
Avery shakes things up this week with a one-of-a-kind recording session at SYZYGY Precision Tattooing. As the needle buzzes, she sits down with renowned tattoo artist Sydney Smith for an unfiltered conversation about Syd’s journey into the world of tattooing, working with celebrity clients, and the personal stories behind her art. All while Avery gets a meaningful new tattoo. Check out Sydney’s work @sydsmithhh on Instagram or @sydsmithtattoo on TikTok.
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Journey with opill Birth control in your control use code birth control for 25% off your first month of opill@opill.com. hi, welcome to Cheers. I'm your host, Avery Woods. Testing, testing, testing. Hi you guys. We are coming at you with something a little different today. As you all know, I love tattoos. I'm obsessed with getting tattoos. It is an addiction. And of course I'm at my girl Sid's place. Sid is an incredible tattoo artist, celebrity tattoo artist, business owner. Her talent is insane. I have three tattoos on me from her, so we're going to get number four today. And I thought it would be fun to interview her, talk to Sid about her life, how she got into tattooing, the celebrity she tattoos while she's tattooing me. So we are clipped up today. I hope the audio is okay. Doing it a little more vlog style. So if you're into watching the video portion, then definitely go to YouTube. If not, then you'll just hear the audio and we'll kind of talk through what we're doing and I hope you guys enjoy and like this. Let's go get tatted, kind sir. Number 10. Hey, how's it going? This is Sid. You guys. Sid is who I was just telling you about. She is so talented and we are going to do a fun tattoo today. I don't have any tattoos anywhere from like the waist down. And so I told her it's time for a leg tattoo. I think I was here like what, five days ago?
Jesse
Yeah, Literally last week.
Sid Smith
Yeah, I just got two tattoos from her last week and then I said I think we should do a podcast. And you're a very active person. Like, you don't want to sit and chat.
Jesse
No.
Sid Smith
Because it's awkward and weird.
Jesse
Yeah. Yeah. I just get.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
And just can't do it. Yeah.
Sid Smith
So I am forcing her to tattoo me while we talk about her life. And I'm doing a quote from Beyonce from the song Protector about being a mom, and it says, I first saw your face in your father's gaze, and I wanted to get on my thigh. So remember when I sent you a photo of my thigh? My pants were dropped. My ankles. Okay, we're gonna pick out some fonts. You dropped some fonts.
Jesse
Yes.
Sid Smith
And we have a bunch of choose from, so we're gonna go over it. Let's do it.
Jesse
Let's do it.
Sid Smith
I. Oh, pretty.
Jesse
So they're all kind of, like, similar, obviously, but I wanted to get, like, the idea of, like, the kind of you can read it, but you kind of can't.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Because that was based on the inspiration photos you sent me. That was kind of what I got out of it.
Sid Smith
Yeah. How people kind of will ask, what does it say?
Jesse
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Sid Smith
I like.
Jesse
And if you want to see, like, I can eliminate some. If, you know for sure you don't like it, we can, like, you know, make it smaller. Smaller so it's easier right off the bat.
Sid Smith
I think these two are my favorite.
Jesse
Okay.
Sid Smith
But I. I do like that one.
Jesse
Which two? You're saying these two?
Sid Smith
Yeah. I'll tell her what I want, and she'll just open up the eye, like, for my sternum tattoo, which I'll show you guys. I literally just got this, like, last week, and I was like, I kind of want to get a tattoo on my sternum. She goes, what are you thinking? I said something super dainty, like, busts out her iPad, draws it in two seconds. And it was exactly what I wanted. I literally changed nothing about it. See, I just don't have artistic ability, so what she does impresses me so much.
Jesse
Thanks.
Sid Smith
I can't even draw a stick. Here, I'll draw something. And my son's like, what is that, Mom? That's not a cat. I'm like, sorry.
Jesse
Okay. All right. Check these two out. So those are the two that you said.
Sid Smith
I think I like this one the best.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Yeah, I really like that.
Jesse
All right.
Sid Smith
I like the eye on that.
Jesse
Okay. I can change the eye a little bit.
Sid Smith
Can the eye be, like, a little more cursive on that?
Jesse
Of course.
Sid Smith
Okay, let's do that.
Jesse
Okay. And then make sure everything's spelled correctly.
Sid Smith
I first saw your face in your father's gaze. Yep.
Jesse
Poster F. Yep. Okay. Just confirm so that we're you Know, we don't fuck it up.
Sid Smith
Yep.
Jesse
Okay.
Sid Smith
That's honestly good.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Yeah, I would say.
Jesse
Yeah, it would.
Sid Smith
So the Van Cleef is so sexy. Agreeing.
Jesse
I love the green one, so.
Sid Smith
You always have the best fashion, though. You always have sick bags.
Jesse
Really?
Sid Smith
Yeah. Dude, your white. Yeah.
Jesse
That's so nice. I really appreciate it. Well, I got. I feel like you got some good style, so it's nice to hear it from you.
Sid Smith
Did you guys get that? Did you hear that? She hear what she said? I got Scott the green goyard because he wanted that for his laptop bag so bad.
Jesse
Oh, this one?
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Yeah, I love it.
Sid Smith
Well, I said, well, I wouldn't be here without you, so.
Jesse
Oh, my God, that's so awesome. What a great gift. Check that out. Let me know what you think of that.
Sid Smith
Sick. Yeah, I love it. All right, you ready? I'm ready. Are you ready?
Jesse
I'm ready.
Sid Smith
Do you have anyone else today?
Jesse
No.
Sid Smith
Oh, the whole day for me? Wow. I feel so special.
Jesse
I was off today.
Sid Smith
Oh, my God. I feel bad now.
Jesse
No.
Sid Smith
You didn't have this in your off day?
Jesse
No, that's the only time I have. When else am I gonna do it? Yeah, that's what I already did this morning. Don't worry, girl. Period. I'll be doing that the second I get home after this, too. Dude, I can't believe we've lived this close to one another and we haven't smoked a joint together.
Sid Smith
When I tell you. I say this all the time. We change my life, man. I mean.
Jesse
Yeah, me too. Me too.
Sid Smith
You don't drink and stuff? Yeah. I wouldn't be able to survive without it.
Jesse
Me neither. Yeah, I mean, I love it. I. I do it in the morning, and then when I come here, you know, I'm chilling. It's good. It kind of actually helps me focus a little bit more.
Sid Smith
Me, too.
Jesse
Otherwise, I'm like, bouncing all over the wall. So I gotta, you know, gotta chill sometimes. So then when I get home, I just sit there and puff.
Sid Smith
Yep.
Jesse
Okay. Ready? Yeah, let's do it.
Sid Smith
All right. So you're from Jersey?
Jesse
Yes.
Sid Smith
Tell me about your childhood and growing up.
Jesse
Oh, my parents are divorced. I grew up in Jersey. I was a normal child, I guess. Went to school, did all the good stuff. And then when I got out of school and high school, I mean, I started tattooing. And ever since then, it's been my whole life, so.
Sid Smith
So right out of high school?
Jesse
Yeah, well, during high school, I was. I started working in the tattoo studio when I was 17. Actually, so. But it was, like, only a few months before I turned 18, so then I legally started tattooing when I was 18. I didn't tattoo on skin prior to that.
Sid Smith
I didn't know that you tattooed so young.
Jesse
Yeah, yeah.
Sid Smith
Did you do your training at that tattoo studio?
Jesse
Yes and no. Because the person. I won't be specific. Um, he sucked at tattooing, so I didn't really learn anything necessarily. But also, he was really busy at the time, and so he wasn't really, like, teaching. You know, I was just kind of working there. I was like, the bitch boy for a little while. I mean, that's what usually it's like for apprentices. You're just kind of, like, doing all the bitch work for everybody.
Sid Smith
Yeah. And I feel like the style of tattooing you do is obviously super trendy, but it's.
Jesse
I wasn't doing that, though.
Sid Smith
I was gonna say. What did you start with?
Jesse
Um, I started with, like, smaller tattoos, but I didn't use a needle. I mean, I didn't even have access to a needle this small when I first started. I don't even know if they had them out really. So, yeah, I was using, like, it's called a five round liner, which is like, this is a three right now. And it's just two more, I guess, two more needles than that. So it's a way thicker than what this is. And, like, there's also different groupings. Like, there's a lot of stuff that goes into it. But anyway, I was using, like, a basic fiber five round liner, which is thick. You would never be able to accomplish this without it being bled together. So that's what I started with. But, like, relatively small tattoos because I liked to draw. So I guess that kind of goes into my childhood. I was really big with drawing. My mom's really good at drawing. My sister's really good at drawing. My cousin.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Yeah. Everybody's pretty, like, creative, artistic, just, you know, all over the place. So it's. That's kind of how I fell into it. But really, I went to school, like, in high school. Whenever I say school, I mean high.
