The Catfish in the Room: Addressing Controversy & Social Media with Elle Bee (Part 2)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Cate & Ty Break It Down

Episode: The Catfish in the Room: Addressing Controversy & Social Media with Elle Bee (Part 2)

PodcastOne | April 1, 2026
Guests: Catelynn & Tyler Baltierra, Elle Bee (LB/Ell Bee, social media creator and Teen Mom commentator)

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Episode Overview

This episode continues Cate & Ty’s candid conversation with social media creator Elle Bee (LB), delving deep into social media controversy, fact-checking rumors, boundaries, and the ongoing complexities of their Teen Mom adoption story. The trio addresses persistent criticism, debunks common misconceptions, addresses the infamous “messages” controversy, and reflects on the realities of open adoption, public scrutiny, and past trauma. The tone is both humorous and thoughtful, mixing vulnerable insights, real-time myth-busting, and some much-needed context.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Media Burnout & Boundary Setting

• Elle Bee describes how she manages work/life boundaries as an online commentator and mom.

  • Schedules work around family life, relies on moderators.
  • "Once I walk out, I try to walk out. … I’m just thinking about you while I’m posting about you, babe. After that, it’s done and over with." (Becky, 02:23)
  • Avoids obsessing over online drama in her personal time.

• Work/Interest Crossover: Her content focuses on subjects she truly enjoys, not forced coverage for clicks (03:10).

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2. Fact-Checking & Vetting Stories

• Vetting anonymous tips and rumors:

  • Elle describes how she ensures stories are legit (e.g., confirming with sources on FaceTime or checking court records for documentation).
  • "If it’s something I don’t know for sure … let’s get a FaceTime call ... how do you know this?" (Becky, 04:30)
  • Sometimes, she gets direct evidence, like photos from the scene of breaking news (Mama June’s son-in-law’s accident, 04:55).

• Distinguishing facts vs. sources:

  • Explains how she shares context: “This came from a source. Take it for what you want. … I never tell people, ‘this is the truth.’” (Becky, 07:00–07:15)
  • Emphasizes her responsibility not to spread rumors as facts.

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3. Public Backlash, Hate, and Creator Mental Health

• Experiencing attack from the public/subjects:

  • Has been targeted by both celebrities and their fans.
  • “She’ll eat you to shreds ... she came for me … it happens ... I wanted to quit because I worked really hard and it wasn’t paying off.” (Becky, 07:49–09:02)
  • Parallels drawn between public figures and the scrutiny creators also receive (08:13).

• Misrepresentation & Rumor Mill:

  • Example: court documents confirm a celebrity’s charge, public still denies facts (09:46–11:11).
  • “I could put the truth out and it’s gonna get the views just as well as if I lied ... so to me, it doesn’t make any sense why anybody would even think I would add that detail.” (Becky, 11:11)

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4. Reverse Interview: Elle Bee Questions Cate & Ty

[12:12–44:03] Candid Q&A about Teen Mom, pregnancy, and adoption

• Early Relationship & Pregnancy:

  • Cate & Ty dated ~2.5 years before getting pregnant (12:26–12:30).
  • Both sets of parents knew they were sexually active but offered little guidance on birth control (“At that young an age ... you feel like you're invincible ... it happens to everyone else but it ain't gonna happen to me.” – Kate, 13:38)
  • Cate vividly recalls learning of her pregnancy during a hospital visit (16:12), describing her fear, anger, and denial.

• Family Context:

  • Both families were grappling with addiction and instability at the time (19:27–21:27).
  • “There's no way, we just got evicted the last time, and now we’re getting this ... it was just like ... what are we gonna do?” (Ty, 20:18)

Notable Quote:

"I think our generation, like our parents back then, they just weren't really [able] ... how to talk about it." (Ty, 14:14)

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5. The Path to Adoption

• Adoption first introduced via Tyler’s sister’s experience (22:07, 22:33), then reinforced by Tyler’s mom.
• Cate & Ty’s stipulations for open adoption were not fully understood as non-legally binding.
  • “That’s what it felt like ... that’s the goal of the adoption counselors ... they're not handing you parenting pamphlets ... scared kid ... we're listening to the people.” (Ty, 29:41)
  • “Any person ... needs to be told those things." (Kate, 31:09)

On Not Being Fully Informed:

“If she [adoption counselor] would have been straight up and said, ‘Listen, there’s a chance they’ll never talk to you again,’ y’all would have paused or would you not have went through with it?” (Becky, 34:27)

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6. Regret, Grief, and Changing Views on Adoption

• Adoption Regret:

  • "When people say, do you regret the adoption? I regret it for me...I don’t regret it for Carly. … For us, yeah, of course I regret it.” (Ty, 52:42)

• Bittersweet Outcomes:

  • Cate & Ty can feel both gratitude for their daughter’s life and deep sadness over the personal cost.
  • “Two things can be true at the same time.” (Ty, 52:23)

• Public Perception Shifts Over Time:

  • Initially praised for their “courage,” now face criticism as they speak more honestly about their pain (50:26–51:49).
  • "It was such a glorified, praiseworthy, courageous thing...the moment that we started kind of questioning the system...that's when the shift happened." (Ty, 50:26)

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7. Debunking Controversies & The “Messages” Saga

[69:25–80:59] Deep-dive on allegations about DMs, catfishing, and boundary crossing

• Addressing Allegations of Inappropriate Contact with Minors:

  • Cate & Ty both state: “We never started a conversation with a minor.” (Ty, 70:16)
  • All outreach was initiated by others, many of whom claimed to be Carly or her friends ("I've literally had people text me, like, ‘Hey, this is Carly, I'm on my friend's phone...’", Kate, 70:34)
  • Both express regret for engaging for as long as they did: "My biggest regret is talking as long as I did with this person..." (Ty, 72:33)

• Context of Conversations Often Removed in Public Leaks:

  • "They only post my response...not putting that they started that conversation." (Becky, 76:09)
  • "I think I definitely deserve the criticism [for the angry posting scene], but when you’re told things behind closed doors ... when things don’t make sense to me ... I felt like an injustice." (Ty, 59:08)

• Elle Bee confirms upon reading the unredacted messages:

  • Cate & Ty never reached out to minors first, and often responded out of parental concern when contacted with detailed, seemingly authentic info.
  • “You guys weren’t reaching out to them ... definitely what they should have done is maybe reached out to Dawn right when it happened.” (Becky, 78:35)

Notable Quote:

“If anyone reach out to me with concerning things about any of my children, I'm gonna inquire.” (Ty, 72:54)

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8. Boundaries with Carly’s Adoptive Parents

• Clarifies misconceptions about social media boundaries:
  • Cate & Ty do not post Carly’s face as per the established agreement, but can share non-identifying photos (65:07).
  • Many boundary shifts occurred in private, not on camera, leading to persistent viewer misconceptions.

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9. Systemic Critiques & Education

• Lack of Legal Protection for Open Adoption:

  • Many states do not legally enforce open adoption agreements. Cate & Ty hope their story can help educate other young parents about the risks.
  • “I'm telling you, that's why they're so mad at us—because they're not ready to hear this.” (Ty, 56:06)

• Alternative Options:

  • They give brief advocacy for alternatives like permanent guardianship as a way to preserve birth parent/adoptee rights (56:17–57:54).

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10. Final Takeaways & Reflections

• Cate, Ty, and Elle all emphasize the need for ongoing, honest dialogue about adoption realities and online narratives.
• Cate: "Our goal has shifted. We need to educate people more about the reality of it." (Kate, 51:28)
• Ty: “I know my truth...I don’t really feel the need to ... convince the world ...” (77:55)
• Elle Bee closes as both an interviewer and thoughtful observer, thanking Cate & Ty for transparency and open, sometimes messy, conversations.

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Boundary Setting:

  • “When I'm not working, I'm not working. ... My moderators have my personal phone number." (Becky, 01:25–03:37)

• On Adoption Counselors:

  • "I feel like y'all were led to believe any stipulation you put on [adoption], was how it’s going to go." (Becky, 29:34)
  • "Their intention was to help ... but the adoption industry ... kind of overtook her personality." (Ty, 33:06)

• Public Opinion & Regret:

  • "It was a glorified, praiseworthy thing ... and the moment we started ... questioning ... that's when the shift happened." (Ty, 50:26)
  • “I regret it for me ... not for Carly.” (Ty, 52:40)

• On Parenting Realities:

  • "There's no way we just got evicted ... now we're getting this ... what are we gonna do?" (Ty, 20:18)
  • "If you're going to make a decision, you should know every option." (Kate, 28:29)

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Useful Timestamps

• Burnout & Social Media Boundaries: 01:06–03:43
• Reporting, Vetting, and Fact-Checking: 04:15–07:25
• Handling Hate & Misconceptions: 07:38–11:10
• Pregnancy, Family Life, and Early Choices: 12:12–22:50
• Adoption Decision & Expectations: 23:06–34:45
• Flip-Flopping, Support, and Public Chronicling: 42:39–48:02
• Misconceptions About Adoption, Boundaries, and Regret: 50:26–56:06
• Catfish/Message Controversy & Social Media Allegations: 69:25–80:59
• Closing Reflections & Elle Bee’s Takeaways: 81:00–82:31

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Conclusion: Episode Highlights

This episode pulls back the curtain on the persistent “catfish” controversy, the truth about open adoption agreements, and the real-life impact of online rumor cycles. Cate & Ty speak passionately about the gaps in adoption education, their personal regrets and gratitude, and the hardships of living their trauma publicly for over 15 years.

Listeners are offered a rare, unvarnished perspective on adoption, family dysfunction, and growing up in the public eye. With Elle Bee as both interviewer and voice for the fandom, the episode becomes a must-hear for anyone seeking the real story behind reality TV—and how truth, pain, and growth coexist for the BALTERRA family.

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Find Elle Bee: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, X, Facebook (@ElleBee / @ElleBeeee)
Find Cate & Ty: [Podcast feed links, as shared]

“Two things can be true at the same time.” – Tyler Baltierra (52:23)

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[Becky]

Hey guys.

[Kate]

Welcome back to another episode of Kate and Ty. Break it down. And we are back with part two of our conversation with ld. So like, how do you help yourself with the burnout? Or like, do you have strict boundaries for yourself? Like, I only do it from, you know, this time to this time. But then what happens if something crazy, crazy blows up and you have to report on it?

[Ty]

How do you decompress?

[Becky]

Yeah, well, my schedule is built around like, my kids, my family. So like I'll, I might be out there at nine o' clock at night, you know, but, but it's very much around my kids. So what I'm, it's my job, so I have to be consistent with it as well. And they have to know, like, okay, if mama is out there, let mama work. But when I'm not working, I'm not working. Like, I try not to be working. Like, I have moderators and if anything pops off, they'll message me like, oh, this is going on.

[Kate]

But like, oh, that's nice.

[Ty]

That's nice.

[Becky]

Yeah. So like, once I walk out, I try to walk out. Good. It's like, I'm not going to talk about that again until I go back out there. And my moderators are just really good about, like, if something pops off, they let me know. That way I don't have to like be in my phone. My son had a jiu jitsu tournament last weekend and we, it was in Gonzalez, which is like four hours away from us. So we went there and we Were there all day. And like, you know, something happened to my moderator. Message was like, hey, this happened. So I took a minute. My son wasn't fighting her. I took a minute and I was like, oh, let me make a post. Make a pose. Right back to my life, you know? Yeah. And I just.

[Kate]

It's.

[Becky]

It's just work. Like, it's just back when I worked in finance, once I walked out the door, that's it. That's it. You know, when I go back out there. So that's like, the people that I cover, like, some of them is like, oh, she's so obsessed with me. And I'm like, I'm just thinking about you while I'm posting about you, babe.

[Kate]

After that, it's done and over with.

[Ty]

Out. I clock out. Yeah.

