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Episode Overview

Podcast: City Light Church Las Vegas | Jabin Chavez
Host: Jabin Chavez
Episode: Tension of Leadership | Jabin Chavez Leadership Podcast
Date: March 4, 2026

In this episode, Pastor Jabin Chavez dives deep into the concept of “The Tension of Leadership.” Drawing from a previous staff teaching, he explores the types of tensions leaders constantly encounter and reframes these challenges not as problems to solve, but as realities to manage. With a blend of biblical insights, personal anecdotes, and practical advice, Jabin’s talk encourages leaders to embrace tensions as part of growth and healthy organizational life.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Nature of Tension in Leadership

Tension is Normal, Not Negative

• “The goal of leadership is not to remove tensions... great leaders are constantly finding the tension and living in the tension and not getting frustrated by the tension.” (02:30)
• Leadership isn’t about eliminating tensions but learning to manage them.
• Uses the metaphor of tuning a guitar—tension must be adjusted and maintained regularly for optimal performance.

Tensions vs. Problems

• Andy Stanley’s insight: “There’s tensions to manage and problems to solve.” (04:28)
• Many leaders expend unnecessary energy by trying to “fix” tensions that are simply part of leadership and life.

2. Key Tensions Leaders Must Navigate

A. Change (08:48)

• Change is the Only Constant
  • “The only constant in life is change. The only thing that doesn’t change is change.” (09:12)
  • Every change can feel like a criticism of the past, but leaders must learn to not take it personally.
  • “Every change feels like, or can feel like, a criticism to the past. Many changes are a criticism to the past.” (10:08)
  • Jesus’ teaching shows continual improvement: “You’ve heard it said… but now I say…” (Matthew 5) (12:30)
• Best Practices Have a Shelf Life
  • Even the ‘best’ today will need to be replaced in the future.
  • “Over time, even the best is no longer the best.” (14:18)
  • Flexibility is vital: “Blessed are the flexible, they will not break.” (Paraphrase, 14:58)

B. Work (18:50)

• Work as Blessing, Not Burden
  • “When you deny work, you postpone blessing… I will bless the work of your hands… God blesses work.” (19:08)
  • Dismissing work or trying to “hack” hard tasks only delays progress.
  • “I’m not always thinking, ‘What’s the hack?’ There isn’t always a hack to hard work. Sometimes it’s just hard work.” (21:11)
• Guarding Your Attitude
  • “Whatever I complain about, I will despise. And whatever I despise, I’ll lose.” (22:44)
  • Even leaders feel like quitting: “I resign at least twice a year... Be encouraged when you want to quit, because that means you have something to quit.” (23:38, quoting Tommy Barnett)

C. Fun/Relief (26:55)

• Healthy Relief is Necessary
  • Leaders need outlets to relieve tension. This isn’t optional; it’s healthy.
  • “You will find relief—now, will it be healthy relief, or unhealthy relief?” (29:09)
• Sabbath, Hobbies, and Passions
  • Integrate these regularly; they might overlap or be distinct.
  • Personal example: Golf (hobby), cooking (passion), family time—all rejuvenate him (31:34).
• Balance is Required
  • “I’m not a lover of pleasure rather than a lover of God, but I know I need relief, and I need to find it in healthy ways or I’ll find it in unhealthy ways.” (33:50)
  • Relief can become destructive if not managed intentionally.

D. Social Interaction (38:30)

• Connect Both Widely and Deeply
  • There’s tension between being part of groups (church, community) and having close friendships.
  • Jabin admits, “I have awesome friendships, but I’m not connected to groups.” (39:08)
  • Leaders need both group connection and a few “ride or die” friendships for support and accountability.
  • Avoid confusing being “friendly” with real friendship.

E. Consistency (44:17)

• Between Rigidity and Restlessness
  • Some resist all change; others change due to boredom.
  • “Most churches and leaders fall into one of those tensions: ‘I never change’ or ‘I’m always bored.’” (44:28)
• Change with Purpose, Not from Boredom
  • Use discernment—change what needs changing, but avoid impulsive shifts out of anxiety or impatience.
  • Referencing Philippians 4:6: “I’m making my decisions either from anxiety or prayer... from fear or peace... from impatience or patience... from either my flesh or my spirit.” (46:08)
• Consistency Builds Momentum
  • Love the “mundane” and the steady flow of faithful living.
  • “We ought to live a peaceful and quiet life.” (47:40, paraphrasing Paul)

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “You don’t tune a guitar once, right? If you’ll watch, even on Sunday, watch the musicians... after every song—just a little tension.” (02:15)
• “I will bless the work of your hands. I will not bless your hands. I will bless the work of your hands.” (19:08)
• “Blessed are the flexible; they will not break. It’s not in the Bible, but it’s very true.” (14:58)
• “Every change feels like, or can feel like, a criticism to the past.” (10:08)
• “Whatever I complain about, I will despise. And whatever I despise, I’ll lose.” (22:44)
• “I resign at least twice a year... be encouraged when you want to quit because that means you have something to quit.” (23:38)
• “You will find relief—now, will it be healthy relief or unhealthy relief?” (29:09)
• “Who am I friendly with and who are my friends? And don’t confuse that.” (41:55)
• “Our greatest strength is our greatest weakness. What makes you brilliant is what makes you dangerous.” (51:45)

Important Timestamps

• [02:15] Guitar tuning as metaphor for tension
• [04:28] Tension to manage vs. problem to solve (Andy Stanley)
• [09:12] Change as the only constant
• [12:30] Jesus on change—"You’ve heard it said… but now I say"
• [14:58] Flexibility as a virtue: “Blessed are the flexible”
• [19:08] God blesses the work of your hands
• [23:38] On wanting to quit and Tommy Barnett’s advice
• [29:09] Finding healthy relief: Sabbath, hobbies, and passions
• [39:08] Jabin on his tension between groups and friendships
• [44:28] The tension of consistency: “Never change” vs. “Always bored”
• [46:08] Decision-making from prayer, not anxiety
• [51:45] Your strengths can also be your weaknesses

Final Thoughts

Jabin concludes with a reminder that managing tension is a central skill for every leader, and that personal strengths almost always have an associated weakness:
"What makes you brilliant is what makes you dangerous." (51:45)
With humility and humor, he encourages every listener to embrace these tensions as the necessary and fruitful space where growth, creativity, and leadership flourish.

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