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Gabby Bernstein
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Ryan Seacrest
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Gabby Bernstein
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Ryan Seacrest
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Rachel Zoe
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Gabby Bernstein
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Rachel Zoe
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Hi, everyone. I'm Rachel Zo, and you're listening to Climbing in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration, and, of course, fun. I've been waiting to speak with our guest today for so long because I have such huge admiration for her and the beyond incredible work that she does to help so many people. The wonderful, and I'm going to say prolific author, spiritual teacher, motivational speaker, podcast host, and more. Gabby Bernstein is on the show today. I'm sure you've heard of her. Gabby's about to release her 10th. Yes, 10th book titled Self Help, on December 31st. And today she's giving a real look into the very intense past that shaped and created the woman she is and the massively successful business that she has built. This episode is so, so packed with motivational takeaways and positivity and healing techniques, and I hope you love it as much as I do because none of us are perfect. There's so much to get into, so let's jump right in. You have had such an extraordinary journey, and sometimes I touch just a minute on the journey, on the beginning. But your beginning is so important. It's so paramount to, like, who you are and how you chose your journey and what you wanted to be. So I want to go back and I want to talk about, like, where you grew up, how you grew up, because I think it, it matters so much here.
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Gabby Bernstein
So you've been Westchester, and I grew up really spiritual, so similar to you, Rachel. I'm not religious. I was brought up Jewish, but I'm not really religious. But I was brought up in a home where spirituality was very natural, was conversation. My mother visited ashrams and my mother would meditate. And I, I also was very drawn to the, the spirituality of Judaism. So, so I was very active in the youth group and I would lead these weekends of spiritual leadership. And I was the president of the regional youth group. And which is amazing, by the way.
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Rachel Zoe
Because I feel like then, because this was some time ago. I mean, you're only, what, 20? But it was a minute ago.
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Gabby Bernstein
It was a minute ago. Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
This was not like, we live in LA now and people do these types of things or if they were doing those things, it was like, oh, you're a hippie from Woodstock. And like, like ashrams and like, it wasn't something that was, I think, taken very seriously by, by most people.
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Gabby Bernstein
Totally. And it was actually something I was kind of ashamed of. I was like, sort of my Mom's a weird hippie.
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Rachel Zoe
Right, right, right.
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Gabby Bernstein
Why am I being named by the gurus? And, you know, when other kids were having just normal life experiences. Right. So, but. But it. But that spiritual seed was planted because we learn by experience, and we learn from what we pick up around us. And so seeing my mother go into a room totally stressed out, and then smelling the incense and listening to the chats coming out of the room, and then seeing her come out in a different energy was. Was. Was what I knew. I was really drawn to that. And so as a young teenager, I was struggling with depression and anxiety, and I asked my mom to teach me how to meditate. And very quickly, I was not only drawn to the practice, but experienced my own spiritual connection. And I experienced the physical sensations of. Of. Of being connected to spirit. And so, you know, I know you. You are familiar with a lot of mediums, and. And at the time, I didn't realize that, but that was my own mediumship. It was my ability to connect to the spiritual realm. So I'd feel it through my extremities, or I'd feel like just a calmness come over me, and I wouldn't feel alone. I felt like there was spiritual presence around me, and that was very, very soothing to me. And it really carried me in some of my darkest moments in my life. And truly, I just kind of turned my back on that spiritual connection. In my late twenties and in my early twenties. Excuse me, into college and into my early twenties, I just started looking for that outside of myself and. And becoming quite addicted to the outside world's perception of me and the. Addicted to relationships, addicted to being seen, addicted to feeling good enough, and then also that addiction of work addiction and trying to prove myself to the world. And this is all in my early 20s. 20, 21, 22.
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Rachel Zoe
So you already graduated. You were already out of college at that point.
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Gabby Bernstein
When I was out of college, I went right hard hardcore into let me prove myself to the world. Let me feel seen. Because so much of my inner experience was feelings of inadequacy and feelings of. Of not being good enough, feelings of being unsafe, needing to feel in control, to feel safe and to feel good enough and to feel safe in the world, of course.
