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What is priesthood? I don't know if there's a more difficult question in the Church today.
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You can speak with authority because the Lord has placed authority upon you, but you're given divine authority to do the work of God, and that will be binding for the salvation of the human family.
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That's a huge thing, right? And something that should be shouted from the rooftops.
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We're going to do something that's never been done before.
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Does the oath and covenant of the priesthood apply to women? Priesthood is not synonymous with manhood.
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It seems pretty clear that we're talking about this eternal family. Sealing the network of men and women into the eternal holy order of God.
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A salvational system that doesn't include women, that doesn't put them to work and doesn't offer them the same blessings, is really not complete.
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That's why we have a Church of Jesus Christ in the latter days. Welcome back to part two of this week's discussion about doctrine and covenants. 84. Casey in our first video, we talked about the context and the content of Section 84, which was a lot. That's 120 verses long. And so we figured we ought to break this up into two parts. So here in part two, we want to cover the controversies and the consequences of Section 84. So you ready to jump into controversies?
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Let's tackle it. The first one I think we've already kind of tiptoed towards, which is the part of the first Revelation where it talks about the temple being reared in this generation. Critics of the church will look at this and call it a failed prophecy because the City of Zion and its temples have not been built yet. And are we going to build exactly what they were planning to build in 1833? Probably not, to be honest with you. We do have designs of the early City of Zion that show it as like being a square mile with 24 temples in the middle, a temple complex, and that same thing, the plot of the City of Zion, gives an explanation for what the temples are. And they are associated with the church offices as they existed in 1833. These temples were administrative centers, and they were very similar to the Kirtland temple, where they didn't have places for ordinances. So the way they're using the term temple is a little bit different here.
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Okay, so what about the prophecy? Clearly, the Lord said it would be built in that generation. And we gave one thought on this as we were covering those verses, but you said you wanted to go a little deeper on that, so we'll do that.
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It's possible that it's not a prophecy at all, it's a commandment. And there's a difference between a prophecy and a commandment. When a commandment is not kept, that doesn't invalidate the commandment. So, for instance, when the Lord said, thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor, that's one of the ten commandments. If a person doesn't keep the commandment, it doesn't mean that the Lord was wrong. It means that the person failed or there was some weakness in the individual. And there's nothing wrong with the Lord or the prophet that gave the commandment in the first place. And the language there sounds like he's commanding them to build the temple, not prophesying that the temple will be built. That's one way of looking at it. This seems to be the interpretation that the Church leans towards because they've footnoted it to section 124. In later revelations, God provides two reasons why the temples were not built. Number one, there were contentions, envyings and strife among the saints in Missouri. So the saints of Missouri couldn't get their act together. If a person doesn't fulfill the commandment, doesn't invalidate the commandment. Second, the enemies of the saints were demonstrating intense opposition. Like you mentioned in section 124, the Lord refers to the charge to build the temples as a commandment that he rescinded because of persecution. So he refers to it as a Commandment in Section124, basically. Which means it's probably in his mind, a commandment and not a prophecy, though I can see prophetic elements in it. The second might be with the phrasing which someone would bring up in this generation. There's uncertainty about what that means specifically. For instance, the Lord tells Joseph Smith this is in doctrine and covenants, 5, 10. This generation shall have my word through you. It seems in this case, the word generation is used as a synonym for dispensation because we're still using the words of Joseph Smith. It wasn't just for the people that lived in his time. Generation, as it's used in that passage, does not appear to be the time between a parent's birth and the birth of their children, which is the traditional way it's used, but kind of an epoch of time in the history of the human race. So I'm suggesting the generation here might be synonymous with the way we use dispensation today, which means the latter days, it's going to be built by before the latter days are over. Before the Second Coming. Here's one more, maybe possible way to think of it too. The passage uses this language. This is verse 5. This generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord. So it's possible that that prophetic part of the passage is saying there's going to be a house built, a temple built. It might be that this is referring only to a temple being built, but not necessarily the temples in Zion being built in that generation. If this is the case, then the the prophecy is fulfilled. There's a temple built in Kirtland, there's another built in Nauvoo. If we're really taking it as far as we can, members of that generation don't really pass away until the early 20th century. So we could say the St. George Temple, the Manti Temple, the Logan Temple, the Salt Lake Temple, even Kardston, Canada and Laie, Hawaii fulfill this prophecy that an house will be built.
