The Matriarch, 16&Pregnant Reflections and Anonymous Secrets

Summary

Cate & Ty Break It Down – Episode Summary

Episode: The Matriarch, 16&Pregnant Reflections and Anonymous Secrets
Date: May 20, 2026
Hosts: Catelynn and Tyler Baltierra

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and candid episode, Cate and Ty return to their roots with an intimate, guest-free conversation. The episode centers on the recent loss of Tyler’s grandmother, reflecting on her life, family legacy, and enduring presence in their lives. The pair also delve into how reality TV, particularly MTV’s “16 and Pregnant” and “Teen Mom,” impacted them and their peers, before closing with their fan-favorite “Anonymous Secrets” segment, reacting with their trademark blend of humor and honesty.

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1. Remembering Tyler’s Grandmother (01:13–28:00)

Key Discussion Points

• Family Matriarch: Tyler shares the story of his grandmother, a woman who raised eight kids almost singlehandedly while working blue-collar jobs and supporting a husband who was disabled and battled alcoholism.
  • “She was pregnant from the age of 19 to 29 or 30 years old. She was pregnant a decade straight.” – Tyler [02:00]
• Enduring Strength: The couple discusses her determination after suffering a major stroke and how she re-learned skills, remained headstrong, and dignified herself even in later years.
  • “These people tell me I can’t walk... she didn’t care, she put curls in her hair.” – Tyler [03:46–04:18]
• Generational Impact: Reflections from his mother illustrate the reliability and comfort she gave to her children and grandchildren.
• Marriage & Hardship: They candidly share that Tyler’s grandfather was abusive, critical, and cheated on her—making her focus on motherhood over being a wife.
  • “Once she became a mom, f*** the wife... she was just like, all about the kids.” – Tyler [06:05]
• Cycle of Trauma: Cate points out the parallels in family dynamics, theorizing about generational trauma and subconsciously repeating cycles.
  • "I wonder if it's because the way she grew up and growing up with two alcoholic parents, maybe it felt comfortable. Subconscious." – Catelynn [12:21]
• Celebration of Life: The family chose a celebration over a traditional funeral, honoring the grandmother’s wish to avoid suffering and expense. Tyler describes searching for the right memento to keep her memory alive.
  • “At this point, it’s more like a matriarchal shelf.” – Tyler [15:41]

Notable Quotes

• “I am so happy that she is not here suffering anymore.” – Tyler [01:37]
• “My grandma, like... my grandpa wasn’t the best husband or dad... He really did not treat her good.” – Tyler [05:34]
• “She always came off as a very determined. Stubborn...funnily, caring and all those things, but sweet.” – Catelynn [03:44]
• “Her life was a giant sacrifice.” – Tyler [27:19]

Memorable Moments

• Tyler discovers a cherished keepsake: a Native American mother and child figurine symbolizing the family matriarch [18:35].
• Discussion of vivid dreams Tyler had before and after his grandmother’s death, interpreted as spiritual visits reassuring him of her peace [22:04–25:57].

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2. Revisiting "16 and Pregnant"/Teen Mom: Legacy and Impact (30:24–44:28)

Key Discussion Points

• New Documentary Series: The hosts discuss the upcoming “Hollywood Demons” show, which will examine the darker side of reality TV, particularly with former “Teen Mom” cast members.
• Different Experiences: Cate and Ty openly acknowledge their own mostly positive experience (“It was good for us. It got us out of poverty.” – Tyler [32:32]), while admitting that for others, especially those with addiction or violent relationships, the show may have caused harm or further trauma.
• Production Ethics: The duo describe how MTV took a hands-off “documentary” approach, rarely intervening, sometimes frustrating families in distress.
  • “They’re here just to strictly document... They would not help [my mom].” – Catelynn [35:25]
• Exploitation Discourse: An honest debate emerges about whether the network exploited teens, with Cate emphasizing that families did willingly sign up, but both agreeing that, in hindsight, some situations—especially the documentation of abuse and poverty—were ethically fraught.
  • “Mtv did exploit kids going through hard things... you exploited very intense situations that dealt with children.” – Tyler [39:44]
• Family Backgrounds & Selection: Tyler notes that most of the original cast came from lower-income or troubled backgrounds, making the show more sensational for viewers.

Notable Quotes

• “I just think there’s ways that... people are all latching on to this Teen Mom franchise because it is 16 years later, almost 17...” – Tyler [35:00]
• “They knew who they were picking... they knew.” – Tyler [40:28]
• “As an adult, I wonder... what do these people feel like watching this back?” – Tyler [44:01]
• “For daughters, it’s like, ‘oh, this is what I accept as love.’ And for sons, it’s like, ‘oh, girls don’t care about this.’” – Catelynn [53:58]

Memorable Moments

• The duo laugh about awkward interactions with fellow cast member Farrah, reflecting on her unique energy: “It’s like getting dumber as you listen...” – Catelynn [38:54]
• Honest talk about growing up on camera and watching childhood traumas broadcast for the world.

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3. “Anonymous Secrets” Segment (47:44–56:51)

Key Discussion Points

• Cate and Ty react in real time to anonymously submitted listener confessions, bringing levity and wild honesty.
• Wildest Confessions:
  • Participant had sex with ex-husband’s brother and dad – “A daddy and two of his boys.” – Tyler [48:58]
  • Listener poked holes in a condom to become an aunt – “You are a demon. You are a demon.” – Tyler [50:44]
  • Listener’s partner cheated with sex workers; she stayed but can’t forgive – “You just told... it’s either forgive or forget.” – Catelynn [52:32]

Insightful Moments

• Catelynn and Tyler encourage women not to stay in relationships out of fear or “for the kids,” highlighting the impact of such choices on family dynamics and children's future relationships.
  • “What are you showing the children?... That you settle. That I don’t respect myself.” – Tyler [53:36]

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4. Notable Quotes by Timestamps

• “I want you to go so bad. You’re gonna have a great time. We’re all gonna be okay.” – Tyler, addressing his late grandmother [21:17]
• “You violated your sister or brother.” – Tyler, responding to the “poked holes” secret [51:02]
• “Get some knocks on your own belt... this guy’s an idiot, what am I even doing staying here?” – Tyler [54:39–54:48]

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5. Episode Structure & Flow

• 00:00–01:07 — Sponsors/ads
• 01:08–28:00 — Candid discussion about family, loss, and generational struggles
• 28:01–30:24 — Additional ads/sponsorship
• 30:24–44:28 — Reflections on MTV, reality TV, fame, and exploitation
• 44:29–47:35 — More sponsorships/tangents
• 47:36–56:51 — Anonymous Secrets: real-time reactions
• 56:52–End — Wrap-up, call to action, banter, and out

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6. Tone & Takeaway

The episode is warm, conversational, and brutally honest—mixing stories of hardship and hope, blunt (if dark) humor, and vulnerability. Cate and Ty’s rapport shines through, making the listener feel like part of an intimate chat rather than a polished production.

For those who haven’t listened:
This episode offers a powerful look at family legacies, the impact of public exposure on private lives, and the unfiltered realities behind TV fame. It closes with lighter (but no less real) reactions to jaw-dropping listener confessions.

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Transcript

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Lynn.

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Lynn. Hair. Hair. I hate it.

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Mean coon life. You know what? What? It's been a minute since it's just been us. Yeah, no, it has. We've had, like, guests on.

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And then you did a couple solos.