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Rachel Zoe
And.
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Gabby Bernstein
And my first job out of school was. I've never had. I've never had a job, actually.
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Rachel Zoe
I've always had one.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah, Like, I think I interned for somebody. Yeah, joke. So the. The career started right away. Right out of college. I had been promoting parties. Right, right. Very familiar to early Days like going to the nightclubs and say, gabby at the door. And, and, and I learned really young.
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Rachel Zoe
Hold on, hold on. I want to rewind for one second. I want to, I want to ask a question. So first of all, you haven't mentioned your dad. Was it just you and your mom? Were you raised by a single mom?
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Gabby Bernstein
Or you just different parents were divorced.
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Rachel Zoe
So I went, okay, because that's important. Because a very common thread on climbing in heels since I started it is. A lot of these incredibly successful, powerful women come from a single mother.
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Gabby Bernstein
I might as well have. Yeah. So.
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Rachel Zoe
Well, it's interesting though, because. But also as girls, I mean, I think very often we look at our moms, especially in adolescent years, and go, bitch, you're crazy. Like, I am not listening to you. I'm like, I'm doing the opposite. What are you doing? You're so wrong. Like, da, da. So first I want to really touch on the fact that you didn't do that, right, because you were having, like, anxiety and depression and all these things, which is so important to actually recognize, because in those days, I don't think that teens recognize that. It was always. They're like, what's wrong with me? I'm so fucked up. Or this is part of adolescence. And, like, I hate everyone and everyone thinks I'm ugly and everyone thinks I'm fat, and no boys like me and girls are mean and like, all the things we go through right, for approval. Because adolescence is so brutal. And this is obviously before social media, but what's very interesting to me, having been a teen girl with, like, a degenerate boyfriend and the whole thing, like, I'm, I'm, I'm fascinated by the fact that you touched on your spirituality and went with it and like, followed what your mom was doing instead of being like, you weirdo, what are you doing? This shit doesn't work.
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Gabby Bernstein
I think it was really out of desperation, right? I didn't, I didn't have any other way out. I was so, you know, and I, I, I was brought up homeopathic, so, like, going to a psychology, I figured that it was like more like, what's the remedy? You know?
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Rachel Zoe
Interesting.
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Gabby Bernstein
It was, it was, it wasn't, it wasn't like they were gonna, you know, sort of give me like, ADHD psych or anything, right? It was more just like you were.
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Rachel Zoe
Not getting focal in, in those days or Adderall or whatever.
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Gabby Bernstein
And I was, and I was gifted this meditation practice. But at the time, it was, it was only a little bit that could give me that, that same safety inside. And truly I didn't feel safe. I didn't feel safe inside. And I didn't know why for so many years. And actually so much of it was revealed to me in my later life. But I did experience trauma as a child. I didn't know. I dissociated from it. And so with that I was very hyper vigilant. I was really afraid. And so that people who have adverse childhood experiences do often wind up with addiction. And that was the case for me. So by the time I was in my early 20s and running night, you know, I was running a PR company that represented nightclubs.
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Rachel Zoe
Right, of course.
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Gabby Bernstein
Okay.
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Rachel Zoe
As, as one would. Which is perhaps the most dangerous job for like a young girl in Manhattan. The most like beautiful, like working the door and got like. I mean it's. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a slippery.
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Gabby Bernstein
Honestly, like the amount of shit that I did, I don't even know how I'm alive. And so. But I think I'm alive because I hit bottom fast. Rachel.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. And you were young.
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Gabby Bernstein
By the time I was 25, I was just with this severe cocaine addiction, daily habit. And I was still like the salesperson of my company at a business partner. I was like, I was still the one bringing all the business so I could show up at noon. I could, I ran my own business. There was no consequences. But I had enough spiritual awareness. I had this stack of self help books that were next to my bed in my studio apartment. And I would have these after hours parties with like drug dealers, just random folks. And I'd be sitting in my apartment and I'd be looking at those self help books and I would say to them, I'm going to be a self help book author and a motivational speaker. These people will be like, shut the up.
