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Casuals with Katie Nolan
Super Bowl Day One | with Cari Champion, Jemele Hill & Jen Welter
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Hello! It’s the podcast that is broadcasting from media row in San Francisco just like every other sports podcast this week. Today, Katie and the Casualties talk about why YOU should care about this Super Bowl match-up, question how Bill Belichick (and Robert Kraft) isn’t a first ballot Hall of Famer, celebrate Carlos Alcaraz’s historic Australian Open win against Novak Djokovic, slam hockey brand [REDACTED] for being a bunch of no-fun losers, touch on the latest rumored celebrity power couple, and react to the Turning Point USA lineup announcement. Then, Katie is joined by the NFL's first female coach Dr. Jen Welter [21:25] to talk about his illustrious career. Finally, Cari Champion and Jemele Hill [36:05] of the “Flagrant and Funny” podcast stop by to talk about the rise of women’s sports, the Super Bowl Half Time Show, and play “Take It Or Leave It.”
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Katie Nolan
Hey Isabella, did you see the boxer who got punched so hard his toupee flew off of his head? I know, I know, I know. I'm so sad. I know. It was one of those ones that like, they glue it and flips open. Uh huh. And did he have to go and pick it up? He had to like rip it off and then throw. He threw it into the crowd in between rounds. Honestly. Yeah, that's the best way for the toupee to go out, right? It's like you had a good, you're, you're, you're being a good sport about it. You're not immediately mortified, which is, I think, what would happen to me? I think I would just collapse and go like, everybody, close your eyes. Hello and welcome to Casuals live from Radio Row. Well, not live probably, right. It's a podcast. But we are at Radio Row in San Francisco. The sports podcast. It doesn't care what you know. We're just happy that you're here. It's all about Vibes. I'm Katie Nolan. I'm your host. Joined kind of a little bit by our casualties, our production team. We have our sports newbie, Isabella.
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Chris
Hello.
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Katie Nolan
And then our editor, Chris.
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Chris
Hi.
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Katie Nolan
They're on Zoom with me. I'm sitting at a desk in Radio Row looking at the two of you in Zoom. Brady's around here somewhere milling about. It's bedlam, it's mayhem. It's crazy here. It's just like Super Bowl. It's like sports media prom. Isabella. It's like everybody I've ever met in sports is just half looking at me right now. It's just a big room full of everyone I've ever met. We have a pretty packed show to get you guys today. We've got guests coming by. We have Dr. Jen Welter, the first female coach in the NFL is coming by. My friends Jamel hill and Carrie champion who do a podcast together. They're coming by in a little bit. We're gonna get to all of our guest stuff in a little. We'll start up top here by talking about some news. Then we'll do our guests and then we'll go. We're doing three episodes this week as a reminder to our listeners because we just wanted to bring you the very best of everything we could from the madness descending on to San Francisco leading up to the super bowl between my pates and the Seattle Seahawks. So without further ado, I guess we should start with. I should tell you how to reach us. Casuals with katienolanmail.com is our email. If you want to call us. 646-801-0043 on IG and TikTok, we are casualstepodcast. I miss you guys. Isabelle, I miss you.
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Jemele Hill
Oh, my God.
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Katie Nolan
I miss you, too. I'm so bummed that you're not here. And I was just saying I left my labubu. Oh, did we even casuals about the little boo boo? No, that was a fan service thing. Yeah. We got to talk about the boo boo. We opened a PR package. Isabella was like, I think something's been waiting for you in the mailroom for, like, a long time. And I was like, well, I don't know where the mailroom is. So she went and found it and brought it in. It was a PR package from the NBC show stumbled. It's a right. Is that what it's called? It's like a cheerleading show. And I was like, it was like a nice bag. And then it was the nicest PR package I've ever received. So shout out to them if you watch that show, Great. If you don't, maybe try it. That's what you get when you send me a nice bag full of nice things. There was a hydro flask. I brought it with me. I'm drinking out of it.
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Carrie Champion
Oh.
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Katie Nolan
But in it was a labubu. And I was like, I had not gotten a labubu. I didn't. Not, like, out of any sort of. I wasn't abstaining. I just didn't. I don't really know about labubus. I opened this labubu and it made me so happy. It had a gigantic cheer bow on its head. It was so cute. A custom made cheerleading outfit. It. And it like made Isabella and I smile all day Friday. We like literally jumped up and down like little girls. We were like, I'm happy. So I got my first LA boo boo. And then I told Isabella I would bring it with me to the super bowl. And I did. But I left it in my hotel room. Chris, this is what it looks like. Just so you could see it. Yeah.
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Chris
Oh, man, look at that. So cute.
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Katie Nolan
Oh, my God, the Blur. But yeah, it's so cute. It's so cute. I can't even handle it. So anyway, it's on my. It's on my table at the hotel. I'll make sure to bring it tomorrow. Maybe that's why everything went wrong so far today. We've been having technical difficulties. I think it's cuz I. I left the labubu at home. Do we have any viewer listener mail that we want to get to Chris? Anything in the mailbox?
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Chris
We do. We have an email from Shelley first up.
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Katie Nolan
Okay.
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Chris
And Shelly says hi. Casualties. My husband's a lifelong Broncos fan. I've been a Bears fan since Brian Urlacher was drafted out of unm. So outside of Bad Bunny's gender nonconformity, why should we even watch the Super Bowl? What's the storyline that can engage us beyond. Not these guys again. Love you. Mean it. So for any casuals out there who don't have a rooting interest like we do, Katie, as Pates fans, why should people be watching the Super Bowl?
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Katie Nolan
I mean, first of all, I think the gender nonconformity of it all is enough. That would be enough to make me tune in. That's gonna be an amazing contest. Didn't he just win? I mean, concert. Didn't he just win the Grammy? Yes, he did. Bad Bunny shout out. Amazing stays winning. Look, not these guys again. I get it. But it's a completely different. They're completely different guys. Other than the owner of the team, this is a completely different set of guys for New England. So I think the storyline for me there is like, New England, can they do it again? Is this for real? They had a bit of disappointing playoff games so far in this postseason. They haven't really been able to show. Drake Mays arm has not fully been on display. So I think for me at least, the story with the Patriots is like, can they do this again? Can this really be a start of something else happening brewing in New England? Also playing against the Seahawks, Sam Darnold. What a story that is. Sam Darnold, the quarterback who was written off. People were like, that's it. He's done. He's no good. He had in his time with Katie.
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Chris
A bust is a complete three draft pick.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah, formerly. Just the way he was talked about was like, wow, you guys really screwed up with this guy. He's stinks. And then, you know, he leaves. Last year in Minnesota, he has a great year, and then in the playoffs, you know, not so good. And people were like, oh, it was a fluke. And then Seattle takes him for this year, and people are like, oh, maybe Sam Darnold's actually really good. And so it's kind of a redemption story, I think, if you're into that sort of a thing. I'm just so hard to do a podcast when everyone you've ever met is walking around. Sarah Tiana is here. Hi. You look amazing. What were we saying? I just think it's going to be a good game. I think it's going to be a good game. It's also a rematch of a Super bowl that had a crazy ending, so people are going to be really intense about it. Chris, you got anything better than that to sell it?
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Chris
I think the Sam Darnold thing is probably the storyline that most people are going to attach to. I think he hit the nail on the head there. The fact that he's come from such low lows to, you know, being in the position that he has taken the Seahawks in, and the fact that at the start of the season, neither of these teams were in super bowl contention. They were both long, long, long shots to even make the Super Bowl. So the fact that we're gonna get a Super bowl winner who in the preseason, no one deemed to be particularly good, I think in itself is a pretty cool story.
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Katie Nolan
Isabella, what are you gonna do for the Super Bowl? Are you going to a party? I don't know. I don't know anybody who's doing anything, so I'm probably just going to be here. Oh, well, that can be fun. I like watching the super bowl from my house. That's sort of. I was gonna say, I might make some. Some fun apps, you know? Yeah, that's what it's about. Hit up TJ's, go to TJ's. Grab some little appetizers. Toss them in your air fryer, Buy some dips. Yeah, go to town. Wear your PJs. Wear your. I'm gonna wear my Patriots sweatshirt.
