Deep Thoughts with Nova: Space, Dress Codes, and School Bullies

Summary

Podcast Summary: Cate & Ty Break It Down

Episode: Deep Thoughts with Nova: Space, Dress Codes, and School Bullies

Release Date: June 10, 2026
Hosts: Tyler & Catelynn Baltierra
Special Guest: Nova (their daughter)

Episode Overview

In this special episode, Tyler is joined by daughter Nova for a fun, heartfelt, and candid conversation as Catelynn handles other duties. Together, they discuss everything from summer break and The Sims obsession to deep musings on science and space, school stories, bullying, dress codes, equality, and kindness. Using a deck of thought-provoking question cards, they spark engaging and often moving conversations about family life, personal growth, and Nova’s experiences and hopes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Summer Break, The Sims, and Escaping Reality

• Summer break excitement: Nova just finished 5th grade and is both excited and a bit nervous about entering 6th grade. (02:04)
• Obsession with The Sims: Nova and Tyler humorously bond over their shared enjoyments of The Sims, with Nova focusing on creating beautiful characters and expressing her creativity.
  • Nova (03:17): “Designing my Sims, I think it just gives me so much creativity. I don’t know why.”
  • Nova jokes about “escaping reality” via The Sims, mainly to avoid Mochi (the pet) pooping on her bed. (03:29)
• Reflections on moving up a grade: Nova is apprehensive about 6th grade, unsure about college unless it’s for “scientist, veterinarian, or artist.” She marvels at how science underpins everything, from art to curtains. (04:45)

2. Science, Space, and Black Hole Fascination

• Nova expresses a strong love for science, especially the mysteries of space and black holes.
  • Nova (04:44): “Everything is made out of science. Think about it…science is Earth.”
  • Nova (06:02): “They actually have a sound of a black hole colliding with another black hole…and you know, everything’s made out of waves.”
• The segment includes witty banter about the vastness and unknowability of the universe and how sound waves are processed in space. (06:29–07:00)

3. Family Life and Summer Plans

• Camping and Activities: The Baltierra family enjoys summer camping trips and plans for camping at places like Torch Lake. Pool parties and BBQs are a part of their summer, and they share a somber moment remembering a tragedy at Jellystone (07:06–07:34).
• Question cards game: Tyler introduces “Children are Human” cards—a prompt for fun and meaningful Q&A with Nova.

4. Family Culture, Embarrassments, and Differences

• Loud House vibes: Nova likens the family to the animated series “The Loud House” because “we are a loud house.” (09:47–10:12)
• Embarrassing moments: Nova finds Mochi’s public pooping embarrassing, Tyler shares moments when kids’ candid questions in public lead to awkwardness (11:03–11:38).
• Teaching about differences: A serious, heartfelt talk on how parents and siblings can help little ones understand people with disabilities or who look or act differently.
  • Nova (13:09): “Everybody’s different at the outsides, but we’re almost all the same on the inside...we have things that keep us alive.”

5. Magic Wands, Equality, and Kindness

• If they could change the world:
  • Nova (16:00): “Probably cruelty. Get away, cruelty. We don’t need you. No cruelty. No, ‘Oh, you look weird, so you’re a bad person.’”
  • Tyler would want “equal rights for everybody,” including women and LGBTQ+ people, and supports women embracing themselves, regardless of culture or body size (17:24–18:33).
• On women’s freedom and cultural dress codes: Candid discussion about global inequalities, especially concerning women, and the importance of self-expression.

6. Self-Perception and Childhood

• Nova predicts Tyler was a “daredevil” but also a protector as a kid; Tyler says she was more of an observer and stood up for friends (19:27–20:13).
• Invisibility superpower: Nova says she’d use invisibility at school to stop bullies—jokingly “punch the kids that were being mean” or haunt the teachers (20:52–21:48).
  • Nova (21:39): “Definitely punch the kids that were being mean to the other kids…Pull their hair…The bullies.”
• Tyler admits she’d spy on family members to see if they talk about her!

7. Gratitude, Anger, and Taking Action

• Biggest gifts: Both share gratitude for family, shelter, safety, and loving parents. Nova is “happy to have food on the table and loving and caring parents.” (22:57–23:22)
• Anger triggers: Nova’s anger comes from seeing injustice or others being hurt, and she is passionate about standing up for others; Tyler emphasizes the importance of “one act” changing someone’s future (23:29–24:18).
• Butterfly Effect: Discussion on how small decisions and acts of kindness/bullying can have lasting effects on people’s lives.

8. School Bullying: Experiences and Insights

• Understanding bullying:

  • Nova asserts that bullying often comes from kids’ fear or their own struggles, and sometimes from ignorance. She reflects on the importance of empathy—even for bullies. (26:00–27:50)
    • Nova (26:24): “…once more than half the population of bullies out there are either struggling with something about home or have a fear of being targeted first.”
  • Tyler adds: “A lot of people bully because maybe their home lives are bad or something is going on.”

• Handling bullying: Nova shares her own experience with occasional comments but chooses to perceive rude questions as curiosity. Tyler asserts that curiosity shouldn’t be mean and talks about the importance of teachers getting involved. (30:28–31:46)

9. School Rules and Dress Code Debate

• If you could change a school rule: Nova would change the dress code, criticizing how rules are applied unevenly and are sexist.
  • Nova (33:16): “The dress code, definitely. Oh, boys can wear tank tops, but I can't.”
  • Nova (34:01): “Instead of saying ‘oh, women should cover up so boys don't look at them.’ How about the dress code could be changed to, ‘men shouldn't be looking at women's shoulders being creeps.’”