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Yep. And then we played some replay episodes. Well, because. Well, because unfortunately, your grandma died, too.

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My grandma died?

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Yeah.

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She's dead?

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Yeah.

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But I. God, no.

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Why you say it like that?

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The way he's like, she's dead. Yeah, she's dead. And I am so happy that she is not here suffering anymore.

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Well, yeah, so it's. You know what I mean, Tyler's grandma on his mom's side. Yeah. This woman.

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Let me tell you something. Out with my Grandma real quick. Eight kids. She was pregnant for from the age of 19 to 29 or 30 years old. She was pregnant?

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Yeah.

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A decade straight.

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Wow.

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From the age of 19. Married out of high school, had eight kids, raised them all practically herself. My grandpa collected disability. He's like, 34.

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He was an alcoholic, too, along with

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his legs or something. And then something happened.

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He probably made it up. No, he didn't have to work.

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No. But he had something. He was born. He had, like, leg braces on. He was a kid.

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Oh, okay.

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I didn't know this. My mom. What are you talking about? She's like, yeah, great. Grandpa had, like. I might sound like some forest gump.

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Right. So he must have had, like, leg pain and stuff as he got older.

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Yeah, it was something to do with his Spine or his legs didn't.

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Okay.

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Something didn't happen. Anyway, so. Yeah, he collected disability. And my grandma, man, she.

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She worked at the gum factory, right?

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Gum factory, pickle factory, something else. I can't.

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Did they always live in Romeo, Michigan?

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Yeah, for a while.

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Yeah.

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No, I think they did live in. They lived on Gratiot somewhere.

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Okay.

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Not exactly Romeo, but I know they were always stayed in that area because

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a lot of the times when your mom talks about stuff, it's usually in Romeo. Like her memories and stuff. But. Yeah. So in Grandma. What? Your grandma, she had a stroke. How old was she when she had her stroke? Do you remember how old she was?

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I was nine.

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Okay, so you were nine, and then.

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Yeah, she had the stroke. And that kind of changes everything.

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Well, that really messed her up, right? Her sight. They thought she was never gonna be able to walk again.

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But she did. She walked.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because what is the memory you have of you guys? What, you guys flew from Michigan.

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She's, you know, she's a half. Her face is, you know, messed up. They said that she can't walk, you know, probably not gonna be a walk again. Whatever. And then all of a sudden, we got like a. Someone said something like, oh, my gosh.

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Like, where's mom?

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Yeah, where's Grandma? Where's Mom? And she was trying to walk by the little pool at the apartment complex. She was literally out there just like, I'll be damn.

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Well. Because your grandma.

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These people tell me I can't walk

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because just the years that I've known your grandma, she always came off as a very, like, determined. Stubborn.

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Yes.

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Woman. Like, funny, caring and all those things, but sweet kindness. When she would come and visit us, she would always get up in the morning and she would automatically always go and get ready. Like, always. Go get her hair, Grandma. Yeah, no, she didn't care. She would go. She would scoot. Her little scoot, scoot, scooting. And she'd be like, doing her hair, doing her makeup, and then she would drink her decaf coffee. And she always did that. Yes, always.

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That I can remember being like. Like, it just was so normal. But then she got older. I'm like, grandma, we're not going anywhere today. Like, you know, I mean, she didn't care. She didn't care. She put curls in her hair.

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And your mom said something to me today when we were talking on the phone, and she always. She said, like. She was talking about how some of her grandkids haven't had the best lives or whatever. And they had messed up lives and stuff. And I said, yeah, Mom. I said, but your life was really messed up too, you know? And she said, yeah. But one thing she said, my whole life, I always knew, no matter what it was, I could always count on my mom. My mom would always be there. She would always show up. And I. And I was talking to her. I'm like, you're right. Yeah. I didn't think of it that way.

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Yeah. You know, I feel she had that

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one person that she could almost the

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one person I knew everyone. You know what I mean?

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But, yeah, and the way that. So obviously we didn't fly to California for Ty's grandma while she was passing, but she had all of her kids. It was your mom's. Just like the pictures they had taken and the stories. She had all, you know, seven of her children with her because unfortunately one passed. But I do believe he was there, probably calling her home.

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They all surround her. And I'm telling you, that's what all she wanted, I think.

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So my.

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My grandma, like, my grandpa wasn't the best husband or dad. The best dad. He was, you know, very selfish and he was very critical, judgmental, you know, just whatever. And so, I mean, he really did not treat her good.

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No.

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At all.

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And so he cheated on her, he abused.

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Oh, yeah. And all that kind of stuff. So my grandma and she met. She married him in 19 out of high school. So she, like, once she became a mom, fuck the wife that. She was just like, all about the kids. It was like, that's what she was

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in your poor grandma to. Just a little backstory of her is she was an only child, but weren't both of her parents alcoholics? And she was always in the bar with them.

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Yes.

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And then so she gets older, marries at 19 right out of high school, marries an alcoholic.

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Read her. So we had the memorial, the. Well, celebration lightly. She had all her yearbooks out.

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Yeah.

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She was queen consort of the court, whatever the hell it was back then. It was like, queen court. And I looked at. I say, was grandma cool? Like, was she like. I was like, yo. I was like, was grandma like a popular.

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She must have been.

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She was. She was like, had the high neck. Like, she was a president of all these things.

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Oh, wow.

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A school board. All this, like, pretty much. I'm like, so grandma was like the whitest chick ever, like, as far as white and popular. White and white, Whitest president, club CEO, whatever the hell was.

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Yeah. And then she married your.

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And then she.

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And then I slick back Leather jacket

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in her yearbook, all handwritten, like cursive, like you know, signatures. And there was this guy, Don, and he wrote this lengthy, like poetic, like it was insane. It was like nothing will like something ray of sunshine will never be as bright. I was like, who's Don't. Oh, like who's that? And then my mom. Then someone came up. I was like, oh my God. Don was the guy that was like really wanting grandma. And he even said in the thing, he said, I can't. He said something like, your kindness is outmatched. Your class, your class is outmatched. And then at the very end, I said, hope you and Lou do good. Like, hope you guys have a good marriage. Cuz she was. And then you know how they had like the most mvp, most valuable player, most funny, most comedic.

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Yes.

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They had my grandma. And it said altar bound.

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What does that mean?

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At the wedding altar, I was like. Because at first I was like. I was like, why? Back then, yeah, I was the altar bound. And yeah, she just. From the get go, she said, I want a family and kids. But that's what. But for some reason she had this Don guy and she picked my. My grandpa. He had the cigarettes rolled in his white T shirt. He was typical comb in the back.

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Yeah.

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Just a slick back. Yes. Like that greaser kind of dude. And she just. Yeah, she just.

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And that's the sad part is that she was such a saint. And I mean, your grandpa was loved. Obviously he had good qualities. But just the way he got older,

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he got, you know.

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Yeah.

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A little better.

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And I think when your grandma had her stroke too, he was freaking out.

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He did freak out, you know, my life. Oh my God.

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Wasn't she mean to him at first? Didn't she say something really mean to him?

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No, she wasn't like mean, but she was just like, oh, should payback's a.

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Yeah, that's what I mean.

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That's because he had a feeder and. And so good for grandma. Oh, and my. And my grandpa was one of those people where it was like he would throw the dinner plate and the cookie if it wasn't made right t break, shatter against the wall. And then she would clean it up. So was that kind of like that? Yeah. So when she was in abusive feeder and I think for my first time, my grandpa got emotional, was like, oh my God. Like I think he, like once he had to do everything that she could do. Cleaning, just all of it.

