nothing’s off limits | joey zauzig

Summary

Podcast Summary: CHEERS! with Avery Woods

Episode: “nothing’s off limits | joey zauzig”

Date: November 3, 2025 | Host: Avery Woods | Guest: Joey Zauzig

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Overview

This lively episode features influencer and reality TV personality Joey Zauzig as he joins host Avery Woods for a no-filter, wide-ranging conversation about influencer culture, early life, coming out, reality TV, relationships, and what it truly means to live online. The duo discusses both the glamor and pitfalls of their profession, tackles misconceptions, and drops personal and industry truths with humor, candor, and vulnerability. As the title promises, nothing is off-limits—expect spicy confessions, hard-learned lessons, and lots of laughter.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Meeting and the Influence(r) World – [01:21–03:12]

• How Avery & Joey Met: They connected at Christina Kirkman’s sunglasses event, quickly realizing their mutual good vibes were genuine—something Joey notes is rare in influencer circles.
• Influencer Authenticity: Joey reflects on influencer events, explaining how some creators aren’t the people they portray online. Real longevity, in his view, comes from genuine kindness and authenticity.

  “Part of the responsibility of being an influencer is being a nice, genuine, authentic person and transitioning that into real life... from online to real life.” – Joey [01:42]

2. Joey’s Backstory: From Virginia to Influencer – [03:15–06:41]

• Grew up in Fairfax Station, VA, and had a challenging, drama-plagued home life.
• Faced intense bullying for not fitting in, switched schools multiple times, and used his social focus as an outlet.
• Moved to NYC for college, worked in PR (Givenchy, Tommy Hilfiger, WSJ) before accidentally blowing up on Instagram.
• Describes the early days of social media: sepia filters, casual posts, and his first brand deal (with JUUL).

  “Back in the days when you could, like, post a picture and blow up... What happened to those days? I miss it.” – Joey [04:54]

• Navigated the leap from PR to full-time influencer and saw early financial success.

3. TikTok, Money, and Brand Deals – Unpacking the Industry – [06:41–10:13]

• Discussion about TikTok’s growth, algorithms, and possible deliberate “chosen” virality.
• Dispelled myths about influencer earnings from platform payouts; real money comes from brand deals, not the platforms themselves.

  “TikTok pays nothing. Influencers make so much money through brands that pay them to post.” – Avery [08:13]

• Anecdotes about the creator fund, RPMs (Revenue Per Mille), and financial realities.

4. Family, Coming Out, and Therapy – [10:44–12:16]

• Joey discusses realizing his sexuality in 11th grade—first coming out as bi, then gay.
• An unethical therapist outed him to his mother, but Joey sees silver linings.

  “It’s a blessing in a way. Nothing bad happens, I think it’s all meant to be.” – Joey [11:54]

5. Marriage, Divorce, and Open Relationships – [12:20–20:25]

• Joey recounts meeting his ex-husband, their whirlwind romance, marriage, and eventual divorce.
• Talks candidly about navigating open relationship conversations, reality show pressures, infidelity, and the challenges that ultimately ended the marriage.

  “You can stick by them, but... people really need to change on their own... You wanting the best for someone is never gonna change someone.” – Joey [17:00]

• Shares the emotional and financial toll of the divorce ($75,000 in legal fees), and how he’s made peace with moving forward.

6. Reality TV: “The Real Friends of WeHo” – [20:25–26:57]

• Honest review of his reality TV experience—the show’s community backlash, production mess, and why queer-led ensemble shows struggle to resonate.

  “The gay community really did not show up for the show... That’s why shows like this have never worked.” – Joey [20:48]

• Notes on how reputation in the influencer/TV industry hinges on kindness, professionalism, and not burning bridges.

7. Healing, Self-Care, and Offline Life – [31:11–34:34]

• After divorce and negative online attention, Joey shares his renewed focus on self-care and limiting personal disclosures online.

  “I really haven’t really focused on myself because I want the best for everyone else, and I need to start wanting the best for myself.” – Joey [32:30]

• Avery relates, emphasizing healthy boundaries between public and private life.
• The pressures and misconceptions of “sharing everything” as an influencer.

8. Influencer Culture Pitfalls & Personal Branding – [36:36–40:25]

• Joey: True longevity in influencer work means not letting it become your whole personality.
• Critique of numbers-chasing, over-sharing, and the addictive cycles of validation in online work.

  “Being an influencer cannot be your personality... You need to give yourself that space outside of the Internet.” – Joey [36:57]

9. Dating, Sexual Fluidity, and Modern Relationships – [40:41–47:14]

• Joey discusses being single for the first time in 13 years, navigating LA’s dating world, and his sexual fluidity (attracted to both men and women).

  “I just believe in being fluid and just like doing what you want... If I fell in love with a girl and she became my best friend and we were having sex... let’s just do our own things.” – Joey [47:01]

• Talks about the difference between dating apps and genuine connections; humorous comments on Grindr, hookups, and exes.

10. Industry Gossip & Longevity – [52:04–70:21]

• Anecdotes about LA hotspots, celebrity encounters, and “make or break” moments on brand trips.
• Joey and Avery agree: kindness goes a long way in their business, and entitlement or rudeness gets reputations ruined quickly.

  “You have to be a nice fucking person to be successful in this industry.” – Joey [70:16]

• Both share war stories of entitled influencers and nightmare brand trip behaviors.

11. Rapid-Fire Round – [60:39–77:47]

• Joey’s food and drink obsessions (martinis, Chipotle, and food hacks).
• His favorite celebrities (Britney Spears, Jacob Elordi, Margot Robbie, Pedro Pascal, Kim Kardashian).
• Confessions about sexuality (verse, top/bottom, “third leg energy”—all in classic Joey candor).
• Hilarious and disastrous dating stories: e.g., a date arrested during dinner for finance fraud [78:04].

12. Final Advice and Reflections – [57:14–57:59]

• Joey’s Relationship Wisdom: If someone treats you badly, don’t stick around hoping for change.

  “If someone does not treat you right... it’s never going to change... there's somebody out there that’s going to treat you the way you deserve.” – Joey [57:14]

• Both emphasize self-love, boundaries, and focusing on real life over digital performance.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Influencer Authenticity: “The people that aren’t nice, it catches up to you. People talk, the industry talks.” – Joey [02:21]
• On TikTok Myths: “TikTok pays nothing. Influencers make so much money through brands that pay them to post.” – Avery [08:13]
• On Coming Out: “Nothing bad happens, I think it’s all meant to be.” – Joey [11:54]
• On Open Relationships & Loyalty: “The one thing about me, as a friend, a partner, I’m very loyal. And I have everyone in my life’s back, sometimes more than my own.” – Joey [18:22]
• On Community Reception to Reality TV: “The gay community... did not show up for the show. That’s why a show like this has never worked.” – Joey [20:48]
• On Setting Boundaries: “I really haven’t really focused on myself because I want the best for everyone else, and I need to start wanting the best for myself.” – Joey [32:30]
• On Living Online: “It’s so easy to happen. I've seen it happen to a million people where everything they do is just a content idea.” – Joey [36:47]
• On Kindness in Business: “You have to be a nice fucking person to be successful in this industry.” – Joey [70:16]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:21 – Joey and Avery’s first meeting, influencer authenticity
• 03:15–06:41 – Joey’s childhood, PR career, and influencer beginnings
• 06:41–10:13 – TikTok, brand deals, and misperceptions about money
• 10:44–12:16 – Coming out, family dynamics, and therapy pitfalls
• 12:20–20:25 – Marriage, divorce, open relationships, healing
• 20:25–26:57 – Reality TV (“Real Friends of WeHo”)
• 31:11–34:34 – Self-care, living offline, audience boundaries
• 36:36–40:25 – Industry pitfalls, over-sharing, and personal branding
• 40:41–47:14 – Dating, sexual fluidity, and relationships
• 52:04–70:21 – LA, celebrity gossip, brand trips, and influencer etiquette
• 60:39–77:47 – Rapid-fire fun, favorite celebs, wild dating stories
• 57:14 – Relationship advice: “If someone treats you badly, it won’t change.”

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode maintains a playful, breezy tone—nothing is off-limits, confessions are candid, and advice is both humorous and heartfelt. Joey and Avery pull back the social media curtain, stressing authenticity, gratitude, and self-respect, both in influencer culture and personal life. Listeners get an insider’s look at the realities of living online, the challenge of boundaries, and the value of choosing oneself.

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Where to Find Joey

“@joeyzauzig on everything… on Jeff Lewis Live every week on Sirius. Lots more to come—follow me if you want to laugh and feel loved.” – Joey [82:13]

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Cheers to choosing yourself, being real (online and off), and not letting the trolls define your narrative.

Transcript

[Avery Woods]

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[Joey Zalesk]

Nothing's off limits. And there's a lot to talk about. We have a lot of tea, a lot of stories.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. When we met, it was at Christina Kirkman's event for her sunglasses, which was so fun. And I feel like we just immediately fell in love.

[Joey Zalesk]

We did. You were like, head down. I was like, is she gonna, like, be nice to me, be mean to me? Like, what's gonna be the vibe you.

[Avery Woods]

Like, get me canceled?

[Joey Zalesk]

And then you.

[Avery Woods]

Well, you know, sometimes you deserve it.

[Joey Zalesk]

No, but then, like, when I sat down, you were so nice and I think we just, like, vibed. And sometimes you go to these events with other influencers and you don't really know, like, who's gonna be who they portray online. And that's a really big problem. I feel like in the industry, it's always the people that are like, here's how to be an influencer. And then, you know, you, like, meet them in person and you're like, you're not even like a nice person. And part of the responsibility of being an influencer is being a nice, genuine, authentic person and transitioning that into real life. That, like, from online to real life.

[Avery Woods]

Also, I feel like we are the luckiest people in the world to have this kind of Job that I'm like, how are you not so grateful for the university? You can't just be nice.

[Joey Zalesk]

Me too. And, like, I think that, like, the newer people that have come up, because I'm an OG, so I've been an influencer for, like, almost seven years, eight years before TikTok, before everything. So I see, like, I've had to navigate in different, like, settings, and I see these new people come up that are like, be. Like, this is how you be an influencer, and this is what you should do, and this is how your content. But then they're not a nice person to people. And we go on these amazing trips and we have these amazing jobs and we get fat bags, and they're just not grateful. And they treat the people that are giving us these huge opportunities like shit. But it catches up to you. People start. People talk, the industry talks, brands talk, PR girls talk. Like, so you only get so far in our industry by doing that. I feel like I have great longevity.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joey Zalesk]

I feel like I've lasted a long time. I'm still. I mean, I'm on Cheers with Avery.

[Avery Woods]

I mean, years later, I'm honored.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's iconic.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, so I don't know much about where you came from before influencing. So, like, where are you from? What was your childhood? Like? What were you doing?

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm a country boy, believe it or not.

