Encore: Friends in High Places

Summary

Podcast Title: Circle Round
Episode: Encore: Friends in High Places
Release Date: April 29, 2025
Host/Author: WBUR (Rebecca Shear)
Produced by: Denise Crosby and Mario Cantone

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Introduction

In this encore edition of WBUR's beloved "Circle Round" podcast, host Rebecca Shear presents "Friends in High Places," a captivating folktale inspired by eastern and southern African traditions. Designed for children ages 3-103, Circle Round delivers sound- and music-rich radio plays that explore essential virtues such as kindness, persistence, and generosity. This episode, featuring voices from actress Denise Crosby and comedian Mario Cantone, weaves a story of friendship and resilience amidst adversity.

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A Land Besieged by Drought

[00:01 – 04:23]

The tale begins in a time long before humans walked the Earth, focusing on two best friends: Rhinoceros (Rhino) and Giraffe. They inhabit a vast plain that has recently fallen victim to a severe drought. The relentless sun has withered the grasses, shriveled bushes, and dried up waterholes, leaving the animals desperate for sustenance.

Rhino's Despair:
"Okay, giraffe, this is getting ridiculous. The two of us have been wandering the plains all morning looking for something to eat or drink. But we might as well face it. We're either going to starve or dehydrate, if not both."
[02:44]

Despite their dire situation, Giraffe maintains a glimmer of hope. She encourages Rhino to keep searching for a solution, emphasizing the strength of their friendship.

Giraffe's Hope:
"I know things aren't looking so good, Rhino, but I say we don't give up. If we keep walking just a little bit longer, who knows what we'll find?"
[02:59]

Their journey is fraught with challenges, including pesky tick bites that add to their misery. Rhino vents his frustration over the relentless parasites.

Rhino's Frustration:
"Yeah, another tick bite. Those parasites are the only ones around here who aren't starving because they're making a meal out of me."
[03:29]

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The Quest for a Solution

[05:42 – 07:36]

Determined to find relief, Giraffe proposes an unconventional solution involving magic. She suggests seeking out Hyena, a wise and crafty creature known for her magical prowess.

Giraffe's Idea:
"Why didn't I think of this earlier? You and I will work some magic."
[05:56]

Hyena agrees to help but requires special magical herbs that can make them tall enough to reach the nourishing leaves of the acacia trees. However, obtaining these herbs will take time, urging them to return the next day precisely at noon.

Hyena's Instruction:
"I just need to collect some special ingredients. Magical herbs that will make whoever eats them grow nice and tall. ... Come back tomorrow. Be sure to arrive at noon on the dot, when the sun takes its highest seat in the sky."
[06:45]

Rhino decides to rest, opting not to accompany Giraffe on this critical mission.

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Transformation and the Approaching Bushfire

[08:12 – 11:28]

The next day, Giraffe arrives promptly at Hyena's den. Hyena administers the magical herbs to Giraffe, triggering a remarkable transformation. Her neck and legs elongate, granting her the height needed to reach the lush acacia leaves.

Giraffe's Transformation:
"Giraffe gulped the herbs down in one bite. ... And next thing she knew, both her neck and legs were getting longer and longer."
[08:15]

Empowered by her new stature, Giraffe heads straight for the acacia trees, enjoying the bounty of tender green leaves. However, her joyous moment is cut short when she spots Rhino struggling with another tick bite near a dried waterhole.

Rhino's Predicament:
"Yes, another tick bite. But it wasn't nearly as painful as what you did to me today, eating the magic herbs. ... I thought we were best friends."
[10:01]

Simultaneously, a bushfire ignites across the plains, threatening all the animals. The intense heat and smoke create an urgent crisis.

Giraffe Notices the Fire:
"It smells like. Like fire. Like something's burning."
[11:08]

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Heroic Rescue and Reconciliation

[13:37 – 19:16]

Amidst the chaos, Giraffe hears the distress calls of oxpecker chicks—a type of bird that feeds on ticks. Spotting their nest in danger, she bravely relocates it to the safety of a distant baobab tree, ensuring their survival.

