NASCAR, Catfish & Spaghetti, and McDonald's Sauce Rankings | with Bubba Wallace

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Podcast Summary: NASCAR, Catfish & Spaghetti, and McDonald's Sauce Rankings | with Bubba Wallace

Casuals with Katie Nolan | SiriusXM | August 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Casuals with Katie Nolan is a sports and culture mash-up made for listeners across the spectrum of fandom, from the “sports curious” to the “sports obsessed.” Host Katie Nolan is joined by co-hosts Isabella, Brady, Chris, and special guest NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace. The episode blends light banter on current sports stories, witty listener mail, NCAA and NFL analysis, fast food debates, and a laid-back, in-depth interview with Bubba about his life in racing, fatherhood, and McDonald’s sauce hierarchy. The conversation maintains the signature irreverent, inclusive, and playful tone that is the show’s hallmark.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Mailbag & Listener Engagement

• “Engineman from Benjamin”: Kicks off banter about MLB player Josh Naylor’s new nickname ("Thicky Henderson") and general baseball trivia ([03:29]).
• Nickname Talks: Katie and Isabella share their experiences with nicknames and identities, including Katie’s failed attempt to rebrand as “Kat” ([05:08]).
• Foul or Flop Segment Naming: Carrie from Chicago suggests renaming a podcast segment “Foul or Flop,” sparking discussion about originality in sports media ([07:09]).
• Beloved Ad Jingles: Christine from Maryland writes to defend the podcast’s Gordon Fisherman ad jingle, displaying the close rapport between show and audience ([09:56]).

Recent Sports Happenings & Analysis

Little League World Series Drama ([15:22]–[20:49])

• The crew breaks down a wild elimination game featuring Max Sansouci, comebacks, emotional moments, and youth sportsmanship.
• Quote: “The extra inning Little League World Series comebacks are so much… they hit harder because you feel bad for the kid on the mound.” — Chris ([18:38])
• Conversation explores the structure and emotional highs and lows of the tournament, highlighting the best of youth sports.

NFL & WNBA Updates ([21:01]–[33:43])

• Colts QB Controversy: Daniel Jones replaces Anthony Richardson as starting QB over developmental concerns; hosts bemoan the “boring” decision ([21:52]).
• Jerry Jones & GM Power: Katie riffs on Jerry Jones’ self-mythologizing style and role as Cowboys’ owner/GM, referencing her preview on Dallas radio ([24:41]).
• Athlete Fines in Podcasting: The show discusses Sophie Cunningham of the WNBA being fined for her podcast comments—a critique of league censorship and the future of athlete media ([29:55]).

Hot Takes & Fast Food Fandom

Defunct McDonald’s Menu Items & Sauce Rankings ([55:27])

• Katie and Bubba go down memory lane, rating discontinued McDonald’s items and passionately debating sauce preferences.
  • Bubba is a “barbecue only” loyalist.
  • Katie declares: “Nobody does a sweet and sour sauce like McDonald’s. It should be their pride and joy.” ([57:11])
  • Isabella admits to loving honey mustard, to the hosts’ mock dismay ([57:45]).

Catfish & Spaghetti: A Culinary Deep Dive

• Discussion on the viral story of Megan Thee Stallion cooking catfish and spaghetti for Klay Thompson—debunking whether it’s a Black, southern tradition or just a rare culinary mashup.
  • “Apparently, this is a...Southern black, like, staple.” — Katie ([63:35])
  • “Catfish okay for Monday’s dinner, and then spaghetti for Tuesday’s dinner... who puts catfish and spaghetti together?” — Bubba ([63:12])

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Interview Highlights: Bubba Wallace (starts [39:48])

NASCAR Playoff Primer ([40:00])

• Bubba breaks down the structure of the NASCAR playoffs in simple terms (“16 drivers, three rounds, cut-offs”), emphasizing the win-and-in format and current points drama.
• Bubba is currently locked in, feeling minimal pressure after clinching his playoff spot with a Brickyard 400 victory.

Racing Danger & Pit Crew Pressure

• Recalls losing a wheel leaving the pit (“I got out of the car and I looked at my crew and I just laughed.” — Bubba, [45:52]).
• “We’re doing stops in eight seconds now.” — On pit crews and NASCAR’s insane precision ([46:18]).

Speed, Crashes & The Fear Factor

• Describes the terrifying experience of catastrophic brake failure at Pocono: “That was actually the most scared I’ve ever been in the car...I thought I was gonna die, though... and at the last second, the car repositioned itself, and I was like, ‘oh, thank God, this is just gonna hurt now.’ Boom, hit the wall.” ([50:02])

Partying After Wins

• NASCAR “winner’s house” tradition: “We fly home after every race...He [Ryan Blaney] came over to the house. We partied after Indy. Yeah, it was a good time.” ([52:41])
• Most post-race parties are pizza or wings, but sometimes it’s McDonald’s to represent his sponsor.

Athlete? Driver? The Debate ([53:43])

• Katie and Bubba discuss whether race car drivers are “athletes.”
  • “In a test setting, in our car, no one can run a lap faster than me.” — Bubba ([54:49])
  • “So shut your stupid mouth is what he’s saying. You’re an athlete.” — Katie ([54:56])

Culture & Pop Questions

On Michael Jordan as Boss ([70:53])

• “Super cool, super laid back. Really fun to be around.... He loves racing; has a really strong passion for NASCAR.” — Bubba ([70:59])
• On competition: MJ’s advice—“If you know you’re gonna go into something and lose, don’t participate.” ([71:38])

Fashion Faux-Pas: Jeans at the Gym ([65:36])

• The crew watches RFK Jr. and staff do a workout in jeans and a belt.
• “Work out in jeans? That's freak—I'm sorry, that's crazy.” — Katie ([67:20])
• Bubba diplomatically says, “We shouldn’t judge. They’re getting their workout in.” ([67:02])

Zodiac Chit-Chat ([69:07])

• Bubba reveals he’s a Libra. Katie describes Libras as charming, diplomatic, and fair-minded (“I think you’re charming. I think you’re diplomatic for sure.”—Katie, [69:38]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Let’s fund them [the ads] up a little bit.” – Katie, on making podcast advertisements more fun ([11:04])
• “The extra-inning Little League World Series comebacks are so much… they hit harder because you feel bad for the kid on the mound.” – Chris ([18:38])
• “Nobody does a sweet and sour sauce like McDonald’s. Like McDonald’s. It should be their pride and joy.” – Katie ([57:11])
• “If you know you’re gonna go into something and lose, don’t participate.” – Michael Jordan advice via Bubba ([71:38])
• “Work out in jeans? That's freak—I'm sorry, that's crazy.” – Katie ([67:20])
• “So shut your stupid mouth is what he’s saying. You’re an athlete.” – Katie, summarizing Bubba’s athlete credentials ([54:56])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:29] Listener mail & “Thicky Henderson”/MLB nicknames
• [07:09] Mailbag – “Foul or Flop” segment pitch
• [15:22] Little League World Series complete game breakdown
• [21:52] Daniel Jones named Colts starter, NFL analysis
• [29:55] WNBA, Sophie Cunningham fined for podcasting
• [39:48] Bubba Wallace interview begins
• [40:00] NASCAR playoff structure explained
• [44:09] Race danger stories (losing a wheel, brake failure)
• [52:41] NASCAR post-win house parties
• [55:27] McDonald’s sauce rankings & defunct items banter
• [62:43] Catfish & spaghetti relationship debate
• [65:36] Fashion question: "Working out in jeans" video
• [69:07] Zodiac Sign banter

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a lively, breezy blend of sports, food, and pop culture—the perfect primer for fans who want to keep up without taking things too seriously. Bubba Wallace proves as charismatic off the track as on, while Katie and her team mix insightful analysis, humor, fan engagement, and irreverence. If you’re looking for complex stats and gravitas, look elsewhere; if you want to be in on the conversation at the sports bar, pull up a chair at Casuals with Katie Nolan.

For mailbag, sports banter, culture, and interviews, this one mixes it all and never loses the fun.

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Transcript

[A]

You know, casuals is for all kinds of sports fans. We talk about soccer. We talk about football. Parentheses, American. We talk about rugby. Sometimes the podcast has a little something for everyone from sports obsessed to the sports curious. You know what else brings everyone to the table? I know you do. It's a handcrafted summer beverage from Starbucks. Have you tried the Strato Frappuccino blended beverage yet? It's an instant all star. You thought nothing could top the classic Starbucks Frappuccino. Who doesn't love a frozen coffee? But the breakout rookie this summer season is the Starbucks Strato Frappuccino blended beverage. It's a smooth Frappuccino topped with creamy cold foam. And it's sure to become a home run with your entire friend group. And how fun is that? Just sitting in real life with your friends under one of those green Starbucks umbrellas, all with your Strato Frappuccino blended beverages, talking about, I don't know what you think's gonna happen in the upcoming NFL season. IRL hangs brought to you by Starbucks. Your Strato Frappuccino in is ready at Starbucks. Summer break should be fun, but it can also mean setbacks for kids from losing reading skills to facing mental health struggles. That's why Macy's is partnering with Reading is Fundamental and the national alliance on Mental Illness in their work to keep kids reading over the summer and to help young adults find the mental health resources they need now, through September 14, Macy's shoppers can donate to these incredible organizations at checkout, in store or online. Visit macy's.compurpose to to learn more. Hey, Isabella, did you see that Victor Robles got suspended for the bat? Yeah, they gave him 10 game suspension.

