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Casuals with Katie Nolan
Heated Rivalry, Curt Cignetti, and David Beckham's Lower Back | with Jay Jurden
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Hello! It's the podcast that has ALL the relevant hockey stats. Today, Katie and the Casualties react to good friend Charlotte Wilder debunking the notion that Aaron Rodgers' wife is an AI Chatbot, Mike McDaniel taking a job with the Chargers as Offensive Coordinator, BOBROVSKY throwing hands, an Arizona high schooler scoring 100 points in a single basketball game, the crazy-five-years-ago story of Michele Tafoya running for Senate in Minnesota, and the irresistible offer that made AJ McCarron drop his bid for office in Alabama. Then, comedian Jay Jurden [33:52] comes out swinging, discussing his comedy special "Yes Ma'am" on Hulu, Indiana's national championship, Fernando Mendoza likely dropping the first F-Bomb of his life, Carson Beck losing the game two years after graduating and Jay's problem with the transfer portal, Curt Cignetti's wardrobe and watching him crack a rare smile, Lane Kiffin and Jay's viewpoint as an LSU grad, Heated Rivalry and the global phenomenon, hockey st...
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Katie Nolan
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Isabella
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Katie Nolan
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Isabella
Hey, Isabella, did you see that they're doing Survivor 50. We're already on season 50 of Survivor and. And Mike White is coming back. Who's Mike White? He's the guy who's like the writer, creator of the White Lotus on HBO and School of Rock and School of Rock. He's done a lot of stuff, but he's. The last time he was on Survivor he was not as, I guess, famous for this big successful franchise that he runs. And now he's going back onto Survivor. Okay. I don't know. I thought you'd think that was kind of cool.
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Brady
Spoiler. He survived.
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Isabella
You don't know. You don't know, Brady. You don't know what happens. He might die.
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Brady
He at least survived the first time.
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Isabella
I never watched Survivor. Really? Yeah. Like, I maybe have seen stuff. I mean, people who love it, really, really love it. I watched the first seat, like when it first came on tv. It was a million years ago first. And also it was just like a revolutionary. I watched it with my family. Like, we would tune in every night that it was on and like, yeah, gather around and watch. But I haven't watched it in a while. I just think it's crazy that, like, I don't know, somebody that's like that successful in that way is going back onto a deserted island and trying to, whatever they do, eat rice.
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Brady
I think it's crazy that you asked Isabella about a TV show that's older than she is.
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Isabella
What, the White Lotus?
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Brady
No, Survivor.
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Isabella
Yeah, well, but a lot of TV shows are older than Isabella. I can't talk to you about the Simpsons, Brady. Did I tell you I started watching the Simpsons?
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Brady
Hell, yeah.
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Isabella
From the beginning, Whatever the season when it's supposedly, like gets to be. It's five. I think there's like an under. From what I understand, there's a run of seasons that are known as. It's like golden age.
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Brady
It's like five to ten.
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Isabella
I think that. I think we started in five, and we're, like, chipping away at it.
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Brady
So I'm like, are you trying to connect with me?
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Isabella
Your references? Brady, we're gonna be able to start.
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Katie Nolan
Quoting Simpsons on this podcast.
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Isabella
I'm still probably gonna maintain. I'm gonna keep. Probably maintaining my rule of no quoting, because sometimes you just only quote stuff. You just happens with, like, the Office. A lot of people have watched every episode a million times, and they say a quote, and then they look at you, and if you don't recognize it because you're having a conversation, they go like, you don't like the Office? Oh, I'm judging you. And you're like, I just didn't memorize the script. I didn't get the signs. I watched a couple episodes. I liked it. What is this? Hello. Hello. Hi. Welcome to the podcast. It's called Casuals. It's. It's a sports podcast, but it's okay if you don't know anything about sports. That's not why we're here. We're here to share stuff with you and laugh about it and keep you entertained, because I think everyone can be a sports fan. And who am I? Thanks for asking. I'm Katie Nolan. I'm the host of this whole thing. Joined here briefly up top by who we call the Casualties. It's the producers of this podcast program. We have our sports newbie, Isabella. Hi. Our master editor, Chris. Hello. And buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. Brady. Hey, I switched up the beat. Did that make you feel special?
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Brady
I love it.
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Isabella
Great. We've got a couple things to talk about here before we get into our guest today. Who is a good one? It's a repeat guest. You know him. You love him. It's Jay Jerdan, one of the funniest comedians alive. He swings by. We talk about Lane Kiffin because, remember, Jay went to Ole Miss. We talk about Indiana winning the national championship, which, oops, spoiler alert. We've never said on this. We haven't said that on this podcast yet. And I guess we will briefly mention it here. Anyway. And then we talk about heated rivalry. We have held off this podcast has held off talking about heated rivalry because I wanted to watch it first, and I have a lot of stuff to watch, and there's, like, a lot of football on, and I've got Arc raiders that I'm playing with Dan. And so there's like, my time is sort of full. But I did just finish it today. I finished it in the last. I watched the last 30 minutes of episode six in studio when Isabella was setting up for us to record. And I'm. I watched the fifth episode, the, like, emotional center of the show, the one that breaks you. I watched it this morning while I was putting my makeup on to come here, and I had to keep stopping because Isabella. I bawled my eyes out. I know. It's so sweet. It is so sweet. It's so romantic. It's so beautiful. It's so. I don't know, it's like, light. And it's not that. It's not like prestige media. You know what I mean? It's based off of, like, a. Of a romance novel, which is or isn't your genre. I don't judge what people consume, but I don't usually read romance novels. But from what I've heard, is that the way that this show focused on it, it is very true to the plot of the book. A lot of times when people adapt romance novels, they feel like they've got to add a lot of stuff. And what Jacob Tierney did not do with this is add a lot of stuff. It stays really true to, like, centering the romantic connection between these characters. And what a remarkable job it does of that. Isabella, do you agree? I didn't read the book. Yeah, I know, but, like, didn't. The. The whole plot of the show is basically just. There is a side plot of another couple, but it really just zooms in on this, on the love between these two professional hockey players on rival hockey teams. I know, and I think that's what a lot of people love about is, like, one thing I always hear people say is that, like, they just love seeing the yearning. It is. It's. There's so much yearning. There's so much yearning. It's such a masculine display of love. It's like a masculine display of vulnerability. And I don't think we do a great job with that in general, of telling men to be vulnerable. And I think there's something in that show that watching a guy that I would typically think is going to be, you know, he's not going to share his emotions. He's going to keep his walls up as men stereotypically do in romantic relationships. There was something about watching these two incredibly masculine professional athlete men get, like, emotionally vulnerable and sweet with each other. Like, this show fucking ruined me. I feel like such I feel like this is every straight woman's opinion is like I just love their love But I'm telling you even cynical cold me I melted. I'm. I really. I think all the praise it's getting it deserves. I think it's a great show. So we talk about that a little bit with Jay. Jay hasn't finished it yet so he gets it. He understands my plight. There's just too much to watch. There's too much on tv, there's too much content and there's too much to do. So we talk about that a little bit. But I wanted there's some stuff we don't talk about that I want to make sure we get to at the top of the show. We're gonna fly through this of quickly here. First I have to say if you want to reach out to us, you always can. Our email is Casual withth Katie nolan gmail dot com. Our voicemail 646-800-010043 on IG and Tik Tok. We are at Casual is the podcast and we do not judge if you have a question, a comment, something you noticed, something you don't understand. We don't judge you. You can email us, can ask us. You can even do it anonymously if you want to. We don't mind. We just want everybody to know that sports are the best and everyone can love them and they're for everyone. Okay, first order of business and like I said, we're going to fly through these. We've been discussing Brady, you had a theory that Aaron Rodgers was actually married to a AI chatbot. All we know about her is that her name is Britney with an I. No one has seen her. And Brady alleged that maybe she was an AI chat bot. We then said last week that or it was that this week that your theory was gaining a bit of traction. Mariah Rose, a very popular Tik Tok creator, had posted about it. A new update to the story. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. Charlotte and the sports gossip show think that they have found proof of his actual human wife. Brady, are you devastated?
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Brady
I'm happy to be proven wrong.
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Isabella
Yeah.
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Brady
Because I want society and humanity to not get into weird shit like marrying robots.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah.
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Brady
I am happy to be wrong on this.
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Isabella
I try not to judge, you know, and I know people are lonely and we've got a real crisis with that. But I just will urge you to try to make a human, any human connection first before you trust these machines who are programmed to go, yeah, dude, totally. You are God. I think actually you're God. And let's don't tell everybody about this, but you've got the secrets to the universe. That's what's happening. That's what AI is doing. And so, like, let's be. I'm. I'm trying to be sensitive to people who are like, I don't have any friends. And I. I get it. But I. Let's not fall in love with our AI chatbots just yet. At least until the tech gets a little better. Cause right now it's good to make them three dimensional. You know what I mean?
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Katie Nolan
Yeah.
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Isabella
At least wait till we can give them something you can grab onto. You know what I'm saying? Otherwise, I don't think I could call pretty. You know what I mean? That's the point. You know, Let me objectify the thing right now. It's just a concept. I need it to be. I need to. What am I gonna ogle? What am I gonna spank? You know, I'm sorry I said it. I am, but I did. They do. They don't go out. They go out of their way not to say who it is. Basically, Charlotte goes. We traced the steps. There are enough breadcrumb out there. We found her. She seems to just be a regular lady. It sounds like it's the sister of his rapper friend. I don't. What was that? When did that. We've known that. We've known that Aaron Rodgers's closest friend is a white rapper named Mike. We knew that.
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Brady
I feel like it was the white rapper from his high school.
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Isabella
It definitely was. It definitely was Mike Stud. Yeah, I wasn't gonna. But there it is. If you want to look him up, I guess his wife has a sister, and that woman is who we are alleging, or we think is Rogers's wife. And that's fine. The point of this all was to find out if it was an AI Chatbot. And I'm totally with Charlotte. Once you realize that it isn't. I don't want to actually know who it is. And I don't want to, like, dox the lady or talk about it, because that would be what Aaron Rodgers wants. And that's. We're not in the business of giving Aaron Rodgers what he wants. So it's. The theory is dead. I'm sorry. To Brady. It was a good theory. I got very nervous about it picking up traction and coming back to us and getting us in trouble. And so I. I'm. I'm actually kind of really glad it's over.
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Brady
And John Harbaugh is not being held in a gulag. My theories are over 2, and I'm.
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Isabella
How do you know that one? You got that one confirmed.
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Brady
Well, we saw him. We saw something that looks like him with the Giants shaking hands and being introduced to their press conference.
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Isabella
And my dad saw, you know, Cam Neely throw an ax at the Bruins goalie at a press conference. Remember that? People can see stuff that ain't real. You guys. AI ain't just married to Aaron Rodgers. Another update. My best friend, my blood brother, a man who once donated me an organ, Mike McDaniel has gotten another job. He has withdrawn from all head coaching interviews. He had quite a few, and he's now going to the Chargers to be an offensive coordinator. Fine. This is me being honest, because it's my podcast. This isn't sports analysis. As a woman who is marrying a man who was once middle school best friends with this guy and now they are still friends. I have met him a couple times. My thought was not the one I was hoping for now. Was I being rational in my hopes? Yeah. Was part of me hoping he could become the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens? Yeah. Is that stupid? And probably unlikely. Now I see. Yeah. But it. What. What kind of a disservice would I be doing to my husband if I didn't put all of my mental energy towards hoping his friend became the head coach of a team nearby that I could get to with a cool color that we've just recently learned I look great in in that purple. And with a famous fan who I'd be happy to have that connection as well. Stavros. Stavros deserves something good in his life. He's rooted for this team, or Ronnie, I guess, has rooted for this team in a. It's been devastating to him, and I really wanted to see that. I guess I can let that go and I guess I can be happy. I'm. I, I Him taking a step back and going back to offensive coordinator. I can see a situation like this one working out in his favor and him another shot at being a head coach in a year, two, three, depending on how it goes. And he obviously will crush this gig. I wish it was a little closer. LA is far away.
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Brady
They're not playing in New York this year either.
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Isabella
And that's. And I. Well, here's the thing. Why we've gone to see them play in New York whenever it was the Dolphins before, but we've gone to MetLife and I. We've kind of basically said we wouldn't be Doing that again. It's going to. MetLife stinks. Sorry.
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Brady
It's not like you can hang out with Mike while he's coaching you.
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Isabella
Right. And you see him before the game a little bit. But getting into and out of MetLife to watch a game between two teams in my division that I didn't care about who won, it was kind of a tough hang for me. Now, granted, the Chargers wouldn't be in the division, but I still don't think I would go out of my way to go see them play the jets or the Giant. It's just not like I don't think I'd care. So how does this impact. Kind of a bummer that it's far away.
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Brady
Unfortunately, you're not going to know the Chargers by week until about mid, maybe.
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Isabella
Yeah, I don't. That's okay. I don't think he would spend his bye week on our wedding. So I. Here's the thing. The years move quickly. So I'm going, yeah, we're gonna get married in 2025. And now here we are. Or 2026. And now here we are in 2026. And I'm going, like, I don't think we're ready to do this. I don't think we're so. I think we're fine. He would need to get fired from this so he can come to our wedding. But I can. I can get that text message in front of him. I can get that on his desk, and we can get that figured out. He goes to the second dog. He goes to a Dodge dealership and picked out a charger, and we're happy for him in the blue and gold that kind of wears in the same place. And then there was a goalie fight in the NHL. Did you guys see this? Isabella, did you see this? No. There was a goalie fright. Fright between the Fl. Oh, my God. Between the Florida Panthers goalie who we all know. Sergey Bobrovsky. Bobrovsky. And San Jose's Alex Nadelkovich. It was a goalie fight. You don't see goalie fights a lot.
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Katie Nolan
They.
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Isabella
But they went at it, Isabelle. Like, I kind of just want you to. To watch it.
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Brady
But two dudes with the most pads on. It's like Pacific Rim. Just the two giant robots wailing on each other.
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Isabella
A couple weeks ago, there was a lacrosse goalie fight that Brady sent over. It was when we were doing the car episodes, Dan and I, and I was like, you can't send over video. Dan's driving. If I try to show him this we get into an accident. But I did watch it later and I didn't realize, I think, how big the pads on lacrosse goalies are. They are like fully in, like a fake. They're like mascots almost.
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Brady
Yeah. Look, crossballs are hard.
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Isabella
I know, and it does make sense.
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Brady
Dense and they're fast.
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Isabella
It makes sense. But I would just fight. I don't think I'd take any of it off. But do we have. We have the press conference of Nadelkovic's post game interview. Do we want to hear that? I didn't really see much anything.
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Brady
I just kind of heard somebody.
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Isabella
Some of the guys were yelling, Ned. And I turned around and they're, you.
