Early Release Episode: Grammys Fashion 2025

Summary

Climbing in Heels with Rachel Zoe: Early Release Episode - Grammys Fashion 2025

Release Date: February 4, 2025

In this exclusive early release episode of "Climbing in Heels," Rachel Zoe teams up with her producer, Mary Elizabeth, to dissect and celebrate the dazzling fashion showcased at the Grammys 2025. The episode delves deep into the sartorial choices of some of the music industry's most influential women, offering listeners an insider's perspective on red carpet trends, iconic looks, and the evolving landscape of Grammy fashion.

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Setting the Stage: An Honest Take on the Grammys

Rachel Zoe opens the conversation with an admission of her complex relationship with the Grammys red carpet. “[00:29] Rachel Zoe: This is what you do when you have high standards and fancy all the fancy things like a Dior saddle bag or that diamond tennis bracelet...”

Mary Elizabeth swiftly brings honesty to the forefront, addressing the pressure and expectations that come with Grammy appearances. “[02:37] Mary Elizabeth: Music's biggest night, the Grammys. I think we should kick this off by being really honest.”

Rachel echoes these sentiments, revealing her personal struggles and PTSD related to the event. “[03:03] Rachel Zoe: I think it's PTSD. But you typically don't have the most...”

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Queen Bee: Beyoncé’s Triumphant Return

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Beyoncé, who not only graces the stage but also takes home the coveted Album of the Year award. “[03:38] Rachel Zoe: Listen, I am a huge Beyoncé fan...”

Mary Elizabeth highlights Beyoncé's dominance and the significance of her recent win. “[04:49] Rachel Zoe: That's the whole thing right now... she finally won album of the year.”

The duo doesn't shy away from critiquing minor mishaps, such as Beyoncé's slight wardrobe malfunction, demonstrating their commitment to honest commentary. “[05:30] Rachel Zoe: Okay.”

Despite these challenges, Rachel praises Beyoncé's resilience and deserved accolades. “[06:01] Rachel Zoe: This woman has deserved to win album of the year at some point over the course of her career...”

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Kelsea Ballerini: Best Dressed with Class and Elegance

Kelsea Ballerini emerges as Rachel’s top pick for Best Dressed at the Grammys. “[06:34] Rachel Zoe: I have to say I've had the good fortune of meeting her on many occasions...”

The discussion highlights Kelsea’s choice of Tamara Ralph designs, emphasizing the blend of glamour and sophistication. “[07:10] Rachel Zoe: It did all the things that everyone wants to see on a red carpet at the Grammys...”

Rachel and Mary Elizabeth commend the styling, from Chris Appleton’s impeccable hair to the elegant jewelry curated by friends Rob and Muriel. “[07:10] Rachel Zoe: I loved this look... she looks so happy and she's with her cutie boyfriend.”

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Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift: Pop Princesses on the Red Carpet

Moving forward, the conversation shifts to younger talents like Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift. Sabrina's playful yet chic J.W. Anderson ensemble garners affection from Rachel. “[09:05] Rachel Zoe: Yes. She did a performance that was hilariously cute and funny...”

Taylor Swift’s vibrant look and her absence of wins this year spark a nuanced discussion. “[14:32] Rachel Zoe: She's in her eyes, dancing around...”

Despite the lack of awards, Taylor's presence and happiness on the carpet remain noteworthy. “[14:41] Mary Elizabeth: She did not win nothing... but she was having a great time.”

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Olivia Rodrigo and Kacey Musgraves: Emerging Icons with Distinct Styles

Olivia Rodrigo's vintage Gianni Versace dress receives high praise for its flawless construction and timeless appeal. “[16:04] Rachel Zoe: I really loved this look... she looked flawless.”

Kacey Musgraves’ pared-down Ralph Lauren attire aligns with her album's folky and simplistic aesthetic. “[25:31] Rachel Zoe: I did love this collection...”

The episode underscores how both artists use fashion to embody their musical personas, enhancing their presence on the red carpet.

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Charli XCX and Chappell Roan: Bold and Theatrical Statements

Charli XCX and Chappell Roan stand out with their avant-garde fashion choices. Charli’s Jean Paul Gaultier ensemble is lauded for its couture edge, while Chappell Roan’s thematic costumes embody her artistic vision. “[27:45] Rachel Zoe: I listen, I loved Charli XCX...”

Mary Elizabeth admires Chappell’s ability to transform herself, likening her red carpet presence to a personal Met Gala. “[29:51] Mary Elizabeth: She decides the character she wants to become and she, like, goes for it.”

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Lady Gaga: The Eternal Chameleon

Lady Gaga’s performance with Bruno Mars is dissected with both admiration and critique. “[31:04] Rachel Zoe: Okay. Can I just say.”

Rachel expresses a personal preference for Gaga’s more natural look, appreciating her vocal prowess over her extravagant costumes. “[32:12] Rachel Zoe: For me, that took away a little bit...”

Mary Elizabeth and Rachel agree on Gaga’s ability to reinvent herself while maintaining an undeniable presence. “[34:01] Rachel Zoe: It's insane.”

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Sheryl Crow and Cardi B: Timeless Glamour Meets Modern Edge

Sheryl Crow’s effortless style receives high praise, highlighting her timeless beauty and understated glamour. “[35:50] Mary Elizabeth: So the show opened with a bunch of artists that were playing Randy Newman's I Love LA...”

