rebuilding + rebirth | gigi gorgeous

Summary

CHEERS! with Avery Woods

Episode: "rebuilding + rebirth | gigi gorgeous"
Air Date: February 2, 2026
Guest: Gigi Gorgeous

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Episode Overview

In this warm and candid episode, host Avery Woods shares a glass of wine and a deeply open conversation with Gigi Gorgeous, the trailblazing beauty creator and transgender advocate. Together, they discuss Gigi’s journey from a pioneering online makeup artist to an influential voice for the trans community, her experiences growing up in a supportive family, the difficult process of coming out, resilience through personal rebirth after divorce, and practical advice for open, accepting parenting. With characteristic humor and authenticity, the conversation spans everything from social media toxicity to body confidence, family bonds, transition surgeries, and the reality of rebuilding one’s life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Days & Impact on the Beauty Community

• Gigi’s Start
  • Avery reflects on discovering Gigi online as one of the first “boys doing makeup,” and how it opened her eyes to the trans community.
  • Gigi shares the importance of humor and uniqueness in her early videos, like her “morning routine” parody — "just, like, silly." (02:38)
• Childhood and Family Acceptance
  • Growing up in Toronto with two brothers, Gigi reveals her first makeup experiments were her "dirty little secret."
  • Despite the initial secrecy, her brothers were always accepting: “My brothers would invite me out to hang with their friends… That’s a way to show love. Actions speak louder than words.” (04:06)
• Finding Community Online
  • The internet became a vital escape and source of connection: “There’s people out there like me. They’re just not in my real life.” (03:21)

2. Journey of Self-Realization and Coming Out

• Early Awareness of Identity
  • Gigi knew she was “different” from an early age, often expressing femininity in private and feeling pressure from society to hide it. (06:32)
  • Acknowledges the common experience where “a breaking point” leads to finally living authentically, sometimes later in life for some. (07:29)
• Family’s Reaction
  • Coming out as gay at 15: “My dad is… stoic, wanted to hold it together. My mom just, like, cried. But I get it now because she just wanted me to be safe.” (28:03)
  • She later came out as trans at 19, with varied family responses but ultimately acceptance from her brothers and, over time, her father.
  • On her mother: "She was always very accepting... but I think for her kid, it’s different; she just didn't want me to get beat up or bullied more." (28:59)

3. Navigating Social Media & Building Resilience

• First Platforms and Rise to Fame
  • Gigi started on MySpace before YouTube (2008): "I uploaded my daily makeup routine and put Rihanna's Disturbia behind it.” (23:02)
  • Early YouTube experience was isolating: “I felt very alone… there really was no community.” (23:59)
• Dealing with Backlash & Hate
  • Faced significant hate comments for being one of the first visibly queer beauty creators, but positive comments “gave me the confidence to come out.” (25:28)
  • She held onto the encouragement: “If you can change one person's opinion by sharing your story, then it's worth it.” (34:18)
• Changing Climate of Social Media
  • Both agree the environment has become “toxic,” but acknowledge the growth in acceptance and presence of LGBTQ+ identities online.
  • Gigi notes: “It is a responsibility to be trans… You don't sign up to be a teacher, but you kind of have to be that bitch who walks into a room and is like, hey, this is me.” (33:35)

4. Parenting, Gender, and Identity Education

• Avery’s Parenting Philosophy
  • Shares anecdotes about letting her son wear nightgowns and her careful approach to language and body image with her children.
  • Expresses her intention to raise open-minded and kind children: “I’m not gonna raise hateful kids. We need more kindness and empathy in this world.” (40:49)
• Gigi’s Advice for Discussing Trans Issues
  • Suggests starting from curiosity: “Do you guys know what trans is? Is there anybody in your class that identifies as trans?” (39:18)
  • Recommends a dialogue-based approach: “I would just ask them, and then... tennis match them. So why do you think this? Who do you know?” (41:21)
  • Stresses importance of not prescribing identity but letting children discover themselves.

5. Transition Surgery & Medical Realities

• Language/Education
  • Clarifies correct terminology: “It’s gender reassignment surgery or confirmation surgery.” (34:53)
• Personal Decision & Community Experiences
  • Gigi shares that she hasn’t had bottom (genital) surgery and has realized over time she’s happy with that choice:
    • “I would have regretted getting that surgery, because now I'm so happy that I did not…who’s to say, you know, down the line?” (36:00)
  • Expresses empathy for trans friends who regretted their surgeries due to complications: “It is life or death a lot of the time.” (38:02)
  • Hopes for better medical outcomes: “I just want it to be always 100% success rate, and that's obviously never…”

6. Rebuilding and Rebirth After Divorce

• Personal Upheaval
  • Gigi recounts her difficult divorce: “I was almost with my ex-husband for like ten years…It's like, you kind of have to relearn how to live.” (52:45)
  • Details mourning the loss and personal identity beyond the relationship: “Even in happy marriages, you can lose yourself… snap back.” (53:41)
• Moving Forward
  • Focuses on pouring energy “back into my cup” and embracing new projects and opportunities, even if currently under wraps.
  • On dating again: “It’s a lot different…Now I step into a room with my full chest—this is me.” (62:50)
  • Expresses possibility of love in the future but doubts about ever marrying again: “I've said before publicly, I will never get married again. That’s off limits. But...I love love so much.” (54:26, 55:03)
• Praise for Grace and Maturity
  • Avery commends Gigi for her grace and class in publicly handling her divorce:
    • “The respect I have for you for being so kind... you really handled it with such grace and class.” (58:44)

7. Industry Musings & Staying Grounded

• Beauty Community Culture
  • Gigi and Avery discuss the double-edged sword of the influencer world: “Once you find a few people, it’s cute, but for the most part, I just like the environment of creativity and people that are just, like, different.” (47:02)
  • Both prefer grounding themselves among friends outside the industry for humility and normalcy.
• On Humility and Kindness
  • Gigi: “People make it far because they are nice. I won’t ever understand why you’d act like they're below you.” (51:05)
  • The importance of kindness rings as a refrain throughout the episode.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the Power of Positive Influence
  • “You gave me the confidence to wear makeup to school today, gave me the confidence to start transitioning, whatever—for me, that made it worthwhile.” (25:28, Gigi Gorgeous)
• On Parental Support
  • “My brothers were always really accepting...That’s a way to show love. Actions speak louder than words.” (04:06, Gigi Gorgeous)
• On Authenticity
  • “In a way, you have to put on...Command the, you know, vibe of it all. You can't go in meek...No, you kind of have to put on your best face.” (33:26, Gigi Gorgeous)
• On Protecting Children’s Innocence Online
  • “When will they get, like, devices? For safety, yes, but social media...as long as I can hold off, I would say, because once you’re in, you’re in.” (17:23, Gigi Gorgeous)
• On Kindness in the Industry
  • “Will it kill you to be kind? I will never understand that.” (52:01, Avery Woods)
  • “People make it far because they're nice...I can't even imagine going through something that was very detrimental and we hated each other...that gives me peace.” (61:02, Gigi Gorgeous)
• On Rebirth After Divorce
  • “Now I’m focused on pouring back into my cup...It is like a process.” (54:12, Gigi Gorgeous)
  • “It is like divorce is like death… you're mourning someone who's alive.” (56:59, Gigi Gorgeous)
• On Parenting and Gender
  • “I want them to discover that on their own…if you tell me something that I should think that way, I will challenge it and probably think my own way.” (41:26, Gigi Gorgeous)
• On Survival and Legacy
  • “We walked so they could run.” (30:31, Gigi Gorgeous)
• Lighthearted Ending
  • On a possible future dating show: “Should I do a dating show? Gigi’s new boyfriend...” (62:14, Gigi Gorgeous)
  • “They’re sitting pretty and they’re here to stay. I’m done. Come on, Garth Fisher.” (63:31, Gigi Gorgeous)

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Important Timestamps

• Gigi’s Childhood and Sibling Support: 03:12—04:32
• Coming Out Experiences: 27:19 (gay at 15), 31:47 (trans at 19)
• Social Media Rise and Impact: 23:02—25:28
• Parenting Approaches & Discussion of Gender: 39:08—41:56
• Transition Surgery and Regret: 34:53—37:22
• Divorce and Personal Rebuilding: 52:26—61:47
• Dating Again & Life After Divorce: 61:55—64:39

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Tone and Takeaways

The episode maintains a conversational, humorous, and nurturing tone. Both Gigi and Avery are unfiltered but always kind, moving fluidly between laughter and vulnerability, and never shying away from the difficult realities of both online life and deeply personal transformation. Standout themes include the importance of living authentically, the critical impact of a loving support system, and the vital need for ongoing empathy and kindness—both online and off.