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Yeah, she couldn't.

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And then he really realized like, holy. Like I. Holy crap.

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Then you throw eight kids in the mix, imagine everything.

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The last probably like 15 years of my grandpa's life, he was like, all about her. He's like, oh, my God. Like, you know, whatever. You're amazing. But it took all that. You know what I mean?

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Right?

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Yeah. So I don't know, but.

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But just the way that she went out of this world, I'm like, wow, that is literally one of. I want to go out that way.

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She does. That's all she wanted.

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And your mom said she's like, we had her favorite music playing on constantly, and she was in the reclining chair and all of her kids just surrounded her. And when she was passing, your mom said that your uncle Cool Cat held her hand.

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Yeah, my uncle Cool Cat, which.

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That's special, right?

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The oldest and I. And I thought, this is so crazy because there was pictures of her and it was like her. Her first moment holding Andrea, my old grandbaby. And then I thought about Andre. Andre, you're 40 something years old. You spent four. Half of your. Dude.

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Yeah.

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Like your whole life has been with this woman. And now she's. That's crazy. You know, but so it was like pictures of her holding Andrea. So it was her first moment of being a grandma. Then pictures of her holding medical. Cool Cat being like her first time being a mom.

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Right.

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So you see like, just like, wow. When you see a life just like lined out.

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But how crazy is it that, you know, she brought your Uncle Cool K into the world?

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He the firstborn mom.

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Yeah, your firstborn. And then he holds your hand while you leave. Like, how intense is that?

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Like, it was the best thing I could have ever done. Oh, yeah.

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I wonder if in her. Her soul. Spirit. Soul vibing around right now. Was she happy to see your grandpa? I wonder.

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I think so.

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Because do you think over there, they pro. Maybe they don't, I don't know, hold on to the old that happened in life or I don't. Who knows? Because nobody will ever know. Right.

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I don't know. But I have a feeling that when we leave, the soul elevates to a certain level. Maybe not the highest level.

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I bet you. I bet you hand learn some things over there.

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I think, like, something happens like, where you're like, oh, you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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And I kind of feel like there might be a certain point in time where you're like, you know what? I probably could learn some more. Let's go back in there. I don't know.

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Or like, come back or something, like,

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in a way because it's like. But I do think the soul passes, then goes holy and they just learn everything. Everything that they wish they would have did. You know what they took for granted.

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Yeah.

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You know what I mean?

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What they could have done different.

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I think she was. Because I think my grandma, she filed divorce, I think more than a couple times. And she never could sign those effing papers. I wonder if my grandpa would say something.

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Yeah. Or do something.

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Something would happen. And I think my grandma was more or less like. I think even my grandma to this day would say she settled.

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She definitely did.

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You know what I mean? Because once she had the first couple kids and back then you couldn't even get a bank account.

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Right.

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Without having a husband. You know what I mean? So just a different time. But I think if my grandma would have. Be a young mother today.

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Yeah.

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I don't. I think she would have. I. I definitely don't. Don't think she would have stayed.

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And who knows if she would have even ended up with eight kids, you know?

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Right, exactly.

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She would have left before that.

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But it's almost like she knew like right out like really quickly, like, I want to be a mom, period.

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What made her pick your grandpa? I wonder if it funny.

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Everyone loved him. He was. He had charisma.

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Right. But your grandma. Your grandma. But it's so funny. It's. But it's funny because your grandma was so straight edged, like she never drank, she never smoked, she never did any drugs.

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So why.

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Because I wonder if you repeat the cycle. Yeah. I wonder if it's because the way she grew up and growing up with two alcoholic parents, maybe it felt comfortable. Subconscious. This is cool, right?

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Don, He.

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He was like a. Oh, imagine.

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I don't know. Don was like a. He looked very much like a preppy dude.

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Oh, did you see his picture?

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Yeah. I was like, who I got. I was like, yo, who the hell is Don?

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Yeah, like this guy Roll a good looking dude.

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Yeah, yeah. You could tell he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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A.

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But she bit my grandpa and here I am, so.

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But you went to the celebration of life and all that was good, right?

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Yeah, it was great.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. They made her sauce and all that stuff. And my family doesn't do funerals, so.

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I. I mean, I like it. Yeah, it's more of a celebration. Everybody gets together, we talk about memories.

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You know what's funny is both my grandma, all of them kind of have the same idea. Like, I don't want you to spend all that money just to look at my dead, cold body.

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Right. She wanted to be cremated.

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Yeah. So like we've always just done like, I just want you to party, you know. And it's kind of cool because during the party, like there would be random little circles of people just cry and

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have memories over here talking about, yeah,

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people are going through a room and Grabbing whatever they wanted, you know what I mean? Like memorabilia stuff, whatever.

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Well, yeah, and I told Ty when he was. Well, before he left. We have this shelf in our living room and we kind of call it the family shelf.

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And I think at this point it's more like a matriarchal shelf. There's a lot of great grandma's. Grandma's stuff on there.

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Yeah, we have. My great grandma passed and she was very artistic and carved wood, burned wood, all those sort of things. So when she passed and I remember being younger and going to her house and she had a cabinet full of these little tiny figurines, like forest creatures. Be like bunnies and squirrels and just carved, like little mini. Like not even an inch big, you know. And I used to just love them. I don't know.

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Remember we asked her grandma, she didn't know either.

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So when she. So when she passed, I found I was like, this is meant to be mine. Y cuz I have memories of playing with all her little woodland creatures that she made with her hands. And it's like she has something carved in like this piece of wood. And so that sits on our shelf and it's got woodland animals on it.

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It's actually. What do they call it? On a tree?

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Yeah. What is it? I think so, like what do they call it?

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I don't know what they call it, but yeah, off. And it bulges out and then you get.

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Yeah, so we have that on there. We have my grandma and grandpa's wedding picture. My dad. A picture of my dad when he was really young. Yep. I want a picture. And I've told Ty, and I've told Kim this too. Ty's mom. I'm like, I want a picture of you really young. I asked my mom, I'm like, mom, where's your glamour shots? Shoot. Yeah, yeah.

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We were just looking at.

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I know. And I remember I said. I said, you did well, you should have brought that to your home of her.

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God. I know.

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My mom has like those 80s glamour shots, you know, and I used to love that picture when I was a little girl because she looks so beautiful to me. And so I asked my mom that too. So it's just like. And we have our kids on there and just like special things. And so I told Ty, I was like, when you go, you know, find something that is special or feels special to bring home so we can put it on the shelf.

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Nervous? I'm walking around, nothing's. Nothing's talking to me.

[B]

I'm glad you didn't bring Home a teepee light.

[A]

I know everyone's like. And she did love those stupid teepee lamps. Yeah, teepee.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

A bulb in it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like a little whatever Native American teepee thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I didn't really want. I mean I did. I'll take it.

[B]

You know.

[A]

All right, fine. I'll take it.

[B]

Because side note, she would like love Native American everything. Yeah.

[A]

The decorations, the culture turquoise, all the blankets in the whole thing. She had some. Let me tell you right now she's. I mean this gaudy ass giant huge. A dream catcher with this giant like porcelain native in the middle of the dreamcatcher. It was stare at you as a kid. It was just too creepy.

[B]

But so Ty's like, sure, I'll. I guess I'll take the light up tv.

