gold medals & motherhood | shawn johnson east

Summary

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CHEERS! with Avery Woods

Episode: Gold Medals & Motherhood | Shawn Johnson East

June 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this intimate and spirited conversation, host Avery Woods welcomes Olympic gold medalist, author, and mom-of-three Shawn Johnson East for a candid talk over coffee (not wine this time!) about the intersections of athletic stardom, motherhood, mental health, and building a meaningful life and career after the podium. Together, they navigate Shawn’s journey from child gymnast in Iowa to Olympic champion, her transitions into adulthood and media, her honest struggles with identity and mental health, and the lessons learned as a parent raising “wild” kids—all while finding laughter and solidarity in the chaos of modern motherhood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Meeting Shawn & the Icebreaker (03:01–06:58)

• Avery introduces her intern, a gymnast-turned-cheerleader who idolizes Shawn.
• Reminiscing about Shawn’s Olympic debut at 16 and her cameo on "Secret Life of the American Teenager."
• Lighthearted banter about beauty routines and coffee preferences.
• Coffee chat: Shawn’s daily iced oat milk latte with honey and cinnamon—made by her husband.
• Brief, fun debate on the best home coffee machines (Breville vs. Ninja).
  • “My husband makes it for me. An iced oat milk latte with honey and cinnamon.” – Shawn (05:00)
• Avery and Shawn laugh over viral TikTok coffee videos and DIY coffee disasters.

Childhood, Gymnastics, and Family Support (07:09–13:12)

• Shawn began gymnastics at age 3, just as any kid starts after-school activities.
• Her parents prioritized balance and normalcy, ensuring she had a typical childhood alongside rigorous gymnastics training.
• Her Des Moines, Iowa upbringing was rooted in simplicity and community.
• The pivotal relationship with her coach who prioritized her joy over pressure.
  • “He protected the joy I found in that sport from day one.” – Shawn (10:44)
• Unique coach dynamic kept her childhood innocence intact, even at the Olympics, in contrast to harsher systems abroad.

The Olympic Experience & Perspectives on Modern Youth Sports (13:13–15:56)

• Walking into the Olympics at 16 felt “like Disney World,” magical but overwhelming.
  • “It was… just so magnificent. I saw it as magic.” – Shawn (11:41)
• Emphasizes that youth sports today are often too intense, with specialization demanded too young.
  • “I brushed my mother and father off so many times... Now if that was my child, I'd be like, no chance.” – Shawn (13:32)
• For her children, Shawn resists early overscheduling, preferring they develop passion naturally.

Retirement, Identity & Mental Health (18:17–24:14)

• Retired the first time at 16 due to college eligibility, then came back, fully retiring at 19 when joy faded.
  • “When I retired the second time, it was freeing and it felt joyful to retire rather than joyful to stay in it.” – Shawn (19:13)
• Discusses adjusting to life after gymnastics, the emotional letdown, questioning identity.
• Dancing with the Stars offered a fun, transitional outlet.
• Honest reflection on struggles with body image, post-athletic career, and the importance of a strong support system and therapy.
  • “I lost myself for a really long time thinking that the only thing that people respected about me was gymnastics.” – Shawn (22:00)
  • “I wanted to be... someone that said, ‘I was at the Olympics and I was still struggling…’” – Shawn (23:31)
• Both Avery and Shawn advocate for mental health transparency and professional support.

Meeting Her Husband, Life Transitions & Nashville Roots (25:25–41:10)

• Serendipitous meeting at the London Olympics through her now brother-in-law; their charming slow-burn love story.
• “I thought he was way too good to be true. And I didn’t think I deserved that.” – Shawn (26:57)
• Big life move: leaving LA for Nashville to support his football career and find new purpose.
• Shared athletic backgrounds helped them understand and support each other’s career pivots and identity shifts.
• Parenting three young children—a particular four-year-old with a fierce, fearless streak!
• Why Nashville? It’s “ambitious but values family first” and maintains a warm, community-driven spirit.

Beyond Gymnastics: Special Forces & Social Media (41:10–39:46)

• Winning "Special Forces": ten days of intense Navy SEAL-style training filmed for TV.
  • “The psychological warfare that they call the last 24 hours…was unlike anything I’ve ever experienced.” – Shawn (42:55)
• Social media as a family venture: initiated by her husband, inspired by his family traditions of recording everything; grew organically into a business.
  • “We have a platform that we have been given...and we really enjoy what we do.” – Shawn (39:22)
• Set strict personal boundaries: never post in real-time, family comes before content.

Her Book: The Courage to Commit (46:21–49:52)

• Co-authored with her husband; four years in the making.
• Blends emotion (Shawn’s voice) and science (her husband’s psychology expertise).
• Aims to offer hope, actionable advice for cutting through modern-day noise, and tools for finding purpose in life, marriage, and parenting.
  • “We just hope people read it and say, ‘I can have that too.’” – Shawn (49:24)
• Available for pre-order (launching June 9th); includes audiobook, which Shawn humorously describes as a “form of torture” to record.

Motherhood, Routines & Family Life (51:02–58:15)

• Honest look at daily chaos: Early risers, gym with dad at 5:30am, managing home and business.
• Structured work/family boundaries—phone goes away when kids return from school.
• Gymnastics is over, but she prioritizes strength training and exercise as therapy.
• Extreme C-section stories, “chunky babies,” genetics, and shared motherhood challenges.
• Her wildest child: “He’s gonna be an Olympic motocrosser—or end up in prison!” – Shawn (33:12)

Rapid Fire Segment & Close (59:14–63:53)

• Night owl by temperament, forced by kids to be up early.
• Loves both coffee and herbal tea; her four-year-old drinks (and makes) coffee!
• Favorite guilty pleasure: murder mystery documentaries ("The Crash" on Netflix).
• Cannot listen to Lady Gaga’s “Poker Face”—Olympics nostalgia overload.
• Dream trip: African safari with kids.
• Currently enjoys country life on a “farm-esque property” with lots of family outdoor adventures.
• Heartfelt mutual admiration wraps up the episode; reminder about the pre-order for The Courage to Commit.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On being a child Olympian:

• “I was just a kid that had an after school activity that turned into something over time. It wasn’t manufactured like people try to do now with kids.” – Shawn (07:55)

On her beloved coach:

• “He protected the joy I found in that sport from day one.” – Shawn (10:44)

On parenting & sports:

• “If they aren't obsessed with it and asking to go, I don't want to take their childhood away.” – Avery (07:40)

On mental health and struggle:

• “People tried to paint that perfect picture of me, and I didn’t agree with it.” – Shawn (23:31)

On her “wild” four-year-old:

• “He asked for a mirror so he could watch himself get stitched up...I don’t know if you’re going to end up in prison someday or be an Olympic motocrosser.” – Shawn (33:11)

On her marriage and life pivots:

• “I was at a very interesting transition point...I was ready to find my person.” – Shawn (28:34)

On "Special Forces":

• “The psychological warfare...was unlike anything I’ve ever experienced. I don’t recommend that for anybody.” – Shawn (42:55)

On her book’s purpose:

• “We put in a lot of work in our marriage, in our parenting, in our businesses and our athletics. And all those little skills that brought us to this point we share. And I just hope people read it and say, ‘I can have that too.’” – Shawn (49:24)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:01: Avery and Shawn catch up, coffee chat
• 07:09: Early childhood and sports beginnings
• 10:44: Relationship with coach and family ethos
• 11:41: What the Olympics felt like at 16
• 13:32: Parenting philosophy in youth sports
• 18:17: Why and how Shawn retired (twice)
• 23:31: Mental health struggles and public transparency
• 25:28: How Shawn met her husband—romantic saga
• 33:11: Shawn’s “ER frequent flyer” son
• 39:22: Family, content creation, and intentionality with social media
• 46:21: About her new book, The Courage to Commit
• 51:02: Day in the life of the East household
• 54:56: C-section stories and baby genetics
• 59:14: Rapid fire: routines, favorites, and guilty pleasures
• 62:22: Favorite thing to do with her kids: roaming their new farm property

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Tone & Style

The conversation is warm, genuinely funny, and deeply honest, mixing humor about motherhood with vulnerable reflections on the highs and lows of elite athleticism and public life. Shawn is consistently down-to-earth and relatable, while Avery brings warmth and empathy—making this episode a heartfelt dive into gold medals, motherhood, and the courage to live authentically.

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Book Pre-Order:
The Courage to Commit by Shawn Johnson East & Andrew East — available everywhere books are sold on June 9th.

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Transcript

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[Avery Woods]

Hey, it's Avery. Welcome to Cheers. Hi, Sean.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Hi.

[Avery Woods]

How are you?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Great. How are you?

[Avery Woods]

I'm so good. Thank you for being here.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thank you for having me.

[Avery Woods]

I have a confession to make.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Please make it.

[Avery Woods]

You just met my summer intern.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

She was a gymnast her entire life.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I actually wondered. Yeah, I saw her walking down the street past us because we were like creepishly parked in our car and I had a mental thought. I was like, she looks like a gymnast.

[Avery Woods]

So she's captain of USC cheer.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, my. Oh, my gosh.

[Avery Woods]

She's in USC business school.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Wow.

[Avery Woods]

She is very responsible. She's such a good kid. I've known her since she was very young and she is part of our. Basically part of our family. And so this summer she's like, I'm looking for an internship. And I said, come on. And I said, you know, I'm having Shawn on the podcast this week. She's like, Shawn Johnson? I said, yeah. And she's like, can I come? I said, yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

So we'll have to get a picture together.

[Avery Woods]

Yes, yes, yes. So she looks up to you a lot. And I. I mean, it's so funny because when I think about you, I remember watching you on the Olympics when you were 16.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Which is insane to think about, like, as a mom.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Like, I have a 7 year old, but I think about if he was 16, competing in the Olympics, I would be freaked out. And I also remember you from Secret Life, the American teenagers.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Of course.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Because that is one of the most iconic scenes in television history, I hope you know.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, I. I think I single handedly, like, opened up my acting career in one day and then burnt it to the ground.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, no.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, come on. Not that I will ever act again in my life because it was the. It was a. Not a horrible experience. It was really fun. But, like, that is so bad.

[Avery Woods]

No, but I.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And it won't die.

[Avery Woods]

No, it won't die. We were gonna make you do a TikTok sound to it today. Great. And also, you look the same. Oh, you haven't aged a day.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

I want all your beauty tips.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thanks.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, it's true.

[Shawn Johnson East]

You know, the talks.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Bow tie. Oh, I'm frozen right now.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I have no movement in my face, but it's fine. Okay, tell me about your drink because we got you your iced coffee.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yes. I make. Every single morning, my husband makes it for me. An iced oat milk latte with honey and cinnamon.

[Avery Woods]

So you do your own at home? I'm the same.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I do.

[Avery Woods]

It's hard for me to go to coffee shops. Do you feel the same?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I'm so attached to, like, my coffee, so I'm very excited for this. Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, well, cheers. Let's cheers it up. This is from the local coffee shop next door.

[Shawn Johnson East]

The fact we have a coffee shop next door is great.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, that's. That's delicious.

[Shawn Johnson East]

That is really good.

[Avery Woods]

So I do brown sugar, honey, sea salt.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Is my latte delicious? And I love it. I watched. I don't mean to talk trash about Kylie Jenner. I love her, but, like, I watched her video of her making her iced latte at home and I said, banana syrup. It was the most watered down ice coffee. I said, I've got to make her a video.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And, like, it was like, creamer and then the banana syrup. And then I saw someone, like, collab it or.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Oh, stitch it.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Stitch it.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I don't even know the lingo.

[Avery Woods]

Yep.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And I. I was dying laughing. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I just. It was so watered down with like three ice cubes. And I was like, we've got to teach this girl how to make coffee.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Like, just espresso shots.

[Avery Woods]

What kind of machine do you use?

[Shawn Johnson East]

A Breville.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. I've kind of heard. I've heard about Breville, but I. We have a Ninja. Yeah, it's pretty good.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I love a Ninja. But if you. When you're ready to take the, like, next step, it would be Breville.

[Avery Woods]

So we need to upgrade.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Breville has. This is not an ad.

[Avery Woods]

It's not an ad. No.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I asked her. You can, like, calibrate it to where it kind of is foolproof for you, but we have one of those Breville's where our coffee machine where we have to, like, choose the grind size so it gets a little more complicated.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, so you're hardcore.

[Shawn Johnson East]

My husband was.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah. We owned a coffee company for a while. I didn't know that.

[Avery Woods]

Random. Okay.

[Shawn Johnson East]

We no longer have that company.

[Avery Woods]

Got it.

[Shawn Johnson East]

We went down the deep, dark rabbit hole of coffee beans for a few years.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Sometimes we'll get like. Like my husband, I will get obsessed with something and then we're like, maybe we should invest in this company. I'm like, what are we doing?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Like, this is a fixation for a second.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yep.

[Avery Woods]

But we need exactly what we did. We need to calm down a little bit.

[Shawn Johnson East]

When we started needing to figure out, like, inventory and production from South America for coffee beans, we ended up saying, I don't think this is us, like, for us anymore.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. At least you're honest about it.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, so I have so many things I want to ask you.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

Do you remember life before gymnastics at all? No. So how old were you when you started?

[Shawn Johnson East]

No, with an asterisk. Because I had a very normal childhood. Like, by memory. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

That's what I want to ask you because I feel like now. Well, obviously it's so different because you're an Olympian, but I feel like even now, sports are so much more intense and year round and like, I see that with my own children and they're only 5 and 7.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Don't even get me started on it.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And we've kind of come to terms of if they aren't obsessed with it and asking to go, I don't want to take their childhood away. So I mostly want to know about your balance so that I can learn from it.

[Shawn Johnson East]

That's exactly what my parents did.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Shawn Johnson East]

So I started gymnastics when I was three. Just like you would put kids in swim lessons or mommy and me or whatever. It was very normal. It wasn't like hand selected because I was good at it by any means and I wasn't. I just loved it. And then I slowly progressed, like any kid would, year after year. And I took on other sports and other hobbies and activities. And my parents would beg me to, like, not go to practice because they're like, you look tired, or we, we want to go shopping. And I was just very driven in gymnastics. Nothing else. Like, I hated soccer. I ran track for a little bit, like short distances. But I had a very normal childhood. I went to dances and hung out with friends and did my homework and went to a full day of school. And it wasn't extreme like people like to paint a picture of Olympic athletics. I was just a kid that had an after school activity that turned into something over time. It wasn't, you know, manufactured like people try to do now with kids.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Where did you grow up?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Des Moines, Iowa.