[B]

Okay, that's reasonable.

[A]

Yeah, that's. Cause I knew.

[B]

I approve.

[A]

I know you. You liked it.

[B]

Actually, that's not what I said.

[A]

It kind of is.

[B]

I said. I said it was a foul. But I forgive him afterwards.

[A]

Very quickly. Quickly after you forgive?

[B]

After you read the apology, I was like, okay, you know, and like I saw it and you know, the bat didn't hit.

[A]

You're right. So, like, grow up and get over it. No.

[B]

Whatever happened to my nuance?

[A]

Hi there. Welcome to Casuals, the sports podcast that gets you caught up on everything going on in sports, but doesn't go too deep on anything and doesn't leave you out. We're taking you with us. We're here for fun and entertainment. I'm Katie Nolan. I'm your host, joined today by a great guest. We've got Bubba walls coming in in just a little bit. But first we've got a little, I guess, mini pod with the casualties who are also here. Isabella is here. Hi. Hi. You knew that cuz she, you know, cold open. Brady. Hi.

[C]

Hello.

[A]

And Chris. Hi.

[D]

Hi.

[A]

This is me realizing I had come up with an idea of doing intros for you guys and then I forgot to write them this episode. So I'm going just say their names and then they'll say hello. Then we'll move on with the podcast. Like where I tell you how to reach us. You can do that if you want. Casualswithkatienolan Gmail.com Voicemail is 646-801-0043 on IG and tick tock, we are at Casuals, the podcast, and we've been hearing from you guys a lot. So the yap is postponed today. The app has been rescheduled for next time we do an episode. Today's yap is going to be a little bit of a mailbag. We got lots of voicemails and emails. Let's just jump into one. Chris, what was the email about? Cal Raleigh.

[E]

You said we got an edge. An engineman with an email from Benjamin. I call it a Benjamin.

[D]

That's what we're saying.

[A]

It's an engineman message, an electronic Benjamin message.

[E]

And Benjamin said love. The show was introduced to you through Stavi's podcast, Shout Out. I heard you're discussing Big Dumper signing autographs of the Little League World Series. And I wanted to point out recent Mariner acquisition Josh Naylor, who's generously listed at 511, 250 pounds was 11 from 11 in stolen bases in his first 15 games with the Mariners. That's an insane stat. But what's even better is the nickname the Mariners fans gave Josh Fickey Henderson. I can't stop laughing at it.

[A]

That's great. That's so good. It's so good. Isabella, do you know what that's a play on words about by any chance?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. It's Ricky Henderson.

[B]

Okay. That's what I heard.

[A]

Um, he has got a record, Brady. Does he? Yeah.

[C]

He's the greatest base stealer of all time. I think he's got more walks than anybody ever. May have scored more runs, but yeah.

[A]

I think the stolen bases is the. Is the key. Yeah. Ricky Henderson, famous for stealing bait. Thicky Henderson.

[B]

Yeah. Obviously someone needs to give him a toilet seat to sign, right?

[A]

That's right. Okay. So love that. Love that Benjamin. And I didn't I wouldn't have guessed that. We gained listeners from Stavi's podcast. And I love that. Welcome.

[B]

I love that, too. My friend, one of my best friends, was like, oh. Because her boyfriend listens to Stavi's podcast. And she was like, I saw Katie was on st. And I was like, yeah.

[A]

What's her name?

[B]

Catherine.

[A]

Shout out Catherine. Oh, she goes by Catherine.

[B]

She actually goes by Cat, though.

[A]

Oh, that's. Damn. She's the me I wanted to be. I tried to go by Cat for a while after the movie. You know, you could always change it, right? It doesn't. I tried. It's like giving yourself a nickname. I was like, I'm Kat now. And everybody's like, I call you that. You're barely Katie. You're pretty much Kathy. But we. We call you Katie out of respect. But Kath is what my soul resonates with. I'm a Cath, deep down.

[B]

Is your full name Katherine?

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[B]

You want that? You want me to call you Katherine?

[A]

Mm. Mm. The only time I ever went by Catherine. I mean, government stuff. I'll write down Catherine. But when I auditioned for the ballet program, when I was thinking about going to Hartford, they, like, have an audition. Other schools, dance programs, are like, do you dance great? You're in. But Hartford's is good. So I had to audition, and I went by Catherine at the audition because I don't give ballet energy. I need all the help I can get to go, no, I belong here. And so I said, I'm Katherine. And then I don't think I got it. I don't think I got in. I don't think I.

[E]

You never use it again.

[A]

And then I said this.

[B]

Well, you know, look where you are now.

[C]

Yeah, I imagine that's the voice of everyone who's ever judged a ballet competition. Like, I pictured as, like, Meryl Streep sitting there. Catherine. Yeah, like, it has to be a.

[A]

Very dramatic Genevieve chrysanthemum. They're all just so fancy. And not to bring it back to big dumper.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Not that I have that big of a dumper, but I guess this speaks more to ballet as a. My dumper too big for ballet. I was told multiple times. I was like, it is not even that big. So that feels pretty crazy to me. But, yeah, guys ask too fat for ballet, so.

[B]

Yeah, you heard it first.

[A]

Put it on my resume.

[B]

I sent that back.

[A]

It's the cross I carry.

[B]

Nothing. I'm having. I'm having issues right now.

[A]

I think you're doing Great. Okay. I think you're doing great. I love that color on you. We also got a voicemail, Chris, from Carrie in Chicago. Can we hear what she's got to say?

[F]

Hi, Katie and the Casualties. This is Carrie from Chicago, and I liked your new foul segment. I know you said you might rename it so what if you name it foul or Flop? Because then when you're, like, waiting on Isabella to tell you that that white dude who has the questionable last name, if it's a Fowler flop, you can start chanting spell or bl or. So if you want to use the idea this one is free, the next one you can venmo me. And I can't wait to hear the next section of it. Okay, love you.

[A]

Mean it.

[F]

Bye.

[A]

Carrie, voicemail of the year so far. I mean, it's early. It's not. It's the end of the year. That's. That's. Yeah. I love. Everything about that was perfect. Now, at first, I went. My issue that I bump up against with foul, Flopper, foul is that flop would imply that they were the per. Well, no, I guess that the other person was, like, faking it in order to get. Yeah, it does work.

[B]

I kind of like it because no foul is like, you did nothing wrong.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Whereas flop is kind of like they.

[A]

Did something wrong actually, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they'd be saying, like, the flop is the other person flopped. And the foul was called on me, but it wasn't my fault. It was them flopping. The reason that I. That I. The only hesitation I have left about it is every segment in sports is blank or blank. We are always out here doing a blank or blank. And so I fear that it's too much like, you know, hit or miss or like, you know, all the other ones just as, like, blank or blank. Blank or blank. But I think maybe I'll get a trick or treat.

[C]

Find some originality, children.

[A]

That's right. Like pass or play. Like, you know, trick or treat is not sports tv. Brady, you're in a timeout. You're in a timeout for 30. Brady, you're muted. Brady's muted. This is. Yeah, we can be the new. What's it called, where you mute people. Wow. How quickly we forget around.

[C]

Or horn.

[A]

How quickly we forget around the horn.

[C]

Which, by the way, had buy or sell by yourself.

[A]

Thank you. It's a very. It's a. He's back. Okay. And also, how did you get that out? Muted. It's pretty crazy how that happened. I loved everything about that voicemail.

[B]

I really did me too.

[A]

Mostly the part where she said she liked my new segment. I was feeling so anxious. You guys weren't gonna like it.

[B]

No, it was great.

[A]

I think it was good.

[B]

I like how she was like, Venmo me, you know?

[A]

Yes. This one's free. And then the next one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Better have my money fair. And we also heard from Christine in Maryland.

[F]

Hi, this is Christine from Maryland calling to say, don't you dare take the Gordon Fisherman singing out of the ad. That is my favorite part of the whole ad and maybe the podcast. I laugh out loud every time. And I've been over here singing around my apartment just a goaded fisherman. So I was appalled to hear that Katie was sad about that. But I just can't possibly lose that in my life. Thank you. That's it. Love you. Bye.

[A]

I love you, too. Bye. Can we actually. Does it violate any sort of rule if we clip her doing it and we use her in the ad? Because I wouldn't hate that.

[C]

I will ask Phil.

[A]

Thank you, Ask Phil. Do you guys want me start. Am I gonna start singing ad reads again? No, because we can't. We got away with it at espn. I have no idea how. I have no idea how. Nobody was like, hey, so you can't play Oops, I did it again in the background while you sing an ad. It makes it unadable. But it was fun.

[C]

It was fun. It wasn't legal. Podcasting used to be way more of the wild way.

[A]

I know, but this wasn't even that long ago. It just shows. Nobody at ESPN is listening to my podcast. It's wild, but I'm fine with it. I liked it better that way. Now I have oversight and I can't do voices during ads. Maybe we can. Let's fund them up a little bit. I just got back from an ad conference, you guys. I'm out here doing. I got boots on the ground.