[A]

She love the TP lamps. All right, fine, I'll take the. I'll take this lamp. But I was getting kind of sad cuz nothing was like, you know, it was. I was. I know when I see it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm going on herself and I'm really going through her room for the last time. Cuz I'm like, I want to see. I was actually looking to see like. Like a shirt even hoodie that she used to wear that can make into anything. But anyway, I'm looking through, I'm like, whatever. And then I go down, I look down the other the shelf and she had like these picture frames that were kind of. And if you move the picture frames, there was stuff behind it. Oh. And no. And it was kind of sunken in.

[B]

So you kind of hit very last shelf.

[A]

And so I got down there. I was like, what is that? And I was like. Because it came out and it was a freaking Native American mother with a little Native American baby on her. And they're both holding real feathers.

[B]

Oh wow.

[A]

So it's like, you know, a sculpture, whatever. And then it's got real feathers. And I'm like this.

[B]

That's like perfect.

[A]

It looks like it looked like a woman, a matriarchal woman, a mother or whatever showing this baby the like feathers. Like this is what feathers are. And it was like, this is it. Yeah.

[B]

I haven't even seen it yet, so I'll get to see it tomorrow. No, that's what your mom said I had.

[A]

I'm like, oh my God, this is. I'm so happy because that's stupid TP lamb. And I walked out and even I forget one of my cousins was like, what? Where'd you get that at? I was like, it's mine.

[B]

Yeah, it's mine, right? Yeah.

[A]

You didn't look hard enough. It's mine. Yeah. So I got that. But yeah.

[B]

I wonder what happened. Did you. I'm trying to think. Did she have like wedding rings and stuff? Cuz I don't ever really remember her wearing a. Wearing. Well, yeah, like fake. Yeah. I don't blame her. I like fake jewelry too. Oh gosh. All her earrings. Yes.

[A]

Green blit.

[B]

Very matchy match shoes. Yes. Very muchy machi.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

She was the same.

[A]

That's why I said. I always said dog. I reminded me of like.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah. I could see that. Oh very. Yes. Yeah. She would not ever leave the house. Yeah. Not being ready. Yeah. I could see that.

[A]

Everything was. And it was like orange, orange, orange, orange. You know, one day it was green. Green, everything. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I think so for people. Because in the beginning you were like, I'm so happy that she died.

[A]

Oh God.

[B]

There's a reason why.

[A]

She was just had leukemia. So. And the throat was coming and she.

[B]

But also before she passed, Ty's mom went out there like a month or two before she passed and she was in the house. She got sent to the hospital like two or three times while Ty's mom was there.

[A]

She kept getting infections.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Taking over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I couldn't fight stuff.

[B]

And she kept saying to Kim, I just want to go. I'm done. I want to go. I'm ready to go.

[A]

It was painful. She's in pain.

[B]

Yeah. And then she what her leukemia starts. She started getting masked like in her neck and stuff.

[A]

And now we found out that why she was having so many little random infections where she go to the hospital.

[B]

Her immune System was just UTIs, all

[A]

that going over trying to fight leukemia. So every little other infection just took. You know, put her in the hospital and. Yes. And I knew that she. I knew she wanted to go. I knew she wanted to go.

[B]

Yeah, I did too.

[A]

I mean I walked around for probably two days straight. Pause. My grandma, if you're.

[B]

Yeah. Like spiritually talk to her.

[A]

Tapping in and tap.

[B]

Oh, she definitely was floating in and floating out. I believe so.

[A]

I do. So that whole like couple days I just kept walking my house and randomly pausing and really being intentional. Like grandma, if you're, if you're. If you're. If you're connected to my antennas.

[B]

Right. It's okay to go. Yeah.

[A]

I want you to go so bad. You're gonna have a great time. We're all gonna be okay. Well, everyone's gonna be Great. And then I think it was interesting, though, because I could. My mom couldn't get my. One of my uncles there, and she was. And I think she held that last boy.

[B]

I think. I think the souls too.

[A]

I have six of my kids when seven of them are alive. Get them all here. Yeah. So. And listen, all my uncles are very free spirit.

[B]

Oh, gosh. But then what's really weird and trippy places? Oh, it's hard.

[A]

Hard. Yeah, because they're like, I'm on a boat. I live in a boat this year. I live in a van.

[B]

I live in a garage.

[A]

I live in a garage this year. Where are you? Where's Brad?

[B]

Right. Don't have cell phones.

[A]

They all have different numbers.

[B]

8 or don't have phones.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But what's really trippy is what, like two days before she passed, you had a dream about her date the day before. Was it two days before she did pass?

[A]

Before she passed?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

One. The day after.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So what was the dream the day before she passed?

[A]

We were in a freaking.

[B]

Because I know you woke up freaking out. You were telling me about it.

[A]

It was just one of those dreams, you know, where it's just like, so stupid real that it's.

[B]

No.

[A]

Almost you wake up and you're like, did that happen?

[B]

This is maybe a dream, right?

[A]

You know, I mean, whoa. Like, what the am I doing here, huh? It was so real. Anyway, she. But she just popped out, and I was like, look around the house. I was older. I was my age. Like, grandma.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of in the. Even in the dream, expecting to see an old lady, but she hopped out and she was younger. Like, I have. I got a picture. I was like, mom, I want to find a picture that. Where. I like, swear this is her age. I saw. And I saw one. And she had her glasses, her hair was done, and she's like tie dye. And she was like, tan. Like, so she was.

[B]

She was young and healthy.

[A]

Yeah, it was like. She wasn't like, super young, but she was probably, like, in her. I'm gonna say her. Probably her early 60s, late 50s.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. So still young.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah. And she just hugged me, and I was like, oh, my God, what are you doing? Like, what the wrong with you? How is this happening? You know what I mean?

[B]

No, Ty woke up.

[A]

She literally was like, it's crazy, right?

[B]

Oh, weird. Yeah.

[A]

And it was just so real. And I was like. And then, you know how dreams, you get so into them, they're like, oh, you're not dead. You're not going to die. This is you. And then. Yeah, that was the day before and the day after she passed. I had a dream that I was at my Aunt Dawn's house, and she was old, but she wasn't in a wheelchair.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She. Yeah, like, she was. Yeah. And she was running around in circles, and I was like, grand.

[B]

She's trying to tell you something spiritually.

[A]

She's looking back at me and me. And my mom's like. I was like, get her, Ty. Get her. And we're in my. I am Mom. And in the dream, I'm like, am

[B]

I trying to catch Grandma?

[A]

Grandma's going, she's it. She lost her marbles. It's done. She is senile.

[B]

She's going crazy.

[A]

She's senile.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, she. She's a wacky old lady.

[B]

Was she laughing at you guys while you were chasing her?

[A]

So that's why I thought it was even crazier.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

I'm like, oh, my God. Grandma's going crazy. My mom. I can tell my mom started getting panicky. She's like, dude, you need to get her. I'm like, oh, my God, Mom.

[B]

You get pictures of your mom?

[A]

So I'm like, running after. And she's fast, little grandma. And she's laughing at me.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I just didn't want to go to the house and run down the street and hit my car because she lost her marbles. So, yeah, she got. And then she eventually sat down. And I was like, grandma. And my mom's like, mom, you can't do that. And she was like, I'm fine.