[Avery Woods]

And how was that? Did you like it there?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I loved it. I mean, it was home.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It was very quiet. It was small. It was the friendliest, most loving, most amazing place that I can Call still home. We don't live there anymore, but I still call it like my childhood home. Yeah. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

At what age was it kind of clicking for you that it was a possibility for you to compete in the Olympics?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Probably 10, really, which is crazy.

[Avery Woods]

And was that kind of what, you heard whispers from your coaches or your parents or people were just talking about it?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, I started hearing whispers from other coaches. My coach was very humble and very. It was lightning. Lightning striking that I met my coach. He moved from China to Des Moines, Iowa. Random. I don't know how you end up in Des Moines, Iowa, from. From China, but he had this American dream of starting a gym and raising gymnasts who could have a normal childhood and also be professional athletes because he was never given that ability in China. And so he kind of just like flipped the whole program on its head and let us be kids and play around.

[Avery Woods]

He was at the Olympics with you, right? Because I remember as a child watching, and you were hugging him, and I remember my mom like crying about it, like your relationship. And I remember that was like a very much talked about situation. And it was also very refreshing because you look at, especially in other countries, like it's a very different relationship, a coach with an athlete. It's very hardcore. It's almost like they're scared. And you could just tell it was so genuine, like it wasn't something that you faked, you know, which is so special.

[Shawn Johnson East]

He's still like a second dad. And my parents would even say he was like a second dad. And he probably parented me just as much as my parents parented me. But he protected the joy I found in that sport from day one. And I think it came at a lot of cost for him in USA gymnastics and in, you know, the professionalism of that sport. But I truly remember being at the Olympics and still having glimpses of that childlike joy. I think it got a little harder when I started competing for the USA team. I think they really tried to implement this idea that it was a job and a duty rather than something a kid got to do. And so my coach was constantly trying to protect and fight that for me. But I will say at the Olympics I still had that. And I think a lot of girls had lost that, unfortunately.

[Avery Woods]

How do you describe walking into the olympics as a 16 year old?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Unreal. Yeah, I mean, it was. I feel like just as much energy of mine was spent trying not to realize I was at the Olympics. Then energy was spent realizing I was at the Olympics. I tried so hard to numb Myself for the better to not have like a panic attack at the Olympics because it was, it was just so magnificent. I mean, and I was still a child, so it was very much like Disney World for me. And I couldn't see politics or, you know, I still had a kid brain. I saw it as magic.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And it's probably good that you were naive to that very. And also had such a loving coach that protected you because I'm like, when I was 16, I didn't. I had a hard time even going on stage and presenting something or being part of a play, let alone cameras in my face and knowing nationally, internationally, this competition is on everyone's TV and you have thousands of people in the crowd watching you. Plus the pressure of representing your country. That is so much to put on the shoulders of a 16 year old.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It was. I was really, really lucky to have a really good team around me. My parents could have cared less about all of that and they tried really hard to protect me from it. My. Tried to protect me. I did by that time have an agent, which made it more complicated. But I was really blessed that she was just a gift and really tried to protect that as well. So I just, I give a lot, all the, you know, respect to the people around me because I was just a baby, which is crazy to think about as a parent.

[Avery Woods]

I cannot imagine that's what I was going to say. Like, now that you have children, what's your, what's your perspective when it comes to them?

[Shawn Johnson East]

In sports, I brushed my mother and father off so many times. Like, mom, stop worrying. Like, I was 12 and flying to Belgium by myself to live in some strange hotel for three weeks and compete. And I was like, mom, I don't know why you're crying. Okay, now if that was my child, I'd be like, no chance, no chance. I need private security.

[Avery Woods]

Yep.

[Shawn Johnson East]

My kids in athletics, I'm exactly what you said. Unless they're begging to go. I'm like, you're gonna stay home, we're gonna watch a movie together.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I think this whole era right now of like, your kid has to choose a sport by the age of five. They need to be specialized. They need to. It's a load of crap. And if anything, you're gonna burn kids out way sooner. And they're probably never going to find success in an athletic career because they're not able to find joy in it. So for us, we are. My son just did T ball his first, like, T ball season. I think we made three games of like, 15. He was playing in the dirt. And I was like, you don't have to go. Like, this is kind of a joke. And when you get old enough to understand and actually have a passion for something that you drive, I'll be your number one cheerleader. But it's not my job yet to say you have to go to practice.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, that's how we feel. Like our kids are going to summer camp. But it's not overnight camp. It's like their, their school does summer camp. And it's like the same hours of school. And there's a Disneyland day.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, yes.

[Avery Woods]

That my son can go to. And it's like they just take a bus and there's a million teachers and chaperones and they're not even spending the night. And I was like, to my husband, I'm like, is this okay?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I know, like, that's a lot. It is.

[Avery Woods]

And they're an hour down the road and they're back by like 8pm but like, just the thought of him being at Disneyland without me and with all these teachers who are incredible and there's no reason not to trust them. But again, hopping on a flight and going by yourself to a strange country that you've never been to without your parents is wild. It was wild, but also you loved it so much. So of course your parents are, you know, following your lead.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, they. They tried very hard to emphasize as much as possible they would almost prefer I not do gymnastics, like, as it got more serious. And they just said it is 100% up to you. And I just always chose it.

[Avery Woods]

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[Shawn Johnson East]

I was 19, so I had technically retired the first time at 16, thinking that just I back then I couldn't go compete for college because I had given up eligibility and before nil, you couldn't do both. So I retired at 16. I came back because I got lost and didn't really know what to do with myself. Competed for two years and then retired fully at 19. And the best way to summarize that is I just knew with all my being that I had no joy left in the sport. So I could show up and I could push through pain and I could overcome the hardships and stuff, but I just didn't love it. And I knew that when that kind of went away there was nothing left for me to do there. Yeah, I could win medals, but it didn't mean anything anymore.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Was it heartbreaking or was it. It just felt right and like it was the time to move on it just felt right.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I think the first retired, I was still in love with the sport, so that felt more heartbreaking. I felt like I had a really hard time moving on. And then when I retired the second time, it was freeing and it felt joyful to retire rather than joyful to stay in it. And so I knew my time was done.

[Avery Woods]

And after you finished the Olympics, pretty soon after you went on Dancing with the Stars?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

How was that?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I loved it.

[Avery Woods]

It's so interesting because gymnastics and dance, I feel like, have so many similarities, but with so many differences.

[Shawn Johnson East]

So many differences, you know? Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Like I don't have a rhythm in me for anything. So I give you so much credit for doing that. Who is your partner?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I was really lucky the first. I did it twice. You did?

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I did know this.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I did it when I was 16, right after the Olympics, and I did it with Mark Ballas.

[Avery Woods]

Yep.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And I was lucky enough to win with him.

[Avery Woods]

Iconic.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And then I went back for the All Star season right after I retired the second time and I was partnered with Derek. I mean, I had the best.

[Avery Woods]

I just met him at Get Real and he was lovely.

[Shawn Johnson East]

He's wonderful.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Everybody on that show is wonderful.

[Avery Woods]

They're amazing. And my team reps a lot of the pros.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I love your team, by the way. I know them very closely.

