B (3:00)

He was just so average.

A (3:01)

Yeah, he wasn't dumb by any means, and he learned Latin from his brother. But he also wasn't like a star or a great organizer or a great preacher or a great. Any of the sort of singular things people were like, well, he's the best of the best at this in our orders that we'll send him.

B (3:19)

He just had a deep zeal for mission.

A (3:21)

He had a deep zeal. And he. It said that when he was there in the order, he would pray before an image of St. Francis Xavier every day, asking for that same kind of missionary work. Right. From the great Jesuit missionary Francis Xavier. He wanted to do the same kind of thing. This is his sort of aspiration. And not just an aspiration where he's arrogant about it, like, I'm going to go do this. But it's his prayer he wants. You know, he's got a heart like Isaiah. Here am I send me.

B (3:53)

Yes.

A (3:53)

And that's consuming. Exactly.

B (3:56)

Which was the order?

A (3:58)

Oh, I've forgotten.

B (4:00)

That's okay. It was a religious order.

A (4:02)

That's a really good question. And I've forgotten.

B (4:05)

But his brother had also joined. But were they sent to the same locations?

A (4:10)

No. So here's how it happened.

B (4:11)

Okay.

A (4:12)

So his brother was slated to go be a missionary in Hawaii, and his brother got really sick and couldn't take the trip. So Joseph, soon to be Father Damien, or sorry, Damien now because he took that name when he entered religious life, Damien volunteers and says, can I please go in his place? And they're like, sure. So they send him.

B (4:39)

Yes. I didn't know that.

A (4:40)

Yeah. So he's born in 1840, and then 1864, he shows up in Hawaii, and then after that is ordained. And it's really cool. I mean, both of these things I feel like are significant when I think about his story and the way that God does things. Because a right. It's sickness is going to be a part of his life and mission coming up. And sickness is part of the reason that, humanly speaking, he was able to be sent for this, whereas otherwise they might have just kept him in the convent and not even ordained him. But they sent him and the occasion was the sickness of his brother. And they didn't ordain him in Belgium and then send him. Right. He gets ordained in Hawaii there. And that's where he's going to do

B (5:28)

all of his mission.

A (5:29)

Yeah. His significant work.

B (5:31)

And just to paint the obvious, that Molokai is one of the islands in Hawaii.

A (5:38)

Yeah, yeah, that's right. So he gets sent down to Hawaii, Right. And there's just more than one island, and I've never been to Hawaii, so I don't know know well enough, but I know people have been in Hawaii.

B (5:48)

Yes.

A (5:49)

Have you been?

B (5:49)

I have not been.

A (5:50)

Okay. Anyway, so. So in the 1860s, right, not long after he started there, and he was just supposed to do kind of priestly work, mission work there in the 1860s, they had a whole bunch of. They had a big disease problem and a lot of people were dying off. And the Hawaiian government decided, well, what we're going to do is we're going to exile the people with what later got called Hansen's disease, but generally is a degenerating skin disease. Leprosy.

B (6:18)

Leprosy, right.

A (6:19)

We're going to exile the people with leprosy to this little peninsula off the end of the island, right? So it sticks out. It's surrounded by water on three sides. It sticks out from the island, but it's separated from the rest of the island by a big mountain. It wasn't meant to be like exile, good for nothing, good riddance kind of place. They did send them some supplies, and the government sent them food, but they said, well, we don't want any of this. They're scared of it spreading and more deaths than the rest of the islands. They said, we're going to send you off to a kind of leper colony, basically. So that's where all these people are. And not all of them are Catholic, but many of them are. And the Catholics petitioned and they said, can we please have a priest? And so the bishop doesn't want to, because he thinks this might be life threatening to go out and be among these folks. So he does bring it to his diocese, but he isn't going to force anybody by obedience to go.

B (7:18)

And maybe, you know, it would be a death sentence.

