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Guest:

Parker J. Palmer is the founder of the Center for Courage and Renewal, a Quaker educator, activist, and author of ten books — including Let Your Life Speak, The Courage to Teach, A Hidden Wholeness, and Healing the Heart of Democracy — which have sold millions of copies and are taught everywhere from university seminars to MBA programs. Named by Teaching Tolerance as one of the nation's most influential voices in education, Parker has advised presidents, spoken at the White House, and shaped movements around leadership and integrity for over five decades — almost entirely without spectacle or self-promotion. At 87, he continues writing and thinking on Substack at Living the Questions with Parker J. Palmer. He is a rare and true elder.

About the Episode:

This is the season one capstone — a little extra treat — of the Civic Courage Lab podcast, and there is no more fitting way to close this first chapter than with Parker J. Palmer. In this episode, I attempt to open-source Parker's prodigious wisdom and experience as an elder and mentor for you. In this wide-ranging conversation, we explore what it means to live without regret, how to hear and trust the inner voice that calls us toward our true work, and why the imperative of the soul — not ambition, not external pressure — is the only reliable compass for a meaningful life in public service. Parker shares the pivotal choices that defined his journey: walking away from a guaranteed academic career at 30 to become a community organizer, spending 11 years living under radical economic equality at Pendle Hill Quaker community, navigating multiple serious depressions and ultimately writing openly about them, and now at nearly 87, harnessing anger toward life-giving ends — connection and democracy. This is a conversation about eldership, wholeness, and what it actually costs — and gives back — to lead from the inside out.

Key Topics Discussed:

[00:01:50] Introducing Parker J. Palmer & the crisis of eldership
[00:10:18] What real mentorship looks like — a two-way dialogue
[00:15:25] The inner voice: first encounter in the 1960s at Berkeley
[00:18:14] Walking away from tenure to become a community organizer
[00:19:28] "I can't not do this" — following the imperatives of the soul
[00:21:20] Choosing risk over future regret
[00:23:32] How to help others listen to their own leadings
[00:24:39] The discipline of honest, open questions
[00:27:01] A Hidden Wholeness and evocative community
[00:29:02] Burning out and arriving at Pendle Hill
[00:30:34] 11 years of radical economic equality — and what it taught
[00:35:52] Circle learning, egalitarian education, and the evoking of inner gifts
[00:38:21] Mental health, burnout, and the definition of wellbeing
[00:40:25] Practices that amplify the inner voice — honesty, trusted community, nature
[00:44:32] Diet, sleep, exercise, and the woods of Minnesota
[00:47:34] The choice to stay at Pendle Hill — and why strategic withdrawal isn't retreat
[00:50:02] On living the imperatives of your soul vs. scuttling your convictions
[00:52:32] "I can't imagine a sadder way to die" — on showing up fully
[00:53:28] Has this path made you less afraid of death?
[00:58:03] Depression as a character in the movie of your life
[01:02:36] The person following you down the street — and what they want
[01:05:59] The hand of an enemy vs. the hand of a friend pressing you to ground
[01:09:40] Wholeness is not perfection — it's "all of the above"
[01:10:59] Why Parker chose to write publicly about his depression
[01:13:15] What Parker most hopes current leaders will experience
[01:16:59] Holding compassion and prophetic challenge at the same time
[01:18:22] Living the Questions Substack — and why Parker started it at 87
[01:19:20] What's an angry old Quaker to do? Harnessing anger toward life-giving ends
[01:21:44] Speaking truth to power — and what democracy needs from us now
[01:23:22] Keeping your heart open to people who've fallen into MAGA
[01:27:02] Final gift: Terry Tempest Williams and the human heart as democracy's first home

Key References and Resources Mentioned:

[00:03:55] Center for Courage and Renewal — founded by Parker; has supported hundreds of thousands of leaders in education, healthcare, public life, and beyond
[00:04:30] Let Your Life Speak by Parker J. Palmer
[00:04:30] The Courage to Teach by Parker J. Palmer
[00:04:30] A Hidden Wholeness by Parker J. Palmer — his guide to the practice of circles, evocative questions, and listening for inner truth
[00:04:30] Healing the Heart of Democracy by Parker J. Palmer
[00:11:38] Jerry Colonna — executive coach, CEO of Reboot.io, mutual friend of Skippy and Parker whose praise first led Skippy to Parker's work
[00:15:25] UC Berkeley — where Parker completed his PhD in sociology in 1969, and where his inner calling first diverged from the academic path
[00:24:39] Quaker Testimonies (SPICES) — the core values of Quaker life: Simplicity, Peace, Integrity, Community, Equality, and Stewardship; the ethical framework underlying Pendle Hill and Parker's approach to leadership
[00:24:39] Clearness Committee / Circles of Trust — the Quaker-rooted practice of gathering a small group to ask honest, open questions that help someone listen more deeply to their own inner truth; described extensively in A Hidden Wholeness
[00:29:02] Pendle Hill — the Quaker study, retreat, and community center near Philadelphia, Pennsylvania where Parker spent 11 transformative years; founded in 1930, open to all seekers
[00:38:21] The Courage Method — Skippy's leadership development framework, referenced throughout the conversation as a parallel to Parker's work; more at civiccouragelab.com
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