[Avery Woods]

They're amazing. They're amazing. Yeah. I was gonna say Suni's a good friend of mine and they're just the best people. And I see. Cause I feel like she's almost like. I feel like a motherly figure to her because I want her to be protected, but she has such good people around her and I can see what a differ difference it makes. Like even just knowing you, talking to you, it's. Your whole life is established at that age and so many things can go wrong. Oh, yeah. You know, but having those people behind you has. I mean, you've created such an amazing life for yourself, you know? And I also think coming out of a sport like that, did you feel overwhelmed and questioned? Like, what am I going to do the rest of my life?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Because like, I. That's so hard too. Especially when you. You have the ability to compete in college because obviously with your eligibility. Did you have any idea?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yes. So a lot of mental health, like wrapped into probably 10 years. When I retired at 16, I had a plan. I'm a very type a person. My dream was to be an orthopedic surgeon, not to be a gymnast, which is hysterical. The way life plays Your cards. So I was going to finish the Olympics, which is hysterical to say. I was going to go back and finish high school. My plan was to go to Stanford University. It was my dream school. I had deferred college for finishing, like, some work after the Olympics. And then I just kept deferring, and I couldn't get off this roller coaster of the aftermath of the Olympics. I was not prepared for it, and I kind of got lost in knowing what the next step was and how to, you know, step away from gymnastics and the. All the stuff that comes after. And so I went back to gymnastics, thinking I would find an answer there. Competed, like I said, for two years, retired at 19, and was just hoping that at 19, knowing that I didn't love the sport anymore, I was a little bit more prepared for that transition. And honestly, I wasn't. I went back to Dancing with the Stars, which felt like home, and just started trying to piece life together, but only in the sense that I was prepared to just wipe the slate clean and build it from the ground up. The best gift I was given at that time, which I think is the reason why I succeeded, was I met my husband, and he held my hand through everything and allowed me to truly wipe the slate clean and say, you know, just quit work for however long you need to see if you can find something that you love again, go back to school. I ended up going to Vanderbilt, didn't finish. Found, you know, a new love and career path in this whole media world, which is the Wild west. And. But it was really hard. I lost myself for a really long time thinking that the only thing that people respected about me was gymnastics.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And you, you've been very vocal about your mental health journey. What gave you the confidence to speak about that publicly?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thinking back now as a mom to how I felt as a kid, I feel like the whole world is now trying to paint perfect pictures for people, that people are invincible and you're either strong or you're weak, and there's no in between. And I remember struggling at 16, I remember struggling at 19 and at 20, and there's so many people preaching that you just don't have your. Your stuff together then, and you should fix it. And that struggle is not okay. So I wanted to be the first or not the first person, but I wanted to be one of those people that had a voice and said, I was at the Olympics and I was still struggling with, like, body image issues, how it's crazy to think that's even possible, and just tried to be Very honest. Because people tried to paint that perfect picture of me, and I didn't agree with it.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Also, when you're 16, a leotard for the world to see. Like, that can really mess with your mind.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And it's subjective judging.

[Avery Woods]

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. I talk a lot about mental health, and it's interesting because I feel like even when I do and I know I'm helping more than you know, the hate's always louder. But I have to remind myself I'm helping more people than the people that want to pick it apart. But they're always. It's always like, how hard could your life be? You know, think about, you know, celebrities that have taken their own lives, that have had all the money, power, fame in the world, and you think they have this perfect life, but you have no idea what's going on inside their brain. And it's so important to talk about.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I've watched every documentary I've seen.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I'm a big advocate for therapy. I'm like, every. Every Thursday, I'm with my girl Stephanie in therapy. I tell Stephanie. I'm like, you saved my life. Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

You know, I found a dietitian, a psychiatrist, when I was at my lowest, that if it weren't for her, I probably would not have come out of a black hole.

[Avery Woods]

Wow.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And my husband and I now, because of everything, I'm so pro therapy, I'm like, we have to go to therapy.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Even if things are perfect, you have to.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. It's so important. Tell me about meeting your husband.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, my gosh. Well, I was at the London Olympics working because I had retired, and I went to a track cycling event. Didn't know what that was to cover. And it's like, think like Lance Armstrong on a track.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Okay, got it. And I was connected with a USA Olympic cyclist. His name was Guy East. And his job was, like, to explain to me how it all worked and, you know, whatever. And I remember talking to him for hours about track cycling. And at the end of our conversation, he was like, if you take anything away from this, it's that I think you should meet my younger brother. And I was like, huh, okay, that's strange. And we had talked about me going to Stanford, and he's like, you shouldn't go to Stanford. You should go to Vanderbilt, because that's

[Avery Woods]

where his brother is.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And I thought he was absolutely crazy. Fast forward, I think a month or two, we had gotten connected, me and his younger brother, who's now my husband, and he flew out to la when I was on Dancing with the Stars for like a blind date. And I thought he was absolutely. I thought he was crazy and out of his mind. I was like, how is this going to work? But I thought he was so cute and I was so smitten. And then it took nine months for us to have a second date.

[Avery Woods]

No way.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, I ghosted him.

[Avery Woods]

Did you?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I did.

[Avery Woods]

Do you think it was because you were shy or, like, what? Why?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I. This is gonna sound so deep and I have told him this, but I got exposed to so much as a kid that I felt like I was living almost in a corrupt world. And he seemed way too good to be true. And I didn't think I deserved that, which is a whole mental thing back at that age. I was 20 years old when I met him. And I just remember thinking, he's way too good. He's way too naive to this world. And he had never been on like a plane without his parents before. At the age of 20 to fly out to LA to meet me.

[Avery Woods]

You were like, I was on a plane at like 12 going to Beijing.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It just didn't make sense. He was so, like, pure and just beautiful and so sweet. And I was like, there's no way. There's no way. And so I just ghosted him. And he. He tried so hard. He was. He persevered, man. He was sending me text message after text message for nine months, and he finally said, this is the last message I'm going to send. I want to invite you to Nashville, take you to the CMA Fest, you know, but if you don't respond, I respect that. And I said, I'm on my way. And I told my mom that first day with him in Nashville, I said, I think this is the guy I'll marry. I was head over heel. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And how soon after that did you guys get married?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Three and a half years.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, wow.

[Shawn Johnson East]

He finished high. He finished high school. We were not that young. He finished college, so he was doing five years at Vandy for a graduate degree and we finished out college before we got married.

[Avery Woods]

Very cool. Did you move to where he was?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I sure did.

[Avery Woods]

You said, I'm packing it up.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I did.

[Avery Woods]

This guy's mine.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Three months into dating, I moved my whole life to Nashville, applied to Vanderbilt. I got in. Really? Went all in. Went all in. And I just remember at that time, kind of like I was saying earlier, I was at a very interesting transition point in my life where I had kind of experienced a lot of the world at such young Age that I kind of already felt lonely and I was ready to find my person. And I remember thinking, if I continue to just travel the world solo, it's not going to give us a chance. And so I said, okay. I scared the crap out of him and I packed up everything and moved to Nashville. I got into Vandy. I started at his school. I threw myself in his life.

[Avery Woods]

Wow. And he was an athlete too? Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

What did he play?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Football player.

