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[00:18]
A
EMDR is very special and stands for eye movement desensitization and Reprocessing. Whenever we're traumatized, it gets locked in our brain, I mean, physically, with the images and the sounds and the thoughts and the smells. And if our brains don't process through it, it literally gets stuck. And it can cause you to stay home for years.
[00:52]
B
Right.
[00:53]
A
Because you have so much anxiety. What the eye movement tends to do or the bilateral stimulation. Because sometimes you can do this, sometimes people do tapping it just helps you reprocess it. But from an adult perspective rather than something that you processed as a child or something that happened many years ago. And now you're so competent and so experienced, it's important to take your good mother and mother, that part of you that was wounded.
[01:36]
B
Wow.
[01:37]
A
Does that make sense?
[01:38]
B
Yes.
[01:39]
A
And what I've seen with emdr, because I've done scans before and after, it takes that over activity and it settles it down.
[01:50]
B
Yes.
[01:51]
A
So why don't we start with the thought of being embarrassed and the health issues and you can't screw this up. Let's just be really clear. Okay? All I want you to do is follow my fingers.
[02:10]
B
Okay.
[02:10]
A
Think about what we talk about. Imagine yourself on a train and let's just see where your brain goes. Sometimes it'll go to the past, to other events. Just want to see what's linked.
[02:27]
B
Okay.
[02:27]
A
To it. And so remember, on a scale of 0 to 10, you said this is upsetting. An 8. Like by travel, die. I'm going to be embarrassed. Let's just see where it goes.
[02:43]
B
Okay.
[02:43]
A
Ready?
[02:44]
B
Yep.
[02:44]
A
That's all I want you to do is follow my finger. Okay? Take a breath. Tell me what comes up.
[03:07]
B
Getting on a train with someone, besides, like, my comfort is what I was doing. And it just. It just makes me feel jittery and the feeling of my brain going, please don't let that happen. Please don't let that happen. You know, like that's. That's just how I feel when I start thinking about even the possibility of doing that.
[03:30]
A
Who are you saying that to?
[03:32]
B
Myself.
[03:34]
A
Okay. So I want you to just imagine the thought, getting on, feeling jittery. And let's see, let's see where that goes. Let's see what that's linked to.
[03:56]
B
Okay?
[03:57]
A
Take a breath. Where did you bring her?
[03:59]
B
To our bus.
[04:00]
A
To where?
[04:01]
B
To our bus.
[04:02]
A
Tell me.
[04:02]
B
Being sick on the bus and then having the kids and the duh, and like, maybe it's a lot of it too, is like I always keep everything together and if I'M not okay. I don't feel like that's what it is now, but maybe before, I do feel like I'm the only one in control at all at. At this moment. And if I lose control, it is not good.
[04:27]
A
So let's go back to the train or go back to traveling. Feeling jittery, feeling, oh, my God, I'm going to be embarrassed. And let's. Let's see where that goes now.
[04:42]
B
Okay.
[04:56]
A
Okay, Take a breath. Where'd your mind go?
[05:00]
B
It just felt the same, really. Just me and Molly sitting on a train.
[05:04]
A
Anything in that?
[05:06]
B
No.
[05:07]
A
Feeling anxious, feeling jittery, feeling pretty calm.
[05:11]
B
But. Yeah, just Molly and me.
[05:18]
A
Well, let's have Miley not be on the train this time and have you be with whoever else you want to be and see what happens. Okay, Kick a breath.
[05:41]
B
Really, it's just me sitting on the train and me sitting there going, how am I feeling right now? I'm feeling very calm, which is good. But mostly just me thinking, am I. Am I going to be okay? And I do know I'm highly functioning. That's why I think now doing the work that I've done, because really, I really can't believe the change in my life from January till now. And like I said in. In January, February, there's no way I would have believed I would have been sitting here highly functioning. I have my moments.