Sid Smith
School, because I didn't go to college.
Jesse
Yeah, I was in trade school, so I did cosmetology.
Sid Smith
Really?
Jesse
Yeah, for two years, junior and senior year of high school. And I did a half day at that school and then half day at my home school, and I sucked at it. It was so bad. And also, all the girls were, like, awful.
Sid Smith
I was gonna say. I feel like those are usually, like, the. Not all of them. But it can be very catty. And I've. I talked to, like, my hairdresser about that, about how hard it is to work in a salon just because the drama. And you're not that kind of bitch.
Jesse
No, I mean, I used to be that. I will.
Sid Smith
Y'all. The stories you told me, what did you think you were going to do with cosmetology? Like, hair?
Jesse
Yeah. Well, I was in high school, and I knew. I hated high school so much, I literally sucked at, like, the most basic class. English, history, like, those are my worst. I was good at math and science, which is so strange. But anyway, so I just came home one day, and I just kind of was like, what should I do? Like, I don't really know where to go. I don't have any direction, really. And so my stepmom and my dad were like, you should try tattooing. It's, like, been brought up by other people before, but not, like, a serious manner. So, you know, like, my cousin would be like. Or my step cousin on my stepmom's side would be like, oh, draw me a tattoo. Or somebody at school would say, oh, draw me a tattoo, or whatever. And I just kind of. I guess, fell into it. Just kept, like, happening. And so they were like, you should try it.
Sid Smith
And I was like, all right, that's cool.
Jesse
So I made a portfolio, and I literally walked around and went to different tattoo studios, like, in my. Not in my hometown, but, like, around my hometown. And I went to three. My third one, I went to. I got the apprenticeship.
Sid Smith
Wow. Yeah. Wait, how old are you again?
Jesse
I'm 27. I'll be 28.
Sid Smith
So that's. That's about 10 years.
Jesse
Yeah, it's gonna be 10 years in June.
Sid Smith
Damn.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
So it's really all you've ever done?
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
That's really cool, though, because you knew from the beginning, kind of.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Which is great. I mean, like I said, I kind of did art already, so it just fell into my lap kind of. It was pretty interesting.
Sid Smith
And how long were you tattooing in Jersey before you started expanding? Is this the only other place you've lived is Arizona?
Jesse
No, Pennsylvania as well. But we were only in Pennsylvania for a short amount of time, Jesse and I, so we came out here about nine months after we moved over there and opened a studio there. But we just. We didn't like it there. Yeah, it just wasn't home for us, so.
Sid Smith
Well, and you obviously started so young, but when. When were you like, this is taking off for me. This is something that could be really big. Was it because your social media attracted a lot of attention and so you're building clientele?
Jesse
That definitely pushed me to, like, reach, like, countrywide, I guess you could say. But before that, like, in my town, like, where I was tattooing, I. Eventually I left the first shop I went to, went to another shop for, like a week. I did a really shitty tattoo. I got fired. And then. And then I got another job, actually as a manager first at this tattoo studio. And this guy had a studio and, like, an attic, and I was like, whatever. I just want to be in a studio. So, you know, I just, like, I take work really seriously. So no matter what, anybody is, like, kind of assigning me, I'm just going to do it. So I did it. And he, like, started to realize that I was also a tattoo artist, and we started talking about it more. And I was a line work artist and he was a realism artist. So he asked me if I would want to do the small tattoos at his studio. And I said, yeah, why not? And so they. He made me tattoo somebody in front of him just to, like, see my line work and stuff. And he was, like, impressed. So then he gave me the job. And that's really what, like, kick started me, like, growing first, like, in my. I mean, in my community, I guess you could say it was. It was crazy for a bit. And, like, I was young. I was, like, 19 and 20 when that happened. Yeah. So. And he, at the time, that artist, he was tattooing, like, big names like, like Meek Mill, Nick Nash, people like that. So it was, like, better for me, kind of pushed me. And. Yeah. So after that, I was in Jersey. I left that studio after four years. He had gotten rid of everybody because he just wasn't wanting to be a boss anymore. So I opened a studio after that, and I had that studio in New Jersey for about four years. And then I met Jesse while I was there, but I met him. When did we meet? 20. 20? Yeah, December 2020.
Sid Smith
Jesse's here in the background?
Jesse
Yeah, he's in the back.
Sid Smith
Jesse's also a very talented tattoo artist, and I love that you guys share that together.
Jesse
Thank you.
Sid Smith
Because you guys open this place together.
Jesse
Yeah. And the PA one as well.
Sid Smith
Yeah. So they have two studios. One in Pennsylvania, right?
Jesse
Yep.
Sid Smith
Where?
Jesse
In 40 minutes, north of Philly.
Sid Smith
Okay. And then they have this place in North Scottsdale, which is. Obviously, I live over here, so it's super dope. But I remember you messaged me and you're like, hey, if you ever Want to tattoo? I said, are you kidding me? I'm obsessed with your work. I said, name the time and place.
Jesse
Hell, yeah. I love that.
Sid Smith
And that was my lingerie tattoo. Because you told me you're playing around with that.
Jesse
Yeah, yeah.
Sid Smith
At the time.
Jesse
I'm still working on those with. I have a client actually coming in next week for one.
Sid Smith
It's one of my favorite tattoo, and we were talking about it last week when you did. My other one is the dot work on that are some of the smallest, like, dots I've ever seen of a tattoo without any fading. Like, it's just insane what you're able to do and how precise you are at what you do. And we were talking last week, and I was like, do you want to come on the podcast? And you're like, yeah, but I'm not fucking sitting in a chair and talking to you. I said, let's tattoo.
Jesse
Yeah, we got to make it interesting, you know?
Sid Smith
Yeah. Well, also, it's just. It's just fun.
Jesse
Yeah. It's way more comfortable for me, too. This is.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
I sit here and talk to people literally all day long.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
It's like, you know, same thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Sid Smith
How did you and Jesse meet?
Jesse
Instagram.
Sid Smith
What? Yeah, we slid into our dms.
Jesse
Period.
Sid Smith
Or opposite. You slid into his.
Jesse
I don't know. This is a big argument that we have. Really? Okay, I want to talk to the receipts.
Sid Smith
Wait a story.
Jesse
Well, he followed me on Instagram. He did follow me first, and then I clicked it because it said Jesse tattoo. So I was like, let me just click it.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
And I saw. And he did, like. I mean, his work obviously was, like, yeah, amazing. And, like, I've never really seen anybody that does, like, what I was doing.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
That well. So I was like, fuck, I got to follow him.
Sid Smith
So that.
Jesse
And also, he was cute.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
I was like, I'm going to follow him. And then I'm pretty sure I responded to his story with, like, a fire or something or something of the sort.
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah.
Jesse
But it wasn't, like, a full slide. I don't know. Yeah, but then. But then I. I know I did this part because I was like, I want a tattoo like everybody else would do.
Sid Smith
You know what I mean?
Jesse
And I never got that tattoo, but I didn't. I didn't actually want, you know? Well, not that I didn't want it. I did want it, but I just, like, wasn't really serious. It was just kind of my tactic, so I guess it was me.
Sid Smith
Whatever. You know what we want Strong, independent women that make the move first.
Jesse
I liked him. I wanted it when I saw it, you know?
Sid Smith
How long ago was that?
Jesse
December20. 20.
Sid Smith
Damn. Yeah.
Jesse
So four years. Well.
Sid Smith
Right?
Jesse
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is four years.
Sid Smith
I know. I can't believe it's 2025.
Jesse
I know.
Sid Smith
I can't believe it's forgetting March, actually.
Jesse
I know.
Sid Smith
This year is flown by. This is what I feel like people don't understand about you guys is how iconic you are, how many famous people you've tattooed, which is actually insane. Jesse, were you tattooing celebrities before you guys met?
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Some. Some of D list celebrities.
Jesse
No, that's not true. Yeah, I was gonna say, because those guys that you tattooed are not D list. Yeah, they're definitely. Like, people would know. I mean, it might not be someone that we would know for sure.
Sid Smith
They're known.