A (7:23)

That's what he's thinking. Yeah, exactly. And so it proved to be one. It proved to be a death sentence and a life sentence in a happy way for Father Damien. But so Damien and several other people volunteered to go. And after he'd been there for a while, the people actually wrote to the bishop and said, please let him stay permanently. And he did. And the work that he did there, being among the people and his humility to be a father and serve them, but also be among them and help them in every way possible, is really what made him venerable. And then, of course, miracles through his intercession that made him a saint. He

B (8:08)

what did he do for. Was it the gift of presence? Everything. Okay.

A (8:13)

So, I mean, the gift of presence is huge, first of all, because otherwise they're outcasts from society.

B (8:18)

True.

A (8:18)

And they don't have, like, their own new society. So, I mean, you can imagine if a whole bunch of people were sort of sent off to a place like that and isolated from everybody else, and they're not allowed to leave and they're not allowed to get visitors. Right. You can imagine the kind of, like, reputedly. Right. It became quite lawless in a lot of sectors, as you can imagine. Right. There's not a lot of infrastructure. We've been cast off here. So there's violence, there's lewdness. There's other kinds of licentiousness there. People have kind of lost hope and they've lost a feeling of their dignity. So Father Damien is there, and he just affirms everybody's dignity and he cares for everybody. So the similar kinds of things that Mother Teresa did with the poorest of the poor in Calcutta, he's doing there. Right?

B (9:01)

Yes. And in addition, like you said, without discrimination. Like, he served Catholics.

A (9:05)

He's serving Catholics, but. Yeah.

B (9:07)

Whoever was in front of him.

A (9:08)

Exactly. Right. Different races, religions and things like that. He's serving everybody. He builds coffins to bury the dead with dignity. He digs graves. He binds up people's sores and ulcers. Right. He binds up their kind of like rotting limbs and things like that. He's putting poultices on people and he's doing Mass.

B (9:30)

Did he have a background in any medical or did he just learn as he.

A (9:36)

If he had one. I'm not aware of it.

B (9:38)

He just was serving the obvious needs.

A (9:41)

He's just doing what needs to be done. He also helped to set up different leaders in the community so that they could try to make some infrastructure, roads and things like that. Right. Like, they end up. They make a little life in society for themselves as human beings together in a place where they, you know, could very easily and did. Right. Feel like they were just sort of inhuman castaways.

B (10:11)

Bringing that structure. Yeah. That dignity back to the people who. I'm sure he is a great patron for those who feel lonely or isolated. He goes to those people and elevates, reminds them of who they are.

A (10:24)

No, that's right. It makes me think his heart in this makes me think of Jesus in two ways, where you can sort of just see the character of Christ in Father Damien in his work, not just in his volunteering and his zeal. His Missionary zeal, But he on the one hand, Christ's incarnation and then in his death, he being in the form of God, didn't count equality with God, something to be taken advantage of, but emptied himself and took on the form of his own slave right to be among us, right?

B (10:58)

And I was looking at a picture of Father Damien when he did contract leprosy, which you could please share with us. But when you look at the image, it's just, his body is just so defigured and deformed. And truly when you think of Christ on the cross, his body so deformed and disfigured for the sake of the people he loves. So such a Christ, like absolutely emulation.

A (11:22)

That's right. And also I think about the Jesus parable of the shepherd going to get the lost sheep. He's got 100 sheep. Which one of you, if you had 100 sheep and one of them wandered off, wouldn't go, leave the hundred to go get the one that's gone. When I think about that image, you can think about it in so many different ways. So many parables have different kind of angles from which we can look at them and they can all be good. But I think about cheap ballpoint pens and you buy them in a pack of $100 for $7 or however much it is, and then you lose one in your purse or in the, like underneath my chair in the car or something, or I leave it at the bank or whatever. And it doesn't bother me because I got 99 more just like them. They're all the same, right? And they didn't cost me much. For Father Damien, every one of these people, as for Jesus, right, is unique and is valuable on their own. So that nobody's expendable, nobody's good riddance, nobody is just another one. And I've got a whole bunch of other ones, right? Every person there, even the non Catholics, whom he would serve in physical ways and would preach and convert them, he's serving in this way and ultimately of course, bringing himself to the condition of the people that he's serving. Like Christ, he, he does, he does die from it, right? He contracts leprosy in this 1885, and then he died four years later in 1889. And, and as you know, the, the pictures of him are. He's quite, he's in a bad way, yes, but he kept up to the end serving and that after he died, they moved again. They moved his mortal remains back to Belgium, right? So he's actually entombed in Belgium. But he's got a big statue in Hawaii and against the patron saint of. Patron saint of lepers, of outcasts, things like that. But also of the Diocese of Honolulu. Right. Because. And that's not their own Molokai. Right. They recognized. Right. This is a great missionary and saint for our people who wasn't from here. It wasn't indigenous, but he, he became one of us. So yeah, he's just, he's just, it's just a beautiful.