No, you're not just a country homo. From Virginia. From Virginia, baby. Fairfax Station, Virginia. And I grew up. I grew up, like, pretty, like, middle class, but my family was kind of, like, fell apart really early. Like, my dad, we grew up with nothing. And then my dad got really successful, and then my parents split, and then it was just me and my sister. My dad got remarried very quickly. And I think, like, being in the south, and okay, maybe Virginia's not the south, but being in that industry, like, I wasn't accepted. So I grew up, like, very intensely bullied. I, like, switched schools three different times, did not have a lot of friends yet. My social life was, like, the most important thing to me, and I think that translated into my job today. And that was kind of like my outlet because I didn't like being home because there was always tension, There was always, always drama, and it just was, like, stressful. But then, right when I could, I went to school at VCU in Virginia, left home, and then I moved to New York, graduated a semester early, moved to New York, and then I worked in PR for five years, which I think also helps me in this career because I I know what's going on behind the scenes. So I worked for, like, Givenchy, Tommy Hilfiger. I did some editorial stuff for Wash. Wall Street Journal.

So it was crazy. And then this whole thing started, like.

Eight years ago by accident, kind of. I just started posting on Instagram back.

In the days when you could, like, post a picture and blow up.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And with the sepia filter.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes. With the sepia filtering, you. You just kind of threw up anything. It didn't even fucking matter. What happened to those days?

I miss it.

I don't even know before face to. Before face up. Even though I love face up, I love facetune. I'm never gonna lie about that. But, like, yeah, during those days, and I remember this one picture, just me in sunglasses at Soho House blew up. And then from there I was like, well, these gotta give the people what they want to see. And, like, had no fashion, but started, like, shooting pictures, like, when I would get off work and would get a photographer. And then it just started really putting work into it. Then I got my first brand deal with Jewel, which is like the.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yes, the vape.

[Joey Zalesk]

Like, when Jewel first started, that was.

My first brand deal. I have a picture of it, and my mom shot it when I was visiting her in Florida. And I was like, on a thing.

Like, smoking this, like, Jewel.

[Avery Woods]

And that's so turned on.

[Joey Zalesk]

And that's why he loves you, like.

Peek behind the window.

You're like, no.

[Avery Woods]

Literally, he heard vaping.

[Joey Zalesk]

He goes, you hear vape? You're like, oh, where are we at? But, like, it's. Yeah, it's so funny because that was my first brand.

I got, like, $1,500 or something. And I was like, oh, my God, this could be something.

And then I, Tommy Hilfiger, saw that I was doing this and was like, girl, you can't be, like, doing brand.

Deals and working here. So they were like, we're gonna, like, just monitor your Instagram. And then I went in with HR on Thursday, and I was like, I wanna put in my two weeks.

And they're like, you don't get to.

Put in two weeks, girl. You're leaving today. I was like, okay.

[Avery Woods]

Holy shit.

[Joey Zalesk]

And so I went off on my own. And that month I made half my salary that I was making at Tommy in the very beginning. I was like, it was with Nutrafol and this company called Tickle Water. It was like this billionaire who started this children's sparkling water company, don't ask.

But it was actually delicious.

I would, like, put tequila in it.

And it blew up.

And then we did a billboard in times. Really fun. So everything just worked.

[Avery Woods]

I feel like a lot of us were kind of just, like, thrown into that, where you have to, like, fully commit or else you just won't be successful in this industry.

[Joey Zalesk]

100.

[Avery Woods]

But also, like you said, I feel like a lot of us, when Tick Tock first started, we were like, we should have been consistent because we could have had 100 million followers, like Charlie D' Amelio and Addison Rae, because, like, you could blow up so quick on TikTok.

[Joey Zalesk]

It was. So I have a theory about that, and I think it's crazy. And, like, I don't know if I'm gonna get canceled for this, but I think that some people probably have this theory. But I think when they wanted to make TikTok a big thing, I think they did choose people who, like, they wanted to, like, start the trend. Because we've had this evolution of TikTok of, like, the dancing was first the biggest thing, and now it's like just the face to camera, the makeup, the beauty industry. Like, we've blown up all these industries, but they've, like, certain people have blown up, and there's the same people doing the same dances. And there is something about these people that make them, like, magnetic. But I do think that the app has a choice on who they choose to put constantly on the for you page. And that's just my theory.

[Avery Woods]

Well, the RPMs, too, are kind of crazy. When you, like, have a video that's insanely viral that, like, all of a sudden the RPMs drop. I feel like also, like, I've seen videos that we need to clip this as a social clip because I think it's actually so funny. I've seen videos of, like, what Avery woods makes on Tick Tock in a month, and it's like, 25G. And I'm like, TikTok pays nothing. Yeah, we make our money through brand deals. A lot of people don't even do. I didn't even sign up to be a, like, TikTok creator, like, part of the creator fund until, like, a year ago.

[Joey Zalesk]

Me too. I swear to God. Same shit.

[Avery Woods]

I was on a brand trip, and people were like, you're not on the creator fund. And I said, no. I heard it tanks reviews. Like, I make money from brand deals. And so I got the first check, which I'm like, listen, I'm grateful for anything. To make money when you post videos is crazy, like, compared to coming from nursing. But I was like, TikTok pays nothing. Influencers make so much money through brands that pay them to post.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's through brand deals. I mean, TikTok shop. You can make some bank on that shit.

[Avery Woods]

I've heard that.

[Joey Zalesk]

Because they push it so hard and, like, people buy. But I didn't join the creator fund until like a year ago, too, because I was worried about the same thing because I heard it does. Did you notice that it tanked your views at all? Okay, well, I guess I have to. I think I left again. I needed to join again. Sorry.

[Avery Woods]

Try it.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm going to try it. There's. I'm the same as you.

I'm like, I'll take. I love a check.

[Avery Woods]

And I don't do, like, the real bonuses or anything on Instagram.

[Joey Zalesk]

Me neither. Because it's not going to, like, make or break.

And I'm just like. I don't want to, like. I feel like my platform is there to make people happy and they come to my page for, like, just to smile. And I don't want to make it too serious. And I feel like the game with the money stuff, I'm like, I'm not making it to, like, make money. I make my money through brand deals and, like, other endeavors and business things. But that's just. I don't know. But maybe I will start doing creator fund again.

[Avery Woods]

Just try it. I will get that bag cake.

[Joey Zalesk]

How much are you making, girl?

[Avery Woods]

How much are we banking out on TikTok? I would say maybe three grand a month.

[Joey Zalesk]

Wow. Okay. Well, if you're making three grand a month, I'm gonna make, like a penny. Literally.

[Avery Woods]

Well, it's. It's actually insane when you think about it, because there are videos that will get millions and millions of views, and people will be like, well, the RPM's this. So I calculated it, and she's making between 20 and 25 grand a month. I'm like, no. TikTok will change your RPM per. Per video.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yep.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

And they take a part of it too. Don't forget. They do.

[Avery Woods]

True. Probably they do.

[Joey Zalesk]

There's like a little, like, percentage and.

[Avery Woods]

You got to pay tax. Just more things to pay taxes.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, God, I can't with the taxes.

I just, like, I need to start doing quarterly.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, that's what we had. We had to start doing that. And then when I bought my house in California, I said, oh, and the property tax is here.

[Joey Zalesk]

I owned a house already, girl. I'm like, everyone thinks that, like, the.

End all be all to buy a house. And I'm like, until I have a family, I'm not gonna buy another house. It was such a disaster. And my husband, my ex husband took it and I was like. And bought me out. So I was like, you can handle this renovation and do everything by yourself. And now I think it's tanking.

[Avery Woods]

So how old were you when you knew you were gay?

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm not gay.

[Avery Woods]

You're not? And like gets canceled.

[Joey Zalesk]

I think I was like, I. I mean, knowing and coming out is two different things. I was very confused. But I think like 11th grade was like my first experience with the neighbor, this hot straight guy named Ryan. Shout out Rye.

[Avery Woods]

Hey Ry. Hey. Hey.

[Joey Zalesk]

He.

I think like 11th grade was when.

I told my parents and like I told my mom that I was bi first. And then I told. And then my mom told my dad. And then I went to my dad and I was like, your mom told me. I'm like, what the fuck you guys? Like no one could keep a damn secret. But I. When I told my mom, it was kind of. Cause I had to because my therapist had told my mom, which is like illegal because I went. I was in all this therapy for my family situation with my parents getting divorced. And I. The first person I told was my therapist and the therapist told my mom. So my mom. I like, yeah, it was.

[Avery Woods]

That's fucked.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, it's illegal too. It's fucked up. It's like a fucking HIPAA violation, bitch.

[Avery Woods]

Do you know the therapist's name?

[Joey Zalesk]

I don't remember her name.

It was Laura, but I don't remember the last name. But I should look her up. I should see where she's at.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, you should.

[Joey Zalesk]

I hope you lost her license.

[Avery Woods]

But the boy, the straight boys, I.

[Joey Zalesk]

Will say in turn, it really. It's a blessing in a way. And I try and look at everything like that in life because like nothing bad happens. I think it's all meant to be. And I think that like it was before off on my own and my parents knew. Cause I don't know if I would have done that otherwise.

So it was good.

It kind of fucked up Laura. But you know, I. Yeah, but I.

It was good. And then I just went off on my life.

Fucking, fucking, fuckin.

[Avery Woods]

So when did you meet your ex husband and how so.

[Joey Zalesk]

Ooh. Should I give the real story? I think people are gonna hate me if I give the real story.

[Avery Woods]

Why are they gonna hate you? He's an ex husband for a reason.

[Joey Zalesk]

I don't think I've ever told this story before. And I'm scared as fuck, but I'm.

Gonna do it on Cheers with Avery.

[Avery Woods]

Okay?

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay. So I was at Paul's baby grand in New York one night. And this guy that I knew that I had hooked up with a few times, Huge dick. And then we hooked up a few.

Times and was like.

It was like 1am and he was like, I'm going out to meet this guy in the Hamptons. He's sending me a car. He's getting a boat tomorrow. I was like, who is this guy? Cause there's no good guys in New York. And this is like eight years ago.

So I was like, who's this?

I, like, DM'd him when he posted on this boat the next day. I was like, who's this guy? And then he, like. I saw in his story he, like, tagged this guy with the name Bleep this out. So I clicked it, and I was like, this guy is so fucking hot. He's in the Hamptons, I'm in the Hamptons this weekend. So I clicked the name.

They weren't dating.

It was just a fuck thing.

So I clicked the name. I added him, he added me back.

And I had posted a story at Barry Southampton. He goes, maybe I'll see you at Barry sometime, handsome.

And then I said, let's get dinner tonight.

We're going on a date.

He said, yes, cancel the date. And then we get back in the city, and Sunday we're supposed to meet up. But he goes, call me first. And I've been insecure about my voice for as long as I can remember. Cause I've always been made fun of.

Cause I, like, lag, and I'm very, like, Valley girl.

But it's just been my voice since as long as I can remember. And for the people that come for me. Some people love it.

No, some people hate it.

[Avery Woods]

The way that you kick it in with the straight voice, though. You said.

[Joey Zalesk]

But I heard it. I have two octaves, baby.

[Avery Woods]

No, I love it.

[Joey Zalesk]

High and low.

[Avery Woods]

I love it.

[Joey Zalesk]

So I was like, oh, fuck. He's never gonna talk to me if I call him.

I need to be. I do better in person.

But I called him, and I was like, hey, like, what's up? Trying to be straight on the phone. And I was like, it just worked, I guess.

So I went over to his house. We stayed up for eight hours. We just really connected. And my friend Danielle, we were. What? Bernstein at the time, was like. She's like, just. I love her. She's just. But she's.

She's like, we're going to Tulum to.