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I like that. Although verse four says the city, New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation? For verily, this generation shall not pass until a house shall be built. Isn't the verse 5 referring to verse 4's New Jerusalem Temple?
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You could look at it that way, but I guess another question to ask would be, what is the New Jerusalem like? Is it a collection of buildings? What's a city, I guess you'd say. One time I was in Craig Ostler's class and we were talking about Enoch sitting, being taken up into heaven, and Craig just asked a really insightful question, which is, what is a city like? Is it the dirt and the trees and the buildings? And his opinion was what was taken up into heaven was the people, that that's what forms a city. And in that sense, if we look at the New Jerusalem as the people, the New Jerusalem is a pretty sizable city. The church is several million people. And it was a fairly sizable city within that generation, if we're going to use that meaning of generation to say it. And the New Jerusalem being reared might have different dimensions to it than just we're going to build these buildings and we're going to build this city. That happens. So I'm open to all those ideas and interpretations, and I think each one gives the idea that, hey, there's plenty of wiggle room here for the New Jerusalem to be built. I think it's going to be built in independence, but if it's built somewhere else, I'm okay. With that, too. It just seems like my reading of the Doctrine and Covenants is that there's something special about that spot to build.
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A new Jerusalem, which is. That's where the city comes in, which can be really extrapolated. You're saying, to apply to all the gathering places of the saints that could be the city of New Jerusalem.
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Yeah. I mean, does the Salt Lake Temple fulfill this prophecy? Yeah, in a lot of ways it does. If you're looking at it, the saints have to build and temple and city from that perspective. And commandments can be fulfilled in surprising ways, too. You see that again and again and again in the Scriptures.
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Maybe the situation changed and therefore the Lord readjusted based on section 124, saying, I no longer require that at your hands because your enemies came and stopped you from doing it. And so we're shifting. Both of us are implying something that's not quite said in the text. So go give it a read. Think about what you think about this. But it is, it is definitely the Lord's response to Joseph's concern about the prophecy or the command in section 84 that they need to build the temple in Missouri. So this is not a temple recommend question.
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No, it's not.
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What do you. What do you think section 124, verses 49 through 54 imply? Like, that's. That's not not a temple recommend question.
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So that would be a surprising question if it showed up. Okay, so what is priesthood?
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Take my words as food for thought. But as I look at the word priesthood in the revelations of Joseph Smith and in his teachings about it, and then I look at how we use the word priesthood today, there appears to have been some metamorphosis with our use of this word. And like what we, what we say it means. For example, we're accustomed to speaking of priesthood in the Church today as the power or authority of God delegated to man. Right? It's like a power that a man holds. We even call him priesthood holders. But this definition actually developed shortly after the time of the prophet Joseph Smith. And it's not found in his own personal lexicon or in any of his revelations, like section 84 as being a key one. Section 107, section 121, section 124. Like, none of these revelations about priesthood define it like that. Instead, it's defined as like a holy order, like we saw today in section 84. It's a holy order. It's a group. It's. It's a hood of priests. It's a Hood of high priests. If it's the high priesthood rather than something that somebody holds. Right. It's a group that you belong to and you're given certain authorization to do certain things according to the office that you hold. You can hold office in the priesthood, but you don't hold priesthood in this original understanding of priesthood as I'm reading it.
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Yeah. And it's clear in the church that that has changed for sure. And it seems like that's part of the controversy too. Right. Is the way Joseph Smith used priesthood is probably, and I'm agreeing with you on this, different than the way modern church leaders use priesthood and modern church. This is the way Dalliny Stokes uses it. He says we're not accustomed to speaking of women having the authority of the priesthood in their church callings, but what other authority can it be? When a woman, young or old, is set apart to preach the gospel as a full time missionary, she is given priesthood authority to perform a priesthood function. The same is true when a woman is set apart as an officer or teacher in a church organization under the direction of one who holds the keys of the priesthood. Whoever functions in an office or calling received from one who holds priesthood keys exercises priesthood authority in performing her or his assigned duty. That clearly sounds like he's not talking about like an organization that you enter into, but that he's saying authority is granted to you. And I think that's very different from what you're talking about here. But I think there is a way to reconcile them.
