Finding Your Spiritual Energy feat. Linda Spellman

Summary

Cate & Ty Break It Down

Episode: Finding Your Spiritual Energy feat. Linda Spellman

November 5, 2025 | PodcastOne

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Overview

On this episode, Catelynn and Tyler Baltierra welcome their longtime friend Linda Spellman—a psychic medium and trauma survivor—for a raw, insightful, and heartwarming conversation on friendship, trauma, spiritual gifts, and the transformative power of healing. The episode explores deep connections forged in vulnerable spaces, the intersections of faith, intuition, and psychic experiences, and practical advice on nurturing your own spiritual gifts—all set against the candid, uplifting, and occasionally hilarious backdrop that Cate & Ty are known for.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. Reconnecting & Shared History (01:09–06:27)

• How Cate met Linda: Connection in an inpatient treatment center years ago; the “Butt Hut Babes” and the power of positive affirmation (“I’m awesome and I’m strong”).
• Lasting bonds through vulnerability: Strong, unique friendships formed from shared trauma, mutual support, and deep trust.

“You are all going through such hard things and...sharing things that some of my closest friends at home don’t even know.” – Cate (04:50)

2. Trauma, Healing, and Spiritual Gifts (06:34–13:18)

• Linda’s journey as a psychic medium: Trauma and healing opened her abilities (“being still” for healing creates space for spiritual messages).
• Spiritual gifts after trauma: Linda interviewed 50 people for her book who developed spiritual gifts post-trauma.
• First supernatural experiences: Linda describes seeing her first spirit (a teenage boy) in the treatment center, later validated by a photograph.

“I think addiction is a symptom. So many times it comes from trauma…We all kind of related on that level.” – Linda (03:52)

“It was like a slow movie moment…as I’m scrolling down and this picture of him is rolling up, I was like, holy crap, that’s him.” – Linda (10:57)

3. The Realities of Mediumship & Navigating Skepticism (13:41–19:52)

• Balancing faith, skepticism, and mediumship: Linda is a Christian and psychic, discussing reconciling both identities.
• Helping vs. Exploiting: Caution about supposed mediums who prey on the grieving.
• Spiritual cleansing: Linda explains remote and personal energy clearing for people and homes.

“I think a healthy skepticism is good, honestly, because there are people out there who claim to be able to do things who aren’t.” – Linda (18:42)

4. Haunted Houses, Energy, and Intuition Stories (23:10–29:46)

• Cate describes her own psychic/intuitive experiences: Particularly her time in a “haunted” house and feeling compelled to find a young man’s mother after his passing.
• Spirit validation: Appliances acting up, shadows, and medium readings validate Cate’s experiences for the family.
• Linda teaches how messages may come in your own internal voice.

“He came to you because he knew you would notice it and you wouldn’t ignore it.” – Cate relays psychic feedback (27:38)

5. Everyone’s Potential for Spiritual Connection (30:04–36:25)

• Are some people more intuitive or are we all capable?
• Practical guidance: Paying attention to physical sensations, emotional cues, and trusting “gut” instincts.
• Spirits’ methods of communication: Images, symbols, dreams, energy.

“The messages come in your own voice…If you’re all of a sudden thinking about something—why is that?” – Linda (32:04)

“If you call it gut instincts when you’re a CEO, if you call it psychic, you’re a whack job. But it’s the same thing.” – Linda (36:25)

6. Empathy, Boundaries, and Emotional Self-Care (46:12–60:43)

• Childhood roots of empathy and healing: Importance of childhood passions, the “old soul” dynamic, and boundaries for empaths.
• Drawing the line between supporting and enabling: Recognizing codependency and learning to pull back when others aren’t doing the work.
• Practical advice: Don’t let others become “energy parasites;” be a helper without self-sacrifice.

“If I’m trying harder for you than you’re trying for you, that’s where I have to draw the line.” – Linda (56:45)

7. Soul Bonds, Reincarnation, and “Old Souls” (48:08–51:20)

• Soul tribes and multiple lifetimes: Repeating relationships through “soul ancestry.”
• Key affirmation: Just because kids/empaths can feel others’ energy, they aren’t responsible for fixing it.

8. Navigating Hatred & Cultural Resistance Toward Spiritual Gifts (44:09–47:56, 61:42–64:47)

• Linda’s experiences with religious condemnation: Sharing stories of hostility from those threatened by her gifts.
• Cate & Ty advocate kindness and acceptance: The world is ready for more spiritual and emotional openness.
• The “they” problem: Media, cultural, and political tendencies to dehumanize and divide.

“Stop being each other's targets…We’re here for a limited amount of time in this experience. Don’t waste it by operating in that space.” – Ty (64:15)

9. Mediumship Practice, Ethics, and Protecting Energy (65:27–76:12)

• How Linda protects herself: Prayer, intention, and visualizing a “protective sheath”; she does not remember details of readings afterward.
• Random signs and validation: Stories of “random references” like vanilla wafers, Egyptian symbols, or giraffes that provide unexplainable validation to clients.
• Warnings about fraudulent mediums: Red flags include excessive questioning and requiring frequent, costly visits.

“If somebody just keeps asking questions—that’s not a good sign.” – Linda (76:53)

10. Live Mediumship Reading—Tyler’s Spirit Connections (82:46–89:55)

• Linda gives an impromptu reading for Tyler: Brings through a male friend who died young, expressing gratitude and apologizing, and Tyler’s late grandmother as a “champion” and guardian.

“She’s been your champion. She’s always been with you, but she was definitely with you on that day.” – Linda (89:52)

11. Helping Listeners Cultivate Their Own Spiritual Gifts (72:02–75:53)

• Linda’s encouragement:
  • Don’t fear your gifts—set boundaries and seek good teachers.
  • Notice intuitive hits, especially dreams and urges.
  • Water, nature, and stillness can facilitate spiritual connection.
  • Set intentions and be open.

“Oftentimes, if you’re struggling with something, write it down before you go to bed…ask for help. When you wake up, write down the first thing that comes to mind.” – Linda (74:53)

12. The Value of Authenticity & Purpose (91:17–94:50)

• Purpose and impact: Embracing your path, trusting the process, and recognizing that true influence often goes unseen by the critics.
• Soulmates and supporting one another’s evolution.

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Notable Quotes

• Cate: "You are all going through such hard things and...sharing things that some of my closest friends at home don’t even know." [04:50]
• Linda: "Addiction is a symptom. So many times it comes from trauma." [03:52]
• Linda: "Being still and actually healing is a big thing. …That being still is when we can hear the callback." [08:23]
• Ty: "I think we all operate with frequencies...people just have this ability to tap in." [17:54]
• Linda: "If you call it gut instincts when you’re a CEO, if you call it psychic, you’re a whack job." [36:25]
• Linda: "If I’m trying harder for you than you’re trying for you, that’s where I have to draw the line." [56:45]
• Ty: “Stop being each other’s targets...don’t waste it by operating in that space.” [64:18]
• Linda: “I always tell people, like, they want a therapist who’s never had any trauma—you can tell. It doesn’t work. You want someone who’s been through it, who gets it.” [70:07]
• Linda: “Don’t be afraid of it [your gift]...you can turn it off, and there are people who can teach you.” [72:23]
• Ty: “I feel like we’re all just grown-up children pretending to be adults.” [47:20]
• Linda: “Random references—vanilla wafers, burnt toast—the things that are just outrageous…they always mean something to the individual.” [79:59]

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How to Find Linda

• Website: lightofthephenix.com
• Book: Trauma Inspired—Stories and guides for healing and discovering spiritual gifts post-trauma
• Workshops: Online courses for developing intuitive/psychic abilities

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Closing Thoughts

Cate and Ty’s episode with Linda Spellman is a rich, compassionate exploration of how trauma, friendship, and spiritual gifts can intersect in surprising, healing ways. Listeners walk away with practical steps to listen to their intuition, stories of hope and validation from the spirit world, and a renewed sense of the importance of kindness, boundaries, and listening—to both each other and the unseen.

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Episode Highlights (Timestamps)

• Cate and Linda’s friendship, “Butt Hut Babes” origin story: [01:09–06:27]
• Opening up about psychic abilities: [06:34–13:18]
• Linda’s first spirit encounter validation: [10:07–11:00]
• Mediumship and Christianity—navigating faith & skepticism: [13:41–17:02]
• Cate’s own haunted house experiences: [23:10–29:46]
• Empaths, intuition, and everyone’s potential: [30:08–36:25]
• Boundaries, codependency, and emotional self-care: [46:12–60:43]
• Soulmates, “old souls,” and raising empathic kids: [48:08–51:20]
• Red flags for ‘fake’ psychics/mediums: [76:12–78:02]
• On cultivating your own spiritual gift: [72:02–75:53]
• Spontaneous mediumship for Tyler: [82:46–89:55]

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For those seeking meaning after pain, affirmation of intuition, or simply a deeper understanding of spiritual energy and friendship, this episode delivers wisdom, warmth, and a heartfelt sense of wonder.

Transcript

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[Kate]

Hi guys and welcome to another episode of Kate and Ty. Break it down. Today we have a very special guest. She is actually one of my friends. I would like to introduce my friend Linda.

[Linda]

Hello. Hello. Hi. It's so good to see you.

[Kate]

I know. It's so good to see you too. It's been years.

[Linda]

I know. Way too long. But then again, it doesn't feel like it's been five minutes.

[Kate]

I know. It's crazy.

[Linda]

It's like no time has passed.

[Kate]

I think. Yeah. I think we were talking about it earlier and I think the last time we saw each other, Novo was about like 2 years old.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Oh, really?

[Kate]

Yeah. When we went to that restaurant in la, you're not even living in California anymore. You're out of there.

[Linda]

North Carolina. And you're loving it there, you know, it's beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful. And it's affordable.

[Kate]

Right? True. California's kind of crazy.

[Linda]

I mean, I love California. Yeah. And I'll probably live there again at some point. I've moved there like five times in my life. So. Have you. Really? Yeah, I know. I'm a slow learner.

[Kate]

I'm a slow learner. I love it.

[Ty]

You're a drifter.

[Linda]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Ty]

Little history, though. There's a little history here. How the friends happen. How did it all happen?

[Kate]

Well, me and you, we actually met years ago. Gosh, that was over 10 years. Long, long time ago.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah. So actually me and Linda met the very first Time that I ever went into an inpatient treatment facility. And I met Linda there too. And she was the one who created the Butt Hut babes.

[Linda]

Yes.

[Kate]

And I'll never forget this because we would all gather around the smoking section because all of us girls would be there and just like talking with everybody. And she had this thing that whenever you leave, you have to say, I'm awesome and I'm strong. And it just stuck. And every woman made T shirts.

[Linda]

Yep.

[Kate]

My mom made everybody T shirts. And it was just like a. A way of spreading positivity to ourselves and positive self talk. And so I feel like there was just a few of us girls that got super close while we were there. You know, of course you're. You're either whether you're there for addiction or mental health or trauma or whatever, like you could just relate with a lot of these women there. And some of us just got super close and stayed close for many, many years. And you're one of them.

[Linda]

Always kept in.

[Ty]

Well, I remember you calling me, saying, I met Linda.

[Kate]

She's so cool.

[Ty]

Oh, cool. Awesome.

[Linda]

And it's so funny, I had no idea who you were.

[Kate]

And I love that.

[Linda]

I didn't know you were famous. I just thought you were awesome. And I was like, I. I think you gave the best hugs.

[Kate]

No, Eric.

[Linda]

She does, right?

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Because it's just so real and genuine. It's like you just mean it. And. Yeah. I think it was the last day that you were there that somebody's told me that you were on tv. I'm like, oh, really?

[Kate]

Well, now I know. I just have known her now, you know.

[Linda]

Exactly. But I just. We just hit it off and it was so natural. And I feel like too, with everybody there, even if you're there for different things, like the people that were there for addiction, I think addiction is a symptom. Right. So so many of it, it comes from trauma, it comes from other things. So I think we all kind of related on that trauma level.

[Kate]

Absolutely.

[Linda]

Yeah. And I feel like you share a relationship with people in that setting that you don't with anybody else. Right. Because you're talking about it all the time. But you're also being really vulnerable.

[Kate]

You really are. And I feel like nobody can understand those type of relationships that you build in those types of environments unless you've been a part of it.

[Linda]

No, exactly.

[Kate]

It's like, you know, there's some people that I've met in those facilities that I will remember for the rest of my life.

[Linda]

Absolutely.

