in the trenches of motherhood | francesca farago

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Podcast Summary: CHEERS! with Avery Woods

Episode: In the Trenches of Motherhood | Francesca Farago
Date: April 13, 2026
Host: Avery Woods
Guest: Francesca Farago

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Overview

This episode of "CHEERS! with Avery Woods" features a candid, lively conversation with Francesca Farago—reality TV star and mother of twins—delving into the raw realities of motherhood, IVF, blending families, navigating fame, boundaries on social media, and the joys and challenges of raising twins. The dialogue offers valuable insight for parents, content creators, and anyone curious about balancing public life with private family moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Francesca’s Current Life: Motherhood, Relocation, and Identity

• Major theme: Francesca is in the “trenches of motherhood” (05:32)
• Balancing her identity: “When I'm in LA, I'm more of like the old me… But in Canada, we're very chill, low key.” (05:32)
• Moved back to her hometown in Ontario for the support of family—a "village" approach to raising twins and a stepchild.
• Values safety, support, and nostalgia (07:10). Safety and gun violence in LA versus feelings of security in Canada (08:13).

2. The Power of Family and Support Networks

• Both Avery and Francesca reflect on moving back home after kids for family support (07:32, 08:09).
• Having a support system is vital, especially with twins: “With babies you need like a village.” (07:22)

3. Navigating High-Profile Parenthood in Public and Private

• Being public figures increases anxiety around safety and privacy (09:19–09:51)
• Decisions about schools—prioritizing their children’s security (09:24)

4. Blended Families and Step-Parenting

• Francesca’s partner, Jesse, had primary custody of his child Arlo, which made her more attracted to Jesse (“He did it solo… I knew he was capable.” – 10:46)
• Both women share candidly about entering step-parenting; the maturity and attraction of seeing a partner be a great parent (11:28)

5. IVF and Queer Parenting

• IVF journey: Francesca gives unfiltered details about the emotional and physical challenges.
  • “It was rough… as a queer couple, I wish we went about it a different way.” (12:28)
  • Advice: Consider IUI before full IVF—less hormonal, less invasive (12:28).
• Trauma of IVF fades once pregnant (13:29)
• Twin pregnancy = extra hardships; “I couldn’t stand up for, like, weeks… but it was kind of fun because I was in bed all day.” (13:40)

6. Naming Twins: Online Backlash and Personal Meaning

• Poetry and Locket—unique names chosen after consultations and personal events (14:22-15:43)
• Dealing with criticism: “How can you say those are controversial?… It’s not that deep.” (15:03, 15:12)
  • "People are giving me like, death threats… you don't deserve to be a parent. I'm like, it's not literally, not that deep." – Francesca (15:03)

7. Reality TV, Online Hate, and Public Perception

• Francesca details her journey through Too Hot to Handle, Perfect Match, and a new reality show—what it’s like being on camera, getting "bad edits," and becoming “uncancelable” through public scrutiny (26:06–27:05; 49:03–50:55)
• On haters and online criticism: “I acknowledged them a couple times... I'm like, please get a hobby... And then they were like, this is my hobby. My hobby is hating.” (24:50)
• Constructing one’s own narrative—how reality TV shapes (and distorts) public perception (49:29–50:55)

8. Behind the Content: Filming, Editing, and Family Boundaries

• Francesca does her own filming/editing: “I don’t trust anybody else.” (47:02)
• Candid about the stress of content creation as a full-time job, the myth of “having it all,” and challenges of maintaining boundaries with kids on camera (61:09)
• Both Francesca and Avery discuss not showing their kids' faces online for privacy and safety—how this impacts their daily workflow and public perceptions (58:13–62:55)
  • “I don't want people to feel that [parasocial relationship] with the twins.” (59:25)

9. Twin Life: The Reality at Home

• Daily chaos described: nap schedules, teething, tantrums, and managing two at once (33:05–35:12)
• “Would I do it again? No. Like if I had a choice, I would never do it again… Twins is actually crazier than you think.” – Francesca (32:04)
• Tag-teaming routines, advantages and disadvantages of twins influencing each other (33:05; 34:48)

10. Marriage, Contentment, and Self-Evolution

• Francesca and Jesse’s relationship—how to keep it strong despite public scrutiny (48:03).
• On being “solid no matter what,” and fighting more since parenthood due to sleep deprivation and responsibilities but always returning to a strong foundation.

11. Life After Reality TV, Plastic Surgery, and Future Plans

• Francesca shares openly about cosmetic procedures (43:13), ancestry (44:23), and renovating homes (22:00–24:03).
• Discusses wedding planning—delays, realities, and dreaming of an intimate Lake Como wedding (53:06–56:25).
• Plans to stay in Canada for summer; hints at future reality TV and keeping kids’ faces out of content (64:21)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On her stage of life:
  “Right now I am just a mother. Like, I'm in the trenches of motherhood with these twins that control every single part of my day and my life.”
  —Francesca, 05:32

• On being an online parent:
  “I think now that my kids are more established in school, it becomes very different too, because now they're their own humans… and they have no idea, like, what I do for a living.”
  —Avery, 62:22

• On choosing not to show her children's faces online:
  “You get a parasocial relationship with kids too… so I don’t want people to feel that with the twins.”
  —Francesca, 59:25

• On online hate:
  “The haters are funny though… I acknowledged them a couple times… This is my hobby. My hobby is hating. And I’m like, all right, fair, honestly, go off.”
  —Francesca, 24:50

• On twin parenthood:
  “Would I do it again? No… Have a different dream. It is a lot harder.”
  —Francesca, 32:04

• On IVF:
  “It was a lot, but it’s worth it. Like, you forget all the trauma that you go through the second you get pregnant, and then all your focus is about keeping the baby healthy.”
  —Francesca, 12:28

• On changing for motherhood:
  “It’s not about me anymore. It’s about them. Like, we moved to Canada for them… Everything I do… is for them.”
  —Francesca, 57:38

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:27 – Francesca joins, coffee chat, and prepping for the episode
• 05:32 – Francesca on her identity as a mother in “the trenches”
• 08:13 – On safety and differences between living in LA and Canada
• 10:46 – Meeting Jesse, step-parenting, finding attraction in parenthood
• 12:28 – Francesca’s IVF experience, advice for queer couples
• 14:22 – Naming the twins: Poetry and Locket; backlash and baby name stories
• 19:50 – How Francesca met Jesse, their TikTok love story
• 21:49 – On loving the person, not their gender
• 22:00 – Renovating homes, evolving tastes, and home design
• 24:50 – Dealing with hate online, Julia Fox’s approach
• 26:06 – Recent reality TV, behind-the-scenes truths of TV production
• 32:04 – Challenges and realities of twin parenting
• 44:49 – Typical day in Canada, adapting routines as a mom
• 47:02 – Content creation workflows, retaining creative control
• 48:03 – Keeping a relationship strong amidst public scrutiny
• 49:29 – Reality TV edits and being “uncancelable”
• 53:06 – Delayed wedding planning and vision for an intimate celebration
• 58:13 – Why Francesca doesn’t share her twins’ faces online
• 62:22 – Choices around privacy as children grow
• 64:21 – Summer plans and a tease for future projects

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Final Thoughts

This episode stands out for its candid, relatable look at motherhood—especially twin parenting—amidst the pressures and unpredictabilities of public life. Francesca’s vulnerability about IVF, the realities of online hate, and her insistence on family privacy offer valuable lessons for fellow parents and content creators alike. Both host and guest keep the tone authentic and conversational, providing both practical advice and heartfelt reassurance.

