adhd is now my superpower | heather goodman

Summary

CHEERS! with Avery Woods

Episode: "ADHD is now my superpower | Heather Goodman"
Date: July 13, 2026
Host: Avery Woods | Guest: Heather Goodman (H.V. Goody)

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Overview

In this heartfelt and candid episode, Avery Woods is joined by artist, creator, and mom Heather Goodman to discuss everything from juggling motherhood and creativity, to living with ADHD, to navigating major life transitions—including moving from Hawaii back to the mainland, leaving the Mormon Church, and choosing presence over hustle. Through humor, vulnerability, and wisdom, Heather shares her journey of embracing her neurodivergence as a superpower and creating a life—and motherhood—that feels true to herself.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Motherhood in Progress

• Early Chitchat: Avery and Heather bond over pregnancy woes, managing multiple kids, and the realities of late-pregnancy comfort.
• On prepping for a third baby: Both reflect on how each subsequent child brings less “gear stress” and more confidence in knowing what’s truly essential.
  Notable Quotes:
  • "I don't have a car seat or a bed or anything for this baby, but I'll get it together." (Heather, 53:16)
  • "I feel the same when I see moms pack their hospital bags... I was the same." (Avery, 54:31)

Timestamps

• 01:22–04:43: Early motherhood chat, clothing, pregnancy, breastfeeding choices
• 53:02–55:14: Baby #3, what really matters, advice for first-time moms

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2. Heather’s Personal & Creative Journey

• Influencer Roots: Started dabbling in high school with early fashion blogging and Tumblr; discovered creativity could be a career.
  Quote:
  • “In a weird way, I've, like, been doing it for a long time… Even as a senior in high school.” (Heather, 05:18)
• Social Media as Career: Pivotal moment was getting a brand trip to Jordan, choosing to leave college behind for her creative dream.
  Quote:
  • “My dream job is knocking at the door… And there's money in this and opportunities in this, and it was really fun and exciting.” (Heather, 19:47–20:05)
• Swimwear Line & Arts/Crafts Pivot: Launched a swim line out of necessity (nothing between ultra-modest and ultra-revealing), then transitioned to arts and crafts content—especially jewelry making—as a reconnection to her true self post-motherhood.
  Quote:
  • “For me, it was always just like a fun thing… I've always been very expressive and I was a photographer and liked posting my outfits.” (Heather, 18:17)

Timestamps

• 04:00–07:00: Heather’s origins in social media/influencing
• 18:17–22:34: Social media becomes a career; balancing entrepreneurship and motherhood
• 24:36–26:55: Transition to arts & crafts, finding herself again

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3. Life in Hawaii & Belonging

• Eleven Years in Oahu: Heather describes Hawaii as magical, ideal for that life stage, but shares the complex feelings outsiders can have around belonging and identity long-term.
  Quote:
  • “You just get the sense that you will never, like, truly belong. It's kind of, like, always outside looking in.” (Heather, 12:07)
• Move Back for Family: The need for extended family support as kids grew older prompted the decision to relocate to California.

Timestamps

• 11:07–13:16: Hawaii’s magic and challenges, sense of belonging and cultural respect

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4. Mission Experience and Leaving Mormonism

• Mormon Upbringing: Met husband at ASU, both served missions (Heather in Utah, husband in England), managed two years of long-distance letter writing.
• Mission Reality: Described as depressive, isolating, but formative—particularly for developing empathy. Quote:
  • “It's very isolating... but I feel like maybe I needed that. It made me a really empathetic person.” (Heather, 08:44–09:38)
• Path out of Church: Left the LDS Church with husband after a period of theological research and soul-searching; stresses the sense of freedom and relief in developing her own beliefs. Quote:
  • “My experience was always more like a journey of freedom and exploratory, and it was really exciting even though it was scary to leave everything I’ve ever known.” (Heather, 45:51)
• Family’s Reaction: Difficult but handled with empathy.

Timestamps

• 06:21–10:41: Missions, meeting husband, realities of missionary life
• 43:48–51:32: Leaving Mormonism, family response, impact of worldly perspectives

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5. ADHD as a Superpower

• Adult Diagnosis: Heather received her ADHD diagnosis in adulthood, following years of undiagnosed depression and postpartum struggles.
  Quote:
  • “I went from this mentality of, something’s wrong with me… to realizing, okay, I have a different brain, and I have to just approach things differently and set up different systems and maybe give myself grace.” (Heather, 33:09)
• Impact of Medication: Describes starting Vyvanse as “life changing”; newfound ability to finish tasks and maintain energy throughout the day.
  • “Is this what a normal brain feels like?” (Heather, 34:08)
• Strategies Without Meds: Recommends prioritizing sleep, establishing routines, and especially reducing phone use—citing the power of a “phone brick.”
• Mother-son Parallels: Avery details her own journey supporting her neurodivergent son, the joys of seeing him thrive, and the privilege (and challenge) of pursuing assessment and support.
  • “All you want to do in life is to protect your children… I’m so grateful to have the ability to get him the resources that he deserves.” (Avery, 36:07)
• Amplifying Awareness: Both agree that social media, despite its pitfalls, helps destigmatize adult ADHD and aids in parent education.

Timestamps

• 30:21–42:44: Adult ADHD diagnosis, daily impacts, family journey, advice for other parents/adults

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6. Honest Parenting & Life Advice

• Formula, Breastfeeding, and Judgement: A compassionate conversation about feeding choices, maternal guilt, and the reality of “fed is best.”
  • “The guilt moms had when they couldn’t breastfeed… I promise you, fed is best.” (Avery, 03:09)
• Motherhood is Letting Go: Balancing ambition and presence, recognizing the fleeting nature of childhood, choosing family as the anchor.
  • “Your kids being little is so short… I just really want to be with my kids. Like, that’s my dream.” (Heather, 21:52)

Timestamps

• 02:56–04:39: Feeding babies, maternal expectations
• 21:29–23:26: Stepping back from business for parenting

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7. Pop Culture, Preferences & Lightning Round

• Arts, Snacks, TV Comforts:
  • Favorite snack: Pickle chips from Costco (Heather, 61:24)
  • Comfort show: Parks & Rec, The Office (61:57)
  • Dream vacation: Mallorca or Tahiti (62:49)
  • Would delete: TikTok, because “reels are actually funny now” (64:11)
• Final Thoughts: Heather shares excitement for her baby boy’s name (not River but river-inspired), and both agree on the essential irreverence and humor required for survival as moms and creatives.

Timestamps

• 61:06–65:36: Favorite things, comfort TV, social media preferences, baby names

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Memorable Quotes

• On ADHD Diagnosis:
  "Is this what a normal brain feels like?"
  — Heather Goodman (34:08)

• On Parenting and Guilt:
  "Fed is best. Because not only are you be miserable, but your baby's gonna be so miserable."
  — Avery Woods (03:09)

• On Leaving the Mormon Church:
  "My experience was always more like a journey of freedom and exploratory, and it was really exciting even though it was scary to leave everything I’ve ever known."
  — Heather Goodman (45:51)

• On Motherhood Choices:
  "Your kids being little is so short... I just really want to be with my kids. Like, that’s my dream."
  — Heather Goodman (21:52)

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Notable Moments

• Heather’s admission to “not preparing at all” for baby #3 and her practical advice for new moms about hospital bags and beach trips. (53:04–54:31)
• Candid, vulnerable sharing of ADHD diagnosis journey and the emotional impact of effective treatment. (33:09–35:23)
• Honest discussion about the complexities of being a white mainlander raising kids in Hawaii and respecting local culture. (12:07–13:59)
• Raw account of leaving a lifelong faith, set against the backdrop of missionary work and the perspective-shifting effects of world travel. (45:51–51:03)
• Both women agreeing on the strange comfort of Instagram reels over TikTok, highlighting shifting trends in social content consumption. (64:07–65:02)

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Conclusion

In a conversation full of laughs, wisdom, and hard-won truths, Heather and Avery illuminate the challenges and joys at the intersections of motherhood, neurodivergence, creativity, and self-acceptance. Heather’s journey from internal struggle to empowerment offers hope and relatability for listeners—reminding everyone that the things that make us different can become our greatest gifts.