[Kate]

You know what I Mean. And it's because of just. You are all going through such hard things and. And trying to get better from it. We don't want to be like this. So we're just like talking and talking and talking and sharing things that I wouldn't. Some prime. Some of my closest friends at home.

[Linda]

Don'T even know exactly.

[Kate]

You know what I mean? So it's like you just build these different relationships with people in a deeper.

[Ty]

I think, like you said, a deeper way than you ever would normally because you're almost in this situation of like, we. I have to spill all my guts out here in front of all these people, and it creates a natural deeper connection.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Ty]

It's inevitable.

[Linda]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Kate]

And it's. And some. And like, some of us, like, we wouldn't even have like, group therapy together or our, you know, just certain therapies together, but it was just like the stuff that was spoken about in the butt hut.

[Linda]

Yep.

[Kate]

You know, like, it was just. We were just all there just listening and being supportive and talking to each other and, you know, we'd have our one friend who would just bring her guitar, come out there and sing to us.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Kate]

You know what I mean? Like, it was just.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

We just. You build bonds that you are like, wow, I will remember this person forever.

[Linda]

Yeah, absolutely. You know, and then. Yeah, we just always kept in touch.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Just texting back and forth, just checking in.

[Kate]

Just checking in, you know, and having more kids.

[Linda]

Yeah. Right.

[Kate]

And I think it's funny because when you are super vulnerable with people and you build those relationships like you said, like, I can. There's certain people in my life that I can't talk to or maybe don't talk to for a while because life gets crazy. But then when you do meet up with one another, it's just like you're back to where it was. Like, it doesn't even matter.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Kate]

You know?

[Linda]

Exactly. And there's the trust. Right. Because, I mean, you have to be able to trust people in that setting or you can't really heal and you can't really share. And so there's a level of trust that is hard to build.

[Kate]

Yeah. And we're very big on, you know, confidentiality and when you're in those environments too, and that helps a ton. And I feel like we take that even out of when you leave those places with those people.

[Linda]

You know what I mean?

[Kate]

Like, and that's special.

[Linda]

It is.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

It's awesome.

[Kate]

It is. It is.

[Linda]

And so are you.

[Kate]

So are you awesome and strong.

[Linda]

Yeah. Yes. We're awesome and strong. That's right.

[Kate]

But also, I don't think a lot of people know about you, that you are a psychic medium.

[Linda]

I am, yes.

[Kate]

And I think one of my questions for you was, did you. Do you think working on your trauma and all of the things that happened to you in your life, do you think that's what made you aware of this gift?

[Linda]

Absolutely. I mean, I feel like I've always had certain psychic moments, I guess, in my life. I think everybody does to a certain extent. But I kind of theorized that it was not just the trauma, but the healing, the being still to heal from trauma that allowed me to pick up on the messages that I think everybody gets. Right. But, you know, I actually wrote a book afterwards with. Well, you wrote the forward. So, you know, I interviewed 50 other people who, after traumatic experiences, develop spiritual gifts because I wanted to know, like, okay, am I a freak? Because this is happening to more people, but it happens. And I think it's a big part of when you are going through that kind of trauma. I think we kind of reach out, like, help. We can't find the help we need Here you go external. We go external. Right. To wherever. I personally am a Christian. I believe in God. But whatever your personal belief system is, I don't judge. But we're reaching out to something.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

And I feel like that's almost like the opening the hand out, and then when we're still enough to slow the thoughts to stop. I escaped my trauma for decades until I was assaulted again. And then it all kind of came back. But escaping is. We're taught very well how to escape in this world. Just keep yourself busy, you know, just do this. Oh, you're so strong because you're not crying. Well, I'm not sure if that's strong or if that's unhealthy.

[Ty]

Right, right.

[Linda]

You know, whatever. It's. It's the messages that we're given. So being still and actually healing is a big thing. And I feel like that being still is when we can hear the callback.

[Ty]

So almost like people aren't spending enough time being still.

[Linda]

Yes.

[Ty]

They're not spending enough.

[Kate]

Just humans.

[Linda]

We're not exactly.

[Ty]

I agree with that.

[Linda]

Exactly. And I feel like being still brings you so many opportunities because that's when you start asking questions that you don't ask. Am I really happy? Do I actually really like what I'm doing? Is this what I want to do in my life? We often, I think we're funneled into this success road. Right. Just do more, do more, do more. And we get decades sometimes down that road and we realize, how did I even get on this path? Because sometimes it's not intentional, it's just the way your life turns out. And I think it's important. That doesn't mean you're going to necessarily drift away from that path, but I think it's important to find out, is that where you want to be or do you want to maybe change some things?

[Ty]

Or maybe you realize things on the path that you agreed with, maybe before. Now you're like, oh, this doesn't feel good to me anymore.

[Linda]

Exactly, exactly. Because hopefully we're evolving as human beings. So it was just very interesting. And I was not. I designed databases for a living. I worked in corporate America for 20 something years. So I was not woo woo girl. Right, right.

[Kate]

So after you're so like after your last assault and you went, you know, to the inpatient treatment center and was able to be still for a while and kind of focus on yourself and heal. So after you left, is that when your abilities hit you full force?

[Linda]

Full force. It was after I left because I started really investigating them. I first saw a spirit when I was there.

[Kate]

Oh.

[Linda]

And I was really surprised. Thankfully, there, there are some people that work there that are kind of spiritually aware. So I was like. So I saw this, this, this kid sitting next to me and he looked more like a teenager than an adult. And I said, has anybody passed away that was a teenager or, you know, young person? And he said, yes. And I was like, okay.

[Kate]

And they have their too.

[Linda]

And. Yeah, they did. And in fact, when I was writing my book, it hadn't occurred to me. Again, I'm a slow learner. That there's got to be a picture somewhere of this kid. Right. Because I saw him. So then I started researching and looking at, you know, people who died at that particular facility. And it, it was like a slow movie moment, right. Because it was the article. Then I could see this, the top of the head. So as I'm arrowing down and this, this picture of him is rolling up, I was like, holy crap, that's him.

[Kate]

Wow.

[Ty]

Did that freak you out? Because then it kind of confirmed like, what?

[Linda]

Yeah, it was kind of part freak out. It was part validation. It was part going, I don't know how this happened to me and I'm not really worthy of it, but I'm going to do the best I can with it.

[Kate]

Well, and it's probably confusing and scary too, because you're like, you Said I'm not. Am I crazy? Am I really seeing what I'm seeing or hearing what I'm see hearing, like, all the things.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Kate]

And then for it to hit you.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Even super strong while you're in this place, working on yourself. Oh, yeah.

[Linda]

For mental health, it's really good to start seeing things in a facility. For mental health, it's like, okay, do.

[Ty]

I say this out loud?

[Linda]

House probably would have been better than here.

[Kate]

Wow.

[Ty]

But what did you experience, like, before this happened? Like, did you like.

[Linda]

What, you mean like my psychic moments?

[Ty]

Yeah. Growing up or.

[Linda]

You know, I just kind of. Sometimes I knew things. Like, I remember. Gosh, I think I was 17, I was in college, and I was talking to a friend of mine, and I told him that I had, you know, some psychic gifts. And he's like, bullshit. You know, the usual reaction. And I said, no, I do. And he goes, okay, tell me what my middle name is. And I just met him when I went down to Texas to go to college. So I didn't know. And I said, well, it's not really the way it works, you know, you don't, like, go out and say, here, give me this.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

You open yourself up and they give you what they feel like. He's like, nope, either come up my middle name or I'm not going to believe you. And so I said, well, I'm going to dinner with a friend of mine. I'll come back. So over dinner, thought about it, came back, and I said, it's either Keith or you don't have one. And he goes, nope, you got to pick one. I said, okay, Keith. He goes, holy shit. I'm like, no way. Give me your license. Seriously. He put out his license and Keith.

[Kate]

I did so tripped yourself.

[Linda]

I did. I did. You know what? And I think the moment it stops surprising me, I need to stop doing it, because I feel like the unexpected and the. I feel like it would be too entitling to not be surprised when things come up, because I don't believe this. As me, I know I'm getting help from the other side, but. Yeah, it's those. Those moments where you're like, holy crap. I had no idea. Because this, you know, my life. I have an mba. Like, my life was going in a completely different direction until, like, couldn't work anymore because of ptsd. Yeah.

[Kate]

And then the other. You know, the higher the. The other realms were like, here, we're going to drop this into your life.

[Linda]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Kate]

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[Linda]

He just showed himself and he had this, he was, he was a light, but he had this kind of just really nice energy to him. I felt like he was like a companion. Like he would walk next to me sometimes.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And just kind of be like, yeah, I'm here.

[Kate]

Oh, interesting.

[Linda]

Yeah. Very light hearted. And so I feel like it was part of like my introduction right into that place.

[Kate]

Wow.

[Ty]

Well, it's crazy because it happened in that space. So it's like you're in this space and then this, this, you know, this spirit's like, hey, like you need to. I'm gonna show you like here, like you're. This is this place. You came for one thing. But we're gonna open up the floodgates for the different path that you, you know, probably should explore. Which is crazy because what a. What, what a guardian angel in a way or kind of a guide to, to. For you to get to this point?

[Linda]

I think both of those because I've always tried to help people. Obviously I've, you know, been more or less successful depending on the day, but because I got my own flaws. But I kind of knew when I left there that I wanted to help people heal. It's one of the reasons I wrote my book. It's one of the reasons that I really kind of changed what I was doing. And I do believe that that was my introduction to be able to use this to help people.

[Kate]

And I think it's funny, like you said, you're like, what a place to start seeing things and seeing people while you're there for men.

[Ty]

How long do I keep this in my head and say it out loud? Because I don't know what's gonna happen if I say it out loud.

[Linda]

I was worried about it. I'm like, maybe you should just keep this to yourself.

[Kate]

Or you're just seeing.

[Ty]

But like you said though, it's, it's. You're glad that there are people there that were a little bit awoken, a little bit, you know, a little bit enlightened.

[Linda]

Exactly. Aware and not afraid.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

I mean, I think because there's a lot of people who. And we were talking about this a Little bit earlier. They're afraid of it because they don't understand it.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And they don't know where it comes from. And they, you know, they don't know, like, I'm a Christian. It doesn't mean anything because there's a lot of Christians out there who are not Christian. Like. But I try to do good with it.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Right. And. And I couldn't know the things that I know.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

Without help.

[Ty]

It's one of those things where I think it's naturally human beings, where we always fear what we don't understand. Like, we're. Well, I mean, we always fear. We don't understand. It's just. It's inevitable. But instead of closing it off or becoming hard into it, just. Okay, well, let's understand more.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

And I think it comes down to. I think it's interesting because a lot of, you know, people who practice a certain religion or, you know, I mean, they. They look at this as, like, you know, heresy or it's witchcraft or, you.

[Linda]

Know, I mean, absolutely.

[Ty]

I mean, they really, you know, so to stand so firm and say, I'm a Christian and I'm also a psychic. I mean, that's a. That's a big. That's a big thing to stand on.

[Kate]

And you know what's funny is, too, is, like, I listen to Teresa Caputo's podcast a lot, and she is a faithful Catholic, like, you know what I mean? And she says it a lot, all the time. She's like, I. She goes. And even in their religion, they think that. And she's like. But I'm telling you right now, she's like, I got this gift from God. From God that's exactly like. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's a gift that people are given. And, like, she does the same thing. She's like, I just do it to. To help people.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Kate]

You know, help healing, whatever it may be. Or maybe they just need to hear a certain message or whatever. Like.

[Linda]

And there's a lot of things that come through that. That it helps heal me. But when I watch people get so emotional, I mean, I've had abusive parents come through to apologize for the first time.

[Kate]

Wow.

[Linda]

And, you know, it's like, how would I know that?

[Kate]

Right?

[Linda]

You know, this person's father was abusive, and the first thing they come through with, I'm sorry, you know, and people cry. I always tell people I make people cry for a living. But it's. It's a good cry because it's a release. And. And there's often things that they never heard.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

That they needed to.

[Kate]

Yeah. Just to heal and move on.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Kate]

And also I feel like. Like I'm totally a believer. Like, I've never really been a skeptic. I feel like myself. I've had certain intuitive things happen in my life that I'm like, I'm just a believer. I've had dreams that have happened. I've known things that have happened. I've seen things with my own eyes and then have had validation through psychic mediums that I'm not crazy, that I was seeing what I was seeing and all the things. Tyler, on the other hand, he's more of like a. I wouldn't say. I say you believe, but you're more of like a.