[Becky]

Like, after I make this post, I'm going to go see what Janelle's up to. Just see if there's anything. I go see what this person's up to. Just keep finishing the. I'm not. I promise you. I, like, this is just. Because it's my job. It's. And yeah, it is funny because it went from, like, an interest. I was watching Teen Mom. I was watching shows, and then it switched to a job. If the show comes back on, I'm definitely going to watch. I'm still going to watch. And I do watch y' alls when you go live. Like, I watched. If there's anything.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Worth me, like, oh, clip Kate saying this. Or clip saying this video.

[Ty]

Part of its interest and work. Kind of.

[Becky]

It's still interesting.

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Becky]

Like, I would not cover a topic that did not interest me.

[Ty]

Right, right.

[Becky]

I'm not going to cover a show that I really don't watch. I really like.

[Kate]

Why would you.

[Becky]

I mean, exactly. Exactly. If I watch it and it's not entertaining, I'm going to like, okay, I'm not covering this. Let me find something. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, it's. It's still. It is still fun to me. It is work. And when I walk out of the door, I try to walk out the door and my module, they'll let me know if something's happening. They have my personal phone number.

[Ty]

Good. That's good.

[Becky]

So they're like, this is happening. You need.

[Kate]

It's almost like you're like, almost like having an assistant. They can let you know in a way.

[Ty]

Yeah. But that's important, though, because if people are getting into this world, like, you, you need help.

[Becky]

You can't oh, God.

[Ty]

It's like, if you didn't have the moderators watching stuff for you, I would

[Becky]

have to be watching 24 7. Yeah, you'd have to be.

[Ty]

Yeah. Constantly on the forums and reading the pages and trying to figure out, you know what I mean? Which is exhausting and draining.

[Becky]

What's so cool too though, is I have longtime followers that like, my email is like in the description box and they'll email me. Oh, cool. Like, I have, I have like a handful of people that like, they stay on top of the articles and they're like, hey, this just like, they actually just put this out. Or like Hollywood gossip just put this out. Or TMZ just put this out. Oh, that's cool.

[Ty]

So, yeah, and now when you get, if you get exclusive information or someone that's telling you that it's exclusive, how do you, how do you like, vet these source. How do you like, vet the stories you're going to share?

[Becky]

Some of the people that's come out to me is people I knew who, like, I knew they knew this person.

[Ty]

Okay.

[Becky]

You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it was. They'll send me text messages. Like, if it's something that I don't know, like, for sure. Like, get on the phone with them. Like, let's get like a FaceTime call. Like, tell me what's going on. Like, how do you know this? Like, when Mama June's son in law, Josh got into an accident. Oh, last year, whatever. Like, they sent me pictures of the accident. They were there, you know, here's pictures. So they were like, I broke that story. Like tmz, like found it out after I post it, you know, because somebody was there.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

So you're so. Well, that's how you vetted it. Your source was right there.

[Becky]

They were right there. Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were sending me pictures. They're like, here it is. You know, and they explained to me why they were there and who they, who they were. I was like, okay. I'm like, obviously check another outlets to see if anybody's reported that he's been in an accident. Because I'm like making sure they didn't steal it from an outlet that's already posted.

[Kate]

So there's research you have to do on top of.

[Becky]

Yeah, if they send me pictures of something that's happened and they say they're there are pictures because they're there, let me make sure that they're not posted somewhere else. And this is somebody lying to me, you know what I'm saying? But like, in the case of, like, I had somebody reach out to me regarding y', all and they just knew information. They knew addresses, you know what I'm saying? Like, people, schools and things. And I was like, oh, wow, I gave that one person your email. Or I gave you their email. Oh, do you know? Do you remember who I'm talking about? Okay, I don't remember.

[Kate]

Why don't I. I don't know.

[Becky]

It was a person that knew information about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I gave.

[Kate]

Oh, yeah, you remember. Yes, yes, yes. You.

[Becky]

I gave you that. Yeah. I gave you their email. Because they're like, I can verify this. Like, I know this information. And I'm like, I don't know that information though.

[Kate]

Right.

[Becky]

So how can I verify it?

[Kate]

Yes.

[Becky]

You know, but. Yeah, what's ironic, there was a lot of people, like, I knew. They knew, like, it was people that I.

[Kate]

They're right here. Yeah.

[Ty]

But I don't think people understand that. That takes an extra step. You have to. You're doing extra steps to make sure before you report on it.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Legit. Or at least. So you're the better, the best of it. Of your understanding.

[Becky]

Right.

[Ty]

You know what I mean?

[Kate]

That is.

[Becky]

Unfortunately, we do live in a day and age, though, to where you can find addresses. You can find.

[Ty]

That's why it's more difficult and difficult to, like, make sure and verify certain stuff, because I think that's part of the content creation world. That's like, it's. It. It starts getting messy when you're not verifying your sources, you're not vetting the information.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And then it turns into. Now you're just spreading literally false information that's not true.

[Becky]

And one thing that I still say is, you know, like, oh, this came from a source. Take it for what you want.

[Ty]

Right, Right.

[Becky]

Take it for you want.

[Kate]

That's what a source is.

[Becky]

I was told.

[Kate]

Right.

[Becky]

Take it for where you want. I still never tell people, like, this is it. Like, this is the truth.

[Ty]

Right.

[Becky]

You know, this is what I was told. This is what they sent me. This is what they said. I, you know, like, I'll say, like, I believe them because I know, like, who they are. But you guys can take it for what you want.

[Ty]

Right. Which is important. Yeah. You're kind of leaving it out there.

[Becky]

Hey, listen, I'm not trying to convince someone.

[Ty]

Somebody. Right.

[Becky]

This is happening.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

It's like, here's the information. I believe it's happening. What do you think? You know?

[Ty]

Right.

[Kate]

Have a conversation about it.

[Becky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

Has there ever been a time during this whole time of you doing this for work that you ever just wanted to quit? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you think that comes from the burnout or this? Like, where do you think that comes from?

[Becky]

Like, yeah. And when you get hate from, like, like, and report what has come at me before and she can, you know, God, like, she'll eat you to shreds. You know, she's done videos, which I've been nice to her, I mean, but whatever. Like, yeah, she's come at me, like, not too long ago, like another person that I covered. Like, she came for me. All of her people were coming for me.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

So you kind of experience that a little bit. A sliver of what we go through. A little bit. Like, oh, my God, like, you know, it's difficult when you have, you know, 20,000 people.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Coming at you.

[Kate]

Right. Or it's one person that says something that all their people are rushing over to say something. Yeah, yeah.

[Ty]

So I always like to think, when I think of content creators, like, I always wonder, like, could you be in the flipped position of this? Like, could you. Could, like, could you understand how hard it would be to be in the.

[Becky]

On the receipt to get hate and stuff and.

[Ty]

Yeah. If you switched places with us and got all. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

I mean, yeah, I've definitely. I've never gotten it on the level that you guys have, you know, but I've gotten it some. Like, I mean, this happened not too long, which I wanted to quit because I worked really hard and then it wasn't paying off. Like, I wasn't making much money in it. And, you know, and it's like, God, is it even worth it? Should I get a regular 9 to 5 job? So there's been times that that's happened.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

But it's also came me covering someone and then them not liking the way that I covered, so they're. They're attacking me and. And they're making videos about me and then all of their people. And what's worse is when they're lying in their videos, because this happened to me recently. Like, I put something out about, about somebody, about a celebrity, put it out with court documents to back it up, like, this is what happened. And then she gets on a video saying, this is not true. That did not happen. And she's showing a report, too, that doesn't list it. And so when I saw her video, I go back into the court records and I'm like, wait, what did they Drop it. Because this is what it was. First I go back to the court records. All the records on the court website is still saying this.

[Ty]

And I'm like, so that's weird.

[Becky]

This is weird.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

So I'm like, I don't know if she just got like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what she got, you know? So I had people asking me about it and I was like, listen, I don't know. But she needs to call them because it says that she got this charge, so she needs to call them, you know? And then she had court the other day, and I followed up with what happened with court and I made a video and people still say. And I showed, like, what it said on the court, like, on the docket, like, yeah, what her charge was. And she received probation for this and a 30 day suspended sentence. And it's like, she ain't gonna receive that for just running a damn stop sign, you know, like, clearly something else happened to happen here. But people on my video where I show what, like, what happened, the outcome, people's like, she's already your justice. You're lying. And I'm like, sure, I'm just lying.

[Kate]

Right? Like, first off, you have the information act. You can literally look up anything.

[Becky]

Exactly.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

And two, like, if I do a video about this person and I say they got a ticket, why is me saying that they were charged with something additional, going to get any more traffic than me just saying they got the ticket.

[Ty]

Right.

[Becky]

I don't have to add anything into it. Like, if my Tick tock video, if I just say, oh, this celebrity cited charged, whatever. I didn't say charged for, you know, hitting somebody, causing bodily injury on the the front of it. You guys saw that. Y' all came and watched. So what did that little detail. How did that add so many more? I didn't have to lie.

[Kate]

Like, Right, right.

[Ty]

You're the lie. Yeah.

[Becky]

I could put the truth out and it's going to get the views just as well as if I lied. You know what I'm saying? So to me, it doesn't make any sense why anybody would even think that I would add that detail.

[Ty]

That's not true. Yeah, right, right.

[Becky]

Like, why would I add that? I could just say the truth.

[Kate]

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[Ty]

Hell, yeah. Get your phone out.

[Kate]

But I wanted to flip the script and see if you had any questions for Ty and I.

[Becky]

Okay. So I watched yalls 16 and pregnant episode this morning.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

So I'm gonna bring it way back a little bit for a minute. How long had you two been together when you found out that you were pregnant? What was yalls initial reaction?

[Ty]

How long were we together for?

[Becky]

Yeah, like, how long have you ever been together? Two. Almost.

[Ty]

Almost three years.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Two and a half. I was gonna say two and a half. So.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah, like, two and a half.

[Becky]

You weren't on birth control?

[Kate]

No.

[Becky]

No.

[Kate]

Okay. No.

[Becky]

Did yalls parents know that y' all are sexually active at the time that you got pregnant?

[Kate]

Yes.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Becky]

Okay. Okay.

[Ty]

Actually, yes, they did. Because one of our friends.

[Kate]

Oh, one of my, like, good friends, I thought. Told my mom when I was at school. Told my mom or. No, we were at home.

[Becky]

We were.

[Kate]

And you were upstairs.

[Becky]

I was.

[Ty]

I there. I almost jumped out the second story window. I was about. Listen, cuz, you know, her mom is scary, intimidating, and I worked a lot to build relationships on my.

[Kate]

Especially from the first time you met her, dude. And you kicked her dog.

[Becky]

I remember hearing about that. Y.

[Ty]

But yeah, no, yeah, they knew.

[Kate]

They knew. Yep. They knew. Yeah.

[Ty]

Because.

[Becky]

And they still didn't try to. Like, you need to be on birth control. Like, no, no.

[Kate]

Did your mom ever tell you, like, you'd use protection or anything like that?

[Ty]

She just said, you better be safe.

[Becky]

Oh.

[Ty]

And in my head. In my head, I'm like, it's only one person. Yeah. Better be safe. But, like.

[Kate]

And it's.

[Becky]

I would think if I was yalls age and my parents knew I was having sex and said, be safe, I would think std. So I was like, I'm only one person. It's fine. Like, I'm only sleeping with her.

[Kate]

Right.

[Becky]

So I wouldn't even.

[Kate]

And I feel like at that young of an age, I remember the feeling of you feel like you're invincible. Like, yeah. When you're that young. Right. Like. And I really don't. Like, it happens to everybod else, but it ain't. Why would it Ain't gonna happen. You know what I mean? Like, you really do. You're just not. You're young.

[Ty]

But it makes sense, though, because now I look back at Nancy, I would never just let my kids say, hey, by the way, I'm sexually active. And I go, okay, well, better make sure you're safe. And there's what? Like, I'd be like, we're going to the doctor. We're. You know what I mean? Like, so I think. I think our generation, like our parents back then, they just. They just weren't really. Yeah.

[Kate]

How to talk about it? I don't know.

[Ty]

Yeah. They didn't want. And listen, my mind never talked to me about any really. I was all girls, so I was going through all my puberty and stuff when I was a kid, I was

[Kate]

like, yeah, nobody by myself.