[B]

Look at you.

[A]

I went all the way to Dallas.

[E]

The most interesting of all the conferences, the ad conference. Ad conferences.

[A]

It's got them. They've got the money. I do feel I've never been to an ad conference and gone like, this is low budge. This is where it's at.

[B]

Was there good food provided this?

[A]

No, but the. I mean, that's. It was just a. They had snacks, but the food in the, like, restaurant, gigantic conference center that we were in. Because this was at one of those centers that's like, you can walk from inside. You don't ever have to go outside. 100 degree Dallas heat to Go anywhere. So you. That part was nice. We went to a steakhouse in it, and you guys, we ate so much food. I had the best meal I've had in a long time. And as I'm saying this, I don't remember what it was called. I don't remember.

[B]

Did you have a steak?

[A]

Yes. Yeah. I had a filet. I had a baked potato.

[B]

That was a filet mignon.

[A]

Yeah. Why'd you make that face?

[B]

I don't like.

[A]

What is that? The nicest steaks, the most premium cut of meat. You think you turn your nose up at that?

[B]

I feel like it always tastes a little too well done. Like, it's. I like it.

[C]

Don't get it.

[A]

You guys, what's happening? Do you think, like, I want my.

[B]

Meat to my steak to be more fatty? That's why.

[A]

That's what it is. There's no fat. Yeah, yeah, I know.

[B]

Like, it's not bad if it's offered. And that's what I'm having.

[A]

It's not bad. Can we put that on a T shirt? Filet mignon. It's not bad, Isabella.

[B]

But you know what? Give me. Give me a fatty steak.

[A]

That's crazy. That's a crazy thing that you said that filet wasn't good. But I got that. I got a baked potato. Is that okay with you? Make a face about that.

[B]

No, that's fine. Was there an okay amount of, like.

[A]

Butter and not enough butter, actually, but they did sour cream and they did a cheese sauce instead of, like, shredded cheese. They did cheese sauce underneath the potato. So when you cut it open and you could. I just ended up smushing the whole thing together, making, like, a mash. I could have used a little butter, I will be honest. And then got, like, a burrata appetizer. It was fine.

[B]

My favorite.

[A]

Tasty. It was fine, though. It wasn't like, my favorite part of it. We got wine, and then we got baked Alaska.

[B]

I've never had what is baked Alaska.

[A]

Me neither. This is how we got there. This is how we arrived at it. We said, I've never had this. Why don't we just order it and see? It was like a meringue on the outside. The meringue is. It's like a ball shape. The meringue is covering. This was layered ice cream. It was like pistachio, strawberry, vanilla. I don't think that's always a baked Alaska. I think it's just ice cream with a meringue around it. And it was nice. It was a nice little But a tasty little dinner. Oh, and by the way, I got. I got my steak Oscar. Blue crab. Oscar.

[B]

What the fuck does that mean?

[A]

It's like a blue crab. Chunks of blue crab on top of it and like a. I want to say like a Holland Zs. So good.

[B]

I'll have that full.

[A]

So good.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Maryland approved.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. One of these calls was from Maryland. You didn't want to being annoying about that at all, you know, Silence, fist pump.

[C]

I wasn't going to intercede.

[A]

Okay, well, that's nice of you. That's. Yeah, we can wrap that mailbag up there. That feels good. Thank you guys for writing in. I. It's my favorite part. We could do a whole episode of. We should probably do a whole episode soon of checking in on our. You guys give us so much good mail. You're like in on all of our bits. Like the amount of correspondence we have in regards to orienteering is like a. It's like life affirming for me.

[B]

Whenever you guys write emails, can you. Can you sign it xo? XO in your name?

[A]

Okay, now we're. Now we're asking for things. Now we're asking them to do stuff.

[B]

So it feels like we're like getting a written mail, but they're going to.

[A]

Write love, you mean it? And then xoxo. That wouldn't make any sense.

[B]

What are we limiting love?

[A]

Oh my God. So right. You're so right. Love is not a finite resource. Exactly. You can give, give, give and still have more left over. Isn't that.

[B]

I'm not gonna say we're gonna take.

[A]

All of it, but like, I'll take all of it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Take all the love I can get. Anyways. Anyways, before we get to Bubba, I feel like there's a lot of sports stuff that I just wanted to chat about really quick because whenever there's something that gets us texting each other outside of work hours, I feel like we gotta bring that up on the podcast. And last night, Little League World Series South Carolina played South Dakota, the game. Brady had us tuned in because he pointed out Max and Snoozy. Our boy Max and Snoozy.

[C]

Legend.

[A]

Legend Max and Snoozy, who pitched a complete game one hitter the other day, was there playing.

[C]

He had sit this one out. Couldn't pitch this one.

[A]

That's right. But he did. But he does. He did bat and he had a pretty important hit. I feel like he was. He sparked part of that big inning that they had a tight game. One nothing they. They tie it one one in the Brady fifth, sixth in the six. They tie it on a walked in run. Controversial call because many thought it was a strikeout. There was a pitch that could have been a third strike was called a ball. The. The crowd reacted in a way that had me look up and go, everybody be cool. Nobody. Nobody attacked this ump. Okay? Everybody be cool. And they were, you know, pretty mad. And then he ended up walking the kid and walked in a run. And I was like, oh, here we go. It's tied one one. So we go to extras tight game. And then suddenly not a tight game anymore. South Carolina in the top of the seventh. I get so lost in these innings because of how few of them there.

[C]

Are, but South Dakota top seven.

[A]

Oh, sorry. South Dakota top seven scores five runs. Like they, they. They tear the thing open and I'm like, oh, this is now not a close game anymore. Wow, it was so tight. And now it isn't. And then they show. The South Carolina coach gives the speech about, believe. We gotta believe we're. They're a big Ted Lasso family, he said. And so he's like, believe we can do this. And they go out there and they score how many runs? The one more and they win six. They score six runs and they win. It was crazy. It had everything. The game had everything. A thriller. And I don't think it was really for anything. Was. Was.

[C]

No, it was an elimination game.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But they're not. Dakota goes home. South Carolina moves on. South Carolina today or tonight is playing Las Vegas. And if they win that, they go to the US Championship against Connecticut.

[A]

Oh, they do. So they still can get back up into the important part. It felt. I'm so dumb at this. I could. I. Okay, I'll trying to figure out the.

[C]

Little League World Series. It's impossible.

[A]

It's a lot. It's confusing, but okay. I thought they were in some sort of a. Because they had a loss, didn't they?

[C]

They had a loss, but it's double down to the lower bracket.

[A]

Right, but you can get. Get back up is what you're saying.

[C]

You can win your way all the way to the end. And that's where Connecticut is. Someone trying to win their way back to play Connecticut.

[A]

Okay, Someone's mad at me for not knowing that, but it's not me. I'll tell you what, it's not me. I can't know that. I don't have a kid. You know, the more I know about the Little League World Series, you'd reach A point where you go, that's. Why does she know so much about that?

[C]

The extra inning Little league World Series comebacks are so much. They hit harder because you feel bad for the kid on the mountain. Also that get on the mountain going through it. It's not like when like Byung Hyun Kim is out there and you're like, you got 8 million bucks, you're a grown man, you can lose. This is like that. You see the kid going through the emotions. And when South Carolina had the walk off last night and like the walk off, it was like down the right field line. It was in the kid's glove and fell out like he was diving forward and almost caught it. Yeah, and two runs scored. The right fielder fires at home. But it's way off. So it's like a desperation throw to try to get the last out. And the pitcher just collapsed on his back. Like you could tell this kid was just going through it. 12 year old emotions.

[A]

And then their celebration bumped into him and it was like, ah, get him off the mound. I just sad. Did you see the kid? I forget which team he was on. The kid in left field with the cannon to home plate. There was a crazy throw. No, no, this was this game. He made it. They stopped the runner at third and I think people at first were like, that kid could have scored. And then you see the throw come from left field. It was perfect. And everyone's like, okay, good thing they stopped the runner at third. It was just cool. It's cool seeing kids because when a kid gets it, has a nice throw from far away, the other kids, even on the other team you'll see on in video will go like, wow. Because they're kids and they're like amazed at the athletic feet. It's just so fun.

[B]

What's like the like the age range for little league?

[A]

Like 12, 10? Is it 11? 12?

[C]

I think it's up to 12. So like sometimes they'll have like a freak kid who's like 9 or 10 or something.

[A]

Freak kid is definitely the way we like to describe them. Sometimes they'll get an absolute freak and he can play, but mostly they're 12.

[C]

And you, you get like, you know, it's like the heartwarming part of there's something special about. I was watching, you know, nine kids from Japan against nine kids from Aruba. And you know, they're shaking hands at the end, like they're from different ends of the world. Japan, by the way, had like the crispest outfield defense I've ever Seen. I'm like, you kids go to Baltimore and play right now. Like, I would take that.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

But they, the sportsmanship's great. They're shaking hands. They're, you know, a cheering. It's such a great event.

[A]

And all the moms. I love the moms. I love seeing the moms get fired up. The mom's going through it. The mom's being like, oh my goodness, I can't watch some of the families.

[B]

Like sit in like one same area or.