10. On Self-Worth, Kindness, and Advice for Younger Kids

• What do you like about yourself? Nova likes that she tries to explain herself calmly even when hurt or offended inside. Tyler says her defining quality is being forgiving with a "long fuse.” (35:07–36:19)
• Giving kindness: Nova shares a firsthand story of standing up for a special needs classmate, Jackson, against repeated teasing and bullying.
  • Nova (37:33): “I grabbed him by the T-shirt…clearly he’s not like that…Why did you gain amusement from somebody’s discomfort?” (37:33–38:52)
• Advice to younger selves: Nova urges acceptance of everyone and educating others when needed: “Accept people who love the same gender as them” (39:42–40:08). Tyler adds “love yourself for who you are…hard things make you stronger and wiser.”

11. Lighthearted Fun: Jokes and Animal Personas

• The episode closes with lighter questions:
  • Boring jobs: Nova thinks making containers in a factory is boring; Tyler says math teacher.
  • Favorite animals: Nova would be a wolf, intrigued by their individuality, family roles, and sensory abilities; Tyler chooses elephant or lioness for power and family dynamics (41:48–42:47).
    • Nova (42:47): “I love wolves. I would love to be one in my next life.”
• Nova shares wolf facts, including that in some packs the top wolf is female due to breeding needs (47:59).

12. Looking to the Future

• Goal for 6th grade: Nova’s top goal is to “stand up for as many people as I can,” especially those with special needs.
  • Nova (49:01): “That’s gonna be my most top goal every single school year.”
• Tyler encourages Nova to continue standing up for others and always keep parents informed if situations escalate.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Nova (03:29): “You’re basically escaping reality.”
• Nova (13:09): “Everybody’s different at the outsides, but we’re almost all the same on the inside.”
• Nova (16:00): “Probably cruelty. Get away, cruelty. We don’t need you.”
• Nova (26:24): “More than half the population of bullies out there are either struggling with something about home or have a fear of being targeted first.”
• Nova (37:33): “Why did you gain amusement from somebody’s discomfort?”
• Nova (49:01): “Stand up for as many people as I can. That’s gonna be my most top goal every single school year.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:43 — Episode starts (post-ads), summer break discussion
• 02:30 — Nova talks Sims obsession & creativity
• 04:44 — Nova’s passion for science, creativity, and space
• 07:06 — Summer plans: camping and family fun
• 09:47 — Family described as “The Loud House,” embarrassing moments
• 16:00 — “Magic wand” question: ending cruelty and promoting equality
• 20:52 — Invisibility for a day: confronting bullies at school
• 22:57 — On gratitude: best gifts are family and kindness
• 26:00 — Bullying: causes and responses
• 33:16 — School rules & dress code debate
• 35:07 — Self-reflection: strengths and emotional responses
• 37:33 — Nova’s story of standing up to bullies for a classmate
• 39:42 — Advice to younger kids: acceptance and love
• 41:48 — Animal personas: Nova would be a wolf
• 49:01 — Nova’s 6th grade goal: standing up for others

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is genuine, loving, warm, and sprinkled with humor and vulnerability. Nova is articulate and philosophical well beyond her years, diving into complex topics like equality, bullying, and empathy, all while being her energetic, funny, and creative self. Tyler is supportive, guiding, and offers her own wisdom and candid stories, grounding the conversation in practical advice and encouragement.

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This episode encapsulates the special family dynamic and thoughtfulness Cate & Ty: Break It Down is known for, blending heartwarming and lighthearted moments with deep life lessons. Listeners—parents, kids, or anyone interested in authentic family chats—will leave inspired to foster kindness, empathy, and self-love in their own lives.

Transcript

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[Tyler]

And we're back. We're back with another episode of Kate and Tie. Break it down. And we are with Noly and Mochi. Again.

[Nova]

Gotta have them.

[Tyler]

You gotta have them. I know you're. You're. It's your best friend Tyler has been doing work at one of our rental properties. So things.

[Nova]

He's doing amazing.

[Tyler]

Yeah. So things are crazy for him. So Nova. And Nova's been begging me. She's like, can I do another episode with you? Can I do another episode with you? And I was like, all right, well, here we are. What? You guys just got out on summer break June 5th. Yeah. So couple. Just a couple days ago.

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Three days ago. Four days ago. Because I think today.

[Nova]

Three days ago.

[Tyler]

Today's the 8th, I believe.

[Nova]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. So three days ago.

[Tyler]

Okay. And I know you guys were super excited to get out for summer.

[Nova]

Yeah. Huh. I've been obsessed with the sims lately.

[Tyler]

Yes. I don't Know if anybody else. I mean, I remember being younger and I went through a phase of being obsessed with playing Sims and being on the computer for, like, hours, building houses, building people, taking care of my family, and then, you know, building other. Then I would stop playing a family, and then I'd always want to build, like, a whole nother new house and stuff.

[Nova]

Yeah. I think the most favorite part for me, I know a lot of people love building the houses, but I don't really spend that much time on the house. I just want to make my sims look pretty. Oh, yeah. That's the only priority I want. And then I'll move over to the house and try to think of what I picture in my mind.

[Tyler]

So you just like the part of designing yourself?

[Nova]

Designing my Sims, I think it just gives me so much creativity. I don't know why. Because, like, I don't know.

[Tyler]

And it's funny because Sims is like you're playing a fake life and not living your real life.

[Nova]

You're basically escaping reality.

[Tyler]

What do you have to escape from?

[Nova]

This guy Mochi.

[Tyler]

Why do you. No, why would you have to escape from Mochi?

[Nova]

I don't know. He poops all over my bed. Huh.

[Tyler]

He's what? He's pooped on your bed? Like, once. And we had to strip it and clean it.

[Nova]

He's also pooped on the floor.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yep.