Cardi B’s Roberto Cavalli ensemble is celebrated for its boldness and elegance, cementing her status as a standout personality on the red carpet. “[34:58] Rachel Zoe: Yeah. That looks like archival Roberto Cavalli...”

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Trends and Takeaways: The Step Cut and Beyond

A notable trend discussed is the emergence of the "step cut" hairstyle, characterized by unblended, stepped bangs. “[37:34] Mary Elizabeth: But there's a hair trend going around and I guess it's called the step cut.”

Rachel shares her reservations about the trend, advocating for natural beauty and expressing hope that it gains traction among models at Fashion Week rather than mainstream adoption. “[40:31] Rachel Zoe: I'd prefer that my children don't choose to do it...”

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Final Thoughts: Charity and Celebratory Fashion

The episode concludes with reflections on the Grammys' charitable efforts, particularly their support for wildfire relief. Rachel emphasizes the importance of integrating charity into major events. “[42:24] Rachel Zoe: Thanks so much for joining us for our quick Grammy fashion recap...”

Mary Elizabeth and Rachel agree that the Grammys successfully balanced celebration with philanthropy, setting a positive precedent for future award shows.

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Concluding Remarks

Rachel Zoe wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to stay tuned for more red carpet insights and to follow the show on various platforms. “[42:24] Rachel Zoe: Thank you so much for listening, everyone to Climbing in Heels...”

This episode of "Climbing in Heels" offers a comprehensive and nuanced exploration of Grammy 2025 fashion, blending expert analysis with personal anecdotes. For aspiring fashion enthusiasts and industry insiders alike, Rachel Zoe and Mary Elizabeth provide invaluable perspectives on the intersection of style, personality, and performance on one of music's most glamorous nights.

Transcript

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[Joel]

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[Rachel Zoe]

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[Mary Elizabeth]

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[Mary Elizabeth]

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[Rachel Zoe]

Hi, everyone, I'm Rachel Zo and you're listening to Climbing in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and fun. We are doing a special early release episode this week to talk about all the fashion for music's biggest night, the Grammys. From sleek and sexy to whimsical and over the top, we're breaking down all the looks. Here to help is my producer you all know and love, Mary Elizabeth. So let's jump right in.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Music's biggest night, the Grammys. I think we should kick this off by being really honest.

[Rachel Zoe]

I think we're. That scares me. What do you mean?

[Mary Elizabeth]

Let's be real.

[Rachel Zoe]

You want my opinion?

[Mary Elizabeth]

You're on a real honesty kick lately with the way we've been recording. But I will say the Grammys, typically for you, is not your favorite carpet of the year.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's not. And, you know, listen, I started my career in music, right? Like, I started my career.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I think it's ptsd. But you typically. You typically don't have the most. You don't typically talk a lot about the Grammys red carpet.

[Rachel Zoe]

Year over year.

[Mary Elizabeth]

However, the pop girlies in the music industry have, like, taken over, and it's such a moment for all the females that we would be remiss not to talk about just the sheer girl power happening in the music biz. So to kick things off, I think we should talk about queen bee.

[Rachel Zoe]

Listen, I am a huge Beyonce fan. It's funny because my kids are always like, mom, like, besides Stevie Nicks, like, what? Like, what do you love? Like, what kind of female vocalist? Like, da, da, da. Or like, what kind of female singer? And I'm like, beyonce. And I remember it was like, two years ago, maybe. Yeah, two years ago. Kais goes, mom, which one is Beyonce again? I almost, like, crashed my car.

[Mary Elizabeth]

You were like, how does he not know?

[Rachel Zoe]

Well, I was like, I don't understand that. She's, like, in every part of my being. Her voice just really. Anyway, so this gave me. This look gave me. I mean, in full disclosure, because we're talking honesty. Right. I think the hair was a little blonde, in my opinion here. But again, I think, like, these different rules apply with Beyonce. Like, things that I would maybe say, like, it's not. It's not. Like, that's not what I would have done for a client or whatever. But then, like, she'll get on stage. I'll be like, okay, it works.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She's in custom schiaparelli. It fits her body beautifully.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

The blonde hair is part of, like, the cowboy Carter era. Like, she does do the blonde for the country album.

[Rachel Zoe]

That's the whole thing right now.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She finally won album of the year.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes. Well, I kind of. It feels like it was a month ago that that whole thing happened where Jay got very unthe the Grammys last year. Yeah. Which feels like a month ago.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It does. Time is flying. He basically said she's won the most Grammys of anyone ever and but has not won album of the year. So this year, she took it home. It's amazing. I also want to point out, I don't know if anybody else really noticed this, but Beyonce did have a slight wardrobe malfunction in the get own Is that an areola? So it's not an Ariela. Thank God.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay.

[Mary Elizabeth]

But it looked like the underwire in the dress poked out in the center of her chest. But when she came back on stage.

[Rachel Zoe]

To win, it was fixed.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It was fixed. So there was definitely some sort of tailor in the back stitching that out. But every girl, every female knows that uncomfortable feeling of the underwire of your bra poking through, stabbing you in the boob.

[Rachel Zoe]

And that is actually why I don't wear underwires. Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

So shout out to Beyonce for getting stabbed in the boobs and still winning Grammys. She really can do it all.

[Rachel Zoe]

This woman has deserved to win album of the year at some point over the course of her for sure career.