[06:35]
A
But, well, and a lot of the moments go back to, am I gonna be sick?
[06:41]
B
Totally.
[06:42]
A
So let's work on that.
[06:43]
B
That's. That is what it is.
[06:45]
A
And before your dad got sick, did you have any health anxiety?
[06:52]
B
No.
[06:53]
A
So let's. Let's go back to that time
[06:57]
B
and.
[06:58]
A
Because the I. The idea is you're not going to be okay. What if I get sick? I'm going to die and there won't be somebody to help me. So let's target that thought. Okay? Take a breath. What came up
[07:32]
B
mostly on that, it was just seeing my dad and things that he went through, like little flashes of everything my dad went through that was so well. And most of the time, once again, like, I had to be there because at that point my mom also had had a horrible thing happened where an artery broke in her nose. Have you ever heard of that? It was so crazy. And so we were in Baltimore at Johns Hopkins, because that's where my dad was once he had his voice box removed, that's where he had it done. And we were at the hotel there. This is the most horrific thing I think I've ever had to deal with and I'm young, I was I guess 17 or 18 going on 18. And all of a sudden my mom yells for me to come in the bathroom. And we're in this place that you would stay at Johns Hopkins. And I ran in and literally, I'm not even kidding you, the entire sink was filling up with blood so quick because it was like just every time her heart it was like gushing. So I called 911. They came and got us and took us to the emergency room and which my dad was in the hospital, just had his vox voice voice box removed. And my mom is now in the hospital with this happening and she literally had to sleep setting up for six weeks because they put this thing called a balloon in her nose to stop the bleeding. So once we got flew back to Kentucky where I'm from, I just remember having to really take care of my dad because my mom literally is on a couch sleeping straight up for six weeks trying to not. And I'm an only child, you know, like it was me, my mom and dad completely overwhelmed. I remember the time my dad got a shot and we were walking into. And again he couldn't talk and he had one of the tracheotomy things in and we were walking into their business because my dad was such a I'm still going to work kind of guy and he had gotten this shot and I don't know what had happened but I look and like the whole back of his pants were just, it was just blood. And we're going like dad, like dad, like and then putting him back in the car because my mom's sick to take him. So. Yeah. And I think about it is a lot of health stuff with my dad that I saw like such a young age. It was scary.
[10:05]
A
So take your adult self now and what would you say? You're 17 then.
[10:12]
B
Yeah.
[10:13]
A
What would you say to your 17 year old son?
[10:16]
B
Like what an amazing daughter. First of all you were to be able to do that and like I'm sorry you had to go through that alone because I really did. Like we had no other family. It was me, my mom and dad. That's it.
[10:29]
A
So I want you to get on the train with her with the 17 year old. But also from the perspective of your good mother who has seen spirits. Take your breath. Okay mom.
[11:06]
B
Just that what I would say to her is also like you saw so much and actually a lot of that was going back and forth to Baltimore from Kentucky, traveling. Cuz other things happened there too. I think it's Kind of me saying to myself, the things that Molly has said to me is like. I think also sometimes I'm like, my life has been so awesome and so, like, I feel so fortunate and blessed for the life that especially that I'm leading now. And I also. I'll say a lot of time is like, why me? Why did I get to live? But actually looking back on it, I realized, like, I've actually been through freaking a lot.