A hotel opening and you can't come by yourself. It's a couple's trip. I'm like, I'm not really dating anyone except for this guy I've met literally three times. She's like, just invite him. And she always pushes me to like, just be ballsy. And I'm like, okay, fuck it.

So I remember typing on my computer and imessage I was like, hey, do.

You want to come to Tulum on Thursday? Blah blah. And like push it away. You know when you send a text message, you're like, oh shit, did I just send that?

And listen, he like, long story short, he took off work. We went. The first trip went great and like it worked.

And then from there on we just moved really fast. And then four years later we moved to la, bought a house, he proposed.

To me, got married in St. Barts, got married an exact year later, got divorced a year later.

[Avery Woods]

So you guys were together for years, but then you got divorced only a year into marriage?

[Joey Zalesk]

Five years. We, yeah, we were together five years, got married and then got separated. Exactly to the day, a year later, randomly.

[Avery Woods]

Do you think it was marriage that changed it for you or was there just certain things that you were ignoring before the marriage that you think caught up to the relationship?

[Joey Zalesk]

Well, the gay world's crazy.

Oh, you know. Yeah, everyone's open. There was like those conversations needed to happen and he didn't want to have them. And we had also just come off filming a TV show, the Real Friends of WeHo, which like every was like really tumultuous. Everyone hated it. It was. But for me it was a dream come true. I love reality tv, so to be a part of that for me was great. He was such a great participant in it and like he was. Did it for me because he knew how much of a dream come true it was for me. But I think that he loved to like try and control things. I think that was out of his control.

And listen, he was in finance and like a finance guy being on reality tv, I think he like struggled with that and I don't think I showed up for him in the right ways. After our life started changing and I.

Think our life just. I started making a lot more money, he started kind of making a little bit more money, but he was struggling at work and like, I don't know if it was the lifestyle that I brought onto our life, but I. We had a wonderful relationship for four of the six years and he was my biggest fan, my Biggest advocate. I would not be anywhere today without him. And, like, that's just the way it is. I don't regret it at all. But I think that our life just got so big and he had some issues he was dealing with that I. You know, it's like the finance world, it's crazy.

And I did not know how to be there for him. So I tried to, you know, so.

I had to make the decision to separate, because you cannot help anybody. Like, and I. And I learned that the hard way. You ha. You can stick by them. But I think that people really need to change on their own and really, like, try and figure out who they are as a person and want the best for themselves. Because you wanting the best for someone is never gonna change someone. And people think that you just being for the. I did everything in my book to try and help.

And I stopped drinking for eight months.

I did the whole shebang, and nothing changed. So for me, it was just like, well, okay, what am I gonna do here? And there was a lot of fucking and, like, other people, and I was just like, oh, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Were you guys in an open marriage?

[Joey Zalesk]

No. And that was hard because I would.

Find Grindr on his phone, and then he would deny it, and I'd be like, babe, I have your phone in my hand. And this is Grindr. And he's like, I was just chatting with people, but it's embarrassing because you're like, if you're. You're not hurting, just like, it's not like the sex act or whatever, it's like, you're embarrassing me because people know who we are. And you're like, making me look bad. The gay community's small. And I was like, the one thing about me, as a friend, a partner, I'm very loyal. And I have everyone in my life's back, sometimes more than my own. And it's a blessing and a curse. But when you're doing that and you're on an app, messaging guys, it makes me look stupid. Like, we're not online.

So we've had a bunch of conversa. We had had a bunch of conversations.

About should we, you know, like, have an open relationship? He's like, we don't have an open relationship. And I'm like, well, then you can't be fucking other people.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Cause that's so.

And I was not an angel. Let me say I was doing shit too, but not even to the degree. But I stopped because I was like.

I gotta really try this. And we tried for a year, really hard. I think we got couples counseling. Marriage counseling.

It didn't work, girl.

So we got separated, and all for the best.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Do you guys talk now?

[Joey Zalesk]

The last time we talked was on a call with the marriage counselor. I was crying. I didn't think we were gonna get divorced.

I just wanted separation.

I was shocked when he was like, no, you want separation so you can go f. Ck other people. We're getting divorced, and I'm gonna send you the papers. Hired, like, the most expensive divorce or.

My parents.

My dad has money and stuff, but I haven't never gotten a cent. He let me. I paid for my own rent since I can remember. I was struggling. I was overdrafting my account in the city. Like, I was like, dad, can I have $300 for moving?

He was like, no.

He just. We were raised that way. We worked. I worked since I was, like, 15 years old. Wegmans, Palm Beach Tan, American Eagle, Abercrombie.

So my dad never gave us money.

So, you know, he knew I had gotten this big contract with Taco Bell right before we, like, got divorced. He knew I had money, and, like, I had to hire a lawyer, too. And I spent, like, $75,000 on the divorce, and then I had to fucking pay him.

[Avery Woods]

Divorce. Family court is so no one wins but the attorneys. It is so expensive.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's not worth it. And listen, he still owes me money, and I decided recently to just. I'm not gonna deal with it because sometimes you just have to move on with your life and, like, keep it kicking.

Cause, like, I don't wanna fight anymore.

I've forgiven. I wanna move forward. That's his problem if he doesn't wanna pay me what he owes me.

So I just moved on, and I'm a lot happier, and I've made peace with it.

[Avery Woods]

How did the reality show come about?

[Joey Zalesk]

Oof, girl.

Let's not talk about the real friends of WeHo. This will blow up the podcast. And every time I talk about this, the gays start flocking.

[Avery Woods]

I haven't seen it. I'll be honest with you. So I have no judgment or, like, construed opinion. I'm just curious of, like, what it was and how you were on it.

[Joey Zalesk]

Let me preface by saying this. And you should use this clip. Cause this is what gets the gays real mad. But, like, the gay community really, really, really did not show up for the show. And that's why a show like this has never worked.

Because gay guys love watching Real Housewives.

They love watching RuPaul's Drag Race. But bring a bunch of gays when you're watching yourself. Gays don't like that because they all want to be a part of it.

And everyone will disagree with me on that.

But they've tried to make this type of show time and time again. It's never gotten past one, two seasons because the gays just do not want them to win. And like, that's the same thing that happened to us.

There was the same people that are.

Like, we should be focusing on the important stuff. Trans rights, LGBT rights are trying to be taken away right now, but instead they're on Twitter trying to make a petition to get our show canceled. For what?

And that really was like, hurtful because.

It was my first reality show and I was the only cast member that had never done this before. So I was like, so excited. And we didn't know how it was gonna go. When I got the call, like, I was just like, this is gonna be great. It's a gay Real Housewives. How could this not.

[Avery Woods]

So it was succeed. So it was a gay cast in New York, just like, oh, in la. Just kind of following your guys lives.

[Joey Zalesk]

Just following our lives. Drama. The production couldn't really get it together though. At first we were supposed to be friends, and then they were like, well, no, you can act like you don't know each other. And I'm like, that's. There's such a disconnect.

And what happened is it was always Paramount plus gonna be on streaming.

And then RuPaul got bought again by MTV. So last minute, I'm talking like we filmed for four months last minute. The production called me before we went to New York to announce the show and do all the press.

They were like, guess what?

We think that it's a great idea to put you after RuPaul's Drag Race. And so RuPaul's Drag Race has the show and then the Untucked, which is like the 30 minutes after. So it's a 90 minute show, but.

They'Re like, we're gonna split it up.

And we're gonna put you right in.

Between, basically trying to force people to watch the show.

And so we were like, girl, this is. The gays are already mad about the show being out there and this is. And they thought it was gonna be great. It backfired horribly.

When we're on the plane to New York to go do the announcement, it was always supposed to be called a list la.

And that's also horrible. I'm not gonna lie. Like, that was also cringe as fuck. But, like, I was just happy to be there.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

We're on the plane and the head.

Producer emails all of us, and she goes, we're gonna change the name before your first press tonight. They knew, but they didn't want us to have a choice. We were all on the plane together.

As a cast, and we all like.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. We're all getting email. We're like, what the fuck? And I remember one of my cast members comes to my seat. I was like.

And they're like, the show name we.

Called is the real friends of WeHo because they wanted to garner the Real Housewife franchise listeners. And I was like, oh, the real friends of WeHo? And, like, on the show, we're not even, like, friends. And, like, I put in work on that show, though. I. If you watch it, I learned a lot about myself.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I'm gonna watch.

[Joey Zalesk]

You should. You'll be addicted.

Like, it's not bad.

But it started with 12 episodes.

When MTV bought it, it went down to six episodes. So they, like, condensed it. I should I say this reading in trouble. But.

The beginning was supposed to be like, me.

I was kind of the main character. But they tried so hard to make Brad Goreski the main character. Cause he was more famous, but he had settled down. He's had his moment. He's with his husband baking muffins in the kitchen. In the beginning. In the first episode beginning. And I'm like, this isn't interesting.

And then halfway through, I'm driving in my G wagon in the dog pound garage, and I'm spritzing my face, and I'm like, it's crazy. And from that episode, it was just like. It was a lot of me because.

I put in the time. No one wanted to say anything. Everyone was scared. Everyone was like, we're gonna get canceled. The gays are not gonna like the show. Like, Todrick did it for money. Everybody else was just, like, fighting. But I had real issues because we had to break the fourth wall because we all signed up for the same show, but nobody was doing the work. And it's hard to film a reality show when you sit in for a scene and someone's like, I don't want.

To talk about that. I don't want to get into family. I'm like, well, how am I supposed to.

How are we supposed to get to know each other?

Made someone quit the show because I.

Called him out and the whole cast had my back.

The first episode, we get in a fight, and I want to make this clear.

And it was not a produced fight. I got mad because he was talking.

Shit about me, talk shit about me. But it was all my friends at my engagement party.

He was talking shit about my friends that he didn't know.

Talk about my friends. You're going to see Red Joey and Red Joey be crazy. And it was.

And he like brought security to my party. It was a crazy situation.

The show could have been a real success.

That's all I'm saying.

[Avery Woods]

So it went live and then people started petition on Twitter to what?

[Joey Zalesk]

Before it even went live, they said, cancel real friends of WeHo because it's taking up the.

First of all, who wants a 90 minute show?

Because RuPaul's was 90, we cut it to 60, basically.

So like you're taking, give us back our 30 minutes, give us back our untucked blah, blah. And I'm like, girl, relax. Before the show even came out. And that's what everyone just wanted to hate it before it even came out.

So regardless. And then there was a thing on TikTok that went viral of everyone watching RuPaul's. And then when our show intro would.

Come on, everyone would turn their TVs off. Cause it's like no one watch it, so.

And it didn't do bad numbers. Why still? Because I think people like hate watched it too.

But like, you know, that was what it was. And it was upsetting for me because it was just like, oh, that's a bummer. Cause I think I really enjoyed filming the show and I really did get to know my cast members and.

[Avery Woods]

And it's a lot of time too. Yeah, a lot of time. A lot of time of filming reality.

[Joey Zalesk]

A lot of time. And then doing the interviews is like for like eight hours a day. It's like a lot. And mentally it's fucked up too.

Watching it back. Like seeing yourself in real life on television is trippy.

And like everyone had an opinion about me talking about my skin, which is always a big insecurity for me. So like I learned to get it.