[Nova]

He also pooped when I was in a call with one of my friends, so I had to clean that spot up. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tyler]

He's checking everything out, too.

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

I just can't believe that you finished fifth grade. A B's and C's. And then we have summer, and then you're going into sixth grade.

[Nova]

Yep. I'm not looking forward to it.

[Tyler]

You're not?

[Nova]

No.

[Tyler]

Sixth grade. Nova. That's crazy.

[Nova]

Only got six more years left.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And then if you decide to go to college, then you have even more.

[Nova]

I don't know. No, I'm thinking about it. Unless you want to get a challenging job, like being a veterinarian or a doctor or a scientist, I might be nice. Yeah.

[Tyler]

You like science?

[Nova]

Oh, I love it.

[Tyler]

And you're really good at science, too. What are, like, some of the main things you want to do? I feel like.

[Nova]

Well, the main thing I want to do. Well, everything is made out of science. Think about it. Science. Art is made from science. This is made from science because it was made from art. This was made from science because it was made from art. And art is made from science. Well. And science is Earth. So every Everything like this curtain. It took science for you to think of it and then for you to bring it into reality. So I just. I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to do. But my most priority is probably being a full time artist, a veterinarian

[Tyler]

or

[Nova]

a scientist. Those are my three things I think

[Tyler]

you'd be good at. Science or something to do with like

[Nova]

explore, like exploring different reactions. Exploring like atoms and. Or studies space.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Space is interesting. It's scary. Like I said, I'm like, I don't. I would never want to go there.

[Nova]

Oh, I. Yeah, space is really scary because we can't even fathom the size of our own galaxy. But I think it's so cool.

[Tyler]

I mean, there are cool parts of it for sure. Yeah.

[Nova]

Like a black hole swallowing a black hole. I think that's just what.

[Tyler]

It blows your mind.

[Nova]

Yeah. They actually have a sound of a black hole colliding with another black hole. And it's just this weird, eerie, just. Ugh. But there's no sound in space, so they. Yeah. And you know, everything's made out of waves.

[Tyler]

So what do they do? They like come up with a sound that they believe it would make?

[Nova]

No, no, it's just chronic waves.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Nova]

That are coming from the collision. So like you speaking to my right now, you are making sound waves.

[Tyler]

Right.

[Nova]

So nothing can be heard in space because of the dense atmosphere. Basically no atmosphere. And atmosphere basically holds sound, sound, air, light. Mm. That's why the sky's blue. Mm.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

Yeah, that's what I think. Everything's made out of waves. So they turned that wave to make it into sound waves. And I think it's just really cool.

[Tyler]

It is super cool. You show me a few of those videos. And so for summertime, we're definitely like an avid camping family.

[Nova]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I love camping.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we love to camp. And so we've. Me and we've already booked a couple camping trips.

[Nova]

Really?

[Tyler]

Yep.

[Nova]

Mm.

[Tyler]

We're gonna go in a couple weeks. And then.

[Nova]

I know. I get so, so sad about that boy that happened at Jellystone.

[Tyler]

I know.

[Nova]

Like, rest in peace.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that was sad. Yeah. And then we. We booked one for Torch Lake.

[Nova]

Oh, I haven't heard. I've heard of that. I've heard of that place, but I haven't. We've never gone to it.

[Tyler]

No. Yeah. So we booked a camping trip for Torch Lake in August.

[Nova]

He's just sliding down. Yeah.

[Tyler]

He's probably gonna try to escape. And besides, like camping, we just. What we have pool. We do pool parties. We barbecue.

[Nova]

Yeah, we barbecue. We do, huh?

[Tyler]

And then we just. Most of the time, we love to camp. Yeah. No, Florida's far away and it's expensive.

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

But so I got these. I wanted to do these with you. Your dad actually got them, and I was like, this is a great idea. So Tyler found these cards on Amazon, and it's called Children are Human, and it's got a bunch of questions. And so basically, you'll answer the question and then I'll answer it once you've answered it. Okay. So I wanted to do a few of these with you.

[Nova]

Let's see if I can get them.

[Tyler]

And it looks like there's two sides. There's like an easy side, and then there's like a. I don't know, maybe like a more intense.

[Nova]

Let's do the easy side question. Let's just do the easy sides. Yeah, but you're probably freezing, bro. Your lights turned off just a few minutes ago.

[Tyler]

Oh, did it?

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Nova]

Don't go through my ear like the other podcast. That was hilarious. Oh, God, the way he just poked through my hair. Yoink. Get out of here. Air. Here he goes. Yep. Exploring. I hope he doesn't poop on here.

[Tyler]

That would suck.

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Because if anybody's got a bearded dragon,

[Nova]

you know how gross it smells disgusting. Especially when they, like, freak out when there's just, like, one little glob of poop in there. No.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah.

[Nova]

I'm dying, Mother. I'm dying.

[Tyler]

If anybody has a bearded dragon, you know that their poop is disgusting. So that would not be good, especially

[Nova]

when you have to clean it up.

[Tyler]

Oh. If your family had a theme song, what would it be? A theme song. Like a song that describes our family. What do you think it would be?

[Nova]

I think like two key important opponents would like two key words or like, you know what I mean? The loud house. Loud. And it just reminds me of that one show.

[Tyler]

Oh, the Loud House.

[Nova]

One boy, ten girls wouldn't trade it for the world. Oh, yeah.

[Tyler]

So more of a show. You're like, the Loud House.

[Nova]

Yeah. You're talking to me. I'm over here stuck in my room playing the Sims, and all of a sudden I hear in the hallway,

[Tyler]

yeah, we are. We are a loud house. Yes, we are. Okay. What makes you feel embarrassed sometimes? Does anything ever embarrass you?

