Brad Thor returns to the show to discuss his latest thriller, Choke Point, a geopolitical suspense novel that explores one of the most consequential strategic questions of the 21st century: what happens if China gains control over the world's most critical maritime chokepoints.

A #1 New York Times bestselling author and creator of the Scott Harvath series, Thor explains how real-world concerns about China's Belt and Road Initiative, the Strait of Malacca, and gray-zone warfare inspired the novel's plot. He discusses the growing importance of shipping lanes, soft power, and strategic infrastructure in global competition, as well as why he believes the next major geopolitical challenge for the United States will center on China.

The conversation also explores covert conflict, military deception, the lessons of history, and how fiction can help readers better understand emerging threats before they become tomorrow's headlines. Thor reflects on the evolution of Scott Harvath after 25 years, the changing reading habits of modern audiences, and why geopolitical thrillers remain a powerful way to engage with the world around us.

00:00 Introduction to Brad Thor and Choke Point
01:17 China's Belt and Road Strategy Explained
05:25 The Plot Behind Choke Point
07:08 Historical Lessons: D-Day, Deception, and Taiwan
09:02 Why Shipping Lanes Matter More Than Ever
12:29 China, Gray Zone Warfare, and Global Competition
18:08 Why Readers Are Increasingly Focused on China
22:38 Scott Harvath's Evolution After 25 Years
25:50 Wealth, Influence, and Foreign Policy
29:03 Writing with Ward Larsen and Crafting Thrillers
32:17 Social Media, Attention Spans, and the Future of Reading
36:10 Will Scott Harvath Ever Retire?
38:07 Final Thoughts on Choke Point

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