[Avery Woods]

And do you feel like you guys understand each other at a different level because you guys were both athletes your whole life?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, he was pursuing the NFL. And so having come off of retirement, of my career, I could kind of see and understand everything that he was going through and his ambition and his drive and his failures and got to really like be his cheerleader, which was really fun. He did five years in the league and then got to help him with his transition out of professional athletics. And yeah, it was. It was beautiful.

[Avery Woods]

What are the ages of your kids?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Six, four and two.

[Avery Woods]

You're so busy. Yeah, that's like if I added a two year old right now. And are you tired?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, for sure.

[Avery Woods]

It was like.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I also have like wild children, so. Oh, yeah, we're in the ER a lot. You know, we're. Yeah, we have.

[Avery Woods]

Why is that?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I'm better now.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, I just. I feel like I've done one too many. Like strap this kid in and just book it to the er.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Bleeding from their faces. Yep.

[Avery Woods]

I haven't had a dog bite. We've had like a skull fracture at the park. Like. Yeah, you name it.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Also, you're prepared for that.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, Yeah. I was a PICU nurse. Yeah, that's true. And Dave was a first responder. I remember when he called me about Ziggy cracking his head. The ER said he actually didn't even need staples because David held such good pressure on the back of his head. And I was like, see, this is where our background comes in handy.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Do you handle that better than the average Joe or is it kind of.

[Avery Woods]

No. Yeah. It takes a lot for me to take someone to the er.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Okay. Including your children.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Okay, great.

[Avery Woods]

I mean, I. Well, because I can examine them well enough myself and I'm educated enough to know if it's gonna be a waste of time or not. I can't sit. I can't give sutures at home, but I'll remove them at home. I just removed them the other week. Yeah. No, so terrible. No, Dave, he's opening PR for me the other day and it was A Summer Fridays box. Sorry, Summer Fridays, for outing you. But it was his fault. We have a million box cutters in the house. Why? He took kitchen scissors that are sharper than anything. And he's holding a box like this. And he goes. And he goes like this. And he goes, I have to go to the hospital. And I was like.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Because he's like, is your husband?

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh.

[Avery Woods]

And he's the type that, like, if he has a cold, like, the man's ending. Yeah. And I was like, you're being dramatic. Like, you're being so dramatic. Stop. And he goes like this. And I was like, I'll get my keys. Like, there was nothing I can do. It was so bad. So I had to run over to UCLA Medical Center. Yeah. His thumb was messed up and he had nine sutures. But then I removed them because I was like, I'm sorry. I'm not paying a thousand dollar bill for us to go back to the ER and take him out. So I have a suture removal kit. I just took him out.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

But, yeah, there's always something, and especially with boys. I say, my son, God, gave me

[Shawn Johnson East]

a motocross racing four year old.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah. Oh, Ziggy has an electric bike. Yeah. Yep. And he's like, mom, I think it's time for an upgrade. I said, no, we just did the upgrade.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I literally cried the first time I watched him. Out of fear.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Because it. I didn't think that it was that big of a jump going from the electric to the whatever.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, I know, it's terrifying. I literally cried when they get the wobble and I'm like, hold. Hold on.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, hold on. We have, like, the full chest plates. Full face.

[Avery Woods]

Good.

[Shawn Johnson East]

My four year old, though, is, like, built different. This. It was like his third time in the ER for face stitches, for not even motorcycles, but, like, third time. And he had to have 18 in his face. Yes. Ouch. So much. So, like, the plastic surgeon, like, knew him by name and everything. Oh. But he asks for a mirror because he likes to watch himself get stitched up. And I'm like this. I don't know if you're gonna end up in prison someday.

[Avery Woods]

He's a different breed.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Or if, like, you're gonna be an Olympic motocrosser. But it could really go either way.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. No, in all my years of pediatrics, I've never had a child request that.

[Shawn Johnson East]

He said he. He felt like he was Woody from Toy Story getting his arms sewn back on from. He wanted to watch.

[Avery Woods]

What's the Kid Sid.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yep.

[Avery Woods]

When Sid's like stitching up the dog that's like that.

[Shawn Johnson East]

That teeters on like a line of like.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Are you okay?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Do we feel pain? Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Got it. Good luck with that one.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

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[Shawn Johnson East]

That's 100% my husband really. It really is. And not in like a strange way of him wanting to document our lives, but his father videoed everything. He has every archived VHS and DVD of every moment of his life.

[Avery Woods]

That's so special.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And he went through a traumatic kind of like child experience where their entire house burnt down and the only thing that was like salvaged was these tapes.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And so it became like this family hobby of theirs that they filmed and edited YouTube videos for the family to have, but never as public. And then while my husband was bouncing around the NFL, he learned the business side of social content creation and had a fascination with it. And he knew that I was kind of in this life transition not knowing what to do. I had voiced many times that I felt too scripted by my job in sports, traditional marketing where, you know, you do a brand deal and they say you make, you have to wear this, say this, you know, please all these people. And he saw it as like a freedom for us to just document our lives and kind of have fun with it. And it kind of came to be something that we now still do.

[Avery Woods]

That's really.

[Shawn Johnson East]

But never planned to do it.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, I feel like the most successful people on social media never started with the thought that it would be their full time job.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, Never.

[Avery Woods]

You know, I feel like a lot, I tell people all the time, I'm like, if you are going into social media because you want money and fame and followers, it's not going to happen that way. Like it has to happen naturally and your niche on the Internet will come naturally of what feels right to you. Because I was like, I've told people if you're forcing yourself to post something because you know it's gonna do well, but you're not enjoying it, your audience will know that. Yeah, you know. Cause you're not gonna want to do it and it's funny what you said, which. This is a much smaller scale when you said, you know, I thought people liked me because I was a gymnast or that's all they looked at me for. It was me. That was me with nursing. Yeah. Like, when I first started online, I was like, well, I can't ever leave this job because people aren't gonna follow me if I'm not a nurse anymore. And then it got to a point where I was like, oh, they're following me because I'm me and I'm sharing things outside of nursing, and it's doing even better. But that had to come naturally. I didn't plan for that. I wanted to be a nurse. That was never my goal. So you guys went into it so naturally, which is so beautiful. And it's come about so well for you.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

Which is amazing.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thank you. It's been an interesting process. I was always a very guarded person and didn't show behind the scenes. I showed the robotic side of myself from professional athletics, never the real side. So that has been a learning curve for me. I'm naturally a very shy person.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

So showing our life. We have, like, a lot of rules and rhythms that we're used to about. Nothing can be posted live. It has to be lived first before it's shared, so that we actually are, like, living our lives authentically and for ourselves and not for viewers. But we have. Yeah. We have a platform that we have been given. I don't know why. And we. We really enjoy what we do.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And you guys settled in Nashville?

[Shawn Johnson East]

We did.

[Avery Woods]

What was your reason for that?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Vanderbilt brought both of us there. Well, Vanderbilt brought my husband there.

[Avery Woods]

You followed?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I followed my husband. And we just loved it. We loved the ambition there. Everybody's very driven, but everybody values family first, which I think is really special and unlike any place we'd ever been. And when we bounced around in our careers, especially with my husband's NFL career, Nashville was just always kind of home base. And we've now been there 15 years, and we are in love with it. I love that everyone's moving there.