Jesse
Yeah, they're definitely known in, like, their. Their own community. You know what I mean? So.
Sid Smith
Yeah. Well, also, it's like, when someone like that trusts you to put something on their body forever, like, that's a huge compliment, you know, that speaks a lot to your talent.
Jesse
I think anybody trusting me to do it is nice.
Sid Smith
Yeah. I love that.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Yeah. I. When you were telling me that story about someone that didn't realize it. It's permanent. This is permanent. Think on your skin. There's no going back when. So you guys obviously met, started dating, and then when were you, like, let's do business together?
Jesse
Well, what happened was I. He was living in Delaware for a little while, and at first, I didn't move in with him, but then eventually we ended up moving in together, so I moved to Delaware, but my studio was two hours away from his house.
Sid Smith
Okay.
Jesse
I used to drive, like, two hours one way, and then, you know, two hours back to his house. And then. And then when I got home, he was still at work. I mean, he'd be there for, like, 14 hours or 15 hours tattooing somebody, so I barely saw him. So then I eventually was, like, a raging bitch, and I was just like, we need to move. Like, we need. You know, I need to be closer. Like, this just isn't working. You get to drive 10 minutes. I drive two hours. You know, it's just.
Sid Smith
Yeah, that's hard.
Jesse
So we moved to Pennsylvania. Not for, like, the in. I mean, it kind of was in the middle, but it still was, like, really far from both of our studios. So it took an hour and a half for each of us that way. So then we did that for, like. I don't Know, a month or two. And then we were like this.
Sid Smith
No, dude, that. That takes time off your life.
Jesse
Yeah, exactly.
Sid Smith
There was a time when we lived in San Diego and David would drive 2ish hours each way to work, and it was like he came home, went to bed, woke your mist gone.
Jesse
Exactly. And it's fun.
Sid Smith
Spending that much time in a car, especially in traffic, is just driving from Jersey to Delaware.
Jesse
I don't know if you've ever done that, but it's horrible.
Sid Smith
No, but I've heard from other people that the traffic there is awful.
Jesse
It is, it is. And there's a million cops on the road, and they're just always beaming for you. I mean, it doesn't matter what you're doing.
Sid Smith
So speeding is not an option.
Jesse
Yeah, no, no, definitely not. So not in New Jersey. They got nothing else to do.
Sid Smith
So when did you guys open your other shop in Pennsylvania?
Jesse
March. 2023.
Sid Smith
Right?
Jesse
I don't even know. Honestly, I lose track of. Was it 2023, 2022, honestly.
Sid Smith
So you guys have people that manage it for you?
Jesse
Yeah, no, three, it was. Because then we moved 2023 also. So. No, we don't. We don't really have any, like, management team necessarily, but, like, we have artists there. Yeah, four artists over there. And they. I guess they're like. They manage it themselves because it's just kind of like a joint space for everybody to work in.
Sid Smith
For sure. Yeah, for sure.
Jesse
So, yeah, it's. It. It's great over there. Honestly, like, they're crushing it. We taught all of them ourselves. Like, none of them knew or had tattoo experience prior to us, so they came to us from that, and three of them were my clients.
Sid Smith
Oh, that's super cool. Yeah. Well, it's also nice because obviously, like, you guys are the names and the face of your business, but it makes it much more intimate when people go book and they might not being tattooed. They might not be tattooed by you, but they know that you taught those other people.
Jesse
Yeah, you know, exactly. And that's. I mean, that's how we, like, present it as well. When people do ask, like, oh, I want to go to the studio, but I know you're not there. And I'm like, well, we taught all these girls, like, they're doing pretty much what we're doing. They might not have the same experience level, but, like, they're. They're doing it very well. We would never recommend somebody that wasn't doing it well enough to match our style, you know?
Sid Smith
Well, you also would never put Your name on. On something that you didn't trust. Yeah.
Jesse
And granted, like we saw apprentices, stuff like that, like, we have to. There' still working through some stuff, but that's why they're apprentices, you know, like they're learning. So that's. That's how it goes. You usually do your apprenticeship for like two years and then you're like a. Some people call them senior artists, but they're just artists, you know, instead of apprentice.
Sid Smith
Damn. I know. It's two years. That's crazy.
Jesse
Yeah, well, I think where we're at, it's different for everybody. There's no like real like law about it, you know, like actual thing that like you have to do. It's just every town and every city, every state is different, literally. So.
Sid Smith
Yeah. So for those that don't know you've tattooed some massive people. How were you able to get so many celebrities that wanted to be tattooed by you? Was this something that was like mutual friends? Social media, reach out?
Jesse
One was mutual friends kind of. I mean, I had just met the girl and she just kind of like hooked. Hooked us up. We both tattooed Megan at the same time and.
Sid Smith
And mgk.
Jesse
No, we didn't tattoo mgk.
Sid Smith
Just did Megan.
Jesse
Yeah, we just did Megan. He did a cover up of Brian Austin's name. I did all of her fingers.
Sid Smith
So I remember when that photo. That photo came out of her stomach and I was like, first of all, how the did you have kids? Cuz my stomach doesn't look like that after children. And then it was just such a full circle moment when I met you and you're like, yeah, that's my boyfriend's work. I was like, holy.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Such. It was every tattoo, but it's also like, it's Megan Fox, right?
Jesse
Yeah, it was cool. But that one, like we said it was, that one was like kind of set up a little bit. Like we got refer. She got referred to us from someone that she works with closely.
Sid Smith
So like she has to trust.
Jesse
Exactly. Right, right, right. So that was, I mean, that was really cool though. It was a really cool experience for us. You know, Jesse's like, first drawing that he ever did was of Megan Fox. So it was just like a full song like realism. He had to do like insane school, like a symmetrical.
Sid Smith
Who wouldn't choose her?
Jesse
Yeah, and he did.
Sid Smith
So.
Jesse
Exactly. It was just cool. It was a really cool thing. And then, and then Simone, she reached out to me, which was really cool. And she, she like knew I was here and everything. It was, it was really cool moment.
Sid Smith
But yeah, one of my good friends is Suni Lee. Oh, really obsessed with her. Yeah. We have the same management team and so we've been mutuals for a long time and she's an angel of this earth. I'm obsessed with her.
Jesse
Yeah. I mean that's. Simone was.
Sid Smith
Yeah. Awesome. She was great.
Jesse
They both had really good personalities, but Simone was. She was great. Yeah, it was just a different. Like she did her communication.
Sid Smith
Right.
Jesse
We did. Yeah, we did Made in Heaven on her neck and then I did a J on her finger for her husband.
Sid Smith
Oh, I love that. Well, she did. She come here for it.
Jesse
We actually went to the Footprint center and we tattooed them backstage after their.
Sid Smith
No way.
Jesse
Yeah. Yeah.
Sid Smith
Oh, that's.
Jesse
It was really cool. Yeah, it was awesome.
Sid Smith
See, you gotta vlog that stuff.
Jesse
I know, I know. Don't do that.
Sid Smith
It's so.
Jesse
We're so. You don't have.
Sid Smith
Yeah, you need a Scotty where you follow you around with the camera.
Jesse
See, that's the problem. Like, I'm not going to stand here.
Sid Smith
And be like, no, yeah, you know what I mean?
Jesse
Like, I would if someone was doing it for us. Yeah, no problem. But we just, we just haven't found anybody that we would, you know.
Sid Smith
Well, you have to. You have to find someone that you trust. And that's why when you can base it like a professional relationship from a friendship and trust, it's so different because obviously Scotty is very involved with my personal life, but also my business.
Jesse
Of course. Yeah.
Sid Smith
And like he's under NDAs. So when we meet people that are high up in the industry, like, they know that they're safe around both of us.
Jesse
Right, right.
Sid Smith
Because that's a huge thing. And you know, when you meet people that big, it's like, I want to take videos and photos to. Cause I'm really proud of this moment. But also don't want to make them feel weird because that's like their whole life.
Jesse
Yeah. I mean, I honestly like with Simone in particular, like, I. I don't ever really. Like, there's a lot of tattoo artists, if you go on their page, like they tattooed someone big and like they take a photo with them, they're like, ah, you know.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Like, we just don't do that. So. So, like, I like to be humble. To me, she's just another client. Not that she's, you know, I can't treat her differently because of that reason, but she's, you know, she just has a higher profile. So, like, helps us. It benefits us A little bit more on that end, I guess you can say.
Sid Smith
But.