[Nova]

Maybe like, a couple. Oh, no, I actually. I'm trying to think of it when my friends come over and Mochi decides

[Tyler]

to poop all over my carpet that makes you embarrassed?

[Nova]

Yes.

[Tyler]

I guess that makes sense.

[Nova]

Because of my friends, like, he pooped.

[Tyler]

I think, for me, what makes me feel embarrassed sometimes I would say. I would have to say, sometimes it's my. My children. And when they ask certain questions, like, Vadel will be like, what's that part? Yeah. Or Vada would say like, mom, you know? Why.

[Nova]

How do kids get inside bellies?

[Tyler]

No, no.

[Nova]

Oh.

[Tyler]

Oh.

[Nova]

You don't get embarrassed by that? Okay.

[Tyler]

No, I mean, as far as, like, when we're in public somewhere, why does

[Nova]

that guy look like that?

[Tyler]

Yeah, Vada will say something like that. Or she'll be like, you have a baby in your belly, and it's like, bro. Or maybe. Or the one time we were in the. You know, the one time we were in the airport, and there was a girl, and she. No, I'm talking about you now. There was girl, and she had, like, a prosthetic leg. And we were standing in line, and you were like, why does her leg look like that? And I was like, nova. And then the girl turned around. She's like, it's okay. It's okay. She. Because I was gonna, like, talk to you about it, obviously.

[Nova]

Me? I said that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but the girl turned around and she was like, it's okay. Like. And she explained it to you and stuff. And I was like, oh. I'm like, yeah, but you. Come on, parents, you know, kids that ask certain questions, especially Beta.

[Nova]

There's this one girl in Disneyland, which I believe. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna claim that she has down syndrome, but she might have it by just. This might sound really bad from my perspective, but maybe because of how she's in a wheelchair, how she can't speak properly, I'm just claiming that as a person, that she might have down syndrome. To anybody that's watching that has a certain disability, I do not mean that

[Tyler]

as, oh, we know Nova.

[Nova]

Okay. Okay. Well, I'm just paid. You know, I'm throwing it out there. And Vader was like, why does she look like that?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

I like to put it in simple terms and say, so. She probably wasn't born like that, but I like to say, oh, she was born like that. That's. That's usually the most common way Veda would understand.

[Tyler]

Well, yeah, because she's so little. Right. And it's important that, you know, you. Especially parents or older sisters. You know, I've had to have talks with Veda and you when you were little, growing up about people that are, you know, born differently or maybe they have disabilities or maybe they're have veticulo, viticulo or. You know what I mean? Like, you have to have conversations. Yeah. Vitiligo.

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Like. Or just people that are, you know, everybody. Well, what I've always told you guys is everybody is born differently. Nobody. There's no one. There's no two humans that'll look alike. Except for like twins. Yeah. Okay.

[Nova]

But the thing is that I like to think of it in my mind. Everybody's different at the out ins, outside, but we're almost all the same on the inside. We have blood, we have organs, we have a brain. But some people might. We have. We have organs that keep us alive. We have things like.

[Tyler]

Well, I think at the end of the day. Well, I know. I think at the end of the day it's important to say that, you know, we are all humans and humans deserve to be loved and respected and valued in all those things. Yeah.

[Nova]

Love you guys.

[Tyler]

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[Nova]

Anything.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You have a magic wand.

[Nova]

You can change only one wish.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Just one thing.

[Nova]

One thing. Probably cruelty. Get away. Cruelty. We don't need you.

[Tyler]

What's a no cruelty in the world.

[Nova]

No cruelty. No. Oh. Oh, you look weird. So that means that you're a bad person. Nothing like that. Nothing like that. Anything they say is, oh, that person looks weird. So that person's probably a bad person. We do not want any of that.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Nova]

I think want positive interactions with other people.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Nova]

Physical, mentally. We just want physical interacts. Like happy interactions with human beings.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I like that.

[Nova]

I can solve world hunger. Or I can tell billionaires. Hey.

[Tyler]

Well, it's a. What one thing.

[Nova]

Well, I'm just. Or. Or I'm just saying things that I might say. So. Like, let's say a billionaire. Hey, you know what? Let's make a law where you give at least $2,000 every single month to someone in need.

[Tyler]

That would be good.

[Nova]

That would be like, hey, especially, I

[Tyler]

mean, if they're a billionaire. They should. Yes.

[Nova]

You got a billion million dollars.

[Tyler]

I think if I had a magic wand, one thing I would change about the world, I think would be equal rights for everybody.

[Nova]

Everybody.

[Tyler]

Woman. Women.

[Nova]

Yeah. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not gonna.

[Tyler]

Hold on, you're interrupting. Women, the LGBTQ communities. I mean, men, you know, everybody. To have equal rights on every single thing.

[Nova]

Because there is. I'm not gonna say, like, I know these countries have a certain culture, but I'm just saying it feels wrong in my perspective. But if anyone leaves in any of these countries, I'm not gonna say the countries, but I'm just gonna say, like, the things that happen there. Like there's. What?

[Tyler]

What do you mean? What are you talking about?

[Nova]

Okay, so there's just one country where women cannot show their faces anywhere.

[Tyler]

Yeah. No, they can't. Nowhere.

[Nova]

Nada. We don't want to see your face. I just want to have children with you. Almost like.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Why? What do you think about that? Do you think all women shouldn't be, like.

[Nova]

All women should embrace themselves no matter how you look?

[Tyler]

Well, it's not about the looks.

[Nova]

Yes, I know that. I'm saying every. I'm not saying anything about the looks. I'm just saying, like.

[Tyler]

No, I'm just saying. I'm saying that their culture, it's not like they don't.

[Nova]

It.