[Ty]

Well, I'm a really. I wouldn't say a skeptic. I'm. I'm a very spiritual person, so I don't like to categorize anything into a box. I more or less like to think of it as. I think we all operate with frequencies. And I think that. And I think some people just have this ability to tap in. They. They. You guys have figured it out. I don't know what it. You know, I think the monks figured it out. I think people. There's people who spend enough time being still and absorbing and. And. And. And connecting to the frequencies around us that are always happening that they are able to get into that space. And I'm envious. I wish. You know, I mean, I'm too. There's no way I could ever do it because I'm too critical thinking. I want to say it's just more critical thinking of, like, I. I don't. You have ability to sit still that I probably would never be able to have. I work on it, but it's still a thing that.

[Linda]

And I think a healthy skepticism is good, honestly. Because there are people out there who claim to be able to do things who aren't.

[Ty]

What I think is not good stuff, and I see it. So I don't like seeing people getting taken advantage of. I don't like seeing people getting their money. You know, just that. So when it comes. When it comes to me being like a critical thinker, skeptic, whatever, it's more that part of it.

[Linda]

Yeah. Which I. You know, I think that's healthy. I think if you go into it without any sort of guardrails or skepticism, you can be taken advantage of.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And unfortunately, there are people who. You know, I think it's horrific because most people are coming to you because they've lost someone. Right? Yeah. And that's the worst. I mean, I know I lost my granddaughter recently, and it's the worst thing that can happen to a person. And to take advantage of someone in that state of their life is just. I don't understand.

[Ty]

Yeah. Natural. My skepticism comes from. How dare you? Yeah.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

It's not. Right.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And then you're using your quote unquote gift for not good.

[Linda]

Right.

[Ty]

Yeah. Which that's. What if you even have that gift or you just literally like.

[Linda]

Yeah. And there are people out there that will, you know, say that you need a cleansing because you have an attachment. And when it's not true.

[Ty]

Interesting.

[Linda]

It gets people afraid when they.

[Ty]

Cleansing. What does that mean?

[Linda]

So I do spiritual energy cleansing as well. I do a lot of.

[Kate]

She's done Reiki on me from where she lives when I've needed it.

[Linda]

Yeah. And it's the spiritual energy cleansing can be done on people or on homes. I've done it for homes for realtors who are trying to get the home to sell. And it's not moving, even if it's priced. Right. Because you know this. Right. Because I know that you both have. Are intuitive. When you walk into a place, you can feel if the energy is heavy.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

So if you're looking for a home, you want to feel like it's a clean slate because you want to be able to see you and your family in it. You don't want the energy of the workman who is going through a divorce that came in to paint or the people that live there who were going through trauma and that's why they're sold their house. Energy stays with the place. And when you have a certain amount of empathy, you can pick that up.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

So I do remote cleansings. And I mean, the farthest one I've done is Australia to clear the energy, to give it a clean slate so that they can be sold. But when you're doing that with people, people, especially natural healers or empaths, you end up collecting energy. The. The total of your experiences kind of can weigh heavy over time. Right. If you don't have a natural way of releasing it. Right. So. So the cleansing is when I'm releasing that. Sometimes you do get attachments.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

And you have to cleanse those and get rid of. I've done those too. More likely it's the former than the latter. But I have had clients who came to me. It's like I saw this psychic medium and they told me that I have an attachment and they said I needed to pay them $5,000 to clear it. And I'm like, okay, first of all, if you did, I would tell you because I would be able to pick it up. And you don't.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And you mean as like soul attaching, like attachments.

[Linda]

Yeah, like negative energies. Energies attaching.

[Ty]

And what you said is about like the painter coming in. He has trauma. That. So. So when you say energy gets. Gets. Gets left behind or stay. I mean, when you say energy, I say I. That's a frequency. That's. That's. That's a vibration.

[Kate]

It's something.

[Ty]

Yeah. Which I think it's funny because we can have different beliefs. Right. But I think we're on the same field. I think it's interesting that when people are like, kind of like skeptic. Real. That argue against it, it's like, well, I don't think you've even tried to tap into any of the frequencies around you. So you're immediately like, you're wrong. This is what's crap. This is heresy, whatever, you know, so. But I always. What do you think the reason people are so negative about it?

[Linda]

Fear.

[Ty]

Which is.

[Linda]

I think people fear. I read this survey and I can't remember the exact number. So just bear with me because I'm making them up. For example. Right. But I remember it was like something like 80% of people believed that a house could be haunted, but 40% believed in ghosts.

[Kate]

No.

[Linda]

So who's haunting the houses?

[Ty]

That's strange.

[Linda]

So it's like people don't even reconcile their own beliefs together because it's just one of those subject matters that's been put out there as being evil and demonic and, you know, I don't want anything to do with the devil. Like, no, thank you. But when. When you're told that that's something to be scared of, which is how unfortunate.

[Ty]

It's almost like. It's almost like how unfortunate because how. How many people are we misleading where they could have had this gift, they could have helped a lot of people. And you're scaring them out of it.

[Kate]

Around. I. I truly believe it's been around since man's forever.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah, I agree.

[Kate]

There's been just certain people that can tap in and that have these gifts. And to go back to about, like what you were saying about the houses and like when you get them and just the energies and stuff, like, for instance, that's exactly like. I feel like I had intuitive things when I was younger, but when we moved into our very first house, we ever bought it was super. Like, you would go in this basement, and it was just not a good feeling. And I remember when I walked into the house, when we were looking at it, I loved the house. It was a great price, but you can't pass this up. And remember, the first words out of my mouth was, has anybody died here? And she was like, no, no, no. Nobody's died here, you know, or whatever. And I'm like, oh, okay. You know, whatever.

[Ty]

First thing I said was, she's lying because it was built in 1889, so guarantee somebody.

[Linda]

Probably. Right, right.

[Kate]

And I'm just like, oh, okay. You know, whatever. And then we're getting closer to closing and doing all our inspections and everything. And the realtor comes up to me, and she's like, actually, I have to tell you something. And I'm like, what?

[Ty]

Closed? Yeah.

[Kate]

And she's like, so there was a young man here that committed suicide in the basement.

[Ty]

Basement.

[Kate]

And I was like, just. I got all these instant feelings, and just like. And it was like, every time we were in this house, I. And I would go in the basement to do laundry and stuff. I would just this intense just feeling in my stomach. And I remember there was just this earth. Like, there was just this urge in me to find his mom. I don't know where it came. I don't know. It was just like, I need to find his mom.

[Ty]

We spent a lot of time researching, too, figuring it out.

[Kate]

I knew he lived with his dad and his stepmom, and I was like, I just had this urge to find his mom. And there'd be moments where I would be, like, laying on the couch, and I would see shadows going, like, going into the base, down the basement door and things. And. Long story short, I. We ended up finding his sister, and I found his mom. And then we were.

[Ty]

They thought we were weird. They're like, why are you.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And then.

[Kate]

But then I got really close with his mom. Like, super close. And we would talk on the phone for hours about her son, and just weird things would happen to me in this house.

[Ty]

Like, the moment you connected with his mom, though, things got more intense. Like, more.

[Kate]

And so, like, for instance, we put in a bathroom downstairs because they only had a bathtub upstairs. Upstairs. And after we put this shower in the shot, all of a sudden, I'd be in there doing something, and the water would just start rushing out of the shower, and I'm like, what the. But I'd have to go in there, and I would have to physically turn it on and then shut it off. Like, it wasn't even turned on, right? And then, you know, this would go on for, like, months, randomly. And then eventually when. So when I started talking to his mom and all these things, and I told her about the shower and stuff, and she was like, oh, my gosh, she started screaming. And I'm like, what?

[Linda]

What?

[Kate]

And she's like, he used to always call me and tell me, I can't wait until dad puts that bathroom downstairs so I don't have to take a bath, like, a little any.

[Linda]

And I'm like, oh, my God.

[Kate]

Like, I get goosebumps right now. And, like, I'd get off the phone with his mom and, like, weird noises happen, slams, all these things. And then eventually I took. I paid. We paid for his mom and his stepdad and his siblings to go see this psychic medium in Michigan. And it was amazing. And I feel so crazy. And so I talked to the psychic afterward because I was paying for it. And she was like, he came to you because he knew you would notice it and you wouldn't ignore it. And he needed this healing. He needed to talk to his mom, and you were his way of doing so. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. As seasons change and the days grow darker sooner, it can be a tough time for a lot of people. This November, Better Help is encouraging everyone to reach out, check in on your friends, and reconnect with loved ones. Remind the people in your life that you're there. I know a lot of people struggle with, you know, the seasonal depression. It gets gets darker earlier and the days feel shorter. It's cold. You want to stay inside. But we don't have to let that take over. With Better Help, you have somebody that you can talk to right in your pocket. Better Help does the initial matching work for you so you can focus on your therapy goals? You answer a short questionnaire helping identify your needs and preferences. And with their 12 years of experience and industry leading, Match Fulfillment rate means they typically get it right the first time. And if you're not happy with your match, you can switch to a different therapist at any time, and it's no cost to you. They have over 30,000 therapists, and BetterHelp is one of the world's largest online therapy platforms, having served over 5 million people globally. Also, what I personally loved when I used BetterHelp was the fact that you can do therapy from anywhere. You can do it from the comfort of your own house on your back porch. You can even do it in your bed. It's just super accessible, and you feel like you have that support. Wherever you are this month, don't wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself, Better help makes it easier to take that first step. Our listeners get 10 off their first [e-mail] Break it down. That's better. H E L P.com Break it down.

[Linda]

Yeah, I was just going to say, because one of the first things I teach, workshops about getting in touch with your gifts. One of the first things I teach is that often messages come in your own voice. He is why you've had that urge to contact his mom.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

That didn't come from you, that came from him.

[Kate]

I believe so.

[Linda]

And he was completely whispering in your ear, like, find my mom. Find my mom. Find my mom. Even though you're like, why do I need to find this? Right.

[Kate]

Right. And I just had this urge, too.

[Ty]

And also, things got more intense when she started talking to. Because we all got really close with each other, and she was talking.

[Kate]

And before we went to the medium. Yeah, Like, I would be talking to his mom on the phone or whatever, and then I would hang up, and, like, all of a sudden you'd hear bang. Like bangs. Weird things like that. And then the night before we were going to the psychic, I was talking out loud to him, and I was like, you know, we're taking your mom, and I hope this is really healing for you. And all these things. Same thing. I got to the bottom of the stairs, and in the kitchen was like, boom. This huge boom. And I don't think I bolted up a set of stairs. And he was like, it's probably the wind. I'm like, the. He did the. It did. I'm telling you, it was him.

[Ty]

It's all right inside. I'm a little bit scared, but I'm like, it's all right.

[Kate]

You know? And like, the one time, the first time Nova spent the night anywhere as a newborn, we come home, and all of a sudden, her mobile and the mobiles back then, like, you had to twist the thing for it to play music. So you'd physically twist it. We come home, and then all of a sudden, it starts playing music upstairs. Just, like, weird things. And. And it was weird because after we took his mom to see the psychic medium and everything, and then I did, like, a cleansing of the basement. Like, I lit, like, a white candle, and I talked to him about, like, I hope you have peace now. And I let it burn fully, completely until it Went out on its own. After that, nothing.

[Ty]

Nothing happened. Not one.

[Kate]

People live a new couple lives in this house. Like, nothing.

[Ty]

I've asked them to ask because they rent it. I rent the same. So own the house. And so they rent it from us and has anything. And they're like, no. I'm like, all right, I'm just.

[Kate]

So let me check in. And so it makes me wonder, like, I wonder if, like, does everybody have this ability? I wonder. You know, like, it makes you think of things.

[Linda]

I think. I think they do or do empaths.

[Kate]

Just feel it more?

[Linda]

I think everybody has the ability. I mean, I've taught a lot of people, right. I feel like empaths. It's more easy to tap into it because part of it is knowing what you're feeling. Is that me or is that spirit? Right. You know, I've learned basically, if it comes in over here, then it's spirit. If it comes in over here, then it's not.

[Ty]

So you've been able to kind of decipher within your own.

[Linda]

Yeah. For the thousands of readings, it's like you learn kind of, you know, because they communicate differently with different psychics. Right. So every person's a little bit different. Like, for me, Mom's side comes in on the right, Dad's side comes in on the left. That's not gonna be the same for every psychic medium. It's just the way that works for me. Right. But that's the way you understand what.

[Kate]

They'Re trying to tell you.

[Ty]

And the spirit knows what you'll understand, so they do it. And.