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Find Gigi Gorgeous:
"I am Gigi Gorgeous everywhere. And, yeah, just Google me." (68:08)

Closing Cheers:
"Cherish every phase, own your truth, and remember—actions (and kindness) speak louder than words. Cheers!”

Transcript

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[Avery Woods]

Hi, welcome to Cheers. I'm your host, Avery Woods. Hi, Gigi.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Hi.

[Avery Woods]

How are you?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, my God. Good.

[Avery Woods]

How are you? I'm so good. I'm so happy you're here. And I was just telling you off camera, my little spiel that I'll say again, but I've watched you literally from the beginning, like you were one of the first at that time boys I saw do makeup, you and Manny.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

And then I watched your love Manny. Love him so much. And then I watched your entire process coming into who you are. And I feel like it was the first time that I, I don't know who else was posting at that time, but for me personally, it was the first person I ever saw go through that experience and like, open my eyes to what the trans community is, what.

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[Avery Woods]

And I want to thank you for that because you really, like, set the tone for a lot of what society is today, especially in the beauty world.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, thank you so much for opening with that. My God. I'm like, what intro?

[Avery Woods]

Well, I mean, it's true. It's. It's very factual. Like I remember. It's interesting because before I interview people, I'll always do research and like look back at old videos and certain things. And so many videos were coming up and I was like, oh, I remember watching that. I remember watching on YouTube, like one of your videos came up where you were in bed and it was like a voice memo of you, like waking up. Be like, wait, when did I. Who texted me? Like, what did I Do last night? Something like that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that one, too. I think it was, like, my morning routine. That was, like, a little trolling vibe.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Being like, oh, I had to look at my phone for clues of what happened last night because I blacked out.

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[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, just, like, silly.

[Avery Woods]

And you. I loved that because that wasn't super common like that, like, satire, comedy back then, especially as, like, a beauty creator. And it was so unique. But I remember, obviously, like, it stuck. And you are super successful. I want to know about your childhood. I want to know about your family and how you were raised and coming to be the person that you are today. Was that accepted for you to be able to play with makeup and experiment, or is that something that you kind of took a hold on yourself?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I. I mean, definitely took a hold on myself. I feel like it was one of those things that was like, my dirty little secret for a little bit. You know, I had. I grew up with two brothers.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So we were all obviously in the same house, and we grew up in Canada, Toronto, which was very progressive and great, but not. I never was hanging out with people like me, so it was very much like, okay, I'm different. But the Internet was, like, my escape. Truly. Like, I was like, okay, there's people out there like me. They're just not in my real life. So I would. You know, I didn't have the funds to, like, go buy makeup or, you know, get the things that I wanted, so I would, like, often shoplift and, like, you know, find other ways to get makeup. And I would just, like, play in my room. So my brothers were always really accepting. I don't know why or how, but they always just were on board with me.

[Avery Woods]

I love that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. And I was just like, every time I told them something, they weren't, like, weirded out or anything. Like, my brothers would invite me out to, like, hang with their friends, and I'm like, my, you know, high school. Like, people don't even do that for me. Yeah. My brothers are doing that for me. I was like, wow, okay. That's a way to show love. You know what I mean? Like, words mean something, but, like, actions speak louder than words.

[Avery Woods]

So especially publicly, to be like, I'm not ashamed of who you are.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

My sibling. Yeah. Like, this is who he, she is, whatever at the time. And I was just like, wow, okay. I didn't really appreciate it at the time. I was like, okay, you're good, but let's, like, battle what is needed to be conquered for sure kind of vibe.

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[Avery Woods]

Yeah, and that's what I would want like as a mom for my, my kids to have that type of relationship with their siblings.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. Yeah. Just like unconditional love. Yeah, that's what it felt like.

[Avery Woods]

At what age did you realize you were different from your brothers?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, immediately, immediately. I think a lot of trans people suppress their gender identity because of society. Like I really felt it from the jump. I would do, you know, all the things I mean literally like everybody watching like you know the, the Kitchen rag as like a wig. I used to do that and like you know, like My Little Mermaid was my favorite movie ever. Like very just like girly, girly, girly stuff. And then like, you know, the bullies kick in, society kicks in and you just really tame it back and you're like this is not, you know, this is gonna get me hurt physically, emotionally, mentally. And you just suppress it and then finally you hit A breaking point. And you're like, it's time to be me.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And some people it's teenagers, Some people it's, you know, we've seen plenty of people in the press, like 50, 60, totally never too late. But, like, it will, it will creep.

[Avery Woods]

Up, it will catch up with you. And I feel like it's the same not just with the trans community, but also the amount of stories that will come out about, you know, a man being married to a woman for 20 years, having a full family, and then once their kids leave, it's like, actually, I'm gay, I want to be married to a man. Like, it is very common. And it always makes me sad hearing stories like that because, you know, their entire life they've never lived in their truth.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You know?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, it's sad. It's sad for the, the woman in that case as well. Like, I'm just like, oh my God, the wasted time.

[Avery Woods]

Absolutely.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know, all the things, it's just sad all around. I just wish that people could just speak loudly and have people around them that build them up instead of having them suppress who they really are, you know, and oftentimes it's that way.

[Avery Woods]

I agree. Were you going to school with makeup on? Like in high school and stuff?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So I would leave my house, my mom would kiss me and my brothers every single day. We would walk to our bus stop and every week or so I would have like a little bit more makeup on. I would have like mascara, and my mom wouldn't see me until she, like, kissed me goodbye. So I was like, what is she gonna say? Like, I'm gagging. And then, you know, I'd kiss her and she'd be like, is that mascara? And I'd be like, but it's like too late for her to say that I can't take it off or whatever, or nail polish, whatever, you know. So, yes, I was. And it was like the spray tan, just experimenting with beauty. Like, I was obsessed. Like, one day I had like acrylic nails for the first time and she was like, what are those? Like, you have to take those off. And I was like, oh, no, they're acrylic, babe. Like, these are like cemented on.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. They're like, there's no taking this.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

There's no taking these off, baby.

[Avery Woods]

So you made sure that you were, you were set in your ways and there was nothing she could do.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. Like, it was down to the wire.

[Avery Woods]

It's funny, like, my four year old daughter just did press on. Like, we got Kids press on nails for her. And like the beast I have awakened in this child, she is like beauty to the T. She. Because I'm so grateful for my job that I get so much PR and so she'll like fill her little vanity.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So like this morning she put on Tower 28 blush and hourglass setting spray and Mac like lip gloss.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You know the shiny clear one.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Girl do I know. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And then had her like press on nails and we're like driving to school and the teacher gets her out and was like, stevie, did you do your blush today? She's like, and setting spray. But like when I first put press on nails on her, this is her on every piece of furniture in the whole house.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

She's doing ASMR 100%.

[Avery Woods]

And I said, I have awakened like, like the beauty guru out of you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Wow.

[Avery Woods]

Once they get that first set on, there's no going back.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I mean, I love it and I hate it. Like I'm not a mother, but I feel like I would be like, slow down.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know, like it's too much.

[Avery Woods]

Well, and that's why I'm like, she can do her blush because it's like a very light powder blush, clear gloss. And then she thinks setting spray is like, you know, extra fabulous when really it's not doing anything.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's not that. It's like hairspray.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. But like we're not doing mascara. Even when she has her dance performances. Like, it's hard for me to even put the red lipstick on her.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Right.