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Rachel Zoe
Like, you okay? You're about to die.
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Gabby Bernstein
Like, what are you talking, what are you talking about? But I knew, I always knew, I had that spiritual faith inside. I leaned on these books. I would read them as I was coming down at night. I would journal feverishly in my journal. And I remember being one, one day, really the days before I got clean and sober. I remember being in my car across the street from my apartment doing alternate side of the street parking on 13th Street Village.
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Rachel Zoe
No.
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Gabby Bernstein
Wow. Beat up white Toyota Corolla, like chugging a Gatorade. And I was listening to this cassette tape and it was just playing over and over and over. I would just go, rewant. I was like. Because that tape.
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Rachel Zoe
I mean, cassette tape, obviously, you write by the Waverly, by the way.
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Gabby Bernstein
Exactly.
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Rachel Zoe
And Moomba.
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Gabby Bernstein
Exactly. So I would hit, rewind and play and rewind and play and rewind and play. And I just kept hitting it again and again and again because I wanted to keep listening to this words. And what I was listening to was this psychic reading that I had had six months prior. And the psychic's words were so clear. And she kept saying to me, you're. You're addicted. You're having addiction problems. And I was like, it's not that bad. And then she went on to say, you have two choices in this lifetime. You can choose to stay on the path that you're on, and it will be very destructive, or you can choose to get clean and make a major impact on the world. And I just kept repeating this. Rewind, play, rewind, play. Listening to the cassette tape. And. And I got out of my car and I. I went back to my apartment, and I started to fall asleep. That. That morning was, like, noon. At this point. I was just scribbling in my book, you know, get. Get clean and live a life beyond your wildest dreams. And. And it was days later that I made that commitment to get clean and sober. And. October 2, 2005. So it was 19 years ago.
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Rachel Zoe
Wow.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah. And for you, that was the turning point of my life and the turning point of my career, because obviously, this is my new life. I'm not going to be able to do what I was doing.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Gabby Bernstein
Very quickly dove into becoming a spiritual teacher. I mean, like, if you had been in New York at that time.
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Rachel Zoe
I was. I was. It was the best, by the way. It was the best.
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Gabby Bernstein
It was fun. I wish you guys had been in my early lectures. Like, it was. It was. It was so cool. It was just like all these girls, like, dressed to the nines that otherwise would have been in the club, but now it's Friday night, and they're, like, in a church listening to me talk about spirituality.
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Rachel Zoe
And by the way, I will say this, Gabby, to the. To that end, that I knew many people that I was very close to at that same exact time that you were going through this that were also going through it and didn't get clean. And it ended very differently. And, you know, and it ended very differently. And even one of them I saw recently is in rehab for, like, I don't know, 20th time now.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
Like, wild.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
So, I mean, there's a lot of power in that. And I think. I think using that moment to Put forth what you've put forth and helped and saved so many people. So like, so you had that moment, you had this epiphany, you had this awakening. Now, did you go through, like drug addiction treatment or were you just like, I'm done.
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Gabby Bernstein
I got sober in 12 step program. I got myself clean and sober. I walked my ass over to the famous. The famous meeting in the West Village. I asked out humble.
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Rachel Zoe
I knew so many people at that.
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Gabby Bernstein
Meeting, 7:30am every morning. And I did that for six years in a row. And the thing that was so cool about that time, and I have such fond memories of that time, Rachel, was. I was young in sobriety in New York City in the early 2000s.
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Rachel Zoe
And it was hard.
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Gabby Bernstein
You know what, though? It was so fun. It was so fun for me because there was other people because they were young. It was all the people you partied with. Yeah, of course, you know, there's a guy used to blow lines with and.
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Rachel Zoe
They'Re like meeting, there's that fashion editor.