[Mary Elizabeth]

So she won best country album and album of the year.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And I think, you know, you and I were talking briefly. It feels like that sort of Leonardo DiCaprio moment that the girl needs to.

[Rachel Zoe]

Win this award for.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Sure. Like, best actor finally came when he did the movie the Revenant. Was the Revenant the best one of his whole career? I don't know. That's up for debate. But, like, it definitely felt time that she was given the best album of the year because, my God, she's been around and relevant for a long time now.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay, can I just say, for me, there was a hands down winner of best dressed. Kelsey Ballerini and Kelsea Ballerini. I have to say I've had the good fortune of meeting her on many occasions. She is one of the loveliest, sweetest, kindest women out there in this business. And you know, when you look at her, you're like, oh, she looks like she would be nice. She is so sweet and so talented. I loved this look. I really did. I felt like it was so Grammy appropriate.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It was.

[Rachel Zoe]

It did all the things that everyone wants to see on a red carpet at the Grammys, which is like a gorgeous, like, beaded, some skin showing, but she kept it polished and dare I say, classy. I loved the hair. Chris Appleton did the hair.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Chris Appleton. And she was in Tamara Ralph.

[Rachel Zoe]

And Tamara Ralph, who I have to say, also hands down, one of my absolute favorite designers. I mean, I just recently watched the new couture Tamara Ralph shows. And honestly, each look is more extraordinary than the next. So I expect to see a lot at the Oscars. A lot at the Oscars. But I will say she is becoming more and more known for this, like, really big party on, you know, in the dress and then like this gorgeous cape on, you know, on the outside, and I think you can take it on and off. But I felt. I felt this look was very youthful. It was elegant. I thought the hair and makeup were spot on. The jewelry styled by Rob and Muriel, who are friends, and I love them. And I just. I loved this on her. One of my favorite looks that she's worn. Yeah, I. I really did love it. And she looks so happy. And she's with her cutie boyfriend.

[Mary Elizabeth]

That's what I was going to say. You can tell. I feel like you can tell when people are, like, happy within because she's, like, shining in a different way.

[Rachel Zoe]

And if any of you have teenagers or you're an adult that watches teenage shows, you may know her boyfriend. John B. Chase Stokes. Chase Stokes. Sorry, Chase Stokes. But John, character. John B. Rutledge from Outer Banks.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yes. She looks stunning. And this is the hair I'm always trying to convince you to do.

[Rachel Zoe]

And I have done quite a bit. I just haven't done it in a beat.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I know. Everyone help me convince Rachel to do the side part again. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

[Rachel Zoe]

I need some more confidence.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Another doll of pop music who.

[Rachel Zoe]

Literal doll.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Literal doll. Sabrina Carpenter.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Her album won for best pop album. She did a performance that was hilariously cute and funny. I just am obsessed with her. She doesn't take herself too seriously. She doesn't take anything too seriously.

[Rachel Zoe]

She is giving me that Goldie Hawn, like, 70s Goldie Hawn thing, 100%. Even. Even. Even today Goldie Hawn thing where she just, like, gets up and she's so cute and she's the bangs and the hair.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She's fun and funny, but very well spoken, very smart, obviously very talented. But I just love her approach to fashion and her music is very, like, fun. And she was wearing a beautiful J.W. anderson.

[Rachel Zoe]

I really, I have to say, I really loved this look. I really did love this look. I probably would have liked the hair maybe, like, sleeker and up with this, you know, just kind of. Because the dress is so much. And it's doing the feather thing at the peplum and the base, and I loved it. And then of course, she did my. Can I take credit for that styling? Yeah. The Chopard diamond thrown behind her a la Jennifer Lawrence at the 2013 Oscars or Kate Hudson at the. I don't even know what year SAG awards in her Peter Dundas Pucci gown with. I think it was a Cartier Tiffany something or Fred Leighton. I literally can't remember. I have to look at it dangling down her back. I love a back jewel.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Oh, it's so good. It's so good. And not enough people do it, I feel like. But Chopard diamonds, they wove it through the dress to make the dress a halter style. I think it was. I think the chain alone is like 19 carats worth of diamonds.

[Rachel Zoe]

Oh, forget it. Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And then the diamond on the bottom.

[Rachel Zoe]

Is like 50 characters, like heart of the Ocean.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It's crazy. It's insane. But she just looked young and fresh and playful like she is. And then she changed into a Versace. It was like a. It was almost like a brownish gold.

[Rachel Zoe]

It looks Gianni Versace. It looks vintage.

[Mary Elizabeth]

So good, so pretty on her. When she won her award. So she looked very sleek.

[Rachel Zoe]

Can I say one thing that I've noticed? A lot of these women are getting out of sprinter vans, and I just want to, like, sort of feel a little bad for myself for a moment, if you don't mind. Because one of the biggest challenges of my career was spending hours and hours and days and days in fittings for these gowns and then having to smush my clients into the backseat of, like, an SUV that had literally a half a foot of legroom. And I very clearly remember putting Jennifer Lawrence on the day of the Oscars in 2013 in her driveway and me talking to the driver in advance and being like, if I put all the seats down and I put her in the back and she lay flat until she gets to the theater because.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Do we have a gurney we could lay?