[Ty]

You know what I'm saying? Nothing.

[Becky]

I know.

[Ty]

I know. So, I mean, like, I feel like that's one thing that our generation, I think, is doing a little differently, hopefully.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah. Because we. Nova's. You know, Nova's 11, and, you know, we've had the conversation about, like, sex and protection and all the things. She's knows our story front and back, you know, right. With, you know, what we went through and stuff. And she's smart. She already says now. She's like, no, Ma. She's like, as soon as I even have the A feeling, she's like, we'll be talking. And I'm like, that's right. Like, we're more. I feel like, you know, we're. I. We're definitely more open with our kids.

[Becky]

I am, too, because I was a teen mom, so.

[Ty]

Exactly.

[Becky]

I mean, with my son, I'm like, talk to your dad.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Right.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Becky]

I don't want to hear, dude. But my daughter, like, me and her, you know, we talk about. I'm. I think I'm good with my girls, but their dad's got to handle the boys, cuz.

[Kate]

Yep. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Becky]

I don't think it's uncomfortable for me with the guys.

[Ty]

I don't know.

[Becky]

Okay, who did y' all tell first? Which parent? And what were their reactions?

[Kate]

Well, we didn't have a choice. I didn't have a choice. So what happened was, is we just moved. My mom. We just moved into this trailer park. And so I was like. I was there. I don't know where they. My mom was spent at work and stuff. I was there cleaning the bathroom there, and I had the doors closed and stuff, and I was, like, standing in the shower, and I was just spraying all the walls and cleaning all the walls down. And after that happened, I remember I just felt like, super so sick. And I was like, maybe did I, like, poison myself with like all these fumes and stuff? Like, I was like, I felt so nauseous. And then the sick feeling lasted for like three days. And my mom was like, I'm going to take you to the hospital. Like, you know, what if it's the flu or you have like a sickness or something? And I was. Because I remember, like, deathly ill, like, laying on the floor, and my great grandma Lee brought over, like, Gatorade and stuff.

[Ty]

Oh, my God.

[Kate]

And I was like, all right, mom, yes, that's fine. Like, let's go to the hospital.

[Becky]

And so you didn't have, like. I mean, you thought you were invisible, so you didn't even think, like, oh, maybe I'm pregnant.

[Kate]

Not at all. I thought either. I poisoned myself from smelling all these damn fumes that I was using because I had all the doors closed and I was like, in the shower with the door, like, who cleans? Like idiot anyways?

[Becky]

A 16 year old.

[Kate]

Yeah, exactly. And so she said, we're gonna go to the hospital. You know, maybe something else is going on. So they take me to the hospital, and of course there they're like, well, when was your last menstrual cycle? Do you think you're pregnant? I'm like, no, I'm not pregnant. Like, I'm just sick. You know, something's going on. And it's like, yeah, it's protocol. Age, have periods and stuff. And so I'm sitting there, got, you know, IVs in, did all this stuff, and the girl and the doctor comes in, she goes, well, she goes, there's no easy way for me to say this. And my mom's sitting right next to me, and she's like, but you're. You're pregnant. And I was like. I remember in that moment, my mom was, like, actually very quiet. I was the one who was like. I got this rush of just anger and maybe it's like fear and anger combined, but I was just so angry. I was like, I need to get out of here.

[Becky]

Who was you angry at?

[Kate]

I don't even know the world, I guess, myself. It was just. Yeah, it was just like, I was just really mad. And I was like. I remember being like, I don't even want the rest of this stupid IV fluids. Like, get me out of there. I need to leave. So we get in the car and we leave, and my mom's basically just saying things like, it's all right, you know, where's Tyler at? And I was like, I don't know, Mom. I don't know. You know? And then I. And she was like, well, can you find where he's at right now? And of course.

[Ty]

Cell phones.

[Kate]

Right, right, right.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

But of course I knew. I'm like, he's probably here. Here.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And so we went to my. We drove by my friend Brittany's house. And then what?

[Ty]

And then. Okay, so that. No, then I. You got a hold of me somehow with someone's phone and was like, oh, I'm gonna come pick you up. We gotta talk. And I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, great. So I'm thinking, like, we're gonna break up or something. I don't know what the. I was thinking.

[Becky]

What did I do?

[Ty]

Yeah. And then I was upstairs in her little apartment. I saw the car pull up, and you were in there in the back seat looking, like, just down. And I was like, what the hell is going on? And that's when I went downstairs and. Oh, my God.

[Kate]

Didn't somebody, like, somebody tell you that,

[Ty]

oh, she's probably pregnant? I said, she ain't, Frank. You guys are all crazy. And then, yeah, sure. I got in the car, and no one said a word. They just handed me the paper from the. From the hospital. And I was like, what the. So then I started thinking the me. It was like, oh, my God, she's dying. Oh, my God. Like, we gotta talk. I'm coming to get you. Everyone's really quiet in the car. I mean, the silence was. Was. Dude. And so then I read the thing, and then I was like. I just sat there. I felt like I was gonna get sick. I swear I was. I thought I was gonna pass out. So. Yeah, that's when I found out. Yeah. And then we just drove back to the trailer that we still had boxes, still unpacking and.

[Becky]

Yeah, because you and your mom had just moved to that trailer.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And this is from Mimi's house.

[Kate]

I don't remember.

[Ty]

I think it was. You were living.

[Kate]

Because your dad lived there too.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah. My dad. Yeah. So my dad and her mom were just met, pretty much getting into their thing, the trailer, which we already thought was weird.

[Kate]

And then we got back to the trailer, and I went to bed.

[Ty]

Yep, you went to bed. I just sat there for hours while you slept, thinking, like, what the.

[Becky]

Like, what are we gonna do? Like, look at what we're gonna be bringing.

[Ty]

Especially because I think at that age, like. Like, I was removed from my dad a lot, so I. I knew his issues. I knew he was an addict. I knew all this stuff.

[Kate]

I mean, he was. L. Girlfriends with my.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

How long had he been, like, out?

[Kate]

I guess you could say not very long.

[Ty]

Not long. Not even a year, I don't think.

[Kate]

No, I was gonna say probably, like, good. Four months, Five months.

[Ty]

Yeah. And then I remember thinking in my head, like, you know, Kate at that. I think at that time when we were younger, she was very much defensive of her mom, and she'd defend her mom. She was like, you know, she doesn't do drugs. She drinks once in a while, but it's not that bad. You know, that. Kind of.

[Kate]

Very defensive.

[Ty]

And I'm over here, like, I'm not going to burst her bubble, you know? But in my head, I'm like, I'm

[Kate]

telling right now, this ain't normal.

[Ty]

I know my dad. And so at that point, that's when I was freaked. I was freaked out because I was like, I know.

[Kate]

You know how your dad is.

[Ty]

I know how this lifestyle is. And then the baby thing just. Totally. Yeah. So I remember sitting there while you were sleeping. That stupid, uncomfortable pink comforter.

[Kate]

Yes. Zipper.

[Ty]

Zipper on a stupid comforter. And I remember sitting there thinking, like, there's no way we just got evicted the last time, and so now we're getting this. Oh, dude. It was just like. Yeah, so. Yeah, that was.

[Kate]

No, you're right. We probably did just move for Mimi's then.

[Ty]

Because you did. Because you got.

[Kate]

I remember the first time your dad pulled up to my knees on the. Whose motorcycle did he have?

[Ty]

The girl. He was. Other girl. He was.

[Kate]

Yeah. That was a whole. Yeah. So our. My mom found out first, but I really didn't have any. I didn't have even time to tell her.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

The nurse did.

[Becky]

Wow.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Oh, what did you tell your mom?

[Ty]

I don't remember.

[Kate]

I don't either.

[Ty]

I probably went home that day and told her. I mean.

[Kate]

Yeah, because you were all filled with anxiety.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah. I had riddled anxiety.

[Becky]

You were probably a mess.

[Ty]

Oh, I was. I was. And then. And then. Because I knew, like, I knew that. I knew that young. That, like, I knew Kate was more naive when it came to the addiction stuff. That makes sense.

[Becky]

So you knew, like. Oh, I just knew.

[Ty]

I mean, she did, because she talked about, like, my mom was really rough. Like, you know, she drinks a lot. I'm like, all right. You know, But I knew about the

[Becky]

album, but not to the degree that you didn't know the truth, like, the full.

[Kate]

Right. Like, I knew about the alcohol. I think there was always a part of me being a kid that was like, my mom. A denial. Like, my mom.

[Becky]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kate]

Like, yeah, she drinks or whatever, but she don't do drugs. Like, come on now. Yeah, I was very wrong about that. Yeah.

[Ty]

But, like, so I feel like, you know, we were both on just, like, totally different. Like, what the. We're gonna do.

[Becky]

Yeah, what are we gonna do?

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Okay. So how did adoption come up? And who was the first person to bring it up? Like, okay, maybe this is an option.

[Ty]

That would have been my mom.

[Kate]

Well, first it all started from how anybody even thought about adoption. Was your sister.

[Ty]

Was my sister, Right.

[Becky]

Oh, yeah. Because she.

[Ty]

She. I mean, she. She literally. We. Me and Kate were at the hospital when my niece was born, and we hung out without the parents the whole time in the room.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

So we were in the hospital.

[Kate]

We witnessed them feeding her first bottle.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah. My sister was. My sister was relinquishing my niece. She had it in her head, this is what's happening. So me and Kate were, like, hanging out with the adoptive parents in the hospital room and talking to them. So that's. So me and Kate already knew about adoption before.

[Becky]

Was that gonna be an open adoption with your. Well, what?

[Ty]

She thought it was gonna be a semi open.

[Becky]

Okay.

[Ty]

Yeah. And me and Kate. So me and Kate, by the time this was this. And this happened a year before Kate got pregnant.

[Becky]

Okay.

[Ty]

So at that point, me and Kate already knew about adoption.

[Kate]

Right? It was a year or two.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Because we already reflects on the hospital pictures I have. She was, like, two.

[Ty]

Yeah. So we already knew about adoption from that experience of my sister almost going through with it. And then me and Kate were the ones that were, like, having to, like, watch these devastated parents leave with an empty car seat.

[Kate]

And I felt so sad for his sister, too.

[Ty]

Yeah. Because she was all.

[Becky]

She couldn't do it, like, once she saw the baby.

[Ty]

And so. So me and Kate already knew about adoption. And that's honestly the first thing that popped in my head. It was. It's crazy, because if that never happened, my sister. I don't think. I don't think we ever would even thought anybody.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

I think we would have been like, all right, we're gonna parent this kid in a drug addict's house, and we're just gonna do this thing. But something I remember sitting there as she was sleeping, and then I was, like, thinking to my Head like, wow, this is crazy. And then eventually, I was like, all right. My sister. I. I was like, let's reach out to that couple.

[Kate]

Because I was like, the same one. Yeah.

[Ty]

The same couple. That was.

[Becky]

That was.

[Kate]

That was later on, though.

[Ty]

No. Right. But I'm trying to think of, like, when. When adoption first came.

[Kate]

Yeah, but you're. And I think so you had the thought of it, but I think your mom also stayed, too, like. Well, because she helped her sister through the whole. Her whole adoption, you know, placement failure thing or whatever.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

You know, Kim was also like, well, have you guys. You know, do you want to just look into it? Doesn't mean you have to do it. Like, she was like, but why don't you just talk to somebody from the agency?

[Becky]

Right.

[Ty]

That.

[Kate]

Find out more.

[Ty]

Right? Yeah. Talk to someone.

[Kate]

And we both were like, yeah, that's fine. Because in our eyes, it was either parenting or an option, you know?

[Becky]

And plus, you never considered abortion at the time, so.

[Kate]

The day after I found out that I was pregnant, my mom actually woke me up out of my sleep when she was leaving for work, and she was like. She woke me up out of my sleep, and she was like, do you think you want to get an abortion? And I just broke down. I mean, I'm scared, terrified.

[Becky]

Right.

[Kate]

And I remember looking her, and I'm like, yeah, I think I do. I think I do.

[Becky]

Oh, okay.