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Really important when you read scripture. This would be my point. When you read scripture, you should know how the word's being used in the context of that revelation.
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Right, I agree. Yeah.
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I think it might be able to help us clarify discussions about challenging topics around the topic of priesthood today, particularly like women in the priesthood. It can help us reframe temple work. Temple workers. In Joseph Smith's day in Nauvoo, for instance, the temple workers, men and women were referred to as the priesthood or the holy order, the anointed quorum, this, this proto temple worker group in Nauvoo of men and women referred to as the priesthood. I find really fascinating and interesting. So in Joseph Smith's day, we're going to have a couple definitions of priesthood, one of which is like just a holy order that men belong to within the church ecclesiastical structure, order to do church duties. But then as the temple theology continues to build and it kind of crescendos in Nauvoo, we're getting other definitions of priesthood like Those who officiate in the temple are the temple priesthood, and it consists of men and women. Joseph also will refer to priesthood as like an eternal, like, family based holy order that men and women are brought into. And in the resurrection, when, when we rise as kings and queens and priests and priestesses, like the whole group of people are called the priesthood. Like, read Section 2 of the Doctrine and Covenants with that idea in mind and you'll probably get closer to the, to the meaning, right, that Elijah's gonna reveal the priesthood to be able to bind men and women and children in this huge family, this eternal family order. And that too is called the priesthood. It's the hood of all the priests and priestesses, kings and queens. So it's just this really rich word in Joseph Smith's lexicon.
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It seems like the leaders of the church in our day have tried to answer the most pertinent question relating to this, which is women and priesthood, by using definition two, by saying, well, women serve in the church and they serve with authority, and the only kind of authority that the church has is priesthood. So if priesthood is the authority of God, of course women have priesthood. Just like President Oaks said, when a woman is set apart to preach the gospel, she's being given priesthood authority. When a woman is called to lead a church organization like the Relief Society, she's doing so with priesthood authority. But you're saying that the first definition works too, which I really like, actually, that if priesthood is this organization that a person's brought into, it's a holy, sanctified order that women can enter into. And that makes a ton of sense out of things that Joseph Smith said in the Nauvoo period, specifically where he's talking to the Relief Society, for instance, and he says, I want to make you a kingdom of priests. You can see this right in the Relief Society minutes. And he's saying, I'm going to bring you into the holy order, but I'm going to do it through the temple. And then there's another discourse where he's talking about the Nauvoo Temple. And he says something like, there's three grand orders of the priesthood. And he mentions the Melchizedek and the Aaronic, and then he says there's a third order. And he uses this word patriarchal priesthood, which today the word patriarchal or patriarchy is totally loaded. Barbara Gardner and Jonathan Stapley have both suggested alternate words that it wasn't meaning men, it was meaning family, and that women were brought into that order of the priesthood too. But it happens through the temple. And that's one thing I've thought about, because I don't know if there's a more difficult question in the church today than the place of women. And do women have rights to leadership? And do women's have right to the priesthood? And I think you can solve it using both definitions. The other thing that I've always thought is we could make the temple sort of is where everything is sort of explained. Like, it's not appropriate here in this setting to discuss the liturgy and the wording that's used in the temple. But there's so much there that's helpful. Like, my wife specifically had issues with this, but when she went to the temple and saw women performing ordinances with authority, it was like, oh, okay, I get it.