[B]

But you know. You know what I think? Well, and I told you when you woke. When you woke up, and you told me about your. Your first dream before she passed, I think she was connecting into you because you were taking the time out of your day to really make sure that you were connecting into her. I think so. I. I believe that spirits do those things and that they come to you in dreams. You should. But no, it's a real thing. Like, they will show you themselves, younger or freely moving or, you know, as a younger age or whatever, to show you that they are no longer in pain, they're not suffering, that they're okay.

[A]

And I wonder if, like, that's why

[B]

in your second dream, she was older, but she was running around the house to show you, like, I'm fine. I'm happy. Yes.

[A]

Getting so mad. That's why I was actually getting more mad, because my mom was freaking out. I'm like, mom, chill out. I'm gonna get your senile mom.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Just chill out.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah. You were in that dream, too.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

You were separated. You weren't there. Really there.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

It was weird because you said something on the phone. On the phone, and you were like. What did you say? I can't remember. My God. You said something where she was like, look at her. I'm already dead.

[B]

Oh, weird.

[A]

Yeah. Because you said. You said something like she was so loved or she was so amazing or

[B]

something on the phone. Wow.

[A]

And you're on. My grandma looked at you from across the couch and she's like. She's talking. I'm already dead.

[B]

Oh, weird.

[A]

Because my grandma wasn't very sarcastic.

[B]

No.

[A]

Witty.

[B]

As she got older, she was. As she got older, she was.

[A]

Yeah. This was weird. So I was like her, and I was just. Her energy was different. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yes. Showing you that she's free and that she's no longer in pain and she's.

[A]

But I wonder for all my cousins. I'm like, I wonder if they would have had the same dream. Would she look the same or do they meet you.

[B]

They might meet you differently, I think,

[A]

like, the soul knows I'm gonna. I need to appear like this.

[B]

Huh? Right?

[A]

I need to tap in.

[B]

And this is what they probably do.

[A]

Sense to them.

[B]

They probably do. But how awesome, too. At her celebration, she had all her grandkids there, her great grandkids, everything. Oh, gosh, that's so cool, though.

[A]

Look back.

[B]

I was like, wow, that is super cool.

[A]

Like, it was wild.

[B]

And then when someone passes, it's like, what do we do with all this stuff now?

[A]

You know, I think what we did, like, you get. Because my Aunt Judy said, whatever people don't take, I'm getting rid of. There's no. I know my grandma. I know my mom. She wouldn't want all this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, randomness.

[B]

So I just. Yeah. I'm just glad that she's not suffering anymore and that she's free and.

[A]

But I thought about that. Like, I took the time to be really intentional.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if she was floating in and out, and then she knew. Oh, oh, Ty's. Ty ties. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I hear the frequency.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like a fuzzy. Like static.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's it. She's gonna die over there in that little frequency and tap in there. But yeah. No, no. It's pretty crazy. But that's why. I mean, I have not cried about her at all.

[B]

Well.

[A]

Because I Ever will.

[B]

Well, and I think it's because we knew that she really wanted to go, you know, she didn't want to suffer anymore. Yeah, she had a very long, hard life.

[A]

Yeah, her life was a giant sacrifice.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

She didn't. She never got to leave the country.

[B]

Right.

[A]

She never went on a cruise. She never, like, she saw the 50 states because she got a motorhome and

[B]

yeah, retired, but it's about as close as a vacation.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, she never, like. I don't know. Yeah, that's why I had my mom ask her questions before she passed.

[B]

Yeah, I'm. I'm glad that she is gone too. Just for her own self. I mean. Yeah, it sucks for other people and people. We miss her and everything, you know, but she wanted.

[A]

But yeah, the life has been crazy.

[B]

Yeah, it did. Sick kids and then it's just been not property.

[A]

And then all this stuff happened in the same month. Random memorial filming sort of thing. Renovating this place to get ready. It's like, dude, this is just.

[B]

Yeah, it's been. It's been nuts. It's been a nuts like two months. I feel like, you know, you're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind. Here's a helpful fact you might not know yet. Drivers who switch and save with Progressive save over $900 on average. They make it super simple. Pop over to progressive.com, answer some questions and you'll get a quick quote with coverage options tailored to your choices. Plus you'll see which discounts you may qualify for, like the online quote discount or savings for paying in full. In fact, 99% of Progressive Auto customers earn at least one discount. See if you could save when you switch to Progressive. You'll feel good about making a savvy choice. Visit progressive.com and see if you can enjoy a little extra cash back. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates national average 12 month savings of $946 by new customers surveyed who saved with Progressive between June 2024 and May 2025. Potential savings will vary. Okay, if you've ever traveled with kids, then you already know the second you land somewhere. Everybody needs the Internet immediately. I'm trying to pull up directions. The kids want to stream something and I'm over here praying that we don't get hit with some insane roaming bill later. That's honestly why I've been loving Staley lately. It's an EIM app from the creators of NordVPN and it makes staying connected while Traveling so much easier. Before your trip, you just download the Stalee app right on your phone, choose the data plan that works best for where you're going and they have plans in over 200 destinations. And then install the ESIM one time. That's it. What I love is that when you land, your connection is already ready to go. No waiting in line at the airport for a SIM card, no sketchy kiosks, no hunting for WI fi while your family is literally losing it. It seriously takes one more stress off your plate while you're traveling. And if you're going to multiple countries, they even have regional and global plans, which is super convenient. Get an exclusive 15% discount on saily ESIM data plans. Download Saly app and use code Kate Ty at checkout. Again, download the Saly app and use code Kate Ty. That's C A T E T y for 15 off your data plan. Speaking of things being filmed, I mean, we can't talk a lot about ours confidentiality. But there is a show airing this Thursday.

[A]

Oh, this Thursday.

[B]

And I know that it's got some girls on it from 16 and P. I've seen. I don't know how many like Teen mom or Teen Mom 2 cast is gonna be on it. I know Farrah's on it for sure. I've seen her. Her. Some people shared her posts and stuff.

[A]

Anything.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

If they come at her with any kind of like, hey, yeah, but I noticed.

[B]

I know that it's from like a. They've done different shows about different.

[A]

The Hollywood demons.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so that's always like a documentary. It's a freaking show about. Each episode is a different examination of certain things Hollywood.

[B]

Yeah. They didn't like what Jerry Springer.

[A]

Yeah. So now they're doing. Yeah. So.

[B]

So how do you think. How. What. What do you think it's gonna make our show and shows look like? I feel like it's hard because for us, I feel like were there certain, you know, was there certain. Would you pay attention, paying attention to him?

[A]

I can't. Okay, lay down. There you go.

[B]

Because with our. I feel like for me and you and our journey on our show of 16p and then team mom and you know, tmology and all of it. I feel like we've never had weird things or bad things happen. I mean, were there times going through the show where we felt maybe disrespected or not valued or. Oh, yeah, you know, certain things like that. Yes. But then you brought up a point one time and you said, well, everybody's Stuff is different. Like you look at, you know, Amber Portwood, for instance, and her wouldn't. They documented just the physical abuse, the drug addiction and stuff. So, like, yeah. Maybe has the show not been beneficial for her and maybe has. Who knows, given her. Like, because you said that and I'm like, that kind of makes sense. Like people. Every people story is different and they're all going through their own different things. So.