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Dr. Jen Welter
That's right.
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Katie Nolan
The super bowl one. Yeah, that's right. Isabella sleeps in a Patriot sweatshirt sometimes. It's a hand me down. From your uncle? Yeah, my uncle. Yeah. It's like a Patriots Eagles Super Bowl, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably the first time when the Patriots won, not the second time when the Patriots lost. We don't have time for any more mail. We can get to it later in the week. Let's get into some sports news. Okay, first up, big biggest news. We told you guys last week, Bill Belichick was not. It was reported that Bill Belichick's not going to make it into the hall of Fame on his first ballot. As many expected he would make it on the first ballot since he is one of the greatest coaches of all time, if not the greatest coach of all time. But there was a lot of discussion about if Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, was going to make it on the first. His first ballot. And we know now it's being reported that he is not also getting into the hall of Fame. So the bad news is that neither the owner of the Patriots nor their head coach from their dominant NFL dynasty are gonna make it in in the first ballot. That's the bad news. The good news is if that he's not in. Because if Kraft got in and Belichick didn't, the conversation this week would be all about how Kraft potentially was blocking Belichick because they didn't want to go in together. And it's just not a conversation I feel like having. It's so dramatic, you know, the drama. I don't even want to suggest. You know, I think obviously those two have their differences, as do all of them with Brady. They've all worked together for so long, and the tensions are so high that I could see if they're not all besties, they're not all hanging out on the weekends, but I think they've got enough professional respect for each other that this wasn't like a blocking somebody from getting in, but shocking that nobody's making it in on their first ballot.
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Chris
It's. It's incredibly strange, but for, you know, for whatever reason, once we found out that Belichick wasn't making it in the first time, it wasn't a surprise, particularly that Bob Kraft didn't make it in, because I think that the same people who had reservations against Bill Belichick had the same reservations against Bob Kraft potentially. So it makes sense to me that neither of them made it in. Also, is it strange that owners get elected into the hall of Fame in the first place. I understand why it's the case, but it is strange.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah. I think in the case of, like, Bob Kraft, I know he fought to keep the team in New England and he built up Gillette. Like, there are reasons you could put an owner.
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Chris
Sure.
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Katie Nolan
In. I think they go in under the contributor. Contributor category, which is. Is interesting. But yeah, I think if you put the owner in before the coach, it's like. And in what ways did he affect the team more and how. For the controversies that you're pinning onto Belichick. So it's. It's. Yeah, it's icky.
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Chris
Yeah, it's as icky as, like, when you got a championship. After a team wins a championship, the first person that holds the trophy is the owner. It's like, this shouldn't be the case.
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Carrie Champion
This is.
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Katie Nolan
And I get it, you guys did fund a lot of this, but at the same time, it's like it just paying the check, you know? All right, Brady's yelling at me, so let's move on. Isabella, did you see Carlos Alcaraz win the Australian Open? Did you wait for that? I did. No, I didn't. I'm so dumb. I, like, didn't realize I got the fucking time wrong. I was like, wait. My mom was like, did you watch it? And I was like, wait, I thought it was this morning. And she was like, no, it already happened. Oh, no. Australia. Chris, that's your fault. Do you want to apologize for that?
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Chris
Sorry, Isabella. That our time zones are so complicated.
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Katie Nolan
Messed me up. But, yeah, congrats to Carlos. Yeah. Youngest. Youngest man ever to complete a career Grand Slam. He beat Novak Djokovic. He's 22 years old. Showed no effects of the cramping that nearly derailed his five and a half hour semifinal when he bet. When he beat Zverev.
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Chris
Zverev.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah. Yeah. Two days before. So congrats to him. I also didn't wake up. I did DVR it. I just never went back and watched it. So it's just in my dvr. So. Isabella, if you want it, I do have it. Okay, yeah, send me the link. And then this one's just a rumor, but I do think we should mention it. Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian might be dating.
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Chris
Crazy.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah, I saw a tick tock of them walking together, I think. I don't know. Yeah, she, Kim Kardashian, 45. Lewis Hamilton, 41, secretly dating. Well, it wouldn't really be a secret, so we're talking about it. Spent a romantic weekend together in the uk. According To a report from the sun, which. Take that with a grain of salt, you know, apparently she left LA on Saturday in her private jet and met up with the F1 driver to stay at the Estelle Manor, a luxury country club in the Cotswolds, which you have to say with a British accent. You can't say the Cotswolds. I don't think it works the same as the Cotswolds. So that's a new power couple.
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Chris
It's gonna be an interesting year for. For Hamilton if history's, you know, to be repeated.
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Katie Nolan
Okay, so what Chris is alluding to there is the Kardashian curse, which I thought we had all moved on from, but I guess is still maybe alive and well, which I think Kendall Jenner mentioned in her. Was it fanduel ad that she did or maybe. I don't know. I watched her do. She went on Fallon to promote her fanduel ad and did, like, a quote, unquote, FaceTime with Tom Brady. And they, like, I hated it. The whole thing felt so. It felt like Brady was like, oh, I'm not reading a script. But he was absolutely reading a script, and I did not. I did not like it. Okay, a couple other pieces of news. Oh, first, really quickly, did you guys see this Bower thing? Isabella, did you see this on social media at all? There's this girl who posts on social media about Bauer. She, like, loves. It's a hockey company. They make hockey equipment. She's a goalie, and she's always using that equipment, posting about it. She posted a video about their new catalog showing it and being like, I can't wait for this, and I can't basically hyping up their products. Bauer sends her a DM on social media and said, hey, we love your content and would love to partner with you. What's a good email to reach out to? She sends them her email. She's like, oh, my God, I'm freaking out. Sends them her email, and then they email her and they say, hi, Cece, and desist. Take that down. We have copyright over our. Our. Our. What's it called? Our circular or whatever is copyrighted. That's our copyright material. Take that down or we'll pursue legal action against you. What the. Promoting it.
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Carrie Champion
Yes.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Katie Nolan
With passion. As an actual, like, customer of theirs. So now the entire Internet is, like, in Bowers comments being like, boom, I'll never buy this. I don't hockey. And I'm telling everybody, I know that you suck. It's like the biggest PR Error. I've ever seen sending somebody a message that's like, hey, we want to partner with you. What's your email? And then sending an email that's like, don't ever talk about us again is crazy.
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Chris
Grassroots marketing, like, that is the most successful form of marketing. What are you doing? It cost $0, right?
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Katie Nolan
Like, you should want to give her money for the amount she was hyping up. And she showed all this stuff that she's bought. And hockey equipment is not cheap. It's why I stopped playing hockey. My parents were like, we can't afford both of you to play this. And he's good and you aren't. So you don't get to play. And this girl is spending her own money. I just thought that was absolutely crazy. It's like, sports adjacent. But yeah, you should go to Bowers TikTok and look in their comments. It's. They're going through it at the moment. Okay. So also, Bad Bunny. We got a Bad Bunny update. The Grammys happened. Snuck up on me. I did not realize they were happening until the day of. I was like, oh, shoot, those are tonight. And I half watched him. And Bad Bunny won two Grammys. Yeah. One being album of the year. I know.
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Jemele Hill
Shout out.
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Katie Nolan
Shout out this guy that. No one. No one cares about that. No one's ever heard of this American. God, I can't believe how many people are still running back. Did you see that story in the Athletic of the anonymous quotes of various NFL players talking about the Bad Bunny halftime show? And they were like, I just think we could have done somebody American.
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Carrie Champion
Really? Please.