Jesse
But like, overall, we just like, I try not to be like that with anybody. So I don't even have to worry about an NDA or anything like that. It's just like, I'm open, you're open. Like, we could be cool if you don't want to be. I don't care. You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to talk at all if you don't want to. But yeah, and I'm here to do a job realistically, that's what I got hired. But, you know, it is nice. But like, again, like kind of what you said, it's a professional relationship. Like, I'm not your friend. So. Yeah, yeah, I have to like, realize that at the end of the day when I'm done. So. And I try not to like, I don't know, I guess, I guess you could say humble. But like, I don't know, I just like, don't. I don't want to like, be so showy about it. It's cool, it's great. But like, my stuff is about my work. It's not about, like, who I tattooed or whatever. For me at least, like, because majority of the year I don't tattoo anybody like that. So, like, you know, the rest of the year I'm working with the everyday people. You know what I mean? So it's.
Sid Smith
Well, you also have always been really focused on your work because I know you're not super showy with like your face and personal life. You focus more on your work. And we talked about that business wise, about how sometimes brands want you to be like that. Yeah, I'm obsessed with this company.
Jesse
Go use.
Sid Smith
Like, that's not you. You've never been like that.
Jesse
No.
Sid Smith
And I really respect that. You've just focused on, you know, your art and your work.
Jesse
Well, I won't lie and say that I didn't used to post photos of me, but it had no relation to my work. And that's where it kind of like, it was like, I should make this more about my work. Especially if I'm going to grow like this, because I started growing from tick tock and then Instagram started going after that and it was just like, you know, I was getting more like messages that weren't for work necessarily. And that's not what I want. Like, this is my business. So like, I turned it into that eventually. But before I wasn't doing that. Like, that was that Instagram that I have was my, like, that's been my Instagram since 2013. Whenever, you know, the first Instagram, like, came out, so.
Sid Smith
With, like, sepia filters.
Jesse
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just. I've had that same one this whole time, and I just have been changing it throughout the years, I guess. But it's. This has been the most beneficial it's ever been, you know, but again, it's for my business.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
So.
Sid Smith
For sure. Well, you. You. Are you the OG of, like, the Clear Swipe?
Jesse
Well, technically not the og. We had actually seen it from Korean artists. They were doing it for, like, a really long time, but I never knew the product that they were using, so I couldn't ever do it myself. But eventually we figured it out. I ended up working with a company that had the product as well. And then now there's, like, other people that make the product too, but.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
So I think that's how I first found.
Jesse
Notice my gel swipes?
Sid Smith
No, I first found you on TikTok Talk when you did a, like, day in the life of a tattoo artist and you were driving some sick car because you guys have a bunch of sick cars. And I remember seeing a mountain in the background. I was like, holy, that's in Arizona. And then I clicked on your profile and I saw a bunch of videos that I had recognized on my for you page, but I had never followed you. And I was like, oh, my God, that's the same artist. She's in Arizona. What? So I followed you and then you had messaged me and I said, I'm gonna my pants. I felt really cool. I hope you realize that.
Jesse
Well, you are really cool, so.
Sid Smith
I'm not. It's okay. Okay, so I'm dying to know this is Megan Fox. Like that really soft spoken, chill vibes.
Jesse
Yeah, for sure.
Sid Smith
Is it? Someone told me that she's the smallest person they've ever met.
Jesse
Yeah, she's.
Sid Smith
Is that true?
Jesse
No, Simone is. But she's very small.
Sid Smith
Yeah, Simone is really.
Jesse
She's definitely small. I think a lot of people, you know, it's. Everyone does something different for, like, social media. You know what I mean?
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
So she was definitely petite. I will say so.
Sid Smith
I feel like she was. People in the industry are so tiny, but you don't realize it because you never meet.
Jesse
You know, they make them look real long.
Sid Smith
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone thinks I'm really short, but it's because they see me next to David.
Jesse
Right. And he's really five.
Sid Smith
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Sid Smith
So what's your five year plan?
Jesse
Wow, good question.
Sid Smith
Are you guys gonna have a bunch of babies so I can have them? No.
Jesse
No. I don't know.
Sid Smith
They said no.
Jesse
Yeah. I don't know. Based on our current life and situation and what we do every day, we could never have, like, we couldn't have.
Sid Smith
Kids right now so much because people don't get that.
Jesse
Exactly. Like, I just couldn't give my all to a child right now. I have to give my all to this.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
So, like, I have to, you know, I have to pick one or the other, really. And so. Yeah. So for now, and not that I'm opposed to it, but we'll see. You know, I'm just not. I'm not trying for it and I'm not, not trying. You know, I love that. Yeah. So if it's in the carbs, you.
Sid Smith
Know, do you think you'll kind of do what you've already done in Pennsylvania, which is kind of. You'll grow your business and hire people and then maybe take a step back from tattooing.
Jesse
Yeah, maybe. It depends. I guess. Like, you know, that took me. That took each of us. I mean, he's been tattooing 10 years too, so.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
You know, almost.
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah.
Jesse
Seven years of our career. So we're have to be here for a bit, kind of build that up. We do have another artist in this studio already.
Sid Smith
Okay.
Jesse
So that's like one. But it's a really small space, so for now, we don't want to grow too big. But our goal really is to have like a. You know, we want one of those, like, industrial spaces, the flat spaces that have like the studio in the front and then a garage in the back with all our cars and. Yeah, yeah. So that's like the plan. Plan. But for we. We were looking prior to getting this place, but it just. It just wasn't time for us. Yeah, we're still like, too new.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
So, like, to the area at least. But yeah, I guess that's really our plan. Like, we, you know, everybody wants to be the business owner and go on vacation and while everybody else is doing it, but it's just not really the kind of industry that it works for necessarily. Like, you have to be hands on. And a lot of the businesses, I mean, the business is built off of us doing tattoos.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
You know, it kind of requires us doing them still sometimes, but it would be nice to not do it every single day, you know, at some point.
Sid Smith
Yeah, I was gonna say be able.
Jesse
To be like, you know, it's getting taken care of. And not only from tattooing. We have other businesses, obviously, that we run. So.
Sid Smith
Yeah, I was gonna say, you guys obviously have built such a successful business because of your talents and your art, and so you can't leave too early or else, you know. But I think of it more as a physical standpoint because working like, for instance, bedside nursing during the pandemic, especially when I was pregnant, I feel like it took 10 years off my back and knees. And you're always hunched over like this every time you're tattooing. And so I can only imagine the back pain that comes with that. And it's a different type of physical work, you know.
Jesse
Okay, well, I will say one thing for me in particular. I sometimes, depending on what I'm tattooing and how long I'm sitting here, I don't usually get that because I'm doing smaller tattoos that take less time. But him, he would be there for like 15 hours at a time. So, like, he would come Home. And sometimes his hands was like. Like white because from holding this all day. You know what I mean? So that. For sure. But for me in particular, I honestly don't feel a lot of that. Sometimes maybe my neck, but it really just depends on what I'm doing. Like, this is probably the worst because of where you are right now. But overall, like, I'm usually doing a hand or, you know, an arm or. You don't really have to.
Sid Smith
I feel like much for that. This one on my hand.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Which I got during the time that I was, you know, being canceled and all that stuff was going on. It was not a good mental health space for me. And so I. It was a good reminder.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
And I also. It's just nice to be in a comfortable space with you, because I was not.
Jesse
Yeah, yeah.
Sid Smith
I'm like, hi, I'm depressed. Can you tattoo this on my hand?
Jesse
Exactly. I mean, that's how a lot of people look at it.
Sid Smith
She goes, do you want us to face outward or you. I said, I'm gonna be the one that needs to read that.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
No rain, no flowers. Yeah. David, his whole. Is it left arm? Which. Which. No, it's his right arm that's sleeved. And he. His artist would do, like, 10 hour sessions.
Jesse
Yeah. Yeah.
Sid Smith
But he also was. He's one of those people that tattoo. Getting a tattoo is not his favorite thing in the world. He's a bit of a baby. Love him so much, but it's like a man cold.
Jesse
That's me.
Sid Smith
And so he wants the longest appointment possible because he's like, I just want to get it done. But I'm. I finally convinced him to do his other sleeve. I said, you need to get another sleeve.
Jesse
So just bare on that one? That one side?
Sid Smith
Yeah, he's bare on one side, and he wants to do his other sleeve, but he doesn't know what he wants to do, if he wants, who he wants to go to.