[A]

And I think, like, our experience, we say, oh, it was great for our family. It was great for us. It was. It was whatever. Whatever. Yeah. It came with some downfall on the general scale.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On the. On the. You know what I mean? Teen mom was good for us. It was a good thing for our family. It got us out of poverty. Yeah. All these things. Right. But I think for a lot of other cast members who had different situations, environments, lifestyles, whatever. Family. It's not. It's not. That's not the case.

[B]

Right.

[A]

They didn't have our producers. They didn't have. You know what I mean? So I think. And plus just their story, the way it was, the way it unfolded, the publicity with it all, with it being documented, I bet you they would come in here and say the complete opposite, Noah, my life up. It ruined me.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

They'd have a totally different.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah. Which is fair.

[B]

And I think.

[A]

I think those people deserve to tell their story too.

[B]

No, I totally agree.

[A]

I think Amber, if she feels like MTV did it wrong, you need. Yeah, you. I think Pharaoh did get kind of messed up. She used the name.

[B]

She was a.

[A]

No, I know. And she used.

[B]

She was the most disrespectful cast. First of all, if people don't know, she would force the crew and the producers. She would, like, have a porta Potty that sat outside her garage. I'm just saying, for people that don't know, she would have a porta Potty outside and the crew was not allowed to use her toilet. They had to go outside and use the porta Potty. And she was just cruel and mean to people.

[A]

Yeah. And I. But I think as far as her exit goes, it was more about how she used that name. She just shouldn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Named that tape any other dude.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Anyway, I think people get the idea that it was because of the act of what happened. And it was more or less like, what you tied to that.

[B]

To it.

[A]

He can't use that name.

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

So. But I do think that it. I don't think it was right because especially during that time, I Think times have changed.

[B]

Yeah. I'm saying. Yeah.

[A]

I think people are allowed to grow and change and adapt to new information,

[B]

new data, change their opinion, whatever. Yeah, you're growing older.

[A]

You're older. Right.

[B]

Learning new things.

[A]

So I think what I think about sex work now versus what I thought about it then is way different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? So I do think that. And I think she deserves a platform to tell her story. Yeah. Whatever that is. You know, I mean.

[B]

Right. I will be interested to see too, like, some of the girls that they have on. I've only seen like two or three that have said. Have said that they're doing the Hollywood. Even ones. Girls that I don't even remember or recall because I never watched it ever. I didn't even watch my own show. I would be interested to see what their experiences were. Like, how did. How did they feel? Did they feel like some shitty ways or what? Like, I. It would be interesting. It's gonna be interesting to watch pretty good.

[A]

So I feel like I want to know, but it wasn't good for everybody. So I think. Yeah, I just think there's ways that I think people are all just latching on to this team on franchise because it is 16 years later, almost 17, because remember what we said so long ago, we're like, listen, this is one of those shows where it's not going to be. It's not going to get the recognition it deserves until probably years later.

[B]

Or. Yeah.

[A]

Or the impact they can examine it from a cultural or the shocking things

[B]

that were filmed and shown. And because somebody commented on One of My Lives one time and they said, yeah, but you know, what about mtv didn't step in and help you guys with like getting a lawyer and stuff when you were going through the adoption and all that? And I said, what you guys don't understand is our show is very. It's a docu series. It's like a documentary. So they don't step in when you're having life problems because they're here just to strictly document. I'll never forget the one time my mom got a flat tire or ran out of gas or something like that. And she was there with like some. Some bigger, like, producer and the crew and stuff. And they would not help her. They were like, well, what would you do if we weren't here in this situation? Oh, she got pissed. Oh, God. Yeah. And then there's me. I'm so sorry, you know, But I did tell people, I said. But also I said, there's stuff behind the scenes that you guys didn't see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, where they, you know, saved me from certain experiences of my life or got me out of a certain situation. That was good. Yeah. A way that they could legally do it.

[A]

Yeah. They couldn't do so. And also on the gas, bro, if we're filming, we got gas.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I remember when we were younger, this is our coolest thing. I said, hey, can we go anywhere? I'll go somewhere. I remember, like making plans like, hey, I gotta go to my mom's real quick.

[B]

Oh, can we come with you? Yeah.

[A]

So there was things that like, I, you know, I, I, yeah, I, I was okay. I'm okay with it.

[B]

Yeah. And we, so we just had a different experience and that's fine. I feel like everybody. But like I said, were there times where I didn't feel valued or I felt not appreciated or. Yeah. Heard. Oh, absolutely. Always. And I always will and always have. And I think that's the hard thing too about being in the TV world is it's just so not normal for me to not value people or what they do for me or how I treat people or whatever.

[A]

So when you get treated that way, it's like, whoa.

[B]

Yeah. And it's not. And it's not even the main producers or even the next level, high up producer that you deal with, it's the people that are above them that make you feel not valued and stuff. Those people that you're talking to are just the messenger men.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've never in a day in my life met the higher of the hires. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like never, like come down there with the commoner.

[B]

Never.

[A]

You know what I mean? You sick peasants.

[B]

Right. We, she gave us all of her mental health issues, miscarriage, all that, but she wants certain things, but spit on her.

[A]

Yeah. And that's, that's so, I mean, like, I think.

[B]

But we have had a good experience, like you said. Yeah.

[A]

The overall scale, I think, was good, but not everyone had that experience. So I do believe that they deserve the space to do it. I think maybe this whole.

[B]

I think they might twist it a little bit more.

[A]

I think there's, there's intentions to tell the truth and there's intentions to drag some out, like.

[B]

Or twist it. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Expose kind of.

[B]

Or twist it, you know, in a way to make it, you know, get ratings.

[A]

Yeah, whatever.

[B]

But I wish we could talk more about what we're filming.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Yeah, I know. And I'm excited for everybody to see it too. I hope it Turns out good. I really do. But, yeah, I'm just wondering. I'm like. I'm interested to watch it.

[A]

Me, too. Oh, yeah. Listen, I'm gonna watch it because I'm like.

[B]

Except for Ferris Part, where she just, like. She's a word salad. You're gonna be like, huh.

[A]

I don't know, man. I swear.

[B]

That's like. Remember when. When she was freaking?

[A]

Like, I remember being younger, being like. Like, trying to be nice. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Because she doesn't ever make sense.

[A]

She was so hard to connect with that being, like, backstage or even, like, listening to her backstage, like, you know, as she's talking to Dr. Drew.

[B]

Nothing ever gets answered.

[A]

I remember just being. Starting out, like, ooh, ooh.

[B]

Getting dumber as you listen. I'm sorry. Yes.

[A]

And then by the end of it, I'm like, what the. Did I just. I don't even.

[B]

You don't even know what I heard.

[A]

Like, literally, like, I'm removed from space and time. At the end of it, she's like. So that's why I feel. I'm like, what?

[B]

What? How do you feel? How do you feel?

[A]

Wow. I don't even know.

[B]

So, yeah, I'm interested to see you all signed up for the Hollywood Demons one. I mean, it'd be interesting.

[A]

I mean, why wouldn't you? Especially, like I said, if you have had that experience.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I just hope no one sign up for the experience thinking that they had a great experience, then they're gonna.

[B]

Right. Twist it. Yeah.

[A]

Hopefully they're honest and say, listen, we're Hollywood demons. We're gonna show the demons of Hollywood. And this is. You know, I hope they got the message across that it's like, the hell of Holly.

[B]

So stupid.

[A]

All they did is exploit. Yeah. Listen, I think you have to be honest, though, as an adult. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes. Mtv.

[B]

I could see where it could come off. I feel like. See where it could come off that way.