[Avery Woods]

I won't even put heat on her hair. It's so beautiful and virgin.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, I will not cut my kids hair. Be like, that's going to grow forever because like, you will pay for it later. Trust.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my seven year old son has the most healthy blonde hair like down to here. It's gorgeous. Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Love.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And he doesn't want a man bun or anything. He just likes his locks.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Good for hair.

[Avery Woods]

The innocence of children.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. Well, on the flip side though, I feel like honestly now like their, their realization of beauty and understanding and education of will have them looking good. And they're gonna get over the excess of it all. And then when they get to like our age, they'll be like, I know what's good. That's too much. Already been there, done that.

[Avery Woods]

Totally.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know what I mean?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And we always say like, my husband's very good because we've had conversations about that of like, you know, kids grow so fast that like when she's growing out of clothes. We always make sure it's like, oh, you're on to the next size. Like, we don't ever like, oh, these are too small on you. Like, we're always very careful with the way that we word things for our.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

K. Especially about body stuff.

[Avery Woods]

Yes. Body stuff. And also with makeup. Like, she watches me do my makeup, so she wants, like, the foundation, the mascara, and I'm like, you have perfect skin.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Do not need it.

[Avery Woods]

You do not need it. And, like, you see, mommy doesn't have makeup on most of the time. It's only when I, you know, want to do something extra pretty. Like, so we try to make it so it's an accentuation of their already gorgeous face and not. You need this to look pretty.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, that's very smart, you know, But.

[Avery Woods]

I feel like society needs that more.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

How are you about piercings? Because you have a lot of ear piercings. I'm so jealous. I only have one hole. Okay. But, like, live for a stack.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, you need to do it.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I need to do it. I don't know why I'm such a baby.

[Avery Woods]

It's just I love a good slick back.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I work out so much, so I feel like it's just my automatic accessory.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's so good.

[Avery Woods]

And I do flat backs, so I never take them out. I just sleep in them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they don't. Or I'll do hoops.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

They won't poke the back.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. But I got my daughter's ears pierced when she was five months old because her pediatrician did wasn't like, take her to Claire's and go get a pediatrician again. I'm a doctor. I'm a child doctor.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. So like, her. Her childhood doctor that you see from when they're born through 18. He was like, no, I do it in my office.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And I was like, oh, like a little gun.

[Avery Woods]

No, he did it like, individual needle. Like, the correct way to do it.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, like parent trap with a lemon behind.

[Avery Woods]

Well, I mean, more sterile than that, but yeah, basically. But yeah, like, going to Claire's and those things with the gun is not the best, especially for a squirmy baby.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Right.

[Avery Woods]

And he. He actually recommended it because she was still swaddled at night and said she won't be able to reach her hands up at night when she's in her crib and, like, yank at her ears. So they healed perfectly. Never bothered her. And she's obsessed with them.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

She doesn't want any more, though, because, mommy, I'd be like, I want more.

[Avery Woods]

She hasn't asked, but my son asked.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, I was going to ask about.

[Avery Woods]

Your son too, then. Yeah. So. Because boys at his school have ear earrings.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

But they're most.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Come on, California fifth grader.

[Avery Woods]

I know, 100%. That's like such a Calabasas thing.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Totally.

[Avery Woods]

So I said, not right now, but when you get to maybe like 10 or 12, we can talk about it. Because I don't care if my son has ear piercings. I think people are so weird about stuff like that. Like, even my son having long hair.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

The comments I get would shock you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, my God, it's California. Oh, it's like, surfer, bro. What's up, dude? Like, duh.

[Avery Woods]

I think people that are were born and raised in more conservative states that maybe haven't traveled out, don't realize every other boy in his school has long blonde hair.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Right. You know, it's a blessing.

[Avery Woods]

But, like, I've been asked, like, are you foiling his hair? I said no.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

He just has natural highlights.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

For sure.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Like, I take him to salon every six weeks.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. What are you talking about?

[Avery Woods]

Oh, don't get me started. When he was little, little, like three maybe going on four, Stevie became obsessed with nightgowns. And so she always wanted her princess nightgown on. And then he was like, I want a nightgown. Like, hello. So I got her. Got him a nightgown. Because I'm sorry, me buying my son a nightgown doesn't make him gay. Does it make me, like, him want.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

To be a girl?

[Avery Woods]

People were like, you're making your son a cross dresser. So anyways, I put together a video of me putting together their Easter baskets.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And I had added their little nightgown, not thinking anything of it. Oh, I got destroyed.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

What brand were the nightgowns? Was it like Target Muumus?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, they were just like the princess ones, like, from movies that they like. He loved Tangled because he was that's three, four years old.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

No, that's sad. That's sad.

[Avery Woods]

I literally will still get like, you know, on your Tick Tock, you'll have.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Like a search bar.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, literally.

[Avery Woods]

The other day it said, avery Wood's son, nightgown. I'm like, that was four years ago.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, my God. Does he have a phone in Tick tock to see that?

[Avery Woods]

Absolutely not.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay, good.

[Avery Woods]

My kids will not have social media until they can pay their own phone bill. Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, 18.

[Avery Woods]

Yep, 18.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, that's a good rule.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. No, I will not allow social.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay. Yeah. I often think about that when I have kids. When will they get, like, devices? For safety reasons, obviously, but social media, like, I feel like I would run it for a little bit, but they're so crafty.

[Avery Woods]

Like, I'll. We'll allow phones for the sense of, like you said, safety. But like, they have iPads, but we have parent control like Apple does. Parent control. So we can see every app that they have open. Like, we don't allow YouTube or any of that. We don't allow games like Roblox and stuff because they have like the online chat. And I'm like, I don't know who the fuck you're talking to.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Avery Woods]

So like, anytime they try to like, oh, open another app or like download something, it pops up on a notification, like on our phones. So we'll do the same for this.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

How often do you get those pop ups?

[Avery Woods]

Not often. It's like if they get an ad on one of their games, it'll say like, buy now. And he'll try to buy it because he wants that. Like the game that's being advertised. Because those companies know what they're doing.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

They're like, we're gonna get these kids 100.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, yeah, go in mom's purse.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. But as far as social media, I just think, I think it's become too toxic. And also when their mom works online, there's millions of people about who I am. I'm like, no, no, no. I want you just to focus on who I am as your mom and not like, they have no idea what I do for a living.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Really?

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah. No, no.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

They don't even ask.

[Avery Woods]

No, no.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Interesting.

[Avery Woods]

Because I, I'm technically a registered nurse, so I worked as a nurse and so they still say like, my mommy's.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

A nurse, mommy's a nurse. Which I'm like, keep it.

[Avery Woods]

That's technically not.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, yeah, we're not lying and we're not going further.

[Avery Woods]

When do you think you would allow your kids to have a, have social media?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's so difficult because my dad always got from his job, he got free phones. Like it was like the PR that we get that, like, he would always get free phones. So I forget the first time that I was given a cell phone, but it was very young because there was just so many phones coming in our house. And I remember, like there was like this, I think it was like a BlackBerry flip phone.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, those were the.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Or something. And there was like, you could get a few channels of TV on it. Oh, and I was like the cool kid at school for sure for that little bit. And I was like. And it was like grainy as, like you could barely see anything. But I was like, we, we're watching sports, we're on mtv. But like, whatever. And then I would come with a new one, you know, So I don't know. I mean, honestly, as long as I can hold off, I would say, because once you're in, you're in.

[Avery Woods]

And you take their innocence away.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. Like a lot of my friends have kids and like, they're very screen oriented. Like at dinner it's like iPad here.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And like in the face, like three inches away. I'm like, that's cute. To keep them quiet. But like, it's addicting.

[Avery Woods]

It is. And that's like, we've set such hard boundaries with tablet time because we saw such a huge change in their behavior the more screen time they were on.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, would they get angry when they were off of it? What do you mean?