Find Heather:
Instagram: @hvgoody

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(Ad reads, advertisements, intros, and outros have been omitted for clarity and brevity.)

Transcript

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[Heather]

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[Avery Woods]

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[Heather]

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[Avery Woods]

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[Heather]

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[Narrator/Announcer]

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[Heather]

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[Avery Woods]

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[Heather]

Hello. How are you? Good, how are you?

[Avery Woods]

We were just talking about how cute you are.

[Heather]

Oh my gosh.

[Avery Woods]

You are dressed so cute. When I was pregnant, I fit in nothing and I dressed so, so ugly.

[Heather]

Belly out cuz I don't fit in anything.

[Avery Woods]

As you should though. How many weeks are you?

[Heather]

I'm 33 weeks.

[Avery Woods]

You look amazing.

[Heather]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

And you're busy cuz you have a six and a four year old. Six and a three year old.

[Heather]

She's almost four.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. So you're so busy already.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And another one on the way.

[Heather]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

How are you feeling?

[Heather]

Well, you know, my husband just informed me that I started snoring so feeling really cute, really sexy. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

It's giving CPAP needed.

[Heather]

It's like cool.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Do you sleep on your side? Yeah, as much as you can. It's hard I feel like cuz they say not to sleep on your back when you're pregnant because like I just want to be comfortable.

[Heather]

Oh my gosh. I would give anything to sleep on my back right now.

[Avery Woods]

I know. Do you use a pregnancy pillow?

[Heather]

I did with my first and I feel like I didn't use it that much and then I just never used one again. And now I'm hitting the point where I'm like maybe I should try it.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

But I'm like, is it worth it? I only have like a month left.

[Avery Woods]

That's how I felt. Like towards the end when I was getting uncomfortable, I was like, okay, I only have a month left. Why am I Going to buy all this stuff.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And then not use it.

[Heather]

But I'm like, maybe I should. I don't know.

[Avery Woods]

If you get a better night's rest, it's worth it.

[Heather]

Yeah, I know. Especially like, when I'm sure, you know, like, when it's not your first and you just know what you're headed into. I'm like, what a cruel joke that you can't sleep that good when you're pregnant. Because I'm like, I know. I'm about to have no sleep for months.

[Avery Woods]

I know. I know. Do you breastfeed your babies?

[Heather]

Yeah, I have. I. My second didn't last very long. Cause she was, like, allergic to my breast milk or something. Like, she, like, thrived on formula. Yeah. I did, like, almost a year with my first, so.

[Avery Woods]

That's amazing.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I mean, I always say fed is best, like, with my background. And pick you. I. I would always tell the moms because I would help a lot with that process of getting babies to latch. And the. It always broke my heart how much guilt moms had when they couldn't do that.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And I'm like, I promise you, fed is best. Because not only are you be miserable, but your baby's gonna be so miserable. Your baby's not gonna sleep.

[Heather]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Just feed the baby in any way you can and it's okay.

[Heather]

When I switched to formula with my second, I was like, why didn't I do this sooner?

[Avery Woods]

Like, why did I not?

[Heather]

Like, I think even now, like, I plan on breastfeeding, but I'm like, I'm gonna throw in, like, a formula bottle once a night. Like, why not have my husband do one of the feedings? For sure. Why did I torture myself?

[Avery Woods]

Absolutely. And formula will hold them over a little bit longer too.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So a bottle before bed is life changing.

[Heather]

Yeah. Might try that this time. I feel like that's the win.

[Avery Woods]

If people don't know you and they don't. They aren't familiar with your content. How would you describe yourself?

[Heather]

I feel like in the last year especially, I've really transitioned to, like, artsy craft mom kind of.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Heather]

Which I feel like is more true to who I am in a lot of ways, which is fun.

[Avery Woods]

You're a very artsy, artistic person, but you also, like, give that aura, you know? No, it is like, it's. It's you as a person. I feel like it's very rare to find people like that.

[Heather]

And.

[Avery Woods]

And it's the way you dress, the way you carry yourself, your jewelry. Like, it's it's very cute. And I feel like to have a mom, like, that is so special because you always make everything very magical for them, which is really cool.

[Heather]

Thank you. Well, it's so fun. Cause my girls are so into crafts and stuff, so it's, like, a good excuse to, like, lean into that part of myself.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. When did you first start on social media?

[Heather]

Okay. So it's so funny. I was doing some form of influencing, like, like my senior year in high school.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, really?

[Heather]

So, like, I'm 32, so that's a long time ago. Yeah, yeah. When I was 18, I joined this European, like, fashion blogging website. And you, like, posted your outfits and tagged where you got it from. And I had, like, these random little brand deals. I would get paid, like, 50 bucks or, like 100 bucks, but, like, a senior in high school.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

I was stoked.

[Avery Woods]

You're like, this is like four meals of Taco Bell.

[Heather]

So in a weird way, I've, like, been doing it for a long time. And I, like, had, like, a Tumblr blog and all of that, so I've been doing it for a long time, actually.

[Avery Woods]

Where did you grow up?

[Heather]

I grew up in Arizona. Like, Mesa. Gilbert area.

[Avery Woods]

Wait, where'd you go to high school?

[Heather]

I went to Higley. Okay.

[Avery Woods]

I went to Red Mountain.

[Heather]

Oh, no, wait. I had a ton of cousins who went there.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my gosh. Funny.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Speaking of, you lived in Hawaii for a long time?

[Heather]

Yeah, 11 years. Wow. We just moved in January.

[Avery Woods]

Did you move way. I'm trying to think because I graduated high school 2013. Did you move right out of high school?

[Heather]

No, we were. We moved out in 2015. Okay. So.

[Avery Woods]

And you and your husband. Yeah. So where did you guys meet?

[Heather]

So we met at ASU.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Heather]

Yeah. First semester. Fell in love at 18, which is so crazy to me now. Especially now I have daughters. I'm like, if they came to me, told me that they met the love of their life at 18, and be like, that's not real. That's not allowed. But no, we knew, like, we just, like, fell so in love. And then we actually both grew up Mormon, so we served missions.

[Avery Woods]

You served a mission?

[Heather]

Yes, I did. And you? Utah, of all places.

[Avery Woods]

When you got your calling, were you, like, really?

[Heather]

Oh, I cried. I was like, this is my nightmare,

[Avery Woods]

cuz everyone wants, like, Italy.

[Heather]

Yeah. I was like, oh, send me to Africa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I was, like, really bummed. But it was, like, it was a good experience, like, for my life, for sure. And then we got married after the missions. And then he had applied to byu, Hawaii. So that's what brought us out there to Oahu. And then we just stayed.

[Avery Woods]

Wow.

[Heather]

For a long time.

[Avery Woods]

Did you guys meet before or after your missions?

[Heather]

Before.

[Avery Woods]

So you stayed together while you both served?

[Heather]

We wrote letters for two years.

[Avery Woods]

Where did he serve?

[Heather]

He was in England.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, so he got that message.

[Heather]

Yeah. Cool experience.

[Avery Woods]

Well, good for you guys, though, because that's really hard. People don't understand how isolating serving missions can be.

[Heather]

Oh, yeah. That's why, like, I'm not really part of the church anymore. But if I see missionaries, I will always be nice to them because I'm just like, they're just kids and you

[Avery Woods]

miss your family and you don't have a lot of resources around you. And, like, for two years. Well, females, 18 months.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

For 18 months to two years, you're like, head down, just serving your church.

[Heather]

And I hate to say it, it's like the most depressing thing ever, but.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. So my best friend, Scotty, he born and raised LDs. His dad was a bishop. He served a mission, and he said it was the most depressed he's ever been his entire life.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Because he was like, I had.

[Heather]

Very isolating.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Oh, that's so hard. I. It's. People don't understand, though. It's pretty rare for a female to serve a mission. Males, it's pretty expected, but I feel like a lot of females choose not to.