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Yeah. And one of my favorite quotes to kind of help clarify all of this in my mind was this, this quote from Elder Joseph Fielding Smith. And he gave this, actually, in a talk called Relief, an Aid to the Priesthood, referring to the priesthood as this group of men rather than as authority. And he says this, actually, he says authority and priesthood are two different things. That's very much in alignment with how the Doctrine and Covenants is. Is speaking of this. He says a person may have authority given to him or a sister to her to do certain things in the church that are binding and absolutely necessary for our salvation, such as the work that our sisters do in the house of the Lord. He says, and you sisters who labor in the house of the Lord can lay your hands upon your sisters and with divine authority, because the Lord recognizes positions which you occupy. You can speak with authority because the Lord has placed authority upon you. Our sisters have been given power and authority to do a great many things. The work which they do is done by divine authority. Priesthood is a holy order with officers and stuff in it. And then there's also divine authority that can be given to men and women for various things, like Sunday school president. Does that require priesthood office? No, we can give authority sisters as missionaries that require priesthood office. No, but you can be given divine authority. Temple workers, especially sisters that require priesthood office. No, but you're given divine authority to do the work of God, and that will be binding for the salvation of the human family. Now, in terms of the narrative in 1832, like, we're not even close to talking about women yet. That's not going to happen for another decade. So in 1842, we're going to get the Relief Society. And then Joseph Smith starting to think about how women as officers in the church should work and how they'll be situated under the. The direction of the priesthood of the. Of the First Presidency. And we'll talk all about that as we. As we go on later. But this is early. 1832 is early. We're still talking mostly about men here, but we're going to watch this develop and it's eventually going to subsume. Like I said in Nauvoo, we're going to be talking about men and women as the priesthood doing temple work with divine authority. So, anyway, that quote from Joseph Smith is super helpful.
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Jean B. Bingham, who is the General Relief Society president, made this statement, and look at how she uses it. She said, my colleagues, because I am serving with priesthood authority given to me by one who has keys, there have been numerous times when I have had thoughts or words given to me that are just what a young woman or Relief Society sister or primary child needed to hear. I know that those words came to me because of the priesthood authority I was given when I was set apart for that calling. So it does seem like she's distinguishing a little bit here. She's using the term priesthood authority and recognizing that dichotomy that you're kind of setting up there as well, that she has authority. Where does it come from? It comes from the priesthood. So a lot of times in my classes when we introduce this idea, we'll say, okay, let's define these terms. Priesthood, priesthood authority, priesthood, keys. Let's talk about which one's different and how they separate from each other and how they should be used appropriately in the church. Because we've also got statements from people like Dalliny Chokes and Russell Ballard, where they said things like priesthood is not synonymous with manhood, that sometimes in the church we simplify by saying, hey, second hour, the priesthood's going to meet here and the women are going to meet here. And both of them said, that's a mistake. First of all, if a woman has been to the temple, she's been inducted into the priesthood. In my mind, she's part of that first definition that you set up.
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That's the full name of the garment. Right. It's the garment of the holy priesthood. And men and women wear it.
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Yeah. They receive it. And in the temple, women perform ordinances with authority. And then in the church, there's priesthood authority to do certain things. Like you mentioned a Sunday school president. That happens to be my calling right now. It's not an office of the priesthood, but do I have authority to supervise teaching and training in my Word, Yeah. What kind of authority comes from the priesthood? So it's priesthood authority.
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All the officers of the church have divine authority to do their thing.
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In the restoration proclamation, the leaders of the church made the narrative of priesthood restoration more complicated, by which I mean, typically when I was a missionary and we talk about priesthood restoration, we'd say John the Baptist restored the Aaron priesthood, and Peter, James and John restored the Melchizedek priesthood. In the restoration proclamation, they add in a third event, which is that Elijah appeared and restored the authority to create eternal families. They add in the Kirtland temple, making it three narratives. But I sort of wish that we would also add in a fourth event, which is to say, and during the Nauvoo period, women were inducted into the priesthood as well and given authority to perform ordinances. Because so many people look at our church and just their narrative is women don't have the priesthood and women can't lead. And that's just not true because we are cautious to talk about the temple, and rightly so. It's sacred. A lot of people don't understand why the temple is so important to us and how it fits into our narrative, especially for women. Like, let me bring up this quote. This is from President Nelson. He said this in 2019. He was speaking to women. He said, if you are endowed but not currently married to a man who bears the priesthood, and someone says to you, I'm sorry you don't have the priesthood in your home. Home, please understand that that statement is incorrect. You may not have a priesthood bearer in your home, but you have received and made sacred covenants with God in His temple. From those covenants flows an endowment of his priesthood power upon you.