[Kate]

You know, I definitely think that I do. And then my mom reached out to, like, Tyler somehow.

[Ty]

No, your mom. Yeah. Your mom said, so what was cake's gonna do? And I was like, okay.

[Kate]

And she was like, all right. Will you come? Are you gonna come with?

[Ty]

Of course I will. I said, of course I'll. You know. Yeah. I mean, of course I will go. And I'm out. Of course. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, this is such a big, intense thing. And so I remember going to school because you. You were. You were in school.

[Kate]

No, I wasn't in school because her.

[Ty]

You weren't in school. Well, because your mom wanted you to watch. Nick didn't want to go back to school yet or whatever. That. Whatever. And then so I. I went to school, and I'm riddled with anxiety about this. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, okay, we're gonna get an abortion. She's this many weeks. So I went and Google search when I was. I wasn't supposed to be in the computer, but I was okay. What. Well, what do we do? How does.

[Kate]

I didn't know how to researching, like, what is an abortion? We don't really know.

[Ty]

I don't know what she is. I'm like, all right.

[Kate]

She's about, how does it work?

[Ty]

And so I googled like nine week abortion and then something popped up and I was like, oh God. And I was like, all right, so. And then I'm literally looking up abortion to prepare myself to go with her to this appointment. And I also want to know what pain she's going to be in.

[Becky]

Like, right, you're trying to figure how

[Ty]

am I going to do this? And then I remember printing out all the stuff because I'm like, listen, if she doesn't know any of this stuff, she's got to know this stuff, right? And so I printed out all this stuff about like, hey, this is what this is, what this abortion is, you

[Kate]

know, and before, like post fight, you know, like pre finding out that I was pregnant, like, I was always one that was just. I always thought to myself, I would never be able to do it. I don't hate anybody that does, you know, But I don't think myself I could ever do it. And so Tyler comes over and he's

[Ty]

like, I knew that. So when she told me it's happening, I was like, wow, this is totally opposite of what you always told me that you know what I mean? So it was.

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[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And so he comes to the house and he's like, listen. He's like, I got educated about it. I just want you to be educated about it too. Like, this is what happens. This is, you know, what you do. Whatever. And then I remember, like, for a good day or two, I did, I read everything and, and educated myself on it. And it just, it re. Established my own beliefs of just like,

[Becky]

oh, I don't think, I don't think

[Kate]

I can do it.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

I think that if I were to do this, I might have other regrets in the future, you know, or carry somebody with me.

[Ty]

I was like, I was like, do you feel, are you totally 100% want to get the abortion? Do you feel kind of like.

[Kate]

And I wasn't.

[Ty]

Or do you feel kind of pressured by your mom? And she was like, no, I, I,

[Kate]

I'm, I mean, I was. Yeah. And I was pressured by every, everybody.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

I didn't want to let my mom down. I didn't want my mom helping me raise a baby when we're already struggling. I didn't know what the I was gonna do.

[Ty]

You know, it's crazy because actually when we were younger, she was like all, she was actually pretty. Pretty. I would say, I would say pro life. Very much like anti.

[Becky]

Well, I think even after. Because I remember you guys talking about. Yeah. Being pro life.

[Ty]

Huge, huge thing. And so when, so when she told me when her mom. Because it wasn't even Kate, it was her mom saying, hey, we're going to get an abortion. I was like, holy. I First off, I was like, wait. Well, Kate always said that she never would do that and you know what I mean? And I knew that Kate's mom in her relationship was very much like, you know, approved.

[Kate]

Approved. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ty]

And so I just felt like it was unfair for her to not have all the information and freedom of just like, because, you know.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Especially me knowing how her order beliefs.

[Kate]

And I think it is important. I feel like if you're going to make a decision decision on it, you should have, you know, know every option. Know the facts of every single option.

[Ty]

Yeah. And so when that happened, it was like, that was.

[Kate]

Yeah. So when we first started the adoption process, it literally was just like, let's have a meeting.

[Ty]

Let's just talk.

[Kate]

Let's just kind of see where it goes.

[Ty]

Talk to the adoption counselor and see what, see what, what it looks like now.

[Becky]

This is one big thing for me. Like I said, I watched y's episode this Morning. Our first introduction to dawn, like, you guys are sitting down with her, and she said, you guys are in the driver's seat of your adoption. It's gonna look and feel the way you guys want it to look and feel. And you said, well, I want to be able to send pictures. I want to be able to call, like, you know, I want to be able to, like, do certain things. And I've said this on my lives before. Me getting pregnant at 17. If I would have considered adoption, if I wouldn't have had support, if I would have been in y' all situation, if I would have went in and I would have been told that I might want to lean more towards. Oh, okay. Well, yes, I. I want to do calls, you know, annual. Which you didn't mention annual business at the time.

[Kate]

No, not at that time. She.

[Becky]

I felt like y' all were led to believe any stipulation that you put on that how it's going to go was how it's going to go.

[Ty]

That's what it felt like.

[Becky]

Right? That's what I'm saying.

[Ty]

You know, being older now, in hindsight is 20 20. But, like, that is the goal of the adoption counselors. That's the goal of the adoption agency. It's literally, the person walks in the door and you are like, they're not handing you parenting pamphlets. They're not handing you. They're saying. You know what I mean? So they're. Yeah. I mean, scared kid. Yeah. We're listening to the people.

[Becky]

I felt this before, and I've heard your explanation, and it makes sense, but I see other people say this, like, well, why. Why do you guys don't have a problem with Dawn? She misled you. What? You know, dawn had y' all believe this way. Don's job is work for the adoption agency.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

If Dawn. If all the couples that came in, if she said, listen, you could say you want these things, but once you sign the papers, they could do whatever they want. She wouldn't have her job very long, you know?

[Ty]

Exactly.

[Becky]

So she has to choose. Is she going to work for the agency or is she not? Because she could. She can't educate people on adoption in that regard of where it stands, then

[Ty]

it's counterproductive of what her main goal is.

[Becky]

For the longest, I was like, dude, like, they should be so upset with dawn, you know, like, I get people well.

[Kate]

And it's funny that you say that, because literally I did. I said to Tyler not even that long ago, actually, just a few days ago, I said to Him, I said, you know, there is some things that I do hold a little bit of like anger or upsetment with her. There is, for sure. Because I'm sorry, but any person, I don't care how old you are, you know, birth mom or birth dad or just investigating it or wanting to know more, you need to be told those things.

[Becky]

You guys were the children.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Becky]

She was the adult. You're looking at this woman and where you're sitting at that age, you're thinking, she's going to be looking out for y'.

[Kate]

All.

[Becky]

I'm so interested.

[Ty]

Well, yeah, right.

[Kate]

Like, I'm so vulnerable.

[Becky]

I would have never thought. Well, her job is to sell me on adoption.

[Ty]

Right.

[Becky]

That's what she is.

[Ty]

She's.

[Becky]

She's the adoption agent, whatever, you know. So if I would have been you guys sitting there, if she would have said, listen, I'm going to be honest with you. You can have this baby and put this baby up for adoption. You can want phone calls, you can, you can put in the paperwork, but it's not legally binding. And once they walk away from you guys at the hospital, they never have to speak to you again. I write them would have been like, oh, no, sorry, I can't do that.

[Ty]

Me and Kate would definitely have been

[Becky]

like, that's what I was going to ask.

[Ty]

We never wanted to completely close, no contact, don't talk to me at all. We always wanted a little bit of something. We knew this, we knew that we

[Kate]

wanted like semi open. When we were first going through it, I wanted like phone calls, pictures.

[Ty]

We didn't know a face to face business were going to be too hard.

[Kate]

Too hard.

[Becky]

Yeah, right.

[Kate]

But then when she was born, that's when I was like, nope, take it. Because Don always told me too, you can always. Yep. You can take the big eraser out at any moment. She's always say that. Yeah, I know everything. Like word for word. You can take the big eraser out at any time and we can change anything. And that's when. The day when she was born and I held her for the first time. I never even, you know, in the beginning I thought, like, it's going to be too painful for me even to say hello to her.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And so when I finally did it and I was like, I can't go my whole life without seeing her. I can't. Like, absolutely not.

[Ty]

Honestly, the crazy part, that was Dawn. We. We were. We did not want to physically hold.

[Becky]

I remember.

[Ty]

Well, and it was Dawn.

[Becky]

Dawn said, I've never had a couple Regrets having that first moment.

[Ty]

Yeah. And so honestly. So people had this opinion.

[Kate]

So I'm grateful I heard to her

[Ty]

for something they should hate, we should be mad.

[Becky]

Don't.

[Kate]

Don.

[Ty]

I'm not mad at dawn because I really believe that her desire to help people was taken advantage of or.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

By the agency. I really believe that her intention was. I do think they are social work and help people. I just think that the mission and the goal that she got into kind

[Kate]

of over took advantage of her personality and her nature.

[Ty]

Yeah. And so. And honestly, I've said this from day one. If it wasn't for dawn, we would have been closed.

[Becky]

Right. So that's another thing that people are like, you guys should be so mad at dawn or whatever. Don has navigated this and gave you guys advice.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah.

[Becky]

It would be helpful to you guys to maintain, you know, communication.

[Ty]

She's been the bridge. I mean, if it wasn't for her, we never would have had. And that's my thing is that like when I say. When I say I'm against the adoption industry, that's what I mean. I think dawn got taken advantage of by the adoption industry too. I think she was a victim of it. Her natural intention was to help people with social work degree and that job. And then she. You know what I'm saying? So I think the adoption industry, literally, I think she's a victim of it too. Just like Branch Reese, I think are a victim of.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

The adoption industry in general. So.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Because dawn going into it, you know, before she takes a job, looking at it like, okay, I'm going to work at this agency. I'm going to be helping young, expecting mothers that don't know or they can

[Kate]

in a crisis or scared. Yeah.

[Becky]

So I'm going to be helping them then. Helping.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Yeah. So I mean, it took me listening to you say that and thinking about it more in depth to be like, okay, like I can understand why they're. I probably. That was my question for you too though, is that if she would have been straight up and said, listen, there's a chance they'll never talk to you guys again, y' all would have paused or would you not have went through with it, you think?

[Kate]

I think looking back on it now, I don't think I would have went through.

[Ty]

No, it's too much. I mean, because. Because we knew what we. We knew how involved we wanted to be.

[Becky]

Right.

[Ty]

We weren't the couple that was going. There are couples who go in there and say, I want clothes.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

We were not that couple. And she knew that from the get go. They all, everyone knew. So if, if we would have been told that we would have definitely been like, absolutely not. I mean, there's so many things that we would have.

[Kate]

There's so many things that I didn't know.

[Ty]

Yeah. And I think ignorance is, that's when it comes to, like we were young kids. And that's why I feel like I'm not trying to like sit here and be and victimize myself. No. But I'm also a. Not an idiot as a grown man and a father that has children. Like, yeah, dude, we were, we were listening to the adults.

[Becky]

Right.

[Ty]

All the adults telling us what we were doing was right and courageous and this and that. And so, yeah.

[Kate]

And that I get to make it any way I want to and that I can change it at any time.

[Ty]

Why would I have any. Why would I even think that this wasn't true? You know, so.

[Becky]

And once you guys sat down with the birth parents, but at the moment they were potential birth parents. Yeah, sorry. Adoptive parents. That was something. Again, you said, I want to be able to do these things. It was very much, oh, yeah, we think that would be a great idea. Like we're gonna take a lot of pictures. Like, we think that'd be a great idea. So I also felt like more adults, more adults making you think. And in time, of course, things change. It's been almost 17 years of, of things happening where feelings are getting hurt. Hurt and yeah.

[Ty]

Mistakes being made.

[Becky]

Mistakes being made. Yeah.

[Ty]

So because that's life, that's relationships. Right. That's the whole. Yeah.

[Becky]

But also a 16 year old kid, you're not thinking about that. You're not thinking, of course, oh, as what happens in a year if we do something to make them mad.

[Kate]

Right.

[Becky]

Are they gonna, are they gonna slip it out from underneath this? You're not thinking about those things. If you guys would have made the decision to parent, how do you think you would have stayed together, do you think?