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Gabby Bernstein
That famous fashion designer, everybody there. And then. And, and. But there was this youthful there. There is in New York City, still a young contingency of sobriety that's in LA as well. That's so awesome. Because when you find your way into that, it's actually like this extraordinary community that you get wrapped with. It wraps around you. And my friends who have stayed sober with me throughout the two decades now, we. One, they're extraordinarily successful in their own fields, and two, they're just. They're just. There's this just sort of like childlike essence. There's because there's so much recovery and we have such fond memories of those times.
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Rachel Zoe
And also, I think I would argue to say that addiction is something that. Well, first of all, you know, it doesn't discriminate, right? Like, it really doesn't discriminate. I think we know that. And I think when you're surrounded by people that are just like you, it's not like, no, wait, that happens to them. It's like, no, that happened to me and it happened to this person that is really a lot like me. And I think when you have that epiphany, it makes you. It makes, I think that journey a little bit. I don't want to say easier, but I think you're friends, right?
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Gabby Bernstein
Like fellowship, you know, you'll have 12 step addicts. Talk about the fellowship is what saves them. Because, you know, when you're early in sobriety, you may not know what a higher power is. To you might not resonate, but you have the community, and the community can. Can save you. And in my case, it did. And. And then it made me really inspired to create community outside of those rooms where people may not have the privilege of finding their way into those rooms.
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Rachel Zoe
Sure.
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Gabby Bernstein
And so that's where my. My spiritual community. Getting on stages and just giving talks with. With, you know, setting up the chairs in my heels. Talk about being in my heels. Setting. I was, like, renting a room in the Gay Lesbian transgender center on 13th street and, like, legit, like. Like opening up, like, chairs by myself with or with my volunteers. These.
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Rachel Zoe
These, like, metal folding chairs. Those, like, ones with that, like, pretend cushion lining on it has got big.
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Gabby Bernstein
Rachel, like, 300 chairs, right? So I'd be, like, opening up these chairs at this little chinky platform and the crappiest sound system. And people were coming, and I saw videos from those days. I'll send you a clip of a video. You could mix it in here. God, it was so funny, you know, and the outfits were just totally fucked. But, like, I needed you, honey, you're.
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Rachel Zoe
You're doing fine. Like, you're doing great. But here's the thing. So I've often said, and I. I don't know if it's a good thing to say. I say it as a joke, but I kind of mean it also. But anxiety, for me, it's kind of served a bit as my superpower, a bit as my fire, a bit as, like, my a. I don't. I don't know that I've ever looked at it as a negative thing. I'm sure it is in some ways, but I also feel like it has served me because I'm aware of it and because I've always had it. Right? Like, I'm prone to it as a kid, and I'm always to your point, like, what do people think? I want to do the best. I want to be the best. I can't let this person down. And I think even going into your career, especially as an entrepreneur, as you said earlier, like, I've worked for myself. I had one job my whole career, and I have worked for myself since I was 25 years old. And while terrifying and that feeling of, like, there is no fallback, right, because there's no one who can. If I don't show up, we're fucked. Right? There's no one. I don't have a partner. I don't have a. Like, there is no two of me. So, like, if I have 104 fever, I'm still going to set right? And so whatever that was and the money I was making, there was no margin for error. And I think with you, it's like, you have built this career to help and save so many people who have experienced a range of hundreds to thousands of different issues, Right? But I do think at the core, it comes from this spirituality and this belief that you can heal, right? You can heal in your mind and your body and all of these things. So tell me about the sort of core of you and sort of, like, what makes Gabby Bernstein. Gabby Bernstein? Because, like, when you sit. Because there's a million, like, people that want to be life coaches. They're like, I don't know what to be with my life now. Oh, you know what? I help people or I can talk to people. I can. I'm a life coach now. It's like when people would say to me about styling. I love clothes. I'm going to be a stylist, bitch. Do you like to work your fucking ass off and, like, miss everything that matters in your life? Like, you know, like, let me. So I want to talk to you about that because nine now, soon to be 10 books and a million talks later in front of thousands of people. And, like, you have set the bar now, Right? So tell me about how you became Gabby Bernstein, this, like, nice Jewish girl from Westchester.