Where to find Francesca:
"Francesca Farago on everything"—Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, and more (65:22).

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For parents, reality TV fans, or anyone balancing family life in a digital world, this episode is a must-listen for its honesty, humor, and genuine camaraderie.

Transcript

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Well, I watch you make your coffees and I'm like, those look so good. So I needed one.

[B]

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[A]

Yes.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

I'm so glad.

[A]

That's the best latte I've had since I've been back in la, for sure.

[B]

Do you know what's funny is I feel like LA coffee is not really the vibe.

[A]

No.

[B]

Like, I. I so much rather prefer to make my own coffee at home and. Yeah. And when we're traveling on vacation, like I've told my husband, I want to get like some sort of travel espresso machine or something to make it at home. Because whenever we're traveling, it's like you have to find a new coffee place and it's usually not very good.

[A]

Especially I don't know where you're going, but Europe. I feel like they like their coffees really bitter, so it's hard to find, like a nice sweet vibe.

[B]

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[A]

Got to bring sea salt with you in your suitcase.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, I'm so happy you're here and I, I followed you for so long and I've always been obsessed with you. But then you had twins and like if you know anything about me, you know my obsession with twins.

[A]

Oh really?

[B]

I'm obsessed with twins. I think it's partly because I was a PICU/ NICU nurse and so I worked with a lot of twins. I just think they're so special and so fun and I just loved watching your evolution of motherhood. And you look insane by the way.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

I don't feel insane, but no, you look so incredible. Growing twins is really challenging and the pregnancies are really hard, which I want to get into. But for those that don't know who Francesca is, how would you describe yourself in this stage of life right now?

[A]

Right now I am just a mother. Like I'm in the trenches of motherhood with these twins that control every single part of my day in my life. When I'm in la, I'm more of like the old me, so the like reality person. And I go to events, I go to carpets, I go out more. But in Canada, we're very chill, low key day to day, we go on walks, we go to my, my mom's house, so their grandma's house. Might go to my sister's house, we walk the dogs. Like very just normal chill.

[B]

Speaking of Canada, I wore my Canadian tuxedo for you.

[A]

Yeah, I like that.

[B]

I got dressed very accordingly. Very fitting for your, for your presence here.

[A]

Appreciate that.

[B]

And okay, so I've never in my life been to Canada. Oh wow. Yeah, it's a bucket list for me. But as everyone says, cliche. Everyone from Canada is so kind.

[A]

It's so true.

[B]

Like I've never met anyone from Canada that has a bad bone in their body. And you recently. Cuz I know you renovated your house here in la, but you recently went to Canada. Are you kind of going back and forth right now?

[A]

Yeah, we're going to go back and forth. I think I'm keeping this house probably. I can't ever see myself selling it because of the trauma that I went through with it. And the baby's first year of life was there. I have like so many like postpartum memories that I'm going to hold on to it probably forever. I don't even know I can see myself passing it down to them eventually. And it's always nice to have a little like summer getaway because the weather here is amazing. But yeah, the Canada house is going to be more full time and then

[B]

we'll come here in the winter and you're from Canada? Are you from. You're in Ontario right now? Is that where you're from?

[A]

I moved back to like literally where I was raised.

[B]

Oh, that's cool.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[B]

That's really special too, to have kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like see all the places that you grew up.

[A]

Oh yeah, all the places. I like did crazy things. I'm like, oh, I did this there, I did this there. It's like weird, it's like nostalgic. But it's nice because I feel really safe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have like my whole family's there, so it's great. With babies you need like a village. So.

[B]

Yes, and I was going to say just motherhood in general. But also having twins is another level.

[A]

Twins is. Yeah.

[B]

But once you like come into the stage of parenting, you realize how necessary it is to be close to family. Like I had lived far from my parents and then once I had kids and like before they got really established into their school years when we moved back, cuz we were in Arizona the last six years and we came back because I was like, you know, before they become too established, I want to be closer to home, closer to work. But now it's the same. We're like, we'll go to little spots and I'm like, oh, I did this when I was 10 or this when I was 15. And you know, it's really special to see your kids experience the same environment.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Besides family, was there anything else that brought you back to wanting to be in Canada as well?

[A]

As I'll add, I think safety. There's not a lot of gun violence and the schools are safe and I don't feel weird walking down the street here, like even just going a walk. I live in a safe neighborhood. Even going walk around there with the babies. I bring pepper spray and I just, I would never have to do that in Canada like at all. And even parks here, I've heard stories and we have citizen and we get like alerts every five minutes and we live in the valley, we live in like a little neighborhood. So the fact that I get alerts, like if things happening like so close to me, I'm like, I don't like feel safe here.

[B]

I was just talking to my team as we were setting up the studio that I had like some equipment locked up. And I was telling them that because we're the same, like, we're in a very safe neighborhood. We're in the Valley, we're not in the city. I don't think I have a single friend, especially in this industry, that hasn't been robbed. I don't know if, you know, if you, like, feel the same about your, like, group of friends, especially when you work in this industry. They are all so targeted or we are all so targeted. So to also live in a city that has a, A lot of violence happening and then being in the public eye, it makes it even more challenging.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you have kids and you're

[A]

like, okay, yeah, it's, it's insane.

[B]

It's crazy, right? It's, it makes me really sad. It makes me sad. And I, I, I chose to put my kids in a very secure school for that reason. And like, my husband and I both grew up in public school and didn't have a lot of money. But I, I got to a point where I was like, it doesn't matter what it takes. I just want my kids to be safe. And I didn't feel safe sending them to school, especially with all of the shootings that were going on.

[A]

We had our 17 year old in a public school for a couple months and they were only there for a couple months and they had like three, like fake, false, I don't know what it's called, but like lockdowns, like threats. Yeah. And I was like, no. Like, this is, this is insane. It's just so scary. Like you can't.

[B]

The world we live in. I know. Our four year old came home and told us that they were, it wasn't a real drill, but they were doing like practice drills, you know, and it's like the fact that my preschooler has to worry about that makes me so sad for this makes my heart race.

[A]

Yeah. I just can't.

[B]

Yeah. So you're also a stepmom. Yes, and I'm a stepmom. And I have so many questions for you because your story is so interesting. But what was your journey like when you met Jesse? Knowing that he had a child? Did that, that change your dynamic? Did that make you kind of cautious and on edge or feel any, any type of way?

[A]

It made me more attracted to him because he raised Arlo basically single and solo. And I knew he was capable of being a great parent. So it definitely would made me more attracted to him because when I met him, I was in the Phase of starting to settle down. So I was like, oh, he did it. I have really bad anxiety with a lot of things, especially the thought of raising a baby. And he just knew, like, so many things that I didn't know. So that going into it, I knew that he was going to be a great dad because I saw him be a great dad. So it was so attractive to me. And I thought Arlo was so cool. I think they were, like, 12, and then now 17, almost 18, which is insane. They're going to be, like, an adult, which is. I just can't. But they have the best relationship, and I know that he's going to. I mean, he is the best dad to the twins.

[B]

So, yeah, I was the same. I was very young, but I. I knew I wanted to be a mom. And I think when you're at a certain level of maturity and you see your significant other be a parent, it puts them at a different level because they have to prioritize their life. So much different.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Than people our age. You know, they're not going out, they're not partying, or they shouldn't be, at least if they're good parents, you know, like our spouses were. But I just think, you know, when you know what you want in life and you see that, it is such an attraction, and then it makes you want more babies, you know, I tell

[A]

Jesse every day, I'm like, should we go back to the IVF clinic? It's so close. I'm like, what if we just stop in? You, like, have a check on our embryos? Like, see how they're doing in the freezer?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I think about it a lot.