[Rachel Zoe]

No, actually, I would have. I would have absolutely flatbedded, like, put them on a gurney, on a helicopter and landed in at the show to avoid any wrinkle. What happens? I know for an hour long traffic car ride from, you know, when they leave the house, the venue, and it's so sad. And now they have on the carpet floofers, the people that floof trains.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

Have you watched these floofers? Yeah, we did not have floofers.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I feel like some people bring their own team.

[Rachel Zoe]

They do. They do.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Like, I think Sabrina actually had a guy that was helping her. He was picking up the bottom of the dress and moving her, but he had, like, a baby blue silk tie on to go with her dress. So I feel like that is. That is a more prevalent thing. And it's not just people's publicists trying to.

[Rachel Zoe]

No, no, no, no, no. I mean, if I could have jumped in the car every time my client left, I would have done that. We were not allowed. And I'm here to Say that whoever decided that there should be professional floofers on the carpets, fixing people's trains and dresses so they sit properly for photos. I applaud you. I wish you were around when I started. Where have you been? And this idea was brilliant and considerate, and I'm almost wondering if it was like. If it was like a band of stylists coming together to be like, either let us on the carpet or have professionals there to floof trains.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I mean, it is help us help you get the great picture, right?

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

We're a team here.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Okay, Moving on to another pop princess. My fave, T. Swift. Taylor Swift.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay. See, again, I love Taylor Swift. She has a thing like Beyonce. Like, it may not be my all time. Like, she killed it. Listen, she looks great. She looks great. She is obviously in her. I am. What's the word?

[Mary Elizabeth]

Pulling for the Chiefs to win the super bowl, right?

[Rachel Zoe]

Like, I'm gonna wear red. And I mean, listen, her signature is always the lip, right? But, like, obviously the red and the red and the red and the red, that's saying I love him. I did notice her Lorraine Schwartz dangling red tee, which one may say is for Taylor Swift. And one may say it's for Travis. Right?

[Mary Elizabeth]

We will never know.

[Rachel Zoe]

We will never know. But I do secretly wish she was in, like, a big moment, you know? But she's also, I think, feeling her like, I just finished the longest horn music history, and I now just want to have, like, my legs out. I want to, like, walk a carpet and not do a show tonight. And you know.

[Mary Elizabeth]

You know what? And look, hats off. She deserves it. If you watch the Grammys, you also saw Taylor had a great time. She was drinking champagne.

[Rachel Zoe]

She was like, she's in her eyes, dancing around.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah, she was having a great time. So I. I totally agree.

[Rachel Zoe]

Didn't she win a bunch?

[Mary Elizabeth]

She did not win nothing. She actually did not win anything.

[Rachel Zoe]

How many was she nominated for?

[Mary Elizabeth]

I believe she was nominated for six Grammys this year.

[Rachel Zoe]

But didn't she win, like, 80 last year? Yeah, I get confused, like, with. It's the same with actors. Like, you know, how you forget what year their movie was? Because if it was like, if it was, it came out in January and then the Oscars were like, like, wait, when was that?

[Mary Elizabeth]

100%.

[Rachel Zoe]

I feel like she's been on tour for more than half my life.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I mean, the eras tour was like two. Almost two years long. It's just insane. I mean, it's the highest grossing world tour any artist has ever done. So Wear your chief's red sparkly dress. Wear your.

[Rachel Zoe]

She can do no thigh necklace. You do.

[Mary Elizabeth]

You ever seen a thigh necklace in your life?

[Rachel Zoe]

I've seen everything. Have you? Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I've seen, like, the belly chain. The. I've just never seen a piece of jewelry worn this way. I was like, that's cool. Different, new.

[Rachel Zoe]

I wore one at my bat mitzvah under my dress. You did? I did. My really hot boyfriend.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah. Her mind is ready to be in New Orleans at that Super Bowl.

[Rachel Zoe]

I want to, I want to do a few little pops of highlights, and I want to take the bangs, like, a little. I want to, I want to shag them a little bit. The bangs, you know, blend the bang a little. Yeah, like, I'd like to have, like a, Like a, Like a. Whose bangs. Like a Sienna Miller bang. Like, when Sienna Miller had bangs, you know, like the.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah, I get you.

[Rachel Zoe]

But it, but again, it's her signature, so she's the queen. Okay. I loved Olivia Rodrigo.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yes. We had a, we had some, Some red carpet standouts that were in black sexy gowns.

[Rachel Zoe]

I, I, I believe, if I remember correctly, Olivia Rodrigo, that was a Gianni Versace dress. That was a vintage Gianni Versace dress. And, I mean, and you know that. You just know that by how it's cut and how it fits. And I am fortunate to say that I have worked with probably more vintage Versace in my career than, you know, and they are pieces of work. Like, that may look like a simple cutout black dress to you, but I promise you, the way that that gown is constructed, what's happening underneath? My guess is there's a bodysuit underneath so that it holds perfectly. And, you know, she looked flawless. I loved the hair and makeup. She did, like, a very, like, she did, like, a Cindy Crawford 90s superm model vibe here.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Like a supermodel.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right. I'm so into it. So I loved this look. It was sexy and simple.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I'm always shocked that there's not more Versace on the carpet for the grammys. Ever since JLo's epic Versace plunging. That moment that happened in, like, the early 2000s.

[Rachel Zoe]

Well, there typically is. Honestly, there. There typically is a lot of Versace on a Grammy carpet. Like, I think the Grammys does speak, you know, and in the day, there was a ton of Cavalli.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Right?