[Tyler]

They cover up because nobody is supposed to see them besides their husbands.

[Nova]

I know that, but I'm kind of drifting off to a new path.

[Tyler]

What do you mean?

[Nova]

Yeah, I'm just. Oh, see, you make me forget almost everything. What was I saying? Oh, yeah. All women should embrace themselves, no matter how body size, no matter how they look. I feel like everybody should embrace themselves. People that don't embrace themselves, I feel like. I feel like they should definitely try to, at least.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

Well.

[Tyler]

And, I mean, sometimes people might need to, like, go to therapy or something to work on themselves to embrace themselves or whatever, you know?

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

What do you think I was like as a kid?

[Nova]

Am I okay to say this in front of.

[Tyler]

Yeah. What do you think I was like, in your mind, what do you think I was like as a kid?

[Nova]

You were more of a daredevil.

[Tyler]

You think so?

[Nova]

Maybe a little bit more timid, but more confident. And when things happen, like, let's say one of your friends are getting hurt, you're gonna stand up for them.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

Yeah. I think that that's the kind of person that you would be when you were younger. Were you that person?

[Tyler]

I would say I wasn't as, like, much as, like, a daredevil. I definitely would stick up for people. I think I was more of, like a. You wouldn't do, like, any, like, crazy things or, you know, you did, like,

[Nova]

very slight risks or.

[Tyler]

No, I was more of like, a. An observer. Like, I would observe people doing things before I would do them, you know?

[Nova]

And that's. You. You need that. You need that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we kind of, like, watch to see what, you know, what people are doing.

[Nova]

Like, bungee jumping.

[Tyler]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nova]

Should I do that?

[Tyler]

Oh, I did it. I did it. But I was terrified. It was so scary. But it was very overwhelming once. Like, I don't know. It was very overwhelming once I did it. Like, all these emotions flooded to me

[Nova]

for some reason, and it's all combined in this One little compaction of excitement.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Adrenaline.

[Nova]

Adrenaline.

[Tyler]

If you were invisible for a day. Oh, what would you do?

[Nova]

Okay, so definitely if I was invisible for a day.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

I probably wouldn't go to school, but if I went to school, because our school, I'm gonna say this. Everywhere has a bowling problem, but I think our school has a little bit worse.

[Tyler]

Well, you've never been to another school to know.

[Nova]

Yeah, I don't know, but I'm just saying that as my perspective, I think our school is pretty bad. Boiling, bullying, Especially with kids that are different. Saying that quotes, as in, nobody's different in the inside, but they're. People have different personalities on the inside. I'm. I'm correcting myself. Anyways, what was I saying?

[Tyler]

You were saying that you feel like I asked, if you were invisible for a day, what would you do?

[Nova]

Definitely punch the kids that were being mean to the other kids. That would hurt invisibly. Invisibly.

[Tyler]

Yeah, invisibly. Punch them.

[Nova]

Pull their hair. Maybe, like, pull them to the ground.

[Tyler]

The bullies.

[Nova]

The bullies. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah. That's funny.

[Nova]

Or. Or I would, like, kind of play with the teachers a little bit. You know, pull their hair up like a ghost. Oh, yeah. Pretend to be, I'm here. I'm haunting you.

[Tyler]

Could you imagine that? Probably really freak somebody out. You're invisible. Yeah.

[Nova]

Like, no. I'll whisper in the air.

[Tyler]

Oh, that would freak me out, honestly. Yeah.

[Nova]

Because freak me out when I would do this principle. I'm your conscious. Here are the lists of people that are being mean.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Well, hopefully they would do something. If I was invisible for a day, what would I do? That's a hard one. Maybe I would want to be, like, a. Like, in rooms with, like, certain family members of mine to see what they talk about, if they talk about me and what they say, so that way I can, like, get back to them later. What is the revenge? Seriously, what is the best gift you have ever received?

[Nova]

The best gift ever? Huh? Probably being born in this family.

[Tyler]

Oh, that's sweet. I was gonna say my children, because

[Nova]

I'm just saying this. There's billions of people out there that are suffering from abuse.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

It's sad, because I'm just happy that we have a house, we have food on the table, that I have two loving and caring parents.

[Tyler]

No, thanks, Nova.

[Nova]

Like, that's. Hey, there's nothing that I can. Yeah, well, I love you. I love you, too.

[Tyler]

What is one thing that makes you feel angry sometimes?

[Nova]

Angry? Mostly my sisters. But another thing Is seeing people do something to people that are not right. I just get this weird, almost tangled feeling in my gut, and I just get fuming.

[Tyler]

Well, it's important that you. You know, and I know you do, but it's important to stand up.

[Nova]

I also can't control my anger when that happens, too.

[Tyler]

I was gonna say, but it's important for you to, you know, make sure you stand like, you know, we've always

[Nova]

taught you, always try. If there's a chance for me to stand up for somebody that's struggling, I will do it.

[Tyler]

Or making that, you know, somebody's making them feel smaller or whatever. You always got to stand up for those.

[Nova]

Oh, yes. Yes. You know, because once one single act can change a whole entire future.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Or somebody.

[Nova]

Now I'm talking about it right now. My future. Your future is always changing.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

It is zigzag by the.

[Tyler]

Yeah. By the decisions that you make.

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And so people that.

[Nova]

And you make decisions every day. I. I had a decision to sit here and talk with my mom about stuff, but I couldn't have done it. In another universe, I probably wouldn't have do it. Done it. Not saying I love doing this because I love you guys, but. But also, in another universe, I probably could be making a whole different decision.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And I think what you said there was important to note that, you know, people that pick on somebody or bully somebody or something, you. The person that you're picking on or bullying could be affected forever from that one situation.

[Nova]

Every single person is different by the way how they react.