Jesse
So, yeah, I mean, that's. You know, he'd have to do some research, see what he kind of, like, is looking for first. But I told him that's totally different. He probably has, like, realism right on his.
Sid Smith
It's all black and white. It's not really realism. He has a giant line because he's a Leo. And then he was obviously a police officer for 12 years. And then he has a big quote in a shield. It's like how he protect his. Protects his brothers in law enforcement.
Jesse
Got it.
Sid Smith
And then he has a bunch of clocks, and each clock is the. The Time. But it's the kid's birthday.
Jesse
Oh, cute.
Sid Smith
So each. Each kid has a clock, and then there's some other filler. But on his left arm, I told him what I think he should do is a naval theme, because were obviously both from California. He grew up surfing, and his grandfather careered out in the Navy. And so I told him he should do his grandfather's, like, Navy photo, like, portrait on his arm with, like, a ship.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
At the ocean. Like, I think that would be.
Jesse
So there's plenty of people in California that could easily do that.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Which is good. But. Yeah. I mean, even when you. I mean, if you're gonna do somebody's face, though, like, you got to be.
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah, you better look. Yeah. You don't want me drawing.
Jesse
Oh, I've seen it. I'm telling you. The guy that I started with, my very first bo.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
He did portraits, and he should not have done portraits, and it was really bad. There's plenty of people that do that.
Sid Smith
Jesse. What do you take clients right now you do.
Jesse
Okay, if you want to do realism.
Sid Smith
Like, I'll show him your page because.
Jesse
More of, like, a micro realism. Yeah, yeah, he does the realism. Just smaller scale.
Sid Smith
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll show him your page.
Jesse
But he also does this. He's the one that literally taught me how to, like, perfect this. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Jesse's been working with, like. Yeah, he was. He started in Miami. He was doing, like, single needle from the jump. Like, I started single needle six years ago maybe, but, like, he was doing it 10 years ago.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
So he's been doing it, and he taught me how to, like, really use it. I was using thin needles before I met him, but not this thin. Never this thin.
Sid Smith
Yeah, I forgot you guys are familiar with Miami, because we're going in a couple weeks, and I'm actually so scared for that.
Jesse
Oh, I'm so excited for you.
Sid Smith
I'm like, I love it. I need to pace it slow because Miami unwell. Spring break is. Yeah. It's gonna be dressed up.
Jesse
It's gonna be crazy. For sure.
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Yup. They got them on deck over there. Just call them right up to your hotel room.
Sid Smith
I also am just, like, not the biggest drinker anymore as I've gotten older. And also since I discovered marijuana, I just. What's the point, you know? You feel like.
Jesse
Exactly. That's why I stopped drinking, because I literally puked all night on Valentine's Day last year. Oh, no. And I was like, I'm done. Bought a nice expensive meal and threw it all up. See, what's the point?
Sid Smith
Yeah, what's the point if you're gonna puke it all up?
Jesse
Yeah. And I'd rather have the food anyway. I would rather get the food.
Sid Smith
100 plus. It tastes so much better after an edible anyways. Yeah.
Jesse
Hell yeah.
Sid Smith
Red wine is not gonna make me feel the same as an edible.
Jesse
Yeah, that's what I drank. That's literally what put me over. I don't even drink red wine. And I was like. Like, we're just gonna down a whole bottle. I did it and I puked literally all night. Dude.
Sid Smith
Do you know what's crazy too, is nothing gives me a headache the next day. Like a glass of red wine.
Jesse
Yeah. Yeah.
Sid Smith
And I'm like, is this what it means to be 30? Because I'm turning 30 in April. And I'm like, I think ages. April 19th.
Jesse
Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, you're an Aries.
Sid Smith
Yeah, I'm an Aries.
Jesse
Yes. That makes sense.
Sid Smith
Yeah. You know, I think we're going to Disneyland.
Jesse
Fun. Everyone's gonna be like, who's that? Oh, my God.
Sid Smith
Oh, God. See that? That's my worst nightmare. Through my anxiety, especially on an edible. I'd be like, oh, my God, it's not me. I know. I. I don't want to be like, I get that all the time, but it's not me.
Jesse
That is so funny.
Sid Smith
No, I'm definitely. We're talking about D list celebrities. I'm definitely like an F list, like, influencer. Yeah.
Jesse
If you're F, then I'm below that. So, you know.
Sid Smith
No, you actually have talents. I just make videos.
Jesse
It's still a talent, you know, you still gotta get up every single day and do something like that. I think about that all the time. Like. Like, I couldn't sit there and talk to the camera all the time, like, ever. I just. I can barely do it. You do it all day, every single day with different products, different people, different things. And, like.
Sid Smith
That's nice of you. The only thing I really have for myself, though, is my nursing education. Yeah. So I can still say I'm a nurse.
Jesse
And that's how you started, though, I thought. Right.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
With a lot of your content.
Sid Smith
Nurse influencing. That wasn't a big thing back then. And I. I graduated nursing school in 2017. And so the, like, medical influencers, there was only a couple of them and they kind of just like took photos and scrubs and were.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
Micro creators. But they all. A lot of them were just talking about the negative side of nursing. And I was like, did I make the right decision by going to school and choosing this? And then I. In nursing school, I was like, I want to talk about the positives and how you can make your scrubs look cute and how you can study. And then I signed with Cherokee Uniforms, which was the biggest scrub brand in the world at the. At that time. And I think I signed with them in total. I worked with them for like six years.
Jesse
Wow. I did not know any of that.
Sid Smith
Yeah, dude. So I.
Jesse
That's awesome.
Sid Smith
We're broke. As. And when I first started working as a nurse as a new grad, I was full time night shift and I had a newborn and I was contracted with Cherokee Scrubs and I had to post a 3 photos a week in scrubs and I only made 500 bucks a month. And I was like, oh, I'm rich. 500 bucks a month is a lot for us.
Jesse
I was getting paid like that too. When I was during COVID for I did. There was this brand of makeup actually, and it was just like, oh, makeup that would like mimic your tone or whatever. So you just put it on.
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jesse
It was so cool.
Sid Smith
But I was like, all right.
Jesse
I was during COVID I was doing nothing. I was just blowing money Amazon every day.
Sid Smith
Yeah. I also feel like so ridiculous when you get to a certain level and you, you people realize you make money, they don't think about like where you started. Because when I was making 500amonth, that was our groceries. Like that was a big deal for us. Yeah. And then, you know, obviously that was.
Jesse
I mean, you have a family, so it's different for me. I don't have a family like that, so it's like I only had to really focus on me with that kind of money. But you had to take that and distribute and make sure everybody's taken care of one. Yeah.
Sid Smith
You know, starting that, that was like eight years ago. And I didn't, you know, for like probably six years on social media, I basically worked for free or exchange of product or a couple hundred bucks here and there. It wasn't like I started tick tock and was like, oh, yeah, I'm making, I'm making 30 grand for a video. It wasn't like that at all.
Jesse
Right. So I don't think anybody was really doing that at first either though, because no one really knew the potential of tick tock.
Sid Smith
Totally. Yeah.
Jesse
I remember it when it first like popped off, dude.
Sid Smith
And it was during the first surge of the pandemic yeah, Yeah, I was.
Jesse
Posting videos all the time, but it had nothing to do with my tattoos. Yeah, I wasn't even tattooing, so. Because of the pandemic.
Sid Smith
So, yeah, and mine was all nursing. All nursing. And then as soon as I blew up, my hospital was like, we don't like that. You're getting big.
Jesse
What?
Sid Smith
Oh, it was a whole fucking thing.
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Jesse
Was your career already like a wall? Sorry, what is it called? TikTok. Like, was that already, like, big for you?
Sid Smith
I think I had, I don't know, maybe half a million followers or so on Tick Tock. But then I really wanted to do aesthetic nursing. And that really interests me. And what happened was during the pandemic, I would say like 80% of our nurses, like our really good, experienced nurses left the unit because they were being treated so poorly for Covid. Like, we weren't getting Covid bonuses that we were supposed to get. They made us take care of adults when we were a pediatric unit. It was insane. So I was like, everyone's leaving. It was extremely unsafe. Like, patient ratios.
Jesse
Right, right, right.
Sid Smith
And then I started dabbling in aesthetic nursing. So I was working two Shifts in the ICU and then one to two shifts a week as well in injections. And that was when Stevie was only, like, four months old. And then I started building up my clientele for filler and Botox.
Jesse
Wow. So you were, like, fully immersed in that?
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah.