[A]

No, no. I don't know. I don't, I don't. They don't give you like, probably context of like where they're sitting mostly, but they, they'll have a camera on them most of the time and they'll like go to the. Sometimes they'll do like interviews with them in game. It's just great. I think it's just all the good stuff about sports and then the bad stuff being the umps suck. But they're volunteers. Thank them for their service, but they, but boy, that those strike zones are tough. I'm not saying it'd be easy on a small child, a freak on a nine year old freak to have a strike zone, but a little consistency would be nice. All right. The Colts named Daniel Jones their starting quarterback over Anthony Richardson, who started 11 games last season for Indianapolis. I'm not tuned into Indianapolis like that. This surprised me. This surprising to anybody else.

[E]

Yeah, it's a, it's a boring decision. The, the fact that, what was it like 12 months ago, probably we were touting Anthony Richardson as potentially one of the, you know, up and coming superstars of the league. Dealing with some injuries, dealing with some turnover issues, things like that hasn't been a great last 12 months for him, but still you would have thought that the team would have gone with someone with a much higher ceiling than Daniel Jones, who has been playing in the league for many years. We know exactly what we're going to get, which isn't a whole lot, I guess.

[A]

I guess we should leave room for the possibility that Daniel Jones has unlocked something and grown and is going to come out here and make us all go, wow, we counted him out. That we always do have to leave room for that. I don't like limiting a professional.

[E]

The Sam Donaldson thing, right. Like he leaves, he goes to Minnesota and all of a sudden something clicks within him and he becomes a different player.

[A]

Sure.

[E]

That could happen for so long.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think people as much counted out Baker Mayfield as like, I think he was Up. But, like. But look there. It does seem, like, boring.

[B]

I was gonna say, like, what's the. If you could give, like, one sentence to someone who doesn't understand why Anthony Richardson.

[A]

It was, like, could potentially have been the start of, like, some new energy at the position on that team. Yeah. And Daniel Jones is, like, a guy who, like. Like we. Like Chris said, we know what he can do. He's not exceeded expectations, I guess is the nice way to say he's safe. Yeah. Like, barely even. I guess it's the turnovers that they don't like about Richardson, I would assume.

[C]

Yeah. He's not accurate. Turns the ball over.

[A]

Yeah. But he's got other stuff that other people don't.

[B]

Maybe he could have practiced.

[A]

Okay, we're talking about practice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not again.

[C]

I'd boil it down to two of the least successful top five picks of the last decade. We're having a competition for a team that only has one team color. I think it feels extra boring because.

[A]

Their names are one team color.

[B]

Aren't they blue?

[A]

It's just blue. The white that they use or the silver is not a team color.

[E]

That's just a lack of blue.

[C]

And the white is just like the end of a color spectrum. That's not like.

[A]

Actually. Yes, actually, Chris. I believe white is the presence of all colors.

[B]

It doesn't have a head.

[A]

Or is that black? I don't know. I get confused.

[C]

It's extra boring because their names are Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Basically, Cowboys.

[C]

If you're competing with each other, like, kinda, but different, you just go by Tony Richardson. Do you find something?

[A]

No.

[C]

Tony Richie, Give yourself an edge.

[A]

Like, something.

[C]

This is the. You can't pick one because they're just. They sound so bland.

[A]

I know. Speaking of those Cowboys, though, Isabella.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Jerry Jones, who we all know.

[B]

Glory hole.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

That is 2025 word association for the Dallas Cowboys.

[B]

Incredible glory holes. That's what he said. What he says, right?

[A]

That's exactly right. He's. He is the owner of the Cowboys, also their gm. Speaking on the newly released Netflix documentary America's Team the Gambler and His Cowboys, Jones said, I'm often asked the question, why don't I hire a general manager? I've had people that said, jerry, you subject yourself to so much criticism, you need a buffer. I don't like it like that. I like the pain. What's up, Jerry Jones? Did you guys see when I was in Dallas that I did that their radio station and was, like, asked about. They were curious to know nationally if we're more exhausted with talking about the Cowboys and the discourse around the Cowboys. He was like, with this documentary coming out, are you excited or neutral or sick of hearing about the Cowboys? And I sort of. You know, I've got strong opinions about Jerry Jones, mainly that, you know, it being present in a photograph, that's like, a shame. You know, we don't have to get into it right now. I have my opinions on Jerry Jones, and I sort of alluded to them saying, I don't understand why a man. There's so much bad stuff. We could say, I don't understand why he always wants us talking about him when we could. When. When, you know, there's so much bad stuff to bring up. And as I'm, like, about to bring it up, they were like, good time to mention. We have a weekly segment with Jerry Jones here on this. And you see my face go like, oh, the home of Jerry Jones. We love Jerry Jones, this radio station. But it really, truly is like, if I. If there was so much dirt that you could. Embarrassing, like, mortifying, something I would feel I need to reckon with and, like, atone and never really did. I would fade into obscurity. I wouldn't want people bringing me up all the time. But Jerry loves it.

[B]

And general manager. It's not the same thing in baseball, right. Where you're actually the coach, too?

[A]

That's a really good question. Manager. In baseball, a GM is usually front office. So GM is doing, like, the. The like who they're gonna draft and, like. Yeah, they're, like, acquiring the talent. Bill Belichick was both for the. For the Patriots, but a man, a general. Baseball will also have general managers in the front office. And then managers are the. Is the coach the coach? Yeah. Okay.

[C]

You saw Moneyball, right?

[A]

That's very good. No, I didn't, because Moneyball's not a baseball movie. Right.

[C]

Which is why I thought maybe she would have seen it, but that would be the delineation.

[A]

Yeah. Sorry, I defaulted to my take, which is everybody's always like, base. My favorite sports movie is Moneyball. It's like a business movie, isn't it? It's about the business of baseball. It's not about baseball.

[B]

It's not about the game.

[A]

It's not about the game. It's practice.

[C]

Part of sports is the asset allocation.

[A]

Yeah, I love. I love, you know, deals. I love when people make deals. And then the. In the wnba, lots going on. I don't think we've had another dildo in a While I don't think any. Certainly hasn't crossed my.

[B]

Yeah, I haven't seen anything.

[A]

No dildos on my feed from the wnba. You know, we'll just say that Paige.

[C]

Becker's questions in the Dallas interview.

[A]

Did they ask me? None. No. None. Why you checking on them? Are you doing your ally check?

[C]

You would think maybe it was a.

[A]

20 minute segment and we had to play a game and called yes or not? Yes. So there we. They didn't have time.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

Wow. Brady's starting beef with friends. I just made. I don't know what to do with that. So we'll just say Sophie, he's in protective dad mode. We should mention Brady didn't, but I will. That Paige Beckers dropped a rookie record 44 last night. Dropped a rookie record 40. Why did I say it like that? She scored 44 points last night. Rookie record. They lost, but who cares? That's. We don't need to. That's. That sounded Australian. Heifta. Right? Kiwi. Kind of. I'm working on it. How would you say bloomin. Blue. Blooming. Bloomin. Say it again.

[D]

Oh, Bloomin.

[A]

Bloomin. You guys do like an ER with your O's. That is fun. Yeah.

[B]

Bloomin.

[A]

Bloomin. This is a podcast about sports. Sophie Cunningham out for the rest of the season with a knee injury.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Shocking. Surprising. Caitlin Clark still out. They keep saying she might be back for soon. It's kind of vague, but Sophie Cunningham out for the season with a knee injury. So a tough season for Fever fans right now. But we also learned this week that Sophie has been fined by the NBA. The. Sorry, the wnba. After all, three episodes of her show since it launched this summer. Because she also. First of all, where did a podcast with her and West Wilson come from? Have we talked about this already? Where that came from?

[C]

They went to school together at some point.

[A]

You did. We did.

[C]

They have a relationship going back.

[A]

We did in fact. Talk about this already. Still weird to me. Still not. Still not clicking. But, you know, good for West Wilson, I guess. Get on. Get on while it's hot, you know? Mm. Just like. Okay, okay. She has been talking about the refs, I guess, on her podcast and you're not allowed to do that. And so we've seen them escalate bigger and bigger fines.

[B]

That's annoying.

[A]

Yeah. Also it makes it like at some point diminishing returns on a podcast. I feel like I don't know how much they're doing in ad sales. Probably a bunch. She's an active. Well, not. She's out. She's hurt, but she's like in the wnba. So I would imagine that they would get some good ad sales off that. But it's like if every time you talk, you get fined. What are we doing here? Yeah, this is. You're not making enough in the first place from the WNBA.

[C]

Now, we knew that her first fine was $500, which would hurt me.

[A]

I would be upset to give that away for nothing. It's funny in the context of professional sports and how often we've heard what these fines usually are. We usually hear them about, like, an NFL player or a basket, like an NBA player. But when you hear the wm, at least they aren't finding them the same if they're not going to pay them similarly. At least they're not finding them similarly. That would be crazy. But it is funny to hear, like, we find her 25 for. She has to put 25 in the swear jar because she was mean about the refs.

[C]

500 for the first Monopoly cards.

[A]

It was 1500 for the second one, was it not?

[C]

Yeah, it sounds right.