[Avery Woods]

They would have more like emotional outbursts, if that makes sense. And even when we first got them tablets, it was because we were traveling and so we were like for. For flights and stuff. We did iPads so we could download stuff. Cuz I'm like, well, I'm not getting him a phone. And at first it was just like the Amazon, like fire Kindle. So there was no Internet or anything on it. You just kind of downloaded stuff. But when we first put YouTube kids on, we had to take it off because even YouTube kids had the craziest stuff that was coming up and they started saying things and I'm like, where did you learn that?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You learn that? Oh, that's so freaky.

[Avery Woods]

That's weird.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And so I just. We just cut it out in general and then lowered the amount of time that they could use it. And we're like a no tablet at dinner type family. We use that time for our family time. And we don't need to watch something. You can watch something after, but we'll watch a movie on the TV as a family all together. I don't know why it's different compared to comparing my kid on an iPad versus watching a movie as a family. Feels like bonding time.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. It's more like like OG vibes, I guess. Yeah. You know, like that's what you did in the 90s to do.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

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[Avery Woods]

Was YouTube the first platform you ever uploaded to?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So my first one was MySpace. Oh, did you ever have a MySpace?

[Avery Woods]

Oh yeah. Top 10. Are you kidding?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't it top eight?

[Avery Woods]

Mine was top 10.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay. I think mine was top eight. Oh, I don't know.

[Avery Woods]

Maybe I joined.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I like forget. I was more of like a fan of people on there but you know. Yeah, like taking like, you know, a photo would be like a big deal for sure. Whereas now it's like eight videos. A YouTube video promo video, TikToks trending sounds but like I feel like back then it was like, ooh, I want to do my makeup like this and take like a photo. Like the photo. And that was like Addicting. So that was kind of my, like, intro. And I would, like, sneak into my dad's, like, office that night, I remember. And it was, like, when everyone was sleeping, I would log into, like, our family computer, and I'll log on to my MySpace and, like, upload my pictures and just, like, talk to people on there.

[Avery Woods]

Wow. And then how soon after that did you start YouTube?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I started in 2008.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So I don't know the timeline of that, but I started pretty early. Like, it was like, OG days.

[Avery Woods]

Do you remember what you first uploaded?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I uploaded my daily makeup routine.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, my God, that's precious.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And I put Rihanna's Disturbia behind it.

[Avery Woods]

Such a good song.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So, like, that's telling of the times. I mean, still a banger, if you ask me.

[Avery Woods]

So good.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

But, yeah. And I think that now, actually, it's still up, but I think that they took it off because of copyright, and they put, like, a random song behind it. So now it's just, like, a lame wack song. I'm like, that was disturbing.

[Avery Woods]

And it's. You, like, beating your face, right?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, like, with my stupid camera on the floor. Bad lighting. That's so stolen makeup.

[Avery Woods]

How long were you Uploading to YouTube before you feel like it really took off for you?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Ooh, probably like a year, I would say.

[Avery Woods]

And do you feel like people were supportive or were you getting hate comments?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, I was always getting hate comments.

[Avery Woods]

Because you were at that time a boy doing makeup.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. Very different, very singular. I felt very alone.

[Avery Woods]

Well, there was no. There was really no community.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

No, there really wasn't. I mean, like, a little bit, but, like, not in my community. Like, and I remember in high school, it. It was like a light switch. Like, it was very much like, you know, they're very weird. They're crazy. What are they doing? And then something clicked. I don't know when. And I think that this is very, like, symbolic of a lot of things in people's lives. Like, you go against the grain, and you just feel alone. You feel like you're on an island. And it takes that perseverance. And, like, I will be alone. I will fight for this because I believe in it. Like, nobody's gonna believe in it as much as you do. And I don't know when it switched, but it did. And then people online were perceiving me positively, and people at my high school, which, you know, you're at for nine to two every day, eight to three, and it just really clicked. And I was like, wow, I'm getting Respect. And it's like what I've put in is paying off.

[Avery Woods]

Good for you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And thank you.

[Avery Woods]

I also think you didn't know it at the time, but probably that feeling was knowing that you were really changing the future of this industry. And I'm so glad that you stuck with it because you really paved the way for so many people and so many people in your position to have the confidence to be able to upload and do things that they want, you know?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. Well, that was my. That was my number one goal, I feel like. So, you know, like in the comments, there's like 100 comments and you can see one negative comment and you'll forget all of the 99 positive ones. Back then, I think it was actually quite opposite for me. So I would see one positive comment of somebody saying, like, wow, like, you gave me the confidence to wear makeup to school today. You gave me the confidence to come out. You gave me the confidence to start transitioning, whatever. I would hold on to that. And then at some point, point it changes and there's a lot of love and positivity, but you see a negative comment and it'll bring you down.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's because they know how to cut deep.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Exactly.

[Avery Woods]

They know exactly what's going to bother you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's just the, the, you know, the nature of the storm. It really is, like, I don't know. It used to not. And I miss those times. I really do, because, like, just seeing one positive comment that would, like, brighten up your day. Like, if we could just go back there, it'd be so nice.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. I feel like social media is just so toxic now.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I agree.

[Avery Woods]

Unfortunately, and I agree. Although I do feel like there was a lot of crazy shit going on behind the scenes with people in, like, the OGs that started on social media that I feel like a lot of that stuff wouldn't be happening now. But I also feel like the toxicity of the. The online behavior is crazy.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. It's just oversaturated. More gnarly. Things go crazy faster. People have. They just dig, dig, dig, dig, dig. There's just more avenues for trash, in my opinion.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

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[Avery Woods]

Yeah, I know. You said that. You were getting comments from people saying that they. You gave them the confidence to come out. At what age did you come out?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I came out as gay when I was 15.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So I was like a diver. I was springboard and platform diver.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, cool.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. And I was actually like, a national champion in Canada.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. Period.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I know. So I was Like a real. It wasn't like a hobby. It was like, my okay on the way to the Olympics period. And then I quit, and then I started YouTube, started being myself, and then came out at 15. And then I came out as trans when I was 19.

[Avery Woods]

And what was your family's reaction when you came out at 15?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Difficult. My dad is, like, a true dad. Like, stoic, but, like, you know, wanted to hold it together. Yeah. And then my mom just, like, cried.

[Avery Woods]

Really?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. It was sad. But I get it now because she just wanted me to be safe.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And, you know, around that time, this is, you know, over 10 years ago, it was very much like, you know, are they gonna get hurt? Yeah. And it's still like that. But I think it was worse then, especially, like, in our world of people that we knew.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So she was just like, oh, my God, this is another thing on one of my kids.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know what I mean?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Not. She was always very accepting. I mean, I've. I've told this story before, but my mom would have this, like, gay photographer come over to our house. All of my aunts would come over. They would get glam. There was, like, boas and props. They would do, like, a photo shoot.

[Avery Woods]

Divas.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, my mom was, like, into it.

[Avery Woods]

Love it.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

But I think for her kid, it's different.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

She was like, I really don't want them to get, like, beat up or bullied more. All the things.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I completely empathize with that as a mom, because we are, like, the most accepting household. Like, we wouldn't even bat an eye if any of our kids came out. That's just, you know, like, that's just how I was raised. And my husband was raised polar opposite. Like, he was a pastor's kid that was not accepting. And when he became an adult and came out, like, was out in the real world, he was like, I just don't believe in that. And so we've raised our kids very different from how he was raised. And so I would never, ever have an issue with any of my kids being gay. But. But thinking that they have to go through extra challenges that I might not necessarily have to go through or my husband doesn't have to go through. That's what worries me. Or, like, to add another target, as if being a kid nowadays isn't hard enough. And then you add that on top of it, because people are raised in different households with different beliefs, and, like, kids are told from their parents what to believe in or what they think is right and wrong. And then they bring that information to school, and that's what causes bullying a lot of times. And so I understand, you know, your mom's feeling. Because she just wanted you to be safe.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, I. I mean, nowadays I feel like being gay and trans and non binary is, like, cool. Like, I see it being celebrated online a lot.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Which I'm, like, jealous.