Giraffe's Rescue Effort:
"Ever so delicately, Giraffe put the nest in her mouth and took off across the plains... 'There you go, little ones. Now we just need to find your mother.'"
[14:11]

The timely arrival of rain extinguishes the bushfire, revitalizing the parched land. Realizing the strain their earlier miscommunication caused, Giraffe makes amends with Rhino by introducing him to Oxpecker.

Giraffe's Reconciliation:
"Oxpecker, this is Rhino. Rhino has a bit of a tick issue. And Rhino, this is Oxpecker. Oxpecker has a bit of a tick appetite. I was thinking the two of you can work something out."
[18:29]

Oxpecker gladly agrees to help Rhino by feeding on his ticks, restoring their friendship and mutual support.

Oxpecker's Gratitude:
"But I insist. Ask for anything, anything at all, and it's yours."
[16:12]

Giraffe's Reflection:
"Giraffe heaved a sigh as she thought about her funny, sleepy, tick fighting friend. ... 'Oh, my.'"
[17:23]

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Moral and Reflection

[22:10 – 23:55]

The story concludes with a heartfelt message encouraging listeners to reflect on their own friendships and consider ways to support and uplift their friends. Whether it's sharing a book, giving a birthday card, or offering a comforting hug, small acts of kindness can have a profound impact.

Rebecca Shear's Closing Words:
"Think about what you can do, then go out and do it. You're guaranteed to make your friend's day and you'll feel good too."
[16:41]

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Notable Quotes

• Rhino's Frustration:
  "Yeah, another tick bite. Those parasites are the only ones around here who aren't starving because they're making a meal out of me."
  [03:29]

• Giraffe's Hope:
  "I know things aren't looking so good, Rhino, but I say we don't give up. If we keep walking just a little bit longer, who knows what we'll find?"
  [02:59]

• Hyena's Instruction:
  "I just need to collect some special ingredients. Magical herbs that will make whoever eats them grow nice and tall. ... Come back tomorrow. Be sure to arrive at noon on the dot, when the sun takes its highest seat in the sky."
  [06:45]

• Giraffe's Transformation:
  "Giraffe gulped the herbs down in one bite. ... And next thing she knew, both her neck and legs were getting longer and longer."
  [08:15]

• Rebecca Shear's Closing Words:
  "Think about what you can do, then go out and do it. You're guaranteed to make your friend's day and you'll feel good too."
  [16:41]

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Conclusion

"Friends in High Places" masterfully blends engaging storytelling with valuable life lessons. Through the adventures of Rhino and Giraffe, listeners learn about the importance of perseverance, the strength found in friendships, and the power of mutual support. Circle Round continues to illuminate these themes with rich audio production, making it a cherished resource for families seeking meaningful and entertaining content.

For more stories, coloring pages, and membership opportunities, visit WBUR.org/CircleRound.

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Special Thanks:
Erika Rose, Dawn Ursula, Mario Cantone, and Denise Crosby for their contributions.

Featured Instrument:
Bolophone. Learn more about this unique percussion instrument and see a photo of Eric Shyamalonis playing it on the Circle Round website.

Call to Action:
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Transcript

[Rebecca Shear]

WBUR Podcasts Boston.

[Mario Cantone]

Before we get to today's story, if you're a Circle Round super fan, then you know we've got some exciting events coming up, including our live show on May 31, 2025, at the WBUR Festival, the 75th birthday celebration of WBUR Boston's NPR select tickets remain, so get [e-mail] CircleRound and while you do that, please enjoy this encore edition of Circle Round, a really fun story you may have missed the first time around. We'll be back with a new tale next week. Think about someone you consider a good friend. If this person were in trouble, how far would you go to help them out? We're about to meet a character who goes to great lengths to help her friends, quite literally. I'm Rebecca Shear, and welcome to Circle Round, where storytime happens all the time. Today, our story is called Friends in High Places. It was inspired by tales told in eastern and southern Africa. Some really great people came together to bring you our folktale, including Denise Crosby and Mario Cantone. Denise Crosby has starred in such television shows as Ray Donovan, Suits and Star the Next Generation. Mario Cantone most recently starred in and just like that, you kids may recognize Mario's voice from the animated film Surfs Up. So circle around, everyone for friends in high Places. In another time long, long ago, there came a summer when the rain ceased to fall. A horrible drought spread across the land, withering the grasses, shriveling the bushes, and drying up the water holes one by one by one. This other time long, long ago was well before people appeared on Earth. Back in those days, it was just the animals. And as the drought dragged on, the animals were getting hungrier and thirstier under the sizzling sun. Among those hungry, thirsty animals were two best friends, Rhinoceros and Giraffe.