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Brady
Know, Bob was right there. So that was about it. You know, just trying not to get punched, try to throw one of my own and. And also not try to look like too big of a fool doing it. So like I said, I was just trying not to get hit and I wanted to try to grab him, and he just kept throwing and throwing. So I was waiting, trying to wait for the right time. So, you know, it's not anything I really practice. So just like I said, I try not to make too big a fool.
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Isabella
Of myself and try not to try.
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Brady
Not to get hit.
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Isabella
That is crazy if you think about it. Three times is like, I just didn't want to get hit. I didn't want to get hit. And I also have. I've got to be honest with you, I' never considered this situation. And so I was sort of just trying to live through it rather than deploy some sort of strategy that I had thought about ahead of time. I've never considered this. I found myself in a fight and I lived. So shout out to goalie fights. I'm ready for there to be more of them also.
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Katie Nolan
Which is why it was funny, that faux pas before the goalie fright. I think he did get a fright when he's like, what the fuck?
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Isabella
Bobrovsky's skating towards me, dropping his gloves from his own crease, just like beelined down to that end of the ice. And it's just. I can't imagine the thoughts that run through your head when you turn around and go, whoa. What?
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Katie Nolan
Why are you here?
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Isabella
I did not sign up for this. You're supposed to stay over there the whole time. There's no reason you should be down here. So shout out to goalie fights. And then we recorded on Monday, so we didn't get to tell you guys about the national championship. And just in case we are your only sports media that you're consuming. We have to tell you. The Indiana Hoosiers defeated the Miami Hurricane 27 to 21 in the national championship game on Monday night. That is Indiana's first, that is the first 16 win perfect season since Yale in 1894.
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Brady
Remember that?
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Isabella
1894. No one's ever done that since then. And it's also Indiana's first ever football championship win. A school that is famously known for basketball is now they've got the Heisman winner and they won the championship. Fernando Mendoza. Heckin. Heckin. Football player who flippin loves his team said fuck after the game. Aw, yay. Good for him. I was shocked.
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Brady
Huge. It was a reward he was giving himself. Yeah, he said, let's pre game. It's like he told his boys, guy, if we win this, I'm saying that.
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Isabella
I'm saying it. He said, I'm saying it. And a couple of them said, well wait, what? You're saying what? He's like, no, I'm gonna say the F word. They're like, great.
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Katie Nolan
Promising yourself ice cream after you have a salad.
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Isabella
I know. It's the pizza party of the college football national playoff. And that's what he got. He got to say the F word. And I appreciated that. Did you guys see though? This is one of those silly little things. I mean first I should mention the football. He had an incredible 12 yard diving touchdown run on 4th and 4 with 9 minutes left in the game when he did that. I mean everybody probably said this, but Dan and I were like, they win the game. That's the picture. Him diving that ball into the end zone was crazy. It was exciting. And they did end up winning the game. So we are talking about it. But did you see the weird little story? ESPN does these like extra broadcasts around the game. Isabella. So they'll do like you watch the main broadcast that has the play by play guy and the color guy that are talking about the game. And then you can watch these other alternate broadcasts. I was on one of them once. They called it the cool kids table, I think, which I hated. I didn't like, but it was. But it was like me and Tony Reali. I feel like Bomani might have been there just like sitting and like watching the game, but talking about other stuff too while it's going. Just, just to try to get other audiences that maybe weren't tuning in just for the game. And one of the broadcasts that they have is a 4K broadcast with no commercials. It just shows a view of the stadium during commercial breaks. They do not show you commercials. And it's nice unless you are the two fans that happen to be standing right in front of the camera that they cut to within the stadium during what would be commercials. And you don't realize that you and your phones are visible that camera for the entirety of the game. So there was a couple that were standing in front of the camera and they. You see them opening their phone at one point to text messages of screenshots of the backs of their heads and their phones. So you see them realizing, like, we are being broadcast on 4K to the world in between when. When commercials are airing on the.
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Brady
Didn't catch my eye until I realized. Until I saw a phone scre in crystal clear 4K. So like you're seeing everything. And I realized immediately how bad that could be.
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Isabella
It could have been so much worse. Thankfully all we really saw was people telling them that we could see them. We did not have any other sort of mishap. But very funny. And I would be like you. Legally. It's like an obstructed view seat. You should have to tell me that this seat is where the camera is and they can read your phone.
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Brady
Yeah.
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Isabella
No ESPN muttering this.
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Brady
Eventually the cameraman just tipped it up.
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Isabella
Yeah.
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Brady
And was like, no more. No more thank you long enough.
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Isabella
But if you were. If you. If you were monitoring it, couldn't you just seat a couple that was having an affair in those seats? Couldn't you give us something? Couldn't I read the text messages of a man cheating on the wife sitting next to him? Just for fun, just to see.
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Brady
Just for the drama. Really fucked up. And he's gonna hear it the entire.
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Isabella
Game just so we could Coldplay Jumbotron this whole thing. You know. And then a quick one shout out to Adrian Stubbs of Maryvale High School. We have our finger on the pulse. Whatever amount is like allowed and not creepy to have your finger on the pulse of high school athletics. We have that. And Adrian Stubbs scored 100 points in three quarters last week. He's a senior. Needed just three quarters to drop 100 points in a 109 to 25 victory at. Should we even name the other school? I don't think we need to do that. They went to another school and they did that to them there. The other school put up 25 and this one guy put up 100 points and they beat him 109 to 25 on January 13th. 70 of the hundred points came in the first half. He broke the previous state record of 75 points. Which was held by George McCormick since 1966. And quote, said, my mindset is always the same for every game, and that's to kill and do whatever to win.
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Brady
Slow down.
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Isabella
Fucking ball hog. I mean, absolute ball hog. What do you want him to do?
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Brady
I don't know.
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Isabella
Pass, maybe. That's not what he's into. What position does he play? Why pass when he could just do it? I assumed he was.
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Brady
100 points at any level is incredible. Dwan Wagner made a name for himself a million years ago. Like 100 points will stick with you forever. He did the Wilt Chamberlain holding up a picture with the word number 100 on it. Like he recreated that Wilt Chamberlain photo.
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Isabella
That Isabella's so fond of. Yeah. And then, okay, last little thing here. And we're not gonna get too political, but you know, it is sports. Michelle Tafoya filed papers on Tuesday to formally launch a run for Senate in Minnesota. Michelle Tafoya, who we know sports fans know for spending decades working in sports broadcasting. She was most notably a sideline reporter for NBC's Sunday Night Football. She filed papers on Tuesday. She's running for Senate in Minnesota as a member of the Republican Party. She left NBC in 2022 and joined Republican Minnesota Gubernator candidate Kendall Quall's campaign as co chair the next day, confirming a career shift into politics. And that's what we call it, I guess, when you make this shift, this shift that we've seen so many people that work in sports media make, just to give you some background, just stuff Michelle Tafoya has put into the world on her own podcast. Because if you're gonna vote in this, you should know what she's about. She has a podcast episode with the title Hunter Hitler and hand soap, the big three. And the description of the podcast says Hunter. I'm assuming Brady confirmed for me. Hunter Biden.
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Brady
Hunter Biden or cardinal starter Hunter Dobbins? One of the two, I'm gonna guess probably Hunter Biden.
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Isabella
I think it's Hunter Biden. Good bit, but I think it's Hunter Biden. This is the podcast description. Hunter is always in the news, but Hitler, well, opinions about him can get you fired. And Bath and Body Works has made a fabulous business move involving their foaming handset soap. Yes, opinions about Hitler can get you in trouble at work. I don't think that's controversial.
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Katie Nolan
Well, certain opinions about Hitler, right? Not all opinions.
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Brady
You guys are covering up the lead about the hand soap.
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Isabella
I just want to know what are they doing with their foaming product. Please, it foams. How did they change it? She's also openly against transgender athletes. I don't know. Existing. I really don't understand what the solution is for these people, that people exist that they're not into. But she said, quote, it is insane. This whole thing is insanity. Thank God for voices like J.K. rowling and Riley Gaines and others. It's really just those two. It's really just those two. Those are the two. Those are your two heroes, but also the others. She doesn't want to leave you out if you also think trans people shouldn't exist. She wants to make sure you get your flowers. So she mentioned you in the and others. She also called out Mina Kimes, angel, sweet baby angel that we do all we can to protect because we love her, because she's brilliant, because she's smart and curious and interested and caring and compassionate. And my friend Michelle Tafoya said that. What was the whole thing about Tim Walls? Mina said that she liked seeing him be sensitive and masculine, essentially.
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Brady
Yeah. Mina was talking about how he played the role of a coach, but, you know, as like a nurturer or someone who, like, cared about the people he coached and not, like, hyper masculine, throw a chair across the room, angry, toxic guy.
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Isabella
And Tafoya said it just got twisted.
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Brady
Into, like, Mina Kimes oozes about Tim Walls's masculinity. Like, she's like, oh, maybe I care about his. His voting record. Maybe I care about his. His career and what he brings to the state.
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Isabella
Instead of his masculinity, it's just oozing over his masculinity. You know what you're doing and you're doing it on purpose. That's how I feel about most of these things at this point. I'm so mad at everything. I go, you know what you're doing and you're doing it on purp. Purpose. Riley Gaines, you know what you're doing and you're doing it on purpose. All these news, quote, unquote news state, you know what you're doing and you're doing it on purpose. Michelle Defoy knows what she's doing, and she's doing it on purpose. She also attacked Taylor Swift for endorsing Kamala Harris. And that's the nice way to write that, because what she actually did was like a parody video that was like the cringiest, most uncomfortable to watch thing. She parodied a Taylor Swift music video. And I don't recommend she do anything like that again, which maybe she won't because she's formally launching a run for Senate in a state that's got nothing going on in a state where everything's pretty chill, where I definitely go. I'd like to be, I'd like, I think I should be a Republican in this state right now. I feel good about that. That says something. It certainly says something. But I thought this would be a good idea. Brady, for a jumping off point for us to update all of the athletes and sports media people that are running or have run or are talking about becoming politicians. Mark Teixeira, he was supposedly running for a House seat in Texas.
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Brady
Still doing it.
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Isabella
Still doing it.
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Brady
Famous Marylander who, you know, played for the Rangers for a little bit, went to college in Georgia, played for the Rangers, then the Yankees. It's like, all right, let's do Texas.
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Isabella
Texas. And they'll. And you know what? They'll let him. They'll let him. I don't know, even just the, the first three letters of, I guess four letters of his last name, and then you subtract one. There's no I in Tex, I bet. Take that. You can have that for free. That could get you elected. But he's still running from his teammates in New York. I hear people, they don't talk to him anymore. I don't think he still has any friends from the Yankees, which usually for me would make you a friend of mine. This is one of those rare exceptions that proves the rule. What about Jay Feely, former kicker, then kicking specialist, commentator, who once famously watched a kick completely miss going through the uprights and said, it's good one job, sucked at it. Is he still going out for another job?
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Brady
Republican candidate for the House in Arizona.
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Isabella
Great. Oh, another state that's always crushing it. Did they do Martin Luther King Jr. Day yet there? I think they just recently started recognizing that as a holiday. How about daylight savings time? Are they in on that yet or are they still okay? And then we've got former Tennessee football coach Derek Dooley running for Senate in Georgia still. Yes. As a Republican.
- [28:22]
Brady
Yeah.
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Isabella
He's lucky I don't know more about him. Is there anything that I should be saying to dunk on this person?
- [28:27]
Brady
His dad was a coach at Georgia.
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Isabella
They all were.
- [28:30]
Brady
I mean, somehow football coach makes you qualified for Senate now.
- [28:33]
Isabella
Yeah, sure. Speaking of which, Tommy Tuberville running for governor of Alabama, that's still happening still?
- [28:40]
Brady
I believe it's still happening. I mean, it makes him not a senator. That's, you know, a plus.
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Isabella
That's the, the silver lining there. And. And A.J. mcCarron we talked about this. A.J. mcCarron was running for Lieutenant governor. Embarrass in an embarrassingly transparent way. Because, remember, we saw that he registered as a Republican very first time. Like the day before he filed the paperwork to run as a Republican for government. Not great to have a paper trail of how little you've participated in the government process before the moment you wanted it to benefit you as a person. I don't know if we're still going by these rules, but that used to not be what public service was about. It was about serving the public. But I guess now we don't make the past that anymore. You could just do it for you, I guess, for you.
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Brady
Cool.
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Isabella
Is he still running for lieutenant governor?
- [29:33]
Brady
So this went under the radar. AJ McCarron in December announced that he was no longer. He would no longer be running for lieutenant Governor. The statement released was. I was eager to bring a fresh voice and new leadership to the Alabama State House. But football is calling my name once again.
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Isabella
In what way?
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Brady
My football position will require the same 100 focus, commitment and attention that I was prepared to give the office of Lieutenant Governor.
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Isabella
Is he going to Saudi Arabia to play flag football? Brady?
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Brady
He is becoming the head coach of the Birmingham Stallions of the ufl.
- [30:06]
Isabella
He wishes he was going to Saudi Arabia to play flag football.
- [30:10]
Brady
Head coach of the Birmingham Stallions of the UFL became a higher priority than becoming the Lieutenant Governor of Alabama. Tell me you're not taking this seriously without just saying, I'm not taking this.
- [30:22]
Isabella
And here's what. No, nobody ever does. Nobody ever goes, man, that's. I was gonna vote for him. I should really start to think more about the candidates that I vote for because this one registered to vote the day before. He obviously doesn't care about the democratic process. Why would I give him the keys to the place? And instead they go like, well, football was his first love. Who's the next guy? I'll vote for him. Come on, man. It is grifter city out there right now. And the UFL is that. Is that the USFL and the XFL became.
- [31:01]
Brady
Yeah, I think that's the one they all merged into.
- [31:02]
Isabella
Right. Well. And we wish them the most luck. I like the way they did teams in. In places that don't have bigger teams usually, but AJ McCarron as your coach? I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. And then what's going on with Paul Feinbaum?
- [31:18]
Brady
Not running.
- [31:19]
Isabella
Not running.
- [31:20]
Brady
Not running. Not running for Senate.
- [31:22]
Isabella
Not running. Didn't he Also say if something else happened, he would move or something. I feel like he made school.
- [31:27]
Katie Nolan
Didn't win the national championship.
- [31:29]
Isabella
Okay. Where was he gonna move to?
- [31:31]
Katie Nolan
Just overseas.
