously during my long commutes to work. I consider myself a pretty big sports girly. Mostly women's sports, but love the approach your podcast has on sports and fandom. And admittedly I am a casual baseball fan, but because the Mariners are on such an exciting and historic postseason run. I have been watching a ton more baseball than I normally do. My question is, are there different rules around switching pitches in the postseason versus regular season? There seems to be a lot of pitching changes happening in the middle of games and innings and an endless supply of pitches, which feels different than just a regular season game. Now, we can answer that in a second, but the reason why I wanted to have this email is because Nikki finishes the email by saying, keep up the amazing work with this podcast and all you're doing in the sports world.

[Orange Cassidy]

Love you.

[Chris]

Mean it. P.S. we are getting married on October 18th.

[Isabella]

Oh, my goodness.

[Chris]

Saturday.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Chris]

So congratulations to Nikki and Amanda who are getting married this weekend. Everyone's getting married. Everyone's getting engaged.

[Katie Nolan]

Game.

[Chris]

What a week. Something in the air.

[Katie Nolan]

Will there be a game? Is there a Mariners game on Saturday?

[Brady]

No, that's the off day between games 5, 5 and 6. Perfect.

[Katie Nolan]

If we need it.

[Chris]

If it makes it that far.

[Katie Nolan]

Because who's to even say? Can you imagine both of those series being at 2? Nothing is confusing to me. Yeah, I feel rather confused where we're sitting. It's Wednesday when you're hearing this, it's going to be Thursday. So there will be a third game in the books and we don't know how that goes. I'm excited to watch that tonight, but congratulations. Good luck this weekend. I hope everything goes swimmingly. Everything I've ever heard about a wedding is that all the planning leads up to the day and then you forget to enjoy the day. So make sure you enjoy the day. And then what was the actual question that we were going to get back?

[Chris]

The amount of pitching changes in the postseason and how there seems to be a lot more.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I think in the postseason. Brady, you probably know better than me the actual rules of how many pitchers you can bring and stuff. I know there was one team that was getting criticized for not bringing enough pitchers or instead bringing too many pitchers and not bringing enough, like, pinch hitters and pinch runners. I don't remember who that was now, but I think in general when it comes to pitching in the postseason, I mean, we are right now, the day after Yamamoto just pitched a complete game for the Dodgers. It. The philosophy is more like you have a lot shorter of a leash on your starting pitcher. So if things start to get out of hand and. And a team is getting a bit of a lead, they will be a lot quicker to pull out that pitcher than they would during a regular season game where, you know, anything can happen in any inning. I think in the postseason it's mostly, you know, you're more likely to pull a pitcher if they're struggling and try another pitcher. Um, there's a fish. There's an. A rule that started a few years ago. Three, question mark, question mark, question mark. Where when a pitcher comes in from the bullpen, they have to pitch to three consecutive batters. You can't pull them before that. They have to see face at least three batters. So that's like rule wise, how long an appearance has to be. It can't be any shorter than that. But that you'll see plenty of pitchers come in for just that amount in the postseason because they are playing to the what side of the plate the batter is hitting from. They are using what arm the pitcher throws with to sort of get the best matchup in terms of based on the math. And then, yeah, they're a lot more likely to pull a guy if he's not being dominant. Because you don't there. You can't just. You gotta win every game in the postseason is the approach. Brady, does that make sense? Does that need more facts?

[Brady]

Yeah. And I think the other point for why there's more pitching changes because there's just more relief pitchers. You really only need three or four starting pitchers in the postseason because they're best of seven series and you have more off days in the regular season. You have a rotation of five guys in the postseason, you only need three, sometimes four. But that just leaves room on your roster to take some of those guys who you would save as starters, put them in the bullpen, and you can just cycle through relievers more often. And also guys aren't too tired to pitch because you have more off days. You just have a lot more pitchers available to you to just keep throwing them at batters based on what matchup is going to be a benefit to you.

[Katie Nolan]

One of the most exciting things of the postseason, I think, is when you see a starting pitcher coming in relief and most of the time they'll say like, hey, this is the first time this guy, I mean, you've seen him on the mound before, but he's never come in in a situation like this. He's never inherited a baserunner. How does that affect him? Is that different? And it's always just, I don't know, cool to see a starting pitcher come in and go, I'll do whatever I can to help out. So I love that. But yes, good noticing for a casual baseball fan. Good noticing that things are different in the postseason when it comes to pitching than they are in the regular season. And go Mariners. We, as a podcast, I think, are comfortable saying that we are rooting for that team. Yes. Sure. Yeah.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. I didn't know it's going to hold out and want to. Well, Toronto can be fun, too. They're also. And I like their fan base, but that Seattle team, I mean, Big Dumper, what a season. If I had to look at that butt plug T shirt for that long, it better pay off.

[Brady]

You know, I want between Big Dumper and Thickie Henderson. Josh Naylor.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right.

[Brady]

So much thigh running around.

[Katie Nolan]

Vicki Henderson.

[Brady]

Oh.

[Katie Nolan]

So go, go Mariners and enjoy your wedding. Maybe by then. Because game five is Friday night, so maybe by then you'll already be onto the World Series. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm not.

[Chris]

Going to celebrate your wedding, Mariners.

[Katie Nolan]

Pretty exciting. And you would be allowed. We wouldn't judge you. You're allowed to pretend you are the most die hard of fans that day. If they make it to the World Series and you're at your wedding, no one's going to be like, she didn't even like them that much. I think that would be silly. And so congrats. Oh, my God, you guys. I loved that. I loved the love at the top of the show.

[Chris]

Yeah. Puts it all. Puts us all in a good mood. I feel. I know. Tone for the episode.

[Katie Nolan]

Right? And then here's the thing. I just remembered that yesterday at the end of the episode, I said, somebody remind me that I want to yap about. And now I'm like, after we set this lovely tone, maybe I should hold off on my upset. Yap. It just really bothered me, you know, they announced that the halftime show is going to be Bad Bunny. An artist that I've admitted I don't have a lot of context for. I don't. That's not necessarily my type of music. I watched clips of famous people that go to Bad Bunny concerts, much like I've watched clips of famous people who go to anybody's concerts. Beyonce mostly just stuff that gets posted online. And it looks like the most fun time being at a Bad Bunny concert. And I stand on I Will die on the hill. Bruno Mars was an underrated, amazing halftime performer. Because even if you weren't a Bruno Mars fan or knew a lot of his songs, he put on a hell of a show. And I feel like Bad Bunny to me goes in that category where I was like, oh, interesting. And I get it from a Marketing standpoint, the league making a business decision. They're always talking about want to wanting to expand internationally. This would bring in a fan who maybe wouldn't have watched the super bowl. And. And now they're getting eyeballs on the product, and the product is, you know, potentially spreading across, you know, Latin America. It makes sense. It makes. It all adds up. And it doesn't offend me. To see how upset people got about this was a little jarring. It was a little jarring. I was a little like, are we being serious about this? It's a halftime performance. It's the thing people used to use to make fun of women who were watching the Super Bowl. I can't tell you how many times I've had people turn and go like, this is the part you're here for, right? It's like, no, I'm here for the football. But yes, I'm also going to enjoy this concert. My favorite halftime show of all time. Just while we're here talking about it, I know Prince is probably the greatest one of all time, but my favorite, the one that spoke to exactly who I was when it happened was the Britney Spears with. I don't even remember who else was in it. Aerosmith, maybe. Also run dmc, maybe. Question mark. It was like a big mishmash. But Brittany wore that. I was on my. I was heavy into Britney at the time, so that was perfect for me. It was just weird. It was weird. And then I saw. I just said I wasn't going to get into it, but then I saw Turning Point usa, the company that's now run by Charlie Kirk's widow, announced that they're going to counter program with a halftime show of their own. And they called it the All American Halftime Show. And I just, first of all, announcing it with artists to be announced later. Crazy. So you have nothing. You've booked nobody. You just want to capitalize on the news cycle and make sure that people don't forget. So, okay, that's blatantly transparent. Then in the replies to this being posted, we're like, let us know who you'd like to hear. You want me to book it? You want the fan? That's like saying you're launching a podcast and going, who should I have as a guest? Or I see this one a lot. Where someone goes, I'm having such and such on the podcast this week. What should I ask? That's your job. You have to figure that out.

[Brady]

You can feel attacked on that one.

[Katie Nolan]

You can do a section of the show where you Go. And now I'm going to go to fan questions. You can absolutely do that as a segment. But sometimes I see people go like, hey guys, I have this person on this week. What should I ask? And it's like, I don't know your producer for some help. This is not the job of social media. And so they posted this thing, they named it the all American halftime show which is telling on yourself. It's telling on yourself because Puerto Rico, ladies and gentlemen, America. Puerto Rico is part of United States. That is our, I don't know cousin I feel like would be the safe. The comparison to what our relationship is with them. That's family to us. Speaking of family, in the announcement of this they said, oh, I wish I had it. They said something like celebrating something. The second thing they wrote was family trying to f. Sorry, you're right. Faith family.

[Brady]

There was a third and freedom.

[Katie Nolan]

And freedom.

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

Celebrating freedom.

[Katie Nolan]

Listen and look, I don't judge any. I'm not trying to make anybody feel about any of their political beliefs. What I am trying to point out is how blatantly obvious it is what they're trying to do here. And I don't think you general person in America is this stupid. Don't prove me wrong. I don't think you're this dumb that when they say that theirs is going to celebrate faith family and what was the last one?

[Isabella]

Freedom.

[Katie Nolan]

How in what way? It just also just. It's glaring to me because when I think of anybody I've ever met who's Puerto Rican, all of my Puerto Rican friends from growing up, any Puerto Rican person I've interacted with family, they win. They've got the strongest family ties. They've got the most like they've got family members who they're like they're not really family, but they are my family. Like the strongest culturally. You're not going to out family Puerto Rico. What are we talking about? But you know what we're talking about? We're talking about all the dog. That's all a dog whistle. It's all a dog whistle to say we don't want that guy and that type of music, speak English. That type of energy and it's embarrassing. That's all. This isn't a yap. This was me saying I'm not doing a yap. But I just wanted to say it's like, I don't know, it's so obviously transparent that I'm embarrassed by it. I'm embarrassed for them.