[A]

And so I Wonder what the third one was, because at some point, 3K, you're gonna have to zip it, I think. Is it. It's not a WNBA podcast they do, is it?

[C]

I think it's a little bit of wnba, but it's like, what does my life look like and what's going on around the world?

[A]

But I'm like, what? What's west bringing to the table, I guess is my question.

[E]

So the podcast brings together WNBA and Indiana Fever star Sophie Cunningham and a high school bestie turned reality star, West Wilson, reality star Summer House.

[A]

Is it like porn in the sense that anyone who performs in it is a star immediately? Because I don'. He's a star of reality tv. He's been in how many of them? How many of how many reality shows has he been in? Does he have a Wikipedia? No, not yet.

[E]

So that they talk about both their lives, from Sophie's insider access to the Fever locker room to West's wild tales from Bravo Summer House, plus candid convers with their wide network across sports and entertainment.

[A]

When you search West Wilson, he it says you get either Weston Wilson, professional baseball outfielder and infielder for the Philadelphia Phillies, or John West Wilson, a businessman and arts patron who died in 1889. So I guess I just don't get to know who West Wilson is.

[C]

The man with bad SEO.

[A]

I guess the kids don't care, but he's probably got a ton of followers. I would Bet he feels like a plant. Like, he feels like a psyop. I feel like all of a sudden, everybody was like, west Wilson. He's so famous. And I was like, who is this? I didn't even think we were watching Summer House. It was like a fake reality show.

[B]

I didn't even know what that is.

[A]

Thank you. Good luck to the podcast, I guess. And maybe. I don't know. I don't want to say. What do you guys think? It's like. I don't want to say, stop talking about the refs. You should be able to talk about the refs. But it's like, you know what the. You know what the takeaway is here? I found it. Athlete podcasts, unfortunately, they just don't work. So get out of the space.

[B]

And come on, casuals.

[A]

That's right. That's right. We'll.

[D]

We'll.

[A]

We won't. We'll cover for you if you're gonna say something. We'll bleep it out. I'll take the fine. We'll absorb it. Just come here and you can't if they're not gonna let you be honest. That's the value of an athlete podcast. So sorry, guys. You tried it, but guess it's time to pack it up all.

[C]

Unless she's selling sponsorships of her fines, which actually be a great business idea.

[A]

Can you do that? And while we're talking risky business ideas, can we buy a take from Mina? Is there. Is there any. I was trying to think about the legality of this. Just an idea kicking around in my head.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That I contact Mina Kimes, my dear friend and football genius, and ask her about a take that she feels pretty strongly about but wouldn't be able to say. I would be buying it from her. We put a price on it. I'd get to take it and say it, and if it's right, I get all the credit and she's not allowed to take any of it. Is this allowed? What if we purchased a tape from her?

[B]

It's. Ghostwriters exist, and she is your take. Ghostwriter.

[C]

We'd be like Kirkland vodka, where it's like, definitely Grey Goose, but in a different bottle.

[A]

It's Grey Goose.

[B]

You think so?

[A]

Oh, God, yeah.

[C]

Oh, it's definitely Grey Goose.

[A]

Also, Dan went on a big rant the other day about things and used vodka as, like, the metaphor. And he was like, it's like Grey Gooses low quality, but they just put it in a fancy bottle. And I was like, oh, is that known? I didn't know that that is Grey Goose. Low quality, I guess. Well, it's. I mean, it's high price point, but.

[C]

Apparently it's not soda take.

[A]

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[A]

Wallace, so good to have you here today. Thank you for coming a lot that I want to talk to you about. Our show is called casuals. So we try to speak to a casual fan. Let a casual fan know where are we at in this, in the NASCAR season?

[D]

Right now we are at the last race of the regular season before the playoffs. Before the playoffs.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And the playoffs are kind of complicated. Basically, how many people, how many drivers make it in?

[D]

16.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

So 16. So you run the first three races of the playoffs and they'll cut four, run the second three, cut four. Now you're down to eight. Run the last three or I guess the third three, you're down to four. And then the final four go race for championship at Phoenix. Well, so we hope to be one of those final four going for a championship.

[A]

Is it like they just take the top 16 and that's how it works, or is it more complicated than that?

[D]

More complicated?

[A]

Of course it is. Yes.

[D]

Yes. So it's winning. You're in. If you have a win, you get locked into the playoffs. So there are guys that are, I don't know, 25th or so in points that are locked in the playoffs. And so it. It becomes a little bit more hectic for guys that are in on points that can get bumped out. So there's a lot of guys right now, like in and on the cut line that. That could be bumped out, but they are good on points. So. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So you're in ninth. I'm in. Nice.

[D]

Yeah. Ninth or tenth? Yeah.

[A]

Does the Brickyard win count as a win? And you're in?

[D]

Oh, yeah. I'm locked in. I'm no stress.

[A]

Okay. So we're not even worried about it?

[D]

No.

[A]

Oh, my God. I thought we were over here worried about it.

[D]

Hey, it is normal for me to be on the cut line the last three years. I've been the last car in.

[A]

And that's the past. We don't need to dwell on that. You're not on the line right now.

[D]

Love where the head's at.

[A]

Okay, so are you already, like, planning for 100% that?

[D]

I've been doing that for last month.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Whoa. And what does that look like?

[D]

Freedom. Just a lot of champagne, A lot of victories.

[A]

Good.

[D]

Just good times. Good times. And then remembering that I have 11 month at home, so I have to be tame. Yeah.

[A]

How's that experience?

[D]

It's been great.

[A]

11 months old?

[D]

Yeah, 11 months.

[A]

Almost a year.

[D]

Almost a year.

[A]

Are you going to continue measuring in months once you're past 12? Thank you. No, thank you.

[D]

I remember asking somebody on our team, this was a couple years ago. I was like, how old is your kid now? 26 months and a half.

[A]

I'm pretty sure I haven't done math in a while, But I think 12 goes into 26 enough times.

[D]

We could call that something else. Yes, exactly. Yes. So once he's one, he's one and a half.

[A]

I love that.

[D]

Or he's two.

[A]

I love that. And thank you. Yes, thank you. Because I don't want to do the math. You do the math. Is he over a year or what? So he's coming up on a year. Do you have the birthday planned?

[D]

No, I was actually asked about that. Not sure what Amanda has planned, but it falls on Monday.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

So I'm hoping that it's big and extravagant to get me out of Monday meetings. Doubt that's gonna happen.

[A]

But in terms of days of the week for a one year old's birthday, Monday is not bad.

[D]

Monday's not bad at all.

[A]

Like, you'd hate that to be your 21st birthday.

[D]

Right. Do you celebrate your birthdays anymore?

[A]

Not really.

[D]

Really?

[A]

I just sort of use it. Are we being honest? I just sort of use it as an excuse to be all about me that day in a way that other days I would feel that selfish. I empower myself to go, I'm not doing that. You'll be doing that.

[D]

Nothing with that.

[A]

I have gifts. I don't really do a party.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, Have a couple people over maybe.

[A]

I'm nearing 40, so I think.

[D]

That was a good. Oh, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, let's zoom in on that. So I probably will do something for that.

[D]

Yeah, that's cool.

[A]

But I'm not good at planning parties, as is evidenced by I've been engaged for like three years.

[D]

Congratulations on that.

[A]

So much. Thank you so much. And I love them more than anything. I don't love planning a party.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And a wedding is a gigantic party, expensive party. And so I'm not really into it, but I will get to it eventually. It's on my list of things take your time to do.

[D]

Take your time.

[A]

But more importantly is doing this. I said this to you when you walked in because I saw the clip of it and it shocked me. I know it's probably not anything to you. A driver who does this professionally.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But your wheel fell off when you were in second place.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

In a race recently, like in the car driving away, wheel fell off. What the. Is that terrifying?

[D]

No, no.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

Because it's kind of the norm. Not the norm. I can't say it's the norm for us, but it happens a lot more than you think in our sport. And fortunately enough that this was right after our pit stop. So I was. I just taken out of our pit box and so I was going 5, 10 miles an hour, whatever it is, and it fell off. So I wasn't hauling ass into a corner.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

And a wheel has fallen. That has happened to me. And it is terrifying in the moment, but it's just like, well, we're along for the ride and bam, you hit the wall and you're done. So another day in the park. So this one was. There was the good and bad. Obviously. The bad is we were running second and the wheel fell off and we gave up our chances of winning. That happens. But if it was on the racetrack, that's a damaged car, a wrecked race car, suspensions for the crew members, and it's two weeks. Playoffs start in two weeks. So having our key players out for a race, not good.

[A]

Right.

[D]

So best worst case scenario for us in that happening. Hate it. Because we had a really, really good car at Richmond. But I said this after winning Indy, that we're going to use this next month to expose our weaknesses, and not necessarily pit road is our weakness because we've been really, really strong. My pit crew has been at the top, one of the best pit crews on pit road all year, so. But if there's a time to make mistakes, it's.

[A]

Then that's smart.

[D]

Right. And so I got out of the car and I looked at my crew and I just laughed. I was like, that's all you could do in that moment. Right. And hey, let's, you know, let's get it. Let's get all the. The kinks ironed out for when we hit darlington here next week and get to hit the ground running.

[A]

And what is the kink there? Is it a miss?