[Rachel Zoe]

There's a ton of Cavalli, a ton of Versace, a ton of Dolce and Gabbana. I think it's a couple of things. I think there's A lot of new designers out there that are taking over the red carpet in many ways. A lot of new couture designers.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Right.

[Rachel Zoe]

And I'll also say that, like, I think with the skin baring era that we've been in for the last couple of years, you know, I think. I think all bets are off. But to your point, no one does that better than Versace. But I think. I think Versace is going through a lot as a brand right now with different ownerships and things like that. So I. I think there's probably less because I've seen it where there was 10 people in Versace. But I also think that I know from my styling days, we used to try and weigh in on how many people wore one designer.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Right.

[Rachel Zoe]

So if I was putting someone in Valentino or if someone was doing Chanel, you would ask the house to say, like, can we. How many people are you doing? Right.

[Mary Elizabeth]

You don't want, like, a monopoly of.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Because that's not cool.

[Rachel Zoe]

No, no. You don't want to be, like, a number. Oh, she was also in Valentino.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah. That. That gets a little. I'm sure.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Not great.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Miley Cyrus was also in Black cut out.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Leather.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yep. Miley's also in her I'm here era.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I'm obsessed.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah. She's so. I'm so Miley Cyrus obsessed right now.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Do you remember last year she was in Bob Mackie and she just looked amazing and.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah. Killed it.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I just think she. She's just here for the long haul. Miley, by the way, I love her better than ever. Like, literally, she's just cool and consistently, like, awesome. And she's working with St. Laurent a lot, it seems, and I feel like it's just like a match made in heaven.

[Rachel Zoe]

I agree. I was into this look. I really liked it. I thought she looked sleek and chic.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yes.

[Rachel Zoe]

You know, and again, like, I think everyone wants to bare all at Grammys. It has always been that way.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yes.

[Rachel Zoe]

Borderline costume, you know, and it still does. And I think that it is a great form for self expression, the Grammys, because I think there's just different rules that apply to the carpet at the Grammys. Yes. But I also. There was this great piece of hardware on the back of her leather dress that I thought was super chic, but she just looked cool. She gave me that, like, Zoe Kravitz vibe.

[Mary Elizabeth]

100%.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right. Like, which is what Saint Laurent is. You know, it's. It's turned into a very.

[Mary Elizabeth]

They're like the Muses of St. Laurent, correct? I would say.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Speaking of nude, Siriano did, like, a sheer, structured dress for Chrissy Teigen. She looks obviously amazing.

[Rachel Zoe]

The funniest thing about Chrissy Teigen is that she is the funniest thing I know. And so the thing is, because I happen to know her personally, when I look at her on a carpet, and I know what's going through her head right now as she stands there. And I think we all probably saw as she walked in, she was, like, tripping over the thing and she could barely walk. And then John was, like, carrying her, and then she tripped and almost fell. She was basically naked under there, by the way, I think very strategically placed boning. And panels. Yeah, and panels. And, you know, she looks amazing.

[Mary Elizabeth]

What do you think of the hair?

[Rachel Zoe]

I love her hair. I think. I think that with this look, I would only say that she could do what she did or put it in, like, a sleek bun, you know, like a sleek. Just totally back. And she's gorgeous. And you could tell she, like, you know, she's so smiley and she. You could just tell she's just. I'm telling you, if you could be inside her mind, I can only imagine.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Like, hilarious, beautiful woman.

[Rachel Zoe]

She's. I. You know what? I just have so much respect for anyone that just says it.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yep.

[Rachel Zoe]

No matter what they say, I have respect for someone that just says it.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Just no filter. Yeah.

[Grant]

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[Rachel Zoe]

I'm Grant and I'm your new bachelor.

[Matt]

ABC Mondays.

[Rachel Zoe]

Is this real?

[Mary Elizabeth]

Is he real?

[Matt]

The Bachelor is back and the ladies are head over heels.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Tall, handsome, smart. He's perfect.

[Matt]

It's an all new season of romance.

[Rachel Zoe]

I'm 110% ready to fall in love.

[Joel]

My love story is going to happen.

[Matt]

And of course drama.

[Chase Stokes]

These other girls are dating my boyfriend.

[Rachel Zoe]

You act like you don't care. He knows how I feel. I did not know how hard this is going to be.

[Matt]

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[Rachel Zoe]

Okay. Gracie Abrams. So I fell in love with Gracie Abrams. She Performed at this fashion dinner a couple summers ago. Had no idea who she was.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

Literally, she came on the stage. It was at. I want to say it was at a Chanel dinner. And I just remember saying to my friend, I'm obsessed with her. I love her voice. She is going to be so big. I had no idea who she was. And here we are. She looks like an angel, and I think that's her whole thing. I don't know that it's like, Grammy look.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Right.

[Rachel Zoe]

But I think she looks beautiful and chic and elegant and angel.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Like Chanel whimsy.

[Rachel Zoe]

A Chanel angel.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She looks. She looks like herself, too, again. She. She. Her team, whoever it is. It's. It's like looking at this photo, it's like you can hear her music almost like it's so synced into her Persona and how youthful and beautiful and cool. Effortlessly cool she is. Yeah, I love her. I think she's. She's another badass female that I think should be around for a long time.