[Kate]

I mean, you look at the teen parents and the rates of them staying together when you have a baby, it's not very high. And I don't, I don't think so. The stress, the craziness at my house, I'm pretty sure I probably would have ended up living at Kim's house with Ty.

[Becky]

And then you guys would have been.

[Ty]

And here's the thing, my mom and someone actually commented recently saying, why don't you ever blame Kim? It's like, well, I do blame Kim. I do blame my mom. Because.

[Kate]

And you guys have had that conversation.

[Ty]

Yeah, and we have.

[Becky]

And she also takes accountability.

[Ty]

She did. Because my son. Sister was living with us with her two kids and her baby daddy.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Poor, no money. My mom's losing the house. Like, it was. So even if. Even if me and Kate decided to

[Kate]

parent, and then I would have been there. Match.

[Ty]

Like. Yeah, that would even. Would have been an option. I think at that point, my mom would have been like, you need to just go live with her and her family. And I knew at that point, like, oh, my God, like, there's no way that we can do this right. You know, in this environment. Because it only got worse after.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

The adoption happened. Her mom got deeper into it. My dad got deeper into it.

[Kate]

Well, I remember being, like, very, very pregnant when we lived at Johnny Lego's place. Like. Yeah. And I think, yeah, it started to progress more because I remember, you know, back in the day, the home phones, if somebody was on it, you could pick it up and you could hear what they're talking about. And I vividly remember my mom was on the phone with this black guy named Cudi.

[Ty]

Cudi.

[Kate]

And she was like. She was on the phone with him, and she's like, hey, you know, can I meet up and get an eight ball? And I remember I freaked out. Or a teener.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And I remember I screamed in the phone. I'm like, you're a. Like, I went off on her. I mean, I worked.

[Becky]

How old were you?

[Kate]

I was. I was pregnant with Carly at this time. Oh.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

I mean, I worked myself up to the point where literally I got sick. Literally vomited all over my bedroom. I literally. That's how worked up I got. Because you have to think I was still in denial. I'm like, my mom doesn't do drugs.

[Becky]

Yeah. So now there's no way you can be in the doll after that.

[Kate]

And then my mom tried to play it off on me, and she was like, oh, that's.

[Becky]

That's weed.

[Kate]

Mind you, when I was the ages of 12 to 15, until I got pregnant, I was a massive pothead. I'm not afraid to admit it. Don't do it anymore. Can't do it. Gives me anxiety. But I remember looking at my mom and I'm like, I'm not an idiot. I know what a teener is. I'm not dumb.

[Becky]

What is a Tina?

[Kate]

It's cocaine.

[Ty]

But. But. Yeah, but you don't say teener for weed.

[Kate]

No, I'm like, I'm not an idiot.

[Ty]

Or a dime or A gram?

[Kate]

A half?

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

You know, or whatever.

[Becky]

Did your mom know that you smoke pot back then?

[Ty]

Oh, yeah.

[Kate]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Becky]

Okay.

[Kate]

Okay. She wasn't happy about it in the beginning.

[Ty]

No.

[Kate]

No. But yeah.

[Becky]

Oh, at least she wasn't happy about it.

[Kate]

Yeah, she wasn't.

[Becky]

At least she wasn't like, come smoke with me, babe.

[Ty]

But I remember you calling me and telling me that. And I think that was the first kind of like, realization that it was like Kate was like, okay, I'm getting it now. I'm accepting it's not as. I think my mom's a little deeper than.

[Kate]

And I walked. And then I walked in my mom's room the one time and Butch was sitting so high on crack. And I started going off on him. I could tell he was high. And he talks about that. Remember he said he was like, I was absolutely.

[Ty]

I was frozen. Cuz my dad, like, my dad was a crackhead. But he never. I never see my dad high ever.

[Kate]

He never. He used to always like leave. Oh, bing.

[Ty]

Like three days. We don't know if he's dead. Call the Morris call.

[Kate]

Even at first, when he live with my mom, like, he'd be gone, you know, we're like, we don't know if he's in jail, dead or somewhere high. Right.

[Ty]

So.

[Becky]

So when he was home, he wasn't.

[Kate]

No.

[Becky]

Right. Okay.

[Ty]

Okay. Maybe he was coming down. I don't really know.

[Kate]

But my mom so badly didn't want him to leave and not know where he was anymore. My mom was like, well, just don't worry about it. You can smoke it in the house. Like, it's totally fine. And then the one time he did, I walked in on him and I freaked out. I could smell it. Like, it just.

[Ty]

Yeah, it smells like burnt rubber band smell.

[Kate]

Weird. Yeah. And. But also when he's high on, he can't talk. He's literally mute.

[Ty]

Not like him.

[Kate]

No, he can't talk. And so I was just going in on his ass. So then I think that's when it started bringing the awareness of like, this is not a good.

[Becky]

Can't do it.

[Ty]

And then she would call me and say, I gotta get out of here, I gotta get out of here.

[Kate]

His sister would come pick me up, you know. Yeah.

[Ty]

I think from that point on is when I was finally able to be like, talk to Kate about like, all right, I think our parents are really up. You know what I'm saying? Not just my dad, but I think your mom's.

[Becky]

Your mom's house.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

She was struggling.

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they. We got evicted out of the giant Legos in what, eight months?

[Kate]

I don't even remember.

[Ty]

Yeah, I think it was like eight months. But yeah, I mean, it was. It was a.

[Kate]

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[Ty]

One thing I think people don't know is that me and Kate flip flopped multiple times.

[Becky]

I was going to bring that up because another thing you see constantly is like, Tyler made you give.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

And I'm like, I must watch weak

[Kate]

ass bitch to choose a man or my kid. You know, I'd like to say When

[Becky]

I got pregnant at 17, to me, you took his thoughts into account.

[Kate]

Yeah, because I went into it the whole time like, this isn't just my baby.

[Becky]

But I'm like, clearly she had other reasons, guys. You know, like, it's not just Tyler wants it, so we're gonna do it. No, it was. She's looking at. I'm like, so she named off all these other things that it's just an excuse. And it's only because.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

I'm like, we're watching this too, guys. We see what she's living in. Like she. And she's saying these things. So why do we not believe it? And we thinking that it's only because Tyler wants it.

[Kate]

I know, it's wild.

[Ty]

Which is one of those things was like, listen, at this point, for sure, I'll wear the hat, whatever. Yeah, I think you guys are watching. I think what it is is that you're watching an innocent woman, girl in crisis. And so you want to blame somebody. I understand that you're mad. It shouldn't happen. So as a society. Oh, who's a blame her mom. Well, her boyfriend or. You know what I mean? It's in a sort of little single day. Fine. If that's the hat you want me to wear, I'll wear it. It's not true.

[Kate]

And actually, it comes back to like, why don't we talk about the system in place we have for women that find themselves in this situation. There's no support.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

For the young parents at all. There's nothing.

[Ty]

And my hope, that is the problem. And honestly, 16 are pregnant. When they were filming, they would leave for like two weeks, three weeks then, and then come back and film. So there was multiple times that they were not covering this on camera, that we were flip flopping. I want a parent. I'm ready to go. Me, my mom, we're gonna go to Salvation Army. When she called me and said, we're

[Kate]

all right, you can't do it, I said, mom.

[Ty]

She changed her mind. We gotta. My mom was like, all right, we'll go to Salvation army on Tuesday and we will. You know what I mean? Go get.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

That was never documented, but it was never documented.

[Kate]

So people, they only believe what's documented.

[Becky]

There's like two clips that I was able to find. And I even asked like, where's the clip where Ty gave her the ultimatum? Like, did we see this? Are you guys. I found two clips where you guys were just talking about. One was before where y' all were like, do you think we'll make it if we keep the baby. And you were like, I don't think. Like, I think it's gonna be too difficult. Yeah, I didn't. I personally didn't take that as you saying, we can't.

[Ty]

Right.

[Becky]

I didn't take a breakup with you if I just took it as you seen, like, looking to the future and saying. And I didn't hear that. I didn't hear you say, well, Caitlin, we can't keep the baby. I'm not gonna be here if you decide that.

[Kate]

Right.

[Becky]

I heard you say, like, I don't think we'll make it.

[Ty]

I was being realistic. I was like, yeah, based off of this, I don't think it's gonna happen.

[Kate]

Happened.

[Becky]

Yeah. So I didn't. And I don't know if those are the clips where you guys are. One time was after. After the baby had been placed, where I think you asked again, do you think we would have made it? Or maybe you asked. One of y' all asked.

[Ty]

There's actually three clips that I remember specifically the one on the bed where, yeah, we wouldn't make it. No, we don't. Then there was one behind the scenes one where we were having a barbecue at my mom's in my mom's backyard. And you were pregnant or. No, you.

[Becky]

No.

[Ty]

Yeah, you were. I think you were pregnant, about to pop, actually. That's how they were filming a barbecue in a picture. Huge. And. And my sister asked you a question saying, well, don't just do it because Tyler wants to do it or whatever like that. And you. And you said something like, well, no, but, you know, obviously there's a reason for it. I can't remember exactly how it went, but I remember that clip. Then there's another clip, season four, when they took team. I'm off the air, and we're on

[Becky]

that hill and by the lake or whatever.

[Ty]

We're on the. Yeah, we're on the hill. I have a stupid fedora hat on. And. And I asked you, do. Or I asked you, like, do you. Did you do this just because of me? And you said something along lines of, well, Earl, I said, were you afraid that I would leave you?

[Becky]

Yes.

[Ty]

Yeah. Were you afraid that I would leave? And you're like, well, yeah, I was afraid that we. You would leave me. We would. But I think in the way I was, like, I was afraid we just weren't gonna make it.

[Kate]

Yeah, that was my fear. Yeah.

[Ty]

But. And then. And then you said, you're just lucky that I took.

[Becky]

Took your opinions into consideration.

[Ty]

Consideration. And at that point I was like, yeah, you're. I am glad. However, this was always your decision, though, regardless of what. I am happy you took my opinion and consideration. But at the end of the day, this is. This was your decision. I mean, I. I can't make you do something you don't want to do, but those are the three clips that I feel like that they kind of put together and goes, oh, it confirms the bias that they believe that I did this and which is like, fine, sure, dude. But you don't also, you didn't see the part because it wasn't filmed of me saying, I really want a parent and Kate going like, no way. And I'm like, we can live at my house. All these things. We flip flop, I think twice where we are both wanting the different things. And so why would I. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

You clearly. You clearly wasn't so pro adoption the entire time to where Kate felt like she couldn't make the decision that she couldn't.

[Kate]

No, because the time that. Yeah, because the time that I called him and I was like, no, I can't do it. I need a parent. He was like, okay, I'll talk to my mom. Like, we'll figure something out. He was very supportive about that, too. Yeah.

[Ty]

Yeah. I was all freaking out still, but still. But I'm like, all right.

[Kate]

Well, even I was even knowing that I wanted to change my mind, you know?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And then you called me very soon. I think it was like, not even a couple days that you have.

[Kate]

It was probably like a week, maybe.

[Ty]

Yeah, no, actually, it was longer than a week. So I remember thinking my head like, mom, we have to go get the crib from Salvation Army. I was like, waiting for it. And she worked. And I was like, yeah.

[Kate]

So it was a minute, right?

[Ty]

It was a minute where we were like, all right, we're parenting. And that's when obviously your mom got the bassinet and.

[Kate]

Yeah. All the clothes and all that stuff.

[Becky]

Yeah, because there's also. I heard somebody say that, like, April had said that she didn't know until right there at the end that you were going to place the baby.

[Kate]

No, it's a lie.

[Becky]

Well, I watched the episode this morning and I'm seeing where. Where, you know, she's telling you, like, I think you make a great mom. And you guys are talking about adoption. And so I'm like, how does she not know? Like, up until when, like, we just

[Kate]

had this conversation most recently of a few weekends ago, and I. And I truly Think. And I told her this. I said, mom, because I went off on her kind of. And I was like, how do you. I was like, yeah. And I was. And I was telling her, I was like, legally. And I even reach out to dawn to ask. And it is true. I. And I knew it was, but I wanted to have, you know, receipt.