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Katie Nolan
Puerto Rico is America. I don't know how many more times I have to say that. And if you have an exception to that, if you're taking an exception to that, sit with that for a little. Because that. That isn't. You're not. Right. That is something you need to unpack potentially in therapy. But anyway, Turning Point usa, who was outraged at the idea of Bad Bunny doing the halftime show and have been saying they're going to have their own counter programming halftime show. The All American halftime Show. Pause for vomit. A celebration of faith, family, and freedom. Because that's what I'm looking for in my halftime show. I want us to celebrate faith. I want us to celebrate family and celebrate freedom. Not listen to music and gym out in between halves of a football game. No, no. It must be about faith in family and freedom. Their counter programming. We've been checking in to see who they're gonna book for this. Really thought Nicki Minaj. I really did too. Especially after proclaiming herself as his number one fan. I was like, she's definitely gonna be the. I thought for sure that was her doing press for the halftime show. Why else would she be out there doing all that? Turns out it was just for love of the game. Because she has not been booked. They are booking. This is gonna be on toilet paper. USA's social platforms, as well as Daily Wire plus TBN and Real America's Voice. And OANN, you know all this stuff. Your grandparents watch Kid Rock in the year of our Lord 2026. That's your headliner. Kid Rock. I think Adult Rock at this point, I don't think he can. You know, the guy who cosplays as poor will be joined by country artists Brantley Gilbert, Lee Brice. Oh My fave. And Gabby Barrett.
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Chris
All those names certainly sound like country artists.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah. Isn't Kash Patel, like, dating a country singer? You couldn't get her. You couldn't get Nicki Minaj. You couldn't.
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Carrie Champion
Yeah.
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Katie Nolan
Kevin Hart. I don't know. Somebody to say yes to everything. No physical location given, no way to buy tickets or attend in person. Because remember they were saying for a while they were gonna put this on in like a stadium. Sounds like it's gonna be probably pre taped, but that's your counter programming. So if you're more fired up about that than a, you know, 12, 13 minute performance from Bad Bunny. Congrats. I guess.
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Jemele Hill
Big day for you.
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Chris
By the time you find those channels, wherever you watch television, it's gonna be over. The second half of the football game is going to be started because there's no way I know where any of these channels are located.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah. OANN1America News Network. I hate that I know that. Okay, one last thing. A sad update. There was a figure skater in the Olympics who dance dresses as a minion and he skates to Minions music. And because of. Because of copyright, they just came out and said that his short program, he will not be able to skate to Minions because of licensing. So it's been unapproved and he has to change his music. And I just feel like, haven't we lost enough as sports fans? Haven't we been through enough? Let us have our little minion figure skater. Why are you taking that from us? Isn't NBC Universal the Minions? Aren't they NBC? So shouldn't this be Fix it. I'm putting out a call to NBC and all the powers that be. Fix it. We want to see them. We want Minions. Figure skating. I think we can all agree. Sign our go to change.org and sign our petition that Chris is going to link in. Bio.
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Chris
All the people who are petitioning for Sean McDermott to get his job back. Now you've got to jump on this new cause for us.
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Katie Nolan
Yes, please. And then, Isabella, did you see Tom Brady's posting on Instagram? Like a. Like a girl in his 20s? He posted this picture of him laying on the couch. Oh, what the fuck is that? And he said. He said, so this is what you do on a Sunday. Oh, my God. Then he posted another one and said, okay, major move from the couch, back to bed.
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Carrie Champion
Oh, my God.
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Katie Nolan
What the fuck is that? What is that? Why is he trying to cuddle with me? I don't. I don't know. It's like, sir, please back up. What is this? Why are you posting like this? I don't know, man. Fascinating. He also did you see? He said he's neutral about the super bowl this year. He's not picking because boring. Buddy.
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Jemele Hill
Hello.
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Katie Nolan
Pick the Patriots. Okay? Plenty of other stuff to talk about, and we'll get to it later in the week, but right now we gotta take a break and then get to our guests. Big guests today. The female energy is Strong. We have Dr. Jen Welter, the first female NFL coach. She's also the. The inaugural inductee into the Women's Football hall of Fame. She comes by, we chat about some stuff. And then we also have my friends, my former co workers at espn, Carrie Champion and Jemele Hill. They have launched a new podcast called Flagrant and Funny. So they will join us as well as Dr. Jen Welter from Radio Row in San Francisco for Super Bowl 60 right after this break. Hey, I don't know what it is about the world now, but finding clothes that look good and actually also feel good is such a challenge. And that is where Vuori comes in. They make incredibly versatile, insanely comfortable clothes that move with you from lounging at home to layering up for a chilly commute. It's effortless, elevated style that you will actually want to live in. The performance jogger and Halo essential wide leg pant are made with Vuori's signature Dream knit fabric. It is their softest premium stretch material. Lightweight, it's moisture wicking, and it's effortless to wear anywhere. Add the Restore oversized hoodie for an easy, pulled together look. I wore my Restore oversized hoodie to work the other day, and everybody was like, I love that hoodie. It's an investment in your happiness for our listeners. They're offering 20% off of your first purchase, so get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet@vuori.com Casuals v u o r I.com Casuals exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. Have you ever wished you could make something happen just by thinking about it? Well, WIX may have just answered your prayers. Wix's new Harmony editor makes it so easy to create a website exactly how you imagined it that it's almost like you're just thinking out loud. Experience the New Way to Create Websites WIX Harmony is a hybrid website editor that offers the perfect blend of AI and precise drag and drop tools, introducing the world to the next generation of website creation. Switch back and forth between AI prompts and hands on editing to build the exact website you want the way you want. WIX Harmony is packed with some of the coolest, most useful AI features and agents built specifically for small businesses including arri, an AI agent that helps you create your website and take care of business so you don't burn out and rest easy knowing that your WIX site is backed by 99.99 uptime and enterprise grade security. No add ons required. Check it out@wix.com Harmony this show is sponsored by Liquid IV. All day events like Big Game Days aren't just about the opening moments. They require superior hydration from start to finish. Just one stick and 16 ounces of water hydrates better than water alone. It's powered live Hydra science, an optimized ratio of electrolytes, essential vitamins and clinically tested nutrients that turn ordinary water into extraordinary hydration. I like knowing that Liquid IV can help me boost my hydration better than water alone. It's super easy to keep a packet or three in my purse so it's with me wherever I go. And with sugar free flavors like strawberry watermelon and rainbow sherbet, I know I will actually drink and hydrate and be ready to go and tackle the day. Show up start to finish with hydration from Liquid iv. Hydration Multiplier Sugar Free Tear Pour live more go to liquidiv.com and get 20% off your first order with Casuals at checkout. That's 20% off your first order using code CASUITS@LiquIDIV.com Everyone deserves to be connected.
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Katie Nolan
All right, joining us now, a legend, an absolute living legend, Dr. Jen Welter, the first female NFL coach. Also the first inductee into the Women's Football hall of Fame. Correct?
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Dr. Jen Welter
Yep. One of those. First female coach in mad to shut up.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah, I'm not good. I am no good at Madden. Do you play Madden?
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Dr. Jen Welter
I play myself in Madden.
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Katie Nolan
Yeah.
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Dr. Jen Welter
I was team shut down. If they can't score, they can't win. We had an atrocious offense, but our defense was off the charts.
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Chris
Good.
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Dr. Jen Welter
Kind of like. Well, could be a little Seahawks.
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Katie Nolan
Yes. You know, thank you for being here and for doing this. You're an absolute trailblazer in the industry. I'm curious to know, you know, when you're a first at something, there's a lot of people get very excited, like happy and good. But I'm sure there's a side of it that's a little difficult. What was your experience like as the first NFL female coach?
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Dr. Jen Welter
I would say, first of all, when you're a first, absolutely no one is neutral because it's like, oh, my God, you're the best thing for womanhood. And then you're the death of the patriarchy all in one package.
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Katie Nolan
Right. It's a lot of pressure.
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Jemele Hill
Right.
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Dr. Jen Welter
So it's black and white. There's no gray about you. Everyone has something to say. But what I will say is, internally at the Cardinals, we had this like, bubble of a world where the guys were really excited, they were proud to be be a part of history. And I had the opportunity to work with Bruce Arians, who is just the coolest guy on the face of the planet. And he loved that. I had a PhD in sports psychology, so it wasn't hierarchical with Bruce, which I really respect. He always wants the opinions and then he makes the final decision. But it's never like you're an underling. I don't want to hear what you say. Like, he really, he really tunes in. And I think that that was a little bit of my specialty sauce because I had played, coached, and obviously had.
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Katie Nolan
A PhD as well from Boston College.
- [27:40]
Dr. Jen Welter
Well, my undergrad was from Boston College.
- [27:42]
Carrie Champion
You were.
- [27:42]
Dr. Jen Welter
You're right, though.