Was again, the way I look at everything in life. It really helped me in so many ways of like getting over my voice insecurities, getting over my skin insecurities. Cause I was just like, what a stupid thing to dwell on when there's so much more to me than just those things. But the gay community really came for.

Me and it's how it is, unfortunately. We're supposed to want the best for one another. And I feel like that's not the example that we should be sharing or showing.

I would have loved to have someone like me on tv. I would have loved to watch someone just living their lives, becoming, coming from nothing in New York, being broke as to coming to like where I'm at.

Like, I always believed in myself but like, you know, it's a shame that and it wasn't enough diversity yet we had every mix of any person.

It's like never enough.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

And like it's, you know, it was sad.

[Avery Woods]

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[Joey Zalesk]

I made.

[Avery Woods]

I'm really curious because I ended up making.

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay, so this is a lot for our first season because they threw money at us. I'm not gonna lie. I think I made like probably. I think I made a hundred thousand.

[Avery Woods]

For a season.

[Joey Zalesk]

For the season. Which for a first season, usually you're getting five grand an episode or something, so. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah. A thousand or a hundred thousand? A hundred thousand.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Joey Zalesk]

Because 10, 20, 70,000.

[Avery Woods]

For six episodes.

[Joey Zalesk]

For six episodes.

[Avery Woods]

So you made a little over 10 grand an episode.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, like I think I made 12 grand an episode.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. Period.

[Joey Zalesk]

Listen, I was happy with it. I was happy to be there. We pushed back. I got like the Bethany clause, which means I'm not locked into it. So basically every reality show has a percentage increase.

I did not have that. I got full renegotiation for second season, which never happened, but I am work. Yeah. There's other things in the mix.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my God. We have to talk about it off camera.

[Joey Zalesk]

I don't know. Yeah, I'll tell you everything, period.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, so what's. What's going on now in life? Since the reality show ended and you've gotten divorced? Who is Joey now? What are you up to?

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm like, you know, the divorce really.

Took a lot out of me. And I think when you're living your life online, there's, like, so much. Especially, like, with what I do. I think, like, my whole being is to, like, give back to people and give people advice and hype people up. I'm, like, everyone's biggest hype man on the Internet. And, like, when I, you know, also.

[Avery Woods]

In real life, too, I just want to interrupt and say thank you for saying, like, people. That's why I started this podcast. I feel like we need to humanize people in the limelight because we get so much hate for. From people that don't even know who we are. You are such a sweetheart. And always you are the first to compliment everyone in the room.

[Joey Zalesk]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

And you always want to help people. You always give advice. Like, that's just who you are as a person.

[Joey Zalesk]

It is. And I. And. And I appreciate that. And you're the same way. And I think that's why we vibe, because we're.

You are exactly who you are online.

And offline, and I think that's why you're so successful. And that's the key to success. And I will be honest about that. I struggle with that sometimes because I really do. My audience and everyone that follows with really does mean a lot to me. And the videos that I put out are, like, garnered for them. I want everyone to feel good. But I realized over the past, like, four years, I really haven't really focused on myself because I. I want the.

Best for everyone else, and I need to start wanting the best for myself. And I think I take my own advice.

But I think everybody in life struggles with taking their own advice.

Even I do think we're doing the work for the other people. Like, I'm like, I'm making the mistake.

So I can give you the advice tomorrow. But I look at my own videos. Sometimes my friends will send me my videos. Cause, like, you need to take this advice. Cause I can crash out hard. But I think, like, now I'm just trying to, like, really focus on my outside life as much as I am on, like, my online life. Because I want to keep giving, and I really want to.

Making people feel good is, like, my purpose. Like, that's why I'm here. So I really want to make it bigger and I want to do it. I want to reach way more people and that's my goal.

So, like, I think after the divorce, I didn't share that much about it online. I really only talk about it like on podcasts and stuff because I don't.

Want to bring down the vibe like.

For my, for my people because I love them so much.

So, like, I don't, I don't know, I don't think always bringing up fucked up personal stuff on the Internet just to get views.

It's just people do it so often. I think it's a really easy way to go up and go down very quickly. So I decided to just keep doing my thing and I kept a smile on my face. But in turn, I think I really didn't heal.

So now it's like I'm healing. But as much as my audience is growing right now, and like every time I meet someone in person, which is.

Now multiple times a day, it's gives me like, it brings me to life.

Because it motivates me to like, do more. And I don't know what the next step is. Like right now it's brand deals. Like I have, like, I'm on a.

Radio show, I do these. But you know, I would love to do a bunch of other things because I want to reach more people. So that's the plan. Right now I'm 33.

I think there's things coming.

[Avery Woods]

You're a baby and there's things coming. I think what you said is so true about exposing personal things online. And I feel like I've learned that the hard way and things that maybe in the moment I didn't think were super personal, but I've learned that the Internet is just a trail of everything you've ever done. And I've become so much more closed off because of things I've experienced this year. And although my views might not be the same or I might not get as much love or attention, I feel so much more content in my life and like living quietly in my bubble and being able to say no. I can go on a date night with my husband, not have to vlog the whole thing or make an outfit video or do a whole fucking photo shoot. Like, I've learned to put my phone down in the last six months and just live my life. And although people see a vlog of me going to Costco, they're like, put your phone on you, vlog your whole day. I'm like you saw a minute and a half of my day and I was at the grocery store.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Like you don't see me wake up in the morning every day at 6am and getting myself dressed ready and dropping my kids off at school and then doing five meetings, getting work done. I don't have an assistant. I don't have a nanny, I don't have a babysitter. I don't have anyone working for me. Scott works for me for the podcast with Unwell. Everything else. I am so low. We don't even have help with the children.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, baby, we gotta get. I'll come over and maybe sit.

[Avery Woods]

The kids, period, they love a good gun.

[Joey Zalesk]

Avery Woods. We're hiring for an assistant for Avery Woods.

Okay, we need an assistant. We need a. A full time nanny.

Don't forget to cook. Like there's a lot of things we could be doing at the end of the day.

[Avery Woods]

My husband whips it up in the kitchen, though I will say, yeah, yeah, he's so hot. And you know what? Greatest dad in the world. I can tell, like he is the reason why I'm able to do everything is because he is my backbone at home and with the kids. And I love that it's just him and I with the kids. Like, our kids are so lucky in that sense where we're there for every milestone and home with them all the time. And we are together every day in the car, every pickup, every drop off at school. So it's like, I don't regret not having that type of help, but I think people are very judgmental and don't get to see what we do, you know, behind the scenes because not everything needs to be documented anymore.

[Joey Zalesk]

I know. And listen, I'm not the messiah of influencers, but I kind of am the messiah of influencers because I've been doing it for so long and I know.

What it takes to have longevity.

And longevity means it cannot be your whole world. And everything you do, being an influencer cannot be your personality. Your personality has to be like the.

Forefront of what you do, but you.

Don'T have to share every single thing with everybody. And when you want to last a long time in this industry, you need to give yourself that space outside of the Internet because everything you do, because it can. It's so easy to happen. I've seen it happen to a million people where everything they do is just a content idea. Everything they do is for the people and for the audience because they're just addicted to the numbers and they're addicted to the things. But then you're gonna crash out so much quicker. It will get old and you're gonna have to have different variations of your, of your content. I've had to do that too, so.

But you know, it's.

It's part of the gig mentally. This job is not easy.

And going through like a divorce and.

Going through hard in your life and having to get online as you know too, it's. It's a struggle and you don't know what the right thing to do is.

But.

But you have to listen to your gut and you have to do what you think is right. And you can't give a fuck what anyone thinks because people are gonna fucking have an opinion. And the people that have a negative opinion about you doing, you don't matter. Yeah, and they're not even.

They're broken down in boo leg anyway. They live in some like.

It's like they don't matter because they are wasting their time.

They're not bettering their life.

They're trying to shit on your life because they're jealous. They don't want you to have your own opinion. Like, nothing you do is wrong. You do you and let everyone else sink.

[Avery Woods]

And they would give anything to switch positions with us. That's the funniest part about it.

[Joey Zalesk]

Anything.

And they think they have this opinion. That's why I don't read fucking Reddit anymore. Because there's so much nasty shit on me anymore. And people just say the craziest things and nobody is ever going on Reddit to say anything nice.

[Avery Woods]

I think Reddit should be banned.

[Joey Zalesk]

Reddit should be banned.

[Avery Woods]

I think it's fucking disgusting.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's just a negative place for negative people, for gross people that have nothing better to do to go comment and.

And it's just sick to me to like watch people.

And I know these girls are obsessed with Reddit and they like want to be on there, people talking shit. I'm like, yes. Like, I'm not gonna lie. Listen, I've always said this, like, I love the idea of fame. I want to be famous. And I've always been. I've always been honest about that. That's all I've ever wanted is fame. And I'm never, I've never like shy away from that. I love being semi famous online and I love my audience, but I'm doing.

It to like help people and to like hype people up, you know, and.

So it's like I found my purpose kind of and it feels great. But the negativity that comes with it is just. It's a hard thing to navigate. Especially when people poke at, like, things that you're insecure about. Personal things. Like, it's so the more you open yourself up, the more people are gonna have an opinion.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, but if they don't have opinions, you're not relevant. So it means you're doing something right.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes. So you gotta have some opinions or you're not.

[Avery Woods]

And you have to have a backbone.

[Joey Zalesk]

You have to have a backbone in this industry. And it's hard because a lot of people, like, will just be like, it's so overwhelming. Like, the workload. Like, it's so hard. It's like mental. Like, I hate the negative comments. Like, I have to like, take a break. It's fine. But like, I've never gotten on the Internet and like, gone on and been like, you know, like, this job is like. So I'm just like, it's. No, you're not forced to do this job.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Like, you can make a decision. You can make a choice. If it's not, it's not for everyone.

[Avery Woods]

No.

[Joey Zalesk]

And just because people have a shit ton of followers doesn't mean they should necessarily be an influencer.

[Avery Woods]

So true.

[Joey Zalesk]

You know, and like, people don't get that.

It's like, go back to the 9 to 5. Then it's like, I wasn't meant for a 9 to 5. It's. But then they can't hack being an influencer either. So it's like, it's fine just because you have a lot of followers. Like, you don't have to be in the space.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Because this is the space. Is not easy. So true to navigate immensely. And like, as life goes on and you get personal things that happen in your life. Being online is not fucking easy.

[Avery Woods]

No.

[Joey Zalesk]

Especially when those things happen. So you gotta do it or not, honey. Make or break.

[Avery Woods]

Yep. So what's going on in your dating life?

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, girl.

[Avery Woods]

I mean, I heard like the tea off camera.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm about to go back to girls because, you know, I still have sex with girls every once in a blue moon. Like, I do. I know you're shook.

Well, I like both.

[Avery Woods]

Wait, really?

[Joey Zalesk]

I give, like, bisexual. Like, I just like, love. I think I love sex and I think.

[Avery Woods]

So you weren't lying to your mom? I was not lying to my mom.

[Joey Zalesk]

Because I didn't know then because I.

Was still having sex. Sex with girls. But like, yeah, I do both. And like, I, I. Yeah, gay guys be crazy. And gay guys are sometimes worse than the straight girls. Like, or the straight guys. Everyone's like, guys are amazing.

I'm like, gay guys are fucking diabolically crazy. And I was never a person that like dated. I just like would meet a guy.