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It's interesting, and we'll probably cover this more when we get to section 124 of the Doctrine and Covenants. But the only reason the Lord gives for building the Nauvoo Temple is he says, we need to restore the fullness of the priesthood. That's 1841. Peter, James and John have already happened. John the Baptist, Moses, Elias, Elijah already happened. And so what more was there to bring back regarding priesthood? And from the teachings of Joseph, it seems pretty clear that we're talking about this eternal family sealing and the network of men and women into the eternal holy order of God. Priests, priestesses, kings, queens, united eternally. That's the fullness of the priesthood. Bookmark that. We'll talk more about that when we get to Nauvoo. But just know that this word priesthood is really rich, especially in these Revelations of Joseph Smith and how he's using it and how he's learning about it and how he's teaching about it. And so just keep that in mind as you go through his revelations. That would be my advice. Just step back and say, am I imposing our modern way of talking about it into my reading, or am I really reading this in the context and the definitions that are given here, right in the text?
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Love it. This has been so helpful to me. Let me go to one more controversy, and you and I brought this one up when we were prepping to teach this. It's common practice that when a man is ordained an elder, when he receives the Melchizedek priest priesthood or is inducted into the Melchizedek priesthood, the instructions are that the ecclesiastical leader who's interviewing him will read the oath and covenant of the priesthood in section 84 of the doctrine and Covenants. Now, I think you and I solved this in real time as we were working on it. But does the oath and covenant of the priesthood apply to women 1000%?
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Yes.
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It sounds like it's a male thing because you're hearing sons of Moses and sons of Aaron. But then there's a subtle little shift here. Right. Do you want to walk us through that?
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Yeah. So that picks up in verse 35, and we mentioned this kind of in passing as we were going through the text. Let's look at it carefully with this question in mind. Verse 34 talked about those who receive these two priesthoods, obtain these two priesthoods and magnify their calling, become the sons of Moses and Aaron, seed of Abraham, church, kingdom, elect of God. I think in 1832 context, this is clearly talking about the male officers in the church. But then verse 35 happens. Okay, verse 35 happens. And also all they who receive this priesthood receive me. Okay, so that group, all the. All they. Now we're talking about a different group, because then he defines what he means by Priesthood. Verse 36. For he that receiveth my servants, receiveth me. So that's a clarification. If you receive this priesthood, meaning this group of the sons of Moses and the sons of Aaron, if you receive that group called the priesthood, the hood of the priests, if you receive them, then you receive receiving me. And when you receive me, you receive my Father and my Father's kingdom. Who does that apply to? Who is asked and invited to receive the servants of the Lord called here the priesthood? Well, that's men, that's women, that's the whole world. That's what the section goes on to talk about right. Is take this to the whole world, men and women, and invite them to receive my servants, receive my ordinances, because if you receive that, then you receive me and receive and off we go. So yeah, I think verse 35 when it says all they. Now we're shifting to a group of men and women.
A
You made the comment that it's common practice to read this with a man before he's ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood, that we should probably read this with women before they go to the temple and are endowed.
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What are they about to do? They're about to. Verse 19. They're about to receive the laws and rituals of the higher priesthood in order to get the power of godliness in their life in order to prepare to see God, which will ritualize through the endowment. Right. A ritual of preparation to actually see God. And we, we even sort of ritualize that at the veil like we're going to go into God's presence. Right. And so yeah, what a perfect time to read the oath and covenant with men and women before they go into the temple and receive the next laws and rituals. So yeah, 100%.
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I'd love for women to read the oath and covenant of the priesthood and realize that all the promises made here apply to them. Just a modern confirmation. This is an excerpt from a conversation that Jean Bingham, Sister Bingham, when she was relief soc President, had with President Russell M. Nelson. So this was back and forth, it was unscripted, but here's the transcript. President Nelson made reference specifically to section 84. And he said the oath and covenant of the priesthood means that God's made a promise and he sets the conditions and if you agree to keep them, you make a covenant. And then he also indicates when you do what I say, you will receive the blessings. If you do not what I say, you have no promise. So it's clearly a two way conversation. A covenant two way. He makes the provisioned and you accept them and keep those covenants and keep the blessings. And then Sister Bingham asked so that is just as relevant to women as it is to men. President Nelson's answer was totally. Sister Bingham then asked clarifying question. All those priesthood blessings from the oath and covenant of the priesthood are enjoyed by both men and women. President Nilsen's answer was exactly, exactly. So I think if you just read the text, you can get there. But it's nice to know that a modern prophet has also confirmed, yep, every blessing here is for both men and women. It's for all disciples of Christ. It's for everybody who's willing to enter into these covenants and receive the priesthood. And, boy, I don't know if we acknowledge Jean Bingham enough. She did some good stuff.