- [27:43]
Katie Nolan
Damn.
- [27:43]
Dr. Jen Welter
BC undergrad.
- [27:44]
Katie Nolan
I just know you as BC legend.
- [27:45]
Dr. Jen Welter
Yes, BC legend. Me and Sudie are The two shortest and best football players of all time out of Boston College. Yep. We will take the shortest.
- [27:53]
Katie Nolan
Where'd you get your grad, Where'd you go to grad school?
- [27:55]
Dr. Jen Welter
Capella University.
- [27:56]
Katie Nolan
Aha.
- [27:57]
Dr. Jen Welter
Yes. Because not everybody had sports psychology and that's what I wanted.
- [28:01]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. And that's what you're very good at.
- [28:02]
Dr. Jen Welter
Yes.
- [28:03]
Katie Nolan
Now let me ask you this, a question I think a lot of our listeners would want the answer to. How do you get a bunch of men to listen to you?
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Dr. Jen Welter
I think it's opposite of what most people think. I always said I couldn't yell loud enough to force anybody to listen, but anybody could lean into a whisper. So taking the one on one human centric approach of like, in a commodity driven environment like the NFL.
- [28:27]
Katie Nolan
Right.
- [28:27]
Dr. Jen Welter
We know they've been weighed, measured, tied and cut. I think it's the heart. I think it's the heart that cuts through and really putting relationships first. And I always said this, like as a coach and as a person, I always have a minute. Right. We give this, we tap on the head when you need a moment in football, in life, we need a minute too. And trust me, if somebody is slipping from one day to the next on performance, the difference isn't unless they're injured. The difference isn't the ability to play football. It's that your mind is somewhere else. So to notice it, notice the human. Once they'll tell you about your wife, your life, your kids, it's really easy to tell them. When the line slants that way you've got to squeeze and then take the outside shoulder of the quarterback, which I'm.
- [29:09]
Katie Nolan
Always trying to tell them. I mean, you should always tell men about that. We currently have 15 female coaches in the NFL. I'm curious to know if that's like a society between you all, if like you keep in touch with any women that are trying to break into this industry and also how you feel like the NFL is doing in terms of women and involving them in the operations.
- [29:30]
Dr. Jen Welter
You know, I think I would love to say that I was a patient person, but that's a virtue I've never been accused of. But progress is good and it's great to see more people evolving with the sport. And I think with the rise of flag football being an Olympic sport and also now at the collegiate level, you'll get to see that these girls grow up football. And what that means is they'll have the fluidity of expertise that will give them more and more opportunities. So I think while you've seen Like, a relatively level occurrence of women coaches. With that, you're gonna see an exponential growth, but it's gonna take a few years.
- [30:09]
Katie Nolan
So we're a few years out, but it's coming.
- [30:11]
Dr. Jen Welter
It's coming.
- [30:12]
Katie Nolan
It just sometimes feels like we've taken steps back in certain ways when it comes to women's stuff in the world. So it's good to know. You do feel like we're pushing it. There's progress being made in the NFL.
- [30:21]
Dr. Jen Welter
I do. I think there's progress everywhere. But I think what's important is that it's not forced progress. We don't want numbers just for numbers. We want humans who are great at what they do and that they're distinctly different and great in how they do it. Right. My path to coaching in the NFL was not one I ever got to set out as a goal that didn't exist. But now girls can see it, and they know that they can be it, and they can take the same steps that the guys did. Right. You and your own career. Like, there weren't a lot of women that you got to look at and say, I'm gonna do that. And I love how you did it. For example, I mean, you use a lot of humor, which is why I sold. I said, when I got here, I was like, oh, my God. She's like my sister from another mission. I literally had people be like, you guys are, like, best friends. Right? And I'm like, we can be.
- [31:11]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, we are. It's fine. We are.
- [31:12]
Dr. Jen Welter
It's fine. But now you're setting a standard in a way that wasn't there before. And I'd like to say that that's what. That's where the coaching pipeline is. It's just a few years back.
- [31:22]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. Tell me this. If a young woman is listening to this and she wants to get into football in that way, where do you recommend she start? What are, like, some of the paths to getting to where you got to.
- [31:34]
Dr. Jen Welter
Yeah. I would say for her right now, play the game. Right. Like, the. The big thing that they used to say about women who were trying to coach as well. She never played well, bro. I played.
- [31:46]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [31:46]
Dr. Jen Welter
First of all, like, I mean, I have four Super Bowls, two gold medals, and I played against men. So you're playing yourself if you think I didn't play. But the fluidity of expertise, of just the subtlety of. Of seeing it through a player's eyes and then taking it to a coaching role is something that can help you. It's not the only way. Right. We've seen great football coaches who never played, but it is something that's inarguably an advantage. Right. So play it to the level that you can and then also look at ways that you can develop greatness. So you have your own special sauce. For me, I was like, if I can take my, my experience as a player and marry it with a PhD in sports psychology, then I'll always be a unique value proposition to the sport. And if you can find a way to be unique, special and uniquely qualified, you'll always have a road to do something great in your life. And if it's football, make it football. But don't go half in. Don't say, I'm just going to be here and throw the girl card. Like, throw that down and be like, it's expertise that happens to come in the spirit package.
- [32:51]
Carrie Champion
That's right.
- [32:51]
Katie Nolan
Now I. You're defensive minded. Everybody's talking about the Seahawks defense, but I do feel like the Patriots defense isn't getting enough love. If you had to say something nice about them, could you. For me?
- [33:03]
Dr. Jen Welter
Oh, I could say a lot. And for them, you know, it's going to be a really like, I was an edge rusher, I was an ex, an outside gal.
- [33:10]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [33:11]
Dr. Jen Welter
So, you know, the Seahawks use a lot of play action, so we gotta, we gotta keep everything on the edge inside. And then you're going to take away their number one weapon. Right.
- [33:21]
Katie Nolan
You.
- [33:21]
Dr. Jen Welter
The hard thing about the Patriots, the Patriots going to be really on interesting on offense, which is actually where I've been looking a lot. But I think for their defense. Right. For the Patriots, like you want to contain. Okay. So keep them in the pocket, don't let them get outside. So be very disciplined on your pass rush and if you can force that. So force from the edges and make him beat you here year, they're going to struggle. So the Patriots have a lot of things. And you know, you've got, you've got Mike Vrabel.
- [33:49]
Katie Nolan
I know.
- [33:50]
Dr. Jen Welter
And I am a big Mike Brable fan.
- [33:53]
Katie Nolan
Me too, girl.
- [33:53]
Dr. Jen Welter
I think he's bringing the Patriots back to sexy. But let's go offense on Patriots.
- [33:58]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [33:58]
Dr. Jen Welter
Okay. Let's go offense.
- [33:59]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [33:59]
Dr. Jen Welter
They use a lot of six linemen, huh? Six offensive linemen. Right. Now, why can you do that as the Patriots? Because you actually have a mobile threat quarterback.
- [34:10]
Chris
Yeah.
- [34:10]
Dr. Jen Welter
So that mobile threat quarterback basically takes one of the defenders out of the pass game, right?
- [34:16]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [34:16]
Dr. Jen Welter
And now when we're matching up and we're personnel matching as a defense, what do I look at? I Look at. Hey, ladies, here's a cheat code for you. Get it right. Keep it tight. Okay, so when I say rt, that's the personnel package. So it's running backs, tight ends. So if we're in 22, what do we have? Two running backs, two tight. Right. So the defense is going to match that personnel. They're going to pull people. Okay. We've got this to match. Well, when you pull another lineman, they don't necessarily have a match for that. Okay. So what's going to be interesting is how does Seattle adjust to the personnel packages used by the patriots? And Josh McDaniels is one of those, one of the best at those I've heard. He is legendary. Drawing it up in the dirt, making it look different. So Seattle is going to have to do something different on their defense to be able to go with a package look that includes six linemen as well as their use of multiple backs and multiple tight ends.
- [35:15]
Katie Nolan
Who is going to win?
- [35:18]
Dr. Jen Welter
I don't know if I can call the win right now. There's an expertise and an experience factor that the Patriots have that isn't as sexy to jump right out of you. Right. Everybody's like, with love the Seahawks. They're young and hungry. I love that. I hate that from the perspective of a coach in. Do they know how to manage the energy from this week?