[Tyler]

Yeah. What does that have to do with what I said? What? What does that have to do with what I said?

[Nova]

What did you say?

[Tyler]

I was talking about how, you know, like, when somebody is bullying someone, that bully is picking on some. So the person that is being picked on or bullied, you know, that one interaction of the day or whatever it was being changed.

[Nova]

The whole future.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Can change, like, their whole future.

[Nova]

One impact can choose or make a person choose different decisions.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And I think we should all just.

[Nova]

Why?

[Tyler]

I don't understand what's the point of bullying. Yeah. And I know that there's a lot. And I know that there's a lot of people that bully because maybe their home lives are bad or, you know, something is going on in their lives or whatever.

[Nova]

Or maybe it's just fear. Think about it. If someone is bullying someone, that bully might think or say they're not talking back, because if they talk to. Back to me first, I will feel weaker. So I must Attack them first. Because before they attack me.

[Tyler]

I mean, I could. Yeah, I could see that too. Yeah, Because.

[Nova]

Because think about it. Almost more than half the population of bullies out there are either struggling with something about home or have a fear of being targeted first.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I totally, I can totally see that.

[Nova]

For sure, that's why more bullyings come to someone that are feared by getting targeted first because of one of those insecurities. But there could also be things about. Okay, so that more than half of the population. Well, what about the other population? You say there's no point of bullying. Right. And most people. But not most. Well, whatever. But that other half of the population probably doesn't know what that person is going through. They're probably unknowing of what that person is dealing with. Like, let's say someone has cancer, a certain type of cancer. This bully that's bullying them probably doesn't know they have cancer. Oh, you shaved your head. Maybe because I'm not saying this as a weird thing, but most. But the other half of the population of bullies are probably unintelligent about what's happening to that person.

[Tyler]

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[Nova]

Because I always handle bullying as nothing that I do get bullied regularly. I get a little comment. Comment.

[Tyler]

What do you put comments.

[Nova]

Comments now and then. But yeah, whatever. Those comments don't matter. Yeah, maybe they're trying to say I don't know what's happening to you. That's what, that's what I like to put in my own words.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Nova]

Like let's say, oh, what happened to your hair? They're just curious. Or, or like oh my God, you shaved your eyebrows. Like a mean way. Not saying that I did, but like in a mean way. You probably don't know why I shaved my eyebrows. So most, most people that are bullying are probably like, oh, I don't know what this person's going through. So I must. So I feel the tension of wanting to know them. But I don't want to make it noticeable.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but I don't think I personally, I don't think bullying is just because people are curious.

[Nova]

Search it up. Some people think that they're cursed, but they don't want to make it more obvious that they're curious. That they're curious. They don't want to make themselves on and, like, seem unintelligent.

[Tyler]

Well, I don't think that's a good way to be curious by being mean or.

[Nova]

Exactly. No, I'm not saying this is a positive thing.

[Tyler]

No, I know.

[Nova]

Saying this as an explanation.

[Tyler]

One explanation.

[Nova]

One or two explanations of why bullying might happen to somebody.

[Tyler]

All right, let's see. If you could be any age, what age would you be and why? 5.

[Nova]

I had way much more imagination. I feel like right now, more colors are saturated than it used to be.

[Tyler]

You feel like you have more imagination at five than you do now?

[Nova]

Yes. Imagination. Five.

[Tyler]

Playing with my.

[Nova]

I guess playing with my dolls in my own world, in my little mind.

[Tyler]

Oh, true. Yeah. If I could go back to any age, I would want to go back to, like, 14 or 15.

[Nova]

What is he doing? He's licking his lips. Why you do dragons do that? To release stress. At least that's what I read. Huh.

[Tyler]

Why is he stressed? He. He's just. He's got the easiest life ever. He's just laying there. I would want to go back to the ages of, like, 14, 15, because it was all about friends and hanging out and having fun. Yeah. I would like to go back to that time period for, like, a weekend. Like, a long weekend would be good.

[Nova]

Eight days of being 14 again.

[Tyler]

Yeah, just. Just a few days.

[Nova]

Like, three days.

[Tyler]

Oh, here's a good one. If you could change one rule at school, what would it be?

[Nova]

The dress code, definitely. Oh, boys can wear tank tops, but I can't.

[Tyler]

Boys can't wear tank tops. What do you mean? We read the school handbook.

[Nova]

What do you mean? I've seen multiple boys go past the vice principal wearing tank tops. A girl walks past with a tank top, the vice president, like, oh, that's inappropriate. Go change and put on a sweater.

[Tyler]

So you would change the dress code. You wouldn't change, like, no homework or home? That's weird. The dress code, I would have been like, no homework.

[Nova]

Instead of saying, oh, women should cover up so boys don't look at them. How about the dress code could be changed to, men shouldn't be looking at women's shoulders being creeps.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I know, but it's. I get. No, I totally. I mean. I mean, me and you agree on that, but also, I read the student handbook.

[Nova]

And why does that happen at school then?

[Tyler]

I don't know. That's my question. Well, like, I already told You. I said if they were to come up to you for wearing a thick, strapped tank top, you tell them, call my mother.

[Nova]

I know. I got two warnings.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's stupid.

[Nova]

But then I seen like five boys walk past and like the smallest skinny.

[Tyler]

I see. I've been looking when I would go pick you up and I didn't see any. What? Okay. Do you. I don't know if you might to think for a second. What is the funniest joke that you know?

[Nova]

Probably your mama joke.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Well one.

[Nova]

Your mama so bald when I swiped her head, I saw the whole future. I love that one. What's your funniest joke?

[Tyler]

Why'd the chicken cross the road?

[Nova]

Because.