[Linda]

Well, and that's the thing, too, is, like, one of the fascinating things that I've learned is that I've. I've spoken with people who never spoke English.

[Kate]

Oh, wow.

[Linda]

But they're still able to communicate with me and in a way that I understand them.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

Even if they were, you know, from Germany or from Czechoslovakia or wherever. I've done readings all over the world. But it's fascinating to me that they find a way to communicate in a way that I understand, which I really.

[Ty]

Believe that because they are part of it. It's like. It's almost like we live in a 2D world, and they live in a 43D world, and they're. And we would never be able to explain it. If we went there and came back. We wouldn't. You can't explain 4D in a 2D world. So they learn ways to use you guys as a vessel to kind of. Okay, I know they'll understand this Because I know some people will say, oh, I see images or I see symbols and. Which I think is really interesting.

[Kate]

Which means certain things to them.

[Ty]

Yeah. And like, the person would only know that that symbol means this. And so the spirit goes, I know they'll understand this symbol. And so. Which I think that has a lot to do with, like, that's a whole alchemy and just how symbolism works. And if you don't pay attention to what symbolisms are, you might miss it, you know?

[Linda]

Absolutely.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Because paying attention is, is the first thing you have to do.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

Is because, like I said, the messages come in your own voice. So if you're all of a sudden thinking about something, why is that?

[Kate]

Right, right. And especially so, like, for, like, for like, how hard was it for you? Especially, you know, being not, I mean, being older in your age, you know, when it happened to you, how hard was it for you to like, kind of understand how to decipher what the spirits are telling you? Like, did you have any help from any other psychic medias to kind of process it or reading or.

[Linda]

It was interesting. It was one of those meetup things where a woman came on who said, sign up for a free reading from my students because she was teaching people how to be mediums. So I signed up and her students, there were a couple of that were okay, and. But then she gives like a 15 minute reading at the end and her reading was like dead on. And so I reached out to her afterwards and I said, okay, so how do, how do I tap into this? Because she actually said, you think you're going to heal with your hands, but you're a very powerful psychic medium. And I had literally just finished Reiki training, so. Which is healing with your hands.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

Literally, like the weekend before, I had finished Reiki training and I said, so how do I develop this? And what she started doing is she would ask people for sign up for free reading. And then she would tell me just to kind of write down whatever I was getting ahead of the reading. And then I would say it in the reading and it came very naturally to me. It was like basically turning on like a dimmer switch.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Linda]

So the light was just going on. And I remember when I realized that I had arrived, so to speak, when I had a reading that was scheduled for 2:00'. Clock. So at 1:30 I started writing down all this information. Right. About five minutes to 2 she said, oh, finally got somebody signed up for your 2 o'.

[Ty]

Clock.

[Linda]

I thought you weren't going to have Anybody. But everything I wrote down was for that person. Before they even knew that they were going to get a reading, I was already connected with them and their loved ones on the other side, which.

[Ty]

Because I'm. I think on the other side, there. There's content of time Isn't real.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Ty]

None of it's in coincidences.

[Kate]

Isn't a thing.

[Ty]

Yeah. So I feel like. And like, I really feel like they have to learn, like, ways to, like, make it into this. Around, like, they're in 40. Let's get it into 2D and.

[Linda]

Yeah, exactly. I always tell people, like, the easy, easiest way for them to communicate is one is dreams. Because that's when most of us. I was total type A. The only time our walls are down is when we're sleeping. Yeah. So when you say you dream things that then happen, I think that happens more often than people believe. Because that's when they can talk to you.

[Kate]

Right, Right.

[Linda]

The second is through energy. The typical, you know, lights flickering, but water is another one because they are energy. So their ability to interact with that. And the third is through animals because animals can see spirits before most people can. Right. So if you see your animal acting all wacky or staring at a corner or something, you probably have a spirit.

[Ty]

That's crazy, because I feel like. Like as much of a, you know, critical thinker. I like to call myself. Not a skeptic, but, like, I feel like I spend. Like, I meditate a lot. I spend a lot of time just, you know, trying to quiet myself down because my head's so crazy. And I feel like. And I. Then I feel it with her. It's like I have to work kind of, I think, extra hard at it. I think for her, it become. It's more just fluid. Like, it's. It's naturally, like, she's gonna be quiet.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Yeah. And. Yeah. And so I feel like for her. For you. It's like. It's like she'll know right away. So, like, something's wrong. And I'm like, I haven't even said anything. Didn't even sigh. I didn't even, like, no. I didn't even make it known that I was a little bit fussed or anything. She's like, what's going on?

[Kate]

And then when that person's like, nothing. I'm like, like, yeah, I know something's going on. You know?

[Linda]

Did you forget who you're talking to?

[Kate]

Like, I know something is going on.

[Linda]

Yeah. I know when people try to lie to me, I'm like, yeah, do you know, what I do for a living.

[Kate]

Because this isn't working.

[Linda]

Yeah, but I think you're way more intuitive than you give yourself credit for. But I think you don't stop to think about it. It just happens. The way that you talk to people, the way that you intuit who they are, the questions that you ask in this podcast, like, I've just. And I've told you about this. I've been totally impressed with you and your ability to do this podcast because you just can so easily talk to people and connect with people. There's a lot of intuition involved in that.

[Ty]

Yeah. I mean, I guess so. Yeah. Think about it like that.

[Linda]

But, yeah, when people call it gut instincts when they're a CEO, if you call it being psychic, you're a whack job. But it's the same thing.

[Ty]

I have a lot. I talk about all the time that I get. Like, I won't even really. And I. And I think I gotten to a point where I don't question it anymore. It's like, if I have a gut feeling, it is what it is. And I. And I. And I believe it to just be my truth. And I don't say it out loud. I just keep it very internal. But I will say that, like, I. I have probably four conversations every week with one of our close friends about something.

[Linda]

Oh, yeah.

[Ty]

Going on or whatever. And I. The older I get, and the more that I ground myself and meditate, the more I think the more easy it gets for me. And. And, yeah, it's interesting, though, because I don't know.

[Linda]

Nature.

[Ty]

Yeah. I haven't, like, had any vision. I don't see things. I just. It's. I can't. It's a feeling. It's just a feeling that I get. And I feel like I was gonna ask you to. Do you sense that in other people? Can you sense other people's stuff if they have abilities? I can see something. Yeah.

[Linda]

I've always known that Kate has abilities. Like.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

You know, even before I knew I had abilities.

[Ty]

Yeah. So you can kind of sense it in people.

[Linda]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Picking up, you know, what's going on with people. Like, I have some clients who call me just to say, okay, what do you get from this person? What do you get from this person? What do you get from this person? And it'll be people I don't know. You know, it'll be over the phone. I don't see pictures or anything, but I can pretty much tell them, all right, you know, this person's not up for your best interest. They're big talker. They're, you know, whatever. And I don't know these people.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

You know, but it just comes to me, and I know things. But. But you're extremely intuitive, and I feel like you just. Just. It's gut instinct for you.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And so you don't think about it a lot. You just do.

[Ty]

Well, also, I think it. For a while, it's a little scary. It's like, ah, it's overwhelming. It's overwhelming because it's like. All right. And that's. I think that's why I. I think I, like, force myself and spent a lot of time meditating and just grounding. Because I need it for me. And I always feel.

[Kate]

You need to be quiet sometimes.

[Ty]

Yeah. I just always feel so much, like, I. So much. So much relief. And it's not. I wouldn't explain it as feeling, like, constant tension, but it's. I'm constantly filtering.

[Linda]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ty]

I think there's a lot of connection with, like. Like I said, I think it's one of those things where the whole psychic medium field is so interesting to me because it crossed paths with so many different beliefs, religion.

[Linda]

Absolutely.

[Ty]

Culture and different ways of doing things. I think if we spend less time demonizing those different practices, cultures, or traditions and just kind of like, oh, that's their way of doing what.

[Linda]

That's interesting.

[Ty]

Everyone prays differently. Everyone worships differently. And I. I feel like if we spend less time demonizing or criticizing it and just being like, oh, you're just like me brother and sister. Okay.

[Linda]

Right.

[Kate]

Yeah, we all are.

[Ty]

I think. I think.

[Kate]

I think I just might be able to talk to the dead.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And you can't.

[Ty]

But I think it comes down to, like, you believing that. I think. I believe you that. I think everyone does have the ability. We just. We're in a culture in society that just refuses to sit still.

[Linda]

No, I. I agree with that. And I feel like the. The belief, when more people believe. If you think, like, Reiki is in every major hospital right now.

[Kate]

Oh, is it?

[Linda]

Yeah. I didn't. Johns Hopkins Hospital, which never would have.

[Ty]

Been a thing 20 years ago.

[Linda]

Primarily cancer centers. Exactly. It would never have been a thing 20 years ago. But Reiki is everywhere.

[Ty]

We're evolving, so it's just.

[Linda]

Yeah, we are getting there, but it's a matter of being okay to believe it. Right. Because when people. And now it's probably not the right time, but when people stop jumping all over each other for having a different set of beliefs. And just listen. You know, we've got to be able to listen and to open ourselves. Exactly. Because you think about even religion as an example. Right. That's based on exposure.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

Based on where you live, that's often the religion that you were exposed to. So that's the religion, you know.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

So how can another religion be bad just because to your grandparents, they grew up in a different country all the time?

[Ty]

Yeah, well, and I say, and I don't say it as into like one religion is better than the other, but I say the divinity that I worship and I pray does not discriminate based off a geographical location. So if like a little boy student or if the Hindu child, that's, that's their. I believe that we're all going up the same mountain, different paths, but we're all gonna end up at the same summit. We're all going to be there.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Ty]

And that's what I really feel that. So when I feel, when I see people just like demonizing the different cultures, traditions. Oh, you're wrong. I'm right. Catholic, Protestant, whatever, you know, all the different stuff. It's like you guys, what a, what a, what a way to waste time.

[Linda]

Right. If you had been born in a different family in a different country, you likely would be following a different religion.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

That doesn't make you any better or worse.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

It just means that you're following a different religion. But there are so many similarities in so many of the religions that I agree with you. We're all kind of climbing the same mountain.

[Ty]

Yeah. We're all going on the same. I think our souls, they know more than we do.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Our soul know that. Okay, guys, everyone, yeah, sure, you're this, you're that, but shut up or go keep going up because that's what we're all going to the same, the same thing. Which I think is why, like it's so interesting that, that we've gotten to a place in society where you can say I'm a psychic and I'm a Christian, I'm a psychic and I'm, you know, it's a great place. I think, like I said, I think we're like reiki's in hospitals. 20 years ago, never would have happened. Zero back job, get out of here. So it kind of shows that we are spiritually.

[Kate]

Hopefully it's because the younger generations are coming up, you know, or maybe, I don't know, becoming more open minded or something, who knows?

[Ty]

But you know, hopefully we keep.

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[Linda]

Mental health right? We talk about it a lot more now. It's way different than it was 20 years ago. Because you didn't talk about it, right? Yeah, I mean, I remember, you know, the first therapist I had was like 25 minutes outside of town and you know, was that the only therapist available? I'm thinking probably not. But was it, you know, good that your child is seeing a therapist and in your town and people can see that? I don't know if that had anything to do with it or not.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Linda]

But you know, it's just one of those things. It wasn't accepted, it wasn't spoken about. We don't talk about that. We, you know, stiff upper lip kind of thing. But now get a lot of demonization.

[Ty]

Like, do people like really, they, they, they.

[Linda]

Oh, literally. I've had people call me Satan.

[Ty]

God, I hate that.

[Linda]

I actually had a guy that I knew from high school. His wife was on Facebook and she was calling me like Satan and telling me it was the devil's work and whatever.

[Kate]

And I said, like, was she messaging? And she said, or like commenting or. She was straight up messaging you this?

[Linda]

And she said something like, have you read the Bible? And I said, actually, yes, have you?

[Kate]

Right, right.

[Ty]

Have you read it?

[Linda]

That whole part about not throwing stones. There's prophets in the Bible. There's, you know. And I said, I'm not going to have this conference. I didn't even know her. She just happened to marry somebody I knew. Right.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And then she went on her husband's, the guy that I knew from high school on his Facebook so she could continue to message me.

[Ty]

So that right there is what I'm saying. The, the, the, the. The passionate, the passion, intensity to just demonize. What is the re. Why?

