Transcript
Dina Temple-Raston (0:02)
From Recorded Future News and prx, this is Click here. The headline in Foreign affairs magazine was blunt. It read, china is Winning the Cyber War. And the author was none other than Anne Neuberger, Biden's White House cyber czar.
Anne Neuberger (0:28)
The concern I was highlighting in the article is that China's position to take advantage of AI on both offense and defense, and the United States is not positioned to take advantage of AI for defense. And that will continue to advance China's advantage in cyberspace.
Dina Temple-Raston (0:45)
If her voice sounds familiar, it's because we've had her on the show before. Her official title was Deputy National Security Advisor for Cyber and Emerging Technologies, and her piece in Foreign affairs zoomed in on a campaign we've written a lot about, the one launched by Salt Typhoon, a Chinese backed hacking group that burrowed deep into U.S. telecom networks.
Radiolab Host (1:08)
Our government discovered a massive cyber breach and the more we learn about it, the bigger it gets. They've tapped into communications at the highest levels of American government, from staff of congressional leadership to the incoming Trump White House. And that's just the start.
Dina Temple-Raston (1:27)
And here's the thing, Anne says that breach, it wasn't just another headline. It was a canary in the coal mine.
Anne Neuberger (1:35)
China increasingly is compromising parts of U.S. infrastructure. Pipelines, water companies, power grid. Not for Wu Qin espionage, but rather to preposition to potentially disrupt those operations in the event of a crisis or conflict.
Dina Temple-Raston (1:55)
From recorded Future News and prx, this is Click Here's Mic Drop A longer listen to one of our favorite interviews of the week. I'm Dina Temple Rowston. On Tuesday, we told you about visa denials, shrinking research budgets, and how those shifts are accelerating China's progress in science and tech. But there's another front where the US is lagging. Cyber resilience. That's the ability to absorb a cyberattack and recover quickly.
Anne Neuberger (2:25)
Despite a lot of good progress and efforts made on improving the national cybersecurity, there's a big difference between China's model and the US's model.
Dina Temple-Raston (2:34)
The problem isn't just old systems. It's how the whole thing is stitched together.