[Avery Woods]

Everyone's moving there. I was just telling you that off camera. Everyone that I know. No, not everyone I know, but a lot of people I know that are, like, born and raised LA kids, once they've had a family or we even have some older friends that are like, we're retired. We're out of here. And they've all gone to Nashville.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's beautiful. And they love it.

[Avery Woods]

Like, some of them. Some of them I'm like, you're the most LA person I've ever met. You're never gonna last. And they're like, I'm never coming back.

[Shawn Johnson East]

There's an old school factor to Nashville that Nashville has been able to preserve. I'm not trying to sell Nashville, please. We're, like, overpopulated already. But there's an old school factor to Nashville that is really, really beautiful, where people still have that ambition that you feel in la, but yet they're protecting everything else first. And they're so community driven that it's just. It's unlike anything I've ever experienced.

[Avery Woods]

You know, we have some very dear friends of ours and we were talking about shows to watch, and he. He's an attorney, but he also does Malibu search and rescue. And he was like, have you ever seen Special Forces?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, gosh.

[Avery Woods]

And I was like, no, I've never seen it. What is it? You won.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

That's crazy. Like, it didn't look fun at all.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It wasn't. Yeah, but it was.

[Avery Woods]

How was that experience? Also, for those that. For those that don't know, can you explain what the show is?

[Shawn Johnson East]

For those that don't know, you should watch it. It's a really cool show. Not because I was on it.

[Avery Woods]

No, you should watch it.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's so cool.

[Avery Woods]

It's so cool.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Navy Seals put 20 random celebrities through. Not that I'm calling myself that. Oh, my gosh, I just about cringe.

[Avery Woods]

No, not that. It's people.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I just started sweating.

[Avery Woods]

Public figures. Public figures. You can call yourself that. You're.

[Shawn Johnson East]

No, I literally just started sweating. Okay. They put 20 people through 10 days of, like, Buds or Navy Seal training that just so happens to be filmed. It is not a reality TV show. There is no scripting. Things are majority of the time filmed by, like, GoPros or security cameras. But they put you through 10 days or 10 to 12 days, it depends on the season. But there's, like, no rules, so they can kind of do anything. There's no red tape. You jump out of airplanes, you get

[Avery Woods]

your face crushed in the mud, you

[Shawn Johnson East]

get beat, you get waterboarded, and it's just, how long can you last? Can you make it across the finish line?

[Avery Woods]

What was the hardest challenge you had on that show?

[Shawn Johnson East]

This kind of makes me sound psychotic. But none of the physical stuff bothered me. I feel like I was very used to, like, pushing through, compartmentalizing enough to push through pain. So, like, that didn't bother me. The psychological warfare that they call the last 24 hours of the show was unlike anything I've ever experienced. I don't. I don't recommend that for anybody. Yeah, but you get put in stress positions. You get bagged. So, like, I had a black bag over my head put in, like, pitch black darkness. You have headphones over your head. This is gonna sound psychotic. The volume is turned all the way up, and it's like babies screaming, nails on a chalkboard, animals being slaughtered. It's. And you do that for 24 hours, and then every once in a while, you get, like, ripped out of this pitch black room and the bag gets ripped off your head, and you get screamed at by actual interrogators who are brought in and they can, like, waterboard you and, like, the fact that you

[Avery Woods]

won, that is insane.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah. Like, you get assigned a psychiatrist and you leave. Yeah, I'm totally fine.

[Avery Woods]

I'm filming a reality show, and they gave me a psychiatrist, and I had Secret lives of Mormon wives.

[Shawn Johnson East]

How's that going?

[Avery Woods]

Oh, well, you know, I just.

[Shawn Johnson East]

That would be harder for me.

[Avery Woods]

I have no life. Yeah, it's. I don't. I'm a. I like, live a very quiet life with my family, kind of, like off grid, out of the city. And so it is a little bit of a. I mean, it's not out yet, so when it comes out, it'll be. We'll see.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It'll be great.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Tbd. But that's crazy.

[Shawn Johnson East]

You should do it. It.

[Avery Woods]

So someone was like, you should do Dancing with the Stars. I said, you've never seen. No, no. See, that's the thing. I was talking to Jenna Johnson about that because my team reps her, and we went to the live show on tour, and she was teasing me about it, and I was like, no, you don't understand. There's no hope. And she was like, but that's what makes a good story.

[Shawn Johnson East]

That's what makes a good story. And those guys are so good at pushing you around the dance.

[Avery Woods]

So that's what she was like. You have to have a good teacher.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

That's what it's all about.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Which there are some phenomenal teachers, and you lucked out.

[Avery Woods]

You got some really good ones. Yeah, that's amazing, because they can, like,

[Shawn Johnson East]

really good teachers on that show can make anything look good. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, this kind of reminded me, which is so random, but have you ever seen the show alone on Netflix?

[Shawn Johnson East]

No.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, so it kind of. It's not like Special Forces in that way, but when you were saying that a lot of them are filmed with GoPros I feel like you like it. There's a season on Netflix you would probably really like, but essentially 10 people get dropped off in different areas, completely separate, and they're filming themselves. There's no crew, nothing. And the last one standing wins.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I have seen a commercial for this. It looks amazing.

[Avery Woods]

Incredible.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It looks very, like, the idea around. I really appreciate the artistry of it.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Of how raw it is.

[Avery Woods]

And each season is a different setting. So, like, they've done like. Like, super hardcore winters where it's negative 40, then they've done, like, insane African summers. Right. But, like, one dude shot a moose with his homemade bow and arrow. Yeah. You gotta hunt for food. And, like, he was good, but he tapped out because psychological.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, the psychological part is crazy.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Okay. Any who's. It's enough about shows. Tell me about your book.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, yes, let's talk about it. This book, my husband and I wrote it together. It has taken us four years, which is insane. It has been a labor of love. We love this book. It is everything that we believe, everything that we have found to work in our lives, in athletics and in our marriage and in parenting and business. It is called the Courage to Commit. My husband is. He has his doctorate in psychology. So before I say this, I wrote the emotion side of this book. It's very his or her. He wrote all the science and the pseudoscience that, like, backs it.

[Avery Woods]

Cool.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And it's this idea that there's so much noise in our world right now. There's so much anxiety and depression, and people are feeling very lost. And the way we came out of that was by finding the greatest psychiatrists, therapists, and thought leaders of the world to kind of teach us how to come out of it and find direction and purpose. And we put it all into a book for you to have yourself.

[Avery Woods]

That's really cool. What was your guys's writing process over the last four years?

[Shawn Johnson East]

A mess. We for a long time tried to blend our voice and find one voice for the book. And took us about a year to figure out that that's not possible. And so we ended up separating it to, like, my chapter versus his chapters. Oh, cool. And so I technically wrote half the book, and then he wrote half the book. We also brought in a research writer, so there's technically a third writer to the book to bring in a lot of statistical pseudoscience and, like, take my husband's degree, but also make it very seamless, to make it all make sense. But it's this idea that there's so many Options that a lot of us are paralyzed by choice anymore. And because of that, we're not finding depth and joy and meaning in what we do. And so through each chapter, we give you these ideas of tiny little things that you can do to kind of weed out a lot of the noise in your life and give you a direction that makes you feel joyful.

[Avery Woods]

I love that.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Purposeful.