[Rebecca Shear]

Okay, giraffe, this is getting ridiculous. The two of us have been wandering the plains all morning looking for something to eat or drink. But we might as well face it. We're either going to starve or dehydrate, if not both.

[Denise Crosby]

I know things aren't looking so good, Rhino, but I say we don't give up. If we keep walking just a little bit longer, who knows what we'll find?

[Rebecca Shear]

Who knows what we'll find? I know what we'll find. Nothing. Zilch. Zero. Look, giraffe. The grass is dead, the bushes are dying. And when's the last time you saw a water hole that actually had cool, drinkable water?

[Mario Cantone]

Ow.

[Denise Crosby]

Let me guess. Another tick bite.

[Rebecca Shear]

Yeah, another tick bite. Those parasites are the only ones around here who aren't starving because they're making a meal out of me.

[Denise Crosby]

You're not the only one, Rhino, with this dense tan and white fur of mine. I get my share of tick bites too.

[Rebecca Shear]

Yeah, but I get it worse. And I don't even have fur. I'll tell you. Ticks, droughts. Could this summer get any worse?

[Denise Crosby]

At least we have each other.

[Rebecca Shear]

Yeah, we do. But listen, Giraffe, I gotta get home. I haven't had a full night's sleep since this drought began. I've been too hungry and thirsty to get any shut eye. So I'm gonna go take a much need.

[Mario Cantone]

Ow.

[Rebecca Shear]

A much needed nap.

[Mario Cantone]

But just as Rhino turned to go.

[Denise Crosby]

Rhino, wait. Look over there.

[Rebecca Shear]

Look over where?

[Denise Crosby]

Over there. Over there. Those trees, they're canopy their topmost branches, they're covered with tender green leaves. Leaves we could eat if only we could reach that high.

[Mario Cantone]

Okay, so I know what you're thinking. Of course Rhino can't reach the top of the tree. His wrinkly body isn't tall enough. But what about Giraffe? Don't giraffes have those long, graceful necks and long spindly legs? Well, remember, our story takes place in another time, long, long ago. And back in that other time, Giraffe did not have a long neck or long legs. Her neck and legs were all short and stumpy.

[Denise Crosby]

Gosh, Rhino, can you imagine being tall enough to just stride on over to those beautiful trees and start gobbling up tender green le after tender green leaf?

[Rebecca Shear]

Oh, that would be amazing, Giraffe. But it'll never happen. Not without working some sort of magic anyway. Aha.

[Denise Crosby]

Let me guess. Another tick bite?

[Rebecca Shear]

No. An idea. Why didn't I think of this earlier? You and I will work some magic.

[Denise Crosby]

Magic? But how?

[Rebecca Shear]

It's simple. We'll go see Hyena.

[Mario Cantone]

Hyena was a wise, crafty creature who in those long ago days, possessed magical powers. So Giraffe and Rhino summoned their strength and set off across the dusty plains to find her. After walking all day, they reached Hyena's den. When they told her how they wished they could be tall enough to reach the tops of the beautiful green trees, the wise creature smiled a knowing smile.

[Unknown Character (Hyena)]

Ah, yes, the acacia trees. Amazing, aren't they? Acacias are very hardy. They can survive even the driest conditions.

[Rebecca Shear]

But can you make us tall enough to reach their leaves? Hyena?

[Denise Crosby]

Is such a thing even possible?

[Unknown Character (Hyena)]

Actually, it is. I just need to collect some special ingredients. Magical herbs that will make whoever eats Them grow nice and tall. Given the drought, the herbs will take a while to track down, however. So how about you come back tomorrow? Be sure to arrive at noon on the dot, when the sun takes its highest seat in the sky.

[Mario Cantone]

So, with hope in their hearts, if not food or water in their bellies, Rhino and Giraffe headed back to their part of the plains.