[Becky]

Make sure. Make sure. Yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

I was like, mom, I was a minor. You also had to sign something in order for dawn to even frickin talk to me. And you signed that. And so I told her, I said, I think that you were just going through all your own shit. You were not sober. I said. And also I said, adoptions traumatizing and you might have blocked a lot of crap.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And like she was. Her and my dad were deep into that shit. So I honestly feel April was so fudge up. And she was also sad and just traumatized in her own shit that I don't know if she's like, yeah, but

[Kate]

anybody thinks that that's true. I don't.

[Becky]

I mean, I've seen people run with it, like, yeah, no, I didn't even know. They didn't even tell April. And I'm like.

[Ty]

And then I hear people comment. They're saying like, you should have listened to your mom. And I'm like, oh my God. I said listen. Okay, I want to pause everyone.

[Becky]

April and Butch told you guys to keep it. I'm like, I wouldn't listen to them either.

[Kate]

No.

[Ty]

Literally telling me that I should have listened to April and. But in April in the middle and the height of their addiction.

[Becky]

What's crazy is going back then when the show was airing, everybody was on your side. Everybody was like, don't listen to them. People were making comments about how you guys got more sense than in the adults in the situation. Like people was literally praising you guys for being able to do what you guys were doing despite, you know, your parents trying to talk you guys out of it. People were literally praising him. That's another question I have. What is that like to go from shifting, being praised for making the decision to place the baby for adoption despite obviously you guys want. There's a part of you guys that wanted the baby, it's your baby, of course, to all of a sudden all these years later, now you're like hated

[Ty]

for it or I think it's a perfect representation of how adoption. We look at adoption. It's because it was such a glorified, praiseworthy, courageous thing that our society looks at adoption as this beautiful life saving baby saving Thing. And so the moment that me and Kate had any, like.

[Kate]

Like, we were like, sometimes it's hard,

[Ty]

or sometimes we would see in, like, season two or three about how. Ooh, Brain Teresa. We don't even know their last name, and this is kind of shitty. And the moment that we started kind of questioning the system that we were a victim to, that's when the side. I feel like that's when the shift happened. Everyone was like, all right, wait a minute. These people are.

[Becky]

They're not appreciative.

[Ty]

Yeah. And then. And then it. Will. Birth parents. Get over it. Get over it. And it's like. It's so. To me, I. I don't really give a. That the. The people, you know, change their mind about supporting us and not what. Because what I'm. What I'm. It's just validating to me.

[Kate]

Yeah. Our goal has shifted. Really. It's like, okay, we need to educate people more about the reality of it.

[Ty]

Because, listen, like. Like, we went. Went for a year after relinquishing that. We went and did Pro Life March. We went.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Speaking engagements, and we were. And, you know, going to therapy and stuff, realizing that, like, that was our own. That was our. That was our way of trying to, like, heal.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And make sense of the trauma that we went through. Oh, and that's what adoption does. Right. You do it. You feel this immense grief and loss. And what do you do with the grief and loss? You. You wrap it in a bow. You make it something. Inspiration.

[Becky]

A great thing.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Oh, this was great.

[Ty]

Different. You.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

You feel something really bad, and then you say, but. But she's so happy and great that you don't ever sit with those hard feelings.

[Becky]

And I think it's okay for you guys to have the feelings that you have, but also acknowledge that, like. Okay, she's great. Like.

[Kate]

She is.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Becky]

You know, two things can be true

[Ty]

at the same time.

[Becky]

Right.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

I can. I can, you know, be sad and have grief and. And be devastated about it and then

[Kate]

also be happy for what she has. Yeah.

[Ty]

Happy and grateful that, in a way, she has got everything. What we wanted, she got.

[Kate]

She got. Right.

[Ty]

You know what I mean? And so when I say that, I. When people say, do you regret the adoption? I regret it for me.

[Becky]

Right.

[Ty]

I don't regret it for Carly.

[Becky]

Right.

[Ty]

I regret it for me. Being a young, scared.

[Becky]

Right.

[Ty]

Teenager.

[Kate]

Vulnerable.

[Ty]

Yeah. I mean, that's so not told the full truth.

[Kate]

Teenager.

[Ty]

Yeah. I think people get kind of, like, mad, like, oh. You know, it's like, Just admit that you regret it. Well, of course I regret it. Not for her. I'm happy that she's got what she got, but for us, yeah, of course I regret it. You know?

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

So I think two things can be true at the same time.

[Kate]

It's a literal term of, like, bittersweet.

[Becky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense.

[Ty]

Whatever you want to call it. Yeah. But I think, like, you know, that's why I think people shifting their opinion about us. It's. It's. I'm like. I'm like, you know what? This makes sense. This. This.

[Kate]

Because our culture is so brainwashed to think that it's. That you can't all unicorns and rainbows and cupcakes. And it's like, well, they have the unicorns, rainbows, and cupcakes. There's also, you know, hardships and sadness and grief and sorrow.

[Ty]

I think society's not ready to hear that. They want to more or less like, oh, well, if you had a hard time, just. Just stay over there and just deal with it by yourself quietly. And it's like, well, no, I. I'm not going to be with it quietly. I need. I think it's something we need to talk about, clearly, because especially the more adoptees. Yeah. How quickly did society change your perception of us? So, so quickly, so fast, you guys,

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[Becky]

Well, I think first off, a lot of people did not understand that open. Some open adoption is not legally binding in most states. I didn't know that. Right. You know, a lot of people. So you guys possibly saved young girls in crisis who were thinking they were gonna. That thought they could go in and get an open adoption for maybe not doing it. You know what I'm saying? Because no one like, oh, I can't live the rest of my life and not be able to write a letter, see a picture or something. But so anybody that's heard that, that now is away. So I definitely think there needs to be the discussion. The discussion needs to be had about the truth about adoption. Yes.

[Ty]

It needs to be a part of it. Yeah, it needs to. We need to talk about it. We have to. I don't. We can't keep ignoring it. We have to keep talking about it. But I'm telling you, that's why they're so mad at us, is because they're not ready to hear this.

[Kate]

And we're talking also too about other, like, legal ways that you can do it. You can give somebody permanent guardianship, but then you still are protected.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

You know what I mean about having rights and things like that.

[Ty]

And when I tell people that adoption is a legal transferring of. It's illegal, it's a legal proceeding. It's not a.

[Kate]

It's literally all right.

[Ty]

You can literally do permanent legal guardianship. And it's. And it's the same exact way. It's just that it protects.

[Kate]

Well, and it also protects the. Some of the adoptees rights too. Like, you know, then they don't get their original birth certificate stripped from them that they can never find again. You know, all of their stuff should

[Ty]

be protected under the fourth.

[Becky]

Do you guys have a birth certificate for Carly where y' all are listed as her parents? Like, do y'.

[Kate]

All.

[Becky]

Did y' all get one?

[Ty]

Yeah, well, I went and signed the affidavit.

[Kate]

I think dawn sent me it recently.

[Becky]

Recently.

[Kate]

I don't know if she said. I don't know if it was the. No, it wasn't the original. I don't have her original birth certificate. No, I don't.

[Ty]

But I remember.

[Kate]

But I have something.

[Ty]

I remember making sure that I was on it because you have to get the original birth certificate for them to leave the hospital, all that stuff or whatever.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

And then they pretty much just.

[Kate]

Well, they asked me, they were like, do you want Ty to be on? And I said absolutely.

[Ty]

And so I signed the affidavit to be on there. Cuz at first I was like, I don't need to, I don't need to be on it. And Dawn's like, no, I think it's really important. And I remember another, another instance where dawn kind of came through.

[Becky]

Right, right.

[Ty]

And so she was like, no, I think it's really important you. I think you should sign the affidavit and get your name on.

[Kate]

I wonder if we could ever get it. I don't know, we might not be

[Ty]

able to support it. Yeah, but, and so, and, and that's one thing is that once the birth certificate gets changed, that's what adoption does. It erases the rights of the adoptee to have their original birth certificate. And now they have a brand new one. So what, what really what's. Is legally you're erasing this original thing, which has information that the adoptee might want or need or deserve to have,

[Kate]

especially for people that are enclosed and stuff.

[Becky]

Yeah, yeah. That's the thing about it.

[Ty]

And people don't understand, understand that they can't get their original birth certificate. It's sealed. So they literally are denied. It's. It's a human right to be able to get your birth certificate. Right under the Fourth Amendment.

[Becky]

As an almost 40 year old woman, if I went to try to get my original and I was told no, I'd be like, it's mine.

[Ty]

It's a human right. But it's not for adoptees. Which means that's what we're talking about. When it's like they deserve.

[Kate]

They get certain rights stripped from them.

[Ty]

Right.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Ty]

And so adoption is not necessary to provide safe external care for children. It's not necessary. It's a legal proceeding.

[Kate]

People hate on us.

[Ty]

Yeah, they do. Yeah.

[Becky]

Yeah, you guys definitely get it. There was a scene from this show where right after you guys found out that they did not want no pictures. Do you guys. I know we wanted to be careful with what we talked about today. I want to. I'm not mentioning a name. There was a clip from the show that you still get a lot of hate because it was after you found out, like no pictures. I think, like, don't put it. And you're like, what the heck? Like, why can't I post no pictures? And you're like, I don't care.

[Kate]

Care.

[Becky]

And you're like, I do, though. If it stops us from being able to see. I care. And you're like, well, I don't. And you still get hate. And I've talked about this on my. On my channel.

[Ty]

I deserve the hate there. That's totally legit. Young Dom, arrogant, prideful.

[Becky]

Okay.

[Ty]

Yeah. I mean, I think I.

[Kate]

Feeling like we had, you know. Yes.

[Ty]

I mean, I think. I think I definitely deserve the criticism there.

[Kate]

I.

[Ty]

In my opinion. So, I mean, it's not. It's. It's. It's just when you're told things behind the closed doors and when things don't make sense to me and it feels like an injustice, that's.

[Becky]

But I thought we were seeing, like, real life, real feelings in that moment.

[Ty]

That's why I'm like, oh, no, this was. This was a pickup scene that we had to do.

[Kate]

But those were your real thoughts.

[Ty]

That's how I really thought. Yeah, but. But it wasn't. Didn't happen at that exact. In that moment in that way.

[Becky]

But you were still angry in the moment when it was filmed. Because I was like, you know, we're here to watch a show about teen pregnancy, and they chose the route for adoption. So they're just told this. This is the first change that's really happening towards something they thought that they would always get. So he is sharing his real authentic feelings of feeling like, what the heck? Like, no, I'm still gonna do it. I don't care. And you being like, no, like, don't do it. If it takes this right away from us, I don't want us to do it.

[Ty]

Yeah. So in the scene is, like, when I'm posting that. That. That clip of the. The. This.

[Kate]

Yeah, the video that you made.

[Ty]

I already posted. So MTV missed the. The original thing that happened where Teresa calls us and says, like, so I

[Kate]

already knew that they were pissed.

[Ty]

So we are. So Kate already knew. We already knew the rep. We already knew that they were pissed about it. We already knew we were in trouble for it. But MTV didn't get to cover it.

[Becky]

So they wanted you to reenact.

[Ty]

We had to do a pickup scene. They call pickup scenes where we had to pretend that I was submitting the video right then and there. Kate already knew at this point that

[Kate]

they were upset with us.

[Ty]

They were upset with us. However, the reality of it is, is that when they decided to do the whole Lifelines magazine, anything we thought, oh, this is. This is the green light right I mean, why would you. You know what I'm saying?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

She's posted on the front cover.

[Ty]

Show me first. When I first posted it, that was

[Becky]

around the same time.

[Ty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Becky]

So when I first.

[Ty]

When I first posted it, Kate wasn't like, oh, my God, like, don't do that. Like, oh, my God, we're gonna get in trouble. It was more like, oh, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, they showed her face. So now we can share this with people. Our fan page, whatever it was. And so I get why the way the scene plays out, why you would have that criticism or that hate for me.