[Brady]

They act like they're reinvent. They're Inventing the concept of counter programming the super bowl when there have been 21 puppy bowls.

[Katie Nolan]

Excuse me. Let's not erase the puppies, okay? Lots of puppies have found good homes by playing their hearts out, leaving it all out on the field so that they could get adopted at the Puppy Bowl. The Puppy bowl, which, starting last year, I think had. Was it kitten cheerleaders or it was bunny ref. They started to integrate other animals into it, which I thought was kind of fun. The puppies are obviously still the star, but you can. If puppies aren't your thing, you can.

[Brady]

Well, there was a. There was a Kitten bowl also that was launched after. And the Kitten bowl, play by play was called by John Sterling.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, wait, maybe it is for me. Yeah, See, it's actually kind of funny.

[Brady]

It's.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it's okay. You can have your little concert, but I. You should at least have an artist to announce. It's like such a transparent move to go, we're gonna do our own show first follow up question, who's gonna be there? And they go, who do you want to be there?

[Brady]

That's literally the plot of Wayne's World 2.

[Katie Nolan]

Who do you want? And so who's the kind of artist you'd like to see? I don't know. Finish thinking of the idea. You made a graphic before you made a list. Call Kid Rock. I'm sure he's not busy. I'm sure he's not busy. I should also say there's like a. You know, in the era of misinformation, there was a graphic that I think was made as a joke that was circulating, getting picked up by a lot of outlets, that it was being headlined by Kid Rock. That was a. That was not real. That was a fake lineup that somebody put together. So I have. Keeping my finger on that pulse. I'll do that for you so you don't have to. And we'll let you know, I guess, when they announce who it is that's performing. Look, you're allowed to hate the halftime performance. They can't please everybody in the building. And I think in this instance, they tried to please the people who either aren't in the building or who don't usually find themselves in that building. And I think that's fair of them to do. You can change the channel. You can go to the bathroom. You could help out in the kitchen, make some more food for the second half. You could go through the squares and see how everybody's doing and how it's looking like it's Going to shake out. You could gasp, talk to your friends. You could scroll your phone. You don't have to. There's been plenty of halftime shows that I'm like, this is not for me. Tweet your jokes, and then we move back to the game. That's how it goes. To be this upset about the show happening in the middle of the game. You're telling on yourself, you don't like football. You don't. You're not interested in the game at all. How could this upset you this much? It's embarrassing. Grow up.

[Brady]

The graphic that got circulated, touted headliner Kid Rock, performance by Ted Nugent and a special guest appearance by Measles. And it got picked up and circulated.

[Katie Nolan]

Here's the thing. Believable. It is believable. Measles, not a bad band name and currently running rampant. So that's good. I guess we'll see what that turns out to be. Am I happiest if they end up not even pulling it off, or am I happiest if they pull it off and it's embarrassing and, like, the level of like, I can't tell which I'm rooting for more Ba.

[Orange Cassidy]

What?

[Brady]

Da Ba. In an empty stadium. That's what you're going to be happiest with?

[Katie Nolan]

Isabella. Have you ever heard a. You think they're going to do it in a stadium? Have you ever heard a Kid Rock song?

[Isabella]

I think so, but I don't. What's the most popular one? How does it go?

[Katie Nolan]

It's called B with Da Ba.

[Isabella]

Maybe. I don't think so.

[Chris]

I. I actually quite like that song.

[Katie Nolan]

You do? I mean, it was a jam. Yeah, it was definitely a jam.

[Chris]

I'm not changing the channel years ago.

[Katie Nolan]

It wasn't recent.

[Isabella]

I'm thinking of a different artist. There's an artist that I confuse Kid Rock with.

[Katie Nolan]

I actually love you. To figure out who it is.

[Isabella]

No, I'm not. Even if. And if I figure it out, I'm never telling you.

[Katie Nolan]

No, tell us.

[Isabella]

No, it's gonna take me a while to figure out. I'm thinking of a. Fuck. I'm thinking of an artist who. I think you know what it is. I think I'm conflating an artist that did something at a Trump rally or something like. Or maybe when he was. He was inaugurated, it was.

[Katie Nolan]

This sounds like hit rock to me.

[Isabella]

No, but that artist.

[Katie Nolan]

I know there's hands with a gun, the one who bought a bunch of Bud Light and then shot it with a gun, didn't drink it to show that he won't be buying it anymore.

[Chris]

It was the funniest thing ever.

[Katie Nolan]

Isn't he, like, not from the south, even? Isn't he?

[Brady]

No. God, no. He's from, like, the rich part of the suburbs of Michigan.

[Katie Nolan]

That part. That part. Because I'm a cowboy, baby. Yeah. Oh, wait, is that the one that goes like that with the top?

[Isabella]

Because I'm a cow.

[Katie Nolan]

Shining cowboy, baby. Yeah.

[Isabella]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Spent all my time on Hollywood and Vine, is what he says there. That's a cowboy thing to do. He doesn't make a lot of sense. Listen, culturally, at the moment that he happened, it was. It. He has. I haven't seen him evolve in any way since. He's still the same. He's not man rock.

[Isabella]

Um.

[Katie Nolan]

All right, well, let's do what I said we were gonna do instead, which is talk about orange. Cassidy, Isabella.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Pro wrestling. So like wwe, aew.

[Isabella]

They're the same thing?

[Katie Nolan]

No, no, no. Two different leagues. But it doesn't matter. Not important. We don't. Let's not bog you down with details too much. Okay. How much pro. What's your interaction with pro wrestling? When you were a kid, maybe, or if you have a family member who really likes it, anything. The answer can also be zero.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

Pro wrestling is not the one where they're in a cage. Right. They're in a ring.

[Katie Nolan]

They're in a ring. They can be in a cage. But let's, again, not bog her down with details in general. It's a ring. The squared circle, as they call it.

[Isabella]

Very, very little.

[Katie Nolan]

Very little. So, no, like. Like the Undertaker or like Brett the Hitman Heart, or.

[Isabella]

I know the name the Undertaker. And that. That is a person.

[Katie Nolan]

Yep. And, like, Stone Cold Steve Austin.

[Isabella]

I know that name is. I'm sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't ever be sorry. That's just me going like, we have failed you. We don't. We're not giving you the full cultural context. But, you know, pro wrestling, it's not. It's. Okay.

[Isabella]

Don't make fun of me.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not. I won't. I never would.

[Isabella]

Is John Cena wrestling?

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Isabella]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, we're on the board, ma'. Am. The Rock.

[Isabella]

Yeah, okay, Right.

[Katie Nolan]

Famous names. But the. You know, the. We dance around this in the interview as well. It's not that it's fake. It's just that it's scripted. The outcome is predetermined. And they're doing the. They're taking real bumps, as they call them. They are really Wrestling each other. But it is a predetermined for the storyline. It's almost like I've heard it compared to a soap opera that it's like a fighting theater. Yes. Yes. That's perfect. Immediately a perfect understanding of it. I love this. See?

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So Orange Cassidy is a wrestler now. Dan, my fiance, a huge wrestling fan. Like, he would be finding all of the flaws in anything I've said so far. He could tell you like specific matches from specific WrestleManias and what happened. He just. His eyes glaze over. He goes up into his head and you just get to watch him tell you about it in a way that's fascinating. It's fascinating and it's. At points I have to go like, hey, Dan, let's turn it down. A few details you're getting. I'm. You're losing me. I'm lost in all of the information that you have. He. And I've always tried. I've tried to get into wrestling. I. I've been to some. I went to a SummerSlam, a WWE event with my friend Ashley, who I used to have a podcast with. I'm open to the idea, but nothing has ever really fully hooked me because I feel like I'm picking up on like the eighth chapter of something and without knowing all the backstory, it's hard to get as involved. And then I found Orange Cassidy. Orange Cassidy is a wrestler who wrestles in jeans. He wears jeans and a. What's it called when jeans are a shirt? Is that chambray? He wears a good. A jean shirt and a T shirt with his own face on it and sunglasses and he puts his hands in his pockets and his whole thing is that he does not care. He does not care. He does not try. He's cool. And that's his vibe. Just from having it described to you, does that feel like it resonates?

[Nikki]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. I will also say what I love the most about him is that in spite of all of that, he is also an incredibly technical wrestler. He's like very good and does really impressive wrestling stuff when he eventually has to wrestle. But all up until that is kind of his shtick. So I thought we would show you a clip of Orange Cassidy so that you could see sort of the vibe of what it's like when he comes and wrestles. And maybe we can put the link to the clip Chris in the. How do we like let listeners know what clip it is that we watched so that they could watch it too.

[Brady]

We could put that in the episode. Notes in the episode Description.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, we'll put the. We'll put whatever the video is in the. In the notes so that you could watch it too, if that's something that interests you. But here's Isabella watching Orange Cassidy for the first time.

[Brady]

And for anybody who's way ahead of the curve, this is Orange Cassidy against pack from AEW Revolution.

[Isabella]

Oh, so then what does he do?

[Orange Cassidy]

That didn't have to last long. The.

[Isabella]

His hands are still in his pocket.

[Orange Cassidy]

To the king of Sloth style. Pack goes for the trip. Cassidy ducks under. The leapfrog attempt. Cassidy. Oh, her first the hip toss. Now Cazadora rolls through. Crisscross the legs.

[Isabella]

Oh, his hands came out of his pockets, though. Gonna have to deduct a point for that.

[Katie Nolan]

What the hell have I gotten myself into? Amazing.

[Isabella]

Yeah, I love this guy.

[Katie Nolan]

It's amazing. It. I think, like, we get into this in our interview with him, but I think that, like, the. Something about. Because when you're watching grown men in these costumes, at some point, there are these moments where you kind of look at the person who's super into this that you're trying to get into this for, and you go, like, I mean, it's a little silly, right? But you're afraid to say it's silly. You don't want to say, like, the thing that Dan is obsessed with is silly, but you go, like, is anyone gonna acknowledge that it's silly? And then when Orange Cassidy comes out with his hands in his pockets and he's doing his little kicks and the audience is fully in on it, they totally sell that. Like, whoa. It makes you go like, oh, it is silly. And we all know it's silly, and it's actually okay that it's silly. Yeah.

