EP 58 | it’s giving mommy

Summary

CHEERS! with Avery Woods – Episode 58: "it’s giving mommy" Summary

Release Date: January 6, 2025
Host: Avery Woods
Guest: Allison Kush

In Episode 58 of CHEERS! with Avery Woods, host Avery Woods welcomes her internet best friend, Allison Kush, marking their first real-life meeting. The episode delves deep into Allison's first year of motherhood, exploring the challenges, triumphs, and the intricate balance between personal life and social media presence.

1. Introduction and Meeting Alison Kush

The episode kicks off with Avery expressing her excitement about meeting Allison in person after years of online interaction.

[00:10] B: "I cannot believe we haven't met until this point."

The hosts reflect on their online friendship and mutual interests, setting the stage for a heartfelt conversation about motherhood and personal growth.

2. Embracing Motherhood

Allison shares her journey into motherhood, highlighting the whirlwind of changes she experienced in the past year.

[00:25] A: "So you're a year into being a mom."

[00:26] B: "It's been a crazy year."

Allison recounts the multitude of life changes, including her husband's job loss, their move to Texas, and the ongoing house renovations, which compounded the challenges of welcoming their first child.

[06:10] B: "We're moving to Texas. All these things, and I'm like, holy shit. I, like, can't keep up."

Despite the chaos, Allison expresses immense love for her daughter, describing her as a "bubbly, happy little girl" and a "mini me," emphasizing the joy motherhood has brought into her life.

[03:46] A: "She's so fun."

3. Health Struggles and Postpartum Depression

A significant portion of the discussion centers on Allison's battle with postpartum depression (PPD) and health issues postpartum.

[04:14] A: "I love how honest you were about your journey with postpartum depression and kind of getting your pink back."

Allison recounts her hospitalization two weeks after giving birth due to diverticulitis, a condition causing severe intestinal inflammation, which led to a traumatic experience of leaving her newborn at the hospital.

[04:32] B: "I didn't for 11. It came out white... I felt like there was a knife in my stomach."

She candidly discusses her struggle with PPD, the impact of lacking a support system, and the emotional toll it took on her sense of self.

[06:43] A: "It's also when you feel like that, because I felt like that a lot with Ziggy."

4. Relocation and House Renovations

The couple's move to Texas and the extensive remodeling of their new home play a crucial role in their narrative.

[31:48] B: "Originally, we were just going to do the living room and then the kitchen... so we just did everything."

Allison expresses excitement about finally living in their renovated house year-round, highlighting the benefits of an open-concept design suitable for their growing family.

[32:32] B: "It's everything that I want a house."

5. Navigating Social Media and Public Perception

Both hosts delve into the complexities of managing a social media presence while balancing personal life, especially motherhood.

Dealing with Hate and Criticism

Allison shares her experiences with receiving negative comments about her lifestyle and choices, particularly regarding her independent income and lifestyle portrayed on social media.

[22:22] B: "I don't want to see people live the same lifestyle as me on social media."

Avery adds her perspective on facing criticism for showcasing her family's life, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and the challenges of maintaining a genuine online persona.

[41:02] A: "I have a healthy relationship with people you choose to follow on social media."

Protecting Privacy of Children

The conversation shifts to the delicate balance of sharing moments of their children on social platforms while striving to protect their privacy.

[58:10] B: "It's not your child."

Allison discusses the difficulties of keeping her daughter's identity private amidst growing public interest and unsolicited attention.

[61:16] A: "This is me. I'm like, yeah, that Block my number."

6. Balancing Family and Career

The hosts explore the struggle of juggling professional responsibilities with family life, highlighting the importance of support systems and personal well-being.

[35:24] B: "I have to say the word now, dude."

Allison reflects on her journey from multiple side hustles to finding a balance that allows her to spend quality time with her daughter while managing her podcast and other ventures.

[34:22] B: "Finding what makes me happy. So it's like an interesting journey."

Avery echoes these sentiments, sharing her own challenges as a nurse transitioning to a social media influencer and the pressures of maintaining high content output.

[35:09] A: "I have learned so much balance and, like, showing so much less of my life."

7. Personal Growth and Relationships

The dynamic between Allison and her husband, Isaac, is highlighted as a pillar of support through their tumultuous times, including Isaac's NFL career and subsequent job loss.

[14:09] A: "He, like, thrives being a dad."

Their partnership exemplifies mutual support and the ability to navigate life's uncertainties together.

[53:30] B: "We're a team. It's just a different dynamic."

8. Future Plans and Reflections

Looking ahead, Allison contemplates expanding her family and the lessons learned from her first year of motherhood.

[69:03] B: "I'm missing a belly... I want my kids to be close in age."

Both hosts express optimism about their future, emphasizing personal growth, family stability, and the continuous pursuit of happiness amidst life's challenges.

[71:32] A: "I do my nose like my makeup and I'm like, what?"

9. Closing Thoughts

The episode concludes with heartfelt acknowledgments of each other's journeys, the importance of community support, and the continuous effort to balance personal life with professional aspirations.

[71:41] B: "Thank you for being on Cheers."

[71:49] A: "Cheers, guys."

Key Takeaways

• Motherhood's Dual Nature: Allison's first year underscores the profound joys and significant challenges of becoming a mother, especially amidst health struggles and major life changes.

• Mental Health Awareness: Open discussions about postpartum depression highlight the importance of recognizing and addressing mental health issues in new mothers.

• Social Media's Double-Edged Sword: While providing community and support, social media also brings unwanted criticism and challenges in maintaining privacy, especially concerning children.

• Balancing Act: Successfully managing family life and professional responsibilities requires strong support systems, personal resilience, and the ability to set boundaries.

• Personal Growth: Both Avery and Allison emphasize the importance of evolving as individuals and supporting each other through life's unpredictable journey.

This episode offers a raw and honest portrayal of the multifaceted experience of motherhood, the pressures of public life, and the enduring strength found in friendship and familial bonds.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to the Cheers podcast. I am your host, Avery Woods. And today. Well, today we're actually with my Internet best friend that I've never met in real life, Ms. Allison Kush.

[B]

I cannot believe we haven't met until this point.

[A]

I was telling her, I said, listen, when you come from pediatric nursing, I see a lot of kids, but she is a beautiful girl. We have so many things to talk about, but first of all, obviously, motherhood, because she just turned a year.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So you're a year into being a mom.

[B]

It's been a crazy year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It all. I also can't remember not being a mom. I just think a lot of change happened right before I gave birth and then the postpartum.

[A]

And you became a mom.

[B]

Became a mom. My husband lost his job. We're moving to Texas. All these things, and I'm like, holy. I, like, can't keep up.

[A]

You obviously are remodeling your house, which you've been talking about.

[B]

Holy. Oh, my God. The way I knew I was ready to have kids was Isaac and I would be grocery shopping or out to dinner, and we would just be like, oh, my God, imagine this. But we're, like, with a baby or imagine this with a kid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now that we have her, I just love spending time with her, and I love having a little mini me. And she's just the, like, most bubbly, happy little girl.

[A]

She's so fun. Hi. Welcome to Cheers. I'm your host, Avery Woods. Hi, guys. Welcome back to the Cheers podcast. I am your host, Avery Woods. And today. Well, today we're actually with my Internet best friend that I've never met in real life, Ms. Allison Kush.

[B]

I cannot believe we haven't met until this point.

[A]

No, it's crazy. Even Isaac was like, I feel like we know each other, but we don't.

[B]

When I was talking, I was like, oh, it's good to see. Wait.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To meet you.

[A]

I know. It's because we've been mutuals for so long, and I feel like I'm always DMing you guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Talking about motherhood or social media or whatever the case may be, but it's the first time I get to finally see you.

[B]

I know. And I'm so excited to be on your podcast.

[A]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

I'm a loyal listener, so thank you. I can't listen to this one, though. That's.

[A]

Yeah. Absolutely. No, I. I'm not gonna lie. I've never listened to an entire podcast episode that I've ever put out, because I don't want to listen to my own voice here.

[B]

I. My first season of my podcast, I edited all myself.

[A]

You did?

[B]

See, it's a long story where I can't talk about it off camera, but I edit it myself. And it was horrible because it's like, oh, I want to go back and resay this. Oh, I want to redo. Yeah, no.

[A]

Or when I'm. I say or. Or repeat the same thing over and over again.

[B]

I say, like, a lot. I'm like, like.

[A]

So, like, if you guys are gonna give us hate for that, just leave now, please.

[B]

Take a shot every time.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It'll make you like us more.

[A]

So Scotty was taking a nap when we first got here, and then she came down in my sweatset. And I love her so much.

[B]

I was laying out her outfit and I was like, wait, no, I have to put her in a sweatset. She looks so cute, but it's also for a 2 year old. And she's. She just turned a year and she fits.

[A]

You know what she. I was telling her, I said, listen, when you come from pediatric nursing, I see a lot of kids, but she is a beautiful girl.

[B]

I obviously am biased.