[B]

How so? Speaking of your IVF journey, how was it? Because I have so many friends that have gone through it, and, like, being on the hormones and going through that experience is very traumatizing, emotionally and physically.

[A]

Yeah, it was rough. It was rough. And as, like, a queer couple, I wish we went about it a different way. Like, we just did IUI Maybe first, if you know what that is. Yeah, they just kind of inject the sperm instead of doing the embryo transfer. But we were kind of uneducated in that way. So if I had advice to a queer couple, it would be maybe try IUI first before going into the embryo transfers. Because the embryo transfers, it's like a whole different story. Like, you have to do the egg retrieval, and then you have to do, like. Like, six, seven months of hormones and all that. It was a lot. But that's why also, having Another baby is stressful because the thought of doing all that all over again with twins and with a 17 year old, I'm like, how does one find the time? Like, it's just. There's no. I don't even have time now. So the thought of doing all that and having time for that, I don't even know. But yeah, it is a lot, but it's worth it. Like, you forget. You forget all the trauma that you go through the second you get pregnant, and then all your focus is about keeping the baby healthy. I have scar tissue everywhere, but that's it. That's like all the memories I have. Like, you just forget about it.

[B]

All felt the same when I was like, okay, let's have another one. And you forget, like, how sick you are in the beginning or like, how challenging your first trimester is. How was sickness for you? Because I know with twins your hormones are so much.

[A]

I couldn't like, stand up for, like, weeks. I was. I would, like, crawl to the bathroom. It was bad, but I didn't realize, like, that was kind of fun because I was in bed all day for, like, weeks. I had nothing to do but watch, like, cheesy TV shows and doom scroll, which going back, obviously it was a lot, but it, like, it was kind of nice because it was kind of relaxing, you know?

[B]

Well, and also, like, your body was prepping for being a twin mom because you're able to rest all day then going to absolutely zero sleep.

[A]

I just slept all day and now I sleep like nothing. So.

[B]

Yeah. And how old are the twins right now?

[A]

16 months.

[B]

16 months. Yeah. You're in the trenches.

[A]

I know, but they're so. Oh, my God. That's actually insane.

[B]

The names.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Poetry and Lock.

[A]

It controversial.

[B]

But you have unique names too. Yeah, see, I don't. The controversial name thing is crazy to me because if they worked in pediatric nursing and saw some of the names that I would see on a daily basis, and I'm never going to say them because that's violating hipaa. But our names are nothing compared to what's out there.

[A]

I think our names are so chill,

[B]

like Poetry and Lock. How. How can you say that? Those are controversial. I think they're beautiful. I think they're classy. And the biggest thing you have to think about when you name a baby is what does this sound like as an adult? You know? And I don't think people, like, think that far out. And I think they're beautiful names.

[A]

Yeah, I think they're normal. Obviously, most people think people Are giving me, like, death threats. They're like, you don't deserve to own have a child. You don't deserve to be a parent. I'm like, it's not literally, not that deep.

[B]

No.

[A]

It's not. Like, there are people that name their kids bad names, But Poetry and Locket are a little out there. But they're nice words. They're like, beautiful words. So I love them.

[B]

Do they have middle names?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What are the middle names?

[A]

So Poetry's middle name is Lucia, after my mom. And then Locket's middle name, I. I left up to Jesse.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was like, you pick. I want to leave this hospital. I don't. I don't care. We had, like, four options. And I'm like, it's up to you. If you want to name him after your dad or pick something random, go for it. And he chose romance. So it's Locket, Romance, Love, Love.

[B]

Where did Poetry and lock it originally come from?

[A]

I did a name consultation before I was pregnant.

[B]

You can do that?

[A]

Oh, my God. I am obsessed with baby names and baby name Tik Tockers, baby name influencers. I follow all of them, and their just. Whole page is just baby name suggestions. You could pay for consultations. So I paid for a few consultations. And this one baby name consultation consultation lady that I love, I love her content. She has unique names. She recommended Poet. And I was like, wait, poet is so good, but I like longer. So I was. I. I'm so stupid. I googled words that have Poet in it. And then Poetry came up, and I'm like, wait, I'm actually so dumb. And then I was like, wait, Poetry is gorgeous. And this is before I was even pregnant.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then we just kind of kept hanging on to it. We had other options, and nothing. We didn't like anything more. And then lock it. Jesse gave me a locket for Valentine's Day. We were, like, blackout drunk in, like, this cabin and Joshua Tree. And we're like, what if we name the baby locket one day? And we're like, we could do locket Valentine. Which we did almost use Valentine, but Jesse's brother claimed it was like, I want to use Valentine one day, so you can't use Valentine.

[B]

I respect that.

[A]

And they didn't use Valentine. They just had a baby. I know.

[B]

Well, maybe next one.

[A]

Yeah, next one. But, yeah, so that's where they came from.

[B]

I also love the name Arlo that was actually on my baby name list.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I don't know if you feel the Same. But I felt like naming a boy was much harder than a girl. I don't know if you felt like boy names were.

[A]

We were doing gender neutral, so. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Because I knew, I knew I wanted to name a daughter after my dad. My dad's Steve. So that's where Stevie came from.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then my husband's dad is Lee. So it's Stevie Lee after both of our dads.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

But then when I found out I was pregnant with a boy, I was like, what the hell do I name boy?

[A]

Names are harder because girls can have more of a gender neutral name and then boys kind of can't. Yes, unfortunately.

[B]

Because it can pull a little more feminine.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

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[A]

We met on TikTok, which is insane iconic. Yeah, So I did. Tick Tock reached out to me when I was in Mexico during COVID and said, hey, we have this Pride event we would love for you to host. Willow Smith is performing. It was all via Live, via Zoom. So I hosted this event. I interviewed three people. He was one of the people I interviewed, and we met via Zoom. And I remember on the Zoom, I was. I was doing shots and I had pink eye actually on the rehearsals, but I was in a bikini top because I was in Mexico and I was like, so chill.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, and no one's gonna ignore those.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. So he. He saw the bikini top, and after the live finished, I had messaged him and I was like, you did so good. Like, that was so nice. And he was like, would you ever come to la? And I was like, it's on, it's on. I, like, ran around the house after, and I was like, I'm gonna date this person. Like, I'm gonna date him. And then I came to LA and. Yeah, well, never stopped talking.

[B]

Did you know he was trans? Yeah. When you met him and I. I saw you doing some sort of interview saying that you had never seriously dated someone that was trans. Was anything different about that for you, or did it just feel so natural that it wasn't even a thought in your mind?

[A]

It did feel natural, but there's things you have to learn about the person, like, in regards to what they're comfortable with, things like that, and, like, sexually what they're comfortable with, and just terminology that they're comfortable with. So I think learning that. But once I knew everything in that regard, it was easy. It was just like, yeah, a normal situation.

[B]

I also think when people are open and understanding and you're very much that type of person, I think you just love a person, like, it doesn't matter. And, you know, I feel like, especially when people come out later in life and people can be so judgmental and be like, I don't understand how this. How you were married to someone, you know, and you were straight and now you're coming out as gay. It. Because I have friends that have experienced that. But I'm like, when you just love a person, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who they are, what they identify as. Like, you just love the person and the soul and the human being that they are.

[A]

I don't see Jesse as like, a. A trans guy. I just see him as a guy.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want to know about your home remodel because we were just talking a little bit before we started recording that. I just redid my house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know when you buy a house and you, like, have this, like, Pinterest board of ideas, you're like, oh, it's going to be so beautiful. And you don't know what the headache is that comes with it.