[Linda]

Because people are more concerned with being right than listening to another point of view being right. It's the fear thing again. Right. Because there's some. There's power in being right.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Think about how many people never admit their mistakes. Especially, like in a business world. They're going to blame someone else or they're going to gaslight you, but they're not going to admit that they made a mistake, which is the worst mistake you can make. Because I think as a leader, when you say I screwed up, you teach communication.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And you teach. You know what? Don't sweep this under the rug.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

If something happens, tell me. We'll figure it out.

[Ty]

Well, I think what it does is it humanizes people. And I think that's what we need to connect in a way that will cross beliefs and all that stuff. It's just, you're a human, I'm a human. So it's like that's. I mean, I think we need people to stop worrying so much about being right and worry more about. I always say, like, we need to, like, listen to understand instead of always listening to reply, which I'm. I need to. I work on that. Tell myself that all the time.

[Linda]

Because I've been working on that a lot over the last 10 years myself.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

But it is, it's nature and it's. Again, the world teaches you to be afraid. Be afraid of not being enough. Be afraid of being too much or not be afraid of not fitting in. Be afraid of, you know, fill in the blank.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

But instead it should teach you to just be who you are.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Because I feel like. And I talked about this a little bit, whatever your passions were as a child, weren't you doing them Anymore.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Because I believe that as children, we are more like who we were meant to be before the world changed.

[Kate]

Mine was animals. I need a farm.

[Linda]

Yep. Okay. We all knew that. But.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Tell you.

[Kate]

Mine was animals. Yup.

[Linda]

We're most like who we were meant to be.

[Ty]

Which is crazy because when I was younger, I was just. I love storytelling in any way I could. I'd watch a movie over and over again. I would repeat the movie to people.

[Kate]

I would.

[Ty]

It was just something I always like to do. But I think it's interesting because I think in Real Highways. Okay. I'm like. I think it's funny because I think we're all just grown up children pretending to be adults.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

How we are, how we think, adult children.

[Linda]

I feel like if we're doing it right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

You know what I mean?

[Ty]

It's like, it's like we've been. We've. It's like you're. We're all. It's like we're all these adults, but we're. In my opinion, like, I just think we're all just grown, adult children having to act like we're adults. We're really all just children.

[Kate]

I mean, I get it.

[Ty]

You know what I'm saying?

[Kate]

I feel like that's why some adults, they always say, like, oh, he's a child at heart, because he'll be like.

[Linda]

The young at heart. I think that's what keeps you young.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

But I think when you're young at heart, you also understand you still have a lot to learn.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And I feel like until the day we die, we still have a lot to learn if we're willing.

[Ty]

Right.

[Kate]

I have a good question for you, actually. When you are around people or like kids, and you can tell that they are old souls, do you think that those are, like, souls that have been here multiple times or what's your opinion of that?

[Linda]

I do think there's souls who have been here multiple times. Times. I call it a soul maturity. Just like soul ancestry. Right. Soul ancestry is different than your ancestry. Right. It's who you've been with in the past, where you've been in the past.

[Ty]

Your soul tribe.

[Linda]

Your soul tribe. Exactly. Because you do this with people over and over again in different relationships. Like, you guys might have been brother and sister, and in another life, you might have been both brothers in another life. But the old souls, I feel like, honestly, those are the people I worry most about, because children. There are more children, I think, born these days that are empaths and old Souls, and they have so much feeling that they can't decipher if it's their feelings or if they're picking up feelings from the people around you. And children, if they can feel how you're feeling, they feel like they're supposed to fix it.

[Ty]

Right.

[Kate]

See, that's our.

[Linda]

To us.

[Ty]

I mean. And I always got told as a child that you're such an old soul. You're so wise. You know what I mean? You ever have adults telling you that.

[Linda]

Like, that as a child, you were always trying to make everybody around you feel better?

[Ty]

Yeah. It's kind of crazy when you think about it, because, I mean, we both got told that all the time growing up. It was. You're so wise. Oh, my God. I remember being a young kid and being like, I don't.

[Kate]

And that's our Nova. And so that's why I'm like.

[Ty]

I'm curious.

[Kate]

I'm like, I wonder if. Why kids, you know, even when they're really, literally like, wow, they're an old soul, you know, you can just.

[Linda]

I think it's just so important to one let them know that just because they can feel it doesn't mean they're supposed to fix it.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

I think that's important for us to tell her, too, because it took me to being like an adult to actually learn to tell myself that I was in my 50s. Right.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And she is. I mean, she is a major empath.

[Linda]

Oh, yeah, Absolutely. I mean, you can see it in her.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

I mean, she's such a.

[Ty]

And me and her will have. And I. And. And people will. They criticize me all the time for it. But I'll never apologize for having honest, deep conversations with her, because I really believe that children are more fluid and more close to that. That realm than we are. So I think we have a lot to learn from them because they are. They're fresh from that side. They just came in. They're. We're older and more conditioned from society. You know, we have all these things and these. These opinions and whatever, and they're just not. They're fluid. And so I think we can learn a lot more from kids.

[Linda]

Well. And I don't think Nova would accept anything less from you either. You know what I mean?

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

She'd be like, what are you doing? Yes. Yes.

[Kate]

Oh, yeah. They get into some talk. Talk. Sometimes I'm like, I'm checking out.

[Ty]

Talking about stars and starships.

[Linda]

So I feel like that's part of the old soul, teaching that. Also teaching them how to protect their own energy. Yeah. And create, like a boundary. I've taught this to people in my family. I teach it in my workshops. Like how to create a boundary so that you can identify and really stop when you recognize feelings coming from other people. Those are not yours. Right. They shouldn't. You have to learn how to not let that affect your energy and that you can control your energy. Because it's really hard as an empath. Somebody's angry. Not to get scared if somebody's loud, not to feel like, okay, then I need to live small. What that person is doing should have no impact on what you're doing or.

[Kate]

How you start to feel.

[Linda]

Exactly. And it really does. So it takes some time to teach them that.

[Ty]

It always reminds me of, like, you know, like, you can't allow people to be a parasite for your, for your energy. And I think it's a path that's hard. It sounds, and it sounds cool, but it's super important. Self preservation.

[Linda]

This is how you become a doormat.

[Ty]

Yeah. Right, right.

[Linda]

And this is how you become a child who's constantly trying to make everybody feel better to your own detriment.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Because you feel like, again, I'm supposed to fix it.

[Ty]

And I think that can be almost amplified by, you know, nurture. Like, how are you raised? If you're raised, I mean, like for Kate, for example, if you're already have this intuitive feeling of like, you know, picking up feelings and then, you know, your mom being unpredictable and alcoholic, I mean, that only adds to the. I'm gonna, I need to be a doormat to just like, fix everybody and keep everything well.

[Linda]

Yeah. And it's like you kind of want to be under the radar so that you don't have attention on you, and you learn to live under the radar and you learn to just keep everything copacetic.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Nothing goes off the handle, you know?

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Ty]

Which is more like, it's like a.

[Linda]

Survival strategy, a term, a coping mechanism.

[Ty]

Because I think the term empath, I think, I think I've heard it a lot more in the recent, you know, decade, whatever. And it always makes me think about how do we define, like, empath versus what are the four other ones? I can't remember what the four other personalities.

[Kate]

Yeah, there was a bunch of different.

[Ty]

Ones, which is interesting to me because I'm like, I don't even know. What am I?

[Linda]

Right.

[Ty]

We don't know what you are either. Like, I, I, I feel like I, I try to be as, as empathetic as I possibly can not That I had to try hard at it.

[Kate]

Well, no, like, you're empathic. You're empathetic, but then you have a limit, like when people aren't starting to do stuff to help themselves or. But then he's kind of like, I do.

[Ty]

I get a little. I get frustrated with the. With the. With the lack of desire to elevate, and it bothers me. You know what I'm saying? Like what?

[Linda]

Absolutely.

[Kate]

So, yeah, I understand that.

[Ty]

I'm working on it, but I think.

[Linda]

It'S a lot of. To, you know, with you growing up, of being the person who makes everything okay. You couldn't make everything okay, and you took that on yourself. So I'm hearing. Anyway. Do you have a grandmother who's passed.

[Ty]

Yes, I do.

[Linda]

Yeah. So you took it on yourself.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And then it became almost like your failure in your own mind.

[Ty]

Like a. Like a. Like a failure to myself?

[Linda]

Yeah. Like you failed at something you were supposed to do, even though that was never something you were supposed to do.

[Ty]

Which is so strange.

[Linda]

But it's true.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Right.

[Ty]

That's great. Well, I never met her, so I don't know.

[Linda]

That's okay.

[Ty]

Yeah. She died before I was ever born.

[Linda]

Yeah. No, she's been watching. And it's something that you've just always been, like, responsible.

[Ty]

Interesting.

[Linda]

But you've taken on the obligation that wasn't yours to take on because somebody else wasn't weird. So you've picked up everybody else's slack. Fix it. You got very frustrated.

[Ty]

Yeah, frustrated, Exactly. That's what I feel with other people. I'm like, what is going on? I've talked to you.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

For myself, even some of my own friends. I'm like, dude, we've had this conversation. We just had it last week during that breakdown. I told you what I.

[Linda]

You.

[Ty]

I want my advice. And then, you know, take the advice. And then I'm like, what are you doing? And.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And then, like I said, yeah, I feel like. And I try to work on it because I feel horrible that I can feel the empathy drain. For me, it's. If you could, like, take a plug from a water bottle and watch it. That's exactly what it feels like where it's like, they'll say something. Yeah. It's gone. Like. And I work on it because I don't. I never not want. I never don't want to have empathy for somebody, you know? So it's like I feel that drain.

[Linda]

Come out, but it's finding that. That limit. Right. Because you didn't Have a limit growing up.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And so now it's almost like it scares you a little bit. Like, I can't take this on. I can't take anything else on. I don't know why you're not taking this on. You know what I mean?

[Kate]

Especially with family.

[Ty]

Yeah. And then. And I get to a point where I'm like, I just can't be. I can't even be around you for a little bit because it's. I think that's. And that's self preservation because I feel like I, like, cannot even. I can't allow you to come in like a parasite and take the energy from me. I feel it. I sense it. So. And I think people are like, oh, you're so cold that people cut people off. And it's like. I don't look at it like cutting, but off. It's more like a. My soul needs a break.

[Linda]

Yeah, you really do get invested. And again, it's. It's. It. It's almost like a failure.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And you're like, they're failing, but in a way, it's like they're not listening to you. And you really want to help them, but you can't help them because they won't help themselves. And. And then it's like, I can't do it.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Well, it gets exhausting.

[Linda]

It's totally exhausting.

[Ty]

Yeah, it's very exhausting. Yeah, it's very. It's emotionally, but I think it's.

[Linda]

It's. You have a really good thing going with it for me. I wrote about this in my book, actually. I wrote about finding out what codependent means. I'd heard it a lot, but I didn't know what it meant. The small group I was in at the facility we were at, he pulled out a list of you might be codependent if questions. And I was like this. And he goes, what? And I'm like, I'm codependent as fuck.

[Kate]

Right. I'm like all of these. Literally.

[Linda]

I had no idea. But I'm like, check, check.

[Ty]

Codependent as fuck.

[Linda]

I love it. And then I really didn't know how to draw that line because I didn't want to be that person who didn't care.

[Ty]

Yes. Right.

[Linda]

So how do I. How am I okay to sleep at night? Right. But also stop being codependent and stopping everybody's doormat.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Linda]

And I finally figured out that if I'm trying harder for you than you're trying for you, that's where I have to draw the line. And That I was comfortable with.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

No, that makes sense, because it was a place, but it. You know, it's a hard habit to break.

[Kate]

So hard.

[Linda]

But I do believe that part of what you're doing is that, like, I can't do this for you.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

But I feel like you've been there before. I can't do this for you. I can't do this for you. I can't do this for you over and over again. And you're waiting, and it's like, why aren't you doing this for yourself?

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

If I can see it, how come you can't see it?

[Ty]

Right. It's like, I don't understand, and I don't get it.

[Linda]

It's triggering, I think, as much as anything.

[Ty]

Yeah. Because I think I've spent a lot of time in my own. You know what I mean? Emotions. Trying to figure them all out. And then when you come to me with. Trying to. You know, and then I'm like, oh, I'm really. I'm grateful that you're coming to me with this thing. And. Yeah. And then you're not listening. A lot of times, my family members, my sisters, but specifically, it's just certain things where it's like. And then people will criticize you for being so cold and cutting people off. And it's like, am I. Am I not empathetic? Because I don't care that much that I had to cut you off, like, because it feels like, well, I'm sorry that I had to cut you off, but you're. You're. Right now, at this moment in time, you feel like a parasite to me, and I can't.