[D]

A screw that wasn't screwed in just a freak accident? The way that the whole pit stop went about, the lug nut got bumped off of the wheel like it. All it takes is like this and just one bad pull, one wrong direction in it.

[A]

In terms of most stressful jobs in sports, I feel like pit crew has be up there, the speed at which they move.

[D]

Yeah, we're doing stops in eight seconds now. Yeah.

[A]

Do you ever feel guilty you're not helping out?

[D]

I kind of am.

[A]

Do you ever feel like you should hop out and maybe, I don't know, pick up a wrench?

[D]

No, no. You don't want that because then shit would really fall off.

[A]

Yeah, true. Do you find. Are you. Do you know more about cars than most people or is this like a dumb thing that I would think and you're like, I don't concern myself with that. I have to worry about the this of it all.

[D]

A little bit of both. I mean, I can hold my own in a casual convers, I'm sure, you know, but like to get to the intricate stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Nah.

[A]

Right?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't concern yourself with every aspect of the business.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You've got to focus on the just.

[D]

Driving, going fast with all four tires on the car.

[A]

You. When did you power through being afraid of going fast? Were you ever afraid of going fast in your life as a child? You always were like, speed, speed, speed.

[D]

I wasn't like a speed demon, but. But you know, when I start out in go karts, we were probably going, I don't know, 20, 25 miles an hour and like it didn't seem like that fast. And then you go to the next car and you would go to 40 miles an hour and it's like, okay. And then you got to another one and you were like, oh, some tracks are going 100. And it's like, oh, this is kind of cool. But I feel the most safe when I'm in a race car. Obviously it's romantic. Yeah. Right. Like I get a little wigged out on the roads. Like if I start going like, like upwards of 100, which you should never do, kids.

[A]

Should not, do not do, should not do.

[D]

You know, if you're in a little pinch. But like I'm like, no, you shouldn't.

[A]

Be in a pinch.

[D]

You have to leave. If anyone. Right amount of time.

[A]

Dude, if I got pulled over, if I were you and I got pulled over going 100, it obviously be a very different experience for a number of reasons. But I would be like, I do this professionally.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So we're not unsafe.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

When I go 100.

[D]

So I did get pulled over one time. This was, I don't know, 2012 for crossing the center lane. But it was only in the left hand turns. So I do that. Like I shorten up distances.

[A]

Yeah. As you. Because that's what your brain is used to. It would almost be harder to get you to undo.

[D]

So like I cross the center lane and yes, it's very legal. You can't Cross a double yellow line.

[A]

Don't do it. Not even in a pinch?

[D]

No, not even in a pinch. But I told the cop, I was like, hey, man, sorry. I do that for a living. Like, I turned left for a living. And he was like, all right. I get that.

[A]

Good.

[D]

I'm gonna give you a ticket for your tent, though.

[A]

I was like, God, six. I know you do that for a living. I know you've got the money to pay this, and I will be giving you a ticket.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Did you see. I don't know why you would have, but Miles Garrett. You know who that is, got pulled over for a speeding offense in the off season. And one of the first questions I asked him in his press conference yesterday was a little bit of an embarrassing thing for the reporter because it was such a strange. But he was basically like, what does it feel like when you see that needle taken up to a. When you're driving? And Myles Garrett was like, I'm not gonna answer that question, but. Because clearly there are people in sports media who want to know what it feels like. Perhaps you could speak to that. What does it feel like?

[D]

Yeah. Well, we don't even know how fast we're going. We don't even have a speedometer in the car.

[A]

What the hell? That makes sense, I guess.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you have other. I assume you're monitoring other stuff.

[D]

Yeah, we just can see the rpms.

[A]

But that's crazy to me, so you couldn't. You don't even know.

[D]

Don't even know. I have to get out. I'm like, hey, how fast are we going? 180. Okay.

[A]

Oh, okay. Cool.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

180.

[D]

Yeah, it doesn't feel like it. This. This weekend will be, like, 200. Close to 200 Daytona. Yeah. It's sick. But everybody's. Everybody's going the same speed, so it doesn't feel like that.

[A]

Right.

[D]

When you feel the speed is when you hit something.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[D]

Yeah, that hurts.

[A]

And that's what's the most hurt you've ever been from hitting something.

[D]

So my brakes blew out. You want to talk about scary stuff?

[A]

Geez Louise. When is this?

[D]

2018.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Pocono.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Rookie year. Breaks explode.

[A]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So what does that feel? What's. What was your first like.

[D]

Oh, I turned left right.

[A]

As you do.

[D]

As you do to cut through the grass, because there's something in your mind that says, I can make it to the back stretch. Well, you have to slow down to actually get the car to turn.

[A]

This is just Like Mario Kart. I'm totally up. Go ahead. Keep going.

[D]

And when I turned left, I was going straight. Straight for the wall. So that was actually the most scared I've ever been in the car.

[A]

Did you pee a little?

[D]

No.

[A]

I would have.

[D]

No. I thought I was gonna die, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Like. Like legit.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, when you see, like, a spin out, like, or a little fender bender for whatever you want to call it, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It's just, like, up. Here we go. But that one was like, oh, this is it. That was it. And at the last second, the car repositioned itself, and I was like, oh, thank God. This is just gonna hurt now. Boom. Hit the wall. So that's all within five seconds, but it slows down.

[A]

I bet for. You're, like, able to have all these thoughts.

[D]

Yeah. And so I broke the. I broke the gas pedal or the clutch pedal in half with my foot, and I bit my cheek. So I had a little sore foot for a couple days, and I bit my cheek.

[A]

Bit your cheek. I did that yesterday, and I'm still dealing with it. I couldn't eat anything spicy last night. Ow. What's on? So I get it. I can relate to you so easily with Mario Kart.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And with the. Have you. So you. You don't. Are you, like, a risk taker in life? You, like, live on the edge type of guy? Because that's what NASCAR is to me.

[D]

Driving presented, like, a challenge or something, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't hesitate. Sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But I'm not, like, seeking thrill.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

It's like, hey, we're thinking about jumping off the top of the building today, like, BASE jumping. I'd be like, that'd be kind of sick.

[A]

You would?

[D]

Yeah. But I wouldn't be like, after this, can we just go up there and do it?

[A]

I've been sitting, too.

[D]

I need a promise.

[A]

Somebody needs to offer you the opportunity, and then you take it.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Well, that makes sense.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Something I've been hearing about that is a new tradition in nascar, or maybe it's not new, but it's new to me, is that when the young guys. If you win a race, everybody flies home immediately. Ryan Blaney was saying this, and they. And you go to the winner's house, and the winner has to throw a party.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that. That is a thing that happens. Yeah.

[D]

Blaney, we did that. We fly together. So it's funny that you bring him.

[A]

Up, that you guys are like.

[D]

We're like, you know, I can Mike, Just alike.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yes. So we. We flew home. We fly home after every race. Just about every race. And, yeah, he flew. He came over to the house. We partied after Indy. Yeah, it was a good time. So. Yes, that is a thing.

[A]

You guys throw parties?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Who. How. How are you pulling that off? You're busy. You have people that help organize.

[D]

Oh, yeah. You got people that aren't at the racetrack with you that are just running to the grocery store, grabbing the beers, grabbing the food.

[A]

Are there themes? Are you, like, I'd like to keep the food to, like, a Tex Mex vibe or, like, I'd like to go with a barbecue vibe.

[D]

You know, we usually just kind of go, what? It's what's easy for everybody. Like pizza or some wings.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, so, yeah, it's not McDonald's. It can be. Every once in a while, it is McDonald's.

[A]

And then we look and we go, McDonald's. But up. I was afraid in the middle of doing it that it was like that. That was Burger King.

[D]

You just gotta go. You gotta trust your gut.

[A]

I know. God, I panicked because I just know they're probably like, we pay him a lot of money to not do the wrong thing. Speaking of McDonald's, I, you know, I don't know. Do you consider yourself an athlete? Is that a fair word to use when talking to a driver?

[D]

What do you think?

[A]

I would say? Respectfully, yes, because in my mind, it's the athlete is whoever is doing the professional sport. And you do a professional sport. So to me, I'd be fine with calling you an athlete, but I don't know if you're like, I bristle against being called that. I prefer driver.

[D]

No, that's. No, I think. Well, so you would say, then, do NFL players just want to be college football players?

[A]

I don't. Maybe.

[D]

You know, yeah.

[A]

I just think there are people out there who don't know anything. And why do we listen to them? I don't know. But we do.

[D]

Right?

[A]

Who would say that you're not an athlete?

[D]

Yes. So my argument to that is it's in a practice setting. So we're talking about practice. Talking about practice.

[A]

Not a game.

[D]

Not a game. Practice. Whether it's baseball, whether it's football, basketball. I can make a free throw. I can throw maybe 30 yards, catch a pass, maybe not hit a 95 mile or basketball, but catch fly. Right.

[A]

You're athletic for sure.

[D]

So I can do all that. But in a test setting, in our car, no one can run a lap faster. Than me.

[A]

Right.

[D]

So.

[A]

So shut your stupid mouth is what he's saying. You're an athlete.

[D]

Who's. Who's the athletes? Not saying that they're not athletes, but, like, we need to have a seat at the table.