[Isabella]

I feel like accepting that is, like, makes it more fun in the actual experience of doing it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So I feel like he's a great gateway because it doesn't ask you to, like, you don't have to know too much about him. You get his vibe right away. You understand what he's going for. And then, like you said, when it does come time to actually wrestle, you're like, okay, he's actually wrestling. He's actually wrestling.

[Isabella]

Yeah. I was expecting him to. With his hands in his pockets, like, go. Go up with his legs and, like, flip.

[Katie Nolan]

I know, it's wild. There was a time, I think, Brady, I don't know. I assume you have a encyclopedic knowledge of anything that's ever happened in sports, but I think there was a time he, like, jumped off with his hands in his pockets, stood on the ropes and jumped off out of the ring and like hit a guy.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

And I remember being like, that's crazy. How are you not? Because if something goes wrong and your hands are in your pockets, you can't like shield your. But he's just a really good wrestler and it's, it's a fantastic. And what is the correct word for what it is? Because saying gimmick to his face felt like an insult. But it's not Gimmick.

[Brady]

Character.

[Orange Cassidy]

Style.

[Katie Nolan]

Character.

[Brady]

They call his style Sloth Style.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I'm sloth style. Just in general. It's kind of my vibe. Sloth.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Brady]

It's the right word.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it's. It's great. It's great if you're looking for an entry point to wrestling and. And I just think he's a great. It was awesome to meet him. I was a funny story supposed to interview him. He was the first thing that got canceled when as Covid started to happen at espn. I was supposed to have Orange Cassidy on the show. I was so excited. We were all this stuff planned and then that was like, hey, we're canceling that because we think this might be a pandemic. And I was like, what? Stupid. That's not true. And then it never. And then I never stepped foot back in that building again. Little did I know. So it's been a long time coming. It was nice to finally sit down with him. AEW Dynamite on is on Wednesday nights on TBS and AEW Collision is on Saturday nights on tnt. They both also stream on HBO Max. And Wrestle Dream is live from St. Louis this Saturday. That's a pay per view event, right, Brady?

[Brady]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Wrestle Dream. It's Saturday at 7 Eastern on HBO Max and you can get it on pay per View. So that's where you can find Orange Cassidy. It's spelled just like you think if you want to google him and look it up. But he came by last week. We got to chat with him for a little bit about a whole wide range of topics. Let's take a quick break and when we come back, it'll be our interview with Orange Cassidy. I am so excited to be wearing fall clothes again. To be able to put on more than two articles of clothing and not sweat through it. Macy's Fall Fashion Guide is your one stop shop for the season's big trends curated by Macy's style experts. Think Weekend in the country. The new boho and statement luxury. For her, that means romantic flowy dresses from CC sheer looks from Inc. Luxe leather by Donna Karan and Karl Lagerfeld and bold animal prints from Anne Klein, Steve Madden and more. And for him, Levi's bomber jackets, vintage inspired denim statement loafers and relaxed suiting from Hugo Boss and Michael Kors. Shop now at Macy's.com or in store today.

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[Katie Nolan]

Jeff Bridges why are you still living above our garage?

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Jeff Bridges (character)]

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[Katie Nolan]

Nice. Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Orange Cassidy]

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[Jeff Bridges (character)]

So what are we having for launch?

[Katie Nolan]

Dude, my work here is done with.

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Orange Cassidy]

Get off the field.

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

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[Katie Nolan]

Five everyday heroes were launched into space. All contact with the spacecraft was lost.

[Brady]

Due to a sudden geomagnetic storm.

[Katie Nolan]

Mission control do you copy? 911 all new Thursdays 87 Central on ABC and stream on Hulu. Orange Cassidy is our guest today. Thank you for being here. Orange first name Cassidy last name correct?

[Orange Cassidy]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Great.

[Orange Cassidy]

I just had to think about. Yeah yes. That's it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Mr. Cassidy, I always get stressed out when I have to interview a wrestler because I never know if I'm allowed to talk about it. Like, if I have to maintain kayfabe with you.

[Orange Cassidy]

I mean, I don't. You ask me whatever you want. Do you live your life? You do how you want to do it. Because that's what I do.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Orange Cassidy]

And people are like, oh, you know, you never break character. You're never like, there's nothing to break. This is who I am. I really like your mid century modern motif here with the furniture.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you. Yeah, we googled mid century motif furniture and clicked the first few links.

[Orange Cassidy]

What is this? West Elm? Where'd you get this from?

[Katie Nolan]

Probably that might actually be out of our budget. This was probably Wayfair. They have just what we need. First of all, I like your shirt.

[Orange Cassidy]

I really like your shirt, too.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you. This is truly my favorite shirt. And so much so that somewhere on here is a stain from where I cut my puppy's toenails for the first time. She's five now, but she was a baby, and I would, you know, if you cut them too close.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

They, like, bleed like crazy.

[Orange Cassidy]

That's always scary to cut your pet's nails because, you know, you see those infomercials where they show, like, the exaggerated. Like you cut, and then it's like the nerve. And then it's like, like spurting blood and you're like, well, I don't want to do that.

[Katie Nolan]

And that's. I'll tell you exactly how it happens. It's really scary. And I don't think I've cut her nails since I was like, please, somebody help. And it was all over also. Second thing I said was, no, my favorite shirt. But now I still wear it.

[Orange Cassidy]

And I, you know, I like that. I know you wear it because they're designed so that they're really, really soft, and then they will fade as you wash them. Because that's what all good clothes do. And I know if you're really a fan or not, if your shirt's, like, dirty and has stains on it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So I'm a true fan. That's what it.

[Orange Cassidy]

They told me six years ago that white shirts don't sell.

[Katie Nolan]

They did. They being the man.

[Orange Cassidy]

Aw. And pro wrestling tees. When I was first making my. They were like, we gotta get a shirt for you. And I was like, okay, I want this. And they're like, well, it's white. No one buys white shirts.

[Katie Nolan]

I would think the opposite.

[Orange Cassidy]

So you gotta think wrestling fans are kind of like. Kind of like they're. I mean, the wrestling fans are incredible. Different than anybody any other fan group.

[Katie Nolan]

True.

[Orange Cassidy]

But they're like Rocky rock fan, you know, like rock T shirts, band T shirts. They're like black.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

And they have like, black is like.

[Katie Nolan]

Black is their white.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yes. Because it's like black goes with everything and stuff. And I was like, well, I am not like anything else. I was like, I want white. And I've been selling this shirt for six years and I haven't stopped. Ooh, should I do an exclusive for your show?

[Katie Nolan]

Yep.

[Orange Cassidy]

My next shirt is gonna be me wearing. My next shirt is going to be a shirt of me wearing this shirt.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Great.

[Orange Cassidy]

And then we can.

[Katie Nolan]

Great. And then it will just keep being all the way into the soul of the person wearing it. Yeah. I love that.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a really good idea.

[Orange Cassidy]

Would you wear it?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. If it's this soft.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah. I mean, it's gotta be softness of the skin. You gotta have soft style.

[Katie Nolan]

And it's like soft, but it also. I can wear it out and it doesn't look like. Sometimes you can go too soft with a T shirt, which I would then call a sleep shirt. Are you familiar with this? It's like a shirt that you're like, I like this shirt, but I'm not going. I can't go outside in this. People will go, do you wear that to bed? This is an outside soft shirt. It's like a perfect mix of both shirts. Genre.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't want to get too personal.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Orange Cassidy]

And please just tell me to stop. You sleep with a shirt on?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, yeah, I do.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't think. I don't think I've slept with a shirt on in the past 20 years.

[Katie Nolan]

That's fair. I. I should.

[Orange Cassidy]

But like, that's just. But that's just. I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

No, that's boy stuff. I think. I don't.

[Orange Cassidy]

I just would just.

[Katie Nolan]

Do you have anything on the bottom when you sleep?

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah. Yeah, but not even sweatpants, though. Because that's like.

[Katie Nolan]

Me neither.

[Orange Cassidy]

Because that's like. You get sweaty, right?

[Katie Nolan]

100%.

[Orange Cassidy]

Are you a socks sleeper?

[Katie Nolan]

No, I'm not a psychopath. Don't put your socks even in my bed. I don't want. I can't if you have socks on. I've gotten into a fight with ex boyfriends about that.

[Orange Cassidy]

Really?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Like, I can't. That's just. Are you this guy? How long have you been this guy? I didn't know you have to legally tell somebody if you put socks on when you go to bed. I can't be a finding out later in life.

[Orange Cassidy]

Is that your that? Is that an ick for you?

[Katie Nolan]

Sure, that's your ick, if that helps. Yeah, it's an ick.

[Orange Cassidy]

Are you. Is your ick also. Where the toilet paper?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't. It's. I'm not as crazy about it, but I prefer it away. I have a preference, but I.

[Orange Cassidy]

It's over, right? Over?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I don't like it. Up against the wall.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't understand what that logic is.

[Katie Nolan]

For up against the wall, right?

[Orange Cassidy]

What am I doing?

[Katie Nolan]

Here's what it is. Because it worked on me for a while. It's propaganda. It was a meme where somebody that if it's hanging over like this, a spider could be hiding behind it on the other side of the sheet. And when you go to grab the toilet paper, you'd be grabbing a spider. That sounds like a nightmare scenario, but it has never actually happened since I've switched to flipping.

[Orange Cassidy]

That is a nightmare scenario. If you live in a spider's nest. Like, who is like. So remember that thing you were told that you. Like, you swallow three spiders a year and you never know when you're sleeping. Like, that's no way.

[Katie Nolan]

There's no way. If you're tickling my face, I'm waking up.

[Orange Cassidy]

Where are we? Oh, I would love to tell you a story, but it'll creep you out.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. I don't know where to go with that. I think I want to hear it, though.