[Avery Woods]

You're like, where the was this?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Literally, I'm like, oh, my God. I had to, like, trudge through the mud for people to even look at me in high school.

[Avery Woods]

You're like, you're welcome, everyone.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. Literally paving the way for you. We. We walked so they could run.

[Avery Woods]

Exactly, exactly.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

But, you know, there still is that worry. Even though it is celebrated now. It is very scary. I can't even imagine having having a child and them being like, oh, I'm. I'm gay or I'm trans. I would be like, I just want to hold you so much. And a lot of the trans community, they just want to run and they want to escape and delete their old life. And that's something that I thought about. I had already been very public with my sexual orientation, gender identity online, but it was something that I decided in the moment that I'm going to be public with this. I'm going to tell everybody, all of my friends. This is my new name. These are my new pronouns. And anybody that's not into it or doesn't accept it, then you're not meant to be a part of my life.

[Avery Woods]

Good for you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Instead of running. And I think that now there's so many people on social media sharing their stories and everything, that it is less of a runaway factor and more of like, let's embrace this and work through this together. And if you're not about it, then fuck off.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, for sure. What was your family's reaction when you came out four years later as trans?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Well, it was hard. It was definitely very hard. My brothers were always really accepting. My dad took a little bit. It was more like the social. Like, it was like, whenever, you know, Christmas would come around, I'd be like, hi, how are you?

[Avery Woods]

They're like, here comes a diva.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, my God. Hi, nice to meet you.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. And like, you know, the older people in my family would be like, hi. Yeah. Well, I'm like, I've been. I've been here totally.

[Avery Woods]

And still to this day, I feel like there's certain old people that are like, I just don't get it. I don't understand. And I'm like, and you never will. Yeah, but that's okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, it's something. If you hate it, you don't have to get it.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

But just don't hate on it.

[Avery Woods]

For sure.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. So it was difficult, but you just have to kind of be that. That's literally, like, it's a responsibility to be trans. I've always said that. It really is. Like, you don't sign up to be a teacher, but in a way you do, because there's always going to be people questioning. There's always going to be people that don't understand, will never understand. So you kind of have to be that bitch that walks in the room and is like, hey, this is me. Command the, you know, vibe of it all. And in a way, you have to put on, you know, and, you know, set the tone. Read the room, but set the tone. You can't go in meek and be like, everyone.

[Avery Woods]

You know, like, shy, not confident.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Doesn't get me. Yeah. Or like, oh, my God, Like, I feel so insecure. Like, no, you kind of have to, like, put on your best face.

[Avery Woods]

Do you feel like. Because I feel like you've carried that responsibility with you for a very long time, even if you didn't notice it when you first started. So has that pressure ever gotten to you where you feel like people look to you to come out or be their true selves? Like, has that ever affected you?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, all the time. All the time. I, like, I'm asked things that, like, I have no idea about. So I often. I'm always like, okay, I'll speak to what I know. I'll speak to my personal experience and all of those things. But, like. Like, I'm not gonna get into all the politics and the government and, you know, the legal of it all, because I don't know all of the facets of those topics currently. But people often look to you for that.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

But I think the best thing is to just live authentically, live in your truth, educate those around you. And, I mean, you hear it all the time, but if you can change one person's opinion by sharing your story, then it's worth it.

[Avery Woods]

Totally.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And I think that if you could do that, like, once or twice a day, make someone smile, you know, turn someone's beliefs around, I think that that's worth it.

[Avery Woods]

For sure.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I've seen you publicly talk about transition surgery. Is that the correct terminology?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's gender reassignment surgery.

[Avery Woods]

Thank you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Or confirmation surgery. I think one of the two, because.

[Avery Woods]

I've heard you say that People have messaged you that they've done that surgery and then regretted it because so many complications have come from that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Which I've read about, but hearing you speak about it was very eye opening to me because obviously they find comfort in speaking to you and opening up about it. Is that a surgery you ever got?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So actually, it's not even people writing into me. It's like friends of mine.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. As well.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

On top of. Yeah. So, you know, people, when they. When they transition, a lot of the time, especially when I did, like, over 10 years ago, it was very much like when you get bottom surgery, which I don't even know if that's the correct term. Again, this is just my experience. This is what I love. This is how I talk to my friends.

[Avery Woods]

It's real. It's authentic.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. So when you get bottom surgery, you're done. And that was my goal when I started transitioning. I was like, okay, you know, gonna get this, that, the other. And then when I get a vagina.

[Avery Woods]

Done, like, meaning you're a woman.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. And you're done with your transition, and you're just officially like, a woman. And, you know, through life experience and all that, it's just giving very much a different set of morals, values, life experience. Just so much has changed along the ride that I personally would have regretted getting that surgery, because now I'm so happy that I did not.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And who's to say, you know, yeah, I'm still young, I'm still healthy. Who's to say, you know, I've had this for this long. Let's get this, and let's change it up. Who knows?

[Avery Woods]

And also, as, like, technology and medical advances come to life, like, you don't know what could be in the future that could maybe make you change your mind.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. To my trans sisters out there and my trans brothers, like, I pray. I really do. Like, it is. It is very, very grueling.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And it makes me so sad because these people were just born into the wrong body.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You know, and, like, and they had.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

To go through all of this.

[Avery Woods]

They had to go through all of it, and they just want to be themselves. And I just don't feel like we've gotten to the point medically for people to feel super confident in getting that surgery quite yet, because these stories are now coming out, and I hope we can, you know, get to a place.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Where I do, too. I just want it to be, like, always 100% success rate, and that's obviously never, like, I Had my mom, she fought cancer twice. She ended up losing it the second time. But I just wish that, you know, everything was success. Like, if you go into it fighting and you really are giving it your all. I just want it to be successful.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And it's like so discouraging when everything is, you know, all of the chips are in your corner. You know, you have this support system, you're into it, and then it doesn't work out.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So I just wish that for people that want, want and need that, you know, because it is. It is life or death.

[Avery Woods]

Me too.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

A lot of the time.

[Avery Woods]

I wanted to ask you honestly, just personally, for myself as a parent, because like I said, we have a very open, accepting household. But what would be your recommendation when I have the chat with my children about the trans community? Because I wanted to ask you as a trans woman yourself, because it's a very touchy subject. Obviously. I don't ever want to explain it to them in anything that's offensive or.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Terminology that's not correct.

[Avery Woods]

But they're very inquisitive and they ask questions and. And that's something that I love. Like, we have a very open communication household where we're gonna talk about things, be honest. And I think it's important because I didn't grow up in a house like that, and I feel like that's what creates rebellion. And then asking outside sources that don't know what they're talking about, and then educating my kids in a way that's not correct. So when explaining the trans community and trans people to my kids, what something like, what's a way that you recommend I have that conversation with them?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know what? I would actually think that they're probably in the same room as a lot of trans kids.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Probably.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know what I mean? So I'd be like, do you guys know what trans is?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Is there anybody in your class that is identifies as trans?

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Or whatever, you know what I mean? Because I feel like, like elementary school classrooms are a lot different than they were when we were growing up.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yep.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So I wonder. And we're in California, baby.

[Avery Woods]

Oh. When we did our school tour at our kids school.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Last spring. So almost a year ago, we were touring with a mom and she has a lower grade kid. So their lower grade is K through fifth grade. So at least below fifth grade. And she said her daughter is trans.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Really? How exciting is that?

[Avery Woods]

I think she was like third or fourth grade.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So that's only a couple years away from my son. And so it's very true. Where it's very likely that there's probably kids in their class that are.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. I wonder what their take on it would be.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know what I mean?