[Rebecca Shear]

Am I a genius or what? Giraffe, like I said, you and I are gonna work some magic.

[Denise Crosby]

We just have to make sure we get to Hyenas on time. How about I stay with you tonight, then we head back to her den together?

[Rebecca Shear]

Nah, I don't think so. Giraffe. I need to snooze. If you sleep over, we'll stay up all night gabbing and gossiping. You know how it goes. I'll just meet you tomorrow at noon.

[Denise Crosby]

Very well. See you then.

[Mario Cantone]

But the next day, come noon on the dot.

[Unknown Character (Hyena)]

Giraffe. Welcome back. Where's Rhino?

[Denise Crosby]

I don't know, Hyena. I woke before sunrise so I could get here on time. I'm sure Rhino will be here any minute.

[Unknown Character (Hyena)]

But the magical herbs only work when the sun takes its highest seat in the sky.

[Rebecca Shear]

So.

[Unknown Character (Hyena)]

Here. Eat the herbs now.

[Mario Cantone]

So Giraffe gulped the herbs down in one bite. At first, she felt nothing. But then there was a tingling sensation in her neck and her legs.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

Oh.

[Mario Cantone]

And next thing she knew, both her neck and legs were getting longer and longer, and the ground was getting farther and farther away. Before she knew it, her head was way high up in the sky. Look at me.

[Denise Crosby]

I'm so tall, I can see for miles. And there are the acacia trees with plenty of tender green leaves on top. Oh, thank you, Hyena.

[Unknown Character (Hyena)]

You're most welcome, Giraffe. From now on, you will be the tallest animal on earth.

[Mario Cantone]

Without missing a beat, Giraffe took off toward the acacia trees. Her stride was long and graceful and fast. She reached the trees in seconds flat and plunged her head into their green canopy so she could gobble up leaf after leaf.

[Denise Crosby]

These leaves are so tender, so juicy, I can hardly get it.

[Unknown Character (Listener)]

Yes.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe stopped eating and swung her long, graceful neck down toward the ground. And who should she see standing at the foot of the acacia tree, fighting off yet another tick? But, Rhino.

[Denise Crosby]

Let me guess. Another tick bite.

[Rebecca Shear]

Yes, another tick bite. But it wasn't nearly as painful as what you did to me today, eating the magic herbs. Going to see Hyena without me? What happened to, at least we have each other? I thought we were best friends.

[Denise Crosby]

We are best friends. Rhino. And we do have each other, but the magic herbs only work at noon and you said you needed your sleep, so I figured I would.

[Rebecca Shear]

I did need my sleep and I got my sleep. Unfortunately, I got a little too much and slept in and missed Hyena's noon on the dot deadline. And now look at you. You're all tall and lofty and munching acacia trees. And I'm down here in this dry and dusty grass fighting off. Fighting, fighting off ticks and trying to ignore the rumbling in my belly.

[Denise Crosby]

I'm sorry, Rhino. I'll gladly get you some leaves from this tree if you want, but hang on a second. What's that smell?

[Rebecca Shear]

Smell? I don't smell anything. Oh, wow. Yeah, I do. It smells like. Like fire. Like something's burning.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe swung her head back up toward the sky. As she peered toward the horizon, her big soft eyes caught sight of a bushfire sweeping across the plains.

[Denise Crosby]

Oh, no. This sizzling hot sun must have started a fire on the dry, dusty plains. What should we do?

[Rebecca Shear]

Well, I can think of one thing.

[Denise Crosby]

Run.

[Mario Cantone]

Rhinos on the run. But what do you think Giraffe will do next? We'll find out what happens after a quick break. What are Circle Round listeners saying about the Circle Round Club, the newest membership opportunity for super fans like you? Here's a taste.

[Unknown Character (Listener)]

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[Mario Cantone]

Grown ups get your Circle Round super fan signed up [e-mail] CircleRoundClub welcome back to Circle Round. I'm Rebecca Shear. Today our story is called Friends in High Places. Before the break, Giraffe reported to Hyena's Den at noon on the dot and ate magical herbs that made her grow taller. Her best friend, Rhinoceros slept in and missed his chance. Not long after, a bushfire came raging across the dry and dusty plains and Rhino hurried away. Giraffe was about to skedaddle too, when all of a sudden, her keen ears picked up an unexpected sound.