- [35:36]
Katie Nolan
Right.
- [35:37]
Jemele Hill
Right.
- [35:37]
Dr. Jen Welter
Like, think about Patriots, Falcons. Okay. That was a case.
- [35:42]
Katie Nolan
I think about it all the time.
- [35:44]
Dr. Jen Welter
If that was the case, they kind of. They spent all their energy a little bit early and the experienced team was able to beat them through the longevity. So you have a Vrabel in there. You have a McDaniel. You have that experience on the Patriots side. I agree. They're not as sexy off the rip. Right. From what the. From what the Seahawks have been able to do. But they. They are young and hot. So it's really going to depend on one. How do they adjust to what the Patriots are doing? Because it doesn't look sexy. Can they keep themselves with their mindset on the main thing? Right. This whole sexy of San Francisco is very distracting.
- [36:21]
Katie Nolan
Yes.
- [36:21]
Dr. Jen Welter
We've seen. What was it the guy who got on a plane and he left the night before a game that was legendary. Right. Like, so there's a lot of pressure around it. So I'm not going to call the win, but what I am going to call is watch the Patriots early, see what they do personnel package and how the Seahawks respond, because that's different. And can we contain the run on the quarterbacks? I Want the Seahawks to put big pressure up the middle because I'm not. I'm not worried about the run game on the outside from their quarterback, but they got to keep him in there. They can't let him get beat on their left legs. And then can the Seahawks maintain that energy? They played one of the best games I've seen a long time against Rams. Right.
- [37:00]
Katie Nolan
What a game.
- [37:01]
Dr. Jen Welter
But you still do have Darnold. And here's the other thing. Remember when Darnold said he was seeing ghosts years ago?
- [37:10]
Katie Nolan
Yes.
- [37:11]
Dr. Jen Welter
And that would be the Patriots defense. So if I'm brable, I'm running that tape back.
- [37:17]
Katie Nolan
Right.
- [37:17]
Dr. Jen Welter
And I'm doing a lot of. Of things in the backfield to make him have flashbacks to having seen ghosts. That's what you're going to want to watch.
- [37:25]
Katie Nolan
Make him see ghosts of those ghosts.
- [37:27]
Dr. Jen Welter
That's right. Yeah, that's right.
- [37:28]
Katie Nolan
It sounds like you're saying the Patriots are going to win. I don't know. I'm just like, kind of taking what you're saying, and I'm hearing that you're saying the Patriots are going to win. So that's One endorsement from Dr. Jen Walter. Tell me what you're doing with Praxis AI.
- [37:39]
Dr. Jen Welter
So Praxis AI is a really fun thing. I mean, everybody's talking AI right now.
- [37:43]
Katie Nolan
Everything's AI.
- [37:44]
Dr. Jen Welter
And let me. Let me. Let me ask you, because you are a lady who does a lot of things.
- [37:48]
Katie Nolan
I do.
- [37:49]
Dr. Jen Welter
Do you ever. Do you ever feel like you have more expertise than time?
- [37:54]
Katie Nolan
Sometimes.
- [37:55]
Jemele Hill
Yeah.
- [37:55]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. Certainly don't ever have time. I have no time.
- [37:58]
Dr. Jen Welter
You have no time?
- [37:59]
Katie Nolan
No time. Sometimes no expertise as well, but mostly no time.
- [38:02]
Dr. Jen Welter
Okay. So do you ever feel like you have more humor than time?
- [38:05]
Katie Nolan
Yes.
- [38:05]
Dr. Jen Welter
Okay. So we're aligned in that I have a lot of jokes in the back pocket that don't get to see the light of air because I just run out of time.
- [38:13]
Katie Nolan
Exactly.
- [38:13]
Dr. Jen Welter
And so what Praxis AI allows me to do is to be all things to all people because I have a digital twin.
- [38:19]
Katie Nolan
A digital twin.
- [38:20]
Dr. Jen Welter
You're going to have a digital Coach Gen AI who could spit all this game because we just don't have enough time. And I want to do more things and be around more people. And so in a protected area. Right. Like, not just the. The. The big bad world of AI where they can steal all my stuff. So I have a digital twin that essentially has like a digital vault. It's like a digital bubble. But if people want to interact with Coach Gen AI, I can Take what? I've developed that time, expertise, all of that stuff, put it into Coach Gen AI and be able to have exponential impact.
- [38:55]
Katie Nolan
Incredible. It just makes you twice as.
- [38:58]
Dr. Jen Welter
I think we need to get you a digital twin, and our digital twins will be best friends.
- [39:02]
Katie Nolan
Okay, wait. Now I'm back in. Can they be like the Sims? Can we have, like, a digital house where we digital live together and we digital throw parties?
- [39:08]
Dr. Jen Welter
We could have a digital podcast, too. Our digital twins could have a digital podcast.
- [39:12]
Katie Nolan
Now I'm sold.
- [39:13]
Dr. Jen Welter
Because, Katie, like I said, when I saw you on here, I was like. She's like my dream ho.
- [39:19]
Katie Nolan
How have we never met before?
- [39:20]
Dr. Jen Welter
I don't know, but I was seriously, girl crushing.
- [39:23]
Katie Nolan
I'm girl crushing. You have done so much for women in sports. Like, there's just no. We can do everything we want to, right up until it's like, I never played the game. All those criticisms, and you've been out here, like, on the front lines proving that wrong. I could not be more grateful for what you do. I couldn't do it, but I couldn't be more grateful that you exist and that you fought these. I mean, this girl's a running back that's in a men's league. It's crazy. You've been out here doing it the.
- [39:49]
Dr. Jen Welter
First and still only to do it. I think we forget that sometimes, though. I think being a first is really hard because, like, you blaze the trail, and then when people get to skippity doo dah through the trail later, they're like, oh, what a pretty trail. And then we talk about it and we forget that somebody had to clear those sometimes. So, you know, I lovingly say that that one year playing in men's pro football aged me dog years. That was like seven. Getting hit by them every day, I can imagine. But those hits are certainly paying off in the dividends of other women having success.
- [40:20]
Katie Nolan
Yes, you did it, and thank you for doing it. My new best friend, Dr. Jen Welter, on behalf of Practice AI, thank you so much for coming by. It's so nice to meet you and to begin our lifelong friendship.
- [40:30]
Dr. Jen Welter
Yes, and our digital twins will be besties.
- [40:32]
Katie Nolan
Besties. Enjoy the rest of your Super Bowl. I will go Pats. Yeah. Joining me now, joining casuals now, Carrie Champion and Jemele Hill. Dear friends, dear friends of mine, who I'm so happy to see.
- [40:42]
Carrie Champion
Thanks for having us.
- [40:43]
Katie Nolan
Have a new podcast, flagrant and funny. Premiere January 26, 2027. So recently, like yesterday. Like yesterday, where you debate the buzziest topics of the day. In women's sports culture and beyond. Three days a week.
- [40:57]
Jemele Hill
Ah, the struggle is real.
- [40:59]
Katie Nolan
That's a big bite.
- [41:00]
Carrie Champion
Yeah.
- [41:00]
Katie Nolan
We do two days a week here, and I'm like, this is a lot of work.
- [41:03]
Carrie Champion
It's a lot of work.
- [41:04]
Katie Nolan
Three days a week.
- [41:05]
Carrie Champion
That's the new game.
- [41:06]
Katie Nolan
I'm happy to see you guys together. Yeah. I just. This is one of my favorite pairings. What made you want to start this podcast?
- [41:13]
Carrie Champion
Jamel and I love working together. We're not gonna lie like it is. It's the easiest thing we can ever do. And we've done it before. We've done it several times before.
- [41:22]
Jemele Hill
Maybe this time it'll stick.
- [41:23]
Carrie Champion
Maybe this time it'll stick. We start the episode saying, we've done this before. Maybe it'll last. And so we figured, like, why not take a time? We're different people, clearly, from when we first started working together to who we are now. We evolved. There's a lot of things that we'd like to talk about, I think. One thing I don't like, I feel like women, now that they're getting all of this attention, I don't feel. I don't like the narrative around women's sports for people who've never watched women's sports or aren't women. How about that? And so I think we were like, why not do what we do best, Talk a little ish, have a little fun, and honestly let these ladies know that we see them, you know?