[12:01]
A
I mean, it's like, I didn't know about the details of that.
[12:05]
B
It was horrible.
[12:06]
A
I mean, that's a nightmare.
[12:08]
B
It was terrible. And I just.
[12:09]
A
You survive.
[12:10]
B
I was thinking, coming back from Baltimore, my mom couldn't drive because she had a balloon in her nose. I guess I could have, but I guess my dad was adamant. Even though he had just had all this. Like, he was driving, and I just remember him putting the car supposed to be in reverse, and he had it in driving, like, went over this little, like, parking curb. And he was so upset about it. And I just remember being sad that he was embarrassed that he did that and. Because he was so embarrassed, And I'm sure I don't even remember what happened after that. I just remember I was really sad that my dad was so embarrassed and that he was so sick. And my dad was like. Like, he took care of me, my mom. Like, he was amazing. The best dad ever. And I think maybe that was a lot. How I feel is like, he probably was feeling like he wasn't in control anymore. And I know that made him so sad and embarrassed too, because he really did take care of my mom and me. He was awesome. And I guess after that, I'll never forget when my dad died that it was just me and my mom sitting there and it was kind of just like the two of us, which was
[13:31]
A
pretty scary, too, you know, Pretty scary because he'd always taken care of you.
[13:37]
B
Yeah. And it was like we were like, you know, it was me, my mom and dad, and we were so close. And then I think, like, my mom, like, to this. I mean, she wore a wedding ring until she passed away. You know, another 30 years, she would have never. Like, they just had this most incredible, special thing.
[13:57]
A
I. Feeling more compassion for your younger self.
[14:01]
B
Oh.
[14:03]
A
And despite all of that, it's been fine.
[14:07]
B
Yeah. Yeah, it really has. And then.
[14:12]
A
So if we think of traveling and the anxiety, you're someone that can deal with the nightmare and come out okay.
[14:21]
B
That's where I gotta get my brain to know that I can.
[14:24]
A
I'll be fine. Let's do that. I'll be okay. I'll be fine. No matter what. I'll give by. What came up. What came up? Really?
[14:54]
B
Just on the train with my AirPods in just seeing myself being okay.
[15:03]
A
There's this great story I read of a grandfather who told his grandson that there's a war going on in his head between two wolves that like really bad, evil, hateful, scary, awful wolf and a really fun little loving, peaceful wolf. And the grandson says, which wolf is going to win? And the grandfather said, the wolf you feed will win. But you've been feeding. Yeah, the scary wolf.
[15:36]
B
Absolutely.
[15:37]
A
You've been getting that wolf treats, major
[15:40]
B
treats for a long time. Right.
[15:42]
A
And what does it say in the Bible, Philippians 4. 8. Think on whatever is pure. Right. Lovely, Good, excellent, worthy of praise. Let your mind dwell in Romans 12, 2. I just love so much. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. People know that verse, but they don't know the second part of that verse, which is. Then you'll be able to test if it's God's good, perfect and pleasing will. And these anxiety thoughts are not God's good, perfect and pleasing will?
[16:21]
B
No.
[16:22]
A
Because he talks about the lilies of the field and how they don't worry.
[16:27]
B
Yes.
[16:27]
A
God came. Jesus came to give you abundant life.
[16:30]
B
Yeah. No, not plans to destroy you, but plans to make you.
[16:34]
A
And you have had an abundant life.
[16:37]
B
Yes.
[16:37]
A
And you are so blessed.
[16:41]
B
So blessed.
[16:42]
A
And that's where we have to feed that part of your mind.
[16:45]
B
Right. Absolutely.
[16:48]
A
This is helpful.
[16:50]
B
So helpful. It always is,
[17:12]
A
Sam.