[A]

Yeah, of course. You're a mom.

[B]

But I'm like, she just like her eyes, her face. I mean, she's gorgeous. She's so pretty.

[A]

And her personality, she's so funny.

[B]

Dude, it's crazy. Her personality has, like, really developed over the past two months.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she's just so fun. I look at her and I laugh all day. I'm like, she. She goes.

[A]

When she was like. And threw her head back. Oh, that's it for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She is funny. Just like her mom.

[A]

She's chowing down her snacks out there, trying to shake me. I said, oh, she's a girl's girl.

[B]

Yeah, girls, girls, girl threw and through. I'm definitely raising a girl's girl.

[A]

Okay, so talk to me. We have so many things to talk about, but first of all, obviously, motherhood, because she just turned a year.

[B]

Ye.

[A]

So you're a year into being a mom.

[B]

A year into being a mom. It's been a crazy year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It all. I also can't remember not being a mom, but at the same time, I'm like, who am I?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But also proud of myself for, like, the past year of everything that's happened. And, yeah, motherhood's crazy.

[A]

Well, and you. I love how honest you were about your journey with postpartum depression and kind of getting your pink back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was that something that you expected? Like, when did it come on? When were you. Like, I don't feel okay.

[B]

Pretty early because I got hospitalized two weeks after I gave birth.

[A]

Okay, what was that for?

[B]

I didn't for 10 days.

[A]

Wait, I didn't for 11. It came out white. Like, I'm talking stark white.

[B]

Oh, no, mine just didn't come out. And so your nurse. You might know what this is.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

My mom has. It's called diverticulitis, so it's just like a inflammatory, like your intestines. Well, me not going to the bathroom for that long gave me that. And so then you have to go on all these hardcore antibiotics. I didn't know what it was. I literally felt like there was a knife in my stomach. And after having a C section, I was like, oh, this could be bad. Go to the hospital. I had a fever. They were like, you might be a sepsis. And dying. Had to leave my newborn at two weeks. So it was like. I feel like that kind of was, like, traumatizing. And then we moved postpartum, so there was a lot.

[A]

I just also, in general, having a C section. And any moms that have C. Has. Have had a C section. Watching this know I couldn't sit up straight, like, for probably a month. Like, you're.

[B]

You're, like, leaning back. Yeah.

[A]

Because you literally just got major surgery. I think it's nine layers of your abdomen that get cut open in order to give birth. Or seven. One of those. But I remember not even be able to bear down to try to poop because I felt like my incisions were going to explode. So being in that much pain on top of recovering from the C section is crazy.

[B]

And with, like, me not drinking enough water, breastfeeding, and then, like, not sleeping, not sleep. Like, all of these things, it made sense. And then my doctor was like, why didn't you take your Colace? Like, I literally gave you one instruction. Take your Colace. So now my biggest postpartum advice is, like, do that. But the. I think it just started to. I don't. I just think a lot of change happened right before I gave birth. And then the postpartum.

[A]

And you became a mom.

[B]

Became a mom. Like, there was a lot. I don't live near family, so I was like, I don't have support. I'm living in a house that had no heat up until two days before I gave birth because we were renovating our house. My husband lost his job. We're moving to Texas. All these things. And I'm like, holy shit. I, like, can't keep up. And I remember sitting this day so vividly. Isaac was like, okay, I'm gonna go go for a walk. Why don't you take a shower? Just, like, chill. And I just sat on the chair and I was like, I don't feel anything. I was like, I feel nothing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I went to my hairstylist, like, the following week, and she was like, dude, you need to get medicated. She was like, it was the best thing I ever did. And so I started that, but it never really helped.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

It. Which is. I don't know if I had the wrong dosage or maybe I was just going through a lot, but it was hard. And then I moved to a place that I hated, so just not great.

[A]

It's also when you feel like that, because I felt like that a lot with Ziggy. Stevie was so much easier for me. And I think it was maybe because a, we are more established, which you guys have obviously gone through a lot of change. But, like, when the time comes that you do have more kids, I'm sure you guys will be more.

[B]

I'm like, the next postpartum is going to be a breeze.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So I was really worried with Stevie because I had experienced that with Ziggy, but we were in such a different phase of life. And also I knew what to expect as a mom. Yeah. That it was such a breeze for me. But with Ziggy, I remember feeling so guilty because I was holding my baby, breastfeeding, and I was like, this is everything I've ever dreamed of. Like, all I want to do is be a mom, and I love it more than anything, but I feel nothing. And all I do is cry. I literally just remember being in the recliner. It literally makes me tear up thinking about. I remember being in, like, my little homegoods, like, we couldn't afford anything. David, I go back to work.

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[A]

Postpartum so my mom moved in for like three weeks with me. Cuz I was like, I need someone to help. And I was a new mom. I didn't like even being a nurse. It's different when you're like, breastfeeding yourself and you're up all night. Like, I can give advice all I want, but when it's you, it's so different. So I remember when the Ziggy had like the worst witching error. And I remember sitting in my recliner and watching the sun go down and hysterical every night because I was like, this is about to be the worst night. And I just remember being like, I'm so sad because I just want to be happy and you just don't have a choice.

[B]

And you're like the. These newborn days everybody talks about and you're like, I want to be happy. Yeah.

[A]

What bliss? What bliss are you talking about?

[B]

I feel like I had like a stint of newborn bliss, but it was like the first two weeks where I was just laying in bed, I was waiting on me hand. Yeah. And then, like, literally just. No, literally. And then I. Then it hit me really hard. I'm like, oh, never mind. Yeah, but yeah, it's. It's so interesting because so many women go through it that when I started going through, I was like, am I a bad mom?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But I also. I didn't grow up thinking I was going to be a mom.

[A]

Really.

[B]

I. You hear these women who are like, oh, I just want to be a mom. Like, that's my purpose in life. I never felt that way. So I was really anxious about having kids. I knew I wanted kids, but I was like, I just like, I like going after, like, goals and dreams and all these things. And I was like, yeah, but like, am I gonna be a bad mom? Because I like doing those things. Like, I like being independent. Then when I had her, I was like, okay, this is like, I'm fine. I'm chilling.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then the postpartum stuff, everyone's like, oh, you not liking being a mom? And I'm like, no, it's literally not that at all. It has nothing to do with my love I have for my daughter. And I think that's where I also felt like I struggled with. Because I was like, I'm unhappy right now, but somehow I. This is like the best moment of my life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it was really confusing.

[A]

Well, in the. The postpartum waves are so wild because I remember you can just be so happy. One moment, everything's going great, and then all of a sudden it's like, I remember to be like, why are you crying? Like, I don't know. I literally don't know why I'm crying. If I knew, do you think I would, like, do something to stop it? Like, it just comes.

[B]

Yeah. It's the weirdest thing. And I tried to, like, prepare Isaac, because you hear of all these men going through postpartum and not knowing what to do, or, like, I don't know what size diaper my child's in.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, yeah. Like, how do you not know?

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, okay. So I tried to prepare Isaac that, like, hey, I'm about to go through a lot of hormone changes. I don't know why. I'm, like, had a lot of time on my hands, obviously, leading up. And so I was trying to prepare him, but I feel like you just. You still don't know as a man. Like, there's just no way to, like, yeah. Hey.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that was also interesting. And so I just felt, like, so alone physically, mentally, emotionally, all these things. But now I feel like I have, like, a friend group who I can, like, talk to. And all the those things matter.

[A]

Absolutely. If you don't have community. And that was. We struggle with that a lot when we lived in San Diego, because we obviously went out there, like, I told you to take care of David's grandfather. And then once he passed, you know, we got pregnant with Ziggy, and we were like, we don't have anyone here anymore. I had no friends. I had no family. I was a new mom. I didn't have a lot. Like, my best friend Ashley. Our kids are 20 days apart. So I would text her, but she was in Arizona. And I just remember, like, going to the park one day and seeing moms, like, in a group, like, pushing their stroller. I was like, how do I, like, get a part of that? And David, like, looked it up, and they, like, weren't accepting new moms or whatever it was. And I was like, cool. I'm an outcast. I have no one.

[B]

I'll just go to the park alone, then.

[A]

But a separate community is so important, especially with women that are moms and understand what it's like. Because men, they can be great husbands and helpful like ours are, but they don't. They can't empathize you.

[B]

You want, like, mom friends?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I also think that maybe I was struggling even because, like, Isaac lost his job. And so we've always been a part of a community. With football. Yes. So whether we're, like, we're always Moving around. Which is why it's really hard to have a friend group here in California, where we live half the year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I've always had, like, a community of women that are, like, in the same position I am. But then when my husband lost his job, I'm like, okay, so I don't belong to this community. I don't belong to that community. I don't have any friends. What the.

[A]

Did he lose his job before. After Scotty was born.

[B]

Before how?

[A]

Like, right. I was gonna say, I remember you being super pregnant and that whole thing coming out. And I was like, oh, yeah.