- [31:33]
Isabella
Yeah, well, we should really. I know people do this sometimes, but we should get on him about that. We should really hold his feet to the fire. You said you'd move, so bye. Right. I know. Otherwise, you can just come out here and say whatever you want to. Didn't we make a guy eat his shoe once? Wasn't there, like, a sports radio guy who was like, if they. Whatever, whatever. I'll eat my shoe. And there was the Meow Mix podcast who said, like, we're gonna stop making a podcast. And then the team started winning, and then they couldn't make their podcast anymore. Like, you're supposed to hold people accountable for the thing. They say, Paul, Fine. Bob talks for a living. If one of the things he says is, I'm gonna move if that happens, go, buddy, go. Do you need boxes? I can have boxes sent to your house. I recommend. Piece of cake. They're a great moving company. And then Herschel Walker, what happened with that? He lost, right?
- [32:27]
Brady
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the last few athletes we've seen, like, Herschel walker lost in 2022, Steve Garvey ran for Senate and in California in 2024. Hasn't gone well. Not saying that, like, no athlete can ever become a politician, but, like, I don't know. It's too much, right?
- [32:50]
Isabella
I don't know. I don't want to speak out of turn. I just feel like if it were a passion for, you know, public service, if it were a passion for helping run the government of the greatest country in the world, if it were about the democratic process, if it were about the serving of the people and making things better, I just feel like a couple of these would be just Democrats. There are no Democrats on this list, which is why it makes me feel like it's more.
- [33:20]
Brady
Yeah. Compiling the list. The one I could find was, like, Colin Allred, who lost to Ted Cruz in the Texas Senate race in 2020.
- [33:26]
Isabella
Again, there are exceptions proving rules. It just feels like these are the titans. It, again, not. Not saying. Not reporting anything, just opining. I feel like it shows that there is a party that recognizes the. The fame and pull and draw an emotional connection that we put on athletes and then does a great job of pitching that athlete on how it can serve them, and it becomes simpatico, and they run them out for that. That, to me, makes more sense. But what do I know? We're just a little sports podcast. All right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a quick break, and when we come back, we will be joined by one of our favorite guests, a repeat guest here on Casuals, Jay Jurden, a hilarious standup comic. He's got a new special out on Hulu that I believe he lists all the places you can watch it. Tubi was in there, I think. YouTube TV. Just search him up, follow him on your socials because he's very funny. He's a poster. He's messy. He'll say. He'll say it, and he does. We talk about Olympic fashion, international fashion for the Winter Olympics. Coming up, we talk about heated rivalry. Like I said, we talk about college football. All of that and more coming up after the break. Build your Applebee's ultimate trio. Your pick of three apps and three sauces mixed your way. Kick it off with classics like mozzarella sticks, boneless wings and wonton tacos paired with marinara, ranch and honey barbecue. Craving crunch? Try new crispy pickle fries, onion rings, and double crunch shrimp with Mexi ranch, buffalo, and sweet Asian chili. Perfect for sharing on date night. With over 80,000 possible combos, everyone can find their match. Limited time, price, participation and selection may vary. Tax and gratuity excludes.
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Katie Nolan
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- [36:53]
Katie Nolan
Yay.
- [36:54]
Isabella
I'm so happy you're here.
- [36:55]
Katie Nolan
I'm so happy to be back with you, Katie.
- [36:57]
Isabella
We have so much to talk about.
- [36:58]
Katie Nolan
Yes.
- [36:58]
Isabella
And so much to catch up on. Let's start with. Because it just happened. Oh, wait. Let's start with your plugs. What are we plugging? Where are you?
- [37:05]
Katie Nolan
I'm here to talk about my special on Hulu. Yes, ma'. Am. It shot in New Orleans last year. It came out November 7th. It's doing very well. But now it's available on Hulu, Amazon, Tubi, I think YouTube TV. You can watch it with ads or without ads. It's very funny. I would say. If we're thinking sports, it's a high octane offense. Are we thinking d'? Antoni? I give you a laugh every 15 seconds. No breaks. Greatest show on turf.
- [37:35]
Isabella
Yeah.
- [37:36]
Katie Nolan
Greatest show on turf.
- [37:37]
Isabella
Well, and what happened there?
- [37:38]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. And what happened there? Yeah. I went from bagging groceries to telling jokes. Okay.
- [37:45]
Isabella
I'm very happy that you're here. We have a lot to talk about. My fear is that I'm gonna run out of time with you. You won't. So you gotta keep me moving. Let's start because it happened the most. And I know you're into it. Let's start with Indiana winning the national championship.
- [37:57]
Katie Nolan
Yes. I love it. Who doesn't love a youth group? Youth minister winning the national championship. Fernando Mendoza. Too cute to curse. And he did.
- [38:07]
Isabella
And then he did.
- [38:08]
Katie Nolan
And then he did.
- [38:09]
Isabella
And then he said a F bomb.
- [38:10]
Katie Nolan
He said the F bomb.
- [38:12]
Isabella
And he said it like a guy who's trying it out.
- [38:15]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [38:15]
Isabella
A guy who's like, I've heard this before. It was so cute.
- [38:19]
Katie Nolan
And he said it clean shaven with just a twinkle in his eye. Also, shout out to him for never backing down from his Cuban American. That makes me so happy that he goes, why'd I speak Spanish. Cause my grandparents speak Spanish. What's wrong with y'? All? Don't y' all wanna talk about football? Y' all wanna talk about that? I love that for him. I also love winning college football with a bunch of men who decided to stay in college. And also, I say that, but then also, I have to add, and I'm also glad that a man who's been in college for too long didn't win.
- [38:50]
Isabella
My goodness, get a job.
- [38:51]
Katie Nolan
My goodness, get a clock in.
- [38:53]
Isabella
Can you imagine being asked in a pregame press conference, like, if you've got class, instead of going like, well, you know, class was hard, and I'm working towards a degree to just go like, lady, I graduated two years ago. I don't even know what school is anymore. Oh, my God, you've been here so long. You should know how to do this right by now. You should know how to be the quarterback of the team before the game.
- [39:16]
Katie Nolan
And I know it should just stick to the X's and O's, but my God, Katie, he looks like he graduated seven years ago. Jesus Christ. If you don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about Miami quarterback Carson Beck. Carson Beck, who is. I mean, wow, wow, wow, wow. I thought this administration had aged me. Jesus.
- [39:34]
Isabella
It's just like, we can't. At some point, I understand it's how the rules work. I understand that the money coming into the sport has changed the. You know, sometimes now they're suing the NCAA because, like, making them go to the NFL would cost them money. It's like, it is a Wild west situation. Somebody has. We cannot have full grown men with, like, haggard beards eventually quarterbacking our college football teams.
- [40:01]
Katie Nolan
That was the. I forgot to tell you. I'm also here to announce that I have four years of eligibility left. I am going back to college. I never used any of them.
- [40:09]
Isabella
So cashing them in now, it's just absurd, Jay. And it's like, you know me, I'm always thinking about a casual fan and how confused a casual fan would be to go, what do you mean? The guy that quarterbacks the college team doesn't even go to college? How is that possible?
- [40:26]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, and you know what I say to casual fans? A lot of casual fans, they're worried about trans women and women. So you need to be worried about the transfer portal. Okay? That's what you need to be worried about. I don't care if you find your gender identity and expression later in life. I need you to get out of school, though. Okay? These people. I don't care what you decide to wear. If it's a dresser, if it's high heels. But I also want to know, stick to one jersey, baby boy.
- [40:51]
Isabella
I also just feel like people are so, like, men can't compete in sports against women. It's like, okay, well, adults can't compete in sports against kids. What are we doing?
- [41:00]
Katie Nolan
Get them out of the school.
- [41:02]
Isabella
36, he's so old, he's getting mailers from AARP. He cannot be under center for a university. It just doesn't make any sense. I don't get it.
- [41:14]
Katie Nolan
It was wild that he said, I don't go to class. Just lie.
- [41:17]
Isabella
Lie, babe.
- [41:18]
Katie Nolan
Be like, I'm doing some online stuff. Yeah.
- [41:20]
Isabella
I'd be like, yeah, I'm enrolled. And it's a difficult thing. And it's, you know, obviously my focus is on football, but I love the university. They've got such great graduate programs. Anything else?
- [41:31]
Katie Nolan
My mom used to make this joke about kind of like college courses that she didn't think meant anything. Like, if you're actually taking underwater basket weaving, please get those three credits. Get some ceramics. I don't know, man.
- [41:43]
Isabella
Just take a blow off course and then lie about it. I mean, it's crazy to just go like, I don't do class, but it's.
- [41:49]
Katie Nolan
Amazing as a comedian. I go to Bloomington a lot when I do the Comedy Attic. And to see that football program become a powerhouse, really, over three years, just destroy any and all limitations. And the way people used to. To think about Indiana football, it is so impressive. I went to two SEC schools and I'm not one of those, like, conference homers, but I'm so happy that a school can really hunker down, focus on something and get the job done. It was beautiful to watch.
- [42:14]
Isabella
It was beautiful to watch. It was a fun quarterback, like you said, Heisman winner. It was a fun coach. My question for you. Well, fun, I know, maybe not fun. Did you see that? He had formerly. His daughter, I think, texted him after their last win and was like, are you having. And he was like, no. Or like, are you happy? And he said, no. And then she just updated. She texted him after the national championship and said, are you happy now? And he said, yes in capital.
- [42:40]
Katie Nolan
Okay, now here's the thing, America. The way that we view college football coaches, we love a stern man who is fun behind closed doors with his team. We love Nick Saban for that. Just kind of like scowling. He's Matt Rat Poison. We love that we Love him for the same reasons. And I would also say when someone is too fun in front of the cameras, we know exactly who they are. Lane Kiffin. When someone is smiling a little too much, we know exactly what they're gonna do.
- [43:08]
Isabella
100%.
- [43:09]
Katie Nolan
And that's the other reason I was very excited for Indiana to win because Miami B. Ole Miss. I went to University of Mississippi. It is very funny. I will say I did tell Seth Meyers this when the cameras weren't rolling. You know who really won in the battle between Ole Miss and University of Michigan? Somebody's coke dealer. That's who actually won. You know who won? Columbia. That's who won. You know who won? Credit cards that look a little too chalky. That's who won. People who like to go to the bathroom five, six times a night. That's who won. When it comes to Miami versus Ole Miss, if I know anything about those two institutions, man.
- [43:46]
Isabella
And that is the main thing to know. Signetti. During this run, it appeared as though he was wearing a. A windbreaker jacket, shirt, shacket, half zip.
- [43:59]
Katie Nolan
Half zip, short sleeved.
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Isabella
Nothing under it.
- [44:02]
Katie Nolan
Nothing under it.
- [44:03]
Isabella
It's not confirmed because at one point I do think I might have seen like a wrinkled up polo shirt. So maybe he just had two deep V's. But absurd to me, the thought of. Of raw dogging a windbreaker.
- [44:16]
Katie Nolan
Unconventional thought. Is how you win football.
- [44:20]
Isabella
Keeping your neighbor nipples chafed is how you stay focused.
- [44:24]
Katie Nolan
That's why he's frowning all the time. Oh, my God.
- [44:26]
Isabella
He's like. The pain. It's cracking.
- [44:28]
Katie Nolan
There were some of my. Some of my friends. Who was it? I think. Yeah. Brendan Scannel. He was watching one Indiana game and he and his partner were like, what. What is I. Is this special edition? Did they make this thing just for him? I don't see this on any other website.
- [44:46]
Isabella
And maybe it's just because it's. So. Who would want it? Why do you want a. And it's. It's short sleeved in that. It's not a long sleeve garment, but they are long, short sleeves. It's like a three quarter baggy. It's like a baggy pant on a. On an arm. I'm very confused by it.
- [45:03]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. Is the Indiana head coach a fashion girly? Hey.
- [45:07]
Isabella
It's worth asking questions that need to be asked.
- [45:09]
Katie Nolan
We love an interesting silhouette. We.
- [45:12]
Isabella
We sure do. You mentioned Lane Kiffin.
- [45:15]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [45:16]
Isabella
I always forget you went to Ole Miss. I did.
- [45:19]
Katie Nolan
I did. Which is very funny because if you're a young black person From Mississippi, you go to Ole Miss, you go to one football game on a Saturday, there are a bunch of red white faces saying go Rebels. And you go, Wait, what?
- [45:31]
Isabella
Wait, when you, and when you say Rebels, you guys mean what?
- [45:34]
Katie Nolan
You guys mean Star Wars?
- [45:35]
Isabella
What do you mean when you say that? I was going to say I was an Ole Miss fan for five minutes because I rooted for them in the postseason cuz I wanted to, I wanted it to curse Lane Kiffin. I thought what he deserved for jumping ship and going to LS was to. He deserved to watch Ole Miss go and win a championship without him and then never be able to win one himself. That was what I was rooting for. And even just the five minutes I spent rooting for that school, I was like, I don't feel this reflects on me well. I don't like the people I'm associated.
- [46:04]
Katie Nolan
With in this situation. It's such a complex way to kind of experience college football because it's college football. But it's also this like sort of like rich cultural problematic and like, I don't know, oddly honorific southern culture. And so for him to behave the way he behaved is not only like a bad look as a football coach, but it's not really what a gentleman does. It's not what a Southern gentleman does. Katie. So that was the other thing. He went and did all this kind of sneaky private plane bullshit, like left like so quickly and like had that weird moment after the egg bo. That was the thing. Cause I was watching the Iron bowl with my husband and my sister in law and so they had a vested interest in. They wanted Auburn to win so then it could mess up the SEC standings. And in my head I was like, this is so messy. People who don't know how messy and how drama filled and backbiting and gossipy college sports has been and will continue to be. You just have to look at the Ballad of Lane Kiffin. It went from him being like, oh, he's like a coach who kind of bebops around to like, that wasn't even his dog.
- [47:18]
Isabella
Like that's, that wasn't even his dog.
- [47:21]
Katie Nolan
They were like, that's just.
- [47:22]
Isabella
Whose dog was it?
- [47:23]
Katie Nolan
They were like, that's just the dog from the Raising Canes pictures. And that's why he went back to Baton Rouge. Like it's insane.
- [47:28]
Isabella
They really investigated that man's dog to find out if the dog got abandoned at a shelter after he abandoned the team and he left. Look, I don't know, I. It just did that drive you nuts? When he left, were you like, what the hell?
- [47:43]
Katie Nolan
I had, like, a clip that went pretty. It went pretty viral about me confronting an LSU fan at the Cellar. And I, like, made fun of him.
- [47:52]
Isabella
My algorithm is not serving me because that's made for me.
- [47:55]
Katie Nolan
It's made for you.
- [47:56]
Isabella
It was not being put on my desk.
- [47:58]
Katie Nolan
I pointed at them, I said, I hope you know Baton Rouge means pink wiener, you sissy. You know? And then, you know, and then this happened. So was it my fault? I don't know. Was the universe attempting to humble me? Oh, my God.
- [48:18]
Isabella
You're the Etsy witch behind all of this.