[Heather]

Well, I was right. I don't know, like, how familiar you are with. I mean, well, now you're on the show, so you're probably a little more familiar.

[Avery Woods]

Well, when I grow up in Mesa. Yeah.

[Heather]

But, like, there was this really big announcement at that time. So my husband got his mission call, and then right after he got his call, there is this really big announcement that girls could go at 19. And so even though there wasn't, like, as much of, like, a religious expectation, there was a lot of social pressure of, like, oh, my gosh, girls can go now to 8 at 19. So, like, why wouldn't you go? And not that I felt really pressured, but it was, like, an exciting thing. And so I do feel like a lot of girls went out at that time. And maybe that's slowed down since then, but, yeah, there was a lot of sister missionaries is what they're called. Yeah. Sent out at that time.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. So what was your experience like serving that mission?

[Heather]

You know, I feel like it's interesting that you say, like, oh, there's a lot more pressure for boys, and there is and sometimes I look back, I'm like, why don't I just go home? Because there's no pressure for me. Like, that's so funny to me that I stayed out, but it is just very hard. It's very isolating. But then sometimes I think, like, maybe I needed that. Like, maybe that was the experience that I needed in my life to, like, be where I'm at. So it's hard to, like, regret that decision, but I would definitely say it was really hard. Um, but I feel like it also made me a really empathetic person because, I don't know, like, people joke about, like, Utah or, like, Utah Mormons and stuff like that. And I think, like, going into these people's homes and interacting with them on a more personal level. Like, I met so many incredible, kind, amazing people on my mission. And so I would say my experience was, like, overall a positive one, even though it was really hard, for sure.

[Avery Woods]

I also feel like, where in Utah did you serve?

[Heather]

Provo.

[Avery Woods]

So I feel like that is. Even though you're like, oh, it's not in some crazy cool country, you do have a lot of support because it's a heavy. A heavy LDS community.

[Heather]

People were nice to us. We always joke, me and my husband, because he was in England. We're like. We always got honked up, but for very different reasons. People in Utah are like, missionaries. Yeah. So people loved us, which was awesome. But, yeah, like, nicest, most wonderful people.

[Avery Woods]

Good.

[Heather]

For sure.

[Avery Woods]

I'm glad. Yeah, I. I'll see missionaries every once in a while in my community. Like, in the parking lot, I'm like, hi. I hope you guys are doing well. Like, it. Just because they do look like little kids. You know, they're so young.

[Heather]

They're babies.

[Avery Woods]

And, like, having a son myself, I'm like, I cannot imagine when he graduates high school, just being like, okay, bye. See you in two years.

[Heather]

That is so real.

[Avery Woods]

But I also feel like it does mature you. It does kind of force you to grow up and learn to live on your own and teaches a lot of responsibility for when you come home, like, to the real world.

[Heather]

Totally. And, like, I had to live with, obviously, other women that I didn't, like, choose. And so to me, I'm like, marriage feels so easy in that way of, like, I. I picked this person, and I really like them. And I had to live with random people for 18 months that you didn't always get along with or had really crazy habits or. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it was good practice for sure. For living with another person.

[Avery Woods]

Definitely. And then you were in Oahu.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I love Oahu.

[Heather]

I know. It's the best.

[Avery Woods]

It's the best. I'm actually going in August for a wedding, and I'm so excited. It's. Yes, I've been to Maui. It was a little too, like, touristy city. And then when, two summers ago, David and I, when we were in Arizona, we were like, it is so hot. We want to just try to escape for the summer. And so we moved to Kauai.

[Heather]

Oh, fun. And we loved it. Yes, we loved it.

[Avery Woods]

It was so rural.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And just, you know, dirt roads, chickens. Like, I feel like it forced my kids to get out in nature. We rented, like, the tiniest 1100 square foot little townhouse, and just, like, we're barefoot every day, and it was magical.

[Heather]

That's fun.

[Avery Woods]

But I also love Oahu. My sister's actually stationed there because she's in the Navy.

[Heather]

I feel like, for long term, Oahu is kind of best of both worlds because you get a little bit of that rural lifestyle, but you're like an hour from Costco.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you were there 11 years. What made you come back?

[Heather]

Probably the biggest factor was, like, family. But I feel like a huge thing that not a lot of people talk about is that I think that if you are not from there or you're not Polynesian, that even though, like, we only had really positive experiences with locals, but as my kids got older and they were, like, in school, you definitely start to feel like, a sense of, like, there's like, a saying there that you're always a guest and it's understandable, like, why, like, historically that's a thing. But I guess there's. You just get the sense that you will never, like, truly belong. And it's kind of, like, always outside looking in a little bit. And, yeah, I, like, loved living on Oahu. It was so perfect for that phase of our life. But now the phase that we're currently in, like, California, has already been just so amazing. Like, I feel like my kids are thriving.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

And being around family has been so fun, too.

[Avery Woods]

For sure. And when you have kids, everything changes in life where you're like, I need help, I need support. I need to be able to call my parents or, you know, go on a date.

[Heather]

Priorities, I think.

[Avery Woods]

Totally.

[Heather]

It's like, I'm not gonna be hiking and free diving and surfing, like, every day. Like, the reality is when you have kids, you're, like, going to, you know, school, drop off and, like, working and. And realizing, like, okay, like, I think there's a place that maybe we could belong for sure. Better.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. It's interesting what you said about, like, the locals in Hawaii, because I do feel that, and I feel like if you spent a long time there, you understand that. But it is very much like a. It's a culture that In a land that they honor so much.

[Heather]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

And I love how sacred it is to them.

[Heather]

It's like, one of the most beautiful cultures in the world. I love it. And I've, like, learned so much, and I feel like, yeah, I wish more people saw that side of it. For sure.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. I loved in Kauai, the turtles that would come to the shore and how protective the lifeguards were of them. But huge. Like, I have photos of Stevie as a toddler next to these turtles, and it's just insane.

[Heather]

I swear they're bigger on Kauai.

[Avery Woods]

Huge.

[Heather]

Because, yeah. I feel like the biggest ones I've ever seen are there. Like, taller than me.

[Avery Woods]

Yes. And you're. You're just out swimming with your kids, and they come right up to you, and obviously, like, you don't want to touch them. For anyone that needs education, like, do not touch them.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

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[Heather]

So. Okay, so I kind of had like that little stint I told you about when I was like, in high school and then Tumblr blog. Like, for me, it was always just like a fun thing. Like, I feel like I've always been very expressive and I was a photographer and I liked posting my outfits. And I would say around the time that we moved after our missions out to Hawaii is when kind of like the mommy blogger era, like, really blew up. Like, amber filler up.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather]

Yes. Like, I feel like that was such a fun era. And at the time I was more strictly a photographer, but I noticed that whenever I posted more my personal life, like, I would post like my wedding photos and my family photos, but if I posted a picture from my personal life, it would, like, blow up so much more on social media. And I started just getting, like, random brands reaching out. And it kind of started more as like a photography thing of like, hey, we're gonna send you swimsuits. Can you take pictures of these swimsuits? And I would just use my friends as models. And. And I think it really became like a leap of faith when. So I actually did enroll for like, half a semester at BYU Hawaii. That's why I say double time dropout, because I did ASU and BYU Hawaii, but didn't finish either. And I had the opportunity to do like a photography brand trip out to Jordan, like tourism, and Jordan's so random. And that was like, I think the turning point for me of realizing, okay, why am I in school in like, this random class and my dream job is knocking at the door. And so I just dropped out and I went on that trip and, like, never looked back. And I was like, okay, and there's money in this and there's opportunities in this, and it was really fun and exciting.

[Avery Woods]

That's so cool. And you. I feel like there's people that are school people and people that are not school people. You're a creative person.

[Heather]

Yeah. I think, like, education can be so good. It's never going to hurt you to get an education. And maybe if I would have not gone on a mission, I would have just finished earlier. But I think that especially in these days with, with there's so many creative careers out there that you can get an education in other ways. For sure.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I always say no one can take my degree away from me.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And, like, I studied nursing and here I am like, this is my job. So I didn't predict my life to go this way, but I know My college education and studying nursing and having that experience shaped me to be who I am. It's kind of like you go on a mission. Like, it forces you to learn to study and, and not procrastinate and, and learn responsibility.