[Tyler]

Yeah. How'd you know?

[Nova]

I guessed.

[Tyler]

Yup. What is something you like about yourself that others might not notice?

[Nova]

Oh, that's a tough question. Probably the way I handle things. I may react more differently inside than I want to react. So let's say someone is unknowing of like, why I changed something about me.

[Tyler]

Mm.

[Nova]

I would try to explain it in a more calm way, but inside I might think that's a little bit more offensive. But I would still explain to them to see, like, why that happened. Because, you know, people. People are people, they're curious. People want to know new stuff. Well, not all people especially. Yeah, not all people, especially kids that are in school. But yeah.

[Tyler]

Let's see. What's something you like about yourself that others might not notice? For me, I think it's that I'm a very forgiving person. I'm a very kind person. But. And I have a very long fuse. But once.

[Nova]

What does that mean? Like, long fuse?

[Tyler]

Long fuse. Like it takes me a really long time to get angry. Yeah, but once I'm angry.

[Nova]

You blow over the dump.

[Tyler]

Yes. All right, let's see.

[Nova]

I'm not saying that as anger issues. I'm just saying that that's not. That's not an issue. It's normal. Building up that rage and all of a sudden they just can't go anywhere. So you just explode. That's what I think of it.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I have a very long views. Very, very long views. When was the time you did something kind for someone else? Okay, so how did it make you feel?

[Nova]

Okay. Okay. Probably the first week of middle school. Jackson. I'm not gonna say his last name, but Jackson, he is definitely. He's on the spectrum. People were saying, though, weird number six, seven thing to him. He did not like it. Well, actually the first few months of school, actually, not few weeks and what was I thinking? But those two words,

[Tyler]

Satan, six says six, seven to him.

[Nova]

He did not like it. So he would make sure, like he was really nice. He's more respectful than me, definitely. But he would, he would say, hey, I don't like the word because it kind of just doesn't make me sit. Right. That's what he would say. And that's like, that's a good way to put it.

[Tyler]

Okay, but what did you do that was kind for him?

[Nova]

So he started getting really irritated because these three kids came up to him and they would run past him multiple times going, shake heaven.

[Tyler]

Oh God. Huh.

[Nova]

And so, so he was. Jackson Bird was literally crying on the side of the brick wall at recess. And this one kid, someone came over there and he said, hey, Jackson, guess what? Jackson was wiping away his shoes. He was like, what? And the kid went, six, seven. So I stood up, I ran over. Before this kid could run away, I grabbed him by the T shirt, pulled him over. And I'm like, clearly he's not like that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, very sternly, uh huh.

[Nova]

Do you see him bawling his eyes out?

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's not nice.

[Nova]

And this kid could. I know, I saw him. He was like, this lady just grabbed you by the T shirt. So I was basically.

[Tyler]

So you basically told that guy to leave him alone, right?

[Nova]

No, but also I said, why? I also let in some of my curiosity and not really good way. But I said, why did you gain amusement from somebody's discomfort?

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's true. Why? Right.

[Nova]

And then this kid was just like,

[Tyler]

he didn't know what to say.

[Nova]

No. So I'm like, get back in line. Go away from him. Yeah, that's it. That kid never went back up to him and said that he told a couple of his friends and those kids stopped.

[Tyler]

Well, did you go up to Jackson after that?

[Nova]

Oh yeah, definitely. I sat beside him and was, hey, Jackson, don't mind them. They're just unintelligent people thinking that they're the boss. Making someone feel sad, that's not right.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's horrible. That's so sad.

[Nova]

I know I've been tolerating this. Not really tolerating it, but I've been like saying it nicely to the people that are saying it to him. So I was straight up irritated. Just like Jackson bawling his eyes out.

[Tyler]

What advice would you give to a younger kid?

[Nova]

Like what age?

[Tyler]

Just somebody younger. Any advice in the world? What would you give them?

[Nova]

Always accept others no matter what. Like not you can accept them, but Also, you need to also teach them some stuff. If they're doing something bad, accept people that love the same gender as them.

[Tyler]

Something happened down there. We're recording my ties downstairs with all the kiddos, so.

[Nova]

Didn't hear what I said?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I was listening.

[Nova]

Okay. What did I say?

[Tyler]

Well, no, I think you're right. Yeah, I think. Let me see, if. Advice to a younger person. I would say, love yourself for who you are. Don't let others bring her down. Don't let other people make you feel certain types of. About certain types of ways about yourself. And also, you're going to go through hard things. But going through hard things makes you come back stronger. It makes you come back stronger, and it also makes you more wise. Like, as you get older, you get wiser. Let's see. I think we have time. We're gonna do. Let's do one more. What's. What job do you think would be super boring?

[Nova]

What job? Probably making those containers in the factory.

[Tyler]

Oh, like a. Like just making random containers in a factory?

[Nova]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay. For me, I feel like a boring job. Would be a math teacher.

[Nova]

Math teacher. Yeah. Okay. If I was a teacher, I would just make my class fun. I don't care. I'm gonna give you calculators. Do it. Turn on some music. Whatever music you want.

[Tyler]

When I was your age and like, going through school and stuff, our math teachers used to say, you need to learn this because you're never going to have a c. A calculator just in your pocket. And now we.

[Nova]

Look at us now.

[Tyler]

Yep. Oh, okay. Well, let's. Let's end with this one. Let's see. If you were an animal, what animal would you be and why?

[Nova]

Let me sink in this chair for a minute. That is a very strong question that I cannot imply.

[Tyler]

You can't. If I was an animal, I would either want to be, like, an elephant because they're big and strong and, like, just. I love elephants. Or like a lioness

[Nova]

do all the work, though.

[Tyler]

I know they do, but they're. Yeah, they're baddies, you know?