- [48:21]
Katie Nolan
Ole Miss football commented. They loved the post, they loved the clip, and now. Damn.
- [48:27]
Isabella
Damn. He really is.
- [48:28]
Katie Nolan
I was Icarus. Yeah, I was Icarus. I flew too close to this side.
- [48:30]
Isabella
Damn. Well, he's gone, and it's almost better that way. What bothered me the most about it is the way he spoke about his time at Ole Miss where he was like, I know I was this way before, but Mississippi really slowed me down. And I've, like, gotten in touch with who I am as a. And now I better understand myself. And then he pulled that same Lane Kiffin shit he always pulled on his way out the door.
- [48:52]
Katie Nolan
It was some single moms in Oxford on the square who slowed him down, I'll tell you that much. And he's at lsu. And I do take a little bit of joy in the fact that that program and that fan base is gonna be so, so rabid towards him. They're going to be so upset if he doesn't do it in two years, in three years, they're going to be. They're going to treat him way worse than Brian Kelly because this is. It's a hot ass mess that they made public that now they have to win. They have to.
- [49:23]
Isabella
They have to. He has to win right away.
- [49:25]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [49:25]
Isabella
And if he doesn't find success right.
- [49:27]
Katie Nolan
Away, he has the money, he has the facilities, he has the recruitment. It has a storied history. It's still SEC school. They have national championships. It's still within that, you know, Saban legacy. He has to do it. If he doesn't do it, he's a bust at Ole Miss. He was a surprise. He. He could run that town.
- [49:42]
Isabella
I know. That's why it's so crazy to me. That's why I think he deserved the backlash, because I've seen a lot of people go. It's the way that the college football schedule is. It's not his fault. He wanted to stay he wanted to coach them and he asked and they wouldn't let him. And some of that I get. Some of that it is college football needs to figure its fucking shit out. The schedule and the calendar of the transfer portal opening and et cetera. None of it makes any sense right now. Yeah, I get that.
- [50:08]
Katie Nolan
Truly none of it makes sense. But Cal is in the acc. Nothing makes sense.
- [50:12]
Isabella
Absurd.
- [50:13]
Katie Nolan
Nothing makes sense.
- [50:14]
Isabella
But at the same time, let's not let Lane Kiffin entirely off of the hook for a sec. Like to say that you, you know, this town, they weren't. That they loved him. He, like, turned things around and then he was just like. And good luck in those playoffs. I'm going to write into my contract at L that if you guys win, I get a bonus from LSU and he can't.
- [50:35]
Katie Nolan
And they don't. He. He gets their money no matter what. There's a. The way that he set that contract up. Oh, my God.
- [50:42]
Isabella
But then he says in a press conference, I don't know anything about the money. I don't. I let other people worry about that. I don't look at that kind of stuff. I just think.
- [50:48]
Katie Nolan
But once again, once again, Katie, I'm not a 23 year old CO ed. It's not my job to spank Lane Kiffin. I can't focus on that, man.
- [50:57]
Isabella
Did you hear about the yoga? Did you believe the yoga classes thing?
- [50:59]
Katie Nolan
That.
- [51:00]
Isabella
Yoga classes, the tik toks of the ladies being like, thank God that guy's gone. He was terrorizing my hot yoga class. He was just come in here and be a monster and stare at himself in the mirror. I bought it immediately. I don't know if that means I'm a sucker or what.
- [51:14]
Katie Nolan
I believe it. I can see that man walking in in the thinnest T shirt looking down at you over those Maui gems, saying, what's up, boo? I know exactly what kind of man that is.
- [51:24]
Isabella
Wearing a visor.
- [51:25]
Katie Nolan
Wearing a visor.
- [51:26]
Isabella
Oh, my God. Absolutely disgusting. And we wish him all the best.
- [51:29]
Katie Nolan
And you know what I say to that, Katie? Fair. Very fair.
- [51:32]
Isabella
Very fair. All right. Does that sum up college football? Anything else big in college football that you're hot on that you like, gotta get off your chest because those are my big.
- [51:42]
Katie Nolan
Those are the big ones for me. I don't. I saw someone asking, why is Michael Irvin allowed to coach players on the sideline?
- [51:50]
Isabella
I mean, he was like, on the field for one of the games. Like, he was in the way of the reference. I was like, hey, Michael, I think.
- [51:58]
Katie Nolan
There'S something that we kind of unofficially call the old head doctrine, where if you went to the school, you do get to kind of.
- [52:06]
Isabella
You're like mascots.
- [52:07]
Katie Nolan
You kind of mascot. Also, there's this very funny image of Ed Reed in the huge hat.
- [52:15]
Isabella
Oh, my God. Consoling a player who was sad because he lost made me laugh. So hard to have a legend come.
- [52:22]
Katie Nolan
Over legend truly change the way that we look at the DB position. But, my God, that cartoonish.
- [52:29]
Isabella
It's like, for anyone who hasn't seen it, please go look it up. But it's like a. It looks like a baseball cap, but it's gigantic.
- [52:36]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [52:36]
Isabella
And just, like, with his arm around a player who's like, oh, no, I just lost the big game.
- [52:41]
Katie Nolan
Hey, man, it's going to be okay. Get the fuck away from me, man. Get that stupid ass hat off your head.
- [52:50]
Isabella
Oh, my God. Beautiful image. An absolutely beautiful image. Okay, I have to know. We've been putting off on this podcast discussing heated rivalry.
- [53:00]
Katie Nolan
Ooh. Okay.
- [53:00]
Isabella
I am a big hockey fan. Always have been. Obnoxiously, when I was younger, was always going like, nobody cares enough about hockey. And so I saw this coming when people were talking about the books and before it was an HBO show. And I'm like, we're about to have a collision between hockey and. And this fan base of a lot of straight women, which we will address. But of this gay, romantic, like a romance novel being made into a show, I saw it coming. I had my eye on it. Cause hockey's not been great with LGBTQ stuff as of late, and it has, in the time since become this huge phenomenon.
- [53:41]
Katie Nolan
We've created a coalition of horny people that have so much time on their hands and really know how to control the Internet and narrative. So that's part of it, I think. The other part of it is that if you want hockey to become important culturally, if you want it to move its way up the top four sports rankings, you do need something like this. Because now people go, oh, the Capitols are having a pride night, and they're playing heated rivalry on the Jumbotron. This. This situation, I think, is something we haven't seen in a very long time. Cause we're getting to see two stars get created. We get to see a tiny TV show, a Canadian hockey TV show.
- [54:16]
Isabella
Crazy.
- [54:17]
Katie Nolan
Which is like their new. Which is like their. This is like their third hockey TV show on that network. And they've kind of done a few other iterations of this, but this one from the book Game Changer, and heated rivalry. Now it's just kind of blown up. And I think it's beautiful. I was lucky enough to sit in the same chair as Connor's story. Yeah, I did Seth Meyers the same day as him. I sat in the chair. The indentations were still there. Yeah, I love it. I love every part of it. I almost bought a Rangers hat this winter, but then I looked at the record and I was like. Like, I don't wanna.
- [54:51]
Isabella
I'll watch maybe, but I'm not ready.
- [54:53]
Katie Nolan
To rep it yet. I was like, I don't want this. Not at all. So I'm excited for. I'm excited for all the. The horny hockey people.
- [55:01]
Isabella
I mean, listen, you're a great point about two stars. I feel like everything now is like existing IP being rehashed, but with a new batch of more famous people who already have an audience that will bring in the. Everything is based on of. This is happening in comedy too. It's happening in, like, in tv.
- [55:21]
Katie Nolan
Well, we talked about it a little bit before. It's people trying to rig the system. They go, oh, I wanna Moneyball this. So I wanna look at this algorithmically, not necessarily look at, like, what people enjoy. I'm gonna say, oh, this is how this works. Specifically, it's the idea of, like, always take a three, never settle for a jump shot. Always take a three. Always take a three. And you kinda go, well, from a storytelling perspective, I don't know if that's the most interesting way to get a point across. And then once again, if we wanna tie it to basketball, I don't know. You have SGA who wins with a good midi. You have Giann with, like, good dominant slasher. Like, you have people who still are successful at doing this this way. Just because this works sometimes doesn't mean everyone across the board has to do it this way. And with heated rivalry, we get to see, oh, we can create new stars, we can tell new stories, we can have fun, sexy romance stuff. We can see new people's butts.
- [56:09]
Isabella
And. And we do.
- [56:10]
Katie Nolan
We've been trying to see new people's butts for years.
- [56:13]
Isabella
And couple of good butts they picked.
- [56:15]
Katie Nolan
Do you remember that ad a couple years ago? Yeah. Okay, everyone. Katie just sighed and it was a knowing sigh.
- [56:24]
Isabella
I've spent a lot of time around this sport and have and may be familiar.
- [56:29]
Katie Nolan
I mean, they did the hockey. They did the hip stretch on the Tonight show with Jimmy Fallon. They did the infamous. If you've never seen the clips of some of the hockey players Opening up their hips on the ice before a game.
- [56:41]
Isabella
A good stretch.
- [56:42]
Katie Nolan
A good stretch.
- [56:43]
Isabella
A good stretch that medically makes a lot of sense and vision, but also might visually be interesting to some.
- [56:49]
Katie Nolan
You could say I'm excited. I mean, more hockey butts, more fun, horny hockey people.
- [56:55]
Isabella
I. I mean, those guys skyrocketed to fame overnight. Like they're. I've seen the numbers on their Instagram follows that. It's like through the roof from. From nothing. Which is such a big part of why it's cool to watch. And it's. They're both really great. And I had been putting off watching it and then got to one of those points. You ever get to one of those moments in this current climate of media where you're like, I have a backlog of nine things I'm expected to watch.
- [57:18]
Brady
Yeah.
- [57:18]
Katie Nolan
You.
- [57:18]
Isabella
I need to be chipping away at these things.
- [57:21]
Katie Nolan
Society is your teacher. And they're like, you have homework.
- [57:23]
Isabella
You have homework. And if you don't get this done, you're falling behind. It's moving on without you.
- [57:27]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. And you can't participate in the group.
- [57:28]
Isabella
Discussion to the point where today, before I got to episode five of heated rivalry last night.
- [57:35]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. This is the. That's the one. That's the one.
- [57:38]
Isabella
The one that were the emotional. Because they front load the sex.
- [57:41]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [57:41]
Isabella
They hit you with the sex up top early.
- [57:43]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [57:44]
Isabella
Which I hadn't watched a lot of guy on guy sex. But I have actually since dived into the numbers and I'm fascinated by this keeps getting reiterated and I should have made a point.
- [57:56]
Katie Nolan
So, you know, I've been watching a lot of game film. Yeah.
- [57:58]
Isabella
When it comes to break this down, I do have a lot of questions.
- [58:00]
Katie Nolan
Okay.
- [58:01]
Isabella
The. Apparently the like 50 of the audience for gay porn is like, like or less than, like just below 50. We don't win it. Straight women.
- [58:11]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [58:11]
Isabella
And I was like, oh. But then when you go through all the reasons why, all the theories as to why, makes perfect sense to me.
- [58:18]
Katie Nolan
There's a freedom. You don't see a woman necessarily having to deal with anything. There's also an intimacy. There's an imagination aspect of it.
- [58:25]
Isabella
Right.
- [58:25]
Katie Nolan
And there is also a component. Like these boys, they're going to town.
- [58:30]
Isabella
And they're both gonna finish.
- [58:33]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. They're both.
- [58:34]
Isabella
And there is a respect for both of them finishing. When one is done, the other goes, your turn now. Without it being like, do you want me to do it to you?
- [58:44]
Katie Nolan
No, no, no.
- [58:45]
Isabella
Do I have to get you. It's not like an implied, like, you're making me now go down on you. It's like the guy goes, and now your turn. And you go like, oh, yeah. It could be like that.
- [58:56]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, it's nice. And I think there's a freedom in sort of of this. There's a freedom in viewing sex that isn't necessarily the sex that you have, but you still find it sexy, you still find it hot, you still find it taboo. There's a freedom in viewing that.
- [59:16]
Isabella
And it's also, for me, it was sort of really, I felt really nice to see intimacy that I recognized, but not in the way that, like what you were just saying. It's not the way that I engage in sex. But I was like, oh, my God, these two are really into each other. I was like, blushing by. Like, it was. And that's what I think a show like this should be like. Nobody's saying, like, tune in and watch the gay sex. And if you don't like the gay sex, you're, it's just like, no, this is the normalization of all different types of relationships. So why stuff like this is so important. But then I worry it gets so swept up in discourse.
- [59:57]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [59:57]
Isabella
That people are like, is this an accurate representation of gay sex? This is because that was the big first controversy.
- [60:04]
Katie Nolan
Well, they kind of wanted to see what happens before and what happens after. And I would just argue that anyone who wants a 100% truly accurate portrayal of gay sex. I have some sights for you. I have some.
- [60:18]
Isabella
We are not lacking. There is not a dearth.
- [60:21]
Katie Nolan
I have some. Listen, if I'm being honest, I have some friends in New York City who can show. They might even waive the subscription fee. I have some friends who can help you out if you actually want to see the From Soup to Nuts, if you want to see. If you want to see how the sausage is made. None of these turns of phrase are comforting. I have some boys. Listen, we're in midtown. Hell's Kitchen is a stone's throw away. I have some fellas who can help help you out.
- [60:53]
Isabella
I, I, I also just feel like I'll watch a rom com, like from the golden age of romcoms and go like, well, that's not a realistic portrayal of what happens with us either. So it's like, why can't there be this, like, you know, saccharine, maybe overly romantic, overly romanticized gay love story the way there is for everybody?
- [61:16]
Katie Nolan
And because the straight version of asking to see the most realistic portrayal of is he comes. They use her toy to finish her. And then she goes to the bathroom and pees kind of loud with the door open so she doesn't get a UTI. And he watches a clip of something on YouTube or Instagram on his phone while she does that.
- [61:37]
Isabella
Which is true. And I'm not seeing that represented in any media.
- [61:39]
Katie Nolan
Exactly. And that's the most accurate portrayal. Right. And then the kids come in and go, I threw up.
- [61:49]
Isabella
I threw up on the rug underneath the sofa somehow.
- [61:54]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. My argument is I don't think it was the most accurate portrayal of gay sex because they didn't have to shoo a Yorkie off of the bed first. I didn't think it was accurate because it was only two guys. I was like, this is kind of boring. I said, what is it? This is old fashioned. Two, two, only two. Who am I?
- [62:15]
Isabella
I. I was diving into the discourse to try to understand all the ways that the show was being picked apart. And I think one of the things that I felt was a little accurate is that straight women were telling. Were almost being homophobic in what they felt was a woke way.
- [62:34]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [62:34]
Isabella
Because they loved the show so much that they were like telling gay men that they couldn't have an opinion on the show.