[Denise Crosby]

Birds. Screeching birds. They sound young and helpless and close.

[Mario Cantone]

Other animals were racing past Giraffe, all trying to outrun the approaching flames as the air filled with smoke. But Giraffe didn't stray from the acacia tree.

[Denise Crosby]

I think the sound is coming from this tree. But where? There aren't any birds nesting up here in the canopy. I'll look lower.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe swung her neck down to the tree's Trunk. Toward the top of the trunk, she found a hole. And inside the hole she found a nest full of newly hatched oxpeckers. Oxpeckers are little brown birds with yellow ringed eyes and bright red beaks. They love to eat ticks. And they tend to build their nests not on tree branches, but inside tree holes.

[Denise Crosby]

Look at you tiny little ones, all alone in your nest. Where's your mother? Well, no matter. I'm going to save you. Hang on tight.

[Mario Cantone]

Ever so delicately, Giraffe put the nest in her mouth and took off across the plains. She raced like the wind, her long spindly legs loping faster and faster until she came to a baobab tree. This one far away from the smoke and flames. Luckily, this tree had a hole in its trunk, too. Carefully, Giraffe placed the oxpecker's nest inside the hole.

[Denise Crosby]

There you go, little ones. Now we just need to find your mother.

[Mario Cantone]

And Giraffe was interrupted by a sound that no one in the land had heard for months. A clap of thunder. And just like that, torrents of rain began pouring from the sky, drenching the earth and snuffing out the flames.

[Denise Crosby]

Do you see that, little ones? That is rain. Something you kids have never seen before.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

And something we grown ups haven't seen in a very long time.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe swung her neck around. Soaring through the raindrops was none other than the oxpecker's mother. The brown bird swooped her way onto the nest and immediately began stuffing her baby's wide open beaks with food.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

My darlings, I knew you were hungry, so I went out and gathered these yummy ticks for you. Then the fires broke out and I was so worried. I'm glad I found you.

[Denise Crosby]

I'm glad too.

[Mario Cantone]

Oxpecker turned her yellow ringed eyes toward Giraffe.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

Giraffe, I hardly recognized you, you've grown so tall. But you saved my children. Tell me, how can I repay you?

[Denise Crosby]

Repay me? Oh, that won't be necessary.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

But I insist. Asked for anything, anything at all, and it's yours.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe cocked her head.

[Denise Crosby]

Honestly, I don't know what I could possibly ask for. I've got my brand new magnificent height. I've got all this rain nourishing the earth so the grasses and bushes and water holes will spring to life again. Oh, man, your babies really are going to town on those ticks.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

What can I say? They love eating ticks. All of us Oxbeckers do.

[Denise Crosby]

Clearly. Anyway, as I was saying, I've got everything I need Come to think of it, the only thing that's missing is my best friend, Rhino. He's mad at me. Really mad. And I don't know if we'll ever make up.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

I'm sorry to hear it. I wish there was something I could do to help.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe heaved a sigh as she thought about her funny, sleepy, tick fighting friend. And it was then, as she watched those baby birds guzzle down their ticks, that it came to her.

[Denise Crosby]

Oh, my.

[Mario Cantone]

Suddenly, she knew exactly how the Oxpecker could repay her. And how she could make her best friend happy again.

[Denise Crosby]

Oxpecker, I'll be right back.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe charged across the plains, keeping her eyes peeled for Rhino. And as she approached a waterhole that was rapidly filling up with cool, clear rainwater, she heard a familiar voice.

[Rebecca Shear]

Finally, a real drink. I was so thirsty I could have drunk. Ow. I could have drunk a water bug.

[Denise Crosby]

Let me guess.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe flashed Rhino a smile.

[Denise Crosby]

Another tick bite.

[Mario Cantone]

Rhino craned his neck up. Way up.

[Rebecca Shear]

Giraffe, what do you want?

[Denise Crosby]

To make amends with an old pal? Please come with me. There's someone I want you to meet.

[Mario Cantone]

Giraffe led Rhino to the baobob tree where Oxpecker had finally finished feeding her babies their favorite feast of ticks.