[Linda]

You know, And I think it's important when people are asking you to fix things that they're supposed to be fixing.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Because you're also a very good person, and I think it's easy to take advantage of that. And I think it's important that you draw that line. I mean, I think obviously, you want to do it with love and just, like, care.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

It's like, I hope things get better for you.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

But you can't keep beating your head against a wall, Right?

[Ty]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Don't you see a lot? It's like, they don't listen to, like, people don't ask you questions.

[Kate]

Well, and I think, like, you know, even, like, being with Tyler for all these years and stuff, I've seen things, you know, just pass within his family, like he has with me, and we talk about those things because I feel like, as partners, like, when you can bring things to each other's awareness. It helps you grow a lot. Like, you can see that's why you.

[Linda]

Guys are the way you are.

[Kate]

Yeah. And like, for instance, for him, I noticed this. This dynamic between him, his sister and his mom, where it was like. Like Tyler had to be the fixer all the time. They had.

[Ty]

Almost unconsciously, it felt like too. Like it.

[Kate]

No, but it wasn't like that or like, you know, Amber's having struggles. Like, you need. Can you help her? We got to give her money. We got to do this, we got to do that. I'm having struggles. We need this. It was like, always, like, Ty was meant to fix it, and so it's good. And. And thankfully he was, like, honest with his mom and someone said, like, this is how I feel. This is what. And so they've, you know, she's listened to the boundaries a lot and she has been kind of like, okay, you're right, I'm not. You know what I mean? But, yeah, he's always had to be the. The fixer, which is funny because so was I. Yeah.

[Ty]

No, in a different way. I think we fixed differently, which I think is a thing where I'm a little more aggressive, a little more, like, abrasive. And I think you're more just, like, soft and about it. No, I wouldn't say, because that's one thing. When you talk about the doormat. I've never felt like a doormat ever.

[Kate]

No, I think I was.

[Ty]

No, I know, but I think we do things a little differently. It's almost like. But see, I'm over here trying to learn. I would love to adopt some of her abilities to be able to be softer and just like, why am I allowing this person to literally, like, infect my own feelings? It's crazy. I say, and I always tell myself, they will not have the power. Today. It's not. So today's where it's all done. Because I feel like I can exchange power back and forth with you and we can do this exchange. And it feels balanced and it feels good the moment it starts feeling one sided. Yeah. I'm like, all right, I. I'm done. I'm all. I'm all out. But I. I don't. I worked. I worked hard on not feeling guilty for that because I think that that's what it comes down to.

[Linda]

Well, and I feel like it's important for you to. To draw that boundary. And, yeah, you can do it a little bit differently and make you feel better about it, but it doesn't mean the boundary is wrong.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

You know, and it doesn't mean it's unimportant.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And I feel like it, you know, right now, it. Sometimes it's hard to be a good person because people will just use that.

[Kate]

It's a scary world, isn't it?

[Linda]

It is a little.

[Ty]

Well, there's a little scary discourse and there is. And there's hate for things that just don't make.

[Linda]

There's so much conflict where there doesn't need to be.

[Kate]

That's a whole nother situation.

[Ty]

But I think it's important if we could. If we can just remind ourselves and people listening. I try to want to like get to the point where we say this almost every episode where it's like, I know we have lately. Just please, like find an opportunity to be kind today to a stranger, to anybody, to an animal. I don't care what it is, but you need to tap in. And just.

[Kate]

Because at least one thing kind.

[Ty]

Something kind. That's. That's not.

[Kate]

We do say that the past episodes we're like, there needs to be more kindness.

[Ty]

There does. Because people are so quick to jump to hatred and criticism and that I'm all. What I'm seeing is that stuff that is hatred and criticism filled is getting more attention and it's getting more.

[Linda]

And that's where the money is.

[Ty]

I know.

[Linda]

So that's why, you know, I feel like the. The media, the news, everything, you know, what makes the news. It's not the feel good stories, it's the tragedies.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

And I feel like, you know, I did a post on Facebook and it was probably like seven or eight years ago, but I think it still applies. If we decided to go for a day or a week or a month without saying they.

[Ty]

Right. Powerful. Yeah.

[Linda]

Right. Because they is never one group of people who is all the same regardless of which political party you. Not all Republicans are the same. Not all Democrats are the same. They're all individual people with their own different thoughts and their own different spectrums on where they lie. The minute you go to they, you've homogenized the entire group and taken any individuality out of it and any positivity out of it.

[Ty]

Yeah. And I feel like just the hate is just Is more. It's more attractive for.

[Linda]

It's accepted.

[Ty]

It's so.

[Linda]

And it's like expectations now I'm like, we.

[Ty]

I wish like we need Mr. Rogers. Where's Mr.

[Linda]

Rogers when you need him?

[Ty]

Adult Facebook. Mr. Rogers for adults or something. Because we need that kind of, like, influence in. Because right now it's like seeing so much. And I, I was gonna ask you, does that. Do you. Do you find that certain climates and culture, politically, whatever. Do you sense that? Like, like, can you sense it?

[Linda]

You know, I sense more in my clients that are sensitive, that are intuitive, and a lot of them are as you imagine. They're the people that are interested in this.

[Ty]

Right. Right.

[Linda]

In this work and, and believe in it. But there's a heaviness.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

You know, because people who are watching the news, again, whatever your political affiliation, the conflict is ridiculous. The hatred thing, I think both sides finger pointing. Absolutely. And it, I feel like it, It. It just creates heaviness. And I feel like that, again, the more it's important to be right than it is to listen and maybe evolve.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

That's where we get into trouble.

[Kate]

I was gonna say that's what.

[Ty]

But I think it's interesting, though, because if you, if you're. You can't grow, nothing evolves in comfort. So you have to be comfortable being uncomfortable. And it's okay if this opposing person has a different view. Like, you need to just. It's. You don't have to challenge it to be right. Just sit.

[Kate]

Just.

[Ty]

It's a lot.

[Linda]

Sometimes I think it's a way for people to take control over their lives. Right. They can't control anything else, but they control how they feel about this and how vocal they are about how they dislike that. And I feel like as much as. As some people will say, it's as much about what's going on in the rest of their life as it is on that particular topic. It just gives them something convenient to funnel it out.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Right, right. Which is so kind of like a target.

[Linda]

Yeah. We should stop being each other's targets. Yeah. I mean, honestly.

[Ty]

Well, we're wasting time. I think, people. We're here for a limited amount of time in this experience before we come back and do it all over again. Don't waste it.

[Linda]

What a waste.

[Ty]

By just doing it and operating in the space. And I even think with. With us being on TV and just online, it just becomes so normal for people to just see a hateful thing and actually like the comment. I always thought that was really interesting. When I see a cruel comment. I've never got thousands of likes. I'm like, who. Who's reading what, you stupid ass die? And they're liking it.

[Linda]

Yeah. Like, how does that make you feel? Better?

[Kate]

I don't know. I don't.

[Linda]

I don't I don't. I don't get it either, which is, you know, being y' all and. And being in the public. Either way that you are. The assumptions that people make that they know anything going on, a lot of them are laughable. Oh, I. It's. It's just kind of like, really, you know this.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

I have to think about it when somebody else. Else tells you that they know it.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

They don't.

[Kate]

No, they don't.

[Linda]

And that's true with you guys, but with also a lot of other stuff out there that's being posted, it's like, put your thinking hat on.

[Ty]

Right. Right.

[Linda]

And recognize that, you know, Joe's.com is probably not like, the best source of quality information and maybe go do some research.

[Kate]

True. Going back to your. Your gift, too, I had two more questions that I was interested in, one of them being like, I'm sure as a medium, you probably hear very intense stories, hard stories. Very. Like, just really not good, hard things. What do you do as, like, a medium to not take that home with you or to release that energy and stuff? Like, what kind of do you do?

[Linda]

So that's a really good question, because I was actually afraid when I started doing this. Like, am I going to be able to do this? At one point, I was going to major in psychology in college, but I knew it would kill me.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Because I get so involved. Right. One of the things I do is I pray before every reading that the reading is a blessing for my client, but it's also a blessing for me. And it's been. I kind of go to this. I call it the in between space. I don't know. It's quite eloquent. Right. But it's not here, but it's not there, but it's somewhere in between, which is why I don't remember readings five minutes after I give them. I record them for my clients, and then I'll go back and listen on occasion, because I got nothing. But I feel like I am protected. Like my guides, my angels, the people who come through. For me, it's almost like I have, like, a protective sheath over my nervous system. Right. And it just feels like every once in a while, something will get through, and I'll be like, okay, I'm crying. This is not good. I've had brief. The briefest of moments of what heaven is like in terms of the feeling, and it was so overwhelming, I literally burst into tears. Because most of the time, I don't think we're supposed to see that, you know? Or understand what that's like. But it is really interesting that that will happen. Like, my daughter was in the hospital for almost two months a couple years ago, and I knew she was getting better because I read the nurse. The nurse came in and I started doing a reading, and I was like, okay. They haven't given me anything since my daughter was admitted. But when I started getting something for the nurse, I knew my daughter was going to be okay.

[Kate]

Oh, wow, Interesting.

[Linda]

So there is a certain amount of protection like, that they provide for me.

[Kate]

Yeah. Because I wasn't sure if there was. If you ever needed to, like, cleanse yourself or something that was so hard for you to hear or witness.

[Linda]

Yeah, I usually at the end of the day will just kind of say, please release any lingering energy or any negative energy, you know, because otherwise, if I don't, like, shut it down, I'll have people with me for days.

[Kate]

Well, that was. My next question is like, how do you tell these spirits to, like, shut up, I'm done for the day. Or we're not talking now.

[Linda]

Basically, when we shut down, I'm like, okay, thank you. I always will say thank you. And that's like my. My closing.

[Kate]

Have you ever had anybody try to, like, tap in, though, Even when you're like, hey, I'm closed post.

[Linda]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not listening to it happen very often, but some people will come through, like, four hours before a reading starts.

[Kate]

Oh, okay.

[Linda]

And I'll be like, okay, it's not time yet. Or they'll come in in the reading before. And I'm like, okay, this isn't your person taking numbers?

[Kate]

Oh, yeah. Like, they're waiting.

[Linda]

It is. It's kind of like, take a number. But yeah, it's. It's. It's interesting.

[Kate]

Learn how to do that. Because I feel like. I don't know, I feel like for me, I'm like, I would. I feel like I would feel like I'm so bombarded by all these people trying to talk to me.

[Linda]

Well, I was lucky in that they. They didn't do too much of that. I mean, I have gotten, you know, readings where, like, I know if I recognize. If the waitress looks familiar, I'm probably going to read her. Oh, that's just the way it works. But some of my best moments have been reading random people.

[Ty]

Oh, wow.

[Linda]

I mean, I remember one. It was actually at a restaurant that was real close to where I used to live in la. And I read the waiter, and then as I was walking out, another waiter came up because he had gone and told him. And he said, can I get your card or something? And I gave him my card and I said, what's November? And he started crying.

[Ty]

Oh.

[Linda]

And I said, your grandmother? And he said, yes. He said she was the only one accepted me when I came out. And I wanted her to know. I wanted to know if she knew I was getting married in November. Oh, wow.

[Kate]

Weird.

[Linda]

And I never heard from him because he didn't need to. Wow. Because that was all he needed. And she said something I totally like. That touched my heart so much. I will never forget it. And it was just two minutes.

[Kate]

Wow.

[Linda]

But it was so meaningful and for him and for me.

[Kate]

Right. Gosh, that's got to be so just, like, moving for you.

[Linda]

It really is. I mean, I consider myself extremely blessed because, again, it has helped me heal, to help others heal.

[Kate]

Oh, I bet.

[Linda]

And I feel like people can tell. Like, if you go to a therapist who's never had any trauma in their life, like, you can tell. Oh, yeah, you can, right?

[Kate]

You're like, this ain't gonna work.

[Ty]

I was like, I got it. I got it. And I was like, I gotta get out of here.

[Linda]

But a lot of people tell me, like, they've tried therapy. It doesn't work. They come to me instead, which is. I mean, it's a big responsibility. Yeah. Because I don't ever want to hurt anybody. I always want to try to do good. But it's. You know, I've had several people tell me that they were going to take their own lives until they talked to me.

[Kate]

Wow.

[Linda]

And that's something that I'm not worthy of that. Like, that's how I know I'm being helped. Because I can't do that. Right.

[Kate]

It's something bigger than you.

[Linda]

Absolutely.