[Orange Cassidy]

Okay. I moved to Philadelphia and I moved in with my good friend Chuck Taylor, and we lived in right above Fishtown. For people who are in Philadelphia. Not exactly Fishtown. It was Kensington, technically. And we moved in there and we lived next to a Mexican restaurant. And I was sleeping one night and I heard what sound like a raccoon in the ceiling. I could hear it running around. And then this went on for a couple days. And then all of a sudden one night I woke up and I felt like something was on the bed.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no.

[Orange Cassidy]

And I looked up.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no.

[Orange Cassidy]

And the rat that was in my apartment and on my bed was as big as my shoe, and the tail was double that, and it ran across my bed. So I freaked out, obviously. And I'm a little bit of a MacGyver, if you know what I'm talking. If you know what MacGyver. Who MacGyver is. I don't know if people know MacGyver.

[Katie Nolan]

I think it's still land.

[Orange Cassidy]

Okay. Sometimes I say stuff and I'm like, oh, boy. I took duct tape and I turned it upside down, so sticky side up. And I. And I just put it on the floor because I was like. And like, in a light, you know, I was like, all right, this will slow it down. Or whatever.

[Katie Nolan]

Almost like a homemade glue trap.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah. And so then I went to Home Depot, and that's where I discovered that there are mouse traps, but then there's also rat traps.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, they're bigger.

[Orange Cassidy]

That are gigantic. Oh, boy. There's a picture in my cloud or on my phone of I get a text from my good friend and roommate Chuck Taylor, with a picture of the rat dead in the rat trap. Cause you had to put peanut butter on it because cheese just ain't gonna do it. And it is the most horrifying picture because just knowing that thing was around and on me.

[Katie Nolan]

On your bed?

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah. Washed everything.

[Katie Nolan]

I'd move.

[Orange Cassidy]

I did.

[Katie Nolan]

You have to move.

[Orange Cassidy]

I moved six months later.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I would be out. I saw a house. I had a house. Centipede. Have you ever seen those? They're like giant long legs. Hundreds of them, or whatever it was on my bed, which to me violated the contract of a bug in the house. When there's a bug in the house, you always see them, like on a wall or on the floor. They're very rarely on the comforter of your bed.

[Orange Cassidy]

Wait, how big is this thing?

[Katie Nolan]

It's. I mean, it's spindly, so it's like got reach, but it's not like a big. You know what I mean? But it's like a, you know, with all of its legs.

[Orange Cassidy]

Little daddy long leg situation kinda, but.

[Katie Nolan]

Like a little creepier. And I was like, that's it. I move. I threw that bed spread away and I moved. I was too scared. I'm like, if that thing feels comfortable enough getting up on my bed, they must be all over the place.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah. Know, that's terrifying. That's like the thing of like. Well, I saw this one.

[Katie Nolan]

How many are there? Hiding somewhere?

[Orange Cassidy]

What do we got going?

[Katie Nolan]

Waiting for me. Well. So, okay, you mentioned you moved to Philly. Are you a Philly fan of like, Philly sports?

[Orange Cassidy]

I live in Philadelphia.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

There's no other option.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. So are you okay today? This is not going to come out the day that we're talking, but we are talking on the Friday after the Phillies just got eliminated by a pitcher committing a heinous and terrifying error in the 11th inning. And then also the Eagles losing to The Giants.

[Orange Cassidy]

So my friends are. They get really worked up about. And if, you know, we don't really know each other, but if you know me, I. I don't really get worked up. I mean, I. I mean, it's like, even this.

[Katie Nolan]

Not enough to do it to you.

[Orange Cassidy]

I do enjoy sports.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, sure. It sounds like it.

[Orange Cassidy]

I enjoy a nice ballpark.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure.

[Orange Cassidy]

And Sissons bank park is probably one of the best ones. Let's be honest with everybody around it. Does it have the history? No. Who cares? It's a great park.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a good park.

[Orange Cassidy]

You get in, you can get out.

[Katie Nolan]

Yep. It's true.

[Orange Cassidy]

Crab fries. What are we talking about?

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Orange Cassidy]

Come on.

[Katie Nolan]

Underrated park. And I like the fans. I know that's not a common refrain, but it's even this not enough to knock you off your cool guy stand. You're still feeling fine about all of it. Not panicked at all about those Eagles and what's going on.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Orange Cassidy]

You feel there's a. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Orange Cassidy]

If that ruins my day, what am I doing? You know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

No. Because when the socks lose, it ruins my day. It's just how it goes for people that can't be cool all the time.

[Orange Cassidy]

I grew up a Red Sox fan.

[Brady]

Oh.

[Orange Cassidy]

And a Patriots friend.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. When did you make the switch?

[Orange Cassidy]

No, my gasia para.

[Katie Nolan]

When did you make the switch?

[Orange Cassidy]

When I stopped caring damn sick. When I moved to Philly, actually.

[Katie Nolan]

That's really what it is. You just. Philly makes you not care.

[Orange Cassidy]

I would have cared. Cause I was into it. I was into. I was into it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

You know what I'm saying?

[Katie Nolan]

Like, for when the. When it happened.

[Orange Cassidy]

When it happened. Six and I was in the heart of New York City when it happened.

[Katie Nolan]

I feel like I was not.

[Orange Cassidy]

Not the heart. Ooh, that sounds. I was not. If people. People knew where I was, I was in Newark. Newark, New Jersey.

[Katie Nolan]

The heart of New York.

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

No, no, no. I was. But I was in that area.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I was in Long Island. I was so similar.

[Orange Cassidy]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

And I was so the anus of New York City. But let's be real. That's where the real New Yorkers are. They're not actually in, like, those. Those guys. They spit on me. Oh. It was.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

What a time to be alive.

[Katie Nolan]

What a time to be alive.

[Orange Cassidy]

And I think. And this is real. I think it ruined a lot of things for me.

[Katie Nolan]

Huh.

[Orange Cassidy]

Because.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, how good we had it.

[Orange Cassidy]

It was the most incredible thing that people will talk about forever. Right. The idea that this rivalry Was so long. And that down three games to none, they come back and like, yeah. Were you happy that Game 7 was just a blowout?

[Katie Nolan]

I was not in the country for that series. It is my biggest regret in life. My brother was studying abroad in Italy. We went abroad, my whole family to visit him. And while we were over there, tried to find the Sox game, the first game of the series. Cause it's hard to do weird times shift or whatever.

[Orange Cassidy]

Oh, what is the time difference?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't remember. I could look it up. We went up, we found. It was like late at night. We went and found it at a bar. They lost. We did it two nights in a row in different cities because we were going all over Italy. And then when they got down 3, 0, my dad was like, we're not ruining our trip to Italy. Watching this team lose.

[Orange Cassidy]

That is very. Oh, I didn't think about it like.

[Katie Nolan]

That my whole life. And he was like, they're just gonna let us down.

[Orange Cassidy]

We're not doing it and it will ruin the vacation.

[Katie Nolan]

And I was like, I wann could still win. I was a child. I was 18 or something. I was like, we could still win.

[Orange Cassidy]

Where'd you grow up?

[Katie Nolan]

This could. Framingham, Massachusetts.

[Orange Cassidy]

You got rid of that?

[Katie Nolan]

We don't really have it in Framingham. Yeah, you'd think, I guess maybe I've.

[Orange Cassidy]

Wrestled in Framingham a few times.

[Katie Nolan]

It's really where.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't remember. I remember going to Framingham to wrestle.

[Katie Nolan]

We have two exits off the Mass pike, so that makes sense. We've got a lot going on. We're a bustling city now. We were a town when I was there, but they're a city anyway. We just. We never. So I didn't get to see the comeback. I just would check the results in the morning. And I remember going, dad, they won. And he was like, it's one game. I was like, they could keep winning. And then the next day I was like, dad, they won again.

[Orange Cassidy]

Are you like me? And that at that time, you're like, well, we can't watch because we watch, then we'll jinx it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So at that point it was like, well, we got it now I guess we just. I guess now I just have to.

[Orange Cassidy]

We just have to enjoy beautiful Italy.

[Katie Nolan]

And it sucked. Oh, fuck that place. But also I could.

[Orange Cassidy]

Did you like it?

[Katie Nolan]

I know, I loved it. It was great. It was beautiful. But it happened at a bad time. My socks were making a run and I had just gotten my first, like, boyfriend. I was so excited I had a boyfriend, and then I had to go on this trip where I couldn't, like, contact him. I was just wanting to go home.

[Orange Cassidy]

Wait a second. How old are you?

[Katie Nolan]

I was either 16 or 18. It was senior year, I think, so.

[Orange Cassidy]

So you're 17.

[Katie Nolan]

Whatever. It split the debt. And I was so excited to.

[Orange Cassidy]

I had a boyfriend, and I wanted it.

[Katie Nolan]

I wanted to watch the socks with my boyfriend. I was the pitcher of the softball team. He was the pitcher on the baseball team. We should have been sitting.

[Orange Cassidy]

Classic sports power couple.

[Katie Nolan]

So cute.

[Orange Cassidy]

Did you guys run that school?

[Katie Nolan]

No, we did not.

[Orange Cassidy]

Did you guys run Framingham High?

[Katie Nolan]

No, we did not. And that is the name of the school. Where did you grow up?

[Orange Cassidy]

Everywhere. I grew up. My grandparents lived in Taunton. Oh, good area.

[Katie Nolan]

Great. I know of every town in Massachusetts. Couldn't tell you where any of them.

[Orange Cassidy]

Are, but you know what time, you know.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure. I just don't know where it is.

[Orange Cassidy]

Worcester. You know, Worcester, of course.

[Katie Nolan]

That's where we used to go to clubs when we were only 18.

[Orange Cassidy]

That's what.

[Katie Nolan]

Or 16.

[Orange Cassidy]

So I only lived in Massachusetts for a little. A couple, like, three years. And then I moved to Long island and then Jersey and then all that. I'm an east coast.

[Katie Nolan]

Very similar path.

[Orange Cassidy]

Very east coast.