[A]

No.

[B]

Until you're in it. I can't complain, though, because hearing your shit that you went through, I'm like, oh, my God. So three years.

[A]

Yeah, three years.

[B]

And is it. It's done now? It.

[A]

There's things that need to get fixed still, but it's done officially also.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

I think your house is insane.

[B]

Oh, thank you. But no, your house is.

[A]

No, my house is like a 2 out of 10 compared to yours.

[B]

That is not true.

[A]

Yes, yours is ad worthy. I designed my house, like, three years ago, four years ago when I bought it, and my style has changed so much since then. I was like, more of like, neutral beige, which is a great canvas, but I wish I did more like yours. Like, when I redid my bathroom, I got a lot of inspo from your kitchen. Oh, thank you, Viola Marble.

[B]

I got eaten the fuck alive on TikTok.

[A]

I know. Which is dial you. Oh, me and my sister were raving about your house this morning. We're like, I don't even understand how anyone could. The bathrooms, the kids bathrooms. It's like, I don't want to swear,

[B]

but it's like, oh, you can swear. You can swear.

[A]

Demolished.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

The renovation, it's so. Even, this room, it's like, ridiculous.

[B]

Thank you very.

[A]

Like, I want you to style my house.

[B]

I mean, if you want anything, you

[A]

should start a business.

[B]

Well, I worked with an interior designer, so I can't take all the credit, but she probably thought I was absolutely psycho because the second I hired her, I literally sent her an email at, like, one in the morning of a full Canva presentation of, like, all of my screenshots from Pinterest, of, like, Stevie's bathroom, Ziggy's bathroom, primary bedroom podcast studio. Like, I. I just knew what I wanted, and I think I wanted it to be something that was felt, lived in, because realistically, we have little kids Like, I can't have a stark white couch. I can't have furniture that they can't sit on and like actually eat. And that's why we did like a dining bench that like felt more livable and you know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

It's funny because hate online is, is just a whole subject we could talk about for three hours and I'm sure you understand that. But when it comes to hate on like the stuff style of my house, it's one of the one things that truly will never bother me because everyone has different style.

[A]

It's like hate on a baby name.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Doesn't bother me. Cuz it's just not your cup of tea. But it's mine.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Get engagement rings.

[B]

Like, babe, you're not living in my house. You're not in my kitchen every day.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

If I walked into a house that have had a farmhouse kitchen or a very modern kitchen that was very cold and stark white, I also wouldn't prefer that. Would I leave a hate comment and tell someone that her kitchen's ugly as fuck? No. I'd be like, period. Like, you're happy, I'm happy. But I'm in my kitchen every day cooking and I love the way it looks. So that's all.

[A]

The haters are funny though, because I, I acknowledged them a couple of times on my Snapchat and I was like, you guys just. This is at the beginning when I first discovered that they were like really, really hating. I'm like, please get a hobby. Like, I feel bad for you. Like, please get a hobby. And then they were like, this is my hobby. My hobby is hating. And I'm like, all right, fair, honestly, go off like, if that's what you love to do and you love to hate, like, good for you, I guess, like, thanks for the views.

[B]

But imagine, you know, that miserable.

[A]

Like that's what. No, but this is fun for them. They love it.

[B]

Yeah. I just, I've gone to a point too where Julia Fox talked about this, I think on like the Drew Barrymore show or something, and she's like, oh. I just leave hate comments up because I find it so embarrassing for them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the amount of times I click on someone's profile and it's their actual profile and it's like blessed mom of four or whatever. And it like, like they like tag their like, workplace and like their husband. And I'm like, but everyone that you're like associated with sees that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're being so mean.

[A]

It's embarrassing.

[B]

Why do you have so much hate in your heart.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, it's okay. They need a hobby or a therapist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I'm like, therapy saved me. If you guys want Stephanie's number, my therapist just let me know. Okay. You were just in Korea.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Were you filming something?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Can you talk about it?

[A]

It's a reality show. It's super chill. I'm allowed to talk about it and even like post me filming it, which was so weird because that never happens. Yeah, it's just this like a e commerce competition against a bunch of other countries and I'm on Team USA and. Yeah, that's it.

[B]

And you did two reality shows prior to this, right?

[A]

Yes. Yes. Two full ones.

[B]

You did Too Hot to handle Perfect Match. Perfect Match. And then this is number three.

[A]

Yeah, I did A little bit of Love is Blind. I dabbled into that for a sec.

[B]

That's right. I loved when you talked about being on reality tv, about how boring your cast was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you were like, can we, like, make things more exciting?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think people don't realize that's part of reality TV and that people can get a lot of hate from reality tv, but, like, if they're doing it right, they're creating attention and drama and, like, they're making it worth watching.

[A]

Worth watching, you know?

[B]

And like, you did that, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You knew. You knew what to do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And before that you did like Instagram modeling, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

I was like a little Instagram thought, like posing on the beach, like, period. Yeah.

[B]

And your kids are going to look back at that and be like,

[A]

oh, no, I'm going to have to explain that to them one day. Like. Yeah. So.

[B]

Well, that's how they live their life,

[A]

you know, Won't be on the air anymore at that point.

[B]

Mommy's providing.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

You know.

[A]

Exactly. They're going to be. They're going to be happy. They have their. What they have.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I trust funds, all that stuff. They're going to be stoked.

[B]

Exactly. And I think it also depends, like, okay, if you're giving your like 8 year old an iPhone with social media, sure, it's not appropriate, but like, if you're waiting to an appropriate age where you can explain to them, like, what you do for a living, why you've done it, that's different.

[A]

Yeah. They're going to think it's cool.

[B]

Yeah. Does Arlo have social media?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And are there restrictions about that?

[A]

So Arlo didn't really start, like, they had A private Instagram account up until really recently. And then they've had their tick tock kind of more recently too. But now they're posting content now, like actively. They weren't before at all, but they think they found their niche. I love that very artistic cosplay makeup, cool things like that. But they're the coolest 17 year old ever. But we're very limited with what we share about them on our page because they're very specific on, like, which angles they like and how they want to be shown and things like that. So we either don't include them or if they're included, we have to get approval first for sure before we post

[B]

anything, which is important because for sure, it's already difficult being a teenager in this day and age, let alone having, you know, public parents and a public

[A]

family and the haters. The haters. It gets like pushed onto them even

[B]

knowing, you know, that they're a kid, technically child, you know, so. Yeah, yeah, it's really hard in Korea. I need to know because I'm a skincare junkie. Did you do any. Get any Korean skin care?

[A]

I was only there for a couple of days, so I didn't. I spent the days I had off. I only had a day and a half off, but I spent those days eating and exploring.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You like bulldog? Yeah. Okay, so I make a mean bulldog ramen.

[A]

I've seen these videos.

[B]

Yeah, well, we'll have to. We'll have to have you back and we'll make some ramen. But what. Tell me about what you ate.

[A]

I didn't. Okay, so I don't like Korean barbecue and there was those everywhere. I've just dabbled into like eating meat again recently.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I was eating like pizza, ramen, desserts, matcha, like that kind of vibe. And it was so. Oh, my God, the food there is insane. I feel so good.

[B]

Food in, in different countries is just a different level. And I think it's just because as Americans, it's. We just eat the same thing all the time. I don't know. Like when I'm in Paris though, I just want like a baguette with like some turkey or ham and cheese. Like, I'm such a simple.

[A]

The carbs just slap so hard in Europe.

[B]

Yes, they do.

[A]

And they don't make you bloated.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Why do you come back smaller every single time?