- [62:42]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [62:43]
Isabella
Because it wasn't fair for them to dislike their. I will, in a brief defense of straight women, say that I think on the other side of this, because it is a gay hockey romance, There are hockey fans who are dismissive of women I know, shocking of their likes and their interests and why they would be coming to a game. And I could see straight women feeling the need to defend themselves against that dismissal of their fandom, but then turning it to the wrong community and pushing out gay people on a show that is about two gay men having a. Well, I mean, there's another relationship too. So I guess technically four gay men.
- [63:21]
Katie Nolan
But about four gay men who, when they turn to other people to help them with these relationship troubles. Who do they turn to? Women. Whether it be their friend or their mother. I would argue that fandom is a shared space and everyone should try their best to both acknowledge their cultural blind spots, but also watch the show and enjoy each other. I think queer men calling out some of the accidents. Homophobia is just as important as women calling out some of the accidental misogyny that can happen when you dismiss female interests. When you say, oh, it's just a girl show, because that shit is so. That shit is so corny too. It's something that I'm. I don't want it to ever get to a point where like the fighting is the main thing. But I'm glad that people had these little dust ups so they knew they now hopefully can articulate. Oh, okay. This is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Because that is helpful to be like, okay. If this is a shared fan base, we do have to figure out how we talk to each other and how we are both productive and how we make sure that we can enjoy this show for as many seasons as it goes on.
- [64:20]
Isabella
All the butts so that we can just keep getting butts.
- [64:23]
Katie Nolan
That's the thing. Just appreciate them. Booties on that gay hockey booty show. That's what my mom calls it, the gay hockey booty show.
- [64:31]
Isabella
Did she watch it?
- [64:31]
Katie Nolan
No, she hasn't watched it.
- [64:32]
Isabella
Isabella's mom watched it.
- [64:34]
Katie Nolan
What?
- [64:35]
Isabella
I think twice. Maybe like three or four times.
- [64:40]
Katie Nolan
Oh, okay. Isabella, you telling us a lot about your mama.
- [64:44]
Isabella
And she was like, isabella, you have to watch it.
- [64:47]
Katie Nolan
Wow, wow, wow.
- [64:48]
Isabella
And then Isabella, you did watch it. Yeah, I loved it. I only watched it once, though. Not two or three times. I just finished my first time right here before Jay walked in. I was telling you that last night I did the episode five, which is like the emotional. Like a big. There's a big crescendo to it. And then. And this I was watching or no, last night was episode four. Because this morning there's six.
- [65:09]
Katie Nolan
Right.
- [65:10]
Isabella
This morning I did episode five while I was doing my makeup. I was like, I'll just put it on and I'll do. I had to keep taking it off.
- [65:17]
Katie Nolan
I was so emotional with episode five. And we don't want to spoil it too much. Do you think because some of the actors are saying they're getting either their team or Jacob Tierney are getting messages from players, active players, retired players. It is always odd. Jason Collins, Michael Sam, there's always this person was the only gay person in their professional sports league. And then you go.
- [65:41]
Isabella
Well, no, there's no way that could not be.
- [65:45]
Katie Nolan
That's impossible even. I mean, I think that my pitch is like the next heated rivalry, sort of like combination sports and like narrative should be. I would want it to be the end NBA. I would love that. But you know, Dwight Howard keeps beating people up. So we need to, we need to figure.
- [66:06]
Isabella
I, I am like, anytime a conversation feels like it gets to a point where we're forcing anybody to come out, I, as a non member but ally of the community, feel it's my duty to like back up, back off and leave him alone. So like hearing stories about the potential athletes having messaged some of the stars or the, the creators or whatever and said like, thank you, I'm not out. And this means so much to me. I love that and I'm glad to hear that. I also am not now turning around and going like, who was it? It makes step to the front, but.
- [66:44]
Katie Nolan
It just makes me, it makes me laugh as a, as an out queer person in New York City who sees what all the different versions of what a queer gay man can look like. And for everyone who likes hockey, who likes football, who likes baseball, who likes basketball, who likes soccer in the United States to not understand that these athletes sometimes have bodies that are just okay compared to these gay men, these project managers, you know what I mean? These queer men and these athletes, they are on this continuum of what you perceive as masculinity, but you never will really know, right? So I also think it opens up people to being like, oh, well, I probably should be less judgmental of gay people because gay guys can look like anything. And if these are two gay bi hockey players in this narrative narrative, then I've probably rooted and, or watched a team with a queer person on it.
- [67:48]
Isabella
I just can't. I, I try to put myself in people's shoes to understand where things come from. And when it comes to that, what you just said that I've probably watched a gay person play the sport. I can't put my. I don't understand the thing that happens in people's heads where they go like, ew, like what? How. What does that have to do with you at all? What does that have to do with you at all?
- [68:11]
Katie Nolan
I think the fantasy of the athlete for so many of these people is this fantasy of a life that they want to leave. And if they were an athlete, they can't understand because they're straight. Oh, well, why wouldn't you just have sex with a bunch of women and you go, well, you also didn't make the team. You didn't make the team.
- [68:25]
Isabella
Why don't you just go make the team?
- [68:26]
Katie Nolan
You didn't make the team in middle.
- [68:27]
Isabella
School, okay, You've been not making the team.
- [68:30]
Katie Nolan
You've been not making the team. I think there's also this connection between masculinity and sport where they go, oh, being gay can't be masculine for X, y, Z reasons. And it's just so. I think it's such an old school way of thinking. It's kind of an outdated way of thinking. And I hope, I truly hope that he did. Rivalry is sort of, like, this. Like this new opening up of people kind of going, oh, well, from a marketing standpoint, this is helpful. But also just from a human. Human condition standpoint, empathy just kind of being like, okay. Oh. Cause a lot of straight guys are having to watch. Yeah. Cause the girlfriends are going, sit down.
- [69:10]
Isabella
A lot of guys are having to watch it. A lot of straight guys, I would say, are pretending to really are using its success to help them. Yeah, I've noticed.
- [69:20]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. I think. Which.
- [69:22]
Isabella
Hey, if that's how you get them watching it, that's how you get them watching it.
- [69:26]
Katie Nolan
What? Okay, this is. You know, this isn't. This is not altruistic. This is selfish. But if you're a straight man and you go, oh, I really wanna hook up with this girl, ah, let's just like. Let's just like, cook tonight. And the TV show. Why not watch the TV show that all the girls are horny for?
- [69:45]
Isabella
Why not Just, like, honestly, to me, if it's not your sex scene, it's just a sex scene. So just. She's gonna come out of it feeling very. Because the. One of the main takeaways, the word that comes up the most is just this, like, yearning.
- [70:02]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, yearning.
- [70:03]
Isabella
There is this, like, ooh, yeah.
- [70:05]
Katie Nolan
These.
- [70:06]
Isabella
These two masculine guys want the fuck out of each other. They want each other so bad that it's like, palpable. And you feel it and you go, like, this isn't my genre. And I'm still kind of feeling a little excited. So, yeah, why not sit and watch? The straightest thing you can do is watch the gay hockey movie with a girl on a date. And. And. And then just see what happens.
- [70:29]
Katie Nolan
Just see what happened. There's also this. I don't know. There's something really cool going on right now because NHL teams, they are having pride nights, like, around this time, some are having pride nights and the stands are filled with people who watch the show. And I'm like, you know what? I didn't even know hockey was real. Let me go see. Let me go see what's going on with these boys. Let me go see my. I can't. I cannot. I have a comedian friend who went to their first hockey game on a date, and they're like, I'm only here cause of the show.
- [71:06]
Isabella
I'm telling you.
- [71:08]
Katie Nolan
You know what I think is also funny? All the tiktoks that call going to a hockey game the boy aquarium.
- [71:14]
Isabella
It's very funny.
- [71:15]
Katie Nolan
That is funny.
- [71:15]
Isabella
Please don't tap the glass at the boy aquarium. And it is they are contained in their little.
- [71:21]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [71:22]
Isabella
And they've got a stretch. They've got a stretcher. They'll hurt themselves.
- [71:24]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. And in Nashville, they throw a catfish at them.
- [71:26]
Isabella
They have to stretch. I mean, nuts. They're nuts in Nashville.
- [71:29]
Katie Nolan
That's a nutshell. Well, you know why Nashville is nuts. Well, we can say on this podcast that name change that God forsaken name.
- [71:36]
Isabella
I know, I know.
- [71:36]
Katie Nolan
The Predators. The Predators. You might as well call them the Nashville Uncles. The Predators. The team logo is a saber tooth cat, not a white van.
- [71:47]
Isabella
Did you see the snl? I thought the SNL thing on it was very funny.
- [71:50]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, the Predator.
- [71:51]
Isabella
It's also just funny how natural it's become in your mind as a hockey fan where you just go like, yeah, the Preds. Preds in the community. Predators.
- [71:59]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, the Predators. Oh, Katie, be an adult. They're about to. They're about to have kids night at the Preds game.
- [72:06]
Isabella
Crazy.
- [72:07]
Katie Nolan
Is it a giveaway? No, it's a takeaway. They're taking one of them.
- [72:09]
Isabella
I will say I'm a little nervous for how the NHL is going to handle the influx of fans.
- [72:15]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [72:15]
Isabella
I'm nervous because the pride nights that used to be. I believe every team was mostly doing them.
- [72:23]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [72:23]
Isabella
They then got to a real low point where they team stopped. They actually banned the use of pride tape.
- [72:29]
Katie Nolan
Of pride tape.
- [72:30]
Isabella
So, like, even if you just on your own wanted to do a pride tape, you couldn't. Which I thought was like, way overstepping of like, now you're suppressing my freedom of speech. That's crazy.
- [72:39]
Katie Nolan
And like, there's so many. I think there's so many people who, they like hockey, but that for them is when they go, I don't know. I have a really good friend, Jack, who's like an Islanders fan, always has been. Islanders fan, Knicks fan, Mets fan. And that kind of shit really pisses him off because it's telling me. Telling him, as a lifelong New York sports fan. Oh, well, you know, these athletes don't really love their gay fans. He's like, well, I've liked y' all since I was 10, so what the hell?
- [73:08]
Isabella
Yeah, it's like, like me, it's. It is this acknowledgment of, like, there are gay fans in your families already. That's not something that should shock anybody.
- [73:17]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [73:17]
Isabella
And so, like, why is telling them that they're okay here bad? Why can't you just suck it up and do that? And so I get. I got nervous when I saw all of this excitement. I'm like, okay, well, the NHL better be ready to be a lot better on this stuff than they've been in the past. And so far, they've been doing okay.
- [73:37]
Katie Nolan
The fun thing about all of this, like, oh, you know, we gotta be men. Return to being men. Return to being men. I don't know, man. A guy with painted fingernails might be in the super bowl soon. So things change. Representations of masculinity change. Structure change, changes. I don't. I think that younger guys are getting better about it. I think there's some old, really stubborn people, but I think it's getting better. Men in Chicago are painting their nails.
- [74:06]
Isabella
I know. And drinking iced matcha before games and getting their nails done. I mean, I saw a clip of them went. They went, manny Petty.
- [74:14]
Katie Nolan
Nobody even told.
- [74:15]
Isabella
No one's gonna check the Petty dude. You could have gotten away with just the Manny. You took your full shoe off, and then you zoom in on the poor nail tech's face, who's dealing with the Chicago football fan's foot going, like, what.
- [74:29]
Katie Nolan
Are we doing today? The nails.
- [74:34]
Isabella
No, I'm obviously totally with you. Did you see the commissioner of the NHL was asked if he has watched the show.
- [74:41]
Katie Nolan
Did you see this?
- [74:41]
Isabella
Okay, let's play the clip of Gary Bettman when asked if he watched Heated rivalry yet.
- [74:47]
Katie Nolan
We're well aware of heated rivalry In.
- [74:50]
Brady
In terms of embracing it, I think.
- [74:53]
Isabella
It'S a wonderful story.
- [74:55]
Brady
The.
- [74:55]
Katie Nolan
The content, particularly for young people, may be a little spicy.
- [74:59]
Brady
And so. And so you. You have to. You have to balance that out in terms of how you embrace it.
- [75:06]
Katie Nolan
Have you watched it? Are you Hollander or Rosenhaus? No, no.
- [75:10]
Brady
I've. I've. I've watched all six episodes. I binged it in one night. I thought the storyline was very compelling and a lot of fun because, you know, I could see where they were, you know, picking at things that we had done in the past. Whether or not it was being in Sochi or whether the All Star game in Tampa.
- [75:30]
Katie Nolan
It was very well done.
- [75:32]
Isabella
Binged it all in one night. Gary.
- [75:34]
Katie Nolan
All right.
- [75:36]
Isabella
Specifically from the plot, I believe him, at least. Binged it all in one night.
- [75:43]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. I think also sometimes I. Sometimes when I hear commissioners, like, older dudes involved in sports, that they're, like, aware of this kind of stuff, I go, so your daughter or your wife was like, you gotta watch this.
- [75:57]
Isabella
Yes.
- [75:57]
Katie Nolan
There's someone.
- [75:59]
Isabella
Somebody used the word spicy first. I don't think Gary Button goes, want spicy toast?
- [76:03]
Katie Nolan
Someone had to log into the HBO Max.
- [76:07]
Isabella
Cause they still had HBO Go on whatever they were on their iPad. Their first gen iPad, opening up their HBO Go, which I'm making fun of, but that was me. I had two different apps named HBO Max on my phone. When I went to try to watch it today, I was like, which one's the new one and which one's the old one? Why do you keep changing your name?
- [76:26]
Katie Nolan
No, but I think it's really. I mean, it's also addressing, like, it's addressing like internalized homophobia. It's address. It's, it's, it's handling so many other things other than just like hockey and gay. It's like fully fledged a story about romance and two different romances and like, what that means and what it means to be like a person who opens up these avenues for younger queer people and whether or not we're seeing a rollback in those things or progress forward. So. Very good. Very good.
- [76:53]
Isabella
It's huge. It's huge and a huge moment. And honestly, I never. I can't believe I'm even. I never watched TED Lasso. Everybody got, like, really into TED Lasso. I missed the boat. And then I was like, I just don't think I'm ever gonna watch it. And I was worried that that was what you too?
- [77:08]
Katie Nolan
I think I watched like three episodes.
- [77:10]
Isabella
I didn't even, I didn't even.
- [77:12]
Katie Nolan
Well, as a Southerner, as a person who, like, wanted to. I think I was working for Apple tv. Plus at the time, I think I was too. So I just kind of was like, yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah. Everyone had the problem with Jon Stewart was watching it. We were not. I was like, yeah, Tim Cook, I'm watching that silly ass show.