[Katie Nolan]

Same thing as. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

And people say, you go to Worcester for the clubs, kid. And I'm like, what?

[Katie Nolan]

The underage clubs. It was like, 18 to get in, 21 to drink. But once you got in, you're like, I'm here. Hey, lights are down low.

[Orange Cassidy]

You're drinking.

[Katie Nolan]

I can get one of those.

[Orange Cassidy]

I know where I can get a Sharpie and write an X on my hand.

[Isabella]

Right.

[Katie Nolan]

Or also just like, as a girl, you're like, well, I wasn't gonna go up and get the drink anyway, so this is not. It actually removes a middleman for me. Me wrestling. I want to talk to you about wrestling.

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

We are a.

[Katie Nolan]

A podcast for casual fans. I think a casual fan is more likely to have heard of WWE than AEW 100%. But I also think that you are a really, really good. See, this is where I get tripped up. I don't want to call anything you're doing a gimmick.

[Orange Cassidy]

Just say what you say. Just you say what you got to say.

[Katie Nolan]

You got me super into aw. My fiance is a. A huge wrestling fan. Has always loved wrestling. I'm. I like it because I like taking interest in the stuff that he likes. And when he about aw. I'm like, another wrestling. I can't do this. And he goes, watch this guy. Watch this guy. Orange Cassie. I think you might really like him. And he was like, he's, he's. His thing is he doesn't care and he doesn't try. But he's actually a very skilled wrestler, so it's like he's respected. And also being disrespectful. It's funny and it works. And he was absolutely right. I became a huge fan the first time I watched you wrestle.

[Orange Cassidy]

That is a very similar story that I hear all of the time.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

And I take the most pride in that because to me, I've. You watch it now, right?

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

When you.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, not every day. Don't quit.

[Orange Cassidy]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But you watch it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

Like you consider yourself a fan of it. When I go to.

[Katie Nolan]

Or the merch.

[Orange Cassidy]

Right. Amen. There's like, I do meet and greets and stuff a lot. Like, you know, I talk to fans and it's so great, great to actually like, meet the people that actually like you. And not just you go on the Internet and read about all the people that hate you, but like, you know, actually talk to the people there. And I get a lot of, you know, they, they walk up to me and they're like, there's like, you know, another person there which is like, you know, either like an older person or, or a significant other, whatever it is. And they're like, oh, yeah, because of you. My parents come with me now because they get. They want to see you. And it's like, I got my girlfriend, my boyfriend to watch wrestling and come with me to wrestling shows because of you. I show them clips of you and it's like, that makes them want to come. And like this one time this father came up to me and he was like, yeah, I could never bond with, with my little girls. And it's like. And I love wrestling and they don't. They hate wrestling. And. But then you came on the screen and now. And then I looked behind him and there was three little girls dressed up like me. And I was like. And then he was like, you know, I just don't want to, you know, it's not, I don't, I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable. I'm like, I. I was like, you need to tell me that. Yeah, you have to tell me this because then what am I doing? Like, what, what is, what is this existence like, if I can't do something like that, then what are we doing? You know what I mean? So it. That is. I. On purpose. Like, this is what I want to do. Like I want to be relatable. The idea that someone's gonna flip through the screen like so no one flips through channels anymore.

[Katie Nolan]

But I do. I do.

[Orange Cassidy]

You flip through channels?

[Katie Nolan]

I have cable sometimes. I don't wanna pick what I wanna watch. I want somebody to feed me.

[Chris]

You have.

[Orange Cassidy]

Have cable?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, dude, I do. Whatever.

[Orange Cassidy]

You have cable television.

[Katie Nolan]

I do. I can't cut the cord.

[Orange Cassidy]

I think you're the first person I've ever. Seriously. You might be the only person I. I know.

[Katie Nolan]

I know.

[Orange Cassidy]

Except for my like, parents.

[Katie Nolan]

Anyway, you're flipping the channels. You're the one.

[Orange Cassidy]

Whatever. Whatever. Yeah, well, come on. I just, I just said MacGyver earlier. It's like. And I don't want to. Whatever. It's like two men basically in underwear who are jacked.

[Katie Nolan]

Not basically, that's not in underpants.

[Orange Cassidy]

Trying to be respectful. Two men in their underpants, oiled up.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Orange Cassidy]

Not even hugging, like just slapping each other in the chest.

[Katie Nolan]

So funny. Like.

[Orange Cassidy]

From an outside perspective, like that doesn't make any sense. Like, what is this? Why do you like this? I wear jeans, I wear a jean jacket, I wear sunglasses. I only try when I have to and I only do what I have to when I have to. It's digestible. It's relatable. I think it's relatable. Not relatable. It's probably not the right. But like, you get it. You understand?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

And that's like, that was the purpose. Like my wrestling has really entertaining characters. Wild characters. Right. That's what I like. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So you know, it also. It also goes, isn't this also silly? It like does that to a person who's watching it going, but isn't this all really silly? You know, like it. It almost takes out of the room any tension of like. But it's grown men in their underpants slapping each other because of. But it does so without being like, everybody else stinks. At least that's my perspective. I don't know if people, if you've experienced people who like, like bristle within wrestling against your character that are like, you are mocking us. Or if everybody kind of gets it and loves it.

[Orange Cassidy]

I can understand the argument of that with those people, the people that they. But usually those people haven't actually seen me wrestle.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, true. Cuz once you do, you can't go like, this guy doesn't know what he's doing.

[Orange Cassidy]

Well. But then they say stuff like, well, whatever they say Stuff that I'm like. Like, you've definitely never seen a match, like, and I. Maybe you. Maybe you don't care to. That's fine. But I don't think this works if I don't wrestle. You know what I mean? I need to know how to wrestle in order for this to work. I think I take wrestling way more seriously than people probably think I do because I love it and I respect it so much, and I want to know as much as I possibly can. And I overanalyze every single little thing. And I think about it literally 24 7, and, like, I want to perfect my craft. This is what I do. Doesn't mean I'm gonna do all of it, because you do what you have to when you have to. Like, less is more. Whatever that. That garbage is. It's. I like to be like, I talk to a lot of people that aren't wrestling fans. All my friends that I grew up with aren't wrestling fans. It was just me. So I had an outside perspective always when I was watching wrestling. And to me, it's like, I want you just to watch and just be like, yes, okay, have fun. Relax. Just relax. Have fun. It's okay. Enjoy it. You know what I mean? And I don't know how to do that, so, you know, that's. So I try to do that as much as I possibly can.

[Katie Nolan]

It's great. It's great. It works. And, like, the audience buy in of it also helps a person that's trying to get in go like, oh, I'm in on the joke with them. Like, we go nuts when he does a little thing. Like, it's. I love it. I think it's one of the smartest. And again, I'm not a. I'm no scholar of wrestling, but for the era that we're in and where we're all at with knowing that it isn't. That it is scripted, I don't want to say that it's not real, because, I mean, watching you guys slam your bodies into each other, it's real.

[Orange Cassidy]

But, like, that's another thing I just like and I hate. Hold on. Hate's not the right word because I don't want to think I'm.

[Katie Nolan]

You would never care.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't like that you have to feel that way, because that's so stupid.

[Katie Nolan]

What?

[Orange Cassidy]

Like, you're like, well, I don't want to.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh. I don't want to say it's not real because you guys, your body is genuinely getting some.

[Orange Cassidy]

No, no, no. Oh, no. No, no. What I'm basically saying is like, like when that thing was created or whatever, it's just like, I don't know, I just want to move past it. Can we all just. Professional wrestling is professional wrestling. It's unlike anything else.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Orange Cassidy]

So just call it professional wrestling. That way you don't have to be like, is it. Ring is gripped? Is it fake? Or it's like, no, no, it's a show. It's pro wrestling.

[Katie Nolan]

It's pro wrestling.

[Orange Cassidy]

It's just pro wrestling. Like, get over it. And that way you could just have an. Then you could just be like, I'm not afraid to say, I just want to talk to you about it. Great.

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Orange Cassidy]

And we can talk about it.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Orange Cassidy]

Instead of being like, oh, shoot, a. Because of all that dumb stuff in the 80s and the 90s, like, grow up. It's 2025.

[Katie Nolan]

Given that where we are in wrestling as a. I just feel like your. This Persona. I don't know. I don't wanna. Is. Is brilliant because it sort of is like it. It takes all of the. Again, the tension out of any of it. And it goes like. It's silly. And it's also. Watch me do in a really cool way.

[Orange Cassidy]

I just think it's somebody. Somebody said to me, like, they go to watch parties. Wrestling watch parties. And somebody said online, they were like, Orange Cassidy is your friend's friend that they brought to your party and didn't know what it was. Favorite wrestler. And it sums it up very, very well. It's also very like, that's the goal. The goal is for you to become a wrestling fan.

[Katie Nolan]

You're a gateway drug.

[Orange Cassidy]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

You get people in. You sucker us in with a little taste.

[Orange Cassidy]

What was your. What was your.

[Brady]

Was your.

[Orange Cassidy]

Was Your first drug 1 the egg or was it the. I'm not a chicken, you're a turkey.

[Katie Nolan]

It was the egg. Yeah, yeah. This is your brain on drugs.

[Orange Cassidy]

Remember the one that they melted into the couch?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Remember the one with the guys at the drive through that were high? I think this was a later one. And they like.

[Orange Cassidy]

You hear the like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a kid on a bike.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. And like, what's that kid with a bike doing at the drive through? That's what we should be talking about.

[Orange Cassidy]

Also, nobody high drives fast.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. It would just be inching into this.

[Orange Cassidy]

You think they're gonna be like. They're gonna be like, oh, let's. Oh, I'm so high. Hit the brakes, bro. Like, no, I mean hit the. Hit the brakes. Hit the gas, bro. Like, no.

[Katie Nolan]

All right. I mean, I asked you the things I needed to know. Oh, wait, no. You just took a pile drive. Like a pretty tough pile driver. Correct.

[Orange Cassidy]

A pile driver on the stairs? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Ow.

[Orange Cassidy]

It was a tombstone.

[Katie Nolan]

What's that?