[B]

That was really unenjoyable. In hindsight, I'm very grateful. Because now, knowing everything, I went through postpartum. Like, you can't get the few weeks back postpartum, and Isaac would have been gone. He would have been on the road, like, yeah. I would have had to plan my C section for his one off day. He would have been back at the facility the next day. He would have been in Kansas City literally that weekend. So it's like, all these things. I wasn't thinking about getting, like, a postpartum anything. I was just planning on doing it alone. I would have been. I know so many women. I've actually gotten hate about that. I know so many women go through it alone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it doesn't mean it's okay.

[A]

I went through the majority of it alone with Ziggy as a newborn, besides, on David's off days. And I completely understand where you're coming from with that. Like, I experienced that. And if you have that option, it. It was a blessing in disguise because I. And I remember you talking about that, how you were like, yeah, this sucks. It's stressful. More change. Like, you don't want to bring a child into this world when someone just loses their income, you know, like, that's so stressful, no matter what position you're in. But then he was home.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he, like, thrives being a dad. I love that.

[B]

I would have taken, like, now I'm grateful he lost his job. Never say. I never thought I would say that, but I'm so grateful. But, like, all the change happened before. Like, I didn't. I had a doctor here in California, and then when he signed with the Raiders, I had to get a doctor there. And then I had to be okay with the idea of bringing home a baby to a place that wasn't my home. And, like, being okay with that. And then I had to quickly. There was so much change that I'm like, okay, at least I had my husband.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, at least he was there for the birth.

[A]

Damn. All right, so going back to. I really want to talk about my story, because I think you're gonna die when you hear it.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

So with Ziggy, I remember I could not poop, but then I think I drank cola, sort of. Scott's laughing. She's like, why the you talking about this? Listen, Mom's relay, okay? And whatever I was able to. With Stevie, I don't know what the issue was. And I'm a nurse, and I wasn't taking my soul softener. I was being an idiot. But I remember I could not poop for so long. And I'll never forget, I went and sat out in the back patio with my mom, and I could only sit on one ass cheek.

[B]

I thought. I thought she was gonna say that.

[A]

You know, there's no.

[B]

I literally couldn't, like, sitting outside because.

[A]

I had a rock in my. And she was like, why are you sitting like that? And I was like, no reason. She's like, it's because you're constipated, huh? I was like, yeah. She goes, hold on. Makes me this concoction with probably, like, four times the dose of cold. I don't even know.

[B]

And.

[A]

Oh, I think it was Miralax. And I literally just chug it, no joke. Like, 10 minutes later. Oh, yeah. I remember looking the toilet and I said, that was so old. It was white. I was like shit out cement. And I still haven't been able to get rid of my hemorrhoids. It's the worst. I'm like, I probably need removal surgery, but I refuse it. So painful.

[B]

Motherhood is such a.

[A]

It's humbling my kids. I'm going to show this to my kids. And they're older. I'm like, do you see what you did to me? You wrecked me. Like, literally my asshole, my C section shelf, my metabolism. Like, what did you do to me?

[B]

Thank you. Saggy tits will not anymore.

[A]

Oh, I know, right? I was just showing her my lift scar because I was like, yeah. As soon as I was a breastfeed, I lifted those right up.

[B]

I knew the girls tightened. I'm like, I miss you guys.

[A]

Okay, so with Ziggy, that was me. I feel like I lost all my volume. And then with Stevie, after they, like, grew again and breastfed again, they were just like, long, saggy tube socks.

[B]

Okay? So I have that to look forward to.

[A]

Yeah. You know what? You know what we do have? We do have plastic surgeons and they really will nip and tuck you.

[B]

Right? Some people are like, oh, like, I'm not. Plastic surgery isn't for me. It's for me. It's. I've had four nose jobs.

[A]

Okay. I want to talk to you about.

[B]

A lot of people.

[A]

What? Okay. She said you sent me a voice memo because you're like, dude.

[B]

I was like, be careful.

[A]

You. You. I had a lot of people say that, but I. I'm grateful because a lot of people I know in my life that have gotten their noses redone went to like a general plastic surgeon and shout out to Dr. Khan, who did my boobs. Because I texted her and I was like, hey, I think I'm ready to like, pull the trigger on my nose job. I've wanted it since I was 15. And she was like, so I don't touch noses. Which I was like, thank you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because a general plastic surgeon is trained, like head to toe, very. I don't know, generally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like they.

[B]

If you can, they cover a lot.

[A]

Yeah, they can. But like, you have your niche, right? Her niche is like boobs, tummy tuck, that kind of thing. But the face is so complicated that the surgeon I went to was the one I was telling you that did a four year residency just on rhinos. So he does two surgeries, he does facelifts and rhin nose, nothing else. And so she gave me his info and I was like, okay, but you were girls, Girls. You're like, be careful. Because I got multiple. And I had no idea. I didn't even know you had a nose job.

[B]

Not a lot of people know because it was my last nose job was back in like 2019.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So long story short, I got in a car accident, but also my sister kicked me in the face. Oh, it's okay. I forgave her. There was alcohol involved. I'm like, she's gonna hate that.

[A]

This is the one I partied with in Bora Bora.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love her. She's iconic. I was holding up the signs because you guys weren't there. Oh, that was such a bummer.

[B]

So then I with those two things, my nose was like all sorts of up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Went to an ent and he was like, it's a simple fix.

[A]

Oh, no. Oh, no.

[B]

So then I went to the ent, he up my nose and then went back to him. Cuz this is all before I'm 18. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm like, there was alcohol involved. Everyone's like, what Yeah. I was like, I was a bad girl. And then when I went to college, I was like, okay, I'm really insecure about my nose. Went to a plastic surgeon. It was so fud up that it was like an eight hour surgery. And I was like, we might have to do it again.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah, eight hours. Eight hours for my nose.

[A]

That was 45 minutes.

[B]

Yeah. Yep. So then I went to him again. And it's just some people are like, oh, you look beautiful. I don't care. I don't. I don't care. I know, like, what I would change. There's, like, cartilage falling off, which makes me not be able to breathe. And I'm like, I just want to, like, do this for me. It was the one thing I wanted to do before I got pregnant. My surgery date was like, two weeks after I found I was pregnant.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. Okay, well, you. I'm. I'm gonna tell you that you're gorgeous and I don't see anything wrong. But, like, you want to change just internally or do you want to change the way it looks physically?

[B]

Like, a little bit physically. But I. I've gotten other consultations. They're like, oh, I want to take this. I want to take this. No, like, I want it to be very minimal. Just like a subtle change there. It's like I have a. It's called the collapse side.

[A]

Oh, but that's what. That's what Deb, our family friend that we're staying with in Calabasas, she has her right nostrils collapsed. She's had three nose jobs.

[B]

It's.

[A]

So she's getting hers fixed, I think in the next, like, couple months. She's a consultant.

[B]

It's. And now it's been so many years since my last one that, like, I know I'm not making an emotional decision. Like, when I got my cast off the last time, I was like, I need another one. I've waited. I'm an adult. I was like, okay, now is the time. I've done research. I found somebody who specializes in revision rhinoplasties.

[A]

Smart.

[B]

So I'm gonna get a consultation. I'll get a few more. It's not going to be, like, in the next. It probably won't be for a year. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. When you got yours done, did they give you, like, the picture of what you'd look like?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, so I got that. I got to, like, design my nose.

[B]

That's.

[A]

It was sick. Crazy. So he, like, took before and after photos and, like, these super High quality cameras. And the before photos he put on this big screen and it was like my original front face and then my side profile. And he had this like editing software. It is literally. I could show you the picture. It is copy and paste my nose. Oh, it's identical. It's crazy because I was like, I just don't like that. You can see my bump from the front. I don't like it from the side. I want my cartilage tore in a little bit of a like lifted button nose. Yeah. Identical.

[B]

So I feel like technology has gone so far in the best way.

[A]

Like, so make sure you get something like that so you can kind of see like what to expect.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

But yeah, I got my cast off. I was like, what the.

[B]

My nose.

[A]

Cuz it was, it was literally giving Whoville. He was like, you're going to hate it. I promise you're going to hate it.

[B]

But okay, so nose job recovery is so wild.

[A]

Oh, it was weird.

[B]

It's like it was the craziest thing. And then you're looking in the mirror like, is that me?

[A]

I know. I still get like that. I do my nose like my makeup and I'm like, what? But it's crazy. It's only one month. I can only imagine in a year. Your nose looks incredible, which is so exciting to me.

[B]

Yeah. My face was really swollen.

[A]

Yeah. Well, he said he didn't have to break any bones.

[B]

Okay. Then that definitely.

[A]

So he was like, that's why your bruising was very minimal. And that's why I tell people, they're like, oh, you make me want to do it. Because your recovery is so chill. And I'm like, like, well, hold on. We could have different situations.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because he just shaved my bump. He didn't have to break anything, so I didn't have any damage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was solely cosmetic.

[B]

I'm 50 shades of up over here, so I'm literally gonna.