- [42:00]
Jemele Hill
Yeah. I mean, it. It is. I guess maybe we over relate being in this industry so we understand what it's like to be held to double standards, the scrutiny, all those wonderful things that come along with being a woman in the sports space. But I listen. I know some people have horror stories about working with their friends and working with really good friends.
- [42:19]
Carrie Champion
Tell them your horror story. Tell them that one time.
- [42:22]
Chris
What?
- [42:22]
Jemele Hill
What?
- [42:23]
Carrie Champion
When I stabbed you? Go ahead, tell them.
- [42:24]
Jemele Hill
I mean, the wound, I'm still recovering, but that's okay. I know she did it out of love. If you've ever known a Gemini, you know, that's what they. They do, right?
- [42:30]
Katie Nolan
Gemini. That makes a lot of sense to me.
- [42:32]
Carrie Champion
That adds up for me that they.
- [42:35]
Jemele Hill
Will blow their car and be over it five minutes later. Be like, let's go get a drink. I'm like, but why are you being.
- [42:39]
Katie Nolan
So mad at me?
- [42:40]
Carrie Champion
So, like, why are you.
- [42:42]
Katie Nolan
Hello.
- [42:42]
Carrie Champion
Hello. No, seriously, I can only say mad for five minutes, right? It's like, beautiful.
- [42:46]
Katie Nolan
Why did you stab her?
- [42:48]
Carrie Champion
Well, I didn't really stab her. It's like these things we like to say, but I will stab her if it brings ratings and more people to watch the show.
- [42:56]
Katie Nolan
Brady has a knife. I do think we could get that up here on stage.
- [42:59]
Carrie Champion
Whatever is needed, you get it done.
- [43:01]
Katie Nolan
Stab each other if you want.
- [43:03]
Jemele Hill
Can we get this a couple weeks and see where our ratings are?
- [43:05]
Katie Nolan
Pleased? All right, so let's talk about some of the big stuff going on in women's sports. Trinity Rodman signing a deal. Staying in the NWSL is great.
- [43:14]
Carrie Champion
Right?
- [43:14]
Katie Nolan
We're happy about that.
- [43:15]
Carrie Champion
I love her. I love her entire spirit. I love her energy. I love that she's very. She's all of the things that I wish certain generations ahead of her. Her were. Does that make sense to you?
- [43:24]
Jemele Hill
It does.
- [43:25]
Carrie Champion
Like the generation behind us. Not that weird because Jamal's like 88.
- [43:28]
Jemele Hill
I am 88 and a half.
- [43:30]
Carrie Champion
They had. They had horse and buggy when she was around.
- [43:33]
Jemele Hill
I churned my own milk.
- [43:34]
Carrie Champion
She turned her. I wouldn't. Got my 40 something. Yes, exactly. Exactly.
- [43:39]
Katie Nolan
Sure, sure, Katie.
- [43:40]
Jemele Hill
We'll go with that. We'll go with that.
- [43:43]
Carrie Champion
I used to get the water from the well. No. My point being is that there is, I think. And it has a lot to do to me in il. I think the way these. These. These girls are being treated. These ladies are being treated in college. They come in within a certain entitle. Entitlement that I appreciate. Appreciate.
- [43:55]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [43:55]
Carrie Champion
And. And it holds these leagues that have been doing business as usual to a different standard forces them to rise to the occasion. And I love that because for so long. You know how it is. We have to apologize for being.
- [44:07]
Katie Nolan
Sorry.
- [44:08]
Carrie Champion
Sorry, My bad. Do you think? And I'd like a little. A dollar or two, please. Sorry. I know what I'm doing. How do I make you feel comfortable?
- [44:17]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're. This next generation is like, run me my money.
- [44:22]
Jemele Hill
Run me my money. They also are more comfortable in their personality. The complications of their personality. They're comfortable being a hardcore competitor.
- [44:32]
Carrie Champion
Angel Reese.
- [44:32]
Jemele Hill
Not. Yes, they're comfortable. Not always being nice. They're comfortable in these spaces of just accepting their vulnerabilities. And I love it. And Trinity Rodman is definitely Angel Reese because I'm.
- [44:44]
Katie Nolan
I'm interested in the way people react. I just feel like her name comes up in a lot of ways that I'm like. And why is she in this? Why are we talking about her here? How do you feel? How do you see that storyline progressing? I just feel like everyone's so nasty to her in ways I don't feel she's earned.
- [45:05]
Jemele Hill
Well, here's the thing. She is unapologetic about everything that she does, and a lot of people do not appreciate unapologetic women, especially unapologetic black women. The Met Gala, all these other opportunities. Like, she's clearly figured out the branding secret for her, and I think that's wonderful, and I think it's a good blueprint in there for other women that they can adopt from, even though they may not be exactly like her, but she's showing. Like, this is how you can show up in multiple spaces and still remain authentically who you are. The only. The. The part where I will say that I just want her to always keep the main thing. The main thing. The main thing that got you there was basketball. And that's not. I'm not one of these people who, every time they see her pop out at a basketball game, they're like, why is she working on her jump shot? It's like, chill out. Relax. What I would say is that I want to. I hope that in the back of her mind, she's also thinking, I can be one of the greatest that can do what I do. Like, she's a phenomenal reminder. Like, I don't know that we've ever seen the type of rebounding ability that she has in the WNBA this early on. It's just. It's just a gift with her.
- [46:13]
Carrie Champion
Well, it's also. So what you're saying is, you know what. How great do you really want to be?
- [46:18]
Jemele Hill
Exactly.
- [46:19]
Carrie Champion
And I think that's a question that she should ask herself. And she. If she wants to be the greatest, then she needs to be very clear about. I want to be the greatest. I love the Victoria's Secrets. I love all of the. I love the money. I love, love. I have a different person. I'm flying private. I love it. Do it. Love it. I also want you to ask yourself, how great do I want to be? Because that requires a different type of mentality, a different focus, a different. A different relationship with the media. And I'm not saying it's just a kiss. The media is asked, but it requires you to do something that you've watched all the other greats do. I was sitting here as you were talking about that great question, and I'm thinking, when did Lebron start not keeping the main thing that. The main thing. When did Shaq stop keeping the main thing? The main thing? Did Kobe ever.
- [47:03]
Jemele Hill
Kobe always.
- [47:05]
Katie Nolan
And.
- [47:06]
Carrie Champion
And I'm comparing them to athletes that I know are Amazing.
- [47:08]
Jemele Hill
Serena Williams, right?
- [47:09]
Carrie Champion
Serena Williams always kept the main thing. The main thing. Venus kept the main thing. The main thing. And I don't want you to like I'm not the V. The men versus but I'm just talking about being great because the thing is women aren't allowed just to be seen as athletes. And if I'm going to treat you like an athlete, I'm not going to take in that. That woman aspect of it. The reason why people have such a strong reaction to her and I just go back to the. I go back to college. I don't. I. We are living in a particularly polarizing time. The. The visual imagery of a big tall black girl yelling at what appeared to be in people's eyes who aren't familiar with sport. A much more demure, meek white woman made people uncomfortable. That's why she gets such a strong reaction because she had zero problems trash talking. Doing what her. Her what I think my opinion a God given right when you win. So when the Pats win, trust me, you're the trash talk that you will partake in will be a legendary.
- [48:04]
Katie Nolan
It will be the Pats win. I liked when.
- [48:06]
Carrie Champion
Yeah because you know I told you I'm going with them. I'm going for them too.
- [48:09]
Jemele Hill
Shout out to Tom going with Botox Brady.
- [48:12]
Carrie Champion
What Botox Brady do to you?
- [48:14]
Dr. Jen Welter
Listen, I love it.
- [48:14]
Katie Nolan
Botox Brady has said that he is. Is neutral in this because you know his next head is going to. Is the offensive.
- [48:21]
Jemele Hill
But you know that's kind of weak though.
- [48:23]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, it was incredibly.