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Episode Summary: A EMDR Therapy Session with Tish Cyrus

Podcast: Change Your Brain Every Day
Hosts: Dr. Daniel Amen & Tana Amen
Guest: Tish Cyrus
Date: August 4, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode offers an intimate, in-depth look at an EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy session with special guest Tish Cyrus. Dr. Daniel Amen acts as facilitator, guiding Tish through a live EMDR process to address her deep-seated anxieties about health, embarrassment, and traumatic childhood memories. Through this powerful, real-time therapy session, listeners are given insight into how trauma is stored in the brain, how EMDR helps reframe old wounds, and how healing can open up the possibility of living with greater peace and self-compassion.

Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Introduction to EMDR and Trauma

Dr. Amen introduces EMDR as a therapy that targets traumatic memories "locked in our brain, physically, with images and the sounds and the thoughts and the smells." (00:17–00:52)
Processing childhood trauma in an adult state:

“It just helps you reprocess it. But from an adult perspective rather than something that you processed as a child or something that happened many years ago.” — Dr. Amen (00:52)
Dr. Amen notes that EMDR reduces brain overactivity seen on scans after therapy (01:38).

2. Starting the EMDR Process: Travel Anxiety

Tish’s presenting anxiety: embarrassment and health concerns related to traveling, rated as an 8/10 in distress (02:27).
EMDR “train” visualization: Dr. Amen asks Tish to imagine herself on a train to let her mind track the roots of distress (02:10–03:06).
Tish describes feeling “jittery” and pleads in her mind, “please don’t let that happen,” expressing a strong, almost childlike fear (03:06).
Dr. Amen: “Who are you saying that to?”
Tish: “Myself.” (03:30–03:33)

3. Tracing Anxiety to Childhood Experiences

Childhood scene linkage: Tish’s mind returns to being “sick on the bus,” surrounded by kids, feeling responsible and fearing lack of control (04:00–04:26).
Tish repeatedly revisits the feeling of being “the only one in control” and fears what happens if she loses that grip.
Further EMDR prompts bring up images of Tish on a train with her daughter, Miley, and later alone, with shifting feelings of anxiety and calm (05:17–05:40).

4. Connecting Current Anxiety With Family Trauma

Anchoring event: Tish reveals her health anxiety only began after her father’s illness (06:45–06:53).
She shares vivid, traumatic memories:
- Her father’s cancer treatment and hospitalizations.
- A medical emergency involving her mother, “the entire sink was filling up with blood so quick…” (07:32–09:00)
- Age 17–18, being an only child responsible for two ailing parents:
  
  “It was me, my mom and dad, completely overwhelmed.” (09:00–10:04)
“I had to really take care of my dad because my mom literally is on a couch sleeping straight up for six weeks… I'm an only child…” — Tish Cyrus (09:09)

5. Reparenting the Younger Self

Dr. Amen: “Take your adult self now… What would you say to your 17-year-old self?” (10:04)
Tish responds with profound self-compassion:

“What an amazing daughter you were to be able to do that and I’m sorry you had to go through that alone…” (10:15)
Dr. Amen invites her to visualize her “good mother” self comforting her younger self.

6. Integrating the Past and Reframing the Present

Tish reflects on how her struggles and anxiety connect back to those formative traumas, stating:

“Actually looking back on it, I realized, like, I’ve actually been through freaking a lot.” (11:05)
She acknowledges lifelong resilience, recalling her father’s embarrassment and the family’s closeness:

“He probably was feeling like he wasn’t in control anymore. And I know that made him so sad and embarrassed too…” (12:08)
Dr. Amen summarizes the therapeutic goal: recognizing that she has survived all her nightmares and come out okay (14:12).

7. Moving Forward: “Feeding the Right Wolf”

Dr. Amen shares a powerful parable about the “two wolves” inside the mind—one fearful, one loving—and how the one you feed grows stronger (15:02–15:36).

“But you’ve been feeding the scary wolf. You’ve been giving that wolf treats, major treats for a long time.” — Dr. Amen (15:37)
He references biblical wisdom for handling anxiety:

“…whatever is pure… lovely, good, excellent, worthy of praise, let your mind dwell.” (15:41) “…be transformed by the renewing of your mind…” (15:41)
The message: shift focus away from anxiety to abundance, gratitude, and self-assurance.