[A]

No, no, no. It'll be so worth it.

[B]

It will. I. And I, I feel like I've. I haven't even talked about it on social media because I know everyone's gonna give their opinion. Everyone's like, no, you don't need it. You know, you. I'm like, it's.

[A]

It's not your face.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Yeah. I just don't. I just don't understand when people find the need. Like. So I. When I was super sick and I showed my Cartier watch that I just got absolutely annihilated for, which can I.

[B]

Just say, I also, I saw A video. And I literally was like, what the. Somebody.

[A]

Okay, I, I, oh, my God, tell me.

[B]

And it's. I just feel like in 2025, I'm like, very. I remove myself from, like, a lot, like, having an opinion if it's controversial. And I'm like, why?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The. I don't care.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I know I saw a video. Somebody was like, this is so out of touch. I'm like, how is a gift out of touch?

[A]

Yeah. Do you know what's really funny is when I bought my first ever Louis Vuitton bag and I did a full unboxing, everyone was like, I'm so proud and happy for you. Because I was working as a nurse and social media. So the second I left nursing and I earned my money a different way, it's. They have an issue with what I buy. You did this to brag, babe. If I wanted to brag, I would show much more than a watch. You're like, this was a gift for my husband. The best part about it was the reason I showed it was because I showed the book I got him. People like, what did he get you? So I want to talk about the story behind it. I don't care if it was from the dollar store. If the same amount of effort was put into my gift, I would have still talked about it.

[B]

I think that I've been seeing it a lot because, like, the Forbes 30 under 30, everyone's like, this is the a female dominated space. And look at everybody making excuses. And I'm just like, can we just applaud?

[A]

Like, yeah. I'm like, remember, Remember two years ago, and I was lucky to be, like, breaking 60k a year. And I was carrying babies down to the morgue. Hello.

[B]

Jesus Christ.

[A]

And my husband was being shot at. Literally shot at. And we were, we were so lucky just to be able to, like, buy a home or, you know, buy a car. Like, I always give the example too, of my car, our GMC Yukon. When I was postpartum with Stevie, I drove a Toyota Highlander, but we needed more space in the back, so we had two car seats. And then we had our oldest, too. We were like, we need more space. So my first day back from maternity leave, I come home. I was gone for my baby for like 14 hours, pumping all day. I was so excited to get home. And there's a brand new car in the driveway. David had went and picked it up. He exchanged our Highlander. We bought our gmc. And I, I was like, so hysterical, so grateful, because that was my first ever brand new car. I never owned a brand new car in my whole life. And when we bought our Highlander, I bought it from. It was the first car I ever bought, like, in my own name. Because when I bought my other cars, I was under my parents insur. And my parents made me pay them like monthly for it. Anyways, so we bought it from a CarMax lot. That was where I bought my Highlander. So David surprised me with his gmc and I was so grateful. I was like, oh my God, it's a brand new car. And he was like, some guy had built it out. And then when it was done, he ended up pulling out of it because he got divorced. So he's like, I got a great deal on it. I was so excited. So I shared on social media and I was so grateful and I was like, we're so happy for, like, you're so deserving.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So hard. My Land rover was like $10,000 more. And when people heard that I got that car, oh my God, the hellacious comments and dms. I got that. I'm so out of touch. I'm like, babe, I could have bought that Land Rover when I was a nurse too. We just wanted a more convenient car for our family. It's just the way I earn my money that bothers you.

[B]

Can I just say an unpopular opinion?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to see people live the same lifestyle as me on social media.

[A]

Same.

[B]

I'm sorry, like any people I like following. I'm like, you're not living my life, which is why I want to follow you. Also. I. I like seeing like the very different ends of the spectrum of like, oh, hey, we live in like, like super basic house. Like, here's a day in the life. I'm like, yes, consuming like ads clicking like all that. But I also like to see the spectrum of. There's a girl who owns like a thousand Van Cleefs and I'm like, show me, show me, because I'll never. I'll never own them that many.

[A]

So that was what I had told someone or commented on a video when they were defending me, which I was so grateful for. I don't feel like people. People shouldn't feel the need to do that, but I think they just know I just don't stand up for myself because it's not worth it. When I. In 2022 and I was working full time in the ICU and I was trying to build my social media platform, I would make maybe like 500amonth because I Was contracted with Cherokee Uniforms, the scrub company. That's when I started, like, making income.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

500Amonth was a ton of money to us. Us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That covered our family's groceries. Like, we felt so grateful to have that.

[B]

And I'll never Forget, forget making 500amonth on YouTube. And I was like, oh, my God, I can pay for our groceries. I was like, this is so great. Yeah. Isaac was in the NFL, but. Yeah, but I felt like a little bit. I was like, this is so incredible.

[A]

You're contributing. Like, I felt so, like the second I started surpassing David's income, I felt so proud because I remember my first semester of nursing school and he made me quit my job at Starbucks because he's like, I want you to focus on studying. And that man worked three overtime shifts a week on top of his four 10 hour shifts just so I could focus on school. So.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I was like, I feel so honored to be able to support our family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that you don't have to work as much overtime. And then he was able to leave in February. Like, I felt so honored to do that for him because he has carried our family for 10 years. So anyways, I, I loved when I was working as a nurse and I was broke as seeing people in my position because it motivated the out of me. Because I was like, I'm gonna grind so hard on social media. I'll eventually leave nursing. I'll be able to make, create generational wealth. Like, my parents were able to pay for my college. Like, I want to be able to pay for all four of my kids, schools, their weddings, take them on trips.

[B]

Like, I think I was like, wait, four kids. I was like, you're having more.

[A]

I know. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like our oldest is getting her driver's permit next year. I'd have to buy her a car. And I'm so grateful I can do that. I bought my own PT Cruiser in cash and I was 16 years old. Like, I came from a very different life. So did David. But I loved watching people in my position because I was like, you know what? If she can do it, so can I. But there's two different people in this world. There's people that look at it like that and there's people that are like, oh, now that she's doing better than me, her, she's out of touch.

[B]

Right. And I, I, I like, understand it to an extent because social media is a weird job.

[A]

Yes, absolutely.

[B]

I understand to an extent. But at the same time, I don't Yeah.

[A]

I also just think it in. If you're grown and mature and you're well established and confident in yourself, if you don't like content, block me. The majority of hate comments I was getting about my watcher videos being made were people that follow me. I would click on their profile and it says, follow back, babe. Just unfollow me. Block me. I literally was removing them as followers. I'm like, let me do this for you.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You can have a healthy relationship with people you choose to follow on social media. And if there's content that I see that makes me feel bad about myself, I will not follow that account solely to protect my own mental health. Not any hate to them, but just to be healthy.

[B]

Absolutely. I. I feel like I've come to that realization, like, the past few months where I'm like, wow, I'm really jealous of this person. I'm like, why am I following them?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, they're. I'm very strong and like, however you want to live your life, you live your life. You live it. If I don't agree with it, that I don't care, like, that's not my problem. But I got to a point where I was like, wait, I'm, like, jealous of this? Or I'm. I don't like seeing that. Yeah. So I'm like, why? But I. I'm follow. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah, the. When people said it was tone deaf, I was like, well, one. It's a gift.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's okay for all these Nepo babies to show their, like, hundred thousand dollars worth of whatever they got, right? And listen, I'm gonna watch that shit. I'm. Eat it up. Okay? But God forbid I show my watch.

[B]

It's interesting because I don't know if it's because Isaac's been the NFL, but we've never gotten, like, the. Oh, it's out of touch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I think Isaac's job is out of touch. Like, not a lot of people are NFL players what I think it is.

[A]

And I was talking to Jaclyn Hill about this because she has a great insight. She's been in the industry for so long, and she's like, dude, I've never gotten hate for, like, an unboxing. She's like, I've been doing luxury unboxings for, like, 10 years on YouTube and no one cares. Because back in that old school YouTube days, everyone knew they had so much money.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was, like, the thing. I think it's when people come from very normal lives and normal jobs and they grind their ass off and they finally hit a point, right.

[B]

Where they're like, oh, you changed.

[A]

You've changed. You're out of touch. You're a different.

[B]

I'm like, I'm glad I changed.

[A]

I grew, I evolved, and that's my thing. Don't say I've changed. You don't know me as a person. Right. Watch what I allow you to watch. You see the part of my life.

[B]

That, like, five seconds and I kill you. Yeah.

[A]

So I don't know. It's a. It's a whole thing, but I. I think it's. It's just interesting, the different dynamics of people's opinions when they watch people's content. Because like I said, even at my lowest point in life, when I watch people like Jaclyn Hill on YouTube, I'm like, I'm gonna get to that one day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm gonna use as motivation. And I ate her up.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Yeah. I think that's. That's where, like, social media, you can. You follow different people on social media for different reasons. I follow this girl to feel good. I feel this girl because she's aesthetic, and, like, I'm not aesthetic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all these different reasons. And so it's just interesting. The. The hate piece.