- [48:24]
Jemele Hill
He won 5011 championships with the.
- [48:26]
Carrie Champion
How many is that?
- [48:27]
Jemele Hill
50, 11, 50 11. You run 5011 championships. They got a statue of you. My man at Foxborough.
- [48:35]
Carrie Champion
Somebody told him to say that. Come on.
- [48:39]
Katie Nolan
The proportions are wrong.
- [48:41]
Carrie Champion
Does it look like Dwayne's statue? They never get those.
- [48:42]
Katie Nolan
They never get. Has his fist up right and it just feels like his head. It's. I can't remember now. It's either too small or too big.
- [48:48]
Jemele Hill
It's like not proportionally Botox Brady or correct.
- [48:51]
Katie Nolan
I don't know.
- [48:52]
Carrie Champion
You. You keep. I don't know you keep talking about him like that.
- [48:55]
Jemele Hill
I think it's so funny.
- [48:56]
Carrie Champion
Excuse me. Wants to Brad tell me his name.
- [48:59]
Katie Nolan
Brady.
- [48:59]
Carrie Champion
Brady. Can I have. Can I have that knife she keeps talking about?
- [49:02]
Jemele Hill
You know what? You know what?
- [49:03]
Carrie Champion
You don't.
- [49:03]
Katie Nolan
Okay, Brad, can we get that knife?
- [49:07]
Carrie Champion
My bad Brady.
- [49:09]
Katie Nolan
I'm enjoying bad Bunny halftime. You excited?
- [49:12]
Jemele Hill
Oh, super excited.
- [49:13]
Carrie Champion
It's gonna be good.
- [49:13]
Jemele Hill
He's gonna piss off so many people and that's why I love just by.
- [49:17]
Katie Nolan
Showing up and dancing. I cannot believe.
- [49:20]
Jemele Hill
Speak a little Spanish. And they about to lose it and.
- [49:22]
Katie Nolan
I'm here for it. I don't know a single Bad Bunny song. I've probably heard it.
- [49:26]
Jemele Hill
You've heard it?
- [49:26]
Katie Nolan
I've probably heard it.
- [49:27]
Jemele Hill
You've definitely heard it.
- [49:27]
Katie Nolan
I don't. It's just not my type of music. But that I'm still excited to see what he does. Anybody who gets to the super bowl halftime show, who wins Grammy for like.
- [49:35]
Jemele Hill
Out album of the year, biggest musical artist, People are talking about him like.
- [49:39]
Katie Nolan
No one's ever heard of this.
- [49:40]
Carrie Champion
Yeah.
- [49:41]
Katie Nolan
It's like, what are you talking. You're showing how small your circle is being. Very. You should be embarrassed to admit the way I just did that you don't know his music.
- [49:49]
Carrie Champion
Yeah.
- [49:49]
Katie Nolan
And you certainly shouldn't be using that as justification for why he shouldn't be the half.
- [49:52]
Carrie Champion
Well, you made a great point. You're like, it's 15 minutes. Really? It's 15 minutes.
- [49:56]
Katie Nolan
Grow up.
- [49:57]
Carrie Champion
Go to the bathroom. He's gonna be like, N A F a la welcome.
- [50:02]
Jemele Hill
Oh my God, that would be hilarious.
- [50:04]
Katie Nolan
Please do this.
- [50:05]
Chris
So, yeah.
- [50:06]
Jemele Hill
Cuz now that I know or now that we see that people are so bothered by this, I want. I want him to bother them in the biggest way possible. So do your thing, bad buddy.
- [50:14]
Carrie Champion
N A F A L. Okay. What is this box?
- [50:17]
Katie Nolan
We have a game we want to play where we get to stick our hand green lighting a game. Here's the thing. This is my first time seeing this box, okay? And Brady made this. Brad made this. Okay. And I don't understand why. Why is the C yellow for casual?
- [50:32]
Carrie Champion
Casual.
- [50:33]
Jemele Hill
Okay, great.
- [50:34]
Carrie Champion
What's the name of the show? That's it.
- [50:36]
Katie Nolan
And then why are the papers only on one side of the box? That's what. Isn't one side supposed to have names and the other side is supposed to have takes?
- [50:47]
Jemele Hill
Ooh.
- [50:48]
Dr. Jen Welter
Okay.
- [50:48]
Katie Nolan
These are just takes, okay? We're just doing straight takes. So what we're gonna do is you're gonna reach into this absurdly large box that made it on a flat flight here to San Francisco, okay? And you're gonna pull out a take. This game is called Take it or Leave it. Okay?
- [51:02]
Chris
Okay.
- [51:02]
Katie Nolan
Because you guys have a sports podcast. You gotta get your take engines running, okay? A take will be printed on here. You will then either take it, which means you'll defend it and say it's your take, or you'll leave it, which is like you disagree with It. You don't wanna. You don't wanna argue, so reach on in.
- [51:19]
Carrie Champion
On one side.
- [51:20]
Katie Nolan
There only is one side.
- [51:21]
Carrie Champion
I don't know, because you put the open. Take whatever you have. You put it over here when you're done reading it. Perfect.
- [51:27]
Katie Nolan
That's exactly why we designed it that way. All right, Kerry Champion. Take it or leave it.
- [51:31]
Carrie Champion
Lamar Jackson will win a Super bowl in Baltimore.
- [51:34]
Katie Nolan
Ooh.
- [51:35]
Chris
Ooh.
- [51:35]
Dr. Jen Welter
That's a good one.
- [51:39]
Katie Nolan
Take it or leave it.
- [51:41]
Carrie Champion
Gosh, I'm gonna leave it.
- [51:43]
Katie Nolan
Oh, oh. Okay. Let's do Jamel.
- [51:46]
Dr. Jen Welter
Okay.
- [51:47]
Katie Nolan
Take it or leave it.
- [51:48]
Carrie Champion
Okay.
- [51:50]
Jemele Hill
All right. Someone other than Matthew Stafford deserved the MVP this year. I am going to defend this opinion.
- [52:00]
Dr. Jen Welter
Take it.
- [52:00]
Jemele Hill
So I'm taking this, right? I'm gonna say Miles Garrett. I'm gonna say Miles Garrett. And part of this now, I'm not a 49ers fan who hates the Rams, of course.
- [52:11]
Carrie Champion
Are we doing this right?
- [52:12]
Katie Nolan
Yeah.
- [52:12]
Carrie Champion
So.
- [52:13]
Dr. Jen Welter
So you take it and take it.
- [52:15]
Katie Nolan
The take is somebody other than Stafford.
- [52:17]
Jemele Hill
Right.
- [52:17]
Carrie Champion
Okay.
- [52:18]
Katie Nolan
I believe this is arguing. Yeah.
- [52:19]
Dr. Jen Welter
Yes.
- [52:20]
Jemele Hill
Defending this opinion.
- [52:21]
Carrie Champion
Okay.
- [52:22]
Jemele Hill
Miles Garrett just literally had. And I realized who he plays for. One thing I despise about the MVP is that it has turned into the quarterbacks award. And it was like, if it's going to be a quarterback's award, just. Just name it. Call it that. Because that's what it is.
- [52:34]
Carrie Champion
Cuz.
- [52:34]
Jemele Hill
Yes, we get it. The quarterback is the most important position in football. But the season that Miles Garrett just have had despite being with the Browns to me says a lot. And I would just honestly like a non corporate quarterback to get it. I thought should have got it as well.
- [52:49]
Carrie Champion
She's such a hater.
- [52:50]
Dr. Jen Welter
I am.
- [52:50]
Carrie Champion
You're such a hater.
- [52:51]
Jemele Hill
I'm a big hater.
- [52:52]
Dr. Jen Welter
Try.
- [52:52]
Katie Nolan
Try again.
- [52:53]
Carrie Champion
Okay, here we go.
- [52:54]
Katie Nolan
Take it or leave it.
- [52:55]
Carrie Champion
All stadium food served in an upside down. All stadium food should be. I think b. Should be here. Should be served in an upside down hat or helmet. I agree.
- [53:07]
Katie Nolan
Take it.
- [53:09]
Carrie Champion
This is right up here. This is true. Everything tastes better like fries. Chili at the bottom.