8. Conclusion: Hope, Change & Self-Compassion

Tish voices how helpful and transformative the session feels:

“This is helpful.” (16:48)
“So helpful. It always is.” (16:49)

Notable Quotes & Moments

On the root of anxiety:
“It was me, my mom and dad, completely overwhelmed. I remember the time my dad got a shot... like the whole back of his pants were just, it was just blood. And... putting him back in the car because my mom’s sick to take him. So. Yeah. And I think about it is a lot of health stuff with my dad that I saw like such a young age. It was scary.”
— Tish Cyrus (08:30–10:04)
On resilience and moving forward:
“If we think of traveling and the anxiety, you’re someone that can deal with the nightmare and come out okay.”
— Dr. Amen (14:12)
Feeding the right wolf:
“You’ve been feeding the scary wolf. You’ve been giving that wolf treats, major treats for a long time.”
— Dr. Amen (15:37)
On abundance:
“And you have had an abundant life.”
— Dr. Amen (16:34) “So blessed.”
— Tish Cyrus (16:40)

Key Segment Timestamps

Intro to EMDR and trauma: 00:17–01:49
Train visualization/fear tracing: 02:09–03:56
Childhood trauma connection: 04:00–05:40
Family medical trauma narrative: 07:32–10:04
Reparenting/compassion work: 10:04–12:01
Parable of the two wolves/Biblical mindset: 15:02–16:34

Tone & Takeaways

The tone is compassionate, supportive, and deeply personal. Dr. Amen blends neuroscience, practical therapy, and spiritual wisdom. Tish Cyrus’s vulnerability and reflections create an emotionally resonant session, illustrating the transformative power of EMDR and self-compassion for anyone struggling with the residue of early trauma.

Listeners will take away a lived understanding of EMDR, the beauty of reparenting the inner child, and concrete inspiration to “feed the right wolf” in their own minds.