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Some good questions. Wow.
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Yeah, she's asking some good questions and she's making some powerful statements when she's the General Relief Society president. Just really, really valuable stuff.
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And I want to circle back to something we were talking about a couple minutes ago here. So in 1832, before there's even been a temple built, the sons of Moses, sons of Aaron, Aaron. This seems clearly to be talking about men and men only. But there's going to be a shift 10 years from now when we get to the Nauvoo Temple, 1841, that revelation, section 124, when the Lord starts talking about building the Nauvoo Temple, he says we're going to do something that's never been done before, from before. The foundations of the earth. He says, this is going to be different. In fact, let me just quote two verses from a section 124. Let's look at verse 41 and 40 42. The Lord says to Joseph Smith about the Nauvoo Temple. For I deign to reveal unto my church things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world, things that pertain to the dispensation of the fullness of times. And I will show unto my servant Joseph, all things pertaining to this house and the priesthood thereof, and the place whereon it shall be built. So let's think about that in context. So we've had temples in the past. Ever since Moses, there's been temples, right? There's been Temple of Solomon, Solomon, Book of Mormon. People had temples. Jesus's day, there was a temple, Temple of Herod. But the Lord says, this temple is going to be something different. We're going to do something different with the Nauvoo Temple that's never been done before. And I'm going to teach Joseph Smith about all things pertaining to this house and the priesthood thereof. And what we're going to find is something that's never been done before. I think, Casey, is that women were being invited to become ordinance workers in the house of the Lord to administer the ordinances on behalf of women. We have no record of that in the Old Testament. They're always men. They're always the sons of Aaron, sons of Levi. We don't have that in Jesus's day. We've never had a temple quite like we have temples today. And in those temples, the priesthood Thereof consists of both men and women who are administering the ordinances of salvation. So section 84 is kind of starting the thought out saying that in the ordinances thereof, the power of godliness is manifest. Well, by Nauvoo we start to realize women get to officiate in those ordinances too. And so that's something that's never happened in the history of the world. I believe Section124 is saying so exciting things with women. Priesthood, temple, it's all so rich and good.
A
That's a huge thing. Right. And something that should be shouted from the rooftops. A salvational system that doesn't include women, that doesn't put them to work and doesn't offer them the same blessings, is really, really not complete. So when the Lord says the fullness is going to be revealed here, that's a major, major thing and maybe something that deserves a little bit more recognition when we talk about the restoration of the priesthood.
B
All right, Casey, we are now to the consequences of section 84, our final C here. What flows out of section 84 and impacts the Church going forward?
A
Yeah, let's try and summarize this big three part revelation in the Doctrine and Covenants. First, let's go through the doctrinal peaks of the section using this priesthood lens. So we learn that there is a high or greater priesthood that's talked about in verse 19, which is after the holiest order of God. That's verse 18. And that through the laws and rituals mediated by this priesthood, mankind can become sanctified and prepared to see the face of God the Father. So there's a higher priesthood that brings us into God's presence. Presence. That's a big deal.
B
So what I'm hearing you say is there's some pretty significant theological takeaways from this in terms of higher priesthood. And we also learned that there is this thing called the lesser priesthood, verse 26, or an order of lesser priests, verse 111, which mediates the preparatory gospel of repentance and baptism and the remission of sins and more doctrine. Here is we learn that all people who receive the Lord's priesthood servants by accepting the laws and rituals of both holy orders from under their hands. Hands receive Jesus. That's verse 35, 36 and 89. And then Jesus leads us to receive the Father and the Father's kingdom through a covenant from the Father that all he has will be given to them. This is called the oath and covenant which belongeth to the priesthood. Verse 39 says so. Again, a dense, beautiful little Packed theological point about all mankind being invited to receive all that the Father has mediated through this group called the priesthood.