[Heather]

Well, and I'm sure that a lot of people were probably drawn to you because of your background in nursing.

[Avery Woods]

And that's how I started. Yeah, it was like very small micro creator with medical influence. Yeah, that wasn't really a thing back then.

[Heather]

I feel like my favorite people to follow are people with some kind of background. Like, I feel like if someone has only ever been an influencer, like, it kind of gets boring. Like, I like when people have some lore.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. You said that you would take photos of your friends in bathing suits for brands, but you created your own swim line. Yes, yes.

[Heather]

We're kind of paused on that now. Okay. But it was a such a fun, like, dream project and it was really successful. But I just felt like when my daughter entered kindergarten and I got pregnant with my third, there's just this feeling of like, I like, almost don't care about that dream anymore. Like, it's like your kids being little is so short.

[Avery Woods]

I know.

[Heather]

Like, my daughter entering kindergarten, I was just like, wait a second. Like, you were just born and now you're like, off in the world. And I just had like that real, like, heart moment of. Okay. I actually, like, don't really care about this that much anymore. Which is so sad to say, but I just didn't. And I just really wanted to be. I mean, I still work on social media, but instead of juggling the two, it's so much easier to be with my kids and be more present with them. And like, I was missing like Halloween block parties and things like that to go be on a photo shoot. And I was like, I just really want to be with my kids. Like, that's my dream. And maybe I'll pick something up when they're older and they like, have their own friends and they're in school all the time.

[Avery Woods]

I feel like once you have a child enter school, it's a huge wake up call because you're like, I will never get them home. All the time, every day, forever. Like, that's it.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

It's such a wild feeling. And for me, my youngest baby went to. Is going into kindergarten in the fall.

[Heather]

Oh my God.

[Avery Woods]

And so it's like both my kids are gone all day. It's such a weird feeling and it, it makes you so sad, but it's also very bittersweet. Yeah, because they love school, and I have the opportunity to work while they're in school so they don't miss me. Like, they don't know that Mommy's gone because they're busy with their friends. But it is a very strange feeling when you enter that phase of life.

[Heather]

I feel like when you're in the trenches, you dream about the day that they're in school. I know I'm gonna get so much done, have so much time to myself when they're in school. And then I go to school, and you're like, wait a second.

[Avery Woods]

Sobbing.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

No, don't go.

[Heather]

Like you said, very bittersweet going back

[Avery Woods]

to the swim line. Cause I know you're on pause, but what inspired you to want to create your own line?

[Heather]

Yeah, so I, like, I said I was doing a lot of brand photos. I worked with a lot of brands, and I feel like at that time, there's so many good swim brands now. But at that time, this was, like, probably eight years ago. I just felt like there was nothing in between. It was, like, the cheekiest thing you've ever seen. No hate to that, but, you know, I was a little Mormon girl. I, like, couldn't wear that. And then it was, like, so modest that I was like, this is just unflattering on me, at least. And I wanted something kind of in between. I didn't really like what I saw. And then I also just felt like, like, well, I'm taking a million pictures of girls in swimsuits anyway. Like, what if, instead of promoting a swimsuit, I just promoted my own swimsuit? And I felt like I could make more money that way. And it was, like, an artistic outlet. Like, I drew all the prints, and my husband, like, really leaned into his role of, like, supply chain and managing the business finance side of it. So it was a really, really fun project. And I feel very, like, satisfied with how everything went.

[Avery Woods]

That's so cool.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And then what got you into transitioning to more arts and crafts?

[Heather]

Yeah, it's so funny because I didn't ever think that it was something I was gonna do. I was always such an artist growing up, but after having kids and also just so many other hobbies, I feel, like, filled my life in my 20s. It just really fell on the back burner. And a couple years ago, I realized how disconnected I was from that part of myself. And, like, I feel like this is such a metaphor for motherhood. I remember being, like, in our tiny little apartment, and. And we had a TV stand And I remember taking out, like my one drawer I had of, like, art supplies and taking it out and putting, like, my daughter's coloring stuff in. I was like, that is motherhood.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

You know, just really setting aside those things, especially while your kids are young. And as my kids started getting more independent, I was like, I just really miss doing that. And I think, like, being really experienced with social media, I realized, well, if I film it, then that becomes an excuse to do it more. And I don't. You know, normally you wouldn't like, hire a nanny to do a craft.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

But I was like, well, if I hire a sitter like one day a week, then I could use that time to, like, film a craft or an art project. And just really popped off. Like, I think a lot of people really resonated with that. And I get so many dms from moms all the time saying, like, you inspired me to like, like, get back into my hobbies or, like, find myself after having kids. And I don't know. That's been the most rewarding part of it, for sure.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. What's your favorite kind of craft to do?

[Heather]

I've been so into jewelry related things in the last year to the point where I almost have stopped buying jewelry because I look at it, I'm like, I feel like I could make that.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

And I'm not really good at, like, the wire and like, anything with metal. I'm like, not that good at. I'm like, I'm a bead girl.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. Yeah. But you probably will see things. You're like, I could make that, but probably better because I would tweak this or do this different. Yeah. And save a lot of money by doing it yourself.

[Heather]

Well, I don't know. That's the funny thing about getting into crafts. You'd be like, oh, that necklace is like a hundred dollars. I don't know. And then you spend 300 on supplies.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, really?

[Heather]

And then you like, break your back trying to, you know, make a necklace for seven hours. You're like, I probably should have just bought the 100 necklace.

[Avery Woods]

Good lesson to learn.

[Heather]

Yeah. You know, but you know, you get a few necklaces out of 300. Surprise.

[Avery Woods]

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[Heather]

It would have been my daughter's six. So it would have been like five years ago.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, wow. So as an adult. So I've no, I mean, I've never talked about. I mean, I talk about it a little bit on the show, but my son was diagnosed.

[Heather]

Oh, interesting.

[Avery Woods]

Amongst some other things last year. And it was a huge transition for our family. There was a lot that came with it and a lot of education on, you know, having a neurodivergent child.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

That really changed our lives. And I look back to when all of this happened and it felt like our world was kind of falling apart. And now if I could see where he is, it's just the most incredible thing. And I'm so grateful to have the resources that we do in the diagnosis that we had. Yeah. So talk about that experience. Like, what made you want to get tested?

[Heather]

Well, first of all, that's so awesome that you're, like, intervening while he's young, because I just feel like you can set your kids up for so much more success just catching it young, even, like, if you choose not to medicate. Like, I feel like there's still so much you can do.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Heather]

For kids. But, yeah, I actually did not go seeking an ADHD diagnosis at all. I. I feel like I struggled off and on with my mental health, like, pretty much since puberty. Like, I was always one of those people who would get really depressed, like, before my period. And so I knew that I had, like, what I thought was depression probably for a long time. And then after my first daughter was born, she was born March 2020. So you can imagine that was a really gnarly year. And I felt like, oh, I have postpartum depression. The news just keeps getting worse every day.

[Avery Woods]

You're like, I can't Leave my house?

[Heather]

Yeah. I just felt so depressed. And I was like, yeah, I for sure have depression. And after, like, a year, I was like, I should talk to someone. Like, I feel like this is getting to the point where I can't really cope the way that I could before I had kids. Like, you can rot in bed all day if you don't have kids, but as soon as you have kids, you. You have to take care of it. It really is motivation to be like, okay, I have to take care of myself and figure out what to do. So I actually went to a therapist with the idea of, like, getting diagnosed with depression or just, like, doing something about it. And I consider myself kind of like a holistic person. Like, I've always tried to be like, well, I'll fix it with, like, sleep and exercise and supplements. And I feel like I had been doing that for the better part of a decade with really not a lot of success. And. And after talking to a therapist, she was like, have you ever been tested for adhd? And I was like, no. Like, that's not even on my radar. And she was like, yeah, after talking with you for an hour, I really think we should test for that.