B (13:48)

And I think you could still go to Molokai and see some of these. I don't know if he created any like the infrastructures or buildings or schools, but I know you can visit the island and see some of the remnants from this time period and a church

A (14:00)

that he founded there. Yeah, absolutely.

B (14:03)

Were there a lot of conversions to Catholicism from his presence as a priest and bringing religion to some people who maybe did not know of Catholicism Prior?

A (14:15)

Yeah, absolutely. No, there's certainly, certainly people who converted at his teaching and his example. Right. And the person that you can see through him too, when you're. Sometimes we like to keep our struggles away from people because we think like, well, if, if I let people know that I'm having a hard time, right then especially my non believing friends, then they'll think that I haven't got it all together and Jesus isn't enough for me. But sometimes really the thing is that when people can see that you don't have anything to hold onto except Jesus, they can see how strong Jesus is to be able to keep hold of you.

B (14:52)

I believe there's a quote from St Damian where he says in the times of just our weakness, where in our isolation and our suffering, we receive our strength at the foot of the altar where when we have nothing else and no one else, the only person who we have who receives us is Jesus Christ and that he is our strength. That's right. Similar to what you were just saying.

A (15:15)

Yeah, absolutely. And so in terms of his legacy, he's great for thinking about mission, he's great for thinking about the Eucharist and the strength to draw from it. And he says we draw it from Christ, the Eucharist, the foot of the altar for his compassion and just a real servant. Leadership is so important and it's something that can become kind of cliche. Right. Servant leadership, don't just be a leader and be mean to people underneath you, you should also take care of them. Well, that's good. But suffering, servant leadership, to take, truly

B (15:49)

take on the suffering of those people

A (15:51)

yourself, that's Right, that's right.

B (15:54)

Beautiful.

A (15:54)

And so he's, we, my, he's actually my wife's confirmation saint.

B (15:58)

Okay, very good.

A (16:00)

So we're, we're asking for his intercession every, every day. And she knows far more about him than I do.

B (16:05)

We'll have to have her on sometime.

A (16:07)

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

B (16:08)

No, that's beautiful. And have you seen in her life, does she have a particular way that she invites or has a devotion to him or invites his spirituality into or. Yeah, in her life.

A (16:20)

Yeah, she's. I can see it, at least in my wife, in the way that she interacts with our kids and then interacts with the marginalized around us or the people who don't feel like they have anything to hold on to. My wife has, I mean, I try to do it too, but they certainly see her example more often. But my kids are praying every night for homeless people by name that they've met. Right. And given a bottle of water to or talked with or prayed for. Right. During the day.

B (16:55)

Yes.

A (16:55)

She's tender and compassionate with the kids. Right. Who are our own little people who don't have anybody else to take care of them and are often lawless with that little bit of order and infrastructure. But she, and then in pro life causes as well. And I don't know if I don't know how conscious it is for her, but it's something I can see in her is a very sort of Damian kind of way, which I expect is part of what drew her to him to choose him as her confirmation saint.

B (17:32)

It's beautiful. See the lepers around us today. And Emily, that example, was there anything else you'd like to share about St Damian with his legacy, his gift?

A (17:43)

Go learn, learn about him and think about him and ask him to help you in your life of suffering is inevitable. Right. But in making it willing and charitable, suffering for the sake of Christ and for him and others.

B (17:58)

Amen. That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing with us today about St Damian.

A (18:02)

Thanks so much, Mary.

B (18:03)

Thank you for joining us. And St Damian of Molokai pray for us. Thanks for joining.

A (18:11)

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