[Nova]

Baddies.

[Tyler]

Yeah, baddies. Taking down a Dr. Like with my baddie friends.

[Nova]

Yeah. Just taking down a giraffe, like, so. Nonsense.

[Tyler]

Yeah, they're. They're baddies, you know?

[Nova]

Guess what? Okay, so I have this one implied in my mind. You probably know what I'm gonna say, but most likely a certain type of wild dog, like, maybe I'm gonna throw it out there, but maybe a wolf.

[Tyler]

Yeah. You like wolves?

[Nova]

I love wolves. I love wolves. That I would love to be one in my next life.

[Tyler]

Possibly I would love to take you to like a wolf sanctuary.

[Nova]

Oh.

[Tyler]

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[Tyler]

They have one in Colorado. And I looked it up a few years back because I really wanted to take you. And then I found out that you can't do the wolf like interactions. Yeah. Unless you were like 16 years old or 18 years old. I know, and I don't know why. I don't know if it's like an insurance thing or something, but I was like, man, I would love to take Nova to go do something like that.

[Nova]

Trust me. I've loving wolves for three years and I'm still going.

[Tyler]

Yeah, wolves are cool. Remember the ones we saw at the Detroit Zoo? That male, the female was really pretty, but then all of a sudden we

[Nova]

were like standing there and this ginormous muscly.

[Tyler]

He was huge.

[Nova]

He came up. Yeah.

[Tyler]

He was coming out the wood and we were. I was like.

[Nova]

And the normal gray wolf and the black wolver just all of a sudden chasing each other playfully. I think that was so cool to watch.

[Tyler]

I know. But I could never realize. I was like, well, he was huge.

[Nova]

Oh, yeah. You. You underestimate the size of wolves.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Nova]

No, I was like, wow, they are up to the size of an average male height. If they would stood on their hind legs.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And I know there's a bunch of different wolves. Like, they're small wolves, medium, but the wolf wolf set. The wolf, the male wolf at the Detroit Zoo. I was like, wow, he's huge.

[Nova]

Male wolves. Male wolves are typically larger because they use more muscle. Like let's say a female wolf.

[Tyler]

Well, yeah, the. All the males are usually bigger.

[Nova]

She would most likely be able to have offspring and be able to protect them by how smaller and agile she is. While a male would have more muscle so he could take down bigger prey to feed his pack. That's how I like to put it. But I would love to be a wolf because.

[Tyler]

Would you want to be a wolf male or a wolf female?

[Nova]

I don't know. No, just like probably like a dispersed wolf. Like a loner wolf, you know? Oh, these I would love.

[Tyler]

You wouldn't want to have a pack.

[Nova]

I would love to have the feeling of just closing my eyes and be able to basically place this, the whole entire environment by environment in my mind. Wolves do not need eyes to see. They have their nose. It's so strong.

[Tyler]

Well, yeah. Yeah.

[Nova]

So they can smell basically everything. And those smells are transformed into different fumes or colors, which I think is so cool.

[Tyler]

It is pretty cool. Wolves are cool. I don't blame you. There they are really cool.

[Nova]

And I also love the aspect of them having roles and higher hierarchies, because it depends.

[Tyler]

Yeah, there you go. In a pack.

[Nova]

Did you know. You know how the. Okay, so there's this one pack, I think, in, like, the northwest region and like a zoo or something that. The top of the pyramid, though I like to think of it, is actually the female. So she gets the most food, she gets the most treatment because she needs to have puppies for the next generation. So below there that are usually the leaders of the pack or males in this specific zoo. I don't know whatever else, or, like, if. If it's the same in other wolf packs, but in that zoo, that's most likely what happens.

[Tyler]

Super. It's interesting. All right, one last question from your mom to you.

[Nova]

What.

[Tyler]

So you're going into sixth grade after the summer. What is one goal you can give yourself going into middle school?

[Nova]

Middle school? Well, I'm already in middle school.

[Tyler]

Well, I mean, but like, middle. Like sixth grade. What is one goal you want to give yourself

[Nova]

one goal? Probably just stand up for many. As many people as I can. That's gonna be my most top goal every single school year. Okay. Because this school has a lot of, like, different special needs kids. Well, good.

[Tyler]

Stand up for those kids, as you should. You know what I mean?

[Nova]

And kids that are different.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And like I tell you all the time is, you know, you can always cut. You know, if there's any. If anything turns into a bigger issue, you know, you need to tell me, like, if you stand up for somebody, which me and your dad always tell you, like, you stand up for somebody, do what you can, but if nobody intervenes or helps you, helps you, or helps them, or, you know, helps you help them, then we need to be aware. So that way me and your dad can kind of step in too, and help.

[Nova]

The stupid thing is, is that I've told these teachers all the names of the people that keep coming up to Jackson and saying, I'm six, Aaron.

[Tyler]

Well, I'm standing up for him.

[Nova]

There's only this one teacher that I adore. He. He recently got out of cancer. He says he has all his hair back. You know what I'm talking about, the one with the cool glasses.

[Tyler]

But, no, I think that's a good goal. I think standing up for people and being kind to people is what we need more in this world. You know what I mean? But thanks for doing this with me again. I love you. It's always fun. I know people always love to hear you talk and the way that you speak on things. You guys, please make sure you go like and rate our show. That helps us a lot. Leave comments on our, you know our Kate and Tyler's Kate and Tyler's fan page on Facebook. You guys can follow us there where we make daily posts. But also please, yeah, give us five stars and leave a comment only if you want to and leave a comment for us. And we love you guys and we always are so grateful for the support and love that you guys give us. And we'll be talking to you guys next week.

[Nova]

I love you. Goodbye.

[Tyler]

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