[Avery Woods]

I like to ask them, like, I. I'll do the same. Like when we had the conversation about gay marriage, I'm like, well, you can marry a woman if you want. We're talk, my son, that we're having this conversation. You can marry a woman if you want, but if you're in love with a man and you want to marry a man, that's also okay. And that's when they're like. Like Scotty, who's their gunkle, as we call him, but we would then ask him, like, is, do you think it's okay for a guy to marry a guy? Well, of course, mom. They love him.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

That's what he said. Yes. Oh, so, like, you're already like, oh, light years ahead.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah. My kids, we're like a hippie chill family. I'm obsessed. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm not gonna raise hateful kids.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

We need more kindness and empathy in this world.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

There's a lot more to hate than what people identify as or who they want to sleep with. Like, let's be real.

[Avery Woods]

Thank you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

There's so much worse going on.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay. Amazing. Amazing. So even if you were to. I don't. I honestly advice wise to go back to your question. I don't know what I would tell my children. Yeah. I think I would just ask them and then, like, you know, pim, like, tennis match them and be like, so why do you think this? Or, like, who do you know? Or, like, why do you feel that way?

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Because I feel like telling. I'm a Taurus. Aries cusp.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So I'm very stubborn.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So what I'm told to do, oftentimes.

[Avery Woods]

You'Re not going to.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I do the opposite.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So if you tell me something that I should think that way, I will challenge it and probably think my own way.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Because I. I just, you know, I don't ever want them to. I don't ever want to tell them something and then that, like, convinces them that they are something that they're not. If that makes sense. Like, influence them to do that, because we'll always accept who they are. But I want them to discover that on their.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

So anyways, I just.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Well, it sounds like they're already on the right track.

[Avery Woods]

Thank you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, it sounds like you're, like, the perfect parents.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, perfect. Definitely Not. No one's perfect in that sense.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, you're doing a great job, it sounds like. I mean, honestly. And they're so young. Like, oh my God, imagine.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, they're little cuties. I'll show you pictures after.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes.

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[Avery Woods]

At what point did you realize like YouTube was a career for you?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I think when. So I went to college. I was like enrolled in college, but I never really went. I moved downtown Toronto and I was really excited to have my own place and like obviously got up to like a lot of like nonsense, like living alone, you know, whatever.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Like I'm free.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. And I was making like my own money and I just didn't really want to go to school. So I would just like lie to my parents, say I was going and never go. I didn't even. You know, when you go to college you get like an id, like a student card.

[Avery Woods]

You didn't even get that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I didn't even get that. Like, that's how much I didn't go.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, I think I went like three times. Like, you know what?

[Avery Woods]

You still attended college?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I still was enrolled, yeah. That's what I like to say.

[Avery Woods]

Love that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So it was a messy time, but it's when I started getting flown out places. That's when I was like, this is major. Like, I'm getting out of my city and I'm hanging in groups that I think I identify with. Like, I remember I got flown out. I remember it was New York Fashion Week and Just Dance the video game.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, that thing was the shit.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I know. And like, where is it now?

[Avery Woods]

I don't know. But I fucked with Just Dance.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I didn't. But they called and I picked up 100%.

[Avery Woods]

And that was the only cardio. You could catch me doing that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Exactly. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I literally. It was like Just Dance 4 or something like that.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And it was a fashion show, you know, pop up event. And they flew me out and it was. Is his name Austin Mahone? Austin Mahone, Yep. Yeah, him and Kendall Jenner was walking.

[Avery Woods]

Hell, yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And I remember, I think Chris was there, Kylie was there, and it was like this big deal. And that was kind of the trip that I found. I found out that I was trans because, like, of people that I met. But I was like, I'm in New York City and they flew me out and I was like, this is so exciting. And like, these are the crowds that I want to be in. Like, I can't be around the people that I hung out with in high school. For the most part, I need to be around, like, city, city, city. So I think that's when I was like, this is what I want to do.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And I also think our industry is very unique because we're kind of in our own bubble, but we're all so weird and accepting. Like, there's all different walks of life industry, and people are really artsy and love beauty and are gay, trans, straight, bi, whatever the case may be. But we all, we all have this very interesting, wild career, but we realize that we need support. And so I feel like you probably were like, oh, I found my people.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It is like a back and forth. Because I feel like a lot of people in our industry are insufferable and like, I actually cannot stand them.

[Avery Woods]

I can't even imagine the stories you have.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

No. Like, everyone is so up their own ass. Ego maniacs, beyond fake as shit. And, like, it's just not the vibe. So it's like, once you find a few people, it's cute, but for the most part, I just like the environment of creativity and people that are just, like, different. I find when I'm around, like, other people in different careers, it's like, that's your lane. Yeah, But I will never fit in there.

[Avery Woods]

I feel like when I'm surrounded by people in our industry, it really motivates me professionally and business wise, because we all kind of, like, light fires under each other's ass where we motivate them or, like, we can kind of bounce off each other creatively. And I feel like when you surround yourself with successful people, it grows with you. Like, you grow and be successful. But I feel like in my personal life, I love nothing more than to be surrounded by friends that don't even have social media.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, I love that too.

[Avery Woods]

Like, all my mom friends from school, like, I cherish that time so much, they'll have, like, like 50 Instagram followers in a private account.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, but do they not talk to you about your job, though, because you're so major? So I feel like they would be like, oh, my God, we just saw you did this. Like, so exciting.

[Avery Woods]

Well, it's funny because my kids just started this school this year in August, and I just hosted all the moms to come to my house a couple weeks ago. And one of the moms.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

That your toxic mom friend group?

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah. No, not at all. That's what I love. They're not toxic. And I'm like, like, thank God.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Grateful.

[Avery Woods]

I need, like, so grateful for that, that we're all, like, in our 30s. Just, like, slow mom life, you know, like, no drama.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

It's very.

[Avery Woods]

It's very child. And our kids go to the same school till they graduate high school, so it's very small knit. So, like, I had the TK moms over, and my daughter's four. She'll be graduating high school with these kids when she's 18.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, my God. Hopefully nothing goes awry.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Oh, don't say that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I know my peaceful life.

[Avery Woods]

And I'm like, oh. But anyways, one of the moms and our kids were in summer camp last year, so it's been almost a year. And she was like, I had no idea what you did for a living. Like, one of your videos popped up on Tick Tock. And I was like, I get really embarrassed.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You're like, oh, yeah, major.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

No, I don't. I don't, like, ever talk about what I do.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Like, if people ask what I do, I just say, like, I work in social media. I. I get really shy about it. I don't know why.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I'm the same way, by the way. Whenever, like, even on an airplane when.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know, whatever. Like, conversation strikes, they're like, what do you do? I'm like, like, everything.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Like, I have, like, one of my last flights, someone had stopped me that was a really sweet follower and, like, asked for a picture.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

And then I sat down.

[Avery Woods]

And then the person, like, directly next to me was like, so you're a pretty big deal, huh? And I was like, no, I'm just a mom. And I put my eye mask on. I was like, yeah, he thinks I'm so rude, but I get so shy.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You know, it's.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

That's cute, though, to be humble about it. Well, I like that. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I mean, my husband and I came from nothing. We're first responders. Like this. This career was not something I ever, like, predicted or expected.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I'm obsessed. And you know what? It really shows. And, you know, I've always been a big. A big champion of. Don't toot your own horn. Have other people toot it for you. Yeah. Like, if you're that major and you're that great, it'll be said about you.

[Avery Woods]

I love that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Be humble.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, I love that. And that's why I feel like it is so important to surround yourself with people that aren't in this industry. Because, I mean, and I have so many amazing friends in this industry. Don't get me wrong. It's not like they're. They're all bad. Yeah, they're not all bad, but I think it just gives you that humility and keeps you grounded and just gives. Gives you normality, if that makes sense, you know? And so it's a balance that I try to keep.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I think a lot of people in the spotlight, like, I've heard actors are kind of the same way. Like, I think I just watched something with. It was like Jennifer Lawrence or Emily Blunt or something like that. It was a YouTube video. And they were like, I never talk about what I do. And I was like, even them, like, wow. You know, like, they just want to, like, keep it there and then be real.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yep.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

But I feel like also, like, a really great example. So I just went to Paris Hilton's movie premiere.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, how was it?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It was amazing. Yeah, Amazing. Amazing. She's everything. And. And people get far because they're nice. And everyone has something nice to say about Paris.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And, oh, my God, this is such a circle. Back before we started recording, you said that people had nice things to say about me.