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Gabby Bernstein
I think that. That the. The becoming is actually the undoing, right? Because as I. As I grew in my career, I was growing inside, right?
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Rachel Zoe
And you're healing yourself along the way.
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Gabby Bernstein
100. I mean, I've written 10 books in 14 years. I've written every single one of those books for myself. First, every talk I've given, I've given for myself. Everything I've done, I have done to heal my own core belief systems and to reshape my patterns and unburden myself from beliefs and extreme behaviors that have been protecting me for so many years. And to release those forms of protection and feel safe inside of myself and trust myself. And so the commitment to my inner work and the commitment to my spiritual faith, but particularly the personal development work, the therapeutic work that I have courageously gone through and continue to do daily, is how I have become me. Right? Because truly, the essence of the truth, if we are our highest self, is always there. And in my new book, Self Help, actually I.
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Rachel Zoe
Which is so funny that you named it that.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
Was that a. That was a little tongue in cheek.
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Gabby Bernstein
I feel like it is because. Because what it's about is accessing your highest self as Your internal parent to heal all those younger parts of yourself that have been so burdened for so long. And so in this instance, that, that self, that self energy, maybe you would consider it like flow energy or maybe you consider it like the Buddha nature or the God within you or your confidence and your courage. And like Rachel, when you're on set and you're just in the flow and you're just in that place where you're just like time is just gone and you're just expanding moments. That self, right when you're with your boys and you're just in like that child like wonder and just having fun. That self when you're in your energy of connection and compassion and courage and curiosity. That self. And we all have self. And in, in the book I talk about how self is like the sun behind the clouds. And when the clouds, the self is always there, but the clouds are in the way. And as the clouds begin to lift through the personal development, through the connection inside, that true self emerges like the sun and we feel are most authentic.
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Rachel Zoe
What do you do when the clouds are covering too thick?
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Gabby Bernstein
I would pick up the book self help. This is.
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Rachel Zoe
I know I'm picking up the book self help, that's for damn sure.
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Gabby Bernstein
I'll tell you exactly what you do. It's a four step practice in the book and we can do it right now. I mean, I think that that's the simplicity of it. This book is based on a therapy that changed my life. And then I took that therapy. It's called IFS Internal Family Systems Therapy. And I made it a self help tool because it changed my life so much that I wanted people outside of the therapist's office to get it. So I made it a tool. And, and really the clouds, what do those clouds represent? Those clouds represent the beliefs and the patterns and the extreme behaviors that we feel stuck in. Right. So you familiar with that? Everybody listening? Familiar.
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Rachel Zoe
Everyone.
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Gabby Bernstein
And we can check in with it. Right. So typically when we have those beliefs and those patterns that are so strong and so ingrained in us, like people pleasing or overworking or addiction or you know, running too much.
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Rachel Zoe
Empathy. Empathy to a dumb detriment.
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Gabby Bernstein
Overriding ourselves. Exactly. Codependency. For me, there's a controlling part that's really run my life for very long. I know any entrepreneur, any woman that you have on this show is gonna be like, I got a controller.
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Rachel Zoe
I know perfectionism, control. I mean there's definitely 10, a list of 10 that we could all pretty much check.
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Gabby Bernstein
I think so many. And There's. So these parts of us are actually, if you ask those parts of yourself, like the controlling part of yourself or the part of you that maybe is the perfectionist. Rachel, you asked, how long have you been around? What would those parts of you say?
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Rachel Zoe
I mean, since I was born. I mean, I can't ever. I don't know when. When. Not when.
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Gabby Bernstein
It hasn't been there. We don't.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, course.
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Gabby Bernstein
So if the. The work in this book is about witnessing those. Those parts of us that are so extreme that we often can shame and blame and seeing them actually as protection mechanisms, like coping mechanisms.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, of course.
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Gabby Bernstein
Right, okay. So you can.