[Orange Cassidy]

So pile driver is probably the classic thing. You know what a pile driver of, like, somebody picking somebody up upside down and sitting.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Orange Cassidy]

A tombstone is. They're facing the other way. So they're kind of like 69 position.

[Katie Nolan]

It's really. I just.

[Orange Cassidy]

Hey, everybody. Hey. Everybody knows what I'm talking about.

[Katie Nolan]

It is what it is.

[Orange Cassidy]

You know what I'm talking about. Standing 69. And then the person sits on their knees so your head gets driven into the mat.

[Katie Nolan]

So this brings up for me, how are you dealing with the amount of time you have to spend with your face really close to. To that area of another grown man in underpants?

[Orange Cassidy]

Gotta get over it.

[Katie Nolan]

You just deal with it.

[Orange Cassidy]

And. And let me tell you something about that. There are some stinky people out there. And I. Early in my wrestling career, somebody had stinky gear. And I remember this gold vet guy, whatever he. And he got so mad at, and I didn't really, like, understand at that time where his beef was coming, like, so angry, like, kicked him out of the locker room, threw his stuff, and it's because he stunk. And now I get it. I don't need that in my nose. Like, just wash yourself.

[Katie Nolan]

It's disrespectful.

[Orange Cassidy]

Like, people think we shave stuff because it's like. I trim because it's like, my head. Someone's head's gonna go here. I don't wanna.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, you fully shave your armpits.

[Orange Cassidy]

It's not fully shaved.

[Katie Nolan]

You fully shave your armpits.

[Orange Cassidy]

I said no. I can show you. I like how I said no. And you're like, no. You fully shaved. Is this how you get. Is this. Is this a gotcha interview? Did you. Oh, damn, you got me. I shaved my armpits.

[Katie Nolan]

Look, I think you. I think everybody should be shaving their armpits. You know what I mean? It's not a. Who cares? It's.

[Orange Cassidy]

It's whatever to me. Whatever you want to do. I don't care. It's just. But it's just, like, you don't. It takes away some stank.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, because that would be.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not a scientist, but if I just had to. There's just so many times where I'll just, you know, walk in on my fiance Watching wrestling. And I'm like, that's for an extended period of time while they get ready to jump off the ropes. It's like his face is buried in his lap.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Wild. But you guys, it's. I mean, so professional. You just. Do you never giggle? I never see you guys giggling about your faces being in each.

[Orange Cassidy]

That's the secret. I'm giggling on the inside. Always.

[Katie Nolan]

That's what you got to do as a wrestler is learn to.

[Orange Cassidy]

Can you imagine that? That was the actual secret.

[Katie Nolan]

Giggle on the inside.

[Orange Cassidy]

Gotta giggle on the inside. Are you a fan of magic?

[Katie Nolan]

Sure, I guess so.

[Orange Cassidy]

This is interesting.

[Katie Nolan]

Are you gonna do magic?

[Orange Cassidy]

No.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, I got excited.

[Orange Cassidy]

See, you are a fan of magic.

[Katie Nolan]

I guess. We just found.

[Orange Cassidy]

Apparently I saw something that said, like, close up, magic is like the thing now. And, like, I think people. I'm going to say people, but I think it's like girls in there between 16 and 20s, 20s area, are hiring magicians for their parties. What? Because it's like the newest thing and the amount of females that I've talked, that I've talked to, that I talked to recently say that, like, they love magic. Magic is like the coolest thing ever. And to me, I can't get into it. I can't get on board.

[Katie Nolan]

That is such a reversal, right. Of the perception of magician.

[Orange Cassidy]

Growing up.

[Katie Nolan]

Growing up, every magician who has approached me in a social situation to do magic for me, I can't make eye contact. I'm so uncomfortable.

[Orange Cassidy]

I wish I could remember the person that came up to me in la. He was incredible. He did some incredible stuff.

[Katie Nolan]

Sometimes it's cool once it's over, but it's the doing of it. You don't know if they're a good magician till they do it.

[Orange Cassidy]

Can we make a new show just like talking trash about magic, talking.

[Katie Nolan]

And then they'll put a spell on us and then we'll never have success again.

[Orange Cassidy]

Maybe we should trade more things. I don't think that's how magic works.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know how it works. That's the whole thing.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't know how it work. I was just curious about that because, like, not me.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, no, I'll. I can. I'll. Put your feet on the ground and maintain that. No, magicians aren't.

[Orange Cassidy]

I can do one card trick, but I think I've. Yeah, I. Yeah. Like, you can't trust a magician. No, you can't.

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Orange Cassidy]

And you. If you. You can't trust a magician. If there's one thing anybody takes away from this, that, this conversation.

[Katie Nolan]

Trust.

[Orange Cassidy]

And it's not even a definite fact. It's. I'm just saying I don't think you can trust him.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not saying don't do it. I'll say it as a fact. I'm comfortable saying don't trust. They could steal your wallet and go, it was a trick. It's actually over here. But it's like. Well, I'd like it to stay where it was.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah. Where are your hands?

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Orange Cassidy]

Show me your hands at all times. Show me. Did you ever date a magician?

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Orange Cassidy]

What?

[Katie Nolan]

No.

[Orange Cassidy]

That'd have been awesome.

[Katie Nolan]

No DJs, no magicians. That's the.

[Orange Cassidy]

I like that. What's the top three? No dj, no magicians.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, no athlete for me once I reach a certain. But it's Cause I work, work, you know, here. So it wouldn't make sense for me.

[Orange Cassidy]

Wait, who cares?

[Katie Nolan]

Because I don't. I don't know, it's just a personal thing to cover sports and date an athlete. I don't know. I would feel weird doing.

[Orange Cassidy]

Because you have, you have a very good moral compass.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know, I don't even think so.

[Orange Cassidy]

Or you just don't want to deal with it.

[Katie Nolan]

I think I don't want to deal with it. I don't think. I don't want things to get messy, shitting where you eat type of a deal.

[Orange Cassidy]

You know it.

[Katie Nolan]

And then the fourth would be no dating. I mean, it's like, I'm sure I could find one to love and I bet it would be very rewarding to be loved by them. But musicians.

[Orange Cassidy]

That never ends well.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

Statistically, I think if you, if you really.

[Katie Nolan]

If you did the numbers, if you.

[Orange Cassidy]

Went, if you, if you reviewed the sheets, the numbers really went into it.

[Katie Nolan]

More times than not.

[Orange Cassidy]

I'm going to. I'm going to say it doesn't end well.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

Most of the time.

[Katie Nolan]

A lot of feelings, I think I feel like.

[Orange Cassidy]

And it's a lot of feelings.

[Katie Nolan]

I feel like they've got a lot of feelings. And they're not, they're.

[Orange Cassidy]

Somebody could write a whole album about you and it could be the number one selling album of all time.

[Katie Nolan]

And everyone's like, my favorite song is that song about how you broke and then you're.

[Orange Cassidy]

You're like, oh, that was me. I mean, that was. I was the person.

[Katie Nolan]

Stand up comedian is a little bit like that. That's who I'm marrying. A stand up comedian in.

[Orange Cassidy]

Oh, you.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a.

[Orange Cassidy]

You are in trouble.

[Katie Nolan]

One of his biggest and best jokes currently is about the time that he watched an adult film while I was in the shower and his phone connected to my Bluetooth speaker.

[Orange Cassidy]

And it.

[Katie Nolan]

The sounds.

[Orange Cassidy]

Let me ask you a question. That really happened.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes. And I had to watch him tell the joke. And it's a great joke and it kills, but every time people will go like, is this true? Yeah, it's true.

[Orange Cassidy]

You didn't.

[Isabella]

It's true.

[Orange Cassidy]

So that's the thing. Oh, he was probably like, you're cool. Yeah, you're doing. But like, people would take offense to that. Right?

[Jeff Bridges (character)]

You.

[Orange Cassidy]

You. So I'm saying in real life.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

I'm saying in the situation.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Yes.

[Orange Cassidy]

Not as a comedic joke, but you're like, oh, my boyfriend was watching porn while I was taking a shower. Like, that's like. Like you'd be like, insulted, I guess.

[Katie Nolan]

A little. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little insulted. A little. Like, also, how could you be so stupid? I obviously. How did you not realize your phone was connected to my Bluetooth also? I was getting ready for work. I had work. It was during the pandemic. I had work in like five minutes. I had to go be on TV on a zoom. And I came out. Exactly. And I came out of the shower and he was like, I opened up an email and I was like, we can talk about this after. I have to clean on camera.

[Orange Cassidy]

I opened up an email. What email connects to your Bluetooth? That is sweet.

[Katie Nolan]

King.

[Orange Cassidy]

Maybe. Maybe a top fear of all time. Probably.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

Is now kids growing up. Because I don't. I didn't. I couldn't connect to anything.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Orange Cassidy]

I didn't have a. I didn't have a thing on in. I didn't. I didn't.

[Katie Nolan]

Your porn had buffering.

[Orange Cassidy]

It had to buffering.

[Katie Nolan]

There was no way it was gonna make its way to your parents.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah, we had. We had. Had Good Housekeeping and JCPenney and. And MTV. Whatever. I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

Jerking it to a Good Housekeeping. I don't know.

[Orange Cassidy]

Times are tough.

[Katie Nolan]

I love mid century modern.

[Orange Cassidy]

You really do.

[Katie Nolan]

I can't get enough.

[Orange Cassidy]

What is this? Birch?

[Katie Nolan]

Probably orange. Cassidy, thank you so much for being here. This is very.

[Orange Cassidy]

I don't think we talked about anything.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think we did either, but. Aw. Dynamites on Wednesdays still.

[Orange Cassidy]

So. Aw. Dynamite Wednesdays on tbs, but also HBO Max simulcast. So you can go if you have HBO Max. Not just Max anymore. HBO Max. We're all very happy.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, great.

[Orange Cassidy]

We're all happy for it because I love It.

[Katie Nolan]

You made a mistake and then you went back. You gotta go back.

[Orange Cassidy]

This is the thing that I feel like we have a problem with in our world right now is people do not admit when they're wrong.