[Avery Woods]

Yep, they did. I was talking to the OG beauty community before she got here, and I was telling her that every single person was like, we love Gigi. Not a bad thing to say about her. And these are people that you've known for, like, decade. Like a decade.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, something would have gone down anyways, not to make it about me, but that was very nice of you to say and share. People make it far because they are nice.

[Avery Woods]

Yes, I agree.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know, like, I think that it's rare that it's like, oh, my God, this celebrity was such a. To me because it's like, you kind of have to be nice and have nice relationships to also. I'm like, have longevity.

[Avery Woods]

Will it kill you to be kind? Like, I just. I will never understand that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, I won't either.

[Avery Woods]

Like, they're below you or trash.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, my God. I would, like, give my T shirt to somebody if they asked same. Like, yeah, sure. Like, people pleaser. Beyond. Like, I don't want to be mean.

[Avery Woods]

What do you have going on? Like, what's this next phase of life for you? Because you've gone through a lot of change in the last couple years.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I have. So, I mean, obviously. I mean, I got a divorce last year, and that was very, very hard. And it's not something that I like to talk about just because I like to give privacy where privacy is respectfully needed.

[Avery Woods]

I respect that a lot.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And it's been a huge change. I mean, being. I was almost with my ex husband for, like, 10 years. Wow. So it's like, you kind of have to, like, relearn how to live and, like, moving and a lot of changes. Like, nobody will ever know that I will never, ever speak about, but things that I had to give up, things that were. I had, you know, I had to. That were taken from me. Just the back and forth of divorce is just gnarly. So that. And then also, like, kind of getting back into my career and pouring back into my cup, because I think we can all relate. Even in happy marriages where everything is going great, you really just. You can lose yourself.

[Avery Woods]

Absolutely.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You know, and it could be. It could be months, it could be years. It could be the entire relationship. You just can lose yourself, and you kind of have to snap back. So I think that that's what I've really been focusing on. And new projects. I mean, I'm doing. There's A few things that I'm working on, but obviously I can't say, which is so annoying. But, like, I don't want to jinx anything because, like, even I'm not sure of them, but, like, I'm just down to, like, pour back into my cup.

[Avery Woods]

I love that. And you know, your. Your phase of life where you were with someone that 10 years, like that early to mid-20s into 30s, like, that's such a pivotal moment in a woman's life.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's so crazy and you don't realize it. Like, I was told so many times you were so young to get married. Like, everyone was supportive because, you know, everything was going great. Yeah. But I look back, I'm like, we were babies. Like, I don't. And I've said before publicly, I will never get married again. Like, I am so, like, that is off limits. What a waste of time. Waste of money. Just be with someone that you love.

[Avery Woods]

Do you feel that way still?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I don't know. See, now I'm like, kind of teetering back to, like. Like, I love love so much.

[Avery Woods]

I think it depends on who you meet.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I agree. But like, it's all so hot and heavy and cute. You get married and it's like, it's fucking sucks when you get divorced.

[Avery Woods]

Totally.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So.

[Avery Woods]

Well, the legal shit that goes into it, you're like, this wasn't talked about when we were, you know. Yeah, we're just hooking up.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It seems so easy. I'm like, these lawyers make everything so hard. I'm like, let's just have one call for sure. Like, I'm a doer. I'm like, give me 15 minutes. Like, we can handle all of this. Like, I'm. I'm a people pleaser.

[Avery Woods]

It's a process.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It is a process. Yep. Months.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's nuts.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And I also think when people hear divorce, like, oh, we just split everything 50, 50. It's like there's so much that goes into it.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's so. It's so different than. I literally thought that. I. I thought that as well, but it's so not like that. It's like, there's rules. I mean, it makes sense why these lawyers live in multi million dollar houses. Like, hello.

[Avery Woods]

They're charging 600 an hour, babe.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, more.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, got it.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It's expensive to get divorced.

[Avery Woods]

It's expensive to do anything in life, but especially getting divorced. Is anything legal is so expensive.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

But I know you guys were very open about starting a family.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. That's the other part that's like, it's so tough being so linear about your goals and what the next few years look like. And we didn't really have, like, we were very open about this. Like, we didn't really have, like, a deadline on, like, oh, we want a kid by this day. We weren't, like, very, you know, matter of fact about it, but we did want it. And, like, we did. I was very open about, like, our IVF journey. We had embryos and all that stuff. So it was very much like, coming, but then, you know, whatever shit happens, and it just ended up up not going through. But it's. It is like, divorce is like death.

[Avery Woods]

And you're like, mourning someone that's alive.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. And I've literally made a YouTube video, like, right after, and I literally compared it to my mom dying because it's very much like the person is right there. We're in the same city, and you don't see them anymore, and they're not a part of your life. You don't know what they're thinking, what they're going through.

[Avery Woods]

So you guys have no relationship at all?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

No, we're good. We're good now.

[Avery Woods]

Okay. That's good.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. But it took a while.

[Avery Woods]

Well. And I'm sure, you know, not needing to know any details of what happened, but I think no matter what, of course, like, feelings get hurt and you're trying to heal and, like, rediscover yourself. And that's probably very hard when you're still speaking to your ex spouse regularly. So sometimes it's good to just take a pause, find yourself, regroup, and then you feel ready to explore that.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. And like, there's. There's a sense of feeling. Like, I don't. I wouldn't necessarily categorize myself as somebody who has abandonment issues, but I think it might have been the first time where I experienced that feeling of, like, whoa. Like, I feel alone on a desert island right now. And like, I was. I never really used to feel like that because, you know, even friends, they, like, move in a different way. Like, it's.

[Avery Woods]

Everything changes because you guys create a community together.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. And we were always like, those people. I was always that person. So it's like, oh, my God. Like, I'm really alone right now. And, like, it feels. It feels very sad.

[Avery Woods]

So it wasn't your decision?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

No.

[Avery Woods]

I'm sorry.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

But I will say, the respect I have for you for being so kind. Like, I watch your YouTube video from start to finish. When you talked about it, it's so easy for you to be able to tell your side, especially when you're hurt. You know, when you're hurt, it's so easy to be reactive, have people take sides because, you know, automatically everyone's gonna say, oh, it must be her fault. Oh, it must be his fault, whatever their assumptions are. But no one will ever know except you guys, you know, and I just have a lot of respect in the way that you handled it and I hope that your ex husband respects you in the same way because you really handled it with such grace and class. Thank you. And I just, just. Yeah, I, I praise you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Thank you.

[Avery Woods]

Because it's hard in this industry, especially when you're the social media girl and like, people already have outside opinions. It's very easily for. It's very easy for you to be blamed, if that makes sense.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, 100. And you know what? Like, there's things that people will just never know.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And that's what we, like, like him and I, we, we both share a lot of respect for each other. And that's something that I cherish because I can't even imagine like if like, you know, born children were involved or like, say we hated each other. Like, I see all of these messy divorces in the press and I'm like, I can't even imagine because ours was pretty, pretty casual, but it was very life changing and very, very sad.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And I can't even imagine going through something that was very detrimental. And you know, we hated each other and it was like years in the, in the making. Like Bethenny Frankel did like a 10 year divorce with a kid.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I mean, I would throw up.

[Avery Woods]

That's what I was every day. I know you guys were on the journey to possibly starting a family and so I'm sure that was very hard. But also a blessing and disguise that you don't have children with this person because that would make things immensely more complicated.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It would. Yes.

[Avery Woods]

You know?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, exactly. I just, I really like, I love the fact that we both respect each other and nothing is being negative. Like, I will never say anything negative about, about our relationship or his family. And I know that he would never do the same to me and that gives me peace.

[Avery Woods]

That's amazing.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

At least we can walk away with just it being an unfortunate situation and not worried that anything is just. It's like a lingering negativity.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

If you know what I mean.