[Avery Woods]

Wow.

[Heather]

And so she kind of, like, took me through that whole process, and I walked away with a diagnosis. And, like, so many things just clicked into place for me mentally of, like, oh, like, I think my depression stemmed from not treating my adhd. Or I kind of went from. I went from this mentality of, something's wrong with me. I'm broken. Like, I can't function as good as other people. Like, why are these, like, simple things so hard for me when they. It seems like they're not hard for other people. And I went from that mentality to realizing, okay, I have a different brain, and I have to just approach things differently and set up different systems and maybe give myself grace when, you know, I can accomplish one thing a day instead of, like, the 10 things everyone else is doing. And I actually didn't medicate or do anything for it for a couple years. But after my second, I really just hit a wall, I think, with, like, running two businesses and being busy as a mom, that I was like, okay, I think I'm ready to, like, actually treat my adhd. And that's when I went on meds for the first time. So I cannot describe to you how life changing that was to go on Vyvanse. It was like. Like, I just cried to my husband. I was like, is this what a normal brain feels like? And I remember, like, being so confused by people who would just be like, just wake up, write a to do list, then do your to do list. And I'm like, you don't understand how much I can't do that. Like, it feels like you're asking me to cut off my arm. I just can't do it. Like, no matter. Even though I know it's possible to cut off my arm, I. I can't. And that's how, like, simple things really felt to me. And as soon as I started taking meds, it was like, oh, my gosh. Yeah. Like, I can wake up and write a to do list and finish my to do list and then I have enough energy to go be with my family and hang out with friends and do all this stuff at the end of the day. Whereas before, it's like, if I had a productive morning, it was like a crash, like such a crash in the afternoon. So, yeah, that was extremely life changing for me. And I stopped taking it when I was pregnant. I know some people do still take like a small dose when they're pregnant, but I don't know, I think for me, I just feel a little like, iffy. There's not like a ton of research on it, but, you know, when I get back on Vyvanse, it's game over.

[Avery Woods]

Well, first of all, thank you for sharing because I think it's important for people to know because you associate ADHD with like, young, hyper kids, but people don't understand how it affects adults in so many different ways.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And I think it's important to talk about because it is a very consuming diagnosis because there's so much that goes into it and I've done so much research and education on it for my son and. And I just, I don't know, I. Again, like, I remember the day where we had all these tests done and my husband and I were like, the world is already hard enough. The world is already hard enough in this day and age. And now I feel like everything. I felt like everything was against him and gonna be even harder.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And all you want to do in life is to protect your children, you know, and so I'm so grateful to have the ability to get him the resources that he deserves. For people that might not want to take medication or they don't have that option. Do you have any tips for things that you did to help with your ADHD in your day to day life?

[Heather]

Yeah, it's so hard because I do feel like the things that help are just so much Easier said than done. Like, I feel like my medication enabled me to do a lot of those habits like working out and eating healthy and getting good, good sleep. But I would say if you were to start anywhere, it would be like, get a brick for your phone probably. I think that a lot of people honestly might not even have adhd, but are experiencing ADHD from their phones.

[Avery Woods]

And it's short term content.

[Heather]

Yes. I think that is our brains.

[Avery Woods]

It's, it's the short form content has ruined our brains in society because it's just a quick scroll for like a serotonin boost.

[Heather]

Yeah. So I think that, like, if you even suspect that you have adhd, I think you have to get really serious about your phone use. I think that and like sleep would probably be the biggest things you could do that would improve your mental health. For sure. That's probably true for everyone, but for sure, ADHD people, it's like, yeah, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

My best friend got me a brick for my birthday and it was life changing and it was like the perfect gift because she knows, especially when you work online, you know how it is. Like when you, when social media is your job. Social media doesn't ever turn off. It's not a 9 to 5 where like you clock in and out.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

It is a 24 hour, seven days a week, all consuming job if you let it.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You have to be able to place those boundaries and it's really hard to do that. And a brick forces you to. And I love it.

[Heather]

Well, I always had like a screen time limit, but I still found myself like, oh, I'm waiting in line, I'm at a red light, like whatever kind of thing. Like you just like pop it up out of habit and the brick like, like shuts that off completely. Like it has been very like life changing for me.

[Avery Woods]

Good. What was? How did. I'm just asking for the sake of, you know, what we're experiencing as a family. But how did ADHD affect your sleep?

[Heather]

I don't know. I always thought maybe this was me being creative. And I don't know if this is like medically correct, but I do feel like ADHD people tend to be like, you know, you want that like dopamine fix at night. So staying up late, being on your phone, even just this, I don't know, you're like really dopamine seeking at night. And so I think just being really strict, like almost treating yourself like a toddler and being like, no, bedtime is 10 and I'm gonna wind down, I'm gonna Plug my phone into another room or brick it or whatever. And I'm gonna force myself to do like, analog activities before I go to bed. I already forgot what you were asking.

[Avery Woods]

No, you're like, I, I, I asked because my, that's the hardest thing. One of the hardest things for my son is falling asleep at night.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

It's really, really hard for him to shut his brain off.

[Heather]

I think that's like, when I get the most creative ideas.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. So he almost, it's not like a second wind. It's just like, I can see that he's wired.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You know, and when it's seven, when he's seven years old and it's ten o' clock and he has school the next day, and I know he was up early that morning, I'm like, I know he could fall asleep if he had the ability to.

[Heather]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

But sometimes he just doesn't. So we have, like, our routine. We started giving him like, herbal sleepy time tea before bed with some honey. He likes to make it himself. The other day he told me, he goes, he's so funny and witty. That's the thing is, like, his IQ is so high. He's such an intelligent child.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

It was just, he wasn't able to access certain parts of his brain because of his adhd. That's kind of how the neuropsychologist explained it to us. She was so incredible. But he, we have like a Keurig, and David and I will put like, our coffee pods in it, but he will use it for hot water to like, like porous tea.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And the other day we were sitting on the couch and he goes to porous tea before bed, and he opens it up and he goes, someone forgot to take the coffee pot out. This is not my responsibility.

[Heather]

Your son's seven years old. That's so funny.

[Avery Woods]

You know what, buddy? You're right. That's on YouTube. And I looked at each other. We're like, trouble.

[Heather]

I love that you're even, like, caring about that, though. Because I feel like I grew up fully just thinking like, yeah, I'm rearranging my room at 3:00am Because I'm, that's my personality. And I'm just. Something's wrong with me.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

As now I'm like, oh, that was probably the adhd.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

But I think I struggled with that my whole life. Like, being so tired in the afternoon and then that second wind hits and just like, I can't sleep.

[Avery Woods]

And he also gets very overstimulated. And he now with all of the, you know, therapies and resources that we've been doing. He has a lot of self recognition in that.

[Heather]

That's good.

[Avery Woods]

Where he'll be like, mom, I need some quiet time. And he'll go to his room, close his door, and we have like cameras in there where we can, you know, monitor him. Because I'm like, I don't really like you like going in your room at 7 and closing your door.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And just will like sit and build Legos. Like the focus that he's able to know and, and the recognition of being like, okay, this is a too, too loud of an environment for me. Or like, I don't, I don't like being surrounded with all of this knowing that.

[Heather]

I wish I would have had that as a kid.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And it's interesting because when we were going through this whole process, which really was a long, like, I mean, it was almost like a full year long process of all of this. First of all, I had so much appreciation for having the ability to get him resources because a lot of this is not covered through insurance.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And I'm like, if we were in our, our previous jobs as a cop and a nurse, we wouldn't be able to afford to help our child. And that's the way that the healthcare system is now. And it makes me so sad for families that do want to help their children.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

But with his school, they would always, you know, praise us for, for going above and beyond to helping our child. Because I think a lot of parents might be in denial or don't want to come to terms that something could be not wrong with their child, but

[Heather]

that they have challenges, they're just not educated. Like, I think a lot of people think that ADHD is like a willpower problem or a personality trait without realizing, like, no, it's, it's the same as if you had a broken arm, you would get a cast. Like, it really is like there's just something in your brain and it's not that you have to fix it, it's just you got to figure out those systems and set up those things that help them thrive.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And I do think that there are so many incredible resources out there now because even though there are a lot of negative sides of social media, I do think that there's a positive side when it comes to people being more outspoken about their mental health or diagnosis or experiences in that way. Or they can say, like, oh, this is what helped me.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

If they're not able to go out and, and get those resources Totally.