A
Right. The oath and covenant of the priesthood. One of the most impactful and important sections of any revelations given and a great summary of the covenant God makes with men and women. It's the plan of salvation in a nutshell. Right. It's a very succinct way of just saying, here's the deal, here's what I'm asking, and here's what you get to receive in return. And it is definitely a good deal for anybody that chooses to enter into it. Then the revelation continues and we learn that all mankind are born with the capacity to come unto God and receive this covenant despite varying degrees of righteousness and wickedness. Which leads us into Christ, explaining why he sends his priesthood servants to preach the gospel of the kingdom to all the world unto those who have not yet received it. So here's the message. It's beautiful. It's wonderful. Now I need you to go out and share it with everybody that you possibly can because it will help lift them and bring them to a higher, happier and better state.
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And we learn from the very second verse of this revelation that this work of restoring and gathering the people of God by inviting them to receive the laws and rituals of both priesthoods is the very purpose for the existence of the Church. That's why we have a Church of Jesus Christ in the latter days. So awesome. And all of this is somehow, intimately connected with the temple that the Lord has commanded the saints to build at the epicenter of Zion. This is kind of the first breadcrumb on a long trail, like we said, is going to lead to Nauvoo. A lot of clarity about temples and what the Lord is up to. But this is again one of the very first in the stages of the development of temple doctrine. And wow. The impact, the ongoing impact that this revelation and subsequent revelations that build on this one have is pretty incalculable because it affects people on both sides of the veil. We'll find out. Billions of people. And so what a revelation.
A
Yes. So much to process and yet such a simple message. When you boil it down to if you receive my servants, you receive me, receive my Father, and then you receive all that my Father hath. It's like a four sentence summary of why it's called the good News, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
B
Yeah, it's like all the theological pieces of the restoration that had been revealed up to this point are starting to come together into like a more cohesive picture of what God is up to, which, again, will continue to be clarified all the way up to and through Nauvoo. So more to come on this, but, man, what a great place to start.
A
Seriously, wonderful stuff. Well, Scott, it's been a pleasure as always. Thanks for walking us through this. I learn a lot from you. It's always a joy.
B
We'll see you next week.
Podcast Summary: Church History Matters
Episode: 140 - D&C 84 CFM - Clarity on the Priesthood in the Church - E31B
Host/Authors: Scott and Casey
Release Date: July 23, 2025
In Episode 140 of the Church History Matters podcast, Scott and Casey delve into Doctrine and Covenants Section 84, focusing on attaining clarity regarding the priesthood within the Latter-day Saint Church. This episode explores the complexities and beauty of church history, addressing contemporary challenges and theological insights surrounding priesthood authority and its implications for both men and women.
Scott initiates the discussion by posing the fundamental question: "What is priesthood?" (00:00). Casey responds by emphasizing that priesthood involves speaking with authority bestowed by the Lord to perform divine work critical for the salvation of humanity (00:05).
Key Points:
Historical Definitions: Originally, priesthood was viewed as a holy order or group within the church, not merely an authority held by individuals. This contrasts with the modern interpretation that often equates priesthood with authority granted to men.
Evolution Over Time: The definition has shifted from a collective holy order to an individualized authority, a change that has sparked much discussion and controversy within the church.
Notable Quote:
Casey (00:05): "You can speak with authority because the Lord has placed authority upon you, but you're given divine authority to do the work of God, and that will be binding for the salvation of the human family."
The hosts analyze whether Section 84 is a prophecy or a commandment, especially regarding the building of temples.
Key Points:
Prophecy vs. Commandment: Scott suggests that the directive to build temples may be a commandment rather than a prophecy, implying that failure to fulfill it doesn't negate the commandment itself (02:27).
Church's Interpretation: The church tends to view this as a commandment, as later revelations (e.g., Section 124) provide reasons for not building the temple immediately, such as persecutions and internal strife.
Notable Quote:
Scott (02:27): "It's possible that it's not a prophecy at all, it's a commandment. And there's a difference between a prophecy and a commandment."
A significant portion of the conversation addresses whether the oath and covenant of the priesthood applies to women, challenging the notion that priesthood is synonymous with manhood.
Key Points:
Historical Inclusion: During the Nauvoo period, women were inducted into the priesthood and participated in temple ordinances, an aspect often overlooked in modern discussions.
Modern Perspectives: Leaders like Dalliny Stokes and Jean Bingham highlight that women hold priesthood authority in their callings, such as missionaries and Relief Society presidents, indicating that priesthood is not limited to men.