- [77:29]
Isabella
But, you know, I didn't watch it. And I was worried that was gonna happen to me with this where I was like, gonna, like, say I'd watch it someday and then not. And then I did, and now I feel almost like a hack that I really liked it.
- [77:40]
Katie Nolan
No, you're not a hack.
- [77:41]
Isabella
I really, really hate.
- [77:42]
Katie Nolan
Hey, sometimes things are good and the plurality of people like them. Yeah, we have to stop thinking that everyone is so esoteric and everyone is so idiosyncratic that I can't like anything else that other people.
- [77:56]
Isabella
But I'm different, Jay, you're different.
- [77:58]
Katie Nolan
You're so different. Everyone's so different.
- [78:00]
Isabella
I. No, I just really loved it. I really loved it. And I can't recommend it enough to anybody who has. There's. I mean, there are sex scenes and there are a lot of Sex scenes. But there are emotional like relationship love scenes and just like little. Again, these two actors who nobody knew.
- [78:16]
Katie Nolan
About a couple days ago, Connor Story and Hudson Williams both were actors who had been in tiny roles in different movies and TV shows. And I think Connor Story said that he was waiting tables right before when he got the call and they, they filmed it really. I think they filmed it in a super short amount of time. It was for crave. Like I've been through TV developmental hell with Canadian networks for something like that didn't go through. So I understand how you're just like, I guess this will just kind of work. I don't know what the next move is. So to become a superstar, but to become the face of a brand, the face of like all these different fashion brands to be like basically the talk of the town at the end of the year, that's impressive.
- [78:57]
Isabella
Huge. Like for awards season, they're presenting at award shows. They're in these rooms with.
- [79:02]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [79:02]
Isabella
And everybody's like, they want to see them because they're the hot commodity right now. And it really speaks to what they put on screen. They are.
- [79:10]
Katie Nolan
And you can make stars again. That's, that's.
- [79:12]
Isabella
Thank God. Do you think that anybody will learn that lesson from this?
- [79:15]
Katie Nolan
I think some people will. I think some people are going to be like, nah, put Sylvester Stallone in again. But, but I think that's just paramount enough.
- [79:24]
Isabella
Stallone.
- [79:25]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, yeah.
- [79:26]
Isabella
Get em outta here.
- [79:27]
Katie Nolan
We need Tulsa King, you know, we need Amarillo King. We need all the kings. I think that people are gonna be looking for new faces, new talent and new kind of like people to throw their brand behind because if they don't, like, I don't know, HD cameras. Everyone, everyone's looking older. They're gonna, they need some new folks.
- [79:51]
Isabella
Yeah. And he's got one of them. Which one is the one that has the freckles.
- [79:55]
Katie Nolan
Oh, so Hudson has the freckles.
- [79:57]
Isabella
Golly.
- [79:57]
Katie Nolan
He's the cutie pie.
- [79:58]
Isabella
He's such a cutie pie. They look like the fake ones people are putting on their faces on TikTok. His are real. They're like perfectly.
- [80:06]
Katie Nolan
I have. And then I have to be like so. Well, because like Queer Entertainment is small enough that they're like, I have to be, I have to be respectful. But also like they're both, they're both very attractive.
- [80:18]
Isabella
They're both very attractive. Jay's very happy and not looking for anything but just. We have to admit the truth.
- [80:24]
Katie Nolan
Francois is hot too. Yes, everyone's hot.
- [80:27]
Isabella
And that storyline I mean, yeah.
- [80:31]
Katie Nolan
I mean, but there are some. Do you know what my favorite thing about that? There are some of my gay friends, some of my girlfriends are like, you know, I do. I love the thing that did happen on the ice. But also, don't do that to me publicly.
- [80:44]
Isabella
Don't out me. Don't also make me have to be the face of the first public coming out of a pro hockey party.
- [80:52]
Katie Nolan
We could do an Instagram post. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [80:53]
Isabella
No, this is. This is going too. You're course correcting too far the other way. What if instead we just told the people we know? What if we started there instead of you going, come on. It was crazy in the broadcast on the show, where they're like, he's calling a fan out on the ice. And you're like, oh, oh, you're all about to not. It's gonna whiplash a little bit for you, but a beautiful moment.
- [81:14]
Katie Nolan
I was just in Philly. I was just in Philly. And I did see a very funny clip that is related to this, because Philly. Philly fans would be like. They'd be like, did we won? I'll suck his dick, too. I don't care. We won.
- [81:28]
Isabella
He did just win the Stanley Cup. They're like, wait, I don't know if they're gay or just if that guy's just very excited. They won the cup just now. I'll kiss them all in their mouths. Go to the next one. Rip his helmet off. Get in there.
- [81:40]
Katie Nolan
Oh, my goodness.
- [81:42]
Isabella
All right. I'm trying to think of how to pivot this without it sounding like a stereotypical gay of.
- [81:47]
Katie Nolan
No, do it.
- [81:47]
Isabella
Let's talk about fashion.
- [81:49]
Katie Nolan
Let's talk fashion.
- [81:49]
Isabella
We got this. The Winter Olympics coming up.
- [81:51]
Katie Nolan
It's related. The Winter Olympics are coming up, right? Yeah.
- [81:53]
Isabella
And we gotta talk about every year countries roll out what they're gonna be showing up in. And so we've compiled some for us to react to.
- [82:01]
Katie Nolan
All right.
- [82:01]
Isabella
Because I know you must love.
- [82:03]
Katie Nolan
I have been a fan of Ralph Lauren since I have had eyes in the Ralph Lauren collection this year. It is an extremely hard time to be proud of this country. Ooh. But when I see this, just because of this, this is the only thing that gives me hope, Katie. This is the only thing that gives me. Gives me hope. This Fair Isle like, sweater that. The roll neck that they have. This Trent, this toggle coat that they have. It's insane.
- [82:28]
Isabella
Yes. It's nice.
- [82:29]
Katie Nolan
It's gorgeous. There's a fleece with a skier on it that I think we don't have the image of that is immaculate. I went to the Ralph Lauren store on Madison to see it in person, and wow. I literally was like, I have to book another job so I can justify what's about.
- [82:46]
Isabella
It's that expensive?
- [82:47]
Katie Nolan
Well, yes, but also, I have to have one of these things. I don't need it, but, oh, my gosh, I love it. I love this look, Quinn.
- [82:56]
Isabella
Here's my thing, though. I'm getting something on this. I'm getting ketchup on this.
- [83:01]
Katie Nolan
Oh, yeah.
- [83:02]
Isabella
It's very hard to keep immaculately clean like that.
- [83:05]
Katie Nolan
I think you wear this for the shoot and for the opening ceremony, and then you change out of it to do anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what we're seeing, I know there probably are some people. There's a toboggan, and then there's also a fair isle American flag, which right now, an Olympic ring sweater that's red, white, and blue. But the fair isle is kind of tastefully done. And there is a toggle coat that is cream. Would you say cream? This could be eggshell. Sure.
- [83:35]
Isabella
A crew.
- [83:36]
Katie Nolan
A crew. A crew. And then a classic Ralph Lauren belt and some great pleated, kind of off white. It looks like not necessarily a chino, but a pant. And it's very tastefully done. I like it.
- [83:50]
Isabella
What's a chino, Jay?
- [83:51]
Katie Nolan
What makes a chino? I think chino is fabric. I think it's a cotton twill.
- [83:55]
Isabella
Right.
- [83:55]
Katie Nolan
But I think this is quintessential Ralph. I think we just saw a really cool Ralph Lauren polo and purple label men's Runway in Milan.
- [84:06]
Isabella
We were all thinking of.
- [84:07]
Katie Nolan
This was kind of. This predated that. Cause this came out a couple. A couple months ago. It looks gorgeous. This stuff looks amazing.
- [84:13]
Isabella
It's crisp. It's certainly crisp. We look fresh. We look better than.
- [84:16]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [84:17]
Isabella
Than. Than our current record would indicate.
- [84:19]
Katie Nolan
We look good.
- [84:20]
Isabella
We look strong. We look. We do look pretty white.
- [84:23]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, we do look predominantly color of.
- [84:26]
Isabella
The year or whatever it is.
- [84:29]
Katie Nolan
I want to see what the other countries are doing, because sometimes Canada see. Yeah. Every now and then, Canada can out. Canada's. Canada's coming with some drip. And Canada is. They're going hard with the reds and the blacks, which I do appreciate. It's visually striking. Yes. We're seeing some really impressive pairings. Canada and Lululemon.
- [84:51]
Isabella
Oh, that's what that is.
- [84:52]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [84:53]
Isabella
Well, it's a little. I'm a little bit. It's a little reflective for me.
- [84:57]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, yeah.
- [84:58]
Isabella
Whatever's happening with the pants, there's a. Now what we're looking at here is an image of a bunch of, of different looks.
- [85:05]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [85:05]
Isabella
From Canada. And one of them is like, the pants look wet. They're like, they look wet and stuck to you, but they aren't yet.
- [85:16]
Katie Nolan
I think it's supposed to be some sort of high tech synthetic fabric material.
- [85:20]
Isabella
I'm sure that'll end up in the film.
- [85:23]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. They're wearing oil, not degrade.
- [85:25]
Isabella
That's. It's crazy looking. But again, I'm no fashionista, so maybe that is fashion forward.
- [85:31]
Katie Nolan
So I would say the, the USA Ralph Lauren look was a bit more kind, classic Ralph Lauren. This is a bit more cool Canadian streetwear.
- [85:39]
Isabella
Yes.
- [85:39]
Katie Nolan
This looks a bit more cool. Kid, kind of like streetwear enthusiast. But I do like this. I'm not opposed to this. I, I, I go to Canada three or four times a year. I love it. I think the pronunciation in, you know, Montreal is Lulu le Mont Lul. So I'm very happy.
- [85:58]
Isabella
The guy in the middle, in the back. What's that silhouette I'm looking at? Is that a vest over a jacket?
- [86:03]
Katie Nolan
No, I think that's, I think that's a jacket that also doubles as, like, shelter if you get lost in the cold.
- [86:10]
Isabella
Which is helpful. Which is helpful if you're doing ski orienteering.
- [86:13]
Katie Nolan
I think there's something really cool, though. Cause there is sort of like the implied maple leaf in the contrast stitching on that jacket you were talking about.
- [86:21]
Isabella
You're right. That is actually kind of nice. And is the one in the red jacket and red pants? Are those two different reds?
- [86:27]
Katie Nolan
Those are. Yeah, those reds are clashing a bit.
- [86:30]
Isabella
One's a little bit more orange.
- [86:32]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. But it could. That's the point. Sometimes people really sort of go fun colors that, like, really almost look like they clash, but they kind of help with the overall visual aesthetic. But I, I don't hate this. I don't like it as much as I like same. The Fair Isle sweater. Roll neck from Ralph Lauren. But I don't hate this. Some of this I would definitely wear. Yeah.
- [86:51]
Isabella
Okay. Then we've got France.
- [86:53]
Katie Nolan
Wow.
- [86:53]
Isabella
And they're styled by Le Coq sportif. Sportive cock. Sporty cock.
- [86:59]
Katie Nolan
Listen, once again, there are men in Hell's Kitchen who can help you. I, I don't like this.
- [87:06]
Isabella
Okay, talk to me. What are we. Let's first describe what we're looking at. We've got a button fly.
- [87:11]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [87:11]
Isabella
On a white trouser. Is that like a double belt at.
- [87:15]
Katie Nolan
The top of that there seems to be some sort of, like, second closure tab on the button fly of those performance pants. This all looks like it's, you know, high quality performance material. What I'm not in love with is the pastel. I don't love a pastel for the Winter Olympics. I. It's also not your color. Everyone's colors are red, white, and blue. I get it. France. But I don't love the baby blue.
- [87:39]
Isabella
Yeah.
- [87:40]
Katie Nolan
I like the rugby. The kind of long sleeve polo on the right. A T shirt. A T shirt that just says France.
- [87:48]
Isabella
Oh, that is.
- [87:49]
Katie Nolan
It just says a T shirt that just says France. Y' all motherfuckers couldn't. Oh, my store's a bad still for that. A T shirt that just says France. You can buy that at any super dry in New York City if you want. What is the.
- [88:02]
Isabella
And you're right. It's like a light pink and a light blue. It looks like a gender reveal more than it looks like a red and blue.
- [88:09]
Katie Nolan
It's like a very baby color. I'm not in love with this. I don't see any heft. I don't see any weight. I don't see any quality construction.
- [88:18]
Isabella
I don't see any women. What are the women gonna wear?
- [88:19]
Katie Nolan
Show me the girls. Yeah, I don't see any women. France. I am a bit disappointed. And from. With this showing, I think you will not make it to the next round of designers. I think you will be cut.
- [88:30]
Isabella
Wow.
- [88:31]
Katie Nolan
I also.
- [88:32]
Isabella
You're out.
- [88:32]
Katie Nolan
I also. This would also say I don't. I don't get winter from all of these. I get winter from one garment on this thing. I get winter from the long sleeve. The rest of it doesn't feel like Winter Olympics gear.
- [88:45]
Isabella
Yeah, it's a really good point.
- [88:46]
Katie Nolan
It looks springy.
- [88:47]
Isabella
Seeing a lot of skin. Where's your jacket? Jacket on?
- [88:49]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. You turned me and Katie into old ladies. Put a coat on.
- [88:53]
Isabella
Where's your jacket into me at a. On a college campus. Now I'm like, put a pant on.
- [88:57]
Katie Nolan
A full pant.
- [88:59]
Isabella
What are you doing? Okay, this is Sweden. And is it Uniqlo or Uniqlo? It's Uniqlo.
- [89:04]
Katie Nolan
I say. I say Uniqlo. Yeah. I don't say Uniqlo. Sweden. This is, you know, it's Swedish. This is nice. Canada and the USA are still in the top two. This is cute. I am not impressed. I am not impressed that a Nordic country doesn't have flashier Nordic gear.
- [89:24]
Isabella
Yeah, it is sort of giving basic winter gear. We're Seeing scarves in the. In the blue and the yellow, which are great colors. Striking colors. They've also got, like, a dark navy. Seems to be, like the. Complementary to their blue and yellow that they've got. But these are just looking like winter jackets that say Uniqlo on them. And the regular scarves.
- [89:44]
Katie Nolan
The Uniqlo branding is bigger and more visually striking than the Swedish branding on this. On this Olympic apparel. I. It is wild to me that the usa, the country probably with the least amount of money right now, seems to have the most attention. Expensive outfits. Yeah.
- [90:04]
Isabella
Yeah. We do care about.
- [90:05]
Katie Nolan
We're seeing some puffers. We do care about the wrong stuff.
- [90:09]
Isabella
We do sometimes.