[Rachel Zoe]

Oh, I think we're gonna see Gracie Abrams forever.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

I love her voice. Like, I love how she speaks. I love what she says. I love what she does. Kacey Musgraves. Musgraves. Why do I feel like I'm saying it wrong? Musgraves. No.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Casey Musgraves. That's right.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I love. I mean, obviously, we love Casey. She's. She's a glamour country girl. Like, you know, she idolizes Dolly Parton. She idolizes that, like, country glamour thing. And this. This look for her is really, like, more pared down. It's a more simplified version of some of the stuff we typically see her in. Again, I think that she, herself, her team, whoever's working with this, the album that she's nominated for, Deeper, well, is more pared down, more folky, more.

[Rachel Zoe]

Which makes sense.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Which plays into this more simplistic look for her. But, I mean, she's wearing Ralph Lauren gorgeous, gorgeous skirt. You loved this collection.

[Rachel Zoe]

I did love this collection. I love Ralph Lauren. I only. I think Ralph Lauren's collections have gotten even better with age and time.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yes.

[Rachel Zoe]

You know, I totally agree.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And she just looked like Casey. Like, threw on a tank top. Threw on a beaded.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Beautiful sequin skirt.

[Rachel Zoe]

And I can tell you that, babe, that skirt probably weighs 200 pounds.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Rachel Zoe]

I'm telling you, I have held those. You need, like, six hangers to hold those skirts.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It's crazy. It's crazy. It gives me anxiety thinking about hanging that.

[Rachel Zoe]

I Think she looks great. I mean, I think the only thing to take into consideration with that is like, you know, when you're styling someone for the red carpet, you also have to remember as they do interviews, the only thing anybody's seeing is like the bust up. You know what I mean? Right. So it's sort of like all of a sudden you're just in this white tank top. So I think sometimes for something like this, if I was styling this look, I would have definitely put like a major moment of jewelry on so that she didn't look as bare.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Right. You know, in that interview shot.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And she was wearing Charlotte Tilbury makeup, which, I mean, obviously she just looks like a bronze goddess.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yep.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Which is their signature. Signature vibe. But, yeah, she looked beautiful. Very, very Casey from Deeper well album, in my opinion. Okay, moving right along to our most costumed ladies of the evening.

[Rachel Zoe]

I listen, I loved Charli xcx. I actually loved that it was Gaultier.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yes.

[Rachel Zoe]

And I actually loved that because, I don't know, it felt like her. Like, it felt cool. It felt cool. I actually love the dress. Like, it. It is very couture of the moment. It is very, you know, it worked for her. Like, it really did in the boots with her hair.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Thousand percent.

[Rachel Zoe]

I really loved this. I think some people didn't, but I did.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Like, Charli XX is like, you know, brat. Her album was like the movement of this.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's literally all anyone talked about this summer.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Exactly. And, like, she is that vibe of like a rave princess. And if I had to draw a dress for somebody that's like rave electronic dance music princess, like, this to me.

[Rachel Zoe]

Is like, spot on for her thousand.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And then amazing Chapel Ron, who won best new artist again, vintage Jean Paul Gautier, obviously, in a themed costume moment, leaning into the impressionist art that's on the gown. And she won. And she was. I mean, she's just such a cool, interesting, smart artist that again, both of these women, Charlie and Chapel Roan, have been in the music industry for a long time, and it's like so awesome that they're getting their flowers now and they're. And they're just themselves like, you know, Chapel Roan is just unapologetically Chapel.

[Rachel Zoe]

I mean, I think she's great. I also listen any. Any woman who holds their own and speaks their mind and wears whatever is not afraid of anything and doesn't give f all what, you know, what anybody thinks, you know, I think holds a very special place for me and can do no wrong. And obviously this is taking it to a whole nother place. But, you know, Godspeed.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Like, Chapel is like. It's like the Met Gala. Every. Every carpet is the Met Gala for her. Like, she picks her own theme.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She decides the character she wants to become and she, like, goes for it.

[Rachel Zoe]

Listen, we have very few and far between of those moments anymore, so bless, you know, I'm here for it. I also want to say on Charli xcx, like, I remember when I saw her perform at the. Either the. No, it was the LACMA gala this year. And I remember everyone was, like, freaking out that she was gonna perform. Everyone. And these were all, like, adults. These were not, like, kids, you know.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And like, industry people that are jaded 100%.

[Rachel Zoe]

And people were, like, freaking out. And I was like, what is this about? I am so unimpressed. And then I got sucked in. I couldn't stop watching her. She was amazing. She was so much fun to watch. Yes.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Energetic, for sure.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah. And I was wearing something so cumbersome to wear that I was, like, dying to get home and get out of it. And then I just stayed, like another hour to watch her because I was like, she's so good.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She's so great.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah. I think these two again gonna be around for a while. Which brings me to one of my favorite pop princesses, Lady Gaga. You actually posted. So she performed with Bruno Mars. Yes, she was nominated with Bruno. That performance, California Dreaming.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay. Can I just say.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah, it was nice.

[Rachel Zoe]

That gave me.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It was like a hug.

[Rachel Zoe]

That was a hug. That was a hug.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

And I love Bruno Mars.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I think the Grammys did a very beautiful job of.

[Rachel Zoe]

I agree.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Of. They were raising money during the show. They highlighted the LA firefighters, which was really nice.