[Ty]

Well, I think it's your trust in the divine. You. You literally, when you talk about praying before readings, I mean, you're armoring divine armor. You're putting it on and you're laying it, and you're having this. Them help you do it. And that's how you. I mean, stay protected. Which is what. What a beautiful relationship to have with the divine. Be able to do that.

[Linda]

It is pretty amazing. And I, you know, I pray every day.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And it's something that I see every time I do one of these readings. And these. These things come up that I couldn't possibly know. I'm really lucky in that I see faith at work.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Every time I do a reading.

[Ty]

Right.

[Linda]

So I'm not one of those people that just has to hope it exists, you know?

[Ty]

Right, right.

[Linda]

Because I have proof all the time.

[Ty]

What a blessing.

[Linda]

Yeah. It seriously is.

[Ty]

It's peaceful, like immense peace.

[Linda]

Yeah. I still don't believe I'm worthy of the gift. And I just always hope that I do right by it.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And see, I'm telling you, that's because they gave somebody who is such a beautiful person with a beautiful heart an amazing gift. And I make me cry and I feel like that's like. I feel like just people that I have met that have had these gifts. They are though. They are these beautiful people that just love so deeply and intensely and want to better the world. Like, I love you, friend.

[Linda]

I love you. I have since the day we met.

[Kate]

I know same.

[Linda]

I can't believe it's been as long as it's been.

[Ty]

This is one of my. I say divine intervention. Like, this is. There's a reason you went to the same place. You were going through the same thing. There's a reason why you went to that specific facility and you got tapped in there and you continue that. I was going to ask you, what do you. What is your advice or suggestion to people who may think they have a specific gift or may think, you know what I mean, that are absolutely. What would you tell them?

[Linda]

So there's a couple things. First of all, don't be afraid of it. You can control, like what you say, I want energies of light. Light. I do not want energies of darkness. You can say that. You can turn it off. If you're being bombarded, just say, no, I don't want any more of this. And that's one of the things I teach in the workshop. And there are other people out there that. That teach this. And if you want guidance, find somebody, whether it's me or somebody else. You know, there are people out there and trust your instincts and who you talk to. Right. It's. It's like I've gotten to a point where it just kicks in naturally for me. I see a picture of somebody and I'll be like, nope. Yep.

[Ty]

Oh, wow.

[Linda]

Right.

[Ty]

Okay. So it's. That's that quick.

[Linda]

It's instant.

[Ty]

You're intuitive. Was like, exactly.

[Linda]

But I think all of us have that. So again, right. Look at the picture and say, okay, does this feel right?

[Ty]

I agree. And then seeing people, I'm just like. And I. And I. And I was almost feel guilty because I'm not giving them the DNA or space to, like, know who they are. But I swear.

[Linda]

But you have to trust your instincts. You have to.

[Kate]

So for other people, too, that do feel like they have this gift, but you're saying, like, there are people out there that what can help you or.

[Ty]

Teach you, and how does that work?

[Linda]

So I do workshops, and they're just. They're over zoom. And I teach people how to, you know, it's a set of two different workshops, and I teach people how to do that. We do lots of exercises with each other. So they're seeing their own gifts. And it's one of the favorite things I do only because I get to watch people the moment they're impressed with themselves. And that does not happen enough in the sense world.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

To be able to witness enlightenment how I did this. And they're proud because they realize, okay, there's no way I could have known that.

[Ty]

Right.

[Kate]

And they're, like, figuring, yes.

[Linda]

And that's why I do a lot of exercises, because I don't want it to be, like, me talking.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

I mean, I'm nice and all, but, you know, I'm boring. So it's like you just want to be able to. To practice. So if you don't have anybody to kind of practice with or. Or, you know, want to sign up for a workshop, whatever. Pay attention to the random things that come into your head. So the whole thing with messages come in your own voice. Why are you thinking about this person now? Why are you thinking about this? The more you pay attention to it. It's like, before every reading, I have my clients set an intention for the reading. I never ask them what it is. I'll ask them at the end so they can ask any questions. But usually 99.9% of the time we get to the end of the reading, all their questions have been answered before they ask them. But set the intention that you want to hear more. And the more you start paying attention, you're literally setting the intention. Like, tell me more. I want to hear more. I'm. I'm paying attention to it.

[Ty]

Yeah. Ready to receive it. Yeah.

[Linda]

Yes, exactly. Oftentimes, if you're struggling with something and you feel like you have a gift, write it down before you go to bed. Here's what I'm struggling with. Ask for help. And then when you wake up in the morning, just write down the first thing that comes to mind, like, not after you've gone and gotten your coffee. Literally right when you open your eyes. Because often, like I said, they'll come to you in your dreams or at night while you're sleeping. And that's a way to Tap in another way is. In a weird way, some people, it's like water is a great medium and their gifts kind of expand in the water. If you get a lot of ideas in the shower, if you're thinking about something and it just comes to you when you're in a pool, in the ocean, next to a creek, water can be very much a medium.

[Kate]

What is it with water?

[Ty]

I know it's because we're made up of it. The earth's man. I mean, hello, we are literally. We are.

[Linda]

I know me.

[Kate]

We are so calming.

[Ty]

We are cellular levelly connected to it.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

We wouldn't even be walking around. Organisms without.

[Linda]

Can really help but find those places where you can be and where you can just listen. For some people, it's in the woods. For some people, it's on a hike.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

So it comes back.

[Ty]

Like, my best place for me is in the woods by a creek. If I can hear trickling water and be surrounded by trees.

[Linda]

Yeah. Happy man.

[Ty]

I don't need anything else. That's all I need. But yeah. So is there any place to avoid? Is there any, like, scam? I know there's a lot of scam, you know, I mean, there's scammers out there that call, you know, so is there any place to avoid?

[Linda]

Okay, so the. The couple of warning signs I would say is like, I tell people, don't tell me anything, right? I don't want to know anything. And I'll ask questions like, you know, I feel like I've got your father here. Is this, you know, has your father passed? Or, you know, does he also have a brother who's passed? I'll ask questions like that because that's what I'm getting. But I'm giving you something before I'm asking you, right? This is what I'm getting. If somebody just keeps asking questions, right. That's not a good sign.

[Ty]

So instead. So they're keep asking questions instead of just telling you what.

[Linda]

Yeah, you're basically. They're telling you what you've already told them.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

Okay, so that's definitely one thing. Anybody who makes you come more than once. Like, I have clients that come every month because they want to. Right. But if somebody asks me how often should I come, I tell them, go with your gut.

[Ty]

Yeah, Right.

[Linda]

Like, if you feel like some people come to me every year for their birthday, you know, some people will come to me every four years. You know, it just. It depends on you. I have people reach out to me, you know, two seconds after their people have passed. And we did this once. It was like 12 hours, I think, when a friend of yours had passed and I ended up talking to the significant other of your friend. But I always say, I'm here. Yeah, you need to feel right with it. You need to be ready for it. So trust your own instincts. And again, if somebody makes you come more than once, then there's something wrong. You shouldn't have to come more than once to anything.

[Kate]

Weren't you the one that told me too, that he had two sons? I think you were when we were talking about him. I'll have to tell you some off camera about that.

[Linda]

Oh.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah. Crazy. It's. Yeah, I hear.

[Linda]

I hear things after readings that are.

[Kate]

Oh, I bet. Because sometimes it doesn't click for the person or. You know what I mean?

[Linda]

Yeah. One of my favorite stories is I was. I said somebody, I'm like, are you going to Egypt? And she's like, I have no desire to go to Egypt. I'm like, I don't know. I just see like Egyptian stuff around you. Three months later, she emailed me. She goes, I'm on my first ever business trip to Vegas and I'm staying at the one that's. Yes, yes, that's all about Egypt. She said, I walked in and I'm like, egypt, this is Phoenician. Yeah, that's funny. And so, yeah, I was laughing because that's one of the things I call random references. And that's the other thing that you should experience where I call them random references, because I don't know what else to call them. And I'll give you a couple of examples in a minute, but they're the things that are just outrageous, like, just random. I don't know what else to call it, but literally, like, I've. One. One of my favorite examples was I was doing a reading for someone on the phone, and at the end of the reading I said, I'm sorry, but I have to ask you, what's with vanilla wafers? I keep seeing this box of vanilla wafers. She goes, oh, my God, I ate a whole box of them before we got on the phone. I'm like, oops, sorry. But then I had this.

[Ty]

Not significant, but it's relevant, right?

[Linda]

Yeah, it's. It doesn't mean anything except it shows that they're seeing her.

[Ty]

Right?

[Kate]

Well, and it shows. And it, like, it's almost like a way of spirit clarifying. Like everything you said to them is true.

[Linda]

Exactly. And coming from them and not from me. Like, I'm a nice person and everything, but nobody sets up a reading. Talk to me.

[Kate]

Right.

[Linda]

Like they want to talk to other people. I remember this other woman we were talking about, I said, are you moving? They were considering this new house. And I said, it's like this whole vista is opening up for you. And I said, why is there a giraffe walking through your vista? Because all of a sudden, this giraffe was. And she goes, oh, right next to the house we're thinking of buying is a safari park. We go feed the giraffes all the time.

[Ty]

Oh, weird.

[Linda]

So that's why I call them random. Because I had, like, frogs, licorice, cotton balls, burnt toast. Random things. But they always mean something, right?

[Kate]

Yep. They mean something to the individual.

[Linda]

So if you don't have something like that that comes up, that. That hits close, there should be things, like.

[Ty]

Connection.

[Linda]

Yeah. There should be things like where it's.

[Kate]

Only something you would know. Like, nobody else would know this in the world that my grandma liked burnt toast. Something weird.

[Linda]

Exactly.

[Ty]

Yeah. Do you ever send stuff, right. When you walk into a room with people? Is it a waiting room? Is it go to a doctor's office? You ever, like. You know what I'm saying? I was.

[Kate]

Or do you shut it off or make sure it's shut off?

[Linda]

So I do. Like, I've had that happen at lax.

[Kate]

I've.

[Linda]

It happened because it. And it's like, I feel like when I get stuff, I'm supposed to pass it along right. To the strange lady sitting next to me that I don't know, which I did. And I have had, like, a massive movie star was on a plane next to me, and I was like, you have got to be kidding.

[Ty]

Not today.

[Linda]

They wanted me to, and I did. Because I was like, okay. Because I feel it's. You know, I feel like that's my obligation. Right. If they're sharing something with me, I'm supposed to.

[Kate]

Especially if you have it shut off and they're jumping in there anyway.

[Linda]

Exactly, exactly. But they've never had me approach someone because, like, ladies at the nail salon, like, it happens all the time, like, random things. But they've never had me approach someone who wasn't open to hearing it because they've never put me in that position.

[Ty]

Spirit knows. Yeah.

[Linda]

Yeah. One of my other favorite stories is it was. It was, like, right before Thanksgiving one year, and I was getting money at cash out of the atm, and I heard, like, a hundred dollars of this you're giving away. And I was like, okay. And Then the next day, literally, I was getting directions, like, turn right, turn left, turn right. I was like, what are you.

[Kate]

Yeah, because I was curious.

[Linda]

I'm like, yeah, what is this about? And then I heard that there'll be a lady at a bus stop at the next street. And I turned the corner and I didn't even know where I was at this point. I mean, I lived in the town, but I'd never been to that particular area of the town. Sure enough, there was a lady sitting by herself at the bus stop.

[Ty]

That's crazy.

[Linda]

Like, give her the hundred dollars. And so I went up and I said, as your father passed away. And she said, yes. And I said, he wanted you to have this. And I gave her the hundred dollars and I left.

[Ty]

And you never know, because that hundred dollars could have been the. The difference between her not getting rent or anything.

[Linda]

Anything.

[Ty]

So that is just. That's crazy.

[Linda]

It was something like super specific. That's the only time I've gotten full on directions. Yeah, it was crazy because they're like, okay, after this bus, because I couldn't see anything because there's a big bus in front of me. And they're like, after this bus, you know, you're gonna see this woman. And the bus passed by and I saw the woman. I was like, okie dokie.

[Kate]

Wow.

[Ty]

And you just trusted it. I mean, that's.

[Kate]

Do you.

[Linda]

Do you.

[Ty]

Do, like, do you sense anything right now? Is there anything happening right now? I'm like, we're sitting here, we're talking like, oh.

[Linda]

So I did want to ask you something, and it feels kind of random. You know, I got your grandmother who came through earlier. It says. I feel like she. She's like, you need support here. Like you. You've. You've needed a champion.