[A]

Yeah. You know, but we out here thriving. Okay, so what's going on? You obviously are remodeling your house, which you've been talking about.

[B]

Holy. Oh, my God. Like, it's. Originally, we were just going to do the living room and then the kitchen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they demoed the whole house, and we're like, okay, well.

[A]

Oh, might as well just do it.

[B]

And then we weren't going to touch the backyard, but construction ran longer, and we're like, okay, well, as well. I just don't want to live in our house and then start construction somewhere else.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we just did everything, and I'm really excited because this is, like, our first time living in a house year round. And, like. Like, we're gonna be like, this is. Everyone's like, you're gonna move in, like, two years, you guys. Like, I've moved because of the NFL. Like, I'm not choosing to do that. So I'm so excited because I get to, like, see Scotty grow up there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we get to grow our family, and I love all of our cute neighbors, and we have friends now, and so I'm, like, so looking forward to moving there.

[A]

I'm so excited for you. I Can't wait to see it. I know. It's going to be so beautiful.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Show me photos after. What's going on?

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's like, on. It's everything that I want a house. It's, like, not too. It's literally under 2, 000 square feet.

[A]

It that. Okay. It's like, this is an unpopular opinion, too. I literally want a house half the size.

[B]

Yeah. When we lived in Texas, we had this sounds, like, so out of touch. But when we. We had a bigger home in Texas, and I was like, I don't want this space.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I would rather have a smaller home, nicer and, like. But also, I want my kids to play in the living room.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't want everybody to be in five different areas. So now I'm, like, really excited because we have, like, open concept and California living. It's like, backyard. It's basically your living room. So I'm so looking forward to having my nice little cute house.

[A]

Yeah. I. When we went from San Diego and we were so broke, to be being able to sell our house and buy our house in Arizona, it was pretty much double the size. And we're like, yes. Like, we have so much space. It's like, because it's an idea, like, in your head growing up, like, I always want my kids in this big, giant house. And then I got to it, and I was like, there's so much wasted space. Like, our loft upstairs never used. Or, like, formal living room, never used. I was telling David. I was like, I would be so happy with a house half the size, with a big backyard. My kids can just play. Also, the upkeep on a big house. Can we talk about that? Oh, it's constantly messy.

[B]

Everyone's like, you have two dogs and a cat. How do you keep up with the hair?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who said that? Yeah, I guess I don't.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm. I'm so excited for it to be done.

[A]

So talk to me about what else is going on. You obviously have your podcast.

[B]

Have my podcast. It's fun. It's been weird because this season, Isaac hasn't been playing football, so it's been an interesting dynamic, but I really like doing it. I like talking, so love having a podcast. And, yeah, I think that it's weird because my life has been so chaotic that this month has been not chaotic. And for the first time, I'm like, wow, okay. I think I've been taking on way too much and saying yes to everything and, like, Trying to do it all, and I don't need to do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm trying to find, like, a happy medium of, like, quality time with my daughter and, like, finding a balance between doing this and doing that, but also, like, finding what makes me happy. So it's like an interesting journey.

[A]

Yeah. I. I feel like this month was kind of eye opening to me for the holidays because last holiday season was the first holiday season I was with my management team, so I didn't know how to say no yet.

[B]

And I just learned the word now, dude.

[A]

I was doing, like, five ads a week on top of my normal, like, three to five videos a day on TikTok and then whatever on Instagram. I think because I had just left nursing and David was still working as an officer, I was like, I need to pump out as much as I can get to, like, save as much money as possible, float my family, because I felt a lot of pressure. And this year, I have learned so much balance and, like, showing so much less of my life, which people don't understand, but I'm like, I really don't show as much. I took a step back from feeling so much pressure. Like, it would be 3:00, and I'm like, oh, my God, I haven't posted my third video of the day. I would get so much anxiety over that. I know. It was so bad, so unhealthy. So now I'm like, wow, I can actually enjoy the holidays. I can hang out with my friends. I don't have to feel like such weight on me. And that balance of. Of being a working mom is so real, you know?

[B]

It. It is. And I think that going from me making. Because at my first job right out of college, because I left my job to start, like, my Airbnbs.

[A]

Oh, wait, what did you study in college?

[B]

Interior design.

[A]

What? You want to design my new house?

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

You're like, I can't get on right now because I'm currently trying.

[B]

I'm saying no.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Literally, my word of the year is new. No, wait.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Yeah. So I went to school for interior design. I worked a normal nine to. Well, actually, it was not nine to five. I was, like, an intern.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I worked for a staging company up in la.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

While Isaac played for the Chargers.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I loved it. I loved it so much, I eventually, like, got promoted to be a freelancer. So I got to choose my schedule, and I was so happy. It was, like, really good money for the work. You would work, like, three days In a fifty million dollar home. And I'd be moving around furniture and styling it. I had so much fun. I started working with, like, real estate agents on the side. And then I was like, wait, I have this money. Say I started. I literally worked like four jobs right out of college because I was like, I. I like making money. Like, I was like, I need to do this. So worked as an interior designer. I worked as a real estate photographer. I worked for Havenly online. And I did all three of these things. And while Isaac was in the NFL, then when we got engaged, like, oh, I get. I get that money too. Yeah.

[A]

You're like, wait, honey, you can start paying the bills.

[B]

And I also got a lawsuit that was settled from, like, when I was a kid. It was a car accident that I broke my nose in. So all these things, I was like, I really. With Isaac moving around for football, I was like, I really want to have my own job and, like, have my own income. So that's when I started an Airbnb. I bought a house, renovated the whole thing, and that was like my job. But when you start making money on social media, you're like, like, it's like, what the.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

So it. I. I was like, I can't say no.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So I feel like I went through that phase. And then when I was pregnant, went through a change in my management and I wasn't able. I legally couldn't take an income. And it. Me.

[A]

For how long?

[B]

Six months.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I am so all about woman empowerment and independence. I literally made my social media off of not following my husband and not living off his income. And somebody else took that away from me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, no.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So the. For the past year, I'm like, I'm saying yes to every single opportunity. I don't care. I'm like, I love working. And then I got burnt out.

[A]

Yeah. And that. That. Okay. So that is what I was.

[B]

My heart is racing because I gotta just get so pissed that, like.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So going back to what you said about the money, I remember that's kind of how I felt last holiday season where it was like, so. And like, again, I was making 500amonth from a scrub company. So when I signed with my management and they were like, this is how much you should be making. I said, what? My Nursing paychecks were 6 between 16 and 1800 for two weeks of work. So I was making like less than $4,000 a month.

[B]

It's crazy how little nurses get paid.

[A]

Yeah. Working as a full time nurse, keeping me alive.

[B]

And by the way, changing my postpartum diapers.

[A]

No, literally. And by the way, David paid for all the insurance through his job. So I wasn't even with health benefits being taken out. That was just, like, what I made. Yeah. Arizona nurses do not make any money because there's no unions in Arizona.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So I came from a union at Rady Children's. So nurses kind of like. Like, it's a. Yeah. They kind of, like, have meetings and are able to help run the hospital. And they're very respected.

[B]

They can.

[A]

They get paid a lot more money and get a lot more breaks. And I'm not saying that they make what they deserve. They deserve.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Far more. But in Arizona. I remember going to work in Arizona as a nurse, and I was like, oh, okay. So there's no way I can work part time. So I worked full time when Ziggy was born, and then when Stevie was born, I worked two days a week. And then I did social media because my scrub money made up for it. But I remember when I signed with my management and I was like, you want to pay me how much money to make a video putting a moisturizer on my face? How do I say no to that? But then it was like, okay, I was burning myself. I was doing way too much trying to balance it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And now I feel like I have a healthy relationship where I want to promote brands that I genuinely use on a daily basis that my audience knows is real.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because if they knew the amount that I turned down, they might say, I'm out of touch, but I'm not going to promote a product that I've never used or I don't like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or when brands are like, hey, I want to pay you this much. That's great. Can you send me the product to try out? You want to pay me that much money? I've never used it.

[B]

Feel like I just need you to, like, emphasize this. I'm like, I don't feel that way.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. So I feel you. Because it's hard in the beginning when. When your life starts to change and you're like, how do I say no to that money?

[B]

And I. It's weird. Influencers are so out of touch. Oh, my God. I worked all day.

[A]

Yeah. And I'll never complain about this job because of what I came from. I'm so lucky. Every day.

[B]

I. And I. I think that's where it's an interesting dynamic where I started to feel guilty. Like, I You want me to turn this down?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I can't do that. So it. Oh, my God. So such a weird. I get. I get out the outside perspective because I did. I made.

[A]

Yeah. Because we didn't make any money.

[B]

15 an hour living in Santa Monica. I couldn't afford anything.

[A]

Santa Monica? Yeah.

[B]

I remember calling my dad, crying because I was at the gas station. I had no money in my bank account. Next day was payday. And I was like, I just need like $50.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

But I worked my ass off. And I. I know there's luck in. There's some luck in social media for sure.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I also worked my ass.