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[00:18]
A
EMDR is very special and stands for eye movement desensitization and Reprocessing. Whenever we're traumatized, it gets locked in our brain, I mean, physically, with the images and the sounds and the thoughts and the smells. And if our brains don't process through it, it literally gets stuck. And it can cause you to stay home for years.
[00:52]
B
Right.
[00:53]
A
Because you have so much anxiety. What the eye movement tends to do or the bilateral stimulation. Because sometimes you can do this, sometimes people do tapping it just helps you reprocess it. But from an adult perspective rather than something that you processed as a child or something that happened many years ago. And now you're so competent and so experienced, it's important to take your good mother and mother, that part of you that was wounded.
[01:36]
B
Wow.
[01:37]
A
Does that make sense?
[01:38]
B
Yes.
[01:39]
A
And what I've seen with emdr, because I've done scans before and after, it takes that over activity and it settles it down.
[01:50]
B
Yes.
[01:51]
A
So why don't we start with the thought of being embarrassed and the health issues and you can't screw this up. Let's just be really clear. Okay? All I want you to do is follow my fingers.
[02:10]
B
Okay.
[02:10]
A
Think about what we talk about. Imagine yourself on a train and let's just see where your brain goes. Sometimes it'll go to the past, to other events. Just want to see what's linked.
[02:27]
B
Okay.
[02:27]
A
To it. And so remember, on a scale of 0 to 10, you said this is upsetting. An 8. Like by travel, die. I'm going to be embarrassed. Let's just see where it goes.
[02:43]
B
Okay.
[02:43]
A
Ready?
[02:44]
B
Yep.
[02:44]
A
That's all I want you to do is follow my finger. Okay? Take a breath. Tell me what comes up.
[03:07]
B
Getting on a train with someone, besides, like, my comfort is what I was doing. And it just. It just makes me feel jittery and the feeling of my brain going, please don't let that happen. Please don't let that happen. You know, like that's. That's just how I feel when I start thinking about even the possibility of doing that.
[03:30]
A
Who are you saying that to?
[03:32]
B
Myself.
[03:34]
A
Okay. So I want you to just imagine the thought, getting on, feeling jittery. And let's see, let's see where that goes. Let's see what that's linked to.
[03:56]
B
Okay?
[03:57]
A
Take a breath. Where did you bring her?
[03:59]
B
To our bus.
[04:00]
A
To where?
[04:01]
B
To our bus.
[04:02]
A
Tell me.
[04:02]
B
Being sick on the bus and then having the kids and the duh, and like, maybe it's a lot of it too, is like I always keep everything together and if I'M not okay. I don't feel like that's what it is now, but maybe before, I do feel like I'm the only one in control at all at. At this moment. And if I lose control, it is not good.
[04:27]
A
So let's go back to the train or go back to traveling. Feeling jittery, feeling, oh, my God, I'm going to be embarrassed. And let's. Let's see where that goes now.
[04:42]
B
Okay.
[04:56]
A
Okay, Take a breath. Where'd your mind go?
[05:00]
B
It just felt the same, really. Just me and Molly sitting on a train.
[05:04]
A
Anything in that?
[05:06]
B
No.
[05:07]
A
Feeling anxious, feeling jittery, feeling pretty calm.
[05:11]
B
But. Yeah, just Molly and me.
[05:18]
A
Well, let's have Miley not be on the train this time and have you be with whoever else you want to be and see what happens. Okay, Kick a breath.
[05:41]
B
Really, it's just me sitting on the train and me sitting there going, how am I feeling right now? I'm feeling very calm, which is good. But mostly just me thinking, am I. Am I going to be okay? And I do know I'm highly functioning. That's why I think now doing the work that I've done, because really, I really can't believe the change in my life from January till now. And like I said in. In January, February, there's no way I would have believed I would have been sitting here highly functioning. I have my moments.
[06:35]
A
But, well, and a lot of the moments go back to, am I gonna be sick?
[06:41]
B
Totally.
[06:42]
A
So let's work on that.
[06:43]
B
That's. That is what it is.
[06:45]
A
And before your dad got sick, did you have any health anxiety?
[06:52]
B
No.
[06:53]
A
So let's. Let's go back to that time
[06:57]
B
and.
[06:58]
A
Because the I. The idea is you're not going to be okay. What if I get sick? I'm going to die and there won't be somebody to help me. So let's target that thought. Okay? Take a breath. What came up
[07:32]
B
mostly on that, it was just seeing my dad and things that he went through, like little flashes of everything my dad went through that was so well. And most of the time, once again, like, I had to be there because at that point my mom also had had a horrible thing happened where an artery broke in her nose. Have you ever heard of that? It was so crazy. And so we were in Baltimore at Johns Hopkins, because that's where my dad was once he had his voice box removed, that's where he had it done. And we were at the hotel there. This is the most horrific thing I think I've ever had to deal with and I'm young, I was I guess 17 or 18 going on 18. And all of a sudden my mom yells for me to come in the bathroom. And we're in this place that you would stay at Johns Hopkins. And I ran in and literally, I'm not even kidding you, the entire sink was filling up with blood so quick because it was like just every time her heart it was like gushing. So I called 911. They came and got us and took us to the emergency room and which my dad was in the hospital, just had his vox voice voice box removed. And my mom is now in the hospital with this happening and she literally had to sleep setting up for six weeks because they put this thing called a balloon in her nose to stop the bleeding. So once we got flew back to Kentucky where I'm from, I just remember having to really take care of my dad because my mom literally is on a couch sleeping straight up for six weeks trying to not. And I'm an only child, you know, like it was me, my mom and dad completely overwhelmed. I remember the time my dad got a shot and we were walking into. And again he couldn't talk and he had one of the tracheotomy things in and we were walking into their business because my dad was such a I'm still going to work kind of guy and he had gotten this shot and I don't know what had happened but I look and like the whole back of his pants were just, it was just blood. And we're going like dad, like dad, like and then putting him back in the car because my mom's sick to take him. So. Yeah. And I think about it is a lot of health stuff with my dad that I saw like such a young age. It was scary.