Go on a date. Not to toot my own, but like I would like go on a date and we would just like start dating for years after that. I'm a long term relationship kind of guy.

This is my first time and.

20 since I was 20 years old. I'm 33 now. Is that 13 years? Yeah, 13 years that I have been like single like this. And I'm dating for the first time pretty much in my life. And it's fucking crazy. The gay guys, they do not want to settle down. And I'm a settled downer. I was like dating this guy and we've been dating for like six months and now he just all of a sudden wants to be friends. But we hang out every single day. And he's like, we're never dating. And I'm like, well, what the fuck? So I have to look like I have to show up for myself because like, and I want to, I think after my divorce I want to like fall in love with myself again and really like understand who Joey is at the core. Without giving, giving, giving to someone who's really not giving anything back.

Because I think I give without needing reciprocation.

Reciprocation. I give without like needing reciprocation. So I feel like I need to start finding someone who's also gonna give a little bit and want to.

Cause I'm a lover, baby. I'm a cancer.

I have a huge heart, a bigger dick. I wanna like, can we say that on Cheers with Avery?

[Avery Woods]

Nothing's off limits.

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay?

So like, yeah, that's what I always say about myself. Like I really do have the biggest heart. I want someone that appreciates it. Cause I think I get taken advantage of a lot.

Cause I love to love.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

So dating right now.

I'm officially single as of this podcast.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm like really, really, really on the market. So I think. But I don't want to go on dating apps.

[Avery Woods]

It's not. There are very few amount of people that I'm like, period. You found your person on your dating app. But there's especially like hearing stories from Scott as a single gay man. Like the people that he meets on Grindr. The stories don't even sound real. It's crazy, girl.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's crazy.

[Avery Woods]

These men are crazy. Here.

[Joey Zalesk]

I deleted Grinder. Well, doesn't not to mean that I'm.

Not going to download it when I get tipsy again, because that's what always happens.

But, like, I'm like, kind of like.

Off Grindr, but Grindr's the only thing that I'll use every once in a while. But it's just for, like.

It's not to, like, find a match.

But apparently my ex husband is dating someone for the past, like, five months. We met on Grindr, so. Good for them.

[Avery Woods]

How'd you find that out?

[Joey Zalesk]

The gay streets talk.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, it's a small circle.

[Joey Zalesk]

Like, five people show me. And like, one time I was at.

A party and these two twinks came.

Up and they're like, between tap me on the back. Like, we hate your ex husband.

He's dating our best friend. Like, oh.

Oh, bleep it.

Yeah, like, he's dating our best friend. He's crazy. I was like, girl, I could have told you that. I was like, why are you guys telling me? That's like, I really want the best for my ex. Like, whatever.

[Avery Woods]

But I just hate the fact that he has your dogs. Oh, because we talked.

[Joey Zalesk]

Do you believe the fact that.

[Avery Woods]

No, I can't.

[Joey Zalesk]

When he took the dogs, they were at daycare, and I. We were always supposed to meet them up, pick them up on Wednesday. Wednesday, Wednesday. And he picked them up on Sunday behind my back. Stopped hearing from him. How up is that?

[Avery Woods]

No, that's like taking your children.

[Joey Zalesk]

Those dogs are my everything. They were my everything. So I've kind of had to come to terms with that too. And it's. I'm better.

[Avery Woods]

I'm sorry.

[Joey Zalesk]

The guy I was just recently dating has a dog who I love, so. And that's also hard because it's like, I gotta stop getting attached to these dogs.

[Avery Woods]

You also need to, like, tell whoever you're with next you hit it off with like, hey, I'm committed, so don't six months down the road friend zone me. Piece of shit.

[Joey Zalesk]

Because we still hang out like boyfriends. Like, what is that?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Joey Zalesk]

And like, I don't know. I love in person interaction. That's why with, like, the dating apps, I feel like dating apps now. It's like, I don't need a fucking pen pal dating apps. You're like, texting, texting, texting. It's like, maybe we get drinks back and forth. I'm like, absolutely not. The only way I would do a dating app is if, like, I would just go on and be like, we're getting drinks tonight. Let's meet in person. Person, because I do well in person. I do great on a first date.

I will say no one's ever gotten over me, though.

Like, none of my exes have moved on.

[Avery Woods]

I'm not surprised.

[Joey Zalesk]

Like, move forward, because I really am, like, a catch.

[Avery Woods]

You really are.

[Joey Zalesk]

I feel.

[Avery Woods]

Wait, we do need to go back to the fact that you do have sex with women.

[Joey Zalesk]

I always do have sex with you.

[Avery Woods]

My mind. I can't focus on anything you're saying right now because I have so many questions.

[Joey Zalesk]

I really like blondes. So you're. You're like, I have, like.

[Avery Woods]

I'll see myself out. Okay. Jazzy's like.

[Joey Zalesk]

Jazzy's like. Jazzy's like, yeah.

You're like.

You're like, texting. You're like. You're like, I need a hair. You're like, I need a hair appointment.

[Avery Woods]

She takes her wedding ring off. She's like, okay. So has this always been a thing for you?

[Joey Zalesk]

It's been, yeah.

I'm just, like, kind of horny.

So like, sometimes, like, if I see a girl, they want to, I'll be like, I'm down.

[Avery Woods]

So do you think you could ever be in an intimate relationship with a woman, or is it just purely sex?

[Joey Zalesk]

Huh. I've never really thought about it, but the way that dating is going with these gays, I think that I could.

Really probably use, like, a girl energy because, like, all my.

I don't really have gay friends. I have, like, one or two or three, but all my friends are girls.

So, like, I would like that energy. At the end of the day, a partner is a best friend. And, like, I don't know. I'm. I'm down. There's a lot of people in relationship with gays, and I'm so fucking here for it, because I think that that's.

It's like, people are too serious about labels.

And, like, you have to be straight. You have to be gay. It's like, if you like some dick, go get some dick. If you like, whatever. Whatever cheats their own fluid. And if you fall in love with someone. If I fell in love with a girl and she became my best friend and we were having sex or something.

It'S like, let's just do our own things. You can have sex with guys, I'll.

Have sex with guys.

We'll go on vacations.

We can have foursome, threesomes.

Like, that's kind of ideal.

[Avery Woods]

Scott's, like, poking his head around the.

[Joey Zalesk]

Corner, like, I know, like, what the fuck?

Wow.

But, yeah, I just believe in like being fluid and just like doing what you want. And it's, it's.

Listen, I think a lot of straight guys feel the same way and they don't want to admit it. Like about like whatever. Like have hooked up with guys might like it a little. Like totally.

You never know.

Yeah, but I think everyone's too serious about like, I think a person's a person and if you fall in love with them, like fall in love with them, fuck em. Like literally, not figuratively.

[Avery Woods]

Well, and I know how bad you wanna be a dad so like it'd be cheaper for you to just, you know, get your bestie pregnant or whoever to carry your babies and have to pay for a surrogate.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's like 250, $250,000.

Or like fucking someone, like having sex with a girl. And listen, we would have cute babies.

[Avery Woods]

We really would. But my tie, my tubes are tied. So what? I know I got a tubal ligation with my youngest.

[Joey Zalesk]

You can untie them.

[Avery Woods]

Jazzy's like, I volunteer as tribute. She's in the corner.

[Joey Zalesk]

You can untie them.

[Avery Woods]

I can. But here's my thing. Like, like we talked about, thanks to depression, like I finally lost the rest of my baby weight. And one thing about me is I am a mom monster when I get pregnant.

[Joey Zalesk]

Really? I love that.

[Avery Woods]

No, not in a cute way. I was just like very large.

[Joey Zalesk]

Well, I think it's cute. I think the next pregnancy, I think we would have twins.

[Avery Woods]

It'd be really cute. My dream, my dream is to have twins.

[Joey Zalesk]

I have the psychic. Yeah. I think I told my friend Tezza last night like, that I think she's going to have twins next.

[Avery Woods]

She's iconic and she's, she's my best.

[Joey Zalesk]

I love her so much.

[Avery Woods]

She's iconic.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm kind of psychic, so I have like dates for people that I've never been wrong. I've given three people dates. The first person I gave a date to, she was like an IVF for like a year and a half or whatever. And I was like, you're gonna get pregnant on like. I think I said like March something or whatever. And she got pregnant the day after that after a year and a half. Second person was like down bad. And I was like, February 22, I was like, something's gonna like, amazing is gonna happen. Your life's gonna turn around. Everything's gonna be okay. She was like out of a job. February 22nd, she got a job at Apple that day. And it's like a huge job. It's Crazy third person was just, like, finding, like, she'd been single forever. And then I was like, you're finding a person. Lo and behold, they got engaged, period. So I do have a psychic ability I've had since I was young. And I think Tessa's having twins.

[Avery Woods]

Do you want to hear a funny rumor that there used to be? Because now we're going to start another one, because I know people are going to be like, oh, my God, Avery's pregnant with Joey's baby.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

When Scott and I first started the podcast, we were traveling, traveling everywhere because we were, like, we had no production team. We were just desperate for anyone to be on. So I'd hit up all my social media friends and travel wherever I needed to go to get him on the podcast. So Scott and I would be traveling everywhere together, and we always share a hotel room. Like, Scott's my best friend. He also knew he was gay when he was 9 years old. Like, he could not be softer at the thought of having sex with me. Like, no interest at all.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Not like I would try, but everyone's like, I know Avery's pregnant with Scott. Thoughts, baby?

[Joey Zalesk]

That's not true.

[Avery Woods]

No, it absolutely is true. It is kind of cute, but, like, it's just laughable.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's diabolic. These people, man, and they.

[Avery Woods]

The people that hate you are just like, I knew it. Yeah, she's a terrible.

[Joey Zalesk]

This witch murder at the stage.

[Avery Woods]

Evil bitch.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah. They're, like, ready to come, and they think they know.

[Avery Woods]

They're so convinced.

[Joey Zalesk]

They're like, this is what's happening, and we're not gonna take anything else.

[Avery Woods]

I said, not only am I happily married with children. Children, but I'm also infertile. And also, if Scott tried. If I taped a photo of you on my face, there's still no way he could get it up.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, my God. You're not bi.

[Avery Woods]

Not even a little bit.

[Joey Zalesk]

You've tried it. Not a gold star gay.

How many times have you had sex with a girl?

[Avery Woods]

Never. He's never had sex with a girl.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, my God.

[Avery Woods]

He's that. He's that gay.

[Joey Zalesk]

A lot of my gays are gold star gays. A gold star gay means you were a C section, baby. You've never had sex with a girl, and you've never seen a vagina, like, in person.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, that's funny.

[Joey Zalesk]

So, like, I'm not a gold star.

I'm a. I'm just a bisexual man. Maybe I'm straight.

[Avery Woods]

All of a sudden, you give the podcast and you're like, hey, guys, what's up?

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm leaving. Dick's behind.

[Avery Woods]

Bye.

[Joey Zalesk]

I definitely, like.

I don't know. Dating's difficult in LA versus New York because I think people in LA are so needy and they want something from.

You and they're like, like. And listen, being like, in this industry, like, you never know. Like, for us, we're like, we need something normal.

And for them, they're like, this is glamorous. I love going to the events and LA is a really lonely city because there's.