Temple Ordinances: Casey emphasizes that in temples, women perform ordinances with authority, reinforcing their integral role in priesthood functions.
Notable Quotes:
Casey (21:37): "The oath and covenant of the priesthood applies to women 1000%."
Jean B. Bingham (25:31): "All those priesthood blessings from the oath and covenant of the priesthood are enjoyed by both men and women."
The discussion explores the Nauvoo Temple and its unique role in expanding the understanding of priesthood to include women.
Key Points:
Section 124 Insights: Casey explains that Section 124 reveals the Nauvoo Temple as a groundbreaking structure where both men and women administer ordinances, a divergence from historical precedents.
Fullness of the Priesthood: The Nauvoo Temple represented the restoration's fullness of the priesthood, integrating men and women into a collective holy order essential for eternal family sealing.
Modern Applications: The hosts suggest that recognizing the Nauvoo period's contributions can help reconcile modern practices with early church teachings on priesthood.
Notable Quote:
Scott (27:50): "A salvational system that doesn't include women, that doesn't put them to work and doesn't offer them the same blessings, is really, really not complete."
Throughout the episode, Scott and Casey reference influential statements from church leaders to support their analysis.
Key Points:
Elder Joseph Fielding Smith: Differentiates between priesthood and authority, stating that women can hold priesthood authority to perform essential church duties (14:27).
Jean Bingham and President Nelson: Illustrate contemporary confirmations that priesthood covenants and blessings are inclusive of women, reinforcing that both men and women are integral to priesthood responsibilities (24:00).
Notable Quotes:
Elder Joseph Fielding Smith (14:27): "Priesthood is a holy order with officers and stuff in it. And then there's also divine authority that can be given to men and women for various things..."
President Russell M. Nelson (24:00): "...all those priesthood blessings from the oath and covenant of the priesthood are enjoyed by both men and women."
In concluding their discussion on Section 84, Scott and Casey highlight its profound impact on church doctrine and practice.
Key Points:
Doctrinal Clarity: Section 84 outlines the high and lesser priesthoods, the oath and covenant, and emphasizes the universal invitation to all mankind to receive priesthood blessings.
Church Purpose: The revelation establishes that the core purpose of the church is to gather people by inviting them to partake in priesthood ordinances, centralizing temple building as the epicenter of this mission.
Eternal Implications: The teachings of Section 84 are seen as foundational for understanding the eternal family and the comprehensive nature of priesthood in both earthly and heavenly realms.
Notable Quote:
Casey (32:10): "It's like all the theological pieces of the restoration that had been revealed up to this point are starting to come together into like a more cohesive picture of what God is up to."
Episode 140 of Church History Matters offers a nuanced exploration of Doctrine and Covenants Section 84, shedding light on the evolving understanding of priesthood within the Latter-day Saint Church. Scott and Casey successfully navigate complex theological debates, particularly regarding the inclusivity of women in priesthood covenants and the historical significance of temple ordinances. Their insightful discussion underscores the richness of priesthood as a holy order and divine authority, essential for both individual salvation and the collective mission of the church.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps:
Scott (00:00): "What is priesthood? I don't know if there's a more difficult question in the Church today."
Casey (00:05): "You can speak with authority because the Lord has placed authority upon you, but you're given divine authority to do the work of God, and that will be binding for the salvation of the human family."
Scott (02:27): "It's possible that it's not a prophecy at all, it's a commandment. And there's a difference between a prophecy and a commandment."
Casey (21:37): "The oath and covenant of the priesthood applies to women 1000%."
Elder Joseph Fielding Smith (14:27): "Priesthood is a holy order with officers and stuff in it. And then there's also divine authority that can be given to men and women for various things..."
Scott (27:50): "A salvational system that doesn't include women, that doesn't put them to work and doesn't offer them the same blessings, is really, really not complete."
Casey (32:10): "It's like all the theological pieces of the restoration that had been revealed up to this point are starting to come together into like a more cohesive picture of what God is up to."
This episode serves as a comprehensive resource for members seeking a deeper understanding of priesthood, its historical context, and its essential role in the eternal plan of salvation. Through meticulous analysis and thoughtful conversation, Scott and Casey provide listeners with valuable insights into one of the most pivotal aspects of church doctrine.