[10:05]
A
So take your adult self now and what would you say? You're 17 then.
[10:12]
B
Yeah.
[10:13]
A
What would you say to your 17 year old son?
[10:16]
B
Like what an amazing daughter. First of all you were to be able to do that and like I'm sorry you had to go through that alone because I really did. Like we had no other family. It was me, my mom and dad. That's it.
[10:29]
A
So I want you to get on the train with her with the 17 year old. But also from the perspective of your good mother who has seen spirits. Take your breath. Okay mom.
[11:06]
B
Just that what I would say to her is also like you saw so much and actually a lot of that was going back and forth to Baltimore from Kentucky, traveling. Cuz other things happened there too. I think it's Kind of me saying to myself, the things that Molly has said to me is like. I think also sometimes I'm like, my life has been so awesome and so, like, I feel so fortunate and blessed for the life that especially that I'm leading now. And I also. I'll say a lot of time is like, why me? Why did I get to live? But actually looking back on it, I realized, like, I've actually been through freaking a lot.
[12:01]
A
I mean, it's like, I didn't know about the details of that.
[12:05]
B
It was horrible.
[12:06]
A
I mean, that's a nightmare.
[12:08]
B
It was terrible. And I just.
[12:09]
A
You survive.
[12:10]
B
I was thinking, coming back from Baltimore, my mom couldn't drive because she had a balloon in her nose. I guess I could have, but I guess my dad was adamant. Even though he had just had all this. Like, he was driving, and I just remember him putting the car supposed to be in reverse, and he had it in driving, like, went over this little, like, parking curb. And he was so upset about it. And I just remember being sad that he was embarrassed that he did that and. Because he was so embarrassed, And I'm sure I don't even remember what happened after that. I just remember I was really sad that my dad was so embarrassed and that he was so sick. And my dad was like. Like, he took care of me, my mom. Like, he was amazing. The best dad ever. And I think maybe that was a lot. How I feel is like, he probably was feeling like he wasn't in control anymore. And I know that made him so sad and embarrassed too, because he really did take care of my mom and me. He was awesome. And I guess after that, I'll never forget when my dad died that it was just me and my mom sitting there and it was kind of just like the two of us, which was
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A
pretty scary, too, you know, Pretty scary because he'd always taken care of you.
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B
Yeah. And it was like we were like, you know, it was me, my mom and dad, and we were so close. And then I think, like, my mom, like, to this. I mean, she wore a wedding ring until she passed away. You know, another 30 years, she would have never. Like, they just had this most incredible, special thing.
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A
I. Feeling more compassion for your younger self.
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B
Oh.
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A
And despite all of that, it's been fine.
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B
Yeah. Yeah, it really has. And then.
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A
So if we think of traveling and the anxiety, you're someone that can deal with the nightmare and come out okay.
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B
That's where I gotta get my brain to know that I can.
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A
I'll be fine. Let's do that. I'll be okay. I'll be fine. No matter what. I'll give by. What came up. What came up? Really?
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B
Just on the train with my AirPods in just seeing myself being okay.
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A
There's this great story I read of a grandfather who told his grandson that there's a war going on in his head between two wolves that like really bad, evil, hateful, scary, awful wolf and a really fun little loving, peaceful wolf. And the grandson says, which wolf is going to win? And the grandfather said, the wolf you feed will win. But you've been feeding. Yeah, the scary wolf.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
You've been getting that wolf treats, major
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B
treats for a long time. Right.
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A
And what does it say in the Bible, Philippians 4. 8. Think on whatever is pure. Right. Lovely, Good, excellent, worthy of praise. Let your mind dwell in Romans 12, 2. I just love so much. Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. People know that verse, but they don't know the second part of that verse, which is. Then you'll be able to test if it's God's good, perfect and pleasing will. And these anxiety thoughts are not God's good, perfect and pleasing will?
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B
No.
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A
Because he talks about the lilies of the field and how they don't worry.
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B
Yes.
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A
God came. Jesus came to give you abundant life.
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B
Yeah. No, not plans to destroy you, but plans to make you.
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A
And you have had an abundant life.
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B
Yes.
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A
And you are so blessed.
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B
So blessed.
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A
And that's where we have to feed that part of your mind.
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B
Right. Absolutely.
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A
This is helpful.
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B
So helpful. It always is,
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A
Sam.