[B]

Every time.

[A]

Every single time.

[B]

Well, also, you're walking a lot, though.

[A]

Yeah, that's different. True.

[B]

That's different. Okay. I want to Go back into pregnancy, childbirth, postpartum, because I've been through it, and I get how hard it is. So pregnancy was obviously very difficult with the twins. How long did you carry?

[A]

36 and five days.

[B]

Oh, that's great. Yeah, that's wonderful. What were the birth weight?

[A]

Almost six and five and a bit.

[B]

Whoa, dude, that's killer.

[A]

I know. And I had three placentas, so it was, like, a lot. I don't even know. IVF has all these embryo transfers, have all these complications that they don't tell you about until it's happening. Lockett had two placentas. One of them was, like, so sewn in, basically, to my uterus, so I literally almost bled out. Had to get a hysterectomy. It was insane. Craziest thing I've ever experienced. Poetry. Only had one. Both of their placentas were, like, bi lobe, so their umbilical cord wasn't in, like, the meaty part of it. It was on the end. It's just all these things that were happening throughout the whole thing. I had a short cervix. I was stressed the whole time. I was getting ultrasounds, like, multiple times a week because I was like, I'm gonna give a preterm birth. They're gonna come out at 24 weeks. I was so stressed. It was a lot of complications that had to do with ivf, but ended up all fine. I had this great OBGYN who actually delivered Haley Bieber's baby a couple months before me. And I just saw her. She did a podcast about how Haley almost bled.

[B]

I watched that.

[A]

Yeah, I watched that. So that was my obgyn.

[B]

Oh, my God. Amazing. She's incredible.

[A]

She saved me.

[B]

I could. I could just tell from the way she is. She's so educated and knowledgeable and truly puts the mom first. And I loved her perspective.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I would have lost my uterus if I didn't have her.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you know you're pregnant with twins?

[A]

Right away, we inserted two.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So exciting.

[B]

Yeah. I'm trying to get my husband to do that, and he's like, all right,

[A]

twins is actually crazier than you think. I don't know.

[B]

No, I. I can't even imagine. Like, when I had Stevie, I was still working full time as a nurse and doing social media full time. And then I also had just a toddler and a newborn. I was overwhelmed having two newborns at the same exact time.

[A]

That's why people come up to us. They're like, oh, twins is My dream. I'm like, have a different dream. Yeah, like it is a lot harder. And would I do it again? No. Like if I had a choice, I would never do it again.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Twins.

[B]

No, just because of it being so challenging.

[A]

It's insane. Yeah, it's crazy.

[B]

Well, I was just watching your like a morning vlog and you're like cooking in the kitchen and talking about putting a little bit of dairy in their food and you're opening boxes and I'm like, I just know the chaos going around. Like, yeah, it's insane because it's constantly something, never have a break.

[A]

They feed off of each other too. And they fight and they hit each other and they steal each other's toys and they're both like chaotic. Like if one's in a good mood but the other one's in a bad mood, they're both be in a bad mood. Like they both need to be in the same mood at all times. Like they look at each other and they copy. What? It works out to our advantage too because they play together and they want to be like the other baby. So they just like watch each other all day and copy. But Lockett was throwing tantrums for a week. He stopped and now Poetry is throwing tantrums cuz she like watches him and she copies him. So it's just.

[B]

It's kind of the same with when you take your kids to play dates or like your kids come home from school and all of a sudden start saying like the craziest. And I'm like, where did you learn

[A]

that it makes sense into adulthood. We get influenced as well.

[B]

So yes, it's so true. Are they on the same sleep schedule?

[A]

So no. No. I mean, yes, kind of. We sync their naps now because were able to at their age now, but before, no, they were. He needed two naps different times of the day, she needed one. Trying to sink them was just chaos. It just wouldn't work. So we just realized, okay, they're two different babies, they have two different needs. Like he would nap in the morning, she would nap after, and then he would have another little nap. So it was like just our lives revolved around like bottles naps and all that. But now that they only have one nap a day at the same time, it's easier. Yeah. Because they'll both go down at the same time. We have like that hour to like do whatever we need to do.

[B]

It's also hard too when you're in that multiple nap phases. Especially with two different kids napping at different times. It's like you feel like you can't leave the house.

[A]

No.

[B]

Cuz you're like, I'm just waiting for nap time. Oh no, this baby has to go down. Oh, this one needs a bottle.

[A]

We would get hate about us not leaving a lot and I was like, literally how it's not fun if we leave. We're just stressed the whole time, you

[B]

know, that's just so insane. Like to tell a new mom of twins, like, you should get out more, babe. You don't think I want to feel the sun on my face?

[A]

I know. And my best friend actually had. It's crazy. She had twins as well. She, they were born two months preemie, so they were born a week before ours. But it always made me feel better when we would talk. Cuz she was going through the exact same thing as me and she's like, I can't leave the house, I can't do this. I'm like, okay, that makes me feel better. Cuz same.

[B]

And obviously they're walking. When did they start taking their first steps?

[A]

Christmas. So a year and a month.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. And did they start walking at the same time?

[A]

She started walking first and then he was watching her like so intently and he would look at us and look at her. We're like, yeah, go for it. And then one day her, she was walking off and on for a while and. But one day he just stood up and then that was it. He was running. It was like zero crawling. Because I think he could. He just didn't have the confidence.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To do it. But now they're, they're sprinting like they want to run faster than me. I'm like, damn. Yeah.

[B]

And there's two of them and they probably different direction. Yes. Whoa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are they sleeping through the night Locket

[A]

just started sleeping through the night like four nights ago. Last night he slept. He wakes up, he tosses and turns and whatever. But he just started and I was like like this morning I woke up early and I was like, I woke up before him. I'm like, wait, am I rested?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do I feel okay?

[B]

And you like question because you think something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're like, what happened?

[A]

Yeah. It took me longer to slee than it took him because I was waking up naturally because he would wake up. So when he started sleeping through the night like a week ago, I was up all night and I was like, this is weird. Like I'm like checking his breathing. I'm like, are you good? Like, are you not going to Wake up. Like, it was weird.

[B]

I was, like, constantly putting my finger under their nose.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, they still wear their outlets.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I took mine off of Stevie when she was, like, nine months old because she was such a kicker. She was also, like, a massive baby.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, she wasn't fitting in her swaddles anymore.

[A]

That changes things when they come out big, because I feel like it changes. Like, they're just easier, I think, when they're a little bit more plump.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they have less issues in kind. Like less stomach issues, less gird issues, less reflux.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're a little bit more cooked.

[B]

How about your babies? Have they had, like. Yeah, well, yeah, a little more cooked. It's so true. Except my kids were, like, overly cooked. Like, it was good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you know my husband was born 13 pounds, 8 ounces.

[A]

My God, it's. Poor mother.

[B]

I was born 10 pounds flat.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

I know. What were they born so ziggy a week early was 8 pounds, 1 ounce. And they wanted to induce me a week early so I could try a vaginal delivery because his head Circumference was measuring 42 weeks, so. And they call it, like, the woods head my husband's side, because, like, he just has a huge head. I tell him it's because he's so smart. He doesn't like that joke. But with Stevie. So anyways, I labored for 43 hours. I ended up being emergency C section anyways. And then Stevie was. Huh? Stevie was a week early as well. She was 8 pounds, 4 ounces.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

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[A]

Oh, my God. Good for you.

[B]

Honestly, isn't that crazy? Like, like, just.

[A]

She probably slept great.