[Rachel Zoe]

I literally watched it four times. It was so good. I'm also such a mama. And the papa's like Stan. I just. The whole thing is so good. And that was amazing. I also loved how she went into that, like, bohemian role right away. And her outfit to perform in was so good. She's Gaga's so good. It's terrifying sometimes how talented she is.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It feels like Chapel Roan. I mean, it feels like these women who can recreate themselves, themselves and become what their music is trying to personify, and they do it. So Gaga was back to her, like, goth Gaga self, which I'm here for. I mean, Gaga used to be, bar none, the most out there in dress. I mean, the music was.

[Rachel Zoe]

I'll be honest. Can I say something about that in full disclosure?

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

For Me, that took away a little bit. Like, I'm actually the biggest Gaga fan when she's just herself. And I know I'm that way about a lot of people. And I understand that music is such a freedom of expression and dressing yourself in that Persona that you want to be in that moment. I have so much respect for that. But sometimes these women, in my opinion, get so buried under the makeup and the stuff that I love that you lose their. You're like, wait, who? You just want to get under what it is. And I think for me, I'm always such a die hard fan of Gaga in her natural state or in her movie star state. I just love that because her voice is like, it transcends you. Like it actually does. And I remember when she first came out and everyone was like, gaga, Gaga. And I was like, ah, she's trying to be like Madonna, because I was so Madonna, right? And then I was like, she won you over. Shit, she's so talented.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I mean, when she performed, I think it was the Grammys with Elton John. I mean, that was just like insane. Like an incredible. But she's back to like goth princess. And Vivienne Westwood, she's in an archival Tiffany necklace.

[Rachel Zoe]

Listen, if you're gonna do this look, you do it with Vivienne Westwood and archival Tiffany. She did it 100% correctly.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And to your point earlier, Gaga has a new album coming out. So I feel like this is her next chapter. This is the next era of the Gaga and she's like giving us the taste like sort of like goth princess vibe. But this Tiffany necklace, stunning. Is insane. So it's from the archives. It's never been seen before. Public gold pearls, black onyx, and that like giant tourmaline. Tourmaline is so cool.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's insane.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It literally looks like.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's insane.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It literally looks like she like cast a spell on somebody and you have to like rub the. Rub the tourmaline to like break spell. It's very whimsical. It's very Gaga.

[Rachel Zoe]

I don't know that I'm over her performance with Bradley Cooper.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah, well, she. Okay, so she did Fire Aid, which recently happened in Los Angeles. Lady Gaga was there and she sang Shallow by herself and it was just like everyone was like on their feet.

[Rachel Zoe]

Crying, just next level.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She's just incredible. And yeah, the new. Her new album.

[Rachel Zoe]

Imagine if you could sing like that.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I would never stop. I would be the most annoying human being on the face of the earth.

[Rachel Zoe]

Because I'd be like, imagine if you open Your mouth. And that came out.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah. I'm gonna sing for you again.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah, that won't happen to me.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It would be. I'd be so annoying. I wanted to shout out two ladies that I thought would be honorable mentions for you, and that is Ms. Cardi B. Yep. Cardi B. Was in Roberto Cavalli.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah. That looks like archival Roberto Cavalli. Unless it's a remake.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I think it's custom. I think it's new, so it might.

[Rachel Zoe]

Be custom based on an art, because I remember this dress in iteration of this, especially with the bottom the way it is.

[Mary Elizabeth]

The feathers, the sequins.

[Rachel Zoe]

All the things.

[Mary Elizabeth]

All of the things.

[Rachel Zoe]

She looks great.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I love the glam.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yep, she looks great. I love her hair. I love this. But you see how beautiful she is.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She's gorgeous. Yeah, she's a gorgeous girl. You know, I just feel like Cardi is just such a standout as a personality. Like, she's so fun and playful and whatever. I just feel like she really brought it and looked very timeless, elegant, poised Grammys. Like, she looks great. The glam's great.

[Rachel Zoe]

I think she looks amazing. Honestly, one of my favorite looks she's ever done. For sure. She looks great. Sheryl Groh. Should we talk about that?

[Mary Elizabeth]

So the show opened with a bunch of artists that were playing Randy Newman's I Love la, And I'm. The camera's moving around, and I'm sort of noticing people, and I'm like, who is that woman playing the bass? I'm like, who is that? She has blonde, shorter hair. I'm like, why can't I figure out who it is? So finally, the camera moves back around, and it's Sheryl Crow.

[Rachel Zoe]

She looks next level.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Looks gorgeous. Better than ever. I mean, she's been in the music business for so long now. She just looks 35.

[Rachel Zoe]

I mean, possible that she's 62.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Like, it's not. I don't know how, but she's just stunning to me. I think that she really, really brought it.

[Rachel Zoe]

Like, I really funny, though, because the cool thing about Sheryl Crow is that. And I worked with her. I used to work with her. I used to style her. I have to say that she honestly, like, the thing about her is that she looks like she just kind of was like, I'm gonna just throw on this Missoni from my closet, put a little makeup on, and go to the Grammy.

[Mary Elizabeth]

She has the Hudson, Cameron Diaz thing.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes. The effortless, like, California girl vibe. You know, I have no idea where she's from, but I know that she looks incredible. She honestly looks incredible. And I love Sheryl Crowe's voice the best. Like, love the best.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I. I just thought she looked so gorgeous. Okay, well, we've talked a lot about some of our favorite looks, but I think we have to talk about something that was a repeated trend.

[Rachel Zoe]

Are you gonna ask me to like it?