[Heather]

I've had so many moms reach out, like, and I haven't even shared, I feel like that much about it, but I've had so many moms reach out that be like, I really like resonated with what you shared about this and I like got a diagnosis and this has been life changing and they're like 35 years old.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

It's like you went 35 years just thinking something was wrong with you.

[Avery Woods]

Wow. Well, good for you for using your voice and your platform because I mean, obviously it's totally different, but if I wasn't able to help my son, he would be in your position as an adult and be so confused. And I feel like it's, it's very overwhelming and it's so easy to like, self deprecate and like say, what's wrong with me? Why am I like this?

[Heather]

Yeah. You know, and there's so many studies that show like, there's so many negative outcomes for people who don't treat their adhd. And I'm not even talking about just medication, but just they don't ever. They just think something's wrong with them and so they self medicate or they seek dopamine in really destructive ways. And so I think it's so helpful to know like for sure in your childhood or adolescence.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, definitely. We're going to do a complete 180.

[Heather]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

Because you grew up Mormon, are you still part of the church?

[Heather]

No, I'm not.

[Avery Woods]

No. When was that decision made?

[Heather]

So it happened around the time I was pregnant with my first. And I don't even know if I would say it was a decision as much as like, I feel like it just happened. But I'm really lucky that it happened to me and my husband at the same time. I think like a lot of couples are not so lucky. But we, like I said, we both served missions and I think there was a lot of things that we taught as missionaries. And you know, people would come up to us and say things like, you're church, church believes this or this is in your church history or whatever. And we'd be like, that's not real. Or I don't know. I think that experience of being on a mission really in some ways is what led me out of the church because it taught me to really dive deep. It's kind of ironic the, that like the things you learn as a missionary can sometimes lead you out because it really did teach me to dive deep. Like, I feel like I read, read like the scriptures so much and I really Dove deep into all the different doctrines. And then when I was. I think I must have been about 25 years old, there was these. They're called essays. They were released on, like, the church's website. And it was basically the church kind of admitting to a lot of, like, things that people had accused them of. And they kind of came out and said, oh, well, that is true, but this is why. And it just, like, rocked my world of just, oh, my gosh, like, I spent two years, like, lying to people because now you're saying that this is true and it wasn't. And I feel like that just opened up this whole can of worms. And me and my husband both, he dove a lot deeper than me, I think, and I think he felt a lot more like, anger. I personally felt a lot more like a relief almost. I think that, like, I had spent so many years trying to, like, do these mental gymnastics to, like, fit things in a box. Because, like, for example, like, I was always really supportive of, like, my, like, gay friends or, like, gay marriage, like, things like that. I just always felt like, well, I don't, like, really agree with the church on that. And I feel like when I realized for myself that I didn't think the church was true anymore, I felt such a sense of relief of, like, oh, I don't have to, like, make the things fit in a box anymore. I can just, like, believe what I believe and have, like, my own values and kind of embark on this exciting journey to figure out, like, well, what do I believe? And, yeah, so that was kind of the journey out of that. And I feel like my experience was always more like a journey of freedom and exploratory, and it was like, really excitement, really exciting, even though it was scary to leave everything I've ever known. And for my husband, it was probably a little more angry and sad at first, but then he reached that point eventually.

[Avery Woods]

I love how you described it as, like, your journey to freedom, because I do feel like when you grow up in a church environment like, that you. It's very easy to get tunnel vision and not look outside of your own religion and, like, what other people have experienced. And I've. I've said this to so many people, but, you know, I spent a lot of my childhood in Northern California, San Luis Obispo, that's what I always say, like, is my hometown, because that feels like home to me. But then obviously moved to Mesa pretty young, and then we moved back to California when we first got married. But when I first moved to Mesa, I thought Mormon. When people were saying I'm Mormon or the Mormons, whatever, I thought it was like a club I wasn't a part of. I had never even heard of the religion. And I always tell people, unless you're in that very small bubble, which I would consider Utah, a little bit of Idaho, Arizona, Orange county. People don't know anything about the Mormon Church.

[Heather]

Yeah, they think we're like Amish.

[Avery Woods]

Yes. Like they're, they have no idea. And in, in my job in this industry, I've met so many friends from all over the nation and like, especially my east coast friends are like, like Mormon. Like what, like what is that? They think it's like, you know, polygamy and flds and all these crazy things. And I think it's, we have such a different perspective because that is kind of like all consuming of what the community is and there's not a lot of other culture or religion that. Yeah, we are introduced to living in that type of environment.

[Heather]

Yeah, well. And I always, always feel like when I was in the church, I would listen to other people's views on religion or just whatever spirituality, the afterlife, and it would always be kind of like, oh, that's nice, that's cute that you believe that. But like I have the truth. Like that's like what we're taught. Yeah, it's like, oh, I have the truth. And it's so much like mental freedom to be able to like talk to anyone and be like, you believe in reincarnation? Like, that's so cool. Tell me more. Like, I just feel so much more open minded and like, like why couldn't that be a possibility? You know? Like, it's very exciting and fun because I feel like my, my brain was shut out to anything like that for so long that it's, I don't know, I think sometimes people who maybe not just who are Mormon but in any kind of more like high demand religion think that like, oh, it would be so scary to not know or to not have the answers. But I find the opposite. I think it's very exciting to not have the answers because I don't know, anything could be possible.

[Avery Woods]

That's cool. How did your family take it?

[Heather]

That was really hard. So yeah, they definitely, they probably still struggle with it, but they're very sweet and, and it, I have a lot of empathy for them because I just think like they truly, you know, people who are LDs, like, truly believe, like if you leave then like you won't be in heaven with me. And that's really sad for them. So I have a lot of empathy for that. And as long as people are, like, respectful, then, yeah, it's okay. I have a lot of, like, love for all the people in my life who are still part of the church because at the end of the day, like, they're still my people. Like, Mormons are still my people. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. I think for people that don't know, in the Mormon Church, they believe when you pass away, you're. You live in eternity with your family in heaven forever. So, you know, I. What you said was very interesting about when you served a mission. That was kind of what solidified that decision for you. A lot of my friends that have left the LDS Church, it was after they got home from their mission.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So they did, you know, plan to commit their life to the church, and they served their mission and they got home and they realized that wasn't the path they wanted to take. But the reason I asked about the family is because that was the hardest part for them for sure, was having to tell their family because they were so devastated.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Because if. If I was in that position, I would also be sad if, like, oh, my kids won't be with me, you know, for eternity.

[Heather]

Yeah, totally. It's understandable.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. But I think when you see different parts of the world, that's when you start to question, like, well, is this the truth?

[Heather]

I don't know. Yeah.

[Narrator/Announcer]

And.

[Heather]

And I feel like even just living on Oahu in such a different. I mean, there are a lot of LDS people in the area we lived in, but also there were so many different types of people and just really opens your mind to. To realize, like, oh, I don't, like, believe that all these people are bad or wrong. Like, I don't know, your mind can't, like, hold those things at the same time of, like. I don't know what I'm trying to say, but, yeah, no, I get it.

[Avery Woods]

One crunchy bite of Hershey's Cookies and Cream bar, and I'm taken right back to college.

[Heather]

Move in. Day I was a little overwhelmed by

[Avery Woods]

the newness of it all, but boxes were everywhere. I needed a break from unpacking.

[Heather]

But just as I was able to

[Avery Woods]

take a breath and open my Hershey's Cookies and Cream bar, my new roommate Rachel walked in. I offered her a piece, but she said no. Then after a beat, she said, actually,

[Heather]

those are my favorite ones. We left. The ice was broken, and we've been friends ever since.

[Avery Woods]

Hershey's.

[Heather]

It's your happy place.