[B]

Okay, I will. Ziggy was actually a better sleeper than she was, but she was more just like, attached to me. And Ziggy loved binkies. Stevie. I bought probably 30 different. Like, any. Every binky on the market you could think of. I bought because she hated them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So she just wanted my boob. So that didn't help the sleeping situation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But. So my boobs are like pacifiers, which is why I had to get a lift because. Oh, girl, they were touching my hips.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy. I have, like, implants already and the breastfeeding.

[B]

Your boobs look really good, though. They, like, sit

[A]

the babies. Literally pull up my skin, extra skin all day. I'm like, yeah, you did that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that was you, by the way.

[B]

100. Yeah. I remember her breastfeeding on my lap. And she would, like, like, pull, like.

[A]

Yeah. I'm like, please.

[B]

Why is it, like, pulling out?

[A]

To hear the extra skin is insane.

[B]

No, it's insane.

[A]

Like, great.

[B]

And I went into my doctor because I naturally had bigger boobs, and then breastfeeding, you know, just destroyed him. And so I went into my doctor and I was like, I just want, like, an implant to kind of feel, like, the loose skin. Yeah. And she was like, you need a lift? And I was like, I don't want to lift. Like, you know, I want them to sit natural and I don't want, like, a big scar.

[A]

Scar. Yeah.

[B]

She was like, well, let's do the pencil test. I was humbled.

[A]

Like, the under over the pencil, and

[B]

it has to stay with your arms up and. Oh, they stayed. Yeah, they were cemented in there. But I will say she did a great job. And I don't have an anchor scar.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I only have, like, one vertical scar under my nipple.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So just food for thought. If you ever do that.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Speaking of plastic surgery, I think you're, like, one of the prettiest people I've ever met. So I want to know everything you've ever gotten done.

[A]

I think you're one of the most prettiest people ever. You're so hot. No, your body.

[B]

No, Are your body. No. You just had twins 16 months ago. We, like, start fighting right now. Okay. So you got boobs?

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Anything else?

[A]

I have lip filler, obviously. I have chin filler that I recently got redone.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Dissolved it before I got pregnant.

[B]

Chin filler is crazy. What a difference it makes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I got one time, and it was.

[A]

I had. So I have a bum chin that got filled when I was a lot younger. And then I dissolved it all because I realized I literally, my chin was

[B]

like, out to here.

[A]

I'm like, why did no one tell me? The nurses just kept adding and adding over years and I was like, oh, we gotta dissolve. So I dissolved all of it, got pregnant, and then after, like, a couple months ago, I got it a little bit more filled in there. So I have that Botox. I need Botox so bad right now, though. It's gone, it's dissolved.

[B]

You need to go to my girl Anouche. Dude, she, like, changed my life. The Botox and lips, she's so good.

[A]

Okay, you gotta give me your contact.

[B]

Yeah, I will. Okay. So you're just naturally born that way. Got it. I'm like, cool. I thought you're gonna be like, and I got this done and this done. You're like, no, blessed. Hashtag blessed.

[A]

My mom.

[B]

Oh, really? Wait, what's your ethnicity?

[A]

Italian.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, I'm a town. I think I'm only like 25. Italian. And then I have a lot of native American in me, actually. So the tan, I'm like, we're blessed with it when it comes to tanning.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

I want to know your day to day life right now because I know you're. You're kind of slowing down a little bit.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

The trenches of motherhood. So, like, what's a normal off camera day look like for you guys?

[A]

Well, we film the off days too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Definitely show, like, the crazy parts of it. But wake up, feel like I'm dying for a couple hours. Have coffee, we'll go for a walk or a drive. Because we're in Canada, and it was. The winter was insane. It was like you were there for winter. Yeah, girl. Oh, my God. Worst decision of my life, literally. We moved in November, and it was the worst Canadian winter in history, apparently. I'm like, great.

[B]

Said, of course, it was obviously, so.

[A]

Couldn't really leave the house a lot because it was too cold or the roads were too bad. I'm not taking the babies out if the roads are bad because it's just not worth the risk.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Especially we had a big, like, Escalade, but I was like, it's not worth it. So most days we wouldn't leave the house. We would try and go for walks, but their little face would be literally frozen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was like, they, like, we can keep warmers on them all we want, but they rip them off. They rip their gloves off. But they did love the snow. So wake up, try and do some sort of activity. We'll drive the. To my mom's house if we want to. Spend time with the dogs, make lunch, do naps, wake up, work, edit film, and then do dinner time at bedtime and then watch an episode of Grim and go to bed.

[B]

What's Grim?

[A]

It's like a supernatural kind of show. It's really cheesy, but I like how it's cheesy because it. I don't want anything too. It's serious, but it's cheesy. So the cheesiness just lets me, like, relax.

[B]

Allows you to disconnect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Shows like that. That's why I asked.

[A]

It's really cheesy.

[B]

Cheesy. Okay. Yeah. Do you know what else is cheesy? That I love Virgin River.

[A]

Oh, I haven't seen that.

[B]

Okay. See, I'm like, not a. I'm like, not a super cheesy show type person, but I started watching it because the main character is a nurse. She's having trouble with, like, fertility issues, and she moves this tiny little town. Apparently, it did well because they're on season seven.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

But if you want like, a. A very cheesy kind of, like, country show that, like, you can fully dis. Disconnect.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because that's what I need. I can't watch the drama stuff. I can't watch shows that make me stressed. And when you're on your phone all day working, like, you have to disconnect.

[A]

Disconnect. Yeah. Turn off your brain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, Grandma. I'm gonna add that it is a

[A]

little bit like, edge of your cd, though.

[B]

Oh, that's fine.

[A]

Yeah, that's fine. It's like. I mean, watch your trailer. You'll see the vibes. It's very, like, supernatural.

[B]

All right. Do you guys do all your own filming and editing?

[A]

Yeah, I do this. I don't trust anybody else. Okay.

[B]

I'm the same way. I feel like that's very rare. Yeah. Because a lot of people I talk to in this industry have editors or people that help them film, which is. There's no issue with that at all. I just feel like you're maybe not as, like, connected with your audience or like, they can tell a difference when you're hiring out to edit. But also, I'm too much of a control freak to let go of the control.

[A]

Yeah. Because they would do it, and then you just have to, like, fix it and.

[B]

Yeah, and I've tried that before where I, like, I will send it to someone and then do, like, a trial, and then immediately I'm like, oh, I'm. I'm just gonna redo the whole.

[A]

Yeah. Your videos are great.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

I love your videos.

[B]

Thank you. I. I feel like I'm wearing thin. Like, back when I was first growing on social media, I would do, like, five TikToks a day. And I look back, I'm like, how did I do that?

[A]

That's insane. That's a lot.

[B]

Yeah. Not anymore. She's retired. She's retired. I want to know, because obviously your relationship is so public. How do you guys keep your relationship so healthy with it being so public and online?

[A]

I think we went through so much as a couple since the day we met. So we've just, like, developed this, like, really good base that, like, no matter what happens, we know we're going to be okay at the end of the day. Like, we know we're soulmates, and we know, like, nothing's going to change that. So if a bunch of, like, frivolous, silly things happen, we just remember, like, our foundation, and that keeps us strong.

[B]

You mean you went through a lot publicly, privately?

[A]

Both. Both, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Do people give you hate because Jesse's trans?

[A]

Yeah. Well, he kind of gets more of the hate, but I still get hate about it. But it doesn't bother us because the worst thing people say is, oh, two women, lesbians. Like, okay, come up with something new. Like, that's literally not even offensive.

[B]

The original.