[Kate]

Well, like you said. Yeah, we. We both did. I mean, there's parts of me, too, sometimes where I felt very entitled and like, hey, I created this little human. I gave you this little human. I should get some things. Like, you're young and you're dumb. You. You know.

[Ty]

Yeah. But I do think that that scene got played out in a way that was not the way it really, like, happened. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Okay.

[Ty]

Not to justify. Like I said, I deserve the criticism, whatever, because I did real. Still feel that way. It just was. It. I would. I didn't have as much opposition from Kate that it looked like I did in the real time, in real. The real situation. Because even Kate was like, oh, yeah.

[Becky]

I mean, because she didn't know.

[Ty]

We didn't know we were in trouble for it, because at that moment, we were like, dude, what's the big deal?

[Kate]

And then also, too, I think when that happened, too, I think it was great. A great learning experience, because then we were able to have the conversation with Brandon. Yeah.

[Becky]

Y' all set down with them later on.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

And you have. You have made the comment, like, when you tell me not to do something, makes me want to do it. You got a lot of hate for that, too.

[Ty]

Which. Which makes sense. But. And I think when it comes. They missed. They. They cut that. I said something after that, though. I said, it makes me want to do that, and I don't want to do that. Or I can't remember what they. But when they said. When you said, yeah, when you don't give me your reason, it makes you want to just.

[Becky]

It.

[Ty]

Then what? If you can't give me a good enough reason for it, then it doesn't justify me not not being able to do it. Because if it was that big enough deal to you, you would have a reason, a logical reason to not do it, and you're not doing that.

[Becky]

And people that are autistic, they need A reason. Like having two kids, like, if you can't give them first off, not even a reason, but a reason that makes sense to them. They're like, that's a struggle for them.

[Ty]

No, and literally. And that's what happened with the whole post in the picture thing, because I was like, oh, they're in a magazine. We're done hiding your face.

[Becky]

Now would you say you get it, that, like, if they tell me, as her parents, if they tell me not to do something, I can't do it. It is what it is.

[Ty]

Right. And that's why I want to have the conversation all together in person. And that's why dawn was trying to be very much diplomatic. And I was like, yeah, you know, this is my moment. I don't. I don't.

[Kate]

Let's just say this whole relationship we've struggled with, me and Ty are very blunt. We speak our minds, we speak our feelings. Like, you know, let's have a conversation. How do you feel? This is how we feel. How does it affect you? Oh, great. This is how it affects me. Like, let's do this. Ebb and flow. They haven't been. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Because they come from this standpoint of, we're her parents. We don't have to justify anything to you guys. We don't have to tell you why we're making.

[Ty]

And that's true. That's true. Totally understandable.

[Becky]

And I think part in your mind, especially somebody who's autistic, that you're like, but, yeah, but I'm a birth parent, so can you give me a reason here?

[Ty]

Well, I think my point is that I put myself in their shoes all

[Kate]

the time, and we do all the time. I feel like we have.

[Ty]

And if I can't, if I have this sense of, well, I don't have to give you a reason, then it can't be that big of a deal. Yeah, if it was so important to me, I would tell you the reason why, clear as day.

[Kate]

Why is going to be of why

[Ty]

it's important to me. So for you to be like, well, we don't have to tell you. It's like. I was like, I'm like, what?

[Kate]

But I think. I think from the beginning, now you accept it.

[Becky]

Would you say now you're like, okay,

[Ty]

of course now I accept it. However, I still would like a reason.

[Kate]

Right. And, you know, and from. And from when that happened, like, other things changed. And it was like, you know, we had a conversation with Brian and Teresa when, you know, after we had the Conversation. And no was born. And Carly got to meet her for, you know, when she was nine months old or whatever. It led into us having the conversation with her parents again about, like. Because I got this really cute picture of her meeting Nova for the first time. And she's, like, looking at Noah, but her hair is covering her face, like, perfectly. And you can see Nova's like. She's all like, cheese and smiling.

[Becky]

I think. Is that It's a line.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah, it is online. Yeah.

[Kate]

And so I remember I reached out to them and I was like. I was like, this is just so cute. Can I post this one? You can't see her face or anything. And then that's when we establish the boundary of. How about this? If you can't see your face and you can't basically just see her face, I'm okay with you posting it.

[Becky]

And that's. I think this is why people say they put up a boundary and you guys keep crossing it because you keep posting her afterwards. We don't ever show her face. I. I'm wondering if that's what people are getting, is that you guys were given permission to post pictures that do not show her face.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

That's what I mean. They don't know that happened because they didn't happen on camera.

[Becky]

Right.

[Kate]

That was a private conversation.

[Becky]

Don't post her. We don't want you guys to post. I'm gonna post her anyways. And then you're posting pictures far from behind posting the picture.

[Kate]

That'd be different.

[Becky]

Of course he's still posting. They're still from that perception.

[Ty]

I get why you're like, you guys kept crossing boundaries. Yeah, of course. But it's like, no, that wasn't really believe happened.

[Becky]

I'm wondering. I think. Think so.

[Kate]

Yeah. And that's why, like, even when I have that live with you, that one day I was like, that wasn't. That's not our boundaries. How do you know our boundaries? But I don't.

[Becky]

That's why several times I always see, like, they cry and I'm like, what are I. I cover them and I don't know what the boundaries are. Don't show her face. I actually knew that it was, you can post. Just don't show her face. Because one of you guys had told me that at some point, like, no, we could post. We just couldn't post her face from the last visit.

[Kate]

It was always back.

[Ty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Becky]

But I think people thought like, oh, here they go again, posting a picture of her.

[Kate]

I get it. Yeah. If you didn't know. Yeah, that would know.

[Ty]

Yeah, you idiots. That totally makes sense. The problem is, when it comes to parasocial reality tv, people watching clips of a show, you don't know the conversations we have.

[Kate]

Right. We have a private life too. You know,

[Becky]

y' all were sending gifts all the time. It was supposed to go through Dawn. And I'm like. But I think that was something they changed.

[Ty]

Yeah, they gave us their address in a. In a. In a card.

[Kate]

Yeah, it was like a gift. It's like a gift. And their last name was a gift.

[Ty]

And we opened the card, and it was blank. Or it had what?

[Kate]

Like, it didn't click at first.

[Ty]

It didn't click. We're like, oh, what? We thought we're gonna get pictures, but that. I'm like, remember? I was being like, oh, I don't understand what's going on? And then after, in the last name, I was like, oh, this is the gift. This is like the. Whatever.

[Becky]

Okay, so they gave y' all permission to start sending gifts to their home.

[Kate]

Yes, it did. In the beginning. It did start off like, you come to the agency, the agency will give you the pictures. You can give me gifts. You know, they'll send us gifts. And then thankfully. And I'm glad for that, because eventually it's so much easier.

[Ty]

And guess. And guess who's facilitated that. Dawn.

[Becky]

Dawn. Yeah.

[Ty]

Dawn's the one that said, listen, give them the address. Let. Let them in a little bit. Do what I'm saying. So, like, that also comes to the point where Don came through there. You know what I mean? So, yeah, Yeah. I think there's a lot of things people don't know, which is like, I get it. And if you're watching a TV show that's. That's cut and edited in this way, I get why you have this perception. That totally makes sense.

[Becky]

Well, see, something that's. That I've understood, too. It. Covering these people. You have this one idea, but then you start talking to them, and you get. Start getting more information, and you're like, so it changes things a little bit. So I've heard people talk about, like, oh, you know, Jordy goes and visits them, and then he switches up. And I'm like, well, probably because he got more information that made. Made maybe their actions make a little bit more sense. Something that he was dragging them for. Now he's like, oh, didn't know that. Okay, makes sense. I don't think Jordy doesn't type. He's the type of person that would come here not get more information, but go back home and just switch up just because he met you guys.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Becky]

I feel like he would still be the type that.

[Kate]

Because even. Even when we met in person, he said. He's like, do I still. Do I still agree with everything? No. He's like, do I understand more? And it's opened my mind up a little bit more to things. He's like, absolutely. And I'm like, hey. And me and Ty even said. We're like, we weren't even trying to change your mind. We just wanted to give you the full truth if you speak on it.

[Ty]

And that's kind of why, when we have interviews like this, I wanted to give you this opportunity of, like, you know, ask the hard ask, whatever these. You. You see the comments more than we do. As far as I hate on us. So, like, this is like, lay it out, because I want to make sure that you have this opportunity. I want. I don't want people to say the same thing that they said about Jordyn. About you.

[Kate]

Yeah. Or what did they say?

[Ty]

Oh, you switched up. You came there, you met them in person. Now you're. So I want you to make sure you ask any. This is your shot.

[Becky]

Okay. Yesterday, girl, I had some questions yesterday that I was like, they were the hard ones, but I was like, I think I. I can ask them because I think you guys know how to answer them. Okay. There's this comment that I've seen several times about, you left Kate. You cheated on her with a guy or something.

[Kate]

We play on that a lot too, though, so it probably doesn't help.

[Ty]

You're in it because you.

[Kate]

I know I'm an. I can't help it.

[Becky]

I'm trying to think of some stuff that I am. Like messages. The things with the messages.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

Now I read those messages.

[Ty]

Thank God. I almost read the sentence, too.

[Becky]

Yes. I read those messages in totality.

[Ty]

So wait, clarification. You read the messages unredacted?

[Becky]

Unredacted? Yes.

[Ty]

In order?

[Becky]

In order. Okay. Now, when this all first came out, I got some hate because I wasn't covering it, but I was. It's because I was trying to wait for everything to come out, to put it in order. I was like, I need the order to this. I realized I have everything that's been put out. There's no order because things are not put out in order. There's things that's missing. That's why. That's why something's not making sense. We're jumping from one topic to the next. Topic. And one thing that I. People say, oh, they reach out to miners. They're, you know, they're. They're. They're harassing them. They're reaching out to minors, trying to find out about, you know, whatever. And. Have you guys ever started a conversation with a minor to get information?

[Kate]

No.

[Ty]

No, they. We never. They always reach out to us.

[Kate]

And it's been a minor and actually it's been more even after that fact.

[Becky]

Really?

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

I had some lady call me, like, I'm friends with Teresa, and she wanted me to call you. I said, if Teresa wanted her to talk to me, you can have your friend call me. Thank you. Then I've had some other lady call me.

[Ty]

I've had people, the brain ins.

[Kate]

I've had people. I've literally had people text me, like, hey, this is Carly. I'm on my friend's phone. Yeah, can you. And I'll write back and be like, you catfishes need to get better at your game, bro. You know, or whatever.

[Ty]

They're still coming after us. They're still.

[Kate]

Yeah, it still happens.

[Ty]

They're still reaching out to us, these people.

[Kate]

Would you.

[Becky]

If you could go back when you guys were first reached out to. If you could go back, would you shut it down right then?

[Ty]

I would have never talked as long as I did.

[Kate]

Right. That was wrong.

[Ty]

I think that was like, as far when it comes to all the message stuff, like. Like the concerning things that I was hearing from multiple different numbers. Like, like the multiple people that I was hearing from was so concerning that.

[Kate]

Oh, and what people don't even know too, is, like, before we got those text messages that were saying all these bad things were happening, we were getting emails from this person called, like, whistleblower, and she was saying the same exact things. She's. We got that first and then we got these messages and we're like, whoa,

[Ty]

too much stuff happening at once.

[Becky]

That's what happened to me right before is I got emails saying, I know them. This is how I know them. And she is unhappy. She wants to see them. She don't understand catfish, too.

[Ty]

Yeah. Creators were catfish. Yeah.

[Becky]

Yes. And this person knew information, like addresses, schools and all the things. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is so. This is so bad. Like, this. Oh, my God. Like, poor her.

[Ty]

Right?

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

And so that's what I'm saying. Like, I, I don't. I. I think natural as a parent, of course I'm gonna respond and be

[Kate]

like, whether you've relinquished a bio parent.

[Ty]

Yeah. I mean, the fact that, like. Like, of course I'm gonna respond, because these are. These are allegations that are so concerning. I'm like, what the hell is going on?