[A]

Yeah, I love that. So you are an athlete. This was all an extended intro to get into. I don't know if as an athlete, you're eating a ton of McDonald's like I am, but we had a fun bit here where we have all of these defunct Brady, our producer Brady was really into this bit. So somewhere in a room far from us, he is delighting at the idea that we are getting into this right now.

[D]

Love that. What up, Brady?

[A]

We're evaluating defunct McDonald's meals. Things that existed at McDonald's that no longer exists.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

From 1968 to 2020, there was something called the double Big Mac. Did you know that? Till 2020, I did not know that. That you could get a double Big Mac, which was four total burger patties.

[D]

Wow, that's impressive.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Props to who got those.

[A]

Yeah. How are you? I don't want to do it for the sake of the clip, but how are you getting your mouth around four? It's a gigantic. Yeah, see, we can't guess. We can't be adults. What about this one? Now, this was one I partook in quite a bit when all of the fast food joints were going through a salad phase. Do you remember the McSalad Shaker?

[D]

I do, actually. Yes. Yes.

[A]

2000 to 2003. So you were probably, what, four years old? They were like a cup with a salad in it.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like there was like, three different types. And then you pour the dressing in and then you put the cap on and you shake it.

[D]

Like a little barista.

[A]

Yeah. And then you eat your salad out of a cup. Yeah, that was a fun one. I liked. How about the fish McBites? I don't remember those well because they were only around for two months. It was in 2013. Chicken nuggets, but fish.

[D]

Hmm.

[A]

I see the vision.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, why not?

[A]

Right? And for me, the why not is I personally am not getting the fish filet or anything. Like, I don't go fish out of at fast food. And that's nothing against McDonald's.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. It's just your.

[A]

Just my personal preference.

[D]

Yeah, that's right. Nothing wrong with that.

[A]

That's right.

[D]

I didn't know there was anything else on the menu besides chicken nuggets. That's all I get.

[A]

What's your sauce?

[D]

Barbecue. That's the only sauce that they have. So here's the thing about voices.

[A]

Here's the thing about McDonald's, okay? Nobody does a sweet and sour sauce like McDonald's. Like McDonald's. It is their. It should be their pride and joy. It should be the thing they talk about all the time. We've got this. If I order sweet and sour sauce anywhere else, I go, what is this? And it's probably the. I don't know right way to make sweet and sour sauce, but McDonald's sweet.

[D]

And sour sauce, just the best. I might. You know what? I might have to try that.

[A]

Just try it.

[D]

Just give it a try.

[A]

Dip your fries in it. Oof. It's so good.

[B]

I've never had that one.

[A]

What?

[B]

I never had that one. Sweet and sour.

[A]

What's wrong with you? Yes.

[B]

My go to sauce is honey mustard.

[A]

Okay, well.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

That's okay. That's all right. I don't work there.

[D]

There's always that one person, right?

[B]

Oh, you know what? I'm turning my mic off. Bye.

[A]

He's like, and she is this. We have to a McStuffins. So this was from 93 to 96. We were in a weird place. It was like a Hot Pocket. And it came in three flavors. Cheese, pepperoni, and then. What would you guess that third flavor would be?

[D]

Mmm, sausage.

[A]

Right. That's a great guess. Chicken teriyaki.

[D]

Whoa.

[A]

Mm.

[D]

Interesting. What are we doing McDonald's?

[A]

I don't know, but we did it for three years.

[D]

They were going through a.

[A]

They were like, let's try it. Yeah, maybe. Maybe we're this.

[D]

Maybe we're feeling bold.

[A]

Yeah, maybe this is what we're into. It's like when you wear a hat out and your friends go, you don't wear hats. What is that? You're like, I don't know. Maybe I'm a. I thought maybe I was a hat guy. You're not a hat guy. Chicken teriyaki's out.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

And then the last one we have to get to because of other affiliations. For you, the McJordan in 1992, and only in Chicago, celebrating Michael Jordan. A quarter pounder with barbecue sauce, Bacon, mustard, onions, cheese, and pickles. I'd eat that.

[D]

No pickles.

[A]

No pickles?

[D]

No. What was on it?

[A]

Bacon, mustard, onions, cheese, and pickles.

[D]

Yeah, no pickles, but love a good dill spear.

[A]

Yeah. What's that about?

[D]

I don't like.

[A]

Don't like it on your sandwiches. Okay. And that's like, I don't like lettuce. On my sandwiches.

[D]

But you like salad.

[A]

I'll eat a salad. Especially if it's in a cup that I can shake. Bring it back. I want it.

[D]

That's interesting.

[A]

Yeah. What is? That I don't like lettuce.

[D]

That I don't like pickles. But I love pickles.

[A]

Yeah. We're weird. God, we're so nuanced. We're such nuanced, interesting people. Okay, zooming out bigger to, like, sports. More sports. You're a Volunteers fan.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

Tennessee fan.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

We're heading into the season. Just give me first. How are you feeling? Oh, okay.

[D]

That's bad. Oof.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Similar oof. That you said when I said. No, no, no. That was a record. Similar oof. To the 40.

[D]

Oof. I had a little more umph behind that. Oof. You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, we've been. We've been solid the last couple years. We've been solid. So I. I don't know. I. I'm a middle of the road type guy. I'm gonna cheer for him and be proud. When they win, I'm gonna be upset, but I'm not gonna bash them when they lose.

[A]

Great.

[D]

So I just hope we beat Bama, hope we beat Georgia, beat all the big games. Right. And I'm happy with that.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But excited to see what Hypo's doing with the crew. I know we got a new quarterback in, so.

[A]

Joey Aguilar.

[D]

Yes. From ucla. Yes. So, yeah. Yeah. We thought we had something with Nico, but money changes people.

[A]

He is a lever. He says it right in his name.

[D]

And so. Yeah, I think, you know, if none. Nonetheless, you know, same record as last year, if not one game better.

[A]

And last year, you guys made it to the playoffs.

[D]

We did make the playoffs. Yeah.

[A]

You lost in the first round.

[D]

Ohio State.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, felt really good going into that game and obviously felt like ass after. But then seeing that we lost to the national champs. Okay.

[A]

Yeah. It softens the blow just a little. Bit. Of course, they had to go all the way.

[D]

Right. Right.

[A]

We couldn't have beaten them.

[D]

Right. It's not like they got blown out the next game and then you're like, come on, we're a game away.

[A]

Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I get that. Have you seen. Have you. Do you follow, like, the romantic relationships of athletes at all? Does this interest you? Do you know who Megan the.

[D]

I do.

[A]

If you didn't, I feel like I'd be about to change your life. Let's Take a break. Turn the cameras off. Let me show you Megan Thee, stallion. Very quickly.

[D]

Yes, she is. With who?

[A]

Klay Thompson.

[D]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

They've just started dating.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

They're everywhere. They're so cute.

[D]

That's such a. I wouldn't say odd pairing, but it is, yeah.

[A]

Why? What makes you feel that way?

[D]

I don't know. Like, obviously we know Meg Thee, stallion, but obviously we know Clay, and I feel like they're just two sides of the spectrum.

[A]

I know, but off. That's right.

[D]

So could work out.

[A]

It's one of those things where I feel like once they bumped into each other and they were like, this is working. They really seem. And I try not to fall for pr. This could all be pr. We don't know these people.

[D]

Yeah, he made a splash.

[A]

I'd love to know. Splash, bros. That's right. You know, I was gonna make a whop reference, and then I was like, maybe we don't. I was gonna say, like, if it's a, you know, we're going there. And the wetness, but we won't have to. The thing that's going viral right now is that she, for him, she cooked him catfish and spaghetti.

[D]

Oh.

[A]

And he said it's the greatest thing he's ever eaten.

[D]

It took me a second to process the second part of that, because I was like, catfish, huh? Little typical, but spaghetti threw me for a loop.

[A]

Okay. And so this is what's interesting. I've been watching this discourse online, and at first, people were like, this is splitting across racial lines. Black people know about catfish and spaghetti, and white people don't know about catfish and spaghetti. And then I saw black people going, pause. I don't know anything about catfish and spaghetti.

[D]

Catfish okay for Monday's dinner, and then spaghetti for Tuesday's dinner.

[A]

But you guys have a plan for every day.

[D]

I'm just saying, who puts catfish and spaghetti together?

[A]

Apparently, this is a, I believe, Southern. So it's not just on racial lines. It's also geographic. So I believe. What I've sussed out is that it is a Southern black, like, staple.

[D]

How Southern are we talking? Where's she from?

[A]

She's from Houston, so I don't know. But I've also seen people say it's not a Houston thing, per se, but that if you are Southern black, you understand and recognize and also act like everybody should know about. That's where I was like, I don't think everybody knows about catfish and spaghetti as a combo, but I am interested by it.

[D]

Me too. It kind of sounds good.

[A]

Because I love spaghetti.

[D]

Me too.

[A]

And I love good catfish. Catfish and so. But I couldn't picture. I mean, I'm Italian, so I'm like, spaghetti is spaghetti. I could eat it alone. I could eat it and try not to eat it, but could for every meal. I could eat pasta all day. Every day.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

So I was curious to know, had you ever had catfish and spaghetti?

[D]

No, not together.