- [90:09]
Katie Nolan
We're seeing some puffers. We're seeing some yellow T shirts. Yeah. And we're seeing some pom pom toques. Some pom pom beanies.
- [90:17]
Isabella
Yeah.
- [90:18]
Katie Nolan
And so. Yeah.
- [90:18]
Isabella
And we're. And we're saying, okay, this is fine. We're saying, fine. Sweden.
- [90:22]
Katie Nolan
Hey. Yeah.
- [90:23]
Isabella
Now let's look at Australia.
- [90:25]
Katie Nolan
Well, we do have to be nice to Australia. They do not understand what winter means.
- [90:29]
Isabella
It's so true. It just rains.
- [90:31]
Katie Nolan
It's summer. Yeah.
- [90:33]
Isabella
Oh, yeah.
- [90:33]
Katie Nolan
For them now.
- [90:34]
Isabella
Right.
- [90:35]
Katie Nolan
So I.
- [90:36]
Isabella
That coat might be heavy enough. You know, that could do the.
- [90:41]
Katie Nolan
Anyone who doesn't know what we're looking at, it looks like Katie and I just walked onto a cruise. And they are showing us the itinerary for the cruise with the cruise director. And this white jacket is.
- [90:57]
Isabella
I mean, it is. It is a white. He looks like he works here. He looks like an Olympics rules official. He's wearing a white suit jacket in Australia.
- [91:05]
Katie Nolan
I. I love y'. All. I love. I truly do. This is not good. France is. France is at the bottom. But you guys are now neck and neck with France for this is some of the least impressive Winter Olympic I have ever seen. Wow. But I also. I acknowledge that you are a country of drunks. So maybe you don't know. Maybe you don't really feel temperature.
- [91:35]
Isabella
Maybe you don't get to go. I know you are a country of convicts, and so maybe it's possible.
- [91:40]
Katie Nolan
I don't know. Yeah, this is a poor showing.
- [91:44]
Isabella
It's not great. It's not great.
- [91:46]
Katie Nolan
We were being so nice at the beginning, and this. I. I don't know what the next one is going to be. What is.
- [91:52]
Isabella
What's the next other country? I think that might be the last one. I knew it.
- [91:56]
Katie Nolan
Poor showing, poor showing, Promotion, not a good ending.
- [91:59]
Isabella
Chris, are you here? If you are, I'd like you to Answer for Australia. I would like you to say something because Chris is Australian. Are you happy with it? Well, the green and gold never really.
- [92:08]
Katie Nolan
Looks all that good. I've never really liked any of our. The green and gold looks amazing in the. The Speedos. Don't do that, Chris. Don't you dare do that.
- [92:19]
Isabella
How dare you.
- [92:20]
Katie Nolan
I would argue Ray Gun looked more sporty.
- [92:23]
Isabella
I mean, it is, unfortunately, what those colors make me think. Now immediately I see those Olympic colors and I go, ray Gun coming? Is Ray Gun coming back? Is she around?
- [92:32]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, she is.
- [92:33]
Isabella
Were we too. You think we were too mean to Ray Gun?
- [92:35]
Katie Nolan
No, I think that it was all in good fun. A good lap. I don't think you get to do a bunny kangaroo walk, wallaby hop in the breakdancing competition that's televised internationally and not get made fun of a tiny bit.
- [92:50]
Isabella
You're absolutely right. In a world with, like, barely any monoculture left, you cannot show up. And it was such a nice moment of international community for us to solve the fun of.
- [93:02]
Katie Nolan
We make fun of tons of athletes in this country for less. So of course we were gonna make fun of you.
- [93:06]
Isabella
Absolutely. To see you just T rexing in the background. Round of, like. At what point did the people calling it go?
- [93:13]
Katie Nolan
And also the story of, like, didn't she qualify herself?
- [93:17]
Isabella
I do believe.
- [93:18]
Katie Nolan
I mean, there is.
- [93:19]
Isabella
I do believe there was a little bit of, like, confusion around the reporting on it, but it sure did seem like she just went to some low level, didn't have to do much to get into the position.
- [93:29]
Katie Nolan
And we fully. And Americans love the Summer Olympics. American loves. The Americans love the Olympics in general, because it's when we get to be like, oh, I know that country. But there is. There is something to be like, you better be good. Please be good. Be good at the Olympics.
- [93:46]
Isabella
Yeah. Absolutely brutal. I love the Olympics.
- [93:49]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [93:49]
Isabella
People. Some people don't care about the Winter Olympics. I learned that working on them, that there are people who are like, the Summer Olympics are the Olympics. The Winter Olympics are a newfangled thing that haven't been around as long.
- [94:01]
Katie Nolan
No. What are these people that strict?
- [94:03]
Isabella
They're just like, it doesn't matter.
- [94:05]
Katie Nolan
If you're that strict about the Summer Olympics being the most important Olympics, then go to the Greek tradition of everyone doing it naked.
- [94:12]
Isabella
Yeah, let's really do it.
- [94:14]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, let's really do it.
- [94:15]
Isabella
If you want to do it, let's really do it.
- [94:17]
Katie Nolan
Here's some olive oil.
- [94:18]
Isabella
Luba, it's time to throw a discus.
- [94:21]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [94:21]
Isabella
Yeah.
- [94:22]
Katie Nolan
Throw a Disc lube up, run a marathon and die if you really care.
- [94:26]
Isabella
Or. Or shut up and let us like the winner. The Winter Olympics rule.
- [94:30]
Katie Nolan
Do you think? How much do you understand? I. As a little kid in Mississippi, I didn't know you could snowboard until I saw Shaun White and Johnny Tsunami. Those are the only two people that let me know snowboarding was a thing.
- [94:42]
Isabella
Somehow it had to get to me. And that was the way. I also just feel like every four years you should learn the rules of curling again for the first time.
- [94:50]
Katie Nolan
Yes.
- [94:51]
Isabella
Be refreshed and go. I knew this before. This isn't ringing any bells. Every time I come to it with a fresh, clear brain.
- [94:59]
Katie Nolan
And I think that the Winter Olympics do a really good job of reminding me that sometimes there are really cool sports that you had no idea were really cool. And then you watch them for two weeks and you forget about them again.
- [95:12]
Isabella
Yes. It's like nothing matters to me more than that sport for two weeks. And then I never, ever even think it's so convenient.
- [95:20]
Katie Nolan
It's great.
- [95:20]
Isabella
It like, it minds its business. It goes away. I never have to watch it again till four years later.
- [95:25]
Katie Nolan
It's studying abroad. It's an immersive class. It's truly like winter intercession in college. It's everything.
- [95:31]
Isabella
And they do such a good job on the broadcast, too, of like, letting you know the stories of the people.
- [95:36]
Katie Nolan
That you care about. You don't want to see Kevin Harden. Kenan. Mispronounce people's names. You don't want to see that. I do. My friend works on that show. I love it.
- [95:45]
Isabella
I love. I just love. I mean it really. Last year, I think, is when they started doing the. Like, every celebrity is going to be part of the. Snoop Dogg is part of every single broadcast of the Olympics. And that's fine and great. And I think it brings more people in.
- [96:01]
Katie Nolan
They tried to kill Ky and Jost, I think.
- [96:03]
Isabella
Oh, yeah. They sent him to. Didn't he get something like.
- [96:06]
Katie Nolan
He got. He cut his foot. Ants were eating the crazy thing I. Food poison. Crazy.
- [96:11]
Isabella
It's also just crazy. We go and the surfing portion is going to be over there.
- [96:15]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. Yeah.
- [96:16]
Isabella
In a completely different place. But I guess it makes sense. Did you see that Mariah Carey is going to sing at the opening ceremony?
- [96:23]
Katie Nolan
Yes. I'm a big Mariah Carey fan. I love Mariah Carey. I always say the gayest thing you can say isn't I love a man. The gayest thing you can say is, can you believe she only has. Has six Grammys. That's gay. And that's where I live. I've seen that woman in concert twice, and I love her. You know what I love about her? She makes you wait. And every gay person in there is like, we knew this was gonna happen.
- [96:45]
Isabella
How long of a wait?
- [96:46]
Katie Nolan
You gotta wait a good 20 minutes. The DJ is out there a little bit longer. But then she comes out, she sings her songs. She has fun. She had a fun, like, little mid break performance where she gets her makeup done on. She, like, gets retouched up on stage, and you get to see that. That much of a diva. I say her and Miss Piggy are the left, or like, the two divas that are actually left. She has a fun little bit of stage fight choreography with. With a. A person in drag doing Bianca from the Heartbreaker video. She's the best. Go to Mariah Carey concert. She doesn't have an opener. She just has a dj. So you just party before you get a little drunk.
- [97:21]
Isabella
That's kind of perfect.
- [97:22]
Katie Nolan
It's the best.
- [97:22]
Isabella
Were you at the show where she did the. No, no, no, no, no. Well, you don't want to hear about 9 11.
- [97:27]
Katie Nolan
And the whole crowd went, was not what?
- [97:31]
Isabella
That's one of my. That clip gets a lot of replay in our house. Some. If Dan's bothering me, I'll go, la, la, la, la. You don't want to hear about 9 11. It's just beautiful.
- [97:41]
Katie Nolan
She's really given us glitter and 911 happened at the same time.
- [97:46]
Isabella
She's. She's really given us so much that Mariah, she gives and gives and gives.
- [97:49]
Katie Nolan
Oh, my God. Yeah. Mariah Carey is the reason I love Derek Jeter without. Without Derek Jeter, we do not get Butterfly. Butterfly is the best Mariah Carey album.
- [98:02]
Isabella
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that. I mean, that had to have been. When she did that butterfly top that changed every girl's life. That every girl was like, how do I find that? How do I. And what we learned is what look like that?
- [98:13]
Katie Nolan
And you know what's wild, Katie, is that we have lived long enough to see it come back.
- [98:19]
Isabella
I know.
- [98:20]
Katie Nolan
That's beautiful.
- [98:21]
Isabella
I know. Everything's back in and out.
- [98:23]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [98:24]
Isabella
It's hard to keep up with.
- [98:25]
Katie Nolan
Well, I think you just kind of have to see what they're doing and go, hmm, I won't do that one, but I'll do this one. Okay, so you go. I'll go a little bit baggy. I can't go full JNCO's again.
- [98:35]
Isabella
That's really good advice.
- [98:36]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [98:37]
Isabella
I actually did just go to the JNCO website, like, literally yesterday, and I left the tab open.
- [98:43]
Katie Nolan
All right.
- [98:43]
Isabella
I didn't put it in the cart. I left the tab open. It was a corduroy pair that I went, this could be it. Yeah, but probably not. Your face says, no, you could do.
- [98:52]
Katie Nolan
You could pull it off.
- [98:54]
Brady
You're cool.
- [98:54]
Katie Nolan
You could pull it. You're cool. You could pull it off. Other people can't.
- [98:58]
Isabella
I think you're overestimating, and I think you're being nice. We can either talk about the Brooklyn Beckham drama, or I can play you a voicemail that we got from somebody that has a question and we can answer it.
- [99:11]
Katie Nolan
Brooklyn Beckham says that his parents are always trying to steal the spotlight. And the one thing I can say to that effect is I agree with him, because David Beckham has a Brooklyn tramp stamp. Your dad.
- [99:25]
Isabella
It's on his back.
- [99:26]
Katie Nolan
It's on his lower back.
- [99:27]
Isabella
No, it isn't. He does. Yeah. Did I. I must have known this and forgotten it.
- [99:32]
Katie Nolan
Listen, I feel horrible that I've masturbated to the thought of him, too, but he's got a tram stamp that says Brooklyn. Uh, yeah.
- [99:40]
Isabella
That is tough.
- [99:41]
Katie Nolan
That's tough. So we can play the clip.
- [99:44]
Isabella
Good idea. Because I was going to try to parse what he meant when he said dancing on me. His mom was dancing on me in front of everyone. I didn't, but let's go to. Let's play the. Can we play the clip? Let's play the. The voicemail we got. Hi, Katie and the Casualties. I am Arvind from Philadelphia. I have wanted to call for ages back when Katie was doing Sports Question Mark. But I've always been nervous because not too many people who call into these.
- [100:17]
Katie Nolan
Shows have accents like mine. Anyway, my question for you, Katie and the Casualties, I guess, is. Well, especially in light of a lot of the stuff that's been happening as an immigrant.
- [100:33]
Isabella
I am originally from India, but I've lived half my life in India and half in the U.S. i've been feeling, you know, low. So question is, if you wanted to show an immigrant the awesomeness of American sport, what event would you take this.
- [100:59]
Katie Nolan
Immigrant to where they would feel the most welcome?
- [101:04]
Isabella
Thanks. Love you, Mean it. All right, so Arvin from Philadelphia wants to know where you would bring an immigrant to make them feel welcome at a sporting event.
- [101:14]
Katie Nolan
Okay, I have. I'm of two answers. The first answer, Pretty easy. If you really want to see what America is all about and you want to go to a Sporting event. And you want to bring an immigrant that's going to feel welcome, you have to take them on the 4th, 4th of July to the Nathan's Hot Dog Coney island hot dog eating contest. Now, here's why that is America. It is gluttony to the point of self harm. And that's what you have to learn about this place. There have been multiple immigrants and multiple naturalized citizens who have done very well in it for a while. Kobayashi. People knew Kobayashi because of this contest. Joy Chestnut came along and tried to. And he took it back. Did a very good job. But I feel like that is one of the things we go, hey, hey, look at this.
- [102:00]
Isabella
Look at it.
- [102:00]
Katie Nolan
America ain't pretty, but that's what it is.
- [102:02]
Isabella
This is us.
- [102:03]
Katie Nolan
That's what we do here.
- [102:04]
Isabella
This is what we do. And then these people who have gathered to cheer for the dipping of the bread into the water. That's us.
- [102:10]
Katie Nolan
Eat hot dogs until we get sick in the summertime.
- [102:14]
Isabella
That's right. In the heat. At first, I thought you were going to say the UFC fight on the white.
- [102:20]
Katie Nolan
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
- [102:21]
Isabella
If you said fourth of July, I went, oh, no.
- [102:23]
Katie Nolan
At the risk of being too bad political right now, if you're an immigrant, stay far away from that place.
- [102:27]
Isabella
I wouldn't go there.
- [102:28]
Katie Nolan
They will do that. A net.
- [102:30]
Isabella
My first thought was an NWSL game.
- [102:34]
Katie Nolan
Ooh.
- [102:35]
Isabella
Because soccer is famously a great connector and uniter. It's the most popular sport in the world everywhere. Everyone plays it. You can familiarize yourself enough with the rules. I know that the offsides is a little confusing, but you get it. Then ball goes in the net and you're trying to get it there. And then women sports fans have always been, in my experience, and I'm sure there are bad eggs, but are on the. They air on the side of welcoming you.