Jesse
Wow.
Sid Smith
So then I left, and then for another, like, 10 months, I did aesthetic nursing. But in that time, like, February of 2023, I gained a million followers in one week on Tick Tock.
Jesse
Holy. Doing what, though? Like, what was the post that got you that?
Sid Smith
Well, first I started doing Stevie blogs that those don't exist on the Internet anymore, but I did that. And then I did a lot of, like, nurse injection stuff. And people love that because a lot of nurses are interested in that.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
And then I signed with my management team in May, and I still was working full time as a nurse. I had like 1.5 million followers on TikTok and I don't even know how many on Instagram. And I had my team for like a solid six months. So I was doing full time, like, ads, social media, all that working as a nurse. And my team was like, we love you so much, but you need to.
Jesse
Pick one or the other.
Sid Smith
Like, pick one because you're gonna kill yourself.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Keep doing this.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
And the owner of the meds by work dies. The most supportive human ever. I still go to her for all my stuff, and she's so sweet, and she was like, you always have a place here if you ever want to come back. But, like, no one can take away your license. You always have that.
Jesse
Right?
Sid Smith
And so I said, okay, let me try to focus on it full time.
Jesse
And here you are. Here I am. Yeah. That's awesome. I mean, that's what we. We literally, like, instill that in people that whenever we hire somebody, we're like, listen, if you're gonna do this, like, job.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
You better be ready to work. Oh, yeah, you're not gonna make any money.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
So. And that was same kind of concept.
Sid Smith
Yeah. I was so naive to it. I was like, yeah, so was I.
Jesse
When I started too. Yeah.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
You don't realize, then all of a sudden people are hitting you up and you're like, wait, what?
Sid Smith
Right?
Jesse
You can do that? I can make that. You know? Yeah. It's social media. I mean, definitely changed my entire career as well.
Sid Smith
But.
Jesse
But like I said, we. It's still. Because I do this all the time. Like, I push every single day, I post every day. You know, I do all of my posting and everything. I Don't have anybody that helps me. And it's a lot, but look where I'm at. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it's just like, everybody's like, oh, how did you do it? How did you get there? I can never, like, yeah, you can. You just gotta do it. You gotta actually do it.
Sid Smith
Yeah, it's the dedication.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Scott and I talk about this in the car on the way over is. I feel like everyone I meet in this industry is like, wait, you don't have an assistant? You don't have someone that posts for you? You don't have an editor? I'm like, no, I do it 100% on my own. My only employee is Scott for the podcast.
Jesse
Yeah. Yeah, but that's. I mean, you're even lucky you found someone as good, because that's what we struggle with, is just like, we haven't found anybody that is, like, on the level that we're at. Like, we know that we're going to take care of our business the best way possible because it's ours. So we want to hire someone that's also going to feel that way. Why would we hire anybody else? Yeah, if you're not going to have our business's best interest and we're paying you, like, why are we hiring?
Sid Smith
For sure.
Jesse
Yeah. It's just pointless. And, you know, I try to keep it real. Like, kind of what you were saying before is that I just, like, I don't really stray from what I do every single day. So it's like, I don't want somebody getting on there and making me look like an idiot, because that's what they would choose over what I do. Like, clearly mine works. So I just need someone to hop on and do exactly what I do, basically.
Sid Smith
Well.
Jesse
And.
Sid Smith
And I feel like in this industry, you have to be perfectionist, and it's hard to let go of control, and I'm even guilty of that.
Jesse
Yeah, that's my problem for sure.
Sid Smith
But you know what works and what doesn't.
Jesse
Exactly. So, yeah, I mean, again, like, I guess if it scales to a different level, like, our whole business and everything, it might be a different story. I'm gonna need someone at some point. We're gonna need someone at some point. So. But for now, you know, it's still, like, manageable for us and, like, otherwise, like, what else am I doing? I go home, I smoke a joint, sit on my couch, you know, and like, I. Or I'm here. So we eat, you know, like, literally there's nothing else going on or I'm like, you know, outside, hiking, whatever. Something that just, like, fills my time. But I'd rather do work, honestly. That's just. Me personally. I just enjoy working.
Sid Smith
What's your favorite kind of joints?
Jesse
I like Birdies. Right now, they're. Have you ever had them? No. They're like. Literally, they look like a pack of cigarettes.
Sid Smith
Okay.
Jesse
And they're in, like, a cake, like a. I don't know what you would consider it like a. The paper looks like a cigarette with the filter and everything and. Yeah, yeah, they sell them right here.
Sid Smith
Dr. Green thumbs.
Jesse
No.
Sid Smith
Oh, that's my number one.
Jesse
Oh, really?
Sid Smith
David goes to. They only sell them at the flower shop.
Jesse
Yeah, okay.
Sid Smith
Higley and Broadway. No, dude, we. They, like, max you out at 28 joints, but we'll buy 28 at a time. They're the smoothest joints I've ever.
Jesse
Okay.
Sid Smith
You have to get honey banana.
Jesse
Okay.
Sid Smith
I'm gonna try that honey banana. I should have brought you one. Damn, dude, they're so good.
Jesse
I like the birdies, though, just because, like, the way that it smokes. And there's another brand. It's actually from California. It's called Pure Beauty. Those were the OG like, cigarette ones. And I've never smoked a cigarette ever in my life, but apparently that's how a cigarette smokes. Like, how it burns and everything. You can order them and they'll deliver it to your house, like on Pure Beauty. They're sick. Those ones are sick.
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah.
Jesse
And they're. Oh, that's Birdies. They won't deliver to you, but Pure Beauty will deliver from California here. Because I already ordered it once. And they. Those are the OG that I smoked, like, the cigarette kind of ones. And again, there's no, like, tobacco or anything. It's straight up marijuana.
Sid Smith
Well, it's probably a nice, like, little placebo effect.
Jesse
It is.
Sid Smith
Scott has a nicotine problem.
Jesse
Yeah. It kind of like, reminds you, I guess, as if you are smoking a cigarette, dude. And their website is so dope. Like, their branding and everything. I love it. Yeah.
Sid Smith
Oh, sick.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Wait, that's cool. I know. He's like.
Jesse
He was like.
Sid Smith
Actually, I'm need you to buy that for us.
Jesse
What's your birthday?
Sid Smith
Yeah, Shoot.
Jesse
Both are airways eight days apart. Wow.
Sid Smith
So we're gonna celebrate our birthdays together.
Jesse
Like, literally same year and everything.
Sid Smith
No. Oh, my God. He's born in 2000. Are you kidding me? He's a baby. I know.
Jesse
What the hell?
Sid Smith
He makes jokes to me all the time. And I said, I Made a tick tock today of a Soulja Boy song. And I said, this is my jam in high school. And Scott goes, ye, I was in kindergarten. I said, you can go yourself. That was so funny, guys. You know What? I'm turning 30 and I'm feeling like my life's just starting.
Jesse
Okay.
Sid Smith
My twenties were hard as.
Jesse
That's what I mean. I felt for real. 26 hit me the hardest for sure. But. But 30, I heard is, you know, it's a different life, it's a different time.
Sid Smith
So I was really.
Jesse
You're a little smarter when you're 30.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
You know, you have more life experience. So I can't imagine it gets worse after that.
Sid Smith
You also just really like stop giving a what people think about you.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
Because you're more confident in yourself and who are you, who you are as a person.
Jesse
Yeah. And like realistically, when you're 30, at that point, like no one else even matters. Like you're so far past like the, you know, when you were in high school and you're like me or whatever, you're the outcast and people are. I literally could give a. About any of those people anymore.
Sid Smith
You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I.
Jesse
Now it just doesn't matter. I'm here to work.
Sid Smith
Yeah. I was talking to someone and I said it's 20s is so interesting as a woman, especially because. Especially when it comes to what. What women are usually doing in their 20s. So in the span of 20s, I got married, graduated college, started my first career, had two children.
Jesse
Right. Yeah.
Sid Smith
Breastfed those kids, had a couple career changes.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
I mean, it's insane how much you experience in your twenties as a woman and then like coming into yourself as an adult. Adult. It's so. It's just a lot in only 10 years of your life.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
So when you hit 30, you feel a little bit more established and like know what you want to do with your future and confident and you know, which I feel like you're already like that, but you're like.
Jesse
Yeah, but it took me.
Sid Smith
You're like a 45 year old me. Yeah.
Jesse
Really well.
Sid Smith
And I mean that in like the best way. Like you're just very confident.