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[Avery Woods]

Okay, going back to this baby. So you have two girls at home.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

This is a boy. Are you doing anything differently to prepare for this baby?

[Heather]

I. I feel like I'm doing nothing to prepare for this baby. Third time mom.

[Avery Woods]

I've done it three times.

[Heather]

Yeah, well, yeah, no, I had the realization the other day. I was like, I don't have a car seat or a bed or anything for this baby, but I'll get it together.

[Avery Woods]

You will. You will?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I also think once you have one, you like go so overboard and over prepare and then the baby comes and you're like, I would never use that. That's so impractical. Like I always tell my friends, I'm like, you buying button onesies make me laugh. Don't make me laugh.

[Heather]

You'll never touch it.

[Avery Woods]

You will never use it. Try doing a 2am diaper change and having 50 buttons. You're like, oh my gosh, I can't see anything. I'm like, get the nightgown thing or get the zip swaddles. That's all you need. And, and it's when you have more than one, then, then you know, like, this is what I need. I need like a solid 10 items.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And you're good. Like you know the essentials to survive.

[Heather]

I know. And this is like not, this is not to be mean at all to first time moms. It's like actually very endearing, but sometimes I'll come across a TikTok and it's like, here's everything we brought to the beach for our four month old. And it's like they've got like tent and like all this stuff and I'm just like, like, oh my gosh. I remember feeling that way. Like I gotta bring my entire house to the beach. And now I'm like, this baby's gonna have. We'll be lucky if he has an umbrella.

[Avery Woods]

Yep. He'll be happy in the sand.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I feel the same when I see moms pack their hospital bags. I know, but I was the same.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And mine was packed at like 18 weeks. I'm like, I'm good. Yeah. Just in case, babe, you got six months to go. Like, what is going on?

[Heather]

I've been coming across those videos lately and I'm like, I should probably jump on that. Like as an influencer, that's like my job. I need to like, like post one of those videos. And I'm like, what's in my hospital bag? I'm like a water bottle.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. But I always tell people too. I'm like, they also have it for you. Like there's so many supplies in the hospital that they will make sure you're taking care of. So sometimes it's okay. Especially like sometimes, you know, poor moms, they go into labor early and they're completely unprepared. Cuz they don't expect to not go to 40 weeks.

[Heather]

Totally.

[Avery Woods]

And I'm like, don't worry, the hospital will have everything.

[Heather]

You'll be okay. And also it, like I said, it's very like endearing like when I see first time moms, stuff like that. Because I'm just like, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And also they care so much and they're so excited. Like I was so excited.

[Heather]

Yeah. And you don't have other kids, so really you have a lot of time that's just occupied by like thinking about your pregnancy.

[Avery Woods]

Totally.

[Heather]

And this time around I'm like, I don't even have time to think about this pregnancy. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

How are your labors with your daughters?

[Heather]

They were good. It's so funny. I feel like positive feelings towards my first birth, but my husband like kind of doesn't.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, really?

[Heather]

Well, because she ended up like in the. Not the nicu. They didn't have a NICU at this hospital. It was like a nursery.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Heather]

But I don't know if I was just in la la land, but I was just like, everything's fine, it'll be fine. And he was like freaking panicking because she like couldn't get oxygen and they couldn't get like an IV in her and all this stuff was happening. And I think I was just in bed, like coming off my epidural just, like, that was awesome. And he's, like, in the nursery, like, oh, my gosh, she's gonna die. But no, I. I labored for so long. With my first. Like, it was, like, two days.

[Avery Woods]

That's how I was with Ziggy. 43 hours.

[Heather]

And it was three weeks early. I had gestational diabetes, so she was kind of big.

[Avery Woods]

You had gestational diabetes?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So hard.

[Heather]

And. Yeah. So it was just really long. And I. I actually, like, I wasn't one of those people who's like, I have to go unmedicated, but I was kind of just like, if I can do it, I can do it, I guess. And I, like, literally made it to, like, 9 centimeters, like, fully unmedicated. But at that point, I just, like, started, like, passing out. Like, I hadn't slept, I hadn't eaten anything. And my doctor was like, you know, if you get an epidural, you can take a nap. And I was like, give it to me.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Took a nap, woke up ready to push. Like, it was so fun.

[Avery Woods]

Yep.

[Heather]

I loved birth. I, like, hate being pregnant, but I could give birth, like, a hundred times.

[Avery Woods]

That high is like, nothing I've ever felt before. It's the greatest thing in the world. I was just telling some of the girls on my cast because a couple of them are pregnant, and we were talking about C sections, and I'm, like, a morbid person. Like, I have the clear drape hype, because.

[Heather]

Did you have C section for both?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

So my son, I labored for 43 hours unmedicated. I was like, no, I can do.

[Heather]

You just got the worst of both worlds, actually.

[Avery Woods]

Literally, I was like, I. Not. I don't want to say I wasted two days, but, like, oh, my God, for two days of excruciating pain. Again, no sleep, couldn't eat.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Like, that is an exhaustion like nothing I've ever felt before. And, like, when you feel that contraction starting, like, that wave, you're like, no, no. Here.

[Heather]

Nothing prepares you for that.

[Avery Woods]

No. It's wild, child. But I only dilated to a two 43 hours and two cervical Foley balloons. They said because when you're unmedicated, you're, like, clenching down because you're in so much pain that your cervix can't relax and dilate.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So then, anyways, he ended up going brady cardic, so his heart rate dropped, like, 50, which is really low for a baby. And so it was emergency C section anyways. So when Stevie came along, I was like, elective C section.

[Heather]

Yes. I was like, you like show up at 8am Ready to go.

[Avery Woods]

It was the greatest. I tell people I walked into the or I was breastfeeding her nine minutes later. That's how fast.

[Heather]

Okay, that's kind of crazy, actually.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, it was amazing.

[Heather]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

But I did the clear drape. So after I was already cut and her like their heads were coming out, the anesthesiologist like pulled down the blue drape so I could see them being born.

[Heather]

That's such a nurse thing. I could never.

[Avery Woods]

I know, I barf. I was telling the girls that on my cast and they were like, like, what? You're weird. And I was like, no, I wanted to see. And then like day.

[Heather]

I like want to faint looking at the IV in my own arm.

[Avery Woods]

So see, I'm like, oh, that was one thing. And that's so. It's so hard when you work in like you've worked in medical. I have the juiciest veins. Like it is so easy to get a. A stick in me. But my. Was it my second baby? I can't remember which baby it was, but the. There was a new grad being trained. She missed my IV like five times in my head and I like, was like, I will literally do it myself at this point. Like it's. I just want it in. And I could do it too, but I. I didn't. But anyways, David got a really cool video because of the clear dream.

[Heather]

Oh, that's cool.

[Avery Woods]

So I was like, all right. And then the girls looked at me like I was insane. They're like, I don't want to see that. No.

[Heather]

Yeah. I don't think I could do that personally. But yeah. Yeah. I feel like my second. Even though I didn't have a C section, my second labor was similar to that in the sense that I decided to get induced and it was already 5cm. So I think that helped a little. But it was like, like a night and day difference. Like walked. I have full night sleep, nice breakfast, walked in at 8am, baby's born a few hours later. Just like the doctor was like, I'm going to break your water to get started. I was like, can I get the epidural before that?

[Avery Woods]

You're like, please?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

When they start, like not to be gross but like shoving stuff up there. Like I'm talking like a hand.

[Heather]

It's crazy that happened with my first. Like cuz I labored so long and my water was like leaking but hadn't fully broken. She just like, like, sorry for the graphic image, but just stuck her hands straight at me.

[Avery Woods]

Yep.

[Heather]

The worst pain of my entire life.

[Avery Woods]

That's how I felt with the Foley balloons.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

When they were trying to dilate me.

[Heather]

Oh, my God.

[Avery Woods]

I just remember her like, I was like, how far, like, what? I just remember, like, tears streaming down my face. I was like, this is so painful.

[Heather]

It's so gnarly. And then I feel like we treat birth way too casual because I feel like after I gave birth, I'm walking around looking at all these moms. I'm like, you did this?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Like every mom ever has done something so gnarly.