- [103:03]
Katie Nolan
Welcoming you.
- [103:03]
Isabella
More welcome.
- [103:04]
Katie Nolan
You know, in that same regard, I would say go to New York Liberty game and make sure you get to see whatever antics Ellie wants to pull that game. Go to that game. Oh. As an immigrant, you'll feel welcome. Welcome to New York. That's a welcome to New York moment. When you get to see see Ellie dance to whatever song she's gonna dance to that week.
- [103:22]
Isabella
Yeah, yeah. With her Birkin.
- [103:24]
Katie Nolan
With her Birkin and her ponytail whipping it.
- [103:29]
Isabella
Ellie has to be one of our best mascots. I mean, right up the charts immediately. As soon as she was introduced and.
- [103:34]
Katie Nolan
Like, understood social media in a way that I was like.
- [103:37]
Isabella
I mean, she also does things that I'M like, mascots wouldn't do. Like, even a mascot would know not to do that, but Ellie does and is like. And that's Ellie, baby. What do you want from me?
- [103:49]
Katie Nolan
And Ellie would have, like, designer fashion. Ellie would have, like. She'd be on top of all the TikTok trends. So. Yeah, I would say. Yeah. Hot dog eating contest.
- [103:59]
Isabella
You would say nwsl.
- [104:01]
Katie Nolan
Nwsl.
- [104:01]
Isabella
Soccer game.
- [104:02]
Katie Nolan
Soccer game. And then I would also say New York Liberty game.
- [104:05]
Isabella
Yeah.
- [104:05]
Katie Nolan
At Barclays. Yeah. Go.
- [104:07]
Isabella
Yeah, I've been. Have you been to a Liberty game at Barclays? It's easy to get to the subway. Makes it very easy. And then it's also so just like a. It's hard to describe, but there's just. It's friendlier. The air feels friendlier. Again, I'm not saying you're gonna have a perfect time. The air feels friendlier, and we just.
- [104:27]
Katie Nolan
Have to stress a New York Liberty game at Barclays. If you go to a Nets game as an immigrant, you will be sad.
- [104:35]
Isabella
Yeah. Please don't. Please. Definitely double check and make sure the game you're going to.
- [104:40]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [104:40]
Isabella
It's at the same place, but two very different vibes and events.
- [104:44]
Katie Nolan
I mean, there's no way the Nets are playing that far into the summer. No.
- [104:49]
Isabella
Yeah.
- [104:50]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [104:50]
Isabella
They're probably. Oh, my God. There it is.
- [104:52]
Katie Nolan
There it is.
- [104:52]
Isabella
The Brooklyn Beckham tramp stamp.
- [104:54]
Katie Nolan
Can we. Yeah. And for the visual, for the. For the audio listeners, it's a. It's a Brooklyn. It's the word Brooklyn on his low, low, low back. You know, my gay friends would kind of call that the target zone. Brooklyn. Wow.
- [105:16]
Isabella
And he has it arched almost the way a city would be written across a jersey. On the front, it's like all caps in, like, the old English font, and it's.
- [105:28]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, that's crazy.
- [105:30]
Isabella
A little crooked.
- [105:32]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. It's just. I mean, I.
- [105:35]
Isabella
Why is it there? I really need clarity on that. Why is it there? Why did he put it there?
- [105:41]
Katie Nolan
I truly do not understand the logic.
- [105:45]
Isabella
Who did. He. Was that suggested to him by the artist? Like, I could put it here. A lot of space here, boss. Or do you think he came in and said, put that on right above my ass. Put that there. My son's name. I would like to. To be there. I don't know enough about Brooklyn Beckham and this woman that he married, but I do intend on diving in for my own personal experience.
- [106:08]
Katie Nolan
To me, this is enough grounds to be like, I don't have the best relationship with my dad. Yeah. This is Enough.
- [106:16]
Isabella
I'm trying to think of how I would feel if my father had my name tattooed on the small of his back.
- [106:22]
Katie Nolan
What?
- [106:23]
Isabella
I would certainly have questions.
- [106:25]
Katie Nolan
Right.
- [106:26]
Isabella
And. And. But my dad didn't look like that. I can tell you right now.
- [106:30]
Katie Nolan
No offense to Mike Nolan, but it's not that if he looked. That David Beckham looks so great. He can pull this off. You cannot pull this off. Who can? There's no way that you want your name above your dad's crack.
- [106:47]
Isabella
Is it better or worse than who is it that has their two kids names on their face?
- [106:56]
Katie Nolan
I want so many more face tattoos with my name than a single tramp stamp from a person who I have no romantic entanglement. Not only. No romantic entanglement with. I. I am your son.
- [107:09]
Isabella
Yeah. We're not. We're like, ultimately not supposed to do that in any way.
- [107:13]
Katie Nolan
What is going on?
- [107:15]
Isabella
It would certainly give you a complex. Right. And it makes sense. You've got. I mean, your parents are two famous super hots.
- [107:26]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. Super hots. And the argument is that, like, they made the wedding about them, which I.
- [107:33]
Isabella
Wouldn'T be surprised by.
- [107:35]
Katie Nolan
And once again, he made his name about his ass.
- [107:40]
Isabella
Do you know who Nicola Peltz is? I don't.
- [107:42]
Katie Nolan
I do not know who Nicola Peltz is. That's the wife.
- [107:45]
Isabella
Yeah.
- [107:45]
Katie Nolan
That's the wife that people don't like.
- [107:47]
Isabella
Even before they got married. She's got her own lore of why she might stink. So that's what I've got to follow up on before I can say it with my chest. I don't know. It sounds like this might be an everyone sucks here type of situation.
- [107:58]
Katie Nolan
I appreciate a commitment to everyone being trashy. Yeah, that does make it fun.
- [108:02]
Isabella
I want to leave room for everyone.
- [108:02]
Katie Nolan
That makes it more fun.
- [108:03]
Isabella
Right, Right.
- [108:05]
Katie Nolan
But God, yeah.
- [108:07]
Isabella
Pretty wild also pretty wild wasn't like Vogue at that wedding or somebody was and covered it. And you're like, if something like this.
- [108:12]
Katie Nolan
Happened, it says Brooklyn. And, you know, all I could think is, like, if he ever gets pegged his posh. You're now entering Brooklyn.
- [108:24]
Isabella
Oh, my God.
- [108:26]
Katie Nolan
But it's not Brooklyn. It's David. It's David Beckham. It's not even his name.
- [108:33]
Isabella
Better if he has his own name.
- [108:35]
Katie Nolan
Yes.
- [108:36]
Isabella
As like a. Welcome to David.
- [108:37]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [108:38]
Isabella
Enter here.
- [108:38]
Brady
Yes.
- [108:40]
Katie Nolan
I don't want.
- [108:40]
Isabella
Population one, it's David.
- [108:43]
Katie Nolan
I don't get it. I really don't. You don't get it?
- [108:46]
Isabella
I don't get it either.
- [108:47]
Katie Nolan
You don't have to justify. I'm not a person that says you have to justify all your tattoos. Some tattoos can just be. Oh, it's kind of crazy.
- [108:53]
Isabella
I was feeling a little wild that day. But your son's name on the small.
- [108:56]
Katie Nolan
Of your back does need a son as a tramp.
- [108:58]
Isabella
Stan, I need a. I need a thesis. Double spaced on the. I just need you to show you've thought this through.
- [109:06]
Katie Nolan
I. And I guarantee you David Beckham doesn't have a good answer.
- [109:12]
Isabella
If I ever meet him, I promise I'll ask.
- [109:14]
Katie Nolan
No, you don't have to do that. You can. No, no, no, no, no, no.
- [109:17]
Isabella
You think it would end poorly for me.
- [109:19]
Katie Nolan
I just don't think that needs to be your first question, Katie.
- [109:22]
Isabella
It wouldn't, but it would be my second. And that would just be the way that it goes. And if that damages the relationship, Jay, it was worth it. It'll strengthen this one.
- [109:30]
Katie Nolan
Oh, my God.
- [109:31]
Isabella
And that's all I need.
- [109:32]
Katie Nolan
And when I come back, I'll ask you how it went.
- [109:34]
Isabella
And that's all I need. Jay Jurdan, thank you so much for being here. Tell everybody again where they can find your special and where they can get tickets to see you.
- [109:40]
Katie Nolan
You can watch the special on Hulu, on Amazon, on Apple tv, on Tubi. You can find tickets to all the shows on Jjerden, Comey, K O M IO or just type in Jjerden in the search bar and it will lead you to me. I'm on Instagram. Sadly, Katie, I am still on Twitter.
- [109:58]
Isabella
I technically am too.
- [110:00]
Katie Nolan
I'm still there. I'm trying to blue sky every now and then. I instantly regret it, but I'm still there. But also Instagram, Twitter threads. I'm on thread all over the place. You do have to your own threads. You don't know this, but if you have Instagram, you already have threads. Who's it's kind of threads is like shingles.
- [110:19]
Isabella
We all have. It's just asleep.
- [110:21]
Katie Nolan
It's just dormant.
- [110:22]
Isabella
It's just a matter of when it.
- [110:23]
Katie Nolan
Wakes up with it.
- [110:24]
Isabella
I keep clicking in the Instagram on something to see more and it's like you got to join threads.
- [110:29]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, but you got it.
- [110:30]
Isabella
I've been standing my ground. I guess I'll just give in.
- [110:32]
Katie Nolan
But you can find me all those places and you can see me. I'm in New Orleans January 30th. I'm in January 30th and 31st. I'm in Austin February 6th and 7th. And then I'm also going to be in Grand Rapids. I'm going to be in Boise. I'm going to be in la. You can catch me on tour with a new hour. A lot of people don't give you a new hour after they gave you a special.
- [110:51]
Isabella
Right after a special. A new hour on the part of.
- [110:54]
Katie Nolan
I'm giving you a new hour. No repeats from the special.
- [110:58]
Isabella
Unreal. An incredible work ethic.
- [111:00]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, that's it.
- [111:01]
Isabella
Go see Jay. He's the greatest. We love him here. Thank you for coming back.
- [111:04]
Katie Nolan
Thank you for having me. This is wonderful.
- [111:09]
Isabella
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- [114:58]
Katie Nolan
All right, quick.
- [114:59]
Isabella
Let's go. Pates next. What, you don't want to say? You don't want to give a.
- [115:02]
Katie Nolan
Why?
- [115:04]
Isabella
No, I'm just on the Patriots chain right Now, So, okay, let me not bite the hand that's currently feeding me. That game is Sunday, January 25th, at 3pm Eastern on CBS. And then the second game, Isabella Rams at Seahawks. That's going to be that same Sunday, 6:30pm Eastern on Fox. What do you think this is your fantasy defense that I know that you rode even though I wrongly told you not to. You trusted your gut. You believed in them and they did wonderfully for you this year in your first fantasy football championship season. Well, defense is an episode, everything. So I'm going to go for Rams. Wow. That's what they always say. Defense isn't everything. Yeah. Sorry. Texans. I don't know.
- [115:53]
Katie Nolan
Brutal.
- [115:54]
Isabella
Brutal. It is also funny, Isabella, because the thing everybody always says this time of year is defense wins championships. It's the most trite thing. It's a phrase that you'll always hear someone go, you know what they say? Defense wins championships. And so I love that Isabella's going, you know what? Defense ain't all of it.
- [116:14]
Brady
You're.
- [116:14]
Isabella
At some point you're going to have to score some points. I don't know. And the Rams sure do. And that is your fantasy wide receiver and running back. Yep. So you are.
- [116:24]
Brady
And backup kicker and.
- [116:25]
Isabella
And backup. Thank you, Brady. Oh, yeah, we can't forget that. Thank you, Brady.
- [116:28]
Brady
Let not your backup kicker. You have their backup kicker, the guy who only does the kickoffs.
- [116:34]
Isabella
So funny. Why? I don't know how. I just needed one. She won. It's part of a process. She won the league, so it's right.
- [116:45]
Brady
It was the right move to have Josh Cardi on the logic.
- [116:47]
Isabella
Why? When did you even run into this guy? How did he cross her? He was certainly not on any of the printouts. I think that my Brandon Aubrey was on like an off week or something and I needed a kicker. Well, you know what? It worked, didn't it? So again, let me shut my mouth. She's picking the Pats and she's picking the Rams. Both teams on the road. We will see what happens. I'm, like, nervous, but I'm also like, we were not supposed to be here. So the main reason I'm nervous is because I think losing to Jarrett Stum under center would be embarrassing. I do feel like I would feel a little embarrassed if we went all the way, way to Denver, which, you know, the altitude, and then lost to a guy who has started six games in his career in the NFL. I think so maybe he's played six. I don't. He's. It's Not a lot. And a bunch of them were with us, allegedly. And I watched them all.
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Brady
NFL Radio. NFL Radio's Ben Denucci had to call in to the guys and say he couldn't work next week because the Broncos signed him to be their back up, so.
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Isabella
Really?
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Brady
Yeah.
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Isabella
Denouch.
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Brady
Denouch is be backing up the stid.
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Katie Nolan
Wow.
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Isabella
I mean, and listen, anything can happen, Denver. So don't, you know, anything can happen. But I really hope. And then I've got to start thinking about something that hadn't even crossed my mind when Sirius came to me and said, we're going to. You're going to go to the super bowl with us this year. Right? We're going to go for the radio and you can do the podcast out there. And I was like, yeah, that'd be great. Let's get back in the mix, Katie back on the horse again. We're back out there. We're in there. And now I'm going with my. Maybe with my team. I didn't want this. I don't want to go there with this. I wanted to talk about two teams. I didn't care about it all. Now I'm gonna. Now this is now. I'm stressed. Still leaving before the game, though. Flying out of there on Friday. So let's not even talk about. That's not gonna happen. Okay. That is it for the podcast. Right? I'm not missing anything.
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Katie Nolan
It's everything.
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Brady
It's already been really long.
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Isabella
I know. I'm really sorry.
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Brady
I'm sorry it's on Jay for being funny.
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Isabella
Jay's just so good and he knows a lot and so it's worth talking to him about all of it. But that's it for the show. It is ending now. I'm really sorry for the three people who are sad and to everybody else who this is your third time trying to listen to it, to get through it. Thanks for making it all the way to the end. We love you. We mean it. Have a good weekend. Go Pates. And we will see you back here on Tuesday for another episode of Casuals. Bye. Hey, everybody, it's Babs. I am so excited to tell you about Birch Lane, a brand that shares my passion for classic style and joyful living. Their classic furniture and decor helps you celebrate it all. From big holiday gatherings to everyday moments at home, each piece is carefully crafted and delivered fast and free so you can celebrate what matters most. Shop my hand handpicked Birch Lane collection and more classic styles@birchlane.com.
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Katie Nolan
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