Jesse
It took a lot of therapy.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
And a lot of time. And I wasn't conf. I mean before I wasn't confident probably even two years ago, you know, so it's really been like mainly these past two years. I wouldn't say that I was like oblivious to everything, but I was like really involved in just like being Cool. More so than like focusing on, like making myself better, you know. So when I got, when I started doing therapy and started, you know, my frontal lobes started developing a little bit more, you know, I started realizing like, what really is more important. And it wasn't like, you know, being hot and being cool.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
And being whatever, you know, it's just like I have to live this life and like it, try and enjoy it the best way I can. So that's all I care about at this point. I love that. So that's kind of where I'm at now. But yeah, it definitely took some time for me to figure that out first, though. But I appreciate you saying that because I've literally put in so much work, like this is probably the first time in my life, like, like in the past year and a half to two years that I'm like, healthy mentally. Yeah.
Sid Smith
So it's a big shift. You feel it. Yeah.
Jesse
And I mean, it's up at first too because like you, everything that you did and everything that happened to you prior just all hits you then too.
Sid Smith
You'Re just like, oh yeah.
Jesse
Like if I was just a little smarter and just like thought about it a little bit more, I probably would have never done any of those things. And you know, but you're a kid, you don't really think about it that way. So yeah, now that I'm 45 and smarter, you know, it's. Things are easier when I make decisions, when I react to things, everything is just so much easier for me. So that's why I think also like 30s will be like prime.
Sid Smith
Oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jesse
Make a lot of mistakes in your twenties along with all the things that happen a lot.
Sid Smith
And also I feel like when you're in that stage of life, you care so much about what others think.
Jesse
Exactly.
Sid Smith
Like I care so much about views and money and, and popularity and likes. And now I just like, I don't care and I just want to post things that make me happy and things that I believe in and.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
Things that I genuinely like to be a consumer of and watch.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
Rather than doing what everyone else is doing because you know it's going to do well.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
It's just not worth it. And also like protecting my peace and work life balance. I was so obsessed with trying to climb to the top that I, I was so obsessed, it consumed me and.
Jesse
It literally affects your, like, your brain.
Sid Smith
Oh my God.
Jesse
I, I mean, I've had this, I still kind of deal with this a little bit. I'm still trying to, like, you know, work through it when it happens, but when views are low, I mean, like, you literally, when you're used to getting it.
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah.
Jesse
Differently, like, it. It literally affects you and nobody realizes that until it. You do it every day because you're putting in all this work and then you post something and you're like, it's gonna slap. You know what I mean? And then it's just. It just tanks and you're just like. You're just like, you're mad, you know.
Sid Smith
Especially when you put so much work into it.
Jesse
Exactly.
Sid Smith
Like a failure. But.
Jesse
Exactly.
Sid Smith
It's not all about that.
Jesse
Right, Right.
Sid Smith
It's also. It's the same I say, with when people make videos trying to bring other people down by, like, bullying them or knowing that they're gonna jump in the comments to talk about them, but you know that they won't be successful or brands won't want to work with them if that's their goal.
Jesse
Exactly.
Sid Smith
Brands want to see the auth. Your followers want to see the authenticity and.
Jesse
Right. Also, you're just doing your job.
Sid Smith
Yeah. And what's the point of making content if you don't thoroughly enjoy it? Like, you don't want to resent it and then not want to do it.
Jesse
Right.
Sid Smith
Right.
Jesse
So that goes for any job, literally.
Sid Smith
Oh, for sure.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
So I recently took a step back and I'm like, I think I'm. I think I'll survive posting only one tick tock a day instead of three.
Jesse
To five days to post a lot. I used to see you all, dude. But yeah, I mean, but that's how a lot of people grow, you know?
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
I don't. Meredith Duxbury used to do that. Right? Yeah, it's like a ton.
Sid Smith
Yep.
Jesse
And, you know, I tried to do that for a little while too, but it just, like, wasn't making me happy. And like, some had X amount of views and some had really low views, and I was just like, what is even the point? Like, I'm not even happy about this right now.
Sid Smith
And you also work like, you also have an actual business. Yeah, actually tattooing.
Jesse
Right, Right.
Sid Smith
And that's how I felt as a nurse when I first signed with my management. And I was like, okay, so I have have 10 clients of Botox and filler. I have to make my three videos today. I have an ad do.
Jesse
Yep.
Sid Smith
And I was like, I'm working longer hours than I did in the hospital. Like, I should be able to prioritize a little bit better with work. Life balance. So this year was the turning point where I said, I'm just gonna take a step back and focus more on my family, but also growing the quality of my business, not the quantity exactly. Of it.
Jesse
Yep.
Sid Smith
Which is huge.
Jesse
He taught me a lot of that too, because that, like I said, I used to post more of me. It was like on the beach and, you know, just. I was doing for fun because I was a kid. But. But when I, like when we finally sat down, we had conversations about it, it was just like whenever I posted my tattoos, like, it got more clients, you know, when I posted me, it wasn't getting me clients, you know, because.
Sid Smith
They'Re not hiring you because of who you are.
Jesse
Exactly. I mean, and if they are, it wasn't ever like a. Like for a good reason.
Sid Smith
You know what I mean?
Jesse
So that's why I didn't want. Want that. I don't want to be that person. There's plenty of people who do that, tattoo wise. And that's just. That's not who I am. And, you know, and plus, I'm. I'm spoken for, so.
Sid Smith
Yeah, exactly.
Jesse
So it's like, you know, I don't really need that kind of attention in order to get clients. Like, I should just be good at what I do to get clients. Because if you have to post you and do all this junk to make you get a client, like, why even tattoo. I don't. You know, it's just. Yeah. Yeah. So like I said, kind of going into what I was saying before, it was a lot that I had to learn and, you know, figure out, but it's much better now. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I definitely did. Took a bit, but it's. It's working out so far and I'm much happier mentally and. And also through that process, you know, it eliminated a lot of people in my life that were kind of holding me back to where I was there. And, you know, now it's just so much different. Like, I'm more. More about not trying to say I'm selfish, but, like, I'm more focused on my life because everybody's living life for the first time, you know, so, like, I got to do it just as much as you have to do it on the other person, you know?
Sid Smith
Absolutely.
Jesse
So I gotta be happy too. I can't just be here to make everybody else happy.
Sid Smith
Yeah, you have to enjoy life. Right?
Jesse
So that's. Like I said, it's just all lessons that I've been learning and I literally would have never listened to this before. Like, if somebody sat me down, which he literally has before, and. And told me these things, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, you know, like, I don't want to hear this because I'm just like, too into myself, you know?
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
And then eventually everything hit me at once and I was like, like, something's gotta change because I'm not happy.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
I'm like, more upset. Even though you. It might seem on social media that I'm happy, but I was like, more sad during those times.
Sid Smith
Oh, yeah, I know. Last. I would say last year was probably one of the worst years of my life, but it was also my most successful year, business wise.
Jesse
Right, right.
Sid Smith
And then you kind of ask yourself, like, what's it worth?
Jesse
Right, right.
Sid Smith
What. What am I sacrificing my entire mental health and. And the quality of human I am to my children, to my husband, to the people around me? What, for a paycheck? Yeah. It's not worth it. Yeah.
Jesse
But unfortunately, that paycheck is the only way you get to live. And. Yeah, that's the shitty part. Especially if you're like, you like nicer things in life, like, what are you gonna do? You can't.
Sid Smith
So true.
Jesse
It's hard. It's hard for when. I mean, this is something I had to learn too. And, you know, I made great money and I blew a lot of it because it was like the first time in my life I've ever made that kind of money. It's not like my family is super wealthy or anything like that. I won't say I was broke or. Well, like, I was. We were happy, you know, we were comfortable. But when I started making it for myself, I mean, I was 23, 24. You know, I'm just blowing money for no reason. Like, it was fun, you know, and that's where we really met too, was during those times. So I started getting bougie, if you want to say it.
Sid Smith
But.
Jesse
So when you're at that level, it's hard to like, downsize after that. You know, it's like you're used to living like this. So, like, you're either gonna do something that pushes you to make more and go further, or you're gonna eventually have to downsize back for sure, the apartment or whatever. Not saying that that's a bad thing. I'm just saying saying that, like, you know, in. In relation to what most people are looking for, they want a house, they want a home with a backyard with a pool and this and that. And like, how are you gonna make that you can't do it without having money, so.
Sid Smith
Well and. God, everything's so expensive.