[A]

Yeah. Like, so that's kind of all that happens now. But it was hard because when I did Perfect Match, I got a really bad edit on the show. Like, awful. So we Got a lot of hate from that. And then he kind of gets hate every single day. Just who he is as a human. And then obviously, everything going on in America right now, it's not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At all. So. But yeah, we just have a great foundation and we argue and we fight more now that we have kids. Like, we're running on no sleep. We have to parent three kids. But I just know we're solid no matter what. And since we both have that in the back of our heads, we can, like, tackle anything.

[B]

I didn't watch your season of Perfect Match, so I didn't know.

[A]

Yeah, no.

[B]

So I didn't. I don't know what your edit was. Did they just make you look like a villain or what?

[A]

They basically said, like, they promised me my own show after, so the producers.

[B]

Yes, of course they did.

[A]

Of course they did. And so if something. If I was being boring, they would pull me and say, spice it up or whatever. So I would do whatever they said, and I was extra on it because I wanted to make a good show, and I just trusted them too much with the material that they were given.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the. At the way that they, like, if anyone said anything, like, positive, they would clip in a face that I made for something completely unrelated, and I would just be like. But it wasn't what the person was talking about. They would just clip it in. So that was a little bit traumatic to get through. But I feel like now it's kind of. It worked out because you get to a point where you're kind of, like, uncancelable because you've already been through it all. Like, Tana Mojo, I guess, would be an example of that. She's, like, uncancelable now. Like, she can say crazy and it doesn't matter. So that kind of helped because I can say a little bit more controversial things if I wanted to and because I don't have, like, a clean image, you know?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. That's crazy. I also think that's why reality TV is so scary, because it's completely out

[A]

of your control, and a lot of people go into it knowing that. So a lot of people are very, like, timid and kind of, like, watch what they say, but you can't watch what you say, and you kind of can't be timid. You just have to hope that it works out, because if you are more timid and you're not yourself, then you'll just be a side character.

[B]

It's crazy that you. That was your life. Like, what. How many years ago. Five years ago.

[A]

I think Perfect Match came out in 2023.

[B]

So that was 2024. And look at you now.

[A]

I know.

[B]

She said mom of two. I know twins well. Three.

[A]

Yeah. Three.

[B]

Wow.

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[B]

Okay. Also, your ring's insane.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

It's, like, distracting me. The design is so good. Did he design it?

[A]

Yes, he did.

[B]

Oh, covered in baby sunscreen. He did such a good job.

[A]

I know. He really did such a good job.

[B]

And are we wedding planning?

[A]

I was so dumb. I was like, I'm gonna start wedding planning when the babies are, like three months old, thinking that I was gonna have free time.

[B]

Baby.

[A]

So delusional. Yeah, like, there was a. I think a Us Weekly or something article that came out when I said that I was going to start planning when the babies were three months old, and everyone was like, she has no idea. I'm like, you guys don't understand. I'm going to have time. No, I still don't have time. Like, I literally don't have time. But the goal is to start. But I think we're going to do something more low key. Maybe like Como, but like small group, like family, friends only. And just keep it chill and like,

[B]

give me, like, the Pinterest board dream. So obviously Lake Como, something small. What's your style of dress?

[A]

I don't know. I tried on a bunch when I was. We were wedding planning and I have no idea. Yeah, okay. Yeah, White. Multiple outfit changes, obviously bridesmaids, if there is any in red, like a dark red I like a lot of, like, just cut earth, but, like, moody, goth in a way. Like, dark.

[B]

It's very you guys.

[A]

Yeah, like Kourtney Kardashian's wedding kind of vibe. Not her dress. I wasn't a huge fan of her dress, but I liked, like, the roses and, like, that vibe.

[B]

I know why. But it's really hard for me in a ceremony dress for it to be short. I'm fine with dress. I'm fine with an afterparty slash, like, reception dress being short. It wasn't my top pick.

[A]

For sure.

[B]

Yeah, I get the vibe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, the vibe is almost there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you're like, I would never.

[A]

No, yeah, I get you.

[B]

You know what's funny is our 10 year vow renewal is coming up in June 1st. Is 10 years married. And we were really broke when we got married. So we had a Courthouse wedding for $75. So we were always like, 10 years. We're gonna do this vow renewal and have, like, the wedding we never had. And that felt like, so long. Like, we were like, that's so far away. That's 10 years. And then January hit, and I was like, holy. Our vowel is supposed to be in six months. We haven't planned anything still no.

[A]

Oh, yeah, maybe.

[B]

And I don't have new twins. Like, you know, I really need to get it together, but life gets in the way.

[A]

It's. There's not enough hours in the day. I say this every single day. I'm like, how am I supposed to do all of this in one day? There's not enough time.

[B]

Also, can I do. Just say it's like, these types of events have gotten so out of hand that it's like you need so long in advance to plan, and also you

[A]

want to enjoy it. Like, we did a crazy baby shower. Very extravagant. It was like a wedding. And I had. It was. I had the worst day ever. It was not fun. I was, like, pulled in all these directions all day. Like, I never got to sit and, like, sit down, and I was pregnant and, like, enjoy a second. It was like, the most stressful day of my life. Well, not the most, but high up there on the list of stressful days. And I was like, if we do a wedding, it can't be like that. Like, I want to enjoy myself. So I think all these things go into a wedding or an event. And then I hear this all the time, that people don't really even enjoy their day.

[B]

So, yeah, you need to do, like a. I'm like, telling you what to Do. But you should do like a no phones disconnect. Have your closest people and just enjoy your day.

[A]

I want to do, like, like two weddings. So the first day we're. Or the second day, whatever day, we go in our outfits, we get all the content with everything we want in our glam and in our outfits, all of that. So the next day I know I have the photos already ready that I want, and then we could just chill and then all the photos that day can be candid.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Like, I don't want to spend the baby shower. Felt like just content all day and like, getting. Having to talk to everyone and take pictures with everyone all day. And I was like, oh, I hate this. This. Like, when we got engaged, we dressed up in our outfits the next day and got all our content. Like, literally. We got photos that night too, but we didn't like any of them. And I was like, instead of spending another hour here taking more pictures, let's just get ready again. So we literally got ready, went back and just ran around and got our pictures that day. And it was the best because we got to enjoy our engagement, not worry about any of the content.

[B]

And also if you get it done first, because I stress about content, like, if I'm doing something, I'm like, I hope I got a good photo.

[A]

I hope I got all day. You're stressed about content. Your brain does not turn off.

[B]

No.

[A]

Ever.

[B]

So if you get it done first and then do it the next day,

[A]

you can enjoy yourself. Yeah.

[B]

Because then you can fully relax.

[A]

Yeah. My. Like, yesterday it was Easter, and my sister's like, get off your phone. I'm like, no, you don't get it. Easter for people who aren't content creators is a day off. But Easter, if you're a content creator, you have to create content of the day.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's like, it never. Especially on a busier day or a day that you like a vacation. There's never a vacation because vacations are just content the entire time. Yeah.

[B]

Especially holidays.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is funny because people. And they'll tell you, like, in the comments, like, why don't you just take a day off with your family? I'm like, because I got bills to pay, girl. Like, this is our job and we're so lucky to do it. But, like, you know, you have. You have to take it seriously and you have to do it right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's what it is to be a successful content creator.

[A]

Yeah. Like, unless I'm physically sick or, like, extremely hungover, I. All my Brain thinks about his content.

[B]

Yeah, but that's why you're so successful.

[A]

Likewise. Come on, look at your house.

[B]

Okay, I want to know how having the twins has changed you as a person.