[Avery Woods]

I read a lot of like self help, self help books or just listen to them on audiobook. I mean, you know how it is. A mom, like if I'm like folding laundry or doing something crazy, I just put my headphones in and listen.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I will say we did the audiobook. That was a. A interesting form of torture. Oh. Oh, my gosh.

[Avery Woods]

Wait, why? I'm so curious because I've thought about this and I was like, I would have to re record this a thousand times because I would stutter over every word.

[Shawn Johnson East]

That's what I did.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And if you miss, if you met like mess up one word, they're like, excuse me, Sean, can you start the paragraph over? You're just like, no. Oh my gosh. And it's like we wrote a long book.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, no, that's.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And I. We wrote some weird. Chosen our brain to use some big words. My brain can say it.

[Avery Woods]

I'm gonna listen to it twice just so that you get your time worth. Your time committed. Worth. An audiobook listens. Dane, that's insane.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's out for pre order. Okay, but June 9th is like the actual like launch day. But you can order both the audio and this already.

[Avery Woods]

What do you hope people take away from it when they read it?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Sounds very cliche, but a little glimmer of hope. I feel like we said that we need. The world is very noisy and my husband and I get to wake up every day and look around at our kids in our life that we've created and say, how are we so lucky? But we've put in a lot of work in our marriage, in our parenting, in our businesses and our athletics. And all those little skills that have brought us to this point, we share. And I just hope people read it and say, I can have that too.

[Avery Woods]

That's beautiful.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I love that

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[Avery Woods]

What's a typical day of your life look like right now?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh my gosh. Well, I wake up at 5:30 every day because my 4 year old does.

[Avery Woods]

You got one of those? I do.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And he's like full of life. Like it's not like a wake up because I'm overtired. Need to go. No, he's just.

[Avery Woods]

This is the one that likes to watch his face get stitched.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It is.

[Avery Woods]

He's a special one.

[Shawn Johnson East]

He is. He scares me.

[Avery Woods]

But you know what though?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Kids like that. They pave their way in the world.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, he will. He has.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, he has.

[Shawn Johnson East]

So he wakes us up at 5:30 because he wants to work out.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Gym king.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yes. So he takes his daddy to the gym, not mommy, but he wakes both of us up and then the others will follow. 6:37. And then it's just like the breakfast morning routine with kids. And then we play half mom, half business owner from like 9 to 3. Which is such a fun little balance. Can drive anybody crazy.

[Avery Woods]

Yep.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And then I shut my work day down at three to be home with the kids. And my husband works until five. Okay. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I have a rule. Before I pick the kids up from school, my phone goes in the same drawer in the kitchen.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, very smart.

[Avery Woods]

Like I have a outlet. Plug it in, face down, drawers closed, Love. Go get them from school. That. That way.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

They don't even know.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

That I'm working. Which is so refreshing. And I will say it was so hard when they were so little and not in school full time that the balance was. I had so much guilt. But also I felt so blessed because when I worked long hours as a nurse, I missed so much of their. Of their time and so. Yeah. But anyways I do the same where it's like I have a time where I put it away because what we do is a 24. You can do it 24 hours.

[Shawn Johnson East]

You can do it forever.

[Avery Woods]

If you don't. If you don't have that boundary. It will never be done.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And it's never enough.

[Avery Woods]

No, unfortunately. And then you're competing with people that have all that time and, and people around them and I'm just like, no, I just want to be with my kids.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Same.

[Avery Woods]

That's why the show is hard because it's really throwing a wrench into my schedule.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I get that. Are they at your house?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, but they can only do it when my kids are in school.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Smart.

[Avery Woods]

Because I got my. My kids aren't in the show.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yep.

[Avery Woods]

And David doesn't have social media. He wants nothing to do with it. So it's just me. And like the other day they wrapped at like 3:30 and my kids get out at 4.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Really good.

[Avery Woods]

I was like, get out of here.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah. We have like a content house, but it's like my parents live in it. We just swap houses every day because they help with our kids and we try to only film there and no kids.

[Avery Woods]

That's very smart.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's so hard.

[Avery Woods]

It's really hard. The balance is rough because sometimes I'm

[Shawn Johnson East]

just like, just film at my house. I don't want to go anywhere.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. I'm curious, now that you're not in gymnastics anymore, what's your workout of choice?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, I lift a lot of weights.

[Avery Woods]

I can tell you're so toned.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thank you. I love Olympic lifting. So I do like heavy barbell lifting and mixed in with like hit kind of.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, you lost me there. I just, you know.

[Shawn Johnson East]

What do you do?

[Avery Woods]

Well, I do Pilates Monday, Wednesday, Friday and then I lift with my trainer Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday.

[Shawn Johnson East]

You work out a lot?

[Avery Woods]

Six days a week.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I try for three.

[Avery Woods]

That's amazing. I mean, I would think you did seven.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thanks.

[Avery Woods]

And you've had three children.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

I think what it is though is I did not get into a very committed exercise routine until my mental health was really bad. And my therapist actually was like, you need to go work out. And so my routine is I drop my kids off at school, I go right to my workout and then I'm done by like 9:30 and then I work until 4 when I pick up my kids. So it's a pretty good balance.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I was forced after my third to like really have a lifestyle change because I did three C sections.

[Avery Woods]

See, I did too. Yeah, it's, it's rough.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It is.

[Avery Woods]

I, if you don't mind me asking, is it because you're so petite? You had C sections. Your babies were big.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I had ten pound babies. Yay. All of them. The one kid was the real ten pounder.

[Avery Woods]

See, you know what?

[Shawn Johnson East]

He's gonna do so many things.

[Avery Woods]

I'm like, you keep adding this list and it's the same child.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Same child. So he was the real ten pounder. And then I had a nine pound and a. Yeah, two nine. Two nine and a ten.

[Avery Woods]

I'll never complain. How tall are you?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Four' eleven. I heard something.

[Avery Woods]

The room. The room is like, oh, okay. So My husband is six' five. He was born 13 pounds 8 ounces.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Holy.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. I was born.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Nobody should have a 13 pound baby. No good for his mother. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

One and only. One and only.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Understandably.

[Avery Woods]

I was born 10.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, my gosh.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. So I'm five nine, he's six five. So when I got pregnant with Ziggy, they were doing weekly anatomy scans the last, like, four weeks. Because when I was 38 weeks pregnant, his head circumference was measuring 42 weeks. And my husband is a really big head. They call it the woods head.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And so they were like, I don't think, like, he's gonna be able to fit out. Because of course, my first baby, I'm like, all natural.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I did the same thing.

[Avery Woods]

No epidural.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yep, same.

[Avery Woods]

So confident. So confident in that. And so they induced me a week early so I could try 43 hours unmedicated. Still an emergency C section. But he was only 8:1.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Interesting.

[Avery Woods]

Stevie was 8:5 a week earlier.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Still a very good sized baby.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, great.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Very strong.

[Avery Woods]

But my best friend and I, we planned our kids. They're both exactly 20 days apart.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, my God.

[Avery Woods]

She had a girl first. I had a boy first. And then we flocked. We switched. She is so much more petite than me. She's like five four, teeny little thing and all belly. Like, I remember, like, I was like. Like I was a heifer. Okay. I gained like 65 pounds with all my pregnancies. She's like, oh, my Gosh, I've gained 25 pounds. I was like, shut your mouth. Like, I'm pushing 200 pounds right now.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And so she has her C section a week early with her son. Ten pounds, one ounce.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, my gosh.