[Mary Elizabeth]

I'm not gonna ask you to like it.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay.

[Mary Elizabeth]

But there's a hair trend going around and I guess it's called the step cut. I.

[Rachel Zoe]

You can't.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I don't love it.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay.

[Mary Elizabeth]

We've seen it before. Cher sort of famously did the step cut, which was bangs. And it's sort of, it's sort of like a non blended front piece. It's steps and keeping but one step. It's not like a layer down. It's like, it's like a one step.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's an unblended grown out, bang, ish, kind of. Yeah, yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

So Billie Eilish. We saw Billie Eilish at Fire Aid.

[Rachel Zoe]

My mother had her hair.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Who isn't? She's just.

[Rachel Zoe]

My mother's fully obsessed with Billie Eilish. She listens to her all day.

[Mary Elizabeth]

My mother's 83 and Billy and her brother Phineas performed first at the Grammys last night. And they're just like that like blood harmony thing when like siblings sing. It's like that Beach Boys thing that like, it's so ethereal and awesome. She's Billie Eilish.

[Rachel Zoe]

Can I say something?

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

I want to campaign to say that everyone who airs an award show, like a big one, right? Like a Globes, Oscars, Grammys, Emmys. I think it would be fair if you ran it once at the normal time, like 6:00 or whatever that is. And then for all the parents that couldn't watch it because it's during dinner and bed and homework time, then they do another airing for the parents.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yes. I gotta teach you how to record on your.

[Rachel Zoe]

Or in modern day society. You can just watch it.

[Mary Elizabeth]

You could just record it. No, I get what you mean though. I get what you mean. You know what I watch.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's not fair because I want to watch it live and I can't.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And the greatest part about the Grammys is it is like one concert almost. Of course they're giving out awards in between. Trevor.

[Rachel Zoe]

Trevor.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Noah was the host and he's great, right? He does his monologue, he does some crowd work, but it is like a big concert.

[Rachel Zoe]

It is. It's a concert.

[Mary Elizabeth]

And so I wish that there was like a version of them just cutting together all the musical acts and then putting that somewhere.

[Rachel Zoe]

I agree. I agree. I think that would be super helpful for all of us.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It would be very helpful. Yeah. But, yeah, I feel like this.

[Rachel Zoe]

I'm asking for a friend.

[Mary Elizabeth]

The step haircuts here. Gaga, Miley and Billie.

[Rachel Zoe]

Like I said, I think in the world of entertainment, I think that this. Look, there's this big controversy about all things. Okay. Because at the end of the day, I think I firmly believe that the days of cutting anyone down and insulting anyone's hair, makeup, clothing, body types, anything, whatever it is, I'm all for not doing any of that, because I do believe there is no winning and there is no purpose. Sure, we all make fun of ourselves, but at the same time, I think I'm comfortable to say that this is not, for me, the step cut. I would not ever wear it myself.

[Mary Elizabeth]

No.

[Rachel Zoe]

I'd prefer that my children don't choose to do it. However, you know, this is what they're feeling. And I think, especially in the world of music, they are constantly birthing new identities, and I think this is one of them, you know? And I just. To me, it's pretty aggressive. It's just harsh. And I just like to. It's weird. I weirdly just like a natural beauty. And I like sometimes when people who are constantly on stage and constantly in costumes and constantly, like, changing their makeup and shaving their eyebrows and stuff, sometimes I just am like, wow, they're so beautiful. Like, you know, I remember the first time I saw Gwen Stefani without red lips and I almost died. I was like, she is stunning. Not that she's not always stunning, but it was, like, amazing. Same with Kim Kardashian. Like, I think sometimes when we're so used to seeing people with so much, sometimes that paired down is, like, so beautiful and equally as shocking. 100%. Like, if Gaga came in with, like, nothing.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

Except a soft blow dry.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

I mean. Yeah, you're right. Gaga came in as, like, with a 90s, like, soft blow dry and, like a. Like a Chloe dress or something like that. Like, that would be really shocking. That would be as shocking as, like, the goth step cut that we are.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Seeing from the Grammys.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Do you think we're gonna see the step cut at Fashion Week?

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes, I do.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Okay.

[Rachel Zoe]

I think we'll probably see it on some models because it is a little.

[Mary Elizabeth]

It's like. It's, like, edgy, punky.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Vibe.

[Rachel Zoe]

So I think.

[Mary Elizabeth]

I think we're gonna see some models 100 Yep.

[Rachel Zoe]

Grammys 2025 has concluded.

[Mary Elizabeth]

Concluded.

[Rachel Zoe]

Thanks so much for joining us for our quick Grammy fashion recap. Awards season is in full swing, so we're excited to do more of these red carpet recaps for all of you. I also want to point out that I think, you know, there wasn't a whole lot. It was very hard, I think, for people to figure out what to do this awards season because it feels so wrong to do anything that's celebratory. But I think the way that the Grammys really paid tribute and raised funds for the wildfires felt so good it made me think that it should always be that way, you know, for different because there's always another a charity element. There's just always something disastrous that happens in this country. You're not wrong that I think we should do that more often. Thank you so much for listening, everyone to Climbing in Heels. If you haven't already, please subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the Iheart app, or wherever you get your podcast. Don't miss a single episode this season. Be sure to follow me on Instagram @rachelzo and the show @climbingheelspod for the latest episodes and updates. I will talk to you soon. More.

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