[Denise Crosby]

Oxpecker, this is Rhino. Rhino has a bit of.

[Rebecca Shear]

Not another one.

[Denise Crosby]

A bit of a tick issue. And Rhino, this is Oxpecker. Oxpecker has a bit of a tick appetite. I was thinking the two of you can work something out.

[Mario Cantone]

Rhino looked at Oxpecker, Oxpecker looked at Rhino. Then they both looked at Giraffe, their faces glowing with gratitude.

[Rebecca Shear]

You know, I think we can work something.

[Unknown Character (Listener)]

Hang on.

[Unknown Character (Oxpecker)]

Allow me. Hmm, that was a juicy one.

[Mario Cantone]

After that, Rhino lived blissfully tick free. Oxpecker became his constant companion, riding atop his wrinkly body, picking off ticks and other pesky parasites and gobbling them up. And so it is to this day. Go to the African bush and you'll witness it for yourself. Little brown birds with yellow ringed eyes and bright red beaks riding on top of rhinos. Sometimes the birds ride on giraffes too, as the long necked creatures eat acacia leaves to their heart's content with their heads held high. Now it's your turn. What's one thing you can do to be a good friend? Maybe you can let one of your pals borrow a book or toy. Maybe you can give them a special birthday card. Or perhaps you can just give them a hug when they're feeling sad and blue. Think about what you can do, then go out and do it. You're guaranteed to make your friends day and you'll feel good too. This week's story, Friends in High Places was adapted by me, Rebecca Scheer. It was edited by Circle Round's supervising producer, Anne Marie Sivertson. Our original music and sound designs by Eric Shyamalanis. Our artist is Sabina Hahn. Sabina has drawn a black and white picture for every Circle Round story and you can color them in grown ups. You can print out more than 160 coloring pages on our website, WBUR.org CircleRound Special thanks to this week's Erika Rose, Dawn Ursula, Mario Cantone and Denise Crosby. Denise Crosby has starred in such television shows as Ray Donovan Suits and Star the Next Generation. Mario Cantone most recently starred in and Just like that. And Kids, listen for Mario's voice in the animated film Surf's Up. Our featured instrument this week was the bolophone. You can learn more about this percussion instrument and see a photo of Eric Shyamalonis playing it on our website. Once more, that's WBUR.org CircleRound Love the stories you hear on Circle Round. We'd love you to give us a five star review on your favorite podcast app. And please tell your friends to follow us wherever they get their podcasts. Sweep around to the production of wbur, Boston's NPR News station. I'm Rebecca Scheer. Thanks for circling around with us. Now that you've made it to the end of this Circle Round episode, we want to know what's your favorite Circle Circle Round story? Thousands of fans just like you have been telling us about the Circle Round stories they like best. Take a listen. Maybe one of their favorites is one of yours too.

[Unknown Character (Listener)]

Hi, my name is river and I'm from Canada. My favorite Circle around the polkaart and my favorite part is when the merchant tricks the woodcutter. My name is Veer, I live California and my favorite Circle Round story is the Zodiac 12 and I like the part when dragon blocks the sun and all the animals freeze. My name is Atlas and I'm from Kingsborough. David I have a single story. It's a reading rock. I depart to part in this reading process. Do skip and scrape. My name is Shy, I am from Colorado. My favorite story is the Three Legged Putt. My favorite part is when the three legged P hops to the North Pole. My name is Evely, I live in Clovis, California and my favorite episode is the one in Rhino. My favorite part is when the fish flute falls on the rhino's head. My name is Vera from Asheville, North Carolina. My favorite story is Giant Steps and my favorite part is when the red turtle and the giant face off and tore it in the doe and the red turtle finds his doe to them. My name is Ann Annabelle from Asheville, North Carolina and my favorite circle Round story is the Face Off. My favorite part is when the squirrel says like I said, elephant. We squirrels do have our own special strengths.

[Mario Cantone]

Did someone mention a story you've missed? Not to worry, grown ups. You can find all of our Circle Round stories, plus links to the Circle Round Club, picture books, coloring pages, and oh so much more on our website, WBUR.org CircleRound.