[A]

Yeah. That's the thing is that you can get lucky and have your five seconds of fame, but if you don't work hard as after to keep it up, that's it.

[B]

I've been on YouTube for, I think 10 years.

[A]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Not a lot of people do.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I would because I was like, if I make 200. I liked the side hustle, so I was like, if I can have like this side gig and this side gig, like, I was like, I just want to make X amount of money in a year. So I'm just like, okay. So I worked my ass off.

[A]

Okay. So when Isaac got laid off, was this something you had a warning of or was it just like a random phone call? Like, swerve the.

[B]

Usually when he's gotten released, we've seen it coming, which I don't feel like I talk a lot on social media about, but you can. You kind of get it because leading up to a football game, you know, if you're first string, second string, third string, like, you kind of get the vibe. So the week before, he was inactive, so he was technically on the roster, but he didn't dress for the game and they positioned he play defensive end.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And they had also gone through a head coach change. And so when he didn't play, he was like, okay, there's a good chance I get released. Thinking they would put him on practice squad, meaning you doing the same every day. You just have a different income.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But then when they said that they weren't signing him back to practice squad, we were like, oh, so why the are we in Vegas? And that. That was a weird transition because that was his last game and like, we didn't know and like, it just like got cut like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that was really interesting. But I. I mean, we. The NFL, you just never know what's coming. It literally stands for, like, not for long. The average NFL career is two and a half years.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

And he's played seven.

[A]

Yeah. My next door neighbor plays for the NFL and they're like the nicest family ever, but they are like, they have to travel all the time. Yeah. They have three kids and it's just crazy. Like, you just never know.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm grateful for everything Isaac and I have done with his football career up to this point, but now that we have a daughter, the end is near. And I'm like, well, we have a daughter, so the idea of not moving her from city to city, that doesn't sound like a horrible thing.

[A]

Yeah, no. And I moved a ton as a kid and that's my goal is I never will do that to my kids. Like, I want them to grow up with the same friends their whole life. I want them to be at the same school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that's so important to give your child that sense of community and, you.

[B]

Know, stability and like even the memories in the same house growing up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I lived in the same house my entire childhood. My parents still live there.

[A]

What? See, I love that.

[B]

Like, they need to move because.

[A]

Wait, where did you grow up?

[B]

Michigan.

[A]

Michigan. So you grew up in that winter?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've never lived in seasons my entire life. California and Arizona are the only two places I've ever lived that's.

[B]

It's like a snowy Christmas is. Changes a person.

[A]

Yeah. That's gorgeous.

[B]

But then when Isaac got drafted to the Chargers, so then when he moved out here, I was like, oh, Louisiana is perfect for interior design. So it was like a no brainer. And then once you live in California, it's really hard to leave.

[A]

You don't leave.

[B]

I mean, it's expensive as. Which is why we tried out Texas.

[A]

Yeah. But yeah, California is a different beast. But growing up here as a child, it's such a magical childhood to give a kid.

[B]

It's like freeing in a way. The idea of like going to the.

[A]

Beach in the morning and non judgmental people. Like, coming from Arizona, I was like.

[B]

We live in county.

[A]

Yeah. Coming from Arizona, I feel very judged on a daily basis because I know people, certain people know who I am and they don't like me and my content, which is fine because they grew up a different way. Like very warm and conservative culture. I grew up not religious and raised by parents that told me to speak my mind and be feminist. And I don't have any regrets with anything I share because I truly believe, have my beliefs and I'll stick to that. But yeah, it's. It's a different world. And when I'm out here, I feel more myself.

[B]

It. People out here, like, just don't give a no. And I love about other lifestyles. I think everyone's so self absorbed too, that they're like, I don't care what you do.

[A]

Yeah. We were at pizza the other day up where my grandma lives in Santa Barbara area, and we got the kids pizza and there was his mom sitting behind me. She had her two daughters and she got this massive, like, pint of beer. And she was just chilling at lunch, like, took her kids to the beach, was eating pizza and drinking beer. I'm like, see, I want to have lunch with you. Like, I want to be your friend.

[B]

Someone's like taking a picture of you doing that.

[A]

If that happened in Arizona, oh, my God, I would have.

[B]

Do they even sell alcohol in Arizona?

[A]

A lot of places don't. A lot of places are closed on Sundays.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. So. Oh, my God, if I drink, someone would be taking photos, like, praying for me, you know, I don't need to be crazy.

[B]

I don't want to be saved. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to be safe.

[A]

Yeah, no, I don't want to be saved. It like that or like smoking and joint while I'm eating pizza. Sounds incredible. But in California you can do that, you know? Arizona, new. Last night on New Year's eve, we ordered McDonald's. Sweet. DoorDash McDonald's. I had a. Some chicken nuggets and french fries. Oh, it was so good.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

I know. My first resolution is to stop eating fast food, though.

[B]

Really? If you eat a lot of fast food.

[A]

No, I. Okay, I do like doordash if I'm like in a crunch for dinner. But I do try to cook and I would say if I doordash, it's like Chipotle or Cheesecake Factory. You know, we doordash a lot.

[B]

You doordash. Probably. I'm not gonna say really a lot. I. I don't cook.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Also, I have to say our dishwasher is broken right now, so.

[A]

Yeah, no, you have to. Doordash. What else? I'm not gonna hand. She's so out of touch. Okay. I do hand wash dishes. Okay. I swear, I don't have people. People think I have like a whole staff of people in my house. I'm like, no. I literally do everything myself, including editing all my own videos. People think Scott does that for me. I'm like, no, he just does the.

[B]

Podcast and he's like, no, not just.

[A]

He does the podcast.

[B]

Yeah. That's another thing is I. We haven't hired anybody for help in any capacity. I'm like, it's hard doing. Doing it all.

[A]

It's a hard balance.

[B]

That sounds a little out of time.

[A]

Yes, we. We're very privileged because we're home all the time, but when you are a businesswoman, it's a hard balance because you have so much guilt being away from your child.

[B]

I think I also have guilt because I know that people are at home working, like, a regular 9 to 5 job and their kids at home, and I'm like, like, okay. I like, it's hard because I feel guilt. I feel the guilt. I. I talked about it on one of my podcast episodes where, like, I feel bad talking about anything because I feel like I'm not allowed to be sad because I have a good job.

[A]

Yeah. I also, I think back to, you know, nursing life, and I would wake up before my kids were up out of bed and I was home when they were asleep. So when people say, I leave my kids a lot to travel for work, they don't understand that three days a week. I never saw my children every single week.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because I physically did not see them. I was working 12, 13, 14 hour shifts, and my kids wake up at like, 7, and they're asleep at like, 7.

[B]

I'm sorry. I don't hear anybody complaining about a man doing that.

[A]

Yeah, no, exactly. It's so funny because no one gave a. When David was working full time, he was away from the kids, but everyone hated me.

[B]

When I travel, I'm like, that's weird.

[A]

So anyways, that's what I tell people. I'm like, I get it. Like, I do have to travel for work. And that's what it's like when you have a podcast and you go interview people, you go to where they live. But what.

[B]

Just because my job isn't a conventional, like, what you think of it doesn't take that away from anything.

[A]

Probably once, maybe twice a month. Whereas every single week, I was lucky if I saw my kids four days a week. So it's just a balance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, but when you have something to compare it to, I just really feel so grateful every day.

[B]

I'm. It is crazy how grateful I am for social media and, like, all of it. Not even just for her. Like, the fact, like, I. It's my income, but for the fact that, like, it's given me so much community over all the change. I've gone through in the past four years, I am so eternally grateful for this community I've built because I genuinely feel like if I go on, like, Instagram and I'm like, I'm struggling today. I have. People are like, hey, like. Like, hope everything's okay, or, like, sending good energy to you. Been there. It's gonna get back. Like. Like, it's. And I. That's the part of social media I love. It's, like, uplifting. It's not judgmental. It's like everyone's going through their own. Just because my is different than your doesn't mean we're not going through it.

[A]

Also, although hate can be hard and affect you, I always have to remind myself that even though you notice the hate more, 99 is support. And that is something I'll always be grateful for, because for every one person that wants to talk about me or say whatever they want or make a video, that's so nasty, I have, you know, a million people that are so grateful and want to reach out and help and say, like, hey, girl. Like, I know you're going through it, but just know you have so many people that love you. Like, a message like, that means everything.

[B]

It does. It sucks that the hate is louder than. Yeah, the good stuff. Sometimes I try and look at hate as, like, constructive criticism, which isn't a good thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I think that there's a level. I think there. There's parts where I'm like, okay, I'll take that with. I'll take that with a grain of salt. Thank you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then there's other parts where I'm like, hey, you don't. You don't know my life.

[A]

Yeah. I also. I just kind of have. In the last, like, couple months, my. I don't give a. Has, like, really taken off, and I just don't care anymore.

[B]

I'm sensitive.