[A]

Well, when you have kids I think you're. You don't even really prioritize yourself anymore at all. It's just about them and about making sure they're happy and having the best life and I don't know, I think it's hard to put into words how being a parent changes you because I don't like saying it's not your life anymore because it's still your life. But it really isn't. It's not about me anymore. It's about them. Like we moved to Canada for them. We didn't move to Canada for me. Everything I do and every single time I like open my eyes and I'm awake, everything I do is for them. Yeah. So I think that cuz before it's just about you, it's.

[B]

You become so selfless. Yeah. You chose not to share them their faces online.

[A]

Yeah. I'll show you them after though.

[B]

They're so cute. And I, you know, made that switch about a year ago for my kids. So what was your guys thought process for that?

[A]

We knew, I think the whole pregnancy we were debating on sharing a couple newborn photos of them when they were born because obviously they changed so much. Like they don't. They're newborns. They're like raisins. Like especially. They came out like five pounds. They were like shrively little worms.

[B]

Raisins. It's giving like Benjamin.

[A]

Exactly. They look like little wrinkly old people. So they don't look anything like that. So we were thinking about sharing some of that but then we're like what's the point? To appease some people? I don't know. Just. It didn't feel right. And then I just didn't want like their names are crazy enough that if someone like sees them out in person and they're called by their name. I think if someone knows us that can like recognize them. But I didn't want them to walk down the street without us or in the future at any time and people be able to recognize them. Because you get a parasocial relationship with kids too. Like my friend posts her kids and I feel like I know him and I've never met him. I know like his daily routine and I know exactly what he looks like and he's like the cutest kid ever. But. But if I saw him down the street, I Would feel kind of like a weird parasocial relationship with him. And he's 2, so I don't want people to feel that with the twins or.

[B]

Yeah, that was one of my, like, final things with my kids was we were. I was in Target with Stevie and she was in the cart and I was like, reaching over to look at something on the shelf and I heard Stevie, oh my God. And this girl was literally full blown sprinting at her in the cart where she's stuck. I straight, like, stiff armed her, like, physically. She was approaching my baby and Stevie's like, what? Who are you? You know? And that's when I was like, okay, this is weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you're not even approaching me. You're not talking to me. You're going straight for my child. She obviously was very uncomfortable. And it's like, you can't, like, I would never just go up to a random child and like, physically touch them or, like, try to pick them up, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I was like, okay, this, this needs. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, people don't have boundaries with us, so they wouldn't have boundaries with your kids either. Like, some people do, but a lot of people don't, like. Yeah, so.

[B]

And I think now that my kids are more established in school, it becomes very different too, because now they're their own humans. Like, they have their own connections, their own community, and they have no idea, like, what I do for a living. Like, they don't. It doesn't really, like, like, register with them, I think, because they're too young to know what social media is because they don't have, like, YouTube or any of those type of apps on their. On their devices. So. And they obviously don't have phones. They're so little. So I kind of like that they're sheltered in that way. And also the school that they go to have far more important people as parents than who I am. So I think it kind of normalizes them, you know, and the fact that they're not shown is just. It's easier. Do you feel like it's changed your line of work at all, not showing them?

[A]

Yeah, it makes it harder. Way harder.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they have to either not be in the space that I'm in or be out of camera. So when I'm posting day to day on, I use Snapchat a lot. People call me a bad mom because I'm not picking them up, but I'm like, well, obviously they're not in my arms when I'm filming because I don't show their face.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So obviously they're on the ground, like pulling at my leg or like screaming or whatever because that's what kids do. But yeah, it definitely makes it harder to get them to look away from the camera or be specific. Like, if we just showed them, we would have a thousand more videos to post because their faces could be in it. But I, I would. Yeah, I don't. We're never gonna, we're never gonna show them. I mean, obviously people, when we're out, like, I've seen people be like, like trying to take pictures of them and I'll like take out my phone back and I'm like recording the person who's

[B]

trying to record me.

[A]

And I'm like, I'm obsessed with you. Like, this is actually insane. Like when it comes to them, I feel like so protected. And of course, yeah, yeah, Arlo's different because Arlo's 17 now it's up to them and they're like almost an adult, but they're just so little.

[B]

And I just, It's a double edged sword. It's a lose, lose. Especially when you're a mom. Like, I don't know if you feel like this, but I feel like I am held to a much higher standard than a lot of content creators because I'm a parent. Like, they put you at a different level. And it's funny because people will say, why even put them in your content if you don't show their faces? And I'm like, okay, well one, I'm. I vlog, right? So I do like my morning vlogs, my evening vlogs, and my kids are maybe in like the first 30 seconds and I'm getting them ready for school and I drop them off and I continue throughout my day without my, my kids in my video. But then the other side of it is, oh, you just take them out and then they'll say, oh, your kids aren't in your vlog. You must have a full time nanny.

[A]

Nanny, Exactly.

[B]

You're not relatable anymore.

[A]

You can't win.

[B]

And I'm like, no, actually I don't. And that's why they're in my video, because I'm the one getting them up every day, five days a week, getting them ready for school and dropped off and then continuing throughout my day. But they're always mad.

[A]

The mom shaming is next level. Like, no matter what you do. Sleep train mom. Shane, don't sleep train mom. Shamed bottle feed mom, chain breastfeed mom. It's like every Single thing that you do, someone's gonna see something wrong with it no matter what.

[B]

Yeah. So it's a lose, lose. That's why I literally tell my friends that are having kids. I'm like, share the least amounts possible that you do for your kid. Don'. Tell them if you breastfeed, don't tell them if you formula feed, don't tell them what kind of birth you had, like, because they'll get pissed.

[A]

Haley Bieber probably lives in so much bliss not sharing all of that. Like no one knows anything she did and she doesn't have the criticism that comes with it. So that's. I mean she has so much other. Yeah, obviously. But that aspect of hers is private

[B]

and, and I admire that about her. Cuz I'm like, if I could go back, that's the, that I would do, you know. But you know, I also think, think for me personally, I didn't expect my life to go the way it did. You know, I had kids before I blew up on social media, so it was like there were some things I just couldn't take off the Internet and that I made changes later and if people want to criticize me for that, it's like they're the same people that were leaving hate and telling me what to do and change. So. Yeah, you know, Exactly. Just comes to the territory.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, so tell me about your plans for the rest of the year. Anything big coming up. Are you coming back to LA for the summer?

[A]

No, no, no. The summer here is insane and hot and it's too hot for me, but yeah, no, the summer in Canada. Our Canada house is on the water, so the property is amazing. We have like a tennis court and a little beach.

[B]

It's gorgeous.

[A]

Beautiful. So that's why we bought the house for the summertime there. So we're going to spend the whole summer in Canada. I don't know if we're going to travel yet, but definitely just enjoying the summer there. We have things coming that are in the works that I can't really mention too much of. But the goal would be more reality TV or more TV in general.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Keeping the baby's faces off of it, all of it.

[B]

But yeah, I'm excited for you. Yeah, I think you're absolutely thriving as a mom. You should be really proud of yourself because I know like you, you are in the trenches and you have two tiny little babies the same age, but you're killing it. And as a fellow mom, I see that because it's hard.

[A]

Yeah, it's Rough.

[B]

But you look amazing. You're thriving.

[A]

Thank you. So are you.

[B]

For your family. Thank you so much. But I want to see pics after, okay?

[A]

Yeah. They're so cute.

[B]

Okay, where can everyone find you on stage socials?

[A]

Francesca Faro on everything.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, go follow her. She's like the hottest mom I've ever seen.

[A]

Okay, cheers, guys.

[B]

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