And I've kind of made the decision this past, like, year to just. I'd rather be alone than, like, connect with toxic people that don't make me feel good. And sometimes it's better. It's like, if you were thirsty, you wouldn't drink poison. So what am I doing? Like, so it's. But it's lonely because everything's so far. You can't just go walk and be around people.

But I'd rather be lonely than hang out people that don't make me feel good.

And like, lately it's like, everyone's like, we go to dinner and, like, everyone expects me to fucking pick up the bill. Like, Daddy Warburg's like, I'm not picking up the bill, babe.

But, like, I never let my girls pay if we go out to dinner and stuff.

I always like, pay. But, like, should we go to dinner? Yeah, we go to dinner.

Sunset Tower, my favorite.

[Avery Woods]

But you know what? I'll take you.

[Joey Zalesk]

You. Yeah, I would love that.

[Avery Woods]

I'll take you, Mommy.

[Joey Zalesk]

Take me for a chicken Caesar up. You know, I love that.

[Avery Woods]

Do you know where I've never been to Soho House.

[Joey Zalesk]

We all need to go.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, okay.

[Joey Zalesk]

They kicked me out.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I heard it's like the vibe at the Malibu one.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, the Malibu one. We can go there.

[Avery Woods]

Wait, why did you get kicked out of Soho House?

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, they use me as an example for taking pictures.

Oh, they just didn't renew. My membership was like, oh, I'm ready for my renewal.

[Avery Woods]

They're like, that's the one rule. No photos.

[Joey Zalesk]

But that's why everyone takes pictures.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, really?

[Joey Zalesk]

Everyone takes pictures at. So. Especially Malibu.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Joey Zalesk]

Like, yeah. And so they just use me as an example, I think.

But I think SVB is going to be great.

[Avery Woods]

What's that?

[Joey Zalesk]

San Vicente Bungalows. I'm taking you to svb.

[Avery Woods]

I've never even heard.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm not a member yet, but I have friends that are so. Or bird streets. But it's $350,000 every year.

It's crazy, but last time I was there, like, Taylor Swift was in the corner.

Must we not speak of that? Dakota Johnson. Like, a bunch of people love Dakota.

Keeping my opinions to myself. They just get me in trouble.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

You know what I mean?

[Avery Woods]

Dakota Johnson. She.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, she was my neighbor.

She was there when my house got broken into. Because my house got broken into above Chateau when I was home. And I was, like, screaming off the balcony.

I was like, help.

I think it was Ariana Grande, security guard. That had something to do with it.

[Avery Woods]

Johnny.

[Joey Zalesk]

Johnny. No.

Because she lived at the bottom of my street. And he was always, like, there outside of the street or whatever. And we. We, like, chummed it up. And he was always, like, asking me, like, so where are you going? And I told him before I was. I had to go to Mexico for work in Cabo. And I was like, I'm going to Cabo this weekend. Like this. These guys. I don't know. Something was sketchy, but I had just.

Bought a G Wagon and I was.

Posting it on the, like, TikTok, and I think they think they were coming for the cars. Cause at that time, we had the Range Rover and the G Wagon. I think that they were coming for the cars.

Other than that, I was like, babe, I don't have anything to steal. Two Louis Vuitton duffel bags and a bunch of fucking Zara.

Like, it's not like there's anything I don't, like, have jewelry. And.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

So it had to be for that. But they've been casing the house.

[Avery Woods]

Damn.

[Joey Zalesk]

Why did I start talking about that again?

[Avery Woods]

I don't know, but I love this subject that we've gone on, you know, so many important people to be saying.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, I kind of do, but.

Oh, yeah, because it's Dakota Johnson.

She lives next door to me. My. The guy I was talking. Actually, I can't even talk about it, but. But yeah. Dakota Johnson. Source.

[Avery Woods]

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[Joey Zalesk]

I just think the one thing I want to say about that is like if someone does not treat you right and they say fucked up shit to you, it's never going to change.

Okay, one time maybe give Them one strike and that's fucking it. I have stood by too many people that have treated me like shit and have said so many nasty things to me.

There's a way to say things. I'm very self aware. I know who I am.

He ain't perfect. I have a lot of things.

But there's ways to say it. Even if you're frustrated with someone.

And I would love to give everyone that advice.

Like, it's never going to change.

They're always going to treat you that way and they're never going to treat you better while you stay.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Maybe if you reconnect at like in another life or like another time, whatever.

But there's somebody out there that's going to treat you the way you deserve.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

And like everyone needs to like give.

Themselves a little bit more self love.

I'm talking to myself.

[Avery Woods]

No, I agree. I agree that people show their true colors and that is their true colors. So it is what it is.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah. Do you think people will change while they're still with the person that they won't change for? You think because they got. They know this person will never leave. They don't think they actually have to change.

[Avery Woods]

I think that if someone is committed to spending their life with someone and they're toxic, that person will never have the opportunity to change because they'll always choose that person over everyone else, including themselves.

[Joey Zalesk]

Period. And you got to live for yourself, not for some rinky dink, broken down bootleg.

[Avery Woods]

Absolutely.

[Joey Zalesk]

Us.

[Avery Woods]

Exactly.

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

Exactly.

[Joey Zalesk]

That's why I'm like, go get Taco Bell. Go get a chicken Caesar wrap.

Best chicken Caesar up in La Leora Cafe. Dialogue.

Which one did I just try? Bravo. Toast is really good.

[Avery Woods]

I have. I literally need to write a list of all these places I've never been.

[Joey Zalesk]

The best pizza. Sunny is like, this is what I do, baby. I'm like a food reviewer now. I love it.

[Avery Woods]

You ever been to Toppers and Thousand Oaks?

[Joey Zalesk]

No, but I love a top. Oh man. People are gonna think I'm like a slut.

I am kind of a slut.

[Avery Woods]

As you should live your best life.

[Joey Zalesk]

Everyone's a little bit of a slut.

[Avery Woods]

Anyways. They have this hot honey pizza.

[Joey Zalesk]

That's what I had from Sunny's.

[Avery Woods]

And you drizzle the honey on it. And they have a salad bar. It's so good.

[Joey Zalesk]

I love a salad bar.

[Avery Woods]

And they have like a little arcade for the kids.

[Joey Zalesk]

I love a salad bar. I love an arcade.

[Avery Woods]

Anything that keeps them distracted while we eat in peace.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm starving.

[Avery Woods]

And I'm like, kids, your pizza's here. It's, like, cold at that time. Are you starving?

[Joey Zalesk]

But I am on a GLP1 now just to like. Because I overeat. I overeat. I eat. Like, I can eat 10, 000 calories a day. And I'm not joking. For me, I never get full.

So it's more of an experiment. I wanted to see how it worked.

[Avery Woods]

Sure.

[Joey Zalesk]

And it's working. I was sick to my stomach. I'm not sure if I'll ever do it again. But I like just knowing that I can have a little bit control.

But I just try.

I've tried everything.

[Avery Woods]

You don't look like you eat 10,000 calories a day.

[Joey Zalesk]

Well, because I'm trying really hard this week to get snatched for myself. Not for a man.

[Avery Woods]

No, for yourself. And the thirst. Draft picks.

[Joey Zalesk]

I love the thirst droppings. Are they too much?

[Avery Woods]

No. I'm obsessed with you.

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

Because everything you post on my YAS King.

[Joey Zalesk]

Why aren't you following me?

Oh, you do?

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure Scott's like, your biggest fan.

[Joey Zalesk]

I can't wait to go out for, like, dinners and, like, we're gonna pop the.

My new gay friend.

[Avery Woods]

I take as we're witnessing history right now.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, it's gonna be iconic.

[Avery Woods]

Do you want to sit here? Should I leave? I'll see myself out. I'll see myself out. I'll just sleep.

[Joey Zalesk]

We gotta turn the cameras off.

[Avery Woods]

In that case. Yeah, definitely leave them on. I want to watch that later. Okay. We're gonna end with a rapid fire. Are you ready?

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I think I know the answer to this. Are you a morning person or a night owl?

[Joey Zalesk]

You're gonna think night owl. I'm a morning bird.

[Avery Woods]

Are you?

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, I'm a cancer.

I'd rather be at home.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Joey Zalesk]

Like, that's the thing that people don't know about me.

[Avery Woods]

Slow early mornings, but I love. Are we doing like, a martini?

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, at night, a big one. As big as your head with a sidecar?

[Avery Woods]

Same.

[Joey Zalesk]

A fat, juicy steak with some cream spinach.

[Avery Woods]

You know what?

[Joey Zalesk]

And a butterball biscuit.

[Avery Woods]

When I hear my husband shaking that shaker. Oh, it's a good ass night. He makes such a good martini.

[Joey Zalesk]

That's my fucking mating call.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

You shake a shaker of a martini, I'll come from a mile away. I just open right up. I'm like, I'm ready to go.

[Avery Woods]

I like baby number four, five.

[Joey Zalesk]

What's your favorite kind of Martini, extra dirty.

Oh, I knew you were gonna say that.

[Avery Woods]

Regular olives, not blue cheese. With vodka.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, that's. I have a vodka martini.

Chopin vodka, straight up with a twist.

Or Belvedere or Grey Goose.

[Avery Woods]

See? Yeah, you're just, like, talking rich things. I don't know what any of that means.

[Joey Zalesk]

Well, what do you have in Svega?

[Avery Woods]

No, I just. Just say, can I have an extra dirty martini with vodka?

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, you don't care. No, you're probably getting top shelf, babe. You're giving top shelf.

[Avery Woods]

Do you think?

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm thinking.

[Avery Woods]

So they probably see this ring and they're like, let's give her top shelf.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, you're probably getting the creme de la creme special reserve vodka, triple distilled.

[Avery Woods]

I don't care. I like. I go buy Tito's vodka at Costco to make my. My vodka pasta, because I'm cooking it out anyways.

[Joey Zalesk]

I don't give a. I could care.

Less about the label. People think I'm bougie, but I'm like, I could literally.

[Avery Woods]

I could live off Taco Bell every meal.

[Joey Zalesk]

I have the Chipotle VIP card. Free Chipotle for life.

[Avery Woods]

Are you kidding me?

[Joey Zalesk]

Because I was in the commercial, so that was one of my things.

I was like, I need the VIP card. Only, like, a very limited amount of people have it.

[Avery Woods]

No. That's so impressive.

[Joey Zalesk]

Can I tell you what happened, though? I was on. I know we're in a rapid fire, but.

[Avery Woods]

No, you're fine. No, I'm listening.

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay. So I posted about using the VIP card on Tick Tock because everyone was so enamored after I did the Chipotle commercial. And I didn't realize, but I flashed the QR code, and you can only use it once a day. So this video blew up, like, 230,000 likes or something.

And I started to, like, read. I started to, like, look at the comments. I'm like, wait, what?

And in my head, I'm like, no one can use this card. And I was traveling at the time in Europe.

So, like, I didn't go to Chipotle.

I came back.

I used the card once. Like, this card's been used already. I'm like, what?

And they gave it to me anyway. Every time I went to use the card, and it had already been used because people on the east coast, blah, blah, blah.

It opens at 11 here. I think.

I think thousands of people have that QR code now. And I ended up getting. I ended up losing that card. The rule is you do not get another VIP card from Chipotle.

Once you get one, if you lose it, you're done.

[Avery Woods]

So they took it from you.