[A]

MTV did exploit.

[B]

Kids go through hard things.

[A]

And you can sit there and say that that's wrong. Right. Whatever. But. But it is what it is. I think even people who had good intentions and still do can admit. Yes, you exploited very intense situations that dealt with children.

[B]

But then the other side of me, too, is like, well, you know, those. They were willing to sign those paperwork to be exploited.

[A]

Those children.

[B]

Yeah. And those. And those people. Children also. They wanted to do it as well.

[A]

No, of course the kids did.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

And that's why I'm not gonna say I'M like, they took advantage of me, you know what I mean? No, I, I, I, I get what the job was. The job was to document and show

[B]

life and be real.

[A]

I think live life. Really got lucky with the cast they chose to follow because they knew that like, I think I'm trying to think. Macy, Farah, Chelsea, those are the only people that came from money that I can really remember. Think about it. Like everyone else, they, they knew who they were picking, you know what I'm saying? They knew.

[B]

They, or at least they were comfortable, you know, comfortable or, you know, had some money.

[A]

They what? They were rich.

[B]

To us, I guess.

[A]

Chelsea and Farah, I'm just saying.

[B]

To us. Yeah, I guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, Macy was two teen parents. Her dad was an auto, you know, worked on cars. She's their house, big house.

[A]

I mean, they're all in sports, driving. All right, but, yeah, right. But like, besides that though, every other cast member was from, you know, poverty, addiction issues, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah. So I think, which, that's what typically teen pregnancy follows anyways.

[A]

You know, I think MTV got lucky as far as from their business stand. Oh man, we got these freaking poor drug addict. We're gonna show that life, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I mean it's shocking. And when you watch stuff now, baby, it's, it's intense.

[B]

Oh, I know.

[A]

Like watching someone that my dad said and so your mom said in the

[B]

way that was like, yeah. Or other people's scenes. Yeah, it's like, holy.

[A]

I'm like, dang. It's heavy. As this one scene where I'm sitting in the hood of the car. My dad's like, we're all trying to get a woman. You know, we're met, we're natural born predators. And I'm like, he said that.

[B]

That is disgusting.

[A]

And it's funny because like, I forgot. Like he said he has all these weird sayings. So I, I remember that as a clear day, as a kick because I remember being younger and I was 14 and he got out of prison orever and he's like, so at 14 now, I was like, you know, got any girlfriends? You know, I know we're, you know, gotta that instinct in us. We're natural born predators. Never being a man. I was 14, I was like, I, I don't know, dad. Like, I, I was like, you're like,

[B]

that don't fit with me.

[A]

I have a really sweet girlfriend. I love her so much. And I'm not praying at her, you know, Saying like, I remember being younger, but then I remember being like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm praying on them, you know, predator, whatever. I remember being a kid being like, what the. Like, who the says that says that? Like, and now I'm hearing it now as an adult. I'm like, dude, this is like, weird. He said predator. Or remember natural predators. What else did he say?

[B]

Your dad always has some off. Off the cough.

[A]

Yeah. Now I'm like, wow, that's.

[B]

This is 20, 26 butch. Yeah. It's probably like, they wouldn't. A lot of people wouldn't be able to.

[A]

No.

[B]

Share that now. You know what I mean?

[A]

No way. There's like, no way that's possible.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think that they would get. They wouldn't be able to get away with a lot of things to do.

[A]

The staining are really hard to watch.

[B]

Oh, I know. I can't imagine.

[A]

Oh, that's.

[B]

Why do you think I don't watch it?

[A]

No, babe.

[B]

Like, I want to relive that.

[A]

No, I know, but, like, I don't think people get it. And especially people who are like, maybe have. Haven't had their mind refreshed in a while. The word said to you were so cruel. And it's crazy that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's all these adults watching it. So. I get that part. I get why is it like. Like, like hindsight's 20 20.

[B]

Like, there's a lot of times they got me out of certain situations too. True. But they had to go about it the way that they could legally look at it.

[A]

Like, your abuse caught on camera. And I'm not saying anything against your mom or any. My dad's drug actor mama's struggling, whatever. But that doesn't negate the fact that you were verbally abused on camera. And as you hindsight 20 20, so you watch it back now and you're just like, wow, like, as an adult, I wonder what all the care. What do these people feel like?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Come from that lifestyle. So they're like. They're coming from whatever they're come from, you know?

[B]

Right.

[A]

They're all in LA and they're all in New York, and they're so that. I mean, like, I don't know, just like, what did they think? Like, dude, and they can't step in. They can't do anything right. You gotta watch this little. This girl get.

[B]

I'm sure it probably had to be hard.

[A]

So many things that, like, didn't even make it to air. But the stuff that did make it to Air.

[B]

I'm just like intense, dude.

[A]

Like wow. Like really intense.

[B]

Well, we'll have to watch it on Thursday. We'll have to report back. See what our things. Why are we even giving them the publicity?

[A]

I don't know. You, I. You brought it up.

[B]

I just wanted your opinion. What do you think it was going to be turn out to be like,

[A]

you know, I mean it's Hollywood demons. It's going to be like the hell they're gonna talk about our show, you know, exploiting children.

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[A]

Oh, we do.

[B]

Yeah. But I miss you guys. See, I know.

[A]

It just hasn't been us in a lot. I know.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Damn it.

[B]

So I did ask because we haven't done this in a minute. And I always like to get Tyler's reactions to our anonymous secrets. What did I do? What I do?

[A]

I didn't record. I'm just kidding.

[B]

It is. Don't. Dude, my heart just fell in my ass. Straight up. Yes, it did.

[A]

I was like, no, my top 10 horrors. And one of them was like realizing it wasn't recording.

[B]

It's like, oh my God.

[A]

Or canceled guests. That was a little one.

[B]

So I. So we haven't done this in a minute. So I asked some of our supporters to send their secrets, their anonymous secrets.

[A]

Oh, no. Oh, God. If you're listening, this is one of your secrets. Don't. I'm not. Anyway, I might judge you anyway. Whatever.

[B]

Okay, so we'll just do a couple of them. Let's see. There is one. Oh, I had sex with my ex husband.

[A]

Always sex. Why are all the. Dude, everyone out there's a freak. Anyway, go ahead.

[B]

I had sex with my ex husband's brother and his dad. Total regrets. His dad x her ex husband brother and his dad. Total regrets. And I have so many questions.

[A]

A daddy and his two boys.

[B]

Yeah, you.

[A]

A daddy and two of his boys.

[B]

And I have so many questions. Was this when you were married?

[A]

You have three.

[B]

Yep. But. But she says total regrets.

[A]

I bet. I bet the Regrets. One I know is because it's an ex. Two is because it's a dad. Yeah.

[B]

What the wait, is he married?

[A]

Is a brother anyway?

[B]

No, but like, the dad. Is the dad married to the mom still. Was this when you were married to your ex husband?

[A]

I hate to tell you, but you might be promiscuous.

[B]

Tyler. I'm dead.

[A]

Mike Montu. Get some therapy.

[B]

Oh, my God. I'm so.

[A]

Why are you doing a whole damn dominant male dominant side of a family?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why you.

[B]

You might be permission.

[A]

Why? Why. Why are you doing that? Like, why.

[B]

Why does your accent.

[A]

I don't know. I'm like. I don't want to like a friend, but I'm. I'm sorry. You know, why are you screwing the whole male Joneses? All the Johnson's. Why. Why you gotta hit all the Johnsons?