[Becky]

It would be, like, new information that made you believe that they.

[Ty]

Of course, because if they didn't have any information that made me believe that they knew her in some way, I'd been like, you're an idiot. Get out of here. Yeah, but it was. It was too much. It was too much information that they. That no one else knew.

[Becky]

So it was either. So it is somebody that knows her or it's somebody that's dug into her to get this information, which is very concerning.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Yeah. All concerning. Right. So, yeah, my whole thing is that like. Like, my. My biggest regret is talking as long as I did with this person, you know, I shouldn't have let it go on as long as it did, I guess, but. But I don't really. I mean, I'm a dad, and if anyone reach out to me with. Concerning things about any of my children, I'm gonna. I'm gonna inquire.

[Becky]

They had information that told you they made me believe.

[Ty]

You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Right. And.

[Kate]

Which is the whole point of Catfish.

[Becky]

Yeah, true.

[Ty]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Becky]

One thing that I realized in reading them is this person wanted to be the person to. To give you the best advice, and that knew Carly better than anybody. She didn't want dawn giving you information. She questioned Dawn. She. Dr. Drew. Why is Dr. Drew saying that? That's not right? Like, no, why did dawn tell you that that's not right? This is how. Carl. This is how she feels. You know? And I thought that was so weird that, like, they kept. They kept trying to. You're like, well, Don said this is what's going on. No, no, no. Why would she say that that's not true? Because this is what's happening, right? You're like, wait, what? Really? So this. This is how she feels about this? Yeah, this. I don't know why that would tell you that. It's like this person wanted to be the one person. Even though dawn has been with you guys through all of this, even though Dr. Phil. Dr. Drew has been in this a little bit, and he is a doctor or counselor or whatever. They wanted you guys to think, well, they don't know what's going on because this is her friend, potentially, or an adult that knows or whatever.

[Kate]

And if it was a friend, of course they would probably know how she really feels. Is she too afraid to tell her parents?

[Becky]

Right, right. You know, that's what they Were letting you believe.

[Kate]

Like, it doesn't bring over.

[Becky]

Because this is how she really felt about it. Yeah. I don't know, maybe she didn't want to be honest, you know, with, with her parents to tell dawn, but this, this is how she really feels. So then you're in this, like, position of like, like, this is the only person that I have telling me the truth about what's going on.

[Ty]

Source of real, real truth that's happening. You read the message unreacted. What was your, what was your take from all the messages? What was your.

[Becky]

I mean, this person reached out to you on multiple platform. Like, oh, I can't send you a message here. So. Message, I'm going to message you here. Whatever. Well, for one thing is, you guys weren't reaching out to them. Trying to get information.

[Ty]

Reach out to them.

[Becky]

You guys weren't reaching out to them. When I see somebody say, like, like, oh, who's the guy? Catch a predator. Oh, catch a predator. They're reaching out to minors. You're thinking something sexual like, oh, my God, it was turned into that. I mean, people turned it into that. Like, yeah, which, oh, Tyler's in the bathroom at 3 o' clock in the morning texting the 16 year old, you know, and I'm like, wow, okay. I would say. I remember when I first read them and there was like, oh, y' all don't have to tell. Like, I think you were like the first one that was reaching out to you.

[Kate]

Oh, yeah. Because she said like, well, who is this Jennifer? Should I tell somebody? And I was like, if it was that big of a threat, I would tell you to. But no, it's not a threat.

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Kate]

You're like, yeah, I'm still betting this person.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Becky]

And then like, so there were things where I remember when I first, I was like, oh, like, if somebody was messing my kid this, like, hell no. Like, and I'm not gonna say there weren't things that I was like, yeah, Tyler shouldn't have said that.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Was that wrong on me? I don't. I mean, maybe, maybe I, I could have said, like, well, if you feel like it's, you know, harmful or disturbing, absolutely. Tell somebody.

[Ty]

Yeah.

[Kate]

You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Because the, the messages that were put out, definitely this person was playing the game. I know this person was playing the game. Saying things like about the church themselves. It's like, oh, church not good. Like, this is going on with it and it's getting way this way.

[Ty]

Only posting my response to that.

[Becky]

Then you're responding and you're like, well, yeah, that's kind of what I've seen with. This is my concern with. And, and then putting your response, not putting that. They started that conversation.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Ty]

Like I'm rarely gonna reach out to you and say your church is this, this and that.

[Kate]

You, You. Right, that's before that.

[Ty]

So imagine from my perspective when they're releasing these messages, I'm like, what though? This is completely.

[Becky]

Why didn't you ever think about putting the rest of them out?

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah. Why haven't, why haven't we.

[Becky]

I mean, I just think it would give more context and it would let other people see too, that this.

[Kate]

Are you like somebody like Ellen Ray put them out or something, you know?

[Ty]

Well, I guess my thing about at this point in time with this whole

[Kate]

text, it's been too long.

[Becky]

It's been a lot.

[Ty]

It's just like I, I know my truth. I'm so comfortable with it and I know what really happened that I don't. Releasing all the unredacted messages would do. What would it do? I'm. I'm telling you that this is what happened and you're choosing not to believe me. That's fine. So I think I'd beat a dead horse pretty much by releasing their unredacted. However, I do think that for people I can trust, like you and Ray and certain people that are. We're covering this stuff. And I was like, listen, if you're going to cover this stuff, you can hate on me all you want. I just want you to have the whole truth. Right?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

So that was my whole goal. And so like, I mean, I even told Ray, I said, ray, you have more information than some of these other creators do. Unredacted, fully unedited messages. So talk about it if you want to talk about it. And if someone doesn't believe you, they're not going to believe me either. So it doesn't really matter at this point. Like you can take it for what it is. But you know, I did think about releasing all the messages because it's like, well, why not at this point? But then I think in my head like, well, this is just stupid. Like, I'm not, I'm not here to convince the world of what happened because I know what happened. You know what I mean?

[Becky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ty]

So I guess my, I, I'm, I'm. I know my truth. You know what I mean? So I don't really feel the need to like.

[Kate]

And thankfully we live like that or else this world would eat us up. Like, the. The job that we have and stuff. It would eat us alive.

[Ty]

I went and attacked national television. Like, this way I'd be never. It'll be never ending.

[Becky]

I mean, I think it is. It. It sucks. Even me, like, as a creator, like, especially reading the messages, like, when I see somebody say something or, like, because I. I talked to you guys before about some of it. So, like, you want to jump. Like, especially when they're like, oh, catch a predator. Oh, they're texting miners. And I have responded at times, I'm like, listen, I don't agree. Definitely what they should have done is maybe reached out to dawn right when it happened. Like, hey, Dawn, I'm getting these messages. This is concerning.

[Kate]

Yeah, we did. Definitely waited too long to reach out to Dawn. We probably should have done it at the beginning.

[Ty]

I reached out to Dog. Probably, what, three months, two months after, Actually, no sooner than that. Freaked out by information they were giving me. Yeah. Pretty early on. And she even said, like, no, but

[Kate]

in the beginning, I think if we would have reached out to her and said, hey, we're getting these messages. They're kind of concerning. She probably could have reached out and. Yeah, then we would have found out the information then that even Brandon Trees were being catfished.

[Ty]

People were calling their people don't know.

[Kate]

No calling. That they were texting, texting them and telling them crazy things.

[Ty]

Yes.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Ty]

This person went in the whole family.

[Kate]

Everybody.

[Ty]

Everyone in the family.

[Kate]

You know, Brandon's siblings.

[Becky]

This is crazy.

[Ty]

Yeah, they were catfishing.

[Becky]

So maybe if we.

[Kate]

Maybe if we would have reached out sooner before it all, you know, then we probably would have.

[Becky]

But you guys were. From the standpoint that she was unhappy and she couldn't tell them.

[Ty]

I want to get her in trouble.

[Becky]

So you don't want to get in trouble yet. No.

[Kate]

Okay. Did.

[Becky]

Did you ever try to follow Carly on social media? Did either one of you guys ever try to follow Car.

[Ty]

My niece did.

[Becky]

Your niece did.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Ty]

And that was simply because I was

[Kate]

like, listen, she's your cousin. If you want.

[Ty]

If you want to follow her, you can.

[Kate]

Not a thing.

[Becky]

You can, like, go follow her, see what she's up to. But also you. You guys, in the messages, you are encouraged to do some things.

[Ty]

Thank you.

[Becky]

This person.

[Ty]

I'm glad you saw that. Crazy.

[Becky]

This person who was her friend was like, you should do this.

[Kate]

You should show up to the church.

[Becky]

You should show up to this. What are they going to do? They. As a church, like, show up to the church. You should write a letter. You should do this. And I'm like. And then for them to turn around and put it out when you're talking about doing it when they're the ones that told you to do it and saying they know her better than anybody.

[Ty]

Put my response of me saying, I don't want to. I don't want to freak her out by requesting.

[Kate]

Yeah. Like, wouldn't that be weird?

[Becky]

Yeah.

[Ty]

I don't know what. Because there's so many messages. But I did. I remember responding to them saying, oh, I don't know if I should do that.

[Kate]

That seems

[Ty]

to request Carly on it on social media. And I was like, I feel uncomfortable doing that. They didn't put that part. They didn't release that part. But I literally said.

[Becky]

And they made it from the standpoint that they're her friend. She's telling them what she wants.

[Kate]

Yeah. And that she wants it. She wants it and she wants contact. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. Well, it's all crazy.

[Ty]

It is all. I'm. I'm so glad that you were able to read all the messages. Yes. I feel like.

[Kate]

And honestly, you can talk about if you see some. Like you.

[Ty]

Oh, yeah. I told the same thing I said, you ever see something. Go ahead.

[Kate]

Absolutely. You know the truth too, now. So it's like.

[Becky]

Absolutely. Okay.

[Ty]

If anyone can say anything, it's. It's the people who've seen the acted messages. Right.

[Kate]

Right.

[Ty]

So.

[Kate]

So we're not.

[Becky]

One thing that when I do try to like, oh, well, you know, I've talked to King Time. They say this. Yeah, but they're liars. Anyways. I don't know. That's all I could tell you.

[Kate]

I'm like, Like, I know my worth. I know who I am as a person. I know I'm not like, all I

[Becky]

can tell you is what they said. If you think that they're liars, you don't. Okay, then there's nothing that I can say then.

[Ty]

That's why I'm not really sure because at this point I'm like, there's nothing I can do. You guys already had this in your head that I'm whatever. And it is what it is, so.

[Becky]

Right.

[Kate]

And karma always comes back tenfold.

[Becky]

So.

[Kate]

Yeah, whatever. But. All right, well, we should probably wrap this up.

[Ty]

We're wrapping up. Sorry, guys. We've been.

[Kate]

We might. We might need our own YouTube.

[Ty]

Like, you got all the messages or the, the, the questions.

[Kate]

Oh, well, we have to do a live anyways too.

[Becky]

I have so many more questions for you. Guys. But we'll do it. We'll do it on my. You know.

[Kate]

Yeah, that would be great.

[Becky]

Okay.

[Kate]

See, we brought ours. Now we need to go over. Yeah.

[Becky]

Yeah. I could ask you guys questions all day. I mean, I've been in Yalls lives for 16 years, so it's fine.

[Kate]

That's awesome. I love it. Well, Elle, thank you so much for coming all this way to join us and it's been a pleasure. I was super excited to have you on.

[Ty]

So excited.

[Kate]

And for people that don't know where to find you, where can people people find you?

[Becky]

I am on YouTube, Tik Tok, Instagram, X, Facebook. Not on only fans, but everywhere else. You can find me.

[Ty]

Lb.

[Becky]

Lb, E, L, L, E, B, E E. And it is pronounced L. Yes, yes.

[Ty]

Awesome.

[Becky]

That's where you can find me, guys.

[Ty]

Go follow lb.

[Becky]

Thank you guys for having me.

[Kate]

Oh, thank you for coming, seriously, so much. Make sure you guys rate and review. Leave a comment and we will be talking.

[Becky]

Talk to you guys next week.

[Kate]

Bye.

[Becky]

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