[Avery Woods]

I know. And I was shocked.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Genetics are crazy.

[Avery Woods]

So that reminds you very much. Remind me of her with that.

[Shawn Johnson East]

We had very similar. I was. I was pushing the £60 on a 411 frame. Mind you.

[Avery Woods]

I would never tell, though.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Like. No, you. You would have back that. You would have. When I was right, you would have been like, honey, whoa. And, yeah, it was same thing. I was like, don't touch me. No epidural, all natural.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, that was a joke.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I tapped out 20 some hours in for the epidural and then 40 some hours in it was like, this baby ain't coming out.

[Avery Woods]

You had yummy chunky babies though. There's nothing better than that. Yeah, yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And they like come out sleeping.

[Avery Woods]

Was your husband a big baby? Okay. I was gonna say, you're so petite.

[Shawn Johnson East]

His dad was like six five.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah. And my mother in law had all very large children.

[Avery Woods]

Wow.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Very, very large.

[Avery Woods]

Do you think you'll have any more?

[Shawn Johnson East]

No.

[Avery Woods]

You said that's cuz that four year old's gonna wreck you.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

He's like three children in one.

[Shawn Johnson East]

He is, he's amazing. All of my children are absolutely amazing. But, but to try to keep up. I don't know how to even say this, but fostering my kids passions is like, it's a full time job, obviously. Trying to make sure that you're really paying it. Pouring into what they need. I don't know how to keep moving his bar because in my brain it doesn't make sense for a four year old, you know, because like I look at him and I'm like, okay, we're ready for a bigger bike. But then I'm like, but you're literally only four. How's that possible? Possible?

[Avery Woods]

I feel like six days a week we are doing some sort of activity.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Or play date or like trying to, you know, give them an incredible social life and these friendships and all these things. I'm exhausted.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Like I am fully carpool mom. Constantly on the go, constant snacks. Like I literally, my, my own purse is full of snacks for myself because I pack their snacks. I'm like, I need snacks. Snacks too. Like it's just a different world.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It really is.

[Avery Woods]

All right. We like to end with rapid fire. You ready?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Let's do it.

[Avery Woods]

I think I already know the answer to this. Are you a morning person or a night owl?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Night owl.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, never mind. I didn't know. I. I figured your son would. Oh, you're just forced into.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I'm like, don't talk to me. I need a couple hours to get my day going. No. Yeah. I'm just forced into it.

[Avery Woods]

When you got that early riser.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

What time do you go to bed?

[Shawn Johnson East]

7. Dang.

[Avery Woods]

We already got your go to coffee order. Do you drink tea?

[Shawn Johnson East]

I love tea.

[Avery Woods]

Do you drink herbal tea? Yeah, I drink that every night.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, smart.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, it's really good for you to get a good night's rest. But my son is obsessed with making tea.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And now he makes it for my husband and I every night. It's very sweet. Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I should start that.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. You should teach the wild one to drink herbal tea. Well now Ziggy will make me a cup of coffee in the morning. He knows how to.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Well, my four year old drinks coffee. Oh, well, he loves coffee.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, he probably does. He wakes up at 5:30. He's like, I need my morning cup of joe.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah. My favorite was this last summer. We were on vacation somewhere and I have a video, but he's literally sitting in the corner somewhere just sipping like a hot cup of coffee. And I'm like, baby, what are you doing? He's like drinking my coffee. Like, okay. He's probably wise soul.

[Avery Woods]

He's like a reincarnated old man or something. He really is waking up that early and doing all these activities. I love that guy.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Guilty pleasure. Show you love.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I like the murder mystery stuff.

[Avery Woods]

Oh yeah. Did you watch the Crash?

[Shawn Johnson East]

No.

[Avery Woods]

You should watch that. Did you hear about that case of that. It's actually really sad. But she's a teenage girl, like 17 and she crashed the car into the wall with the two boys in it.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Netflix just came out with a documentary.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Love a documentary.

[Avery Woods]

Really good.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

Really good. And she's trying to get out like there's new evidence, but like it's the first. Like she's sitting down in jail being interviewed.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh wow.

[Avery Woods]

It's crazy.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I would love that.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, watch that.

[Shawn Johnson East]

We're watching Dutton Ranch right now.

[Avery Woods]

What's that?

[Shawn Johnson East]

The spin off of? Off of Yellowstone.

[Avery Woods]

I never watch Yellowstone. I know everyone.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's good. It's good.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, I'll watch it. I'm like Sean told me to. I'll watch it. A song you can't listen to anymore because of gymnastics.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Lady Gaga's Poker Face.

[Avery Woods]

Oh really? Is that like a common.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's just what our whole team was like listening to.

[Avery Woods]

Did you ever watch Stick It?

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, that.

[Avery Woods]

That was like great movie. I loved that movie.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I love that.

[Avery Woods]

And I was like, I want to be a gymnast.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Absolutely not very accurate.

[Avery Woods]

It. It was so good.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's so good.

[Avery Woods]

Hated that coach though. Until the end. Dream vacation destination.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I want to take my kids on an African safari.

[Avery Woods]

I just told David I want to go on an African safari.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Can you imagine their little faces?

[Avery Woods]

No, they would freak out.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I know they would love it. I. It's a dream.

[Avery Woods]

It's like a zoo with no cage.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Scary for the four year old.

[Avery Woods]

Kind of scary.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

See, he's running to those lines.

[Shawn Johnson East]

He'll be riding one. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Wait, that's really cool. Okay. Yeah, good idea. Your favorite thing to do with your kids right now.

[Shawn Johnson East]

We just moved to like a big farm esque type property. They love just going and exploring the property. Just like going for a hike and a walk. Yeah, it's my favorite thing.

[Avery Woods]

And riding their motocross bikes.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Our kids could never meet because then Ziggy's gonna be like, I want a bike upgrade. He asked me for it yesterday, but it's because his legs are so long. He's so tall.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

He's a big boy. And my father in law, six, eight.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So that's where the genetics came from. Yeah. But he. His sister weighs more than him. He's like a bean.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Oh, he's a bean pole.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson East]

It's okay.

[Avery Woods]

That'll come teeny tiny be.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Especially being a boy that's gonna like, he's just gonna shoot up and then.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, listen, I just. I have no words for him. He's unreal. I'll show you a picture.

[Shawn Johnson East]

I can't wait.

[Avery Woods]

Because all the girls are obsessed with him. He's at that age and he's like, no.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yeah, see, that scares me too. Especially with the boys. I'm like, that's my baby boy.

[Avery Woods]

I know. Well, both of them. It's like you don't even know. Yeah, I can't think about it. I'll get to emo like. Like the kindergarten graduation. I'm telling you.

[Shawn Johnson East]

No, no, no.

[Avery Woods]

Yep. Okay. Well, I loved you already, but I think I love you even more now.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Well, thank you.

[Avery Woods]

You're so sweet and humble and easy to talk to and I just love your story and I'm so happy for you and your family.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

Remind everyone about the book again, the Courage to Commit.

[Shawn Johnson East]

And it's for pre order anywhere you can find books. Yay. June 9th.

[Avery Woods]

June 9th, June 9th.

[Shawn Johnson East]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Courage to commit. Can I take that, please? Okay. I'm reading it. Yeah.

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