CHANEL Connects: Curators and the Zeitgeist with Simon Castets and Courtney J. Martin

Episode Release Date: August 6, 2024

In this compelling episode of CHANEL Connects, host Yana Peel delves into the intricate world of art curation with two esteemed guests: Simone Castei, co-founder of the 89 Project, and Courtney Martin, Executive Director of the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation. Set against the backdrop of the Venice Biennale’s 60th edition, the conversation explores the essence of curatorial practice, personal journeys within the art world, and the evolving landscape of contemporary art.

First Encounters with the Venice Biennale

The discussion begins with Simone and Courtney sharing their inaugural experiences at the Venice Biennale, highlighting the profound impact these events had on their careers and perspectives.

Courtney Martin reflects on her first Biennale:
"This is my first Biennale as well... [02:53]"

Simone Castei recounts her first visit at 17:
"I came in 2001 for the first time when I was 17, and it really knocked my socks off... [02:16]"

These early encounters ignited their passion for contemporary art, shaping their paths and deepening their commitment to the field.

Defining the Role of a Curator

A significant portion of the conversation centers on the multifaceted role of curators. Simone and Courtney emphasize the delicate balance between organizational prowess and creative vision required in curatorial work.

Courtney Martin elaborates:
"You have a sense of deep organizational skills, but you are also wildly creative at exactly the same time... [05:03]"

Simone Castei adds:
"The role is to accompany the artist and to be in the background and make sure that things are at the best of their possibility... [05:38]"

Their insights highlight curators as facilitators who bridge the gap between artists, artworks, and audiences, ensuring that artistic expressions are showcased effectively.

Collaborative Practices and Relationships

The synergy between Simone and Courtney is a testament to the collaborative nature of curatorial work. Their long-standing relationship, rooted in mutual respect and shared experiences, underscores the importance of teamwork in creating impactful exhibitions.

Courtney Martin shares the story of their partnership:
"And so when I met Simone, I could see it immediately... [07:23]"

They discuss how their collective efforts enhance their ability to curate, emphasizing that curatorial success is rarely a solo endeavor.

Approaching the Venice Biennale Theme

The duo discusses the ambitious theme for the current Biennale, "Foreigners Everywhere," and its implications for the art world.

Courtney Martin comments on the scope:
"The largest number of artists that have ever been included, and that's a big feat... [14:18]"

Simone Castei believes the theme offers a dynamic platform:
"It's going to be the most exciting... [15:15]"

They contemplate the challenges and opportunities presented by such an expansive and diverse exhibition, recognizing its potential to redefine artistic narratives.

Preparation and Anticipation

When asked about their preparation for the Biennale, both curators surprisingly reveal a minimalist approach, opting to engage with the event organically rather than through extensive prior reading.

Simone Castei states:
"No, you just want to be ready to absorb somehow, as a blank slate... [17:09]"

Courtney Martin concurs:
"Absolutely... [17:26]"

This approach allows them to experience the Biennale with fresh eyes, fostering genuine interactions and spontaneous insights.

The Significance of Awards

The conversation touches upon the role of prestigious awards like the Lions in the art community. While acknowledging their honor, Simone and Courtney view them more as retrospective markers rather than immediate indicators of artistic merit.

Simone Castei remarks:
"I think they're more important in retrospect... [17:28]"

Courtney Martin adds historical context:
"After 1968, the year that Bridget Reilly wins... [18:04]"

They discuss how awards can influence perceptions and highlight shifts within the art world.

Advice for Aspiring Curators

Offering guidance to the next generation, Simone and Courtney emphasize the importance of exploration and active engagement with artists.

Simone Castei advises:
"Go everywhere, see everything, and listen to what the artists have to say... [18:38]"

Courtney Martin humorously echoes this sentiment:
"No, don't listen to anything... [18:47]"

Their advice underscores the value of immersive learning and personal connections in building a successful curatorial career.

Venice Highlights: Art and Cuisine

Balancing professional insights with personal favorites, the curators share their must-visit spots in Venice, blending art appreciation with culinary delights.

Simone Castei recommends:
"I always try to go to Musee aux Corre for the unbelievable collection... [19:03]"

Courtney Martin complements:
"I went immediately to the academia to see Bellini and Titian and Tiepolo... [19:42]"

They also mention savoring local cuisine, with Courtney highlighting her affection for Cicchetti:
"I make time for sepi compliment... [19:54]"

These anecdotes provide listeners with a glimpse into the cultural tapestry of Venice beyond the Biennale.

Looking Ahead: The Future of Art

In their closing thoughts, Simone and Courtney express optimism about the evolving role of art and artists in shaping societal narratives.

Simone Castei envisions:
"The ability to reclaim a space against the world... [20:22]"

Courtney Martin reflects on the transformative power of artists:
"Artists are states, people. And so, you know, even my own ability to move throughout the world has largely been enabled by art... [20:26]"

Their forward-looking perspectives highlight art's enduring capacity to innovate and influence.

Conclusion

As the conversation wraps up, Yana Peel ties together the profound reflections shared by Simone and Courtney, emphasizing the lasting impact of their first Biennale experiences and their continuous contributions to the art world. The episode not only sheds light on the nuanced responsibilities of curators but also celebrates the vibrant, ever-evolving landscape of contemporary art.

Listeners are encouraged to stay connected with CHANEL Connects for future episodes exploring diverse intersections of art and culture.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "The role is to accompany the artist and to be in the background and make sure that things are at the best of their possibility." – Simone Castei [05:38]

• "You are in this constant conversation with all of those people to make this singular thing happen." – Courtney Martin [10:03]

• "Artists give us a lot of innovation in ways that many other fields just don't have the ability to do that." – Courtney Martin [20:26]

This episode of CHANEL Connects offers a rich exploration of curatorial excellence and the vibrant dynamism of the Venice Biennale, making it a must-listen for art enthusiasts and aspiring curators alike.