Jesse
Exactly. Yeah. Literally. So is that it? Yeah, we're done. I'm gonna do my little gel swipe really quick.
Sid Smith
Yeah, let's do it. And. Yeah, me sitting for it.
Jesse
Yes. Stay there because it's easier. I can't do it when you're standing.
Sid Smith
It'll be so. I actually think you're in invisible because your waist is so tiny. Look at the waist to ass ratio. It's actually insane.
Jesse
The waist. You're just gassing me up right now.
Sid Smith
No, I'm telling you, that's. That's one thing that. What are they saying? You have to say your compliments out loud. When you think what you have, people aren't complimented.
Jesse
I appreciate that. That's so kind.
Sid Smith
Look how fire that looks. Actually not painful at all.
Jesse
No.
Sid Smith
Yeah, see, there's that. You're so light with it. It's never like, even my sternum not painful at all.
Jesse
Well, it's the way that we tattoo. Like, that's why. That's why, like, again, like, this is like our brand because it really came from Jesse. He taught himself this, like, technique and he gave it to me, and then we gave it to the other girls too. So. Yeah, it's the way that we tattoo. That's why it's so light. And we're able to still get it to stay dark without pushing too hard.
Sid Smith
Yeah.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
I mean, like, yeah, it's cool. I have to show this.
Jesse
Oh, your sternum or your.
Sid Smith
No, look at, like, that's crazy. No touch ups, nothing.
Jesse
Yeah, that.
Sid Smith
Honestly, tiny little beadwork.
Jesse
Look at that. You see that?
Sid Smith
Crazy. It looks so good. That's my favorite tattoo. If I can.
Jesse
Yeah.
Sid Smith
Anytime I take photos, I try to put my arm out like.
Jesse
I know, because it's so hot.
Sid Smith
Yeah, it's so sick. That looks good.
Jesse
So funny. Okay, ready?
Sid Smith
Ready. Damn, that was clean. Because we. We've had to redo it before. That was a. That was a. That was a clean one.
Jesse
Oh, my gosh. That was so good.
Sid Smith
It's perfect for our spring break trip too, because I'll be in bathing suits and.
Jesse
Yeah, you got your sternum. Everything.
Sid Smith
You're.
Jesse
You're ready to go.
Sid Smith
I'll take a bunch of titty pics for you. Don't worry.
Jesse
Can't wait. That literally that. I told you that post was gonna blow up. That blew up. It's still going. I mean, people are still liking it. Commenting, everything.
Sid Smith
Oh, I'm so glad all right, we are done. We are tatted. I'm obsessed. Thank you so much.
Jesse
Of course. Thank you.
Sid Smith
Where can people find you and how can they book with you?
Jesse
You can find me on Tick Tock. Sid Smith tattoo Instagram is Sid Smith with three Hs. Our brand is syzygy precision tattooing, which most people get wrong, but it's a real world and that is just going to be the same thing for Instagram. So at the G, Tattooing Instagram or Tick Tock, we don't really do that. It's a lot.
Sid Smith
Yeah, you know, I feel you.
Jesse
I just. I avoid that one. But anyway. And then our website is scissorg tattooing.com. everything's on my page and you can click it right in my bio on my link tree.
Sid Smith
And they have North Scottsdale.
Jesse
Yes. And Chalfont, Pennsylvania.
Sid Smith
Okay.
Jesse
As well.
Sid Smith
And what about just Jesse stuff?
Jesse
Jesse is on Instagram mainly. You don't really use anything else. So at Jesse J E S S E dot tattoo.
Sid Smith
If you guys need any. Anything done, go to them. I'm telling you. I'm not just saying this because she's my friend and we did this, but she's the best of the best.
Jesse
Thanks. Favorite.
Sid Smith
So if you're able to get in, please do. And she's a gem of a human.
Jesse
Thank you.
Sid Smith
Thanks, girls.
Jesse
So good seeing you.
Sid Smith
Bye, guys.
Jesse
Cheers. Bye.
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Podcast Summary: CHEERS! with Avery Woods – Episode: Tattoo Therapy | Syd Smith
Introduction & Setting
In the March 10, 2025 episode of "CHEERS! with Avery Woods," host Avery Woods welcomes listeners to a special episode titled "Tattoo Therapy," featuring the renowned tattoo artist Syd Smith. Unlike typical interviews, this episode takes a unique, vlog-style approach as Avery gets tattooed by Syd while engaging in an in-depth conversation about Syd's life, career, and insights into the tattoo industry.
Syd Smith’s Early Life and Entry into Tattooing
Syd Smith shares her journey into the world of tattooing, starting from her childhood in Jersey. She describes her upbringing in a creative family environment, which fostered her passion for drawing and art.
Syd began her tattooing career shortly after high school, working as an apprentice at a tattoo studio when she was just 17. Despite not receiving formal training initially, her dedication and passion propelled her forward in the industry.
Building a Tattoo Career and Apprenticeship Challenges
Syd discusses the challenges she faced during her apprenticeship, including working under a mentor who wasn’t providing adequate training. However, her perseverance led her to switch studios, where she honed her skills in line work and realism.
Her talent eventually caught the attention of a manager tattoo artist, allowing Syd to work on high-profile clients, including celebrities like Megan Fox and Simone Biles. This exposure significantly boosted her reputation and clientele.
Business Expansion and Collaboration with Jesse
Syd met Jesse in December 2020, and the two quickly formed both a personal and professional partnership. Together, they opened multiple tattoo studios, including locations in North Scottsdale and Chalfont, Pennsylvania. Syd emphasizes the importance of building a trustworthy team and maintaining the quality of their work across different studios.
Their collaboration extends beyond tattooing, as they support each other's businesses and share insights on managing multiple locations effectively.
Leveraging Social Media for Growth
Both Syd and Jesse highlight the pivotal role social media played in their business growth. Syd recounts her rise on TikTok and Instagram, detailing how viral content and strategic engagement helped her attract a million followers within a short period.
Jesse complements this by discussing his disciplined approach to social media, focusing solely on his tattoo work rather than personal branding, which led to a steady increase in clientele without the pitfalls of overexposure.
Balancing Personal Life and Professional Demands
The conversation delves into the challenges of maintaining a work-life balance in the demanding tattoo industry. Syd shares personal anecdotes about managing long working hours, physical strain, and the impact on mental health. Both artists stress the importance of prioritizing personal well-being over relentless business expansion.
Jesse adds that while scaling their business is a priority, they recognize the need to eventually delegate and possibly take a step back from daily tattooing to preserve their health and happiness.
Philosophies on Work, Authenticity, and Mental Health
Syd and Jesse discuss their philosophies regarding authenticity in their work and interactions on social media. They emphasize staying true to their art and personal values, avoiding the temptation to conform to trends solely for popularity or financial gain.
The duo also touches on the importance of mental health, acknowledging past struggles and highlighting how stepping back and focusing on what truly brings them joy has been transformative.
Future Plans and Closing Tattoo Session
Looking ahead, Syd and Jesse outline their aspirations for further business growth, including expanding to larger, more versatile spaces and continuing to mentor upcoming tattoo artists. They also discuss the importance of maintaining quality and integrity as their businesses scale.
The episode culminates with Avery getting her fourth tattoo from Syd, showcasing their signature light and precise technique. This final segment not only highlights their professional synergy but also provides a real-time demonstration of their artistry.
Conclusion
In this engaging episode of "CHEERS! with Avery Woods," Syd Smith offers an insightful look into the life of a successful tattoo artist balancing creativity, business expansion, and personal well-being. Through candid conversations and live tattooing sessions, Syd and Jesse provide valuable lessons on perseverance, authenticity, and the relentless pursuit of excellence in the tattoo industry.
Notable Quotes:
Syd Smith [06:37]: "I was really big with drawing. My mom's really good at drawing. My sister's really good at drawing. My cousin...Everybody's pretty creative."
Sid Smith [16:14]: "So we've tattooed Megan Fox and Simone Biles. That speaks a lot to your talent."
Sid Smith [32:37]: "I was so obsessed with trying to climb to the top that it consumed me."
Jesse [31:26]: "We're going to have one of those, like, industrial spaces, the flat spaces that have like, the studio in the front and then a garage in the back with all our cars."
Syd Smith [57:14]: "I'm more about not trying to say I'm selfish, but, like, I'm more focused on my life because everybody's living life for the first time..."
This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, providing an informative and engaging overview for those who haven't listened to it.