[B]

Don't know. I gotta ask. I should ask her some more questions, I think.

[A]

Okay. Maybe you have daddy issues.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. This one's up. I poked a hole into something to become an auntie. Lol.

[A]

And it worked.

[B]

I poked a hole into something to become an anti. Lol. She's going wrong.

[A]

You're going to hell. You're going to hell. You're going to hell.

[B]

Yeah, that's sad for the other people this poor. That's up.

[A]

Was it your brother?

[B]

I don't know. She didn't. They didn't specify.

[A]

Yeah, but you're not gonna have access to your brother's condom. Probably your sister, like. Oh, they haven't. And then you.

[B]

Why you could just go in their room. Poke, poke, poke, poke, poke.

[A]

You snake. You are a demon. You are a demon. You're a demon. You're a demon.

[B]

I wonder, is that something you take to the grave?

[A]

Yes. If you want to have your reputation be intact and be considered a good person. You violated your sister or brother.

[B]

Okay, one more.

[A]

I hope you really love that niece or nephew. I hope. I hope you actually. I hope. And whatever you're gonna. You better. You. You just. Child support. You need to pay. You need to pay your brother or sister child support.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if it's your sister, you need to help the baby daddy because it was all you and you.

[B]

True.

[A]

Yeah. They were trying to stop it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You said no. You. And I bet you. Do you have any kids?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

No. In your ass. You're on a cruise, living your single life.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That's great. It's. That's horrible, though. That's up. All right, last one. My baby Daddy cheated on me with multiple sex workers. We are still together, but I can't forget about it. Oh, we are still together, but I can't forgive.

[A]

Okay, so number one, first thing is you're still with them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bad decision there.

[B]

Yeah. Definitely need to leave this first decision.

[A]

And I think whoever this is, you know, in your gut.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That it's not that you gotta go.

[B]

And don't maybe. And don't just stay for the kids either.

[A]

My thing is that maybe you can come back together. I always. People get off.

[B]

I don't know. You cheat on me with multiple sex workers.

[A]

But for your own sense of. I gotta get over this. I can't be with you for a minute until. Or for maybe forever.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I do think you need to separate. Like literally break up. Like. Yeah, whatever you gotta do. Because you even said in there, I can't forgive.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

You just told.

[B]

It's either forgive or forget.

[A]

She literally just pretty much told herself what she needed to do. Yeah. That was your intuition speaking. You're saying he. Jimmy, all these people. Pretty much. He's a piece of. I'm still with them.

[B]

Yeah. I would leave. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Well, one, don't be with them. Two, you can't get over it. You can't. You don't have to forgive him. Yeah, that.

[B]

No, you don't have to.

[A]

Forever.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then I agree in. In, you know, you just gotta. Yeah. I don't know. I would stop being with the. What is going on? Why do people say I want to know? Anyone? Anyone listening? Why do you say after cheating happens. What. What is.

[B]

I think a lot of the moms get nervous. They get scared for the kids. And I wish women would just know that sometimes it's a lot of the times it's better off to separate for the kids. Because staying. But staying for the kids, a lot of the times can just cause a lot more turmoil in the household and a lot of more emotional damage than just getting a divorce or separating would.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because then you can protect them if

[A]

you take a break for a minute. Go. Okay. I gotta say, for the kids. What are you showing the children?

[B]

Yeah. That you settle.

[A]

That I don't respect myself. That I'm willing to be trampled all over. Willing to be cheated on, willing to be betrayed.

[B]

So sad.

[A]

And willing to just self betray. So what you're teaching them not good things. Shitty. Especially if you are raising daughters and sons and it's known between the whole thing that this happened.

[B]

Well, because for daughters it's like, oh, this Is what I accept as love. And then for sons, it's like, oh, girls don't care about this.

[A]

Yeah, not a big deal.

[B]

Right. So I would definitely reevaluate.

[A]

And they go, well, don't break up me. And the girl's like, I'm breaking out with you. Well, no, I mean, like my mom. My dad cheated my mom. And they say together. You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, yeah, you're. What are. So when you say I'm staying for the kids, what are you staying for? The. What are you showing the kids?

[B]

I don't know. That's. Yeah, I know. I.

[A]

You're showing self betrayal.

[B]

Well, I agree, Lee. And I hope she does divorce or separate or whatever you need to do.

[A]

Leave, period. And I say leave for a minimum of a year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And get some knocks on your own belt

[B]

after that.

[A]

Maybe. This guy's an idiot. What am I even doing staying here? You know what I'm saying?

[B]

D down. Way better.

[A]

Yeah, you never know. So. Hey, hey, you know, listen.

[B]

Get Billy Bob might. No, just get his horrible name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, I agree. I think you should reevaluate.

[A]

Even doing. I think dudes even. Like, we. Someone might. Anyway, I won't say, but someone we know. I know of got caught with a prostitute with their dad and he. His wife left him.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Both of them, and whatever. And I kept thinking behind my. And then. So I stopped in the middle. I was like, we are grown adults. Who the hell is paying to. To. What's going on? What's going on? Do you know how much I would rather every. I would rather do anything else than pay for it.

[B]

Well, especially when you have a wife at home that loves you and wants.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, even if you're single.

[A]

Whatever. Yeah, of course. I mean, obviously. But I'm saying even. Even just in general. What is that? Why?

[B]

I don't know. I have no clue.

[A]

That's so. That's.

[B]

Because they're natural born predators, Ty.

[A]

They want to pay. It's almost like pay inside. It's only the people who. The hunters will go to those deer farms.

[B]

Oh, right.

[A]

Here's money. I'm gonna go hunt.

[B]

All right.

[A]

They're everywhere.

[B]

There's 50 in a field.

[A]

You feel accomplished after shooting that gear

[B]

that you paid 50 that you paid to like or whatever you put them on. So sad. Save them out, like hitting the fence.

[A]

Oh, no, Charles, it's a fence. They go, oh, no, Jammy.

[B]

It's another fence.

[A]

And then it's just bullets.

[B]

I mean, why are they British.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I'm just saying it. That's what I feel like. So you're paying to.

[B]

Come on, just buy a pocket. It's probably a lot cheaper.

[A]

Damn. Yeah, well, true. I'm just saying it's probably a lot colder. You can warm them up.

[B]

I was gonna say warm them up.

[A]

Whatever. All I'm saying is that I would. I would. I would never. I wouldn't have.

[B]

They have lube that gets warm.

[A]

I pretty much wouldn't be into it. I know for a fact. I'd be like, it's not worth. I'm not even functional.

[B]

Because you don't even like me. I just paid you for it.

[A]

Like me?

[B]

Yeah. You like me, right?

[A]

You don't even want to be here, right? You don't want to be here, right? So how am I gonna be like. Yes. So hot and exciting. You hate me. You hate me.

[B]

Men are weird. Some men are weird, but we're gonna end it with that, let me tell you. Well, as we can continue to talk about what we're doing, our special project we're doing, we will keep you guys updated.

[A]

Sorry it's been so long.

[B]

Yeah, no, it has. Just. Life has been crazy. But make sure you guys drop a like and a comment on our podcast pages. And liking always helps in reviewing is great because we love to hear your

[A]

guys's feedback, share, repost, whatever, and listen.

[B]

And give us all love, because it helps us, too. And we'll be talking to you guys next week, and we're glad to be back. Kate and Ty are finally back, baby.

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