[Avery Woods]

Isn't that crazy?

[Heather]

Yes. And we just walk around like, yeah. Go to work four weeks later.

[Avery Woods]

Moms deserve so much more, honestly. And, like, why do we need a period? In addition, like, really. We're really suffering. Everyone in this room is like, I'm never having children.

[Heather]

I know. But also, somehow, it's the amazing thing in the world.

[Avery Woods]

And you're doing it for a third time.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So clearly.

[Heather]

Clearly, there's, like. I feel like there's got to be, like, actually a chemical in your brain that makes you forget. There is, because I haven't forgotten. But I also, like you just stop caring.

[Avery Woods]

It's. It's fun.

[Heather]

Yeah. I want another baby.

[Avery Woods]

It's far enough for a move that you're like, I could do it again.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You know?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. We like to end with rapid fire. Are you ready? Okay. What's your favorite thing to do with your kids right now?

[Heather]

Definitely arts and crafts.

[Avery Woods]

Cute. Sweet or salty?

[Heather]

Snack.

[Avery Woods]

Snack.

[Heather]

Normally, I'm a sweet, but this pregnancy, I'm a salty.

[Avery Woods]

What's, like, your go to snack?

[Heather]

I recently discovered, like, these. They're not potato. They're not pickle flavored potato chips. They're pickle chips. They're, like, actually cucumbers at Costco. They're so good.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I've been on a pickle kick lately.

[Heather]

Yeah. You would like these. They're, like, made out of an actual cucumber. I'm like, I want to sprinkle on, like, a burger bowl or something.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So that's. I love a good burger bowl. And I love Costco. I've been having David make pickle martinis. Yeah. For those that drink alcohol.

[Heather]

We'll have to try that in a few months.

[Avery Woods]

Yes, yes. I'll make it for you. Ultimate comfort show.

[Heather]

Probably like Parks and Rec.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my God. Did you see the office?

[Heather]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. We've washed office, like, six times. And I got Stevie and kids like illustration book called Dunder Mifflin Elementary.

[Heather]

Oh, my gosh. Cute.

[Avery Woods]

But I saw on the back of the book I was reading tour last night, I saw on the back they have a Parks and Rec one.

[Heather]

Oh, cute.

[Avery Woods]

So I was just telling her I wanted to buy it. That's so funny.

[Heather]

Do you like spooky things?

[Avery Woods]

Love it.

[Heather]

Love. Okay. Have you watched Widow's Bay? No, it's. The writers of Parks and Rec made a scary show. What? It is like, one of the best shows I've ever watched.

[Avery Woods]

What network?

[Heather]

It's on Apple tv.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my gosh.

[Heather]

And the first season just finished. It is so funny. They do such a good balance of like, you're low key scared and then you're crying, laughing.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my gosh.

[Heather]

So good.

[Avery Woods]

I'm going to tell my husband. We have to watch that amazing beach day or pool day?

[Heather]

Beach day, always.

[Avery Woods]

Iced or hot coffee?

[Heather]

Iced.

[Avery Woods]

Dream vacation spot.

[Heather]

Probably like Mallorca or Tahiti.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, unique choices.

[Heather]

Yeah. I've been to both.

[Avery Woods]

Oh.

[Heather]

And I love them both.

[Avery Woods]

For what reasons? I'm curious.

[Heather]

Like, why did I go? Yeah, why do I like it? Why do you like them? Well, kind of cool. My mom's not. I know it's supposed to be rapid fire. My mom's. My mom's side of the family is from the island of Menorca. It's like next to Mallorca. Yeah. So I just think that, like, Mediterranean, like, the food, it's just. Just like such a fun vibe. The food's a little better on Mallorca, though.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Heather]

And then Tahiti is just like. It's like Hawaii on crack. Like, just really so much wildlife, like whales. And the water's the bluest you've ever seen. So I'm dying to go back.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. I'm gonna book a trip.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Wow. So cool. Usually everyone's like, you know, Greece.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

One app you delete forever. If you could.

[Heather]

Gosh, I don't know.

[Avery Woods]

I would say Tick tock.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I think Tick tock.

[Heather]

Probably Tick tock over Instagram.

[Avery Woods]

I like Instagram because I feel like there's a great balance where you can see what your friends are doing, but you don't have to see like a for you page. Like, you don't have to go on the explore page.

[Heather]

Well, also, I don't know if you feel this, but I feel like tick tock is like if I'm. I used to scroll Tick tock as like. Like me and my husband would scroll together. I'm like, give me Something funny.

[Avery Woods]

I'm gonna laugh. Yes.

[Heather]

That I have not laughed at a Tick Tock in two years.

[Avery Woods]

No. Now.

[Heather]

And honestly, I hate to say it, but reels are funny now.

[Avery Woods]

Yes. Yes. And they were so cringy.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Heather]

Like, I'll scroll with my husband and we are like, tears.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Heather]

Over, like, the reels that we're seeing. I'm like, I don't know if that's just because, like, I mean, maybe that makes me old. I don't know. I have not laughed at a Tick Tock in so long.

[Avery Woods]

I downloaded tick tock in 2019 when I was working in the ICU during the pandemic because it let me separate, like, my brain.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

It gave me something to laugh at. It was quick videos that were. Were so funny. It was almost like Vine.

[Heather]

Yeah, exactly.

[Avery Woods]

And Instagram. When Instagram reels rolled out, it was so cringe. I was like, what is this? Tick Tock has become, like, a gossip platform.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And like, a way to, like, be really mean to people or like, essays.

[Heather]

Like, people are just saying, like, their essays and their thoughts about things, which, like, sometimes I can get into. But I'm like, yeah, laugh.

[Avery Woods]

I totally agree. But reels have come a long way.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Because sometimes, like, I don't scroll on Tick Tock, but. But if I'm like, I want to do, like, a funny video or whatever, I'll look on reals.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Because I feel like there's such funny things on there.

[Heather]

I will literally scroll with my husband as entertainment on reals. Because we will just come across the funniest videos.

[Avery Woods]

I'm glad we're on the same page.

[Heather]

Never seen each other, so probably delete Tik Tok.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. Same.

[Heather]

I'm like, then I wouldn't, like, that's one less job I have to do.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, I know. I know. It's also hard to keep up. Like, all these young kids. Well, you are amazing. I'm so grateful that you were here. I wish you luck. Luck in your birth. It's coming so soon. Do you have a name picked out?

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You don't have to tell me.

[Heather]

I can tell you.

[Avery Woods]

Tell me.

[Heather]

We like the name. I love that. Well, I loved the name River. I know four little boys named river. And that's fine. I don't need to be, like, the most unique person ever. But I was like, I know a lot of rivers. And actually a follower commented on, like, a video I made about baby names, and I was like, I like that.

[Avery Woods]

It's very, like, mountain nature. But I think that's like, very.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Personality.

[Heather]

It sounds like river without being River. Cute. Oh, I'm happy for you.

[Avery Woods]

Well, thank you for being here. Where can everyone find you?

[Heather]

H.V. goody. It's a name I picked out 12 years ago.

[Avery Woods]

So cute. Well, it's so nice to finally meet

[Heather]

you and sit down and I wish

[Avery Woods]

you luck on this.

[Heather]

Thank you. You have to let me know if you're down in San Diego County. Anytime.

[Avery Woods]

Always. One crunchy bite of Hershey's cookies and cream bar and I'm taken right back to college. Move in.

[Heather]

Day I was a little overwhelmed by

[Avery Woods]

the newness of it all.

[Heather]

Boxes were everywhere.

[Avery Woods]

I needed a break from unpacking.

[Heather]

But just as I was able to

[Avery Woods]

take a breath and open my Hershey's cookies and cream bar, my new roommate, Rachel walked in. I offered her a piece, but she said no. Then after a beat, she said, actually,

[Heather]

those are my favorite ones. We left. The ice was broken, and we've been friends ever since.

[Avery Woods]

Hershey's.

[Heather]

It's your happy place.

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