[Joey Zalesk]

I begged and pleaded. My team begged and pleaded. And I was like texting Jasmine.

I was like, I was like, fuck.

All the deliverables and things I have.

To do this week. I was like, I need the Chipotle card. But back I got it back.

I'm never showing that QR code to any of y' all because they were using it and they're still using it.

But I'm like, you know what?

[Avery Woods]

Once a day, is there like a limit to your once a day? Like when you go out, when you go to Chipotle with friends, can you cover everything?

[Joey Zalesk]

No. One entree with chips. You can do double chicken, double D, blah blah.

But just for one person a drink.

[Avery Woods]

I love that you were like, cuz they open at 11. Cuz you know.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh yeah. I love Chipotle.

I love Taco Bell.

[Avery Woods]

What's your Chipotle order?

[Joey Zalesk]

Chipotle is burrito with brown rice, sometimes.

Fajitas, sometimes black beans, half chicken, half steak, mild, medium hot, sour cream cheese, guacamole and lettuce. I'm a big boy.

[Avery Woods]

And you down that whole thing.

[Joey Zalesk]

I down that and then I have usually a quesadilla on the side. And the quesadilla is melted cheese with steak. And then my sides are guacamole, sour cream and hot sauce. It's good, but you gotta put I.

Lemon squeeze my burritos and my burrito.

Bowls because you gotta have chipotle with lemon.

It changes the whole vibe.

[Avery Woods]

Really.

[Joey Zalesk]

If you haven't. Oh my God. If you don't squeeze your burritos lemon all over that burrito, it doesn't taste the same.

And once you do it, you'll never be able to have it without. Do you know, like when Chipotle first opened, they had lemons at the.

Where the soft drinks were and that's how I discovered it back in the day and I just never strayed.

[Avery Woods]

I love mixing their vinegarette with sour cream and I shake it up and I drizzle it all over.

[Joey Zalesk]

Just posted about that.

[Avery Woods]

Oh my God, it's so good.

[Joey Zalesk]

Probably like 3,000 cows, but it's fine.

[Avery Woods]

Never having that again.

[Joey Zalesk]

The, the.

The skinty hack though. If you want sour cream on your Chipotle is just don't add it, order it and just add Greek yogurt. Cuz Greek yogurt tastes exactly like sour cream when mixed in with. With Mexican food. I swear to God. It's like you do not taste the difference.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Joey Zalesk]

0% Greek yogurt. And it takes off like 500 calories.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, I'm gonna do that.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, try it.

[Avery Woods]

Cause like, one thing about me is I will be dousing it in sour cream.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, I douse cuz it's not the same. If not.

[Avery Woods]

And then it'll definitely come out the other end later.

[Joey Zalesk]

But it's fine.

[Avery Woods]

Chipotle my stomach up every time I have a stomach.

[Joey Zalesk]

A steal.

[Avery Woods]

I was gonna say, you're eating enough for a family of six every time you go to five.

[Joey Zalesk]

I really am. I really am. I really overeat. And that's for one meal I have. After that, I have like everything. Last night, Nobu. At this event, I literally down this whole tray of sushi and forgot that there was like, I don't know, other people at the table. And I was like, this girl's like this, like timid, like, really sweet girl.

She. Excuse me. Like, she left. Like, oh, sorry, girl. Why?

[Avery Woods]

Every time I go to Nobu events and this is no hate on Nobuz, I fucking love Nobu. But like, when they walk around through these teeny tiny little, like one bite every 40 minutes and I'm like, where's the food?

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm like, I need like. Like the whole platter. Last night was a real platter.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, I was stuffed to the.

[Avery Woods]

You know what rare beauty did that because they got that budget. We got that real sushi.

[Joey Zalesk]

They got that budget.

[Avery Woods]

It's because Selena was sitting across from me and she was like.

[Joey Zalesk]

Selena was like, I'm not getting past around hors d' oeuvres for 40 minutes.

[Avery Woods]

No, she's like, I'm covering this bill. Like, give me the real. She's really the nicest. Every time I see her in her presence, she is so kind, respectful, funny as like so down to earth, so real obsessed with her.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm the worst celebrity you've ever met. We can bleep it.

This will be good.

[Avery Woods]

Anyone?

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, we know. Everyone's looking like they know.

[Avery Woods]

Is it?

[Joey Zalesk]

Everyone's looking like they know.

[Avery Woods]

Who is it? I can't really think of anyone who we were talking about before.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I'm like, they're. They're like kind of giving D lists. Like, no one cares about them anymore though. But they think that they are royalty. No one could care less.

[Joey Zalesk]

See, it's the same thing with influencers. It's like, you're not even that. It's always the people that aren't that, like when you go on brand trips, it's like the people that aren't even that big, that are mean to everyone and try and be like, sorry. I'm like, girl, come on.

[Avery Woods]

I know you're not that special.

[Joey Zalesk]

We're all in the same boat. We all got invited on the same trip. Let's just be nice to one another.

[Avery Woods]

It's very interesting.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's like high school. I'm like, I can't handle it.

And celebrities, too.

It's like when you go on a date and they're rude to like, the waiter, waitress, or like the people that.

Work the receptionist, whatever.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

If I clock that on you, we're never going on a second date because I think it says so much about a person.

Also, please and thank yous.

If you order something and you're like.

Like, I know this is even dramatic.

But it's like just to show Pam Martini straight up up.

I'm like, no, thank you.

Nothing.

[Avery Woods]

My biggest teller of someone's character is when they order food or I've been on. I've been on brand trips or in front of influencers that are quite literally at the same stature as me and they refuse to order. They have to have their managers order whatever they're eating or drinking or like, pre order it before because they're too good to have waitresses come to the table. I'm like, who the do you think you are?

[Joey Zalesk]

Can I.

Let me say something.

That's crazy. This is. Let me say something about this. I went on a brand trip recently.

And like, everyone's at the same stature. No one's better than anyone.

And I'm sorry, but like, we're in this amazing, incredible place. We're not paying for a thing. They have put so much time and energy into having us there, and they're.

Sitting at the table complaining about the.

Food, saying, this drink isn't there. This is called sending things back crazy. And I'm like, suck it up and.

Go order room service later, like the last thing you do.

I just think it's the rudest. I'm like, where were you raised? Do you think it's okay? We're so lucky to be here. And that goes for not even just food. But they'll just complain about everything and listen, sometimes some brand trips can be.

A little clunky, but you're still in an amazing place with amazing people.

Make the best of it. I don't understand that. And it's like, we're so privileged to be on these trips, and it's just.

[Avery Woods]

It'S crazy even going back to the Nobu thing. That reminds me because even though I'm bitching and moaning like I'm following those trades and I'm getting my food and then I'm happy and leaving, I'm not too vain. Like it's hard to even get a reservation at Nobu Malibu. So I'm happy just to be there.

[Joey Zalesk]

No, exactly.

[Avery Woods]

But I have sat down at events at places like that, like really expensive restaurants where they have like a pre scheduled menu of what you're getting. Yes, I don't care. I'm a foodie, I'll eat whatever. And when other people are ordering completely separate dishes, not picking up the bill and like putting it on their brand, I'm like, like, it's giving, so entitled.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's giving, so entitled. And that's like kind of something you don't do.

[Avery Woods]

Like, you do not do that.

[Joey Zalesk]

You don't shit on the brand.

[Avery Woods]

It's a bad look.

[Joey Zalesk]

It's such a bad look. And they will find out and you'll never work with them ever again.

[Avery Woods]

And also I've had like team members that work for the brand talk about those people. And they're like, come on. Like, that's just so disrespectful. Like we're doing our best here and like going above and beyond to make sure you guys are taken care of.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes. And like, and it doesn't give you a bad look at everyone talk. So the second you fuck up on a brand ship and you make yourself look stupid or you're bitchy or entitled, like they tell everybody else and then it gets around and you don't work.

In the industry anymore. It's really that dramatic.

You have to be a nice fucking person to be successful in this industry.

[Avery Woods]

I fully agree.

[Joey Zalesk]

People do not get that.

You can go online and make your.

Videos and act sweet and be like, I'm such a good person, I care about politics. I'm gonna tell you how to do your thing.

And then later you're a bitch to everyone.

And then everyone talks. We've talked about this with specific people before and we all talk too, amongst ourselves. Be a nice person.

[Avery Woods]

And, and you're. It's. It's very obvious because those names get passed around the industry.

[Joey Zalesk]

They do a lot and it goes quick and it's always the newer ones.

I'm just saying.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, first celebrity crush, Britney Spears.

[Joey Zalesk]

I was like obsessed. I had like the race poster with.

Like jazzy's like that tracks blood, whatever. Like I had like all the posters in the room.

[Avery Woods]

The snake poster?

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes, yes, yes, the snake.

Like, I don't know if I was obsessed with her, cuz, like, she's a gay icon or if I was obsessed with her because I just think she's, like, beautiful.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

And then this is so weird, but Josh Jamel.

[Avery Woods]

Who is that Josh?

[Joey Zalesk]

I don't know, but he had win a day.

[Avery Woods]

Yes. He's so hot.

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay, so he's hot, but I had a crush on him because he had.

A naked picture out there and it was the first, like, celebrity, like, dick I'd seen.

Do you remember? Yes. So, like.

Yeah, so, yeah.

So that's why I was like, oh, my God, he's.

He's cute and he has, like, a big egg. I was like, nice.

[Avery Woods]

Who's your current celebrity crush? Male and female. I'm curious.

[Joey Zalesk]

Jacob Elordi. I'm obsessed.

[Avery Woods]

He's my number one.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm obsessed with.

[Avery Woods]

He's the same height as my husband.

[Joey Zalesk]

He's the nicest fucking person in the world.

[Avery Woods]

I've heard that.

[Joey Zalesk]

And he is just a sweetie. I love him. And I also love another celebrity crush.

Celebrity crush. Celebrity crush. I think about often. Oh, Pedro Pascal.

[Avery Woods]

Cutie. He's just like, hot dad. Vibes.

[Joey Zalesk]

There was another celebrity crush they had, but then I actually started dating him and didn't go, well, girl, is this.

[Avery Woods]

Who we were talking about before off camera?

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. Yeah. Gross behavior.

[Joey Zalesk]

And it just. You meet your crush and then you.

Start dating, and then you're in bed with them, and then it's just not working right.

And then it's just like, yeah, it didn't go right. But you win some, you lose some.

Awesome.

[Avery Woods]

What about female? Who's your current female celebrity crush?

[Joey Zalesk]

Margot Robbie is my love.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my God. I'm obsessed.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm obsessed with Margot Robbie. And I think she is the most gorgeous, amazing.

I also, like. I don't know why. Like, there's something about Emma Roberts I just, like, love, and she follows me. And I think she's just, like, so cool. And, like, her vibe. I don't know. She's so sweet.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Wait, there's one more girl I was.

Thinking of, but I can't remember her name. But yeah, I think that's.

Oh, Elsa Hosk.

I'm obsessed with. I think she's.

[Avery Woods]

I met her in the Hamptons in 2023 on a poppy trip, and she was there with her husband and their baby.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Kindest humans.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes. Yes.

[Avery Woods]

I have a photo with her and I was like, ugh. I wish I wasn't as big then.

[Joey Zalesk]

She's so cute.

And my last one, I have to say, Kim Kardashian is. I've met her twice.