[Katie Nolan]

100%.

[Orange Cassidy]

It is okay to be wrong. It is okay to say something, be very, very passionate about it. And it's wrong. But just say it. Say like, you know what? I was wrong. And then let's just move on.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

People can't do that.

[Katie Nolan]

Max is HBO Max.

[Orange Cassidy]

HBO Max.

[Katie Nolan]

And that's a good step in the right direction.

[Orange Cassidy]

That's right. So I love the company I work for. And you can watch that. Then also on Saturdays we have Collision, which is another show at 8 o'.

[Katie Nolan]

Clock.

[Orange Cassidy]

And you can watch that on HBO Max as well. And that's on TNT and we have a pay per view coming up.

[Katie Nolan]

When's that?

[Orange Cassidy]

That's a big dog one. That's. It's called Wrestle. It's Wrestle Dream. And it's in a week. It's in a week.

[Katie Nolan]

Thumbs up. But a full thumb.

[Orange Cassidy]

A full thumb. He. He doesn't.

[Katie Nolan]

He has to try.

[Brady]

He.

[Katie Nolan]

So that you can't.

[Orange Cassidy]

Correct. Because then I wouldn't show up anywhere.

[Katie Nolan]

Exactly.

[Orange Cassidy]

We're talking about Adam. He's off camera.

[Katie Nolan]

He's handler.

[Orange Cassidy]

He's not my. Can you imagine? Oh my God, Adam. You're not my handler. You're. You're the man. I. You could watch us there and then you could also, you know. You know what else you could do?

[Katie Nolan]

What?

[Orange Cassidy]

Just Google aew All Elite wrestling. Yeah, it'll tell you everything.

[Katie Nolan]

I think Google still technically works, right? Yeah, yeah, just Google it. Or Google Orange Cassidy.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah, Orange Cassidy.

[Katie Nolan]

Or Google Orange Cassidy white T shirt. And then buy one. Because I'm telling you, it's so soft.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah, go to. Yeah, it is. It's. It's also Halloween's coming up.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right.

[Orange Cassidy]

And I love, like people. Can't send me enough of them dressing up for me as Halloween. And I'm so proud to be. I gotta be in the running of all time. Last minute Halloween costume.

[Katie Nolan]

100%.

[Orange Cassidy]

Cause if you. If you don't even need. I would like you to have this shirt, obviously, but you could just Magic marker your.

[Katie Nolan]

Or just wear a white shirt.

[Orange Cassidy]

Right? You really could just. And then sunglasses and you could say, oh, no, I'm Orange Cassidy. And when people are like, I don't know who really, then you could pull up a thing. No, these are real. This is a thing. So I take a lot of pride for someone that last minute Halloween costumes all the time.

[Katie Nolan]

We need people like you because we can't all just go out there and be, you know, Tom Cruise in Cocktail. I'm trying to think of all the last minute costumes that I've been that.

[Orange Cassidy]

First of all, all references are really current. We're timely current.

[Katie Nolan]

And.

[Orange Cassidy]

How are you Tom Cruise from costume?

[Katie Nolan]

Isn't that when he comes out in the. In the shirt but no pants slides.

[Orange Cassidy]

Wasn't that risky business?

[Katie Nolan]

That's what I meant.

[Orange Cassidy]

I was like Tom Cruise Cocktail.

[Katie Nolan]

I never saw.

[Orange Cassidy]

Were you just constantly like.

[Katie Nolan]

I was just bartending, shaking, you know, that last minute costume.

[Orange Cassidy]

You know what I think? Whenever I think of that, I think of bar rescue. You watch that show.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Orange Cassidy]

Where they just like, they always like. And you got to smile, look at the camera.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Did you ever work at a bar? We don't have time for this. That's it. This is orange Cassidy.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yep. Sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

Watch him wrestle. It's good. Good.

[Orange Cassidy]

Yeah. Have a good time.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Have a good.

[Orange Cassidy]

Enjoy yourself.

[Katie Nolan]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Isabella]

Nice.

[Katie Nolan]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Nikki]

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[Katie Nolan]

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[Nikki]

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[Katie Nolan]

All right. Wow. Amazing. Big thanks to Orange Cassidy for coming by. What a great guy. I. I get so anxious when you're interviewing someone who has a character because you're like, and now am I supposed to interview you as the character or are you the guy who plays the character? And the only reason this ever got confusing is because of Mike the Miz, when he went and did Sports Nation and I had to go do Sports Nation on my first day at espn. First day, not my show. And I walk on and he starts calling me sweetheart and honey and being sexist to me, and I'm like, hey, I get that. That's a bit for you. We're not at your job. We're at my job on my first day, and you're being a prick to me. And am I supposed to just go, tee hee hee, that's the Miz. Because you're Mike right now.

[Orange Cassidy]

Now.

[Katie Nolan]

And so I only ever call him Mike.

[Brady]

I think it got slightly confusing when MJF from AEW came in to do the Happy Gilmore Press tour, and it was like, no, I'm not going to be in character. And then it ended up being the same exact big, brash New Yorker character.

[Katie Nolan]

It was funny because it was funny in the comments. People were like, I've never seen him break character. And I was like, oh, well, I was interviewing four guys at once. So I wasn't really thinking intricately about any of them. I was sort of just tossing things out to the group. But thank you to Orange Cassie. Very cool. Really nice to meet him. And he let me put on, you guys saw that he unsheathed a brand new pair of his own sunglasses so that we could film that clip that we put on Social of me absolutely Kicking his ass, if we're being honest. I, like, just. He was bloodied. He was.

[Chris]

Don't know how you didn't get taken to jail after that.

[Katie Nolan]

I can't believe they, like. I can't believe they let you guys post it. That's, like, really bad. But, yeah, whatever. We'll take it. We'll take it.

[Isabella]

I just realized that if I were to have a character.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my.

[Isabella]

Yes. Mine would be. I'm just, like, perpetually scared. Like, in the ring, I'd be like, stop.

[Katie Nolan]

Get away from me. Great. Just running. Just, like, holding your. Like, I'd be like, ow.

[Isabella]

And then, like, when I slightly touch them, they, like, completely just fly outside of the ring, like.

[Katie Nolan]

Fantastic. So we, I assume, have a document somewhere of all the things we're gonna make Isabella try in sports. Let's put. Developing a pro wrestling Persona for Isabella. I'd watch that.

[Brady]

This has already been offered. There was a. There was an indie wrestler from the Midwest who wanted to offer Isabella a tryout for their federation in Ohio or whatnot. It's a bit out there.

[Katie Nolan]

We can turn this into something. If we were a TV show, that's a segment, and we'd be working on it. But we are just an audio medium, so we don't have to. But I think we should. I think that's a good. That's a good. I've been to some indie wrestling events. My friend Liz, when I was a bartender, she was a bartender too. Liz Havoc. Shout Out. She was trying to start a wrestling. And I went to. I mean, they. Wrestling. People who are into wrestling are like, die hard. They show up, they're supportive, they get involved. It was fun. It was great. Okay. But right now, the thing that Isabelle is dipping her toe into is fantasy football. We are through six weeks of the season, and this week got a little precarious because I saw, you know, Puka is your big star, Isabella. And I saw that there was some danger in the area, so I thought it's possible that you lost. Did you lose this week?

[Isabella]

I did not.

[Katie Nolan]

Hi, Katie. I won?

[Brady]

How?

[Isabella]

I don't know. The fantasy gods are just on my side.

[Chris]

I mean, clearly.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm shocked. I was.

[Isabella]

I actually really did think I was.

[Nikki]

Gonna lose this week.

[Isabella]

I was like, oh, my God. This is when we changed the. The name. The team name to Puka Full of Sunshine.

[Katie Nolan]

So you're preparing to blame me.

[Isabella]

And so then I was like, no, me. I was like, I caused his injury, but then I ended up winning still, so.

[Katie Nolan]

And what's the update on that injury.

[Brady]

Day to day ankle sprain. It looked bad. I sent the text out, like, in the second quarter on Sunday. I was like, puka's down. It's bad.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Brady]

But then he was up and jogging around on the sideline. He tried to come back in. They didn't let him come back in.

[Katie Nolan]

But, yeah.

[Brady]

Yeah, day to day. He might play this weekend. Probably not, because they have a buy the next week.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, yeah. So I would think you just give him.

[Orange Cassidy]

They're going.

[Brady]

They're going to the.

[Katie Nolan]

Two weeks of rest.

[Brady]

Yeah. They're going to the international game. The Rams play the Jag.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, yeah. Don't fly to London.

[Brady]

The Rams played the Jacksonville football team. I'm not walking into that bear trap. They played the Jacksonville football team.

[Katie Nolan]

Say it and say it properly.

[Brady]

Well, in London, they're playing the Jaguars.

[Katie Nolan]

The Jaguars.

[Isabella]

Oh, that's how they say it.

[Katie Nolan]

They're traveling to London to play the Jaguars. But here we say Jaguars.

[Brady]

Mm.

[Isabella]

So when is he gonna get better?

[Katie Nolan]

Probably after that. It's a sprain. In terms of football, in terms of real life, a sprain would have me sidelined for weeks.

[Isabella]

Yeah, like, I'm not coming in.

[Katie Nolan]

But in terms of football, a sprain is like, oh, thank God. It's just a sprain.

[Isabella]

Oh. It's not like a toe.

[Katie Nolan]

They're like. It's not like it's broken. It's not like a. A. It's not a high ankle sprain, which is a. A longer time to get come back from. It's not a knee. It's not a. It's just an ankle sprain, which basically just means it's just pain. And we expect them to deal with that all the time. So he can. He'll. He'll be back. I would assume they don't have him play in London just because of the travel, and then they just have him come back after the box. So I guess maybe something you should consider in terms of benching him. The game is on Sunday, I assume Sunday morning. Like, early morning.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So you're gonna want to check on Saturday night, Isabella, to see if he's gonna play. And if there's nothing definitive, then you're gonna have to make maybe your first, like, gut call where you just decide. You could also wake up early in the morning and see if he's playing right before the game starts. But I don't want to risk it.