- [53:13]
Dr. Jen Welter
The bottom.
- [53:13]
Katie Nolan
Cheese at the bottom.
- [53:15]
Carrie Champion
Ice cream. No, I agree with that. And then like, why am I here?
- [53:18]
Katie Nolan
Right? What are we doing here?
- [53:19]
Carrie Champion
What are we doing? What am I. I can just have a regular meal at home. Why the hell am I here? Why not? I know I'm at a football game. Give me a. A helmet so I can eat.
- [53:26]
Katie Nolan
It protects you.
- [53:27]
Carrie Champion
It protects it.
- [53:28]
Katie Nolan
Hand keeps it handy.
- [53:29]
Carrie Champion
You can have a napkin at the bottom. You don't even need it. If it falls out of your mouth. You can lean over the helmet to eat it, like I often do.
- [53:35]
Jemele Hill
And you have a little souvenir.
- [53:36]
Katie Nolan
Exactly. And I spent on this ticket and this food.
- [53:40]
Dr. Jen Welter
Oh, yeah.
- [53:40]
Carrie Champion
Like, literally, If I spend $4,000 on a ticket, why not a little mini helmet?
- [53:44]
Chris
Yeah.
- [53:45]
Jemele Hill
You might make the 2000 on the food. Exactly. I am going to say, Carrie, I bet you have never eaten out of a helmet.
- [53:51]
Carrie Champion
I will tell you a time, Kenny. I went on a date, and a guy ate stadium food. He ate a double cheeseburger right in front of me with cheese dripping down his mouth. And that was the day I decided I'd never eat stadium food that way.
- [54:01]
Katie Nolan
I. You also just reminded me, I think you went on a date with my fiance's friend.
- [54:05]
Carrie Champion
And let me tell you what he said. I did. I did. By the way, I didn't think it was a date. But then he. I said, wait. I was like, are you telling Katie that you and I are dating? And I was like, that's not true.
- [54:15]
Katie Nolan
So I said. When Dan told me, I said, yeah, no. No offense to him. He's a very nice guy. Like, you're dating Carrie Champion.
- [54:23]
Jemele Hill
And then he was telling people that.
- [54:25]
Carrie Champion
I was going after him. I go, wait a minute here.
- [54:27]
Katie Nolan
Yes, dude. Yes.
- [54:28]
Carrie Champion
It's a long story. Not true. Lovely man, though. Not true. You are lovely.
- [54:32]
Katie Nolan
You're fine.
- [54:33]
Carrie Champion
He's fine.
- [54:33]
Katie Nolan
Not. Not fine. Like, in, like, the 90s. Like, he's.
- [54:36]
Jemele Hill
No, no. Like, he's.
- [54:39]
Katie Nolan
Not not, like, fine. He's fine.
- [54:41]
Chris
Oh, my.
- [54:42]
Katie Nolan
Crazy. I knew immediately. I was like, there's.
- [54:44]
Carrie Champion
I was just like. You might want to correct that.
- [54:45]
Katie Nolan
I was like, there's no way.
- [54:47]
Carrie Champion
God bless you, though.
- [54:48]
Katie Nolan
Carrie Champion. Carrie and Jamel, where can everybody find your podcast?
- [54:51]
Jemele Hill
Monday, Wednesday, Fridays. Available on iHeart, Apple Podcasts, wherever. Podcast. Also on YouTube.
- [54:57]
Carrie Champion
Mostly on YouTube. That's.
- [54:59]
Katie Nolan
Everybody's doing YouTube.
- [55:00]
Carrie Champion
You gotta. It's so much fun to watch it.
- [55:02]
Katie Nolan
We're gonna do it. I think we're on our way to doing it. I started with. But I think we're. We're gonna have to do my hair and my makeup. You don't have to. You're a natural beauty, so shut up. You're.
- [55:14]
Chris
It's not true.
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Katie Nolan
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- [58:35]
Chris
I'm so excited, Katie. You know why? It's not super bowl week. It is DOTS week. The Premier League. DOTS begins again on Thursday 5th February at 2pm you can watch that on the Cock and PDC TV.
- [58:53]
Katie Nolan
My fave.
- [58:54]
Chris
Get some Luke Littler in your life. It's going to be another fascinating season in the darts. Our boy is just going to dominate as he has been since he was 16 years old. And now as a veteran, as an 18 year old, he's going to continue dominating. It's going to be a fun season for sure.
- [59:10]
Katie Nolan
A little bit of littler on the great. What else?
- [59:14]
Chris
The Winter Olympics begins this week and the US women's hockey team faces off against Finland on Saturday 7 February at 10:40am Eastern on NBC. And Peacock. So that's going to be a big, big matchup for all you hockey fans out there to. To catch.
- [59:32]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, I saw a report that said that hockey is the hottest ticket over there. It's the thing that's selling the most. Everybody wants to go. It's funny because they didn't. I don't think they even have bathrooms yet for spectators, but hopefully they'll have that figured out by Thursday.
- [59:45]
Chris
I will say, because when I was growing up we didn't have access to NHL games. The very first ice hockey match that I watched, I made sure to tape the final of the this must have been the 2006 maybe hockey finals in the Winter Olympics. And I watched that a bunch like over and over again. Must have watched it three or four times because that was the only ice hockey that I was able to get in Greensboro, Australia at that time.
- [60:12]
Katie Nolan
So Greensboro, Australia is crazy to me. Yeah, just crazy. All right, cool. What else?
- [60:18]
Chris
Puppy Bowl. Puppy Bowls on Sunday. Oh yeah, February 8th at 2pm Eastern. You can watch that on a bunch of places. Animal Planet, Discovery, tbs, True TV HBO Max, Discovery. Plus it's on a bunch of different places.
- [60:31]
Katie Nolan
Is the Puppy bowl the most successful television show ever created. Why is it on?
- [60:35]
Chris
Apparently so every.
- [60:36]
Katie Nolan
Okay. On HBO Max. Okay.
- [60:39]
Chris
That's what it says. Some of the dogs competing include Carrie Porshaw, Chapel Bone Lobster Roll, Josh, Howlin Barker, Playfield, Devon Tail Smith, Mutt Sniffed.
- [60:53]
Katie Nolan
Mutt, Sniff Mutt Smith, Matt Stafford. Okay, great. It's on HBO Max. So that means your favorite puppy is probably gonna die in the first quarter of the game, you know. Hey, Chris, good list. That's a lot of good options of stuff to watch this week. Good job, everybody. Thank you. I miss you too. I miss you too.
- [61:19]
Chris
Miss you too, Katie. But I hope you're having fun at the Super Bowl. Can I actually, can I say one more what to watch this week? This is from a listener. This is from Tim who said to all the casualties, John Boy media will be playing the first two USA T20 Cricket World cup matches from India on their that's cricket YouTube channel with commentary from John Boy himself, as well as former English player Liam Plunkett and Australian American cricket fan and John Boy contributor Adam Bannon. The games are on a little early for Katie. 8:30am but they are free to watch. India vs USA will be on Saturday the 7th, and Pakistan vs USA will be on Tuesday the 10th. So if you want to watch some T20 World cup cricket, you can watch it for free on John Boy's YouTube channel. So check that out. To get into some cricket.
- [62:01]
Katie Nolan
Yeah. Hell yeah. Nothing like super bowl week to get you into cricket. You know, it's always growing.
- [62:08]
Chris
It's growing in the USA Pick up a new sport.
- [62:09]
Katie Nolan
Yeah, for sure it is. And maybe it'll grow into my house, but I'm, I'm kind of focused on the Patriots this week. Thank you everybody for listening for our first. Let's go pates. For our first little bit of a wacky episode from Radio Row. Hoping to really bring you all into the experience of a Super Bowl. It's madness here and it's only going to get crazier throughout the week. Stay tuned. Don't forget we're doing three episodes this week. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. And then we'll be back with you in the studio studio next week. So thank you everybody for listening. Thank you to our guests, Dr. Jen Welter, Carrie Champion and Jemele Hill. And we'll see you tomorrow. Love you. Mean it. Bye.
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Katie Nolan
This trip is draining my wallet. Yeah, but we'll be with family.
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Chris
You're in a good mood.
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