[A]

I. I was really sensitive. But then I think it's a lose, lose. It doesn't matter what I do because, for example, my watch, I would do a get ready with me, and that watch would be on my wrist, and that would be the top ass. Question is, oh, my God, I love your watch. When did you get that? Oh, my God, that's the Cartier whatever watch who got the free. And then they would be talked about. I would rather just show it and tell the story behind it myself than have people assume or then see it on my wrist because, you know, I own it. Right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It. I'm just. I just want to tell a story about my husband Buying it for me. That's it there. And let's not forget, who earned that money is me.

[B]

But if your husband earned it, it would have been okay.

[A]

Exactly, exactly. Yeah. Well. And what she does, by the way, he actually does stock trading, so he earns a ton of money.

[B]

That's fun.

[A]

Talk about that. And also we're launching our business, which you know about behind the scenes, but so exciting. He does all the behind the scenes for that. Like, he does all the business meetings, the. Like he is with the lawyers, the finance team. Like, he does all of that because I just simply don't have time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so we balance it. And although he's not. He does a stock training, but like, although he's not making a set, you know, check every week or whatever. It's. It's different when you're a team. It's just a different dynamic.

[B]

It totally, absolutely.

[A]

And in this day and age, why are we not encouraging independent women supporting their family while also raising kids?

[B]

That's what I don't under. That's. I'm just like, guys, I'm tired. I know, but it's the past. My time on social media, initially, I start. I started my social media because I was getting hate. I think I made a funny video talking about Isaac being in the NFL. And this is back when he played for the Chargers. This is a long time ago. Everyone's like, oh, you're a gold digger. And I was like, oh, that's fun. So I just started making videos about being a gold digger. Oh, my God, I'm a gold digger. Gold day in the life. Gold digger. And then I started making my own money. And then people like, you're out of touch. You're out of. I'm like, hold on, wait, What?

[A]

Which one is it?

[B]

Do you want me to make money or outside of my husband or. No. So then it's. And then I'm like, oh, but I own these Airbnbs. And like, you're the reason for the House. House market crisis. I'm like, I own two Airbnbs in Arizona. I promise you, there's a lot. There's like huge companies buying out thousands of Airbnbs. Maybe just go talk to them and like all these things. I feel like everything I do, someone's going to criticize. And initially, in the past few years, I usually dress he very head on. Like when my husband got released and I was sad, people are like, you're not allowed to be sad. He makes you. He's made so much money. I'm like, here's why I'm allowed to be sad and then make a video about it. And now I'm just like it. I don't care.

[A]

Yeah. It also. I'll say this over and over again. The only opinions I care about are the people in my personal life. My kids know what kind of mom I am. My husband knows what kind of wife I am. My friends know what kind of person I am. You know, my business relationships. That's what. That's what matters. Because you can give me some tips. Yeah, you can't.

[B]

I give a way too much.

[A]

You can't be a stranger on the Internet and judge the type of person I am because you don't know. You don't.

[B]

I allow those people in.

[A]

You do not know what kind of kind of person I am.

[B]

So, honestly, I. I need to be more like that.

[A]

Just call me when you're going through it, and then I'll. This is me. I'm like, yeah, that Block my number.

[B]

You're like this.

[A]

I would never. Okay, tell me about. We're gonna go to happy things now. Tell me about your favorite part of motherhood.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Probably just spending time with her. Something. The way I knew I was ready to have kids was Isaac and I would be grocery shopping or out to dinner, and we would just be like, oh, my God, imagine this. But like, with a baby. Or imagine this with a kid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now that we have her, Isaac and I are in the kitchen. I'm like, oh, I have to run to the grocery store. I'm gonna take her. Or, oh, I have to run into. I have to run to the bank. Drop us. Oh, I'm gonna take her. I just love spending time with her, and I love having a little mini me. And she's just the, like, most bubbly, happy little girl.

[A]

So fun. No, she's so cute, too.

[B]

And I.

[A]

It.

[B]

As somebody who didn't grow up thinking, oh, my. My purpose in life is to be a mom to the women who also feel that way. I have to say, like, you're gonna love me, Mom.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, just because I never thought that growing up. It hasn't changed anything.

[A]

Yeah. And some sort of natural instinct always kicks in when you become a parent because you might not be familiar with.

[B]

Kids, but my first diaper I changed was my daughter's.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. Lying at, like, two weeks postpartum because. Thank you, Isaac.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He had to teach me how to change. Well, I was like, I feel like it's pretty self explanatory how to change a diaper, but. Yeah.

[A]

Not with a girl. You got some areas to wipe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you gotta take care of it.

[B]

Diapers are. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny.

[A]

Especially when they've been blown up the front. It's like, oh, no.

[B]

I didn't know how common blowouts were. Oh, yeah, Mom. I'm like, how are you that up?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I'm like, no, there's. There's a. Well, there's a way.

[A]

Okay. So I want to ask you about her birthday video because, I mean, I told you this. I think I texted you this, that I. I think I was, like, 50 of those views. It got, like, millions of views. I think I was, like, 5 million of them. And I cried every time. Not in a weird way. I just love you guys more than anything in my whole life.

[B]

It was just so literally my daughter.

[A]

I just. Just the going back and forth between the test and then, like, your whole year with her. But I want to ask you about showing her face, because I know. Which I didn't know this because I don't get a lot of hate on my page. What? We were kind of talking about how you guys were getting a lot of hate for it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what?

[B]

They're very mixed opinions.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So what was your. In your mind? What were you. What made you say, I'm gonna show her face?

[B]

So there were two real different reasons. One, it became a game to people where they would find her in the background of a video, and everyone would be like, delete this video. Delete this video. And I'm like, I've mentioned that if she's in the background, she's in the background.

[A]

Also, it's not your child.

[B]

Somebody found her in a mirror, and I'm like.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Like, honestly.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So then it just became a game. Like, oh, I see the corner of her face. Oh, I. Oh, I can tell by the outline of her head. She looks just like. I'm like. Then it just became, like, a weird game.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Two people in public would. We had a really weird encounter when we were in Charleston. Somebody kept following us, and they literally pick. Touched the blanket on her cart, on her stroller and was like, I just want to see what she looks like.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. So I know we keep her private, and we're. This. Showing her face doesn't change anything moving forward. Yeah. And I'm very happy that we made the decision that, like, what we've done up to this point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I honestly just was like, it's not a game. It's like, I want to keep her private, which she is private. I don't want to share, like, everything about her life. But also, you probably know, as a mom, you're like, that's my, like, that's the thing that matters the most to you. And when you share your life, you're like, I want to share parts of my life that have to do with being a mom.

[A]

And also, it is your everyday. Like, that's what I try to tell people. I'm like, I am with my kids all day, every day. Like, it would be impossible for me to share my life and not include my children.

[B]

It's really hard.

[A]

And I've tried to do that to avoid people being, like, giving me hate for having my kids on the Internet. But then it's the other thing of, how can you be a realistic mom or show your life if your kids aren't in it? Because I know they're with a nanny. It's like, well, what do you want?

[B]

Yeah, I definitely think there's toxic levels to sharing kids, which we talked about.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

But I, I, I think it's like everybody else's. It's your experience is different from mine, and, like, that's okay. I think that there are healthier ways to share, and I don't regret sharing her face.

[A]

No. I also think it's such a beautiful thing that you were that you showed, you know, her face after a year, and you've kind of have, you know, gone back to being private. But I also, I think about it too, where someone else in public could take a photo of her.

[B]

If.

[A]

So if you guys are, like, carrying her to go over and post it. So wouldn't you rather be the one to show your child's face?

[B]

That, that was another thing that we had thought of is there are so many people that, like, you have genuine conversations with people that follow you. And, like, I remember being in Hawaii. Like, we met this girl, and she was like, thank you. Like, you helped me through so much through postpartum. Like, like, do you mind if I get a picture with you? And it's just me and Isaac on vacation with your daughter, so we're not gonna set her down. Like, she, she was in the picture.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just didn't like the idea that people had photos of her. And there are hate pages that were like, I have a screenshot. It's just like, I didn't want to give anybody else that quote, unquote power. I'm like, that's my daughter. And so now that her face is out there. I'm like, okay, if she's in the background of a video, cool. Like, it's not that big of a deal.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. I had a really weird encounter, and this is what made me take all the Stevie voiceovers off the Internet was I was at Target and Ziggy was in preschool, and his preschool at that time was only three hours for, like, three days a week. So it's, like, very part time. So I would drop him off and we would go on, like, a little Starbucks and Target date, whatever. And so I'm, like, in the car, like, pushing her in the car, and this girl is running, physically sprinting, and she's not looking at me, she's looking at Stevie, and she's coming straight for her. And I physically stopped her with my hand. I literally put my hand in front and I said, hi. I said, I understand you probably recognize her or me, whoever, and you want to talk to her, but you are a stranger to her.

[B]

The parasocial relationship.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like. And. And we understand that because they're also strangers to us, but we're adults.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She is a baby. You know, she was. I think she was, I don't know, 18 months, two. Whatever the age. But, you know, she doesn't understand that this stranger is running towards her that she doesn't recognize.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then I was like, okay, I need to not do that anymore.