She's just the fucking coolest chick. And I think she's so stunning, and I just think she's, like. Like, beautiful inside and out. And I think that she's, like, so inspirational. I love her so much. Like, I just. I would, like, date her in a heartbeat.

[Avery Woods]

She was sat next to me at Nobu with North, and north had a blue wig, and it was kind of dark out.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And she kept looking back at me, and I was like, oh, my God. Do you recognize me? Definitely did not.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes, she totally did.

[Avery Woods]

No, no, no. But she was just, like, taking pictures of her kids and, like, having a good time. Like. Like, she wasn't on her phone, was eating Nobu, kept to herself, was so kind and, like, reserved. And I've just heard. I've honestly heard nothing but incredible things about the Kardashian and Jenners. Like, even in this industry, I've heard that they are so cool and down to earth.

[Joey Zalesk]

They are the blueprint, and they do it right, and they are what everyone should follow. The way to, like, act and behave and, like, what the.

What responsibility comes with fame and being, like, around. You have to be a kind person.

[Avery Woods]

Yep. Okay. What does an ideal day off look like for you?

[Joey Zalesk]

Well, I've been really getting into tennis again, because I'm good. That's such a rich sport with a pro again.

So I love doing that on my days off, and I tried to, like, give myself, like, Fridays or like, I try and schedule my week for. I mean, right now it's impossible, but.

I. I try and give myself a day where I really just disconnect. And I don't go on social media, which is hard because I am addicted to scrolling. But.

But I try and just, like, do the things that I love and find new things that I love, and. But being single, I am trying to.

Do things more by myself, but, you.

Know, for 13 years, I've been doing it with someone else, and I've. You know, it's part. But I think even just being with friends, I think being by yourself is important. So I love going on a hike. I love playing tennis. I love, like, getting my life organized during the day and just unplugging from my phone and honestly ending the day having a beautiful martini with a big old steak. Sometimes sitting in a bar by yourself and having a fucking teeny moment.

I'm not a By myself. Traveler. So you'll never hear. I'm not going on a trip by myself.

I'm sorry to say that everyone's like, take yourself on a trip. Absolutely not.

[Avery Woods]

And do what? Lay in bed all day and watch a show?

[Joey Zalesk]

Like, no, I don't want to explore.

The city by myself.

Want to explore with, like, someone and go home, have sex in the hotel room and, you know, have fun. Like, it's more fun for me. Everyone's like, like, explore, like, world by yourself. I'm like, no, I love the people.

That can do it and think it's.

Cute, but that's not my thing.

[Avery Woods]

Are you a verse with men?

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm a verse. I like to be the top, but I do like being the bottom lately too.

I'm a good bottom, but, like, I just sometimes if, like, it doesn't fit, I have to be the bottom. Because we're like, well, I guess we just have to do, like, not a.

[Avery Woods]

Bad problem to have.

[Joey Zalesk]

Not a.

[Avery Woods]

Well, no wonder women love having sex with you. Cause he's giving third leg energy.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, it's not that big. It's not like this huge. It's on the Internet.

[Avery Woods]

He's like, kickstand?

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, no, it's not a kickstand.

It's just like a nice, beautiful.

[Avery Woods]

I love that for you.

[Joey Zalesk]

Dang.

But I would say I'm more top, but sometimes I'm more bottom. My friends always joke, like, you give bottom energy. Like, my. The fucked up guys that I've dated recently are like, you're total bottom energy, girl.

And I'm like. Cause I do like an older guy.

[Avery Woods]

I feel like a successful gay relationship is usually someone a little bit older.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Because two young gay men together can be a lot of drama. That's just like, what I've seen, like, in my personal life, like, knowing people. But I feel like if you have, like, that mature older man, you know.

[Joey Zalesk]

But then you're dating this older man and you're like, oh, this is gonna be great.

They're so.

And then, like, you get to a point where you realize why this older man has been single and is still.

Single, and you're like, ah, got it.

[Avery Woods]

You're like, there it is.

[Joey Zalesk]

There it is.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. Who would you want to play you in a movie?

[Joey Zalesk]

Pedro Pascal. 100%. Jacob Elordi. 100%.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

George Clooney.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

But I need Jacob Elordi to play me.

[Avery Woods]

I could see that.

[Joey Zalesk]

Could he do my voice? Is the question, what actor could duplicate Joey Z?

[Avery Woods]

He's so talented. I feel like he could his verse. That's the thing about Jacob Elordi is why I'm so obsessed with him, is he's so good at what he does. He's not famous just because he's pretty and, like, has great style and is tall and is a heartthrob. He's such a talented actor, and I respect that so much. And he puts so much into his craft.

[Joey Zalesk]

Even, like, with euphoria. Like, you would never realize he has an Australian act. Like, he's so good, and he's just, like, incredible.

[Avery Woods]

Love that show.

[Joey Zalesk]

I. I wish him. He's gonna do great things.

[Avery Woods]

What's the most cringe thing someone's ever done to you on a date?

[Joey Zalesk]

Well, I don't know if it's cringe, but one guy got arrested on our day. When we were in New York. We were at this place called Croft Ale House, which should have been the red flag from the beginning.

Yeah.

And I'm like, sure, let's go get some fucking brewskis, bro. I was like, this could be, like, hot mask energy.

So I was like, I'm gonna go on the date.

So we go to Croft Ale House in Chelsea, and, like, we're staying there.

For, like, probably 15 minutes. And there's like a SWAT team, like a. Like a. Like a police officer or whatever.

And I'm like, like, this isn't for you. And he, like, was scared. And then, long story short, they took him, and he had been in some, like, I don't know the full story still. Cause I never talked to him ever again, like, literally. But I guess there was, like, some fraud, like, finance thing because he worked.

In finance, a credit card, something.

[Avery Woods]

You're just, like, standing there like.

[Joey Zalesk]

I was just like, okay. And they were like, do you know? I was like, I don't know him. I was like, I have never met him. I was like, this is the first day. I was like, I'm just a bicep. I was just a day player. I didn't know what to say. It was, like, crazy. So I don't know if it's cringe, but that was pretty cringe.

[Avery Woods]

That sounds made up. It's so insane.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah. You can't make it out. Like, it's, like, crazy that someone was raided.

[Avery Woods]

Shit.

[Joey Zalesk]

So that happened.

I'm like, how'd they find us? But I guess people do be known.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Why with me, I've had crazy shit happen in my life, and I'm just like. I learned from it.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

Never going to Croft Ale House. Ever again.

No, I still sat there and had the rest of my dinner. Lie.

I ordered like, nachos.

[Avery Woods]

As you should. You're like, actually, it was on him, so I can't pay.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah, Yeah. I was like, oh, sorry.

[Avery Woods]

And he's like, I just got arrested for fraud. I got no money, bro.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yeah.

And then the other cringe thing.

Well, this is inappropriate.

I can't say that. But the other. Well, kind of. I went on a date with someone. He was so hot online. And like, he looked. He was still hot in person. But when I tell you he was zero personality, I was like, knock, knock, like, anyone there?

And I'm good at doing a conversation. I love talking, obviously.

But I was like, tell me something about yourself.

And then when he did, he didn't.

Ask me any questions about myself. So I was like, you're annoying.

Had a party at my house that night. Wouldn't not.

And I had like 50 people over, would not leave. He was there till the tail end of the night. Was just me, my girlfriend, her boyfriend and whatever. And like, he was like, coming out. Just the most annoying person, like, would come out, like, do you have a charger? Like, I can't find a charger. I need to hook it into the side of the bed.

Assuming, like, you're sleeping over. I'm like, it's 5:00am I was like.

We haven't set a peep to each other all night. You think you're sleeping over and you're asking for a charger. Interrupting conversation.

And I have too big. I need to learn to start being more of a bitch with everybody in my life. But I was like, I didn't have.

The heart to, like, tell him. So I ended up having, like, he slept over. I fucked him.

[Avery Woods]

I was like, he just slipped into me.

[Joey Zalesk]

And then in the morning, like, he, like, would not go. And I'm like, ah. Like, I gotta, like, go. He was like, I'm so hungry. And like, when people do that in the morning, it's kind of their like, we should get breakfast for sure tip. And I'm like, we're not getting breakfast together.

But I was so nice. I was like, I have a brunch. Like, I can't.

And then I of course, like, talked.

Like, replied to his text because I'm not a ghoster. I'll have the conversation eventually. Had the conversation.

[Avery Woods]

I'm proud of you.

[Joey Zalesk]

You have to just say it like it is sometimes.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah, you do.

[Joey Zalesk]

No ghosting.

Even if you have to hurt people. I don't want to Hurt anyone, though.

[Avery Woods]

I think this is, like, my favorite episode I've done the whole year.

[Joey Zalesk]

This was crazy. This was the things we talked about. I can't even.

[Avery Woods]

It was so fun, though.

[Joey Zalesk]

Was it ADHD all over the place, or was it.

[Avery Woods]

But, like, in the best way?

[Joey Zalesk]

Okay, good.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. I didn't even, like, look at my note cards because I was just so entranced with what you were talking about.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'm manifesting this be the highest viewed.

You're like, girl, we've had way bigger girls.

[Avery Woods]

No, those social clips are gonna go crazy. I got you.

[Joey Zalesk]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Thank you so much for being here. I love you so much.

[Joey Zalesk]

I love you so much.

[Avery Woods]

And next time we do something, we're, like, off camera. Let's get a teeny.

[Joey Zalesk]

Can we please get a teeny?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

One as big as our head with a sidecar. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And then you can take me whatever. Whatever place for food. But it's on me.

[Joey Zalesk]

What?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, it's on me.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, my God. I would love that. Okay, I'll take you up on it. Will your hair be blonde by then?

[Avery Woods]

No. Not again. I got married with white blonde hair. Like, white.

[Joey Zalesk]

I think I've seen those pictures.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah.

[Joey Zalesk]

I think I love it.

[Avery Woods]

I'll wear a wig.

[Joey Zalesk]

I'll wear a wig to our dinner. Oh, my God. Yes.

[Avery Woods]

I'm gonna do it.

[Joey Zalesk]

Oh, my God.

[Avery Woods]

I'm.

[Joey Zalesk]

You guys all have to wear wigs. Except for you, Jazzy.

We're all gonna. You.

I want you in a wig, too, Mr. Crazy.

[Avery Woods]

No, that's. Honestly, I'm kind of loving this energy. I'll make sure Scott's there for that, Teeny.

[Joey Zalesk]

I love it.

[Avery Woods]

Okay, where can everyone find you?

[Joey Zalesk]

Oezalik on everything. I'm on Jeff Lewis live every week on Sirius.

I do it all. And lots more things to come, but at Joey Zalesk. Follow me if you want to laugh and feel loved.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Proud of you. You're amazing. Thriving. I love you. I love you so much. Cheers, everyone.

[Joey Zalesk]

Cheers.

[Avery Woods]

You know what a girl's best friend is? Not diamonds. Her lawyers.

[Joey Zalesk]

From executive producer Ryan Murphy comes a fiery new legal drama.

[Avery Woods]

It's our own boutique, women representing women.

[Joey Zalesk]

You can't afford to miss.

[Avery Woods]

Make it rig. Showtime, ladies. Stand up straight and breeze into that room like a storm no one saw coming.

[Joey Zalesk]

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