[Isabella]

I say that I can't. I have to lock in my lineup by, like, 30 Thursday.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, if they're if the person who's playing is playing on Thursday you have to have them in their slot for when the game starts.

[Isabella]

Oh it's not like you can. So you can like change up the lineup after Thursday if you wanted to.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. But what you just can't. Like you don't. You're not going to want to start someone whose game was on Thursday because it won't count because you would have had to. They have to be starting at the time their game starts in order for their points to count. So.

[Chris]

And as soon as you have them in the lineup or out of the lineup by the time the game starts they are locked into to.

[Katie Nolan]

To that spot position. So like if you have them on the bench and their game starts you're not going to be able to move them cuz they had a good game. It's like you can't.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

You can only decide once. They haven't played yet. So you could put. You could make this call in the morning and it's going to be early cuz it's the London game so it's going to be at 9 I assume 9:30.

[Brady]

Not. Yeah, 9 or 9.

[Katie Nolan]

So you'd have to wake up really early and see if he's playing and then make the decision. Or you can decide the night before and what you're laughing because 9:30 is not early on a weekend. Waking up at 9 to set your fantasy lineup.

[Isabella]

Oh this is 9 Eastern. Not like 9 in England. And then I have to wa up.

[Katie Nolan]

At 9am Yeah, 9am here.

[Brady]

No, sorry. The notion of the game's at 9:30 so you have to wake up really early.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. On a Saturday.

[Isabella]

I mean. Yeah, Saturday is. I do like to sleep.

[Katie Nolan]

9Am is wild. I get it. If you've got a kid. She doesn't have a kid so she's got every right to be asleep. Still at 9 in the morning.

[Chris]

I have two kids and 9:30 still really early.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

[Brady]

The weirdo.

[Katie Nolan]

Maybe. And I'm just happy that for once.

[Chris]

I like my sleep. Brady and I don't get a lot of it.

[Katie Nolan]

I also haven't slept in it in eight days. I'm running on fumes. Fumes. But I'm getting it this weekend.

[Chris]

Impressive.

[Katie Nolan]

Not waking up for that.

[Chris]

We appreciate your commitment.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you. I'll be skipping that London game. It's not for me. So that's something to look at. Isabella, you might have to sit him if he does play and you've sat him. That's just something that's gonna happen. It's fine. It's not a big deal. Who would you think you would start if you had to start somebody? If you had to move things around round.

[Isabella]

Who else do I have that's a wide receiver?

[Katie Nolan]

Because you could move Pickens from your flex into your wide receiver spot and then flex a running back if you wanted to. If you wanted to. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't have to if you have a running back who's projected to go off. You could do that. Or you could just keep. Keep your. Flex a wide receiver and start a different wide receiver that you have. Who does she have for wide receivers?

[Brady]

Wide receiver? You have Chris Godwin. Godwin for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Who Baker Mayfield has been putting up MVP numbers. They are also playing against the Lions and the Lions best safety Brian Branch will be suspended for that game for punching a dude in the helmet.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, stupid.

[Isabella]

I know about.

[Brady]

Instead of going body below just went after that.

[Katie Nolan]

So it actually might not be a bad idea to start Chris Godwin. And I will say.

[Isabella]

And he's good.

[Katie Nolan]

He's good at. Well, now, this is dated information you're going to get from me now. But when I last had Chris Godwin on my fantasy team, he was like a red zone threat. He was always the guy that was.

[Chris]

Nope, nope. Godwin's not playing.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God.

[Chris]

He's out.

[Brady]

Good update. Good update.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my. What's wrong with him?

[Chris]

Leg.

[Katie Nolan]

Leg?

[Isabella]

Yeah, it says doubtful he has a leg.

[Brady]

Out with a leg.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, never mind. Because of his leg, he's got a stanky leg. So I guess instead slap Pickens in.

[Brady]

There and then your other option would be go with. Well, no, the Broncos are off.

[Isabella]

Oh.

[Nikki]

Remember, I still have one of your three quarterbacks.

[Isabella]

That's what I was just about to say.

[Brady]

Three quarterbacks not off. Broncos have the Giants so you could play.

[Isabella]

That's what I was gonna say. I'm gonna drop Gino and get a. And get a wide receiver.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. And now. And is this the time where we have to explain to her how the waiver wire works? Cuz she still doesn't know and it cost us last time. But Brady, I'm. I would make you do it because.

[Brady]

Wednesday the waiver's already passed.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Okay.

[Brady]

So she can pick up anybody out there right now, just drop Gino.

[Isabella]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

All right.

[Brady]

Gino bad. I don't. There's nothing wrong with dropping.

[Katie Nolan]

Should have no reason to have Gino on your. There's no reason reason.

[Isabella]

I mean, I had. Yeah, I had him at Some point. When. When. When Caleb was on the bike.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. Right. Now, here's a question. With Caleb back and you have Daniel Jones famously having a good season. Yeah. What happens now? Are you going to start Caleb again, or are you going to keep Daniel Jones in there?

[Brady]

Daniel Jones going against the Chargers, a little spicy. Caleb Williams going against the Saints. The Saints allow the spike.

[Katie Nolan]

Not spicy at all. Caleb Williams. I was gonna go with Caleb Williams. Yeah.

[Isabella]

I was gonna do Caleb just because I was like, damn, I missed you for a week. And, like, I want you back.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, of course. And I got my nails done this week at Caleb Williams Nail Salon.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

Oh, my God. I just booked a nail appointment the first time. Like, sorry, this has nothing to do with.

[Katie Nolan]

No, this is good. This is good and helpful. I had a. My friend Andrea texted me, and she goes, hey, I. There's a place right across from you where I get my nails done. You want to get your nails done with me this week and then have a standing appointment every month? And I said, you mean be an adult human woman? Oh, that's true. I would love that. So I'm just Get prepared. I'm gonna be a lady who has her nails done all the time. Now I'm excited. Kind of cool.

[Isabella]

What. What color do you have right now?

[Katie Nolan]

Right now it's, like a brown. She told me not to worry, too. I was, like, panicked over what color to pick. And she goes, if I've learned anything, it's like, nothing is permanent. Like, just. It's not that big of a deal.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Pick a color and get over it. And then if you don't like it, pick a different color next time. But it just. And so they're, like, brown and shiny. They look like chocolate.

[Isabella]

Oh, that's cute.

[Katie Nolan]

Good for fall. Yeah, I'm happy.

[Brady]

Still rocking four pink nails.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, my God. Brady fully does have a manicure. Wait, show them again. Again. That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 nails. Six pink nails.

[Brady]

Couple purples on there.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm sorry. You're right, you're right, you're right.

[Brady]

Four pinks. The Claire's nail polish does not have a long life on my large adult nails.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, but you got to get the gel.

[Brady]

Does that cost more than $1.99? This is all coming out of my budget a little bit.

[Katie Nolan]

A little bit. I think it was, like, 40 bucks. And you need a UV light. One of those lights. You put your hands in the. We can get you the kids kit. All right, you're playing. You beat the summer. I got Purdy. Oh, that's Maria. I was going to say Maria. I wanted to think of it. Yes. And she went to the school that. That all of her players went to.

[Chris]

She drafted, right?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, she drafted. Based off of Iowa State.

[Isabella]

Oh, that's cool.

[Katie Nolan]

And then this week you play the Dick Kicks.

[Isabella]

Who's that?

[Orange Cassidy]

That.

[Isabella]

That's a new team.

[Nikki]

Like.

[Isabella]

Like a different name.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Isabella]

What were they before?

[Katie Nolan]

4?

[Brady]

Because dick picks the Dick Kicks is Carrie's team.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Okay.

[Brady]

I don't know what Carrie's team was before.

[Katie Nolan]

Well, we'll see. We'll see how that goes. Okay.

[Isabella]

Oh, also, Brady, can I make one request? Can you change puka full to one word and then drop the one L?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So it's like it two words.

[Isabella]

So that it's like. Wait.

[Katie Nolan]

So because it's like this, like pocket full, you want it to be like pocketful.

[Isabella]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Instead you have full of sunshine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think she want like, the word pocketful would be one word with one L. You know, like a handful. A pocketful. A puka. Thank you.

[Brady]

Sorry, I'm not up on my bedding field grammar.

[Isabella]

No, you're fine. I just hadn't made a mental note.

[Katie Nolan]

I was like, tell Brady.

[Isabella]

Tell Brady. Tell Brady.

[Katie Nolan]

Next Thursday, Hunter Henry doing it for you from my pates.

[Chris]

First place pates.

[Katie Nolan]

Shout out to the pates, dude.

[Chris]

How's that?

[Katie Nolan]

Pates are kind of good.

[Chris]

Yeah, the pates are kind of good.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm trying not to get ahead of my myself. Good luck with your fantasy team this week. Not that you need it. Not that you need it, but good luck to everybody else in the league because Isabella, undefeated when. When Puka went down, I got tweets of people being like, well, that's it for Isabella. She had a great run there and nothing's gonna. And then here you are. Yeah, you're still standing.

[Isabella]

I am sorry, guys.

[Katie Nolan]

Maybe.

[Isabella]

Maybe I'll try to, like, lose a.

[Katie Nolan]

Little bit in the middle of the.

[Isabella]

Season so you can. Can get you guys.

[Katie Nolan]

Isn't that charitable of her? She can write that off on her taxes. Yeah. All right, everybody. This has been a fun episode. I'm glad we all enjoyed it. If you want to reach us, don't forget, it's Casualswithkatienolanmail.com our voicemail is 646-801-0043. Definitely call us, especially if you are engaged and. Or married or something. We love hearing your exciting news and sharing in the joy of love on IG and TikTok. We are at Casuals, the podcast. We love you. We mean it. Go buy some merch. SiriusXMstore.com Casuals use code CASUITS to get 25% off your entire purchase. Let the people know that you love the show or that your fiance loves the show. And you don't really like podcasts, but if you did, you'd like this one. Grab some merch. We love you, we mean it and we will see you next week. Bye, everybody.

[Nikki]

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