[Ty]

Yeah, okay.

[Linda]

That's how she's putting it. Do you have a male who's closer to your age who's passed? Yes, because he was coming through yesterday.

[Ty]

Really? Interesting.

[Linda]

And it's interesting because I feel like. I don't know if he wasn't necessarily always the best influence or if he was traveling down a path that was difficult.

[Ty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Linda]

But he. He feels like he owes you an apology and also a thank you.

[Ty]

Wow. Really?

[Linda]

It's crazy because I feel like he didn't always. He wasn't always the best friend.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

But he expected that friendship from you.

[Ty]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Linda]

And he's really proud of you.

[Ty]

Oh, wow, that's good. That's great.

[Linda]

But he was. I feel like there weren't A lot of people that he trusted.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And let in. And you were one of those people. But I feel like he might have pushed you away or he was.

[Ty]

He was distant. He's very. He's very distant or whatever. Yeah. I feel like he was very distant. But he. But I felt. I felt a connection with him, obviously. Even though we weren't. I mean, I wouldn't say we are best. Best best friends.

[Linda]

No. But he trusted you.

[Ty]

And that was crazy because it. I think I know you're talking about I.

[Linda]

And.

[Ty]

And that's why it always surprises me so much when I think of him because I. We weren't like best. Best friends, but we had enough connection to where it was significant. So it's like. I don't know why. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's interesting.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Because he wasn't often, though.

[Ty]

I do. And it's. And I think about a lot more than I even say out loud.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

I mean, I'll think about him a lot more.

[Linda]

I think that's why he came through right away.

[Ty]

Interesting.

[Linda]

Because he's almost been again, for him, trust was a big deal.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And he did not. He wasn't very expressive person in terms of, like, this is how I'm feeling. This is who I like. But he wants you to know that.

[Ty]

Wow.

[Linda]

Because.

[Ty]

Thank you.

[Linda]

He just knew instinctively that you were somebody that he could trust.

[Kate]

I hope he knows that we will always be there for his boy.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

You know, I swear.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

We will always be there for her. We will always be there for that boy.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Looks just like you.

[Linda]

He was just gonna say he's like. He's a chip off the old block, but he's much better than I am.

[Ty]

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. He's pretty smart too, Barry.

[Linda]

Yeah. He likes. Picks things up super quick.

[Ty]

Well, that's what. It's funny because he's. I. I was just. I was really just talking to our friend who was with him a while, and I was like. Like we were talking about him a lot and she was. She's in a place of kind of. I feel still a little angry. Whatever. And, you know, she deserves it. Yeah. And I. And I did. And I. And I wrote her. I said. I said. And I was mentioning. I said. But he was so smart without having to try. He was one of those kids who would. Like, he wouldn't even study, but then he would get a B or a. Yeah. What is going on? Like, he was. And yeah. So it was.

[Kate]

We were just applied himself.

[Ty]

Yeah. Like, you know. Yeah.

[Linda]

He was stubborn, too.

[Ty]

He says very. Yes.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And very.

[Linda]

He didn't deserve her.

[Ty]

No.

[Kate]

And I haven't said that. Well, we love him, but we said it. We're like, man, James, but.

[Ty]

But I. But I do think he's. He realized that afterwards.

[Linda]

Yes.

[Ty]

After passing. And he's like, yeah, it's on the other side.

[Linda]

He realized that because he was blind.

[Ty]

He says, yeah, he didn't deserve her. She was way out of his league.

[Linda]

Yeah. No, no. And he was pretty wrapped up in himself.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

He's saying. And he just, like, he didn't deserve the little boy either. Yeah. It was the best thing he ever did.

[Ty]

Yeah. That's interesting.

[Kate]

He was.

[Ty]

Yeah. Because he comes across and I always think a lot because, like, more. More than people who have passed that I was even closer with.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

For some reason.

[Linda]

That was some. There is some sort of connection. And again, crazy. He wasn't. Again, he's apologizing, and he could have been somebody different.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

He really said.

[Linda]

And you are somebody different. And he just. He honors you in that.

[Kate]

Oh, wow.

[Ty]

That's so nice.

[Linda]

Because as a man, as a father, as a husband, as a significant other.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

He wishes he had been more like you.

[Ty]

Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, it's intense. Well.

[Kate]

Wow. You said he came in yesterday.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Linda.

[Linda]

Yeah. You texted me and you're like, do you think you might get something for Tyler? And I'm like, oh, you did? I'm like, actually, I'm pretty sure I just did. And then from that point on, he was coming in. He came in yesterday, and then he was talking to me out there. But. Yeah. Wow.

[Ty]

Yeah, he's.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

It's crazy. And grandma. I think it's interesting because I've only had one grandma pass, and we never met, but she was very, very excited to meet me. My mom told me. She was like. I mean, she passed away, I think, when I was, like, a week old.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Linda]

I was gonna say baby.

[Ty]

Yeah. Like, really? I mean, she was like, yeah. So. But, yeah, she. And she passed with a lot of secrets, a lot of.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Even stuff we still don't know.

[Linda]

I feel like. Did she have any sort of either, like, depression or bipolar or.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Linda]

Because I'm getting a lot of the. They'll give me physical things to tell me about her. There's a lot of heaviness here.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

Which is my sign for mental illness. Some sort of disorder.

[Ty]

Yeah. She did. She struggled hard with it.

[Linda]

That kind of stuff. But she. And it explains why that she was so Excited to meet you. Because she's literally like, you need a champion, and she wanted to be your champion. And she's. Because she can be over there where she couldn't have been here. She wasn't. She didn't have the faculties, the ability to be that kind of person.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And like. Like, wholly behind you. Because she is. I mean, she has been since she passed.

[Ty]

That's crazy. Yeah, because my mom said that she was very, like, she was so excited because she didn't really get to raise my dad.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

So then she was like, oh, my God, you're gonna have a boy. She is. She always thought she. She kept. You know, we didn't know back then, but she thought. And so that's kind of interesting that. Yeah. I never met her, but she. Yeah, she must have felt connection.

[Linda]

Oh, she did. She does.

[Ty]

I'm assuming.

[Linda]

I mean, she's always been there. She's been like your guardian angel.

[Ty]

Wow. Interesting.

[Linda]

Were you almost in a car accident once?

[Ty]

No, not that I. Well, I was. I mean, when I was first. Got my license. Yeah, that's what I was just thinking about.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah. With.

[Ty]

With.

[Kate]

Yes, with him. You were just half talking to you.

[Ty]

Oh, wow.

[Linda]

Okay. So that's. I was like, who's telling me this? I didn't know if it was your grandmother firsthand, but.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

It's crazy that you say that, though, and about you just mentioned her being a guardian angel. Because the fact that none of them, him and his friend you were just talking to didn't get majorly hurt. Had to be.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Your grandma a guardian angel?

[Ty]

No. We were spinning around trees in winter, and I remember all I could see was treason. I'm like, we're all gonna. And I had a lot of friends in the car, so I was nervous, and I was like, this is it. This is a rap. So.

[Linda]

Yeah. Because your grandmother's. I mean, that's why she was saying she's been your champion.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

She's always been with you, but she was definitely with you on that day.

[Ty]

Wow, that's crazy, because I've always felt like. I mean, when I was younger and had a lot of issues, whatever attended suicide, that didn't work out, which, by logic, should have. I don't know. Yeah. I should. Never happened. It's. I had a very. I had a very. A lot of visions of my mother walking out the back door and seeing me. And that's what, like, got me. And I don't know if that has anything to do with, like, just a maternal, like, I don't know. I just felt something. Yeah. I mean, I. I always credit my mom because I'm like, I gotta fight now because I can't have my mom walk out and see me this way. It'll ruin her whole life. And. And I don't know. My mom was. She had two abortion sets with me, and she never. She, for some reason turned the car around. She canceled them. I was definitely not supposed to. And I think it's interesting because I always talk about how there's a heaviness when you are, you know, you're attempting suicide because you don't imagine yourself being this age.

[Linda]

Right.

[Ty]

Never. I knew from a. It sounds crazy, but when I was a kid, I'm like. Like, I'm not gonna live to graduate high school. I'm gonna be dead far before that age. Don't know why I thought that way, but I will. So when you don't die and you're like, whoa. A lot, I think it's. It's. It's heaviness. Because you're like, is this imposter syndrome? I don't deserve it. I'm not worried. I shouldn't have any of this. I should be having this life I have. You know what I mean? This is a crazy. Yeah. It's just wild.

[Linda]

I think in your case, it's like people went out of their way to make sure you did, and you are, and you're here, which is great.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

But there's a reason. I mean. Mean, you think about all of those silent people that watch you guys that have watched your example, that have watched your struggles and watched you come out of them, that have watched you work together, have watched you be a dad.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

You have much more effect on people than you even realize.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

You know, because it's not those people making nasty comments. It's the ones who sit quietly and think, okay, I can do it. He did it. I can do it.

[Kate]

It.

[Linda]

And that's a big deal.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

I mean, I've always been really. You know, I always liked you guys anyway, before I knew. Because I didn't know you on tv, but, you know, just what you stand for.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And the fact that you embrace life is not perfect.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

It. It just isn't messy. It doesn't matter if you're on tv. It's not perfect. And it's hard.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Linda]

And if you go into it with an open mind and the right persistence and the right partner, you can make something of it.

[Ty]

Yeah. Which I think me and Kate, we feel. We know We've affected more than We've. Than people have told us that. Oh, gosh, so much so. And that's one thing where it's like, hey, I'm on the ride, right. I'm locked in the roller coaster. I have no control of this track. I'm just locked in. We're go. I don't know how many hills we're going, but I'm locked in. And I'm just trusting. I'm trusting, trusting the process. And I feel like I think one thing about us being on tv and so I don't think it's gonna have. I don't think it's gonna get recognized for its significance until far.

[Linda]

I think you're right.

[Kate]

Down the road.

[Linda]

I think you're right.

[Ty]

And then they're gonna look back in a case study. They're gonna.

[Kate]

Our grandkids are gonna be like, what?

[Ty]

Oh, yeah. I believe that happens for a reason. It's cliche, but I think it's true, so.

[Linda]

But it does. And I think it all goes with following your gut, following your path, and I'm unapologetic. That was put before you.

[Ty]

And it's something I feel guilty for, but it's like, I just can't do things that don't align with. I just can't.

[Linda]

You know what? Good for you. And good for you for teaching other people that.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah. True. Like me.

[Ty]

Well, I think we both. That's what I'm saying. And I. And I believe in soul mates.

[Linda]

I really do.

[Ty]

Like, firmly believe. Because there's no way this is explained to me.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Like, at a level I can't.

[Linda]

You know, I mean, for so long, having met so young and be evolving at the same pace for so long. I mean. Yeah, I agree.

[Ty]

She did. She did have. Yeah, I did.

[Linda]

I can't wait to hear about it. I'll have to tell you. Yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

But so for people that don't know where to find. Where can people find you, Linda?

[Linda]

Okay, so my name on my business is Light of the Phoenix. I actually named it that because my life literally burned up around me. I, you know, I had to. To leave my job to go into treatment. And after giving this gift, I was hoping to be a light for others. So it's lightofthephenix.com. okay. I do have an Instagram account, but I kept getting like 40 imposters a month, so I finally just quit doing it. But, yeah, maybe I'll go there again.

[Kate]

But mostly your website.

[Linda]

Mostly my website. And then I've also written a book called Trauma Inspired, which is basically a steps to healing from trauma based on the 50 people I interviewed and also how they develop their spiritual gifts after their traumatic experiences. But I'm just grateful to know you both and it's so good to see you.

[Kate]

Thank you so much for coming, Linda. It's always such a joy. Seriously. I love. I love it.

[Ty]

We'll just do another one.

[Linda]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah. No, for sure.

[Linda]

I'd love to. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kate]

Yes. So, guys, thank you so much for joining on this episode of K and Ty. Break It Down. I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Linda. Some of you might think that we're woo woo wee wee, but guess what? I believe in this, so I wanted to talk about it. So here we are. Please remember to, like, comment and review our page. That helps us out a lot. Don't forget to check out Light of the Phoenix if anybody's interested in reaching out to Linda. Also, don't forget to also join our Patreon page where these episodes drop a week later. But it's the full video episode, so you can watch them on there. And we will be talking to you guys next week. Thank you. Thank you. Bye.

[Ty]

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[Linda]

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[Ty]

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[Linda]

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[Ty]

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[Linda]

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[Ty]

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[Linda]

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[Ty]

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