[A]

But would you?

[D]

I'd be down to try it.

[A]

Could you? If Megan thee stallion cooked it?

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. You could find time in your day maybe.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

To have Megan the stallion cook.

[B]

Did she do a red sauce or a white sauce?

[A]

It was a red sauce.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It was like spaghetti sauce.

[D]

White sauce. Spaghetti.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Do you mean like lemon butter, like that kind of thing?

[A]

Or like Alfredo?

[D]

Oh, I got you. I got you.

[A]

Is this like a white sauce?

[D]

Yeah, I'm thinking like spaghetti, meatballs. Meat sauce. Like red.

[A]

I'm thinking that. Yeah, there's. Oh, yeah. We could make you a green sauce even. We get nuts. We can get nuts on our pasta if you want to. Yeah. Okay. So that's our thoughts on catfish and spaghetti. That's done. All right. You work out a lot, but do drivers have to?

[D]

I do not.

[A]

But you do because you want to. Because you're dedicated to the.

[D]

Just working hard and pushing those weights around.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

No. Drivers do. I think for me it's more cardio. I have been on a little bit of a hiatus with me working out.

[A]

Hey, same. No judgment here.

[D]

No judgment.

[A]

Take a little break.

[D]

That's right. You know, had a little hamstring injury.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I was like, man, it's nice. Not doing anything.

[A]

Yeah. Sitting is good.

[D]

Ask my hamstring is. Now it's 100%.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Working out. Nope.

[B]

No.

[D]

Nope.

[A]

Good.

[D]

Been 100% for about a month now.

[A]

When you do work out, what do you wear? Usually the reason I ask.

[D]

Yeah, let's.

[A]

We'll go to the tape, set this up. And now I'd like to be clear. This is non political. What's about to happen. Non political. Okay. It's just about a video I saw.

[D]

You got to choose your interest here.

[A]

Uh huh huh huh. This is a video of. This is going to be the secretary of Defense and RFK Jr.

[D]

So obviously this was a. This was a stop on his media tour.

[A]

I don't know. So he's wearing jeans.

[D]

You think that's just normal working out.

[A]

In jeans and a belt?

[D]

I. I mean, that's not my cup of tea.

[A]

That couldn't be. Yeah, but do people do this?

[D]

I haven't seen it.

[A]

I've never seen it now, but in the comments, I'm seeing people go like, this is common. Real men work out in jeans.

[D]

I feel like this is a Southern.

[A]

This is a southern white thing. I think working out in jeans and a belt.

[D]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's crazy.

[A]

Work the moisture.

[B]

Maybe they're jeggings.

[D]

No, no, no, no, no. These are.

[B]

No, no, I haven't seen the video yet.

[A]

These are full denim. Gotcha. Sturdy. And a T shirt. And this is for a workout challenge that they're issuing or whatever. Yeah, it is. The plan for the day was to film the fitness video.

[D]

We shouldn't judge. They're getting their workout in.

[A]

Yeah. It's the right answer.

[D]

No matter what they're wearing politically, clothes or not answer.

[A]

You know, you did the right thing there. It's not what I wanted from you. You, but it's what I got.

[D]

It's interesting. Props to you.

[A]

Props to you. Don't work out in jeans. That's freak. I'm sorry. That's crazy.

[D]

I mean, yeah, I'm not saying that it could.

[A]

I might try it, but that's crazy.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Untrust. I do not trust if you work out in jeans, especially at a time when none of us want to wear jeans and they're making workout pants that you can wear to work. So just wear those. Like, what? In a world where athleisure exists. Jeans to work out. Get out of my face. Okay, here's another thing I want to ask you about. Taylor Saucedo. He's a relief pitcher for the Seattle Mariners. You don't have to know who that is. Don't worry.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

He tweeted out yesterday, and a lot of athletes have started to discuss the way that fans are interacting with them on social media because of gambling. And coming into. Is this happening in NASCAR as well? Like, are you guys getting. He tweeted out that somebody said. I'm quoting here. I hope your head gets blown off to pieces walking in Philly, you ugly autistic. Your wife and girlfriend dying, too, would be awesome as well. This seems to echo all of the. An uptick in the language used and the hate spewed at athletes. And I'm curious to know. I'm sure your experience in NASCAR has been quite colorful in general, but if things have got. If you've noticed an uptick in this in your fandom as well.

[D]

No. Like, I know sports betting can get crazy. But no, I haven't had. That's. That's crossing the line for sure. That guy has a. Tell us you have a gambling problem without telling us to have a gambling.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[D]

Just like that.

[A]

A couple problems. I feel like. Yeah. That they could probably get worked out.

[D]

Yeah. But no, I haven't had anything like that.

[A]

Thank God.

[D]

Yeah. Right.

[A]

Okay, great. Great. Good. Next.

[B]

I have a question.

[A]

Yeah, go for it.

[B]

What's your zodiac sign?

[A]

Sick. Do you know what it is?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You looked at me like you didn't.

[D]

I'm a Libra.

[A]

You guys are ruled by Venus and you love balance, harmony and beauty. You're often described as charming, diplomatic. I mean the jeans clip. Diplomatic as hell. And fair minded individuals who strive for justice and equality. This is not bad.

[D]

Fix your face there, Sid. Fix your face.

[A]

Disagree. Do we have a disagree?

[D]

Those are like two out of three points right there.

[A]

Which one's missing? You're not charming. I think you're charming. I think you're diplomatic for sure. You don't think you care about justice or a God?

[D]

No, no, I do. I do. Better hope I do. After everything.

[A]

Yeah. After all of it.

[D]

Yeah. No, I guess three out of three points there. Yeah.

[A]

Wow. So that's basically you are. You're. You're stereotypical Libra. I love that.

[D]

That's fair. When's your birthday?

[A]

January 28th. I'm in Aquarius. Which.

[D]

Like J. Cole. January 28th, is it?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Also a member of NSync as well as a member of the Backstreet Boys. So I had the whole thing covered. Don't ask. Which. Because they weren't the good ones, you know, they were just. It's someone in the band.

[D]

Gotcha. I thought you were saying J. Cole was part of those two groups.

[A]

I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. J. Cole also has my birthday and Greg Popovich.

[D]

Oh.

[A]

It's a good pop. A lot of great people born on January 28th.

[D]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah. What is Libra? When is that?

[D]

October.

[A]

Coming up.

[D]

October. Yeah. Big three, two.

[A]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. 32. Yeah, you're really getting up there.

[D]

That's a good. Oof.

[A]

Oof.

[B]

Is it true that you've worked for Michael Jordan at some point?

[D]

I what?

[A]

Worked for Michael Jordan? Yeah.

[D]

Oh, yeah, I do right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. He's my boss. Yeah.

[A]

What's he like as a boss?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Super cool, super laid back. Really fun to be around.

[A]

All words people have said to describe Michael Jordan and working with him in the Past laid back. Chill. Doesn't really care.

[D]

Yeah, he's not competitive at all. No, no. He's actually honestly just a genuine, down to earth, really good guy and loves racing. Love. Has a really strong passion for NASCAR and motorsports and loves cars.

[B]

Does he ever ride with you?

[D]

No. No, he won't. He taught me. He taught me that if you know you're gonna go into something and lose, don't participate.

[A]

Which sounds logical and makes perfect sense.

[D]

He'll never get into a race car, and I'll never go play basketball with him.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like that just altered my brain camp. I get into things, I'm gonna look lose all the time.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And I'm not. And you're saying, don't do that.

[D]

Don't do that.

[A]

Okay. Whoops. All right.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I think what I'm supposed to take away from that is, like, know you're gonna win.

[D]

No, you're gonna win. That's right.

[A]

Never doubt yourself. But I hear, like, I'm always doubting myself. I guess I should just stay home all the time. No, that's good advice. That's good advice from your boss.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

Famously. Chill. Cool. Relax. That's it, Michael Jordan.

[D]

That's it.

[A]

Okay, Bubba, I really will let you go this time. I feel like I've said goodbye to you three times. Good luck.

[D]

Thank you. Appreciate that.

[A]

Okay, that's it for today's episode of Casuals. Thank you so much for tuning in. Big thanks to our guest, Bubba Wallace. What a cool guy. Spent so much time with us. Just a blast. I had fun. You had fun, Isabella?

[B]

I had a lot of fun.

[A]

There was a moment we didn't capture it on camera, but I do want to acknowledge it for the listeners that you and I. Yeah. When he referenced. Referenced practice, the Allen Iverson, I looked over to see if, like, is that registering with her? Because we've taught Isabella about that, and she, like, lit up and pointed at me, and I was like, yes.

[B]

Yeah, we did it. It's so funny because it's like, for.

[A]

Me, I was like, I get this reference. My brain was exploding, and I was like, don't say anything. Like, literally, he's talking. It was perfect. It made me so happy. And who doesn't want a podcast that just makes the host happy? Isn't that what they're here for? If you want to. You want to reach us, we're gonna keep taking your calls and emails and stuff. Casuals@cadenol gmail.com 646-801-0043 on IG and tick tock. We are at Casuals, the podcast. Thank you all for being here, we love you, we mean it, and we'll see you on Tuesday. Bye.

[D]

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[A]

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[D]

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