[Avery Woods]

It's giving mature.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

It is giving mature. And like we got married so young and divorced so young. It's like how are we so mature? But it's like, it literally like, thank you, Jesus Christ Almighty. I am Catholic again.

[Avery Woods]

You're like, I've been reborn.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes. Like, oh, my God. Risen.

[Avery Woods]

I'm so dead. Well, are you dating again?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay, so that's another part that's kind of exciting about the rebirth. Dating.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Because I haven't in so long. So it's giving. Like, do you remember? I mean, speaking of Paris. Come on callback. She had, like, Paris's new bff. I mean, I'm like, should I do a dating show? Like. Like Gigi's new.

[Avery Woods]

Are you kidding?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Boyfriend, Right?

[Avery Woods]

Netflix. Hulu. Who's gonna pick this up?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Hulu.

[Avery Woods]

Like, that would be like, it's giving.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Love is blind, but like. Oh, no, it's giving, like Bachelorette.

[Avery Woods]

We need a trans woman Bachelorette.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

That's all I'm saying. Hi. What's Bachelor on abc?

[Avery Woods]

Abc.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Abc.

[Avery Woods]

Abc. Hey, abc, which I think is also Hulu, right? Or they're on Hulu. I don't know. I don't know. Networks. Wait. Okay, vote this.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I vote this too.

[Avery Woods]

Have you gone on any dates since you've been divorced?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yes.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, yeah.

[Avery Woods]

And just like, casual, fun. Like, is it weird to date again?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Um, I mean, yes. Yes. Short answer. Yes, I think. I mean, it's. I don't know. It's a lot different. Like, when I was dating in my, like, early 20s, it was very much like, hide the trans thing. And it was like, that was kind of like the culture around, like, at least my friend group. So it was, you know, very much, I guess, not being 100% authentic with who I was. Whereas now I step into a room and, like, with my full chest, like, this is me with your full chest of tits. Hello. Third boob job.

[Avery Woods]

They're sitting pretty.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

They're sitting pretty and they're here to stay. I'm done. Come on. Garth Fisher.

[Avery Woods]

Oh. Oh, did. Is that who you went to?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

That was my second one.

[Avery Woods]

Okay.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And he gave me like 600 cc's.

[Avery Woods]

Did your. Did your skin lift off your sternum? I'm surprised, because if you have implants too big, like, your skin will lift off your sternum.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, like in the middle?

[Avery Woods]

Yeah, like a uni boob.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, that's good.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

No. Oh, is that why that happened? Yes. I thought it was always. Cuz they cut the circle too.

[Avery Woods]

If you put implants in too big, the skin on your sternum will start to lift off.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, no.

[Avery Woods]

Because my. I got a lift and Implants after I was done breastfeeding because she literally sucked me dry. My nipples were touching my knees. It was crazy.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, my God.

[Avery Woods]

No, we fixed them up. See?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

No, they look gorgeous. And they look, like, natural.

[Avery Woods]

Thank you. I know when girls at the gym saw me, they're like, are your boobs real? I'm like, thank you.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Good size.

[Avery Woods]

But she had told me she put in bigger. One size bigger in the or. And she was like, I sat you up and was like, no, right? She was like, and you are at.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Risk when they sit you up like this?

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, I did that.

[Avery Woods]

When I was in nursing school, I got to watch one of those. And I was like. Like, this is literally standing vertical, completely out on anesthesia just to see if they, like the craziest thing.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So.

[Avery Woods]

And then the surgeon was like, I want you to tell me if they're even. And I said, I'm a second year nursing student. Why the Am I determining what her tits look like? Right?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, don't you know how to look?

[Avery Woods]

I'm like, they look even to me, but, like, I don't know what the I'm supposed to look at.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Right?

[Avery Woods]

Listen, I don't ask questions. I'm just glad that my boobs turned out fine.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. I got my nipple taken off every single time. And I got them done three times.

[Avery Woods]

Do you have any sensation left left?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, tons. Too much.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, really?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Like, even if I wear, like, something, like, sheer that's like, grazing, I'm like.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I still don't really feel a lot.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

How long do you get them done?

[Avery Woods]

March will be three years. Oh, my God.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay. So the feeling's never coming back.

[Avery Woods]

You're like, hey, let me hold your hand while I say this.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay, so that's good. I mean, it's better than having too much because if anybody, like, licks or anything, I'm like, yeah, like, it's too tickly. It's too much.

[Avery Woods]

See? And I, like, immediately went and got my nipples pierced because I couldn't feel a thing.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You have your nipples pierced? Yeah. Oh, I could never. I think I would actually pass out.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, I had it before I had.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Kids and I did it stretch.

[Avery Woods]

No, I was obsessed with them.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You're breastfeeding with. With.

[Avery Woods]

No, no, I took them out. So I'll go back. So I had. Now, I don't know how we're talking about my tits right now, but you brought it up.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

We.

[Avery Woods]

I did.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Pervert. No, I'm just kidding.

[Avery Woods]

You're my favorite person. I'm like, we need to hang out more people with your type of humor. No, I. I got my nipples pierced and I was young, like, I don't know, 19 or 20. And then I. I had my first at 23. So I took them out right when I found out I was pregnant, so they completely were healed. And I breastfed my kids totally fine. It wasn't until after I was done having kids, got my boobs fixed and then I wanted my nipple piercings back. And I was like.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

I was like, my sensation isn't there. Oh, I felt nothing.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

You love piercings. Oh, my God. The ears, everything. Oh, you're so gnarly.

[Avery Woods]

I was like, let me know when you're done. I didn't feel that needle go through my nipple a single time.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Jealous of you.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. So I took advantage. But now I'm kind of like, I miss being able to feel my nipples.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

You know?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. I mean, when I got my forehead done.

[Avery Woods]

You got your forehead done?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. So when I got ffs, they like shaved down your brow bone so it's like flat. Oh, yeah. That's one of the things that got done. I was numb for years.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

On your scalp?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yep. Every weird places. And I would do like this and it would be like pins and needles.

[Avery Woods]

Ew. Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

And I like, you'd tap it here and you would feel it like over here.

[Avery Woods]

Do you know where I had. That was my C section scar.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, I bet. Yeah.

[Avery Woods]

Because that like, deep tissue cut right there. It was that weird, like, tingly nerve sensation. Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

They're trying to like, reattach.

[Avery Woods]

Yes. Okay, well, my. Everyone's yelling at me because no one's yelled, but I. I could talk to you forever.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Ditto.

[Avery Woods]

Because you're so much.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

How long has it been? Like an hour.

[Avery Woods]

Over an hour. Yeah.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Love.

[Avery Woods]

You were such a joy. Oh, my God.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Thanks.

[Avery Woods]

So are you truly even better in person?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Really? Ye.

[Avery Woods]

Yes.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Okay. Live for that. Like, everyone hear that at home?

[Avery Woods]

I'm like, we'll clip it.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

So were you.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. Thank you so much for such an open and honest conversation and giving me the ability to pick your brain about educating my kids and hopefully the world. Because I think it's very important to have conversations like this.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah, I do too. And I feel like you already. You didn't even need this conversation. Like, you're going to be like the best mom. You're like, so nice. I love the hippie vibe. I love the open mindedness and everything. Your husband seems amazing.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Is.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Yeah. So thank you.

[Avery Woods]

Where can everyone find you on socials?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

I am Gigi. Gorgeous everywhere. And, yeah, just Google me.

[Avery Woods]

Yeah. And you'll see some hot pics. Thank you so much for being here.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Oh, thank you for having me.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Cheers, everyone.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Cheers. Unwell.

[Avery Woods]

Cheers period.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Oh.

[Avery Woods]

Oh, yeah. Get that shot.

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Plug my first unwell drink.

[Avery Woods]

It's good, right?

[Gigi Gorgeous]

Mango citrus. Yeah, it's gorgeous.

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[Gigi Gorgeous]

Hey, sorry about your pet, but I just wire stuff.

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