[B]

I spoke with Kylie, Kelsey about this because they're. They decided to do, like, things, but they're. They made the decision that they're like, okay, we're not gonna hide our kids. We're just gonna keep them private.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I. I guess they had a situation where they had to talk to their daughter. Like, just because somebody comes up and thinks, then acts like they know Mommy and Daddy, doesn't mean they know Mommy and Daddy. So, like, it is such an interesting thing to navigate.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Like, my kids have no idea what I do for a living. My two oldest do, obviously.

[B]

Like, Mommy, you're spending a lot of time in front of your camera.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So Mommy's self absorbed.

[A]

No, literally, like, Mommy takes. Like, I. The elf on the shelf brought Ziggy, like, this little camera, and I was taking a video of him and David walking towards the golf course with their golf bags on. And I get a video of Ziggy going like this, like, with a peace sign, like, taking a selfie. And I was like, oh, no. If anyone says, like, what does your mommy do? He says, nurse. Like, she's A nurse. Which I'm like, technically, I still have an active license. So, like, I didn't go through all.

[B]

That school for nothing.

[A]

But you know what's funny is he was sick and. Oh, no, no. He fell at school. And the school nurse called me, was like, hey, Ziggy fell. He's a little goose egg, but he's good. Like, pupils are fine, whatever. And I was like, okay, thanks for letting me know. And then he comes home, he's a band Aid. And I was like, we're gonna take a bath. Like, let's take your band Aid off so your boo boo can breathe. And he's like, no, the nurse at school said to keep it on. And I was like, baby, mommy is a nurse. And he says. He goes, but a real nurse. The school nurse is a real nurse. And I was like, honestly, Val, I got nothing to say to you. Like, I can't say anything. And then my two oldest. No, they don't have social media, but everyone at school does. They all know who I am, so that's kind of been a balance. And I didn't show them for three.

[B]

Yeah, you didn't.

[A]

Three full years. I took them off the Internet. It was Stevie's newborn photos. We had so many nasty comments about their physical appearance that I said, we're never showing them on the Internet. And then after three years, they sat us down. They're like, we want to be a part of videos and stuff, because we. It was always really hard because I was like, we take family photos all together, but I'm not posting the ones with the girls. And everyone was so nasty.

[B]

Well, then on social media, it looks like you don't care about them.

[A]

Yes, but the balance of. Of it, too, is, oh, I respect you for not showing them. But then if I don't show them, they're not part of the family. They're not included.

[B]

It's like, make up your mind.

[A]

You're not listening to me. Of why I wasn't showing them. I. It. I mean, I'll tell you, the comments were disgusting. And they were 10 and 12 years old. And I was like, no, I'm not doing this. Because in my eyes, they don't have social media, but someone at their school could show them comments. Yeah, look at what people are saying about you. That happened to Blue Ivy when she was on stage with Beyonce. She was like, people at school were showing her what terrible comments were being left about the way she danced. And I hated that because it was out of my control.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's How I felt.

[B]

And that's. That's where I'm like, okay, if I don't show my daughter, like, nobody, she's not gonna get hate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Social media.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It. I didn't know how hard it would be to. To still do everything I was doing before having a baby until I had her. And I was like, like, wow. The biggest, most important part of my life. I can't share any of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's been a really interesting process. The first few weeks postpartum, I'm happy my husband, like, kept me in check because I was like, I want to post her. She's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. I was like, I just want to share.

[A]

Oh, being on your close friends too, like, from the.

[B]

Get going, you know, Somebody shared her name from my close friends before I did.

[A]

Dude. Dude. What the is wrong with people?

[B]

I don't know who it was.

[A]

I literally just got chills. Like, in. In a not good way. Because the way that people feel entitled on Reddit, like, that is sick.

[B]

Also, I thought my close friends list was.

[A]

I'm like, did you find out who it was?

[B]

No. I have an idea. So I'm gonna. Next baby. I'm gonna post a different name. What the.

[A]

That's like Bobby Altoff. Where she's. She did, you know, concrete and. What's the other one? Concrete and something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't remember. But then someone leaked that heard their actual birth name. She's like, why are you their parent? In what world do you think that's okay? So anyways. But I remember the first bit and you. And you had. The reason I remembered it is because you included that video in her one year. Was you turning to the side, burping her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was her little face. And I remember like, God, that is a beautiful baby. Oh, she's so cute.

[B]

I. I almost wish that I just never would have talked about not sharing her ever. Like, I just wish I just never would have referenced. Hey, I'm not planning on sharing her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think I. I did it because at the time when I shared that I wasn't going to be sharing her, I was such an open book. And I was just like, very concrete about that. But I almost just wish I never said anything because I think it drew more attention to it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That. I almost just wish I just would have been like, like, hey, sometimes you'll see the side of her face. Whatever. It's just not that big of a deal.

[A]

I don't know if we'll ever have more kids. But I told David if we did, I think I would. Kylie generate. I don't think I would ever talk about being pregnant.

[B]

You know what? I. This sounds so bad. I like attention too much.

[A]

I'm so dead.

[B]

If I have to struggle for nine months.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I need somebody to know that I'm struggling.

[A]

I just. I. David was like, how would you. I'm like, I don't know. Makeup videos. I'll do it from, like, the chin up. People like, your face getting really fat. What's going on? Because one thing about me is I get big. Oh, really? Oh. I gave birth at 212 pounds was Ziggy. I gained. I was like 130 when I got pregnant. And then Stevie, I gave birth. I was only like 192 because I was working full time in PICU, but I was a SWAT nurse a lot. So I was walking up and down, like seven stories in the whole house.

[B]

Oh, yeah, you're so.

[A]

I was like, waddling. I should say so. I think I only gained like, 65. I was huge.

[B]

I think, because I. I'm tall. I ne. I didn't.

[A]

You were all belly.

[B]

I. Yeah. I didn't look pregnant until now. I look back at, like, you know, the last two weeks before you give the dream.

[A]

So swollen. Yeah.

[B]

I miss my lips so much. Like, my lips looked so good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I need some filler. But aside from that, my face got really swollen. Like, I was. I was like, wow. Okay. This is what everybody's talking about. Like, feeling uncomfortable. It was just my face, though.

[A]

Okay, last question before we wrap up. Up. Are you thinking more kids?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

How long you thinking?

[B]

So I turned 30 in, like, the next few weeks.

[A]

We're both turning 30 this year, period. 30. 40 and thriving.

[B]

I thought 30 was, like, old when I was younger.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I feel great.

[A]

This is the best. When everyone says, like, 30s are the best years of your life. I believe that.

[B]

I have never heard that, but I can understand why.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But so now the fact that I'm 30. I always wanted to be a young mom. I'm like, not an old mom, I guess, but, like, I'm an average aged mom.

[A]

Yeah. I.

[B]

Everyone's like, oh, Ali's not gonna get pregnant this year. She's like, being happy. I'm like, I. We don't got much time being happy.

[A]

I. I hate the stigma. Was like, you have kids, your life's gone. It's miserable.

[B]

I think because of postpartum depression. One thinks, yeah, but I'M like one. I love being pregnant. I think I look fucking hot pregnant.

[A]

So horny pregnant.

[B]

I look, look. Oh, no. I'm. I'm way more com. I'm way more confident naked when I'm pregnant.

[A]

Absolutely. Any day.

[B]

Which doesn't make sense. But now that I'm like, I'm missing a belly. I'm like, ooh, I know, Secure. But I. I want my kids to be close in age. Close. Close. Ish.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not two. Under two.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, okay. I want them to be close ish. And I'm 30, so I'm like, we're. More kids are coming.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I. I thought before I had Scotty that I was going to be one and done, but now that I have her, I'm like, she deserves a sibling. It depends on the genders, how many kids I would have, but I think probably three.

[A]

Okay. That's a great number to be determined. Yeah. And in the beginning with two, it's hard when your oldest is still so little. But I will say, like, as they get out of that toddlerhood, it's so nice. Like, the kids entertain themselves so much. They have a built in buddy forever.

[B]

Whenever I take her to, to play with my friend's kids. Yeah, she is like, she's just like, I'm over here. Don't. Don't worry about me. So I know that when she has a sibling, it's gonna be. It'll be hard initially and then it'll get easier.

[A]

For sure. For sure.

[B]

My postpartum depression is gonna be sayonara because I may be living in my renovated house, period. With my pool. I'm gonna be just fine, period.

[A]

You're gonna be great. You're thriving.

[B]

It's all dirty and thriving.

[A]

Okay, well, thank you so much for being on Cheers. Thank you for welcoming me me into your gorgeous house. And next time it'll be in your new house.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

And we need to do like a Isaac and David pod episode. That would be so fun. It'd be unhinged.

[B]

It will be. I'm like, might need a shot before that. Before.

[A]

All right, cheers, guys.