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Rachel Zoe
It's like, okay, I'm not going to get hurt because I can do this. Or like, that person can't do that to me because I'm going to use this power that I have.
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Gabby Bernstein
Like, that's exactly right. And so if we've got these protection mechanisms on high alert all the time, the next question is, who are these protection mechanisms? We'll call them protector parts. Who are they protecting? Right. And so it's the young little girl that feels like someone's going to take advantage of her. The little girl, in my case, little girl who experienced trauma, who doesn't feel safe, lived in chaos and was just like, I need to control everything in order to not feel like I'm going to die. And so we live our lives, and those are exiled little, little parts of ourselves that experienced trauma or attachment, brief breach, or feelings of inadequacy or being unlovable or not.
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Rachel Zoe
And how much you block those. I think as women, we block them so we can move forward. Right.
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Gabby Bernstein
We live in these protector parts, these coping mechanisms, to never have to feel those exiled feelings again. So what happens? We live from trigger to trigger. Right. So somebody doesn't do the thing we want, and then we're like, super fucking activated and we're in this new part or, you know, we're being a perfectionist because things don't feel like they're in control or whatever, however we act out. And so as leaders, as entrepreneurs, as women, these parts can really take over. And sometimes we can be so blended with them that we can walk away and be like, I don't know what came over me, particularly with our romantic partners. Right? So, like, like, don't talk about, you know, extreme parts triggering each other. Okay. So this book is all about helping the coping mechanisms, helping the protector parts feel more settled. Okay. And so I'm gonna take you through it because I think you're ready for this. All right, so you're tracking with me. You don't have to do it with you in real time, but your listener can do it.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, no, I mean, I. I listen, I think. I think to some extent. I don't even think to some extent, we all need this. And I do want to say one thing before, and I want to see if you agree with me. I was at. I was at this event, Lachma, and a really dear friend of mine, a very successful power couple, wife, total badass husband. Badass. And a sweetheart. And I. He was telling me how all the guys in his life are, like, breaking down, right? So he's about 46, 47. He's like, all my friends are just breaking down. He said, and I don't know why. And he said, it's a midlife crisis. It's whatever. He goes, but I feel like that doesn't happen to you guys, like, meaning women. And I said, I'm going to tell you something interesting. And I didn't think about it when I said it, and he said, that was brilliant. I never thought of it that way. And you are probably right. And what I said was, here's the thing. I think women aren't to some extent, always in a midlife crisis, right? Like, I think to some extent, we come into this world for the most part, obviously, generally speaking, we are insecure and feel not enough and feel put these things up and, like, no one's going to love us. No one's going to this. No one's.
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Gabby Bernstein
We have to be the best at this.
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Rachel Zoe
We have to prove ourselves. Our egos are this or that. All the things, right? The insecurities. And I'm like, Whereas dudes are like, I got this. Like, I'm good. I'm driven by ego. And I'm like, we've been in this our whole life. This is how we function. It is only now that society is letting us not feel that way, right? Like, it's cool to feel fucking strong and good about yourself as a woman. Whereas before it was like, that bitch is difficult, right? Like, she. She speaks too loud. She speaks too much. Or she's like, she's too opinionated. Whereas guys now in their. In their mid-40s to 50s, they're like, oh, my God, I'm not successful enough. Oh, my God, I'm not like, whatever. And I'm like, yeah, we've. We've dealt with that our whole lives. We're just coming out of that, right?
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Gabby Bernstein
Add hormones to all of that, okay? Add, you know, puberty and add. But then add part of. And then, you know. And then add fucking menopause to that. Yeah, yourself, man.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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Gabby Bernstein
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Gabby Bernstein
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Rachel Zoe
Are a lot of the people that you speak to and work with young. Because I believe that some of the work that you do is the most important for adolescents. Because I think that. I think that your journey as an adult is so impacted by those years.
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Gabby Bernstein
You know. Most important student is my son Oliver, who's six. He is my absolute most valuable student and he is my most important.
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Rachel Zoe
That I understand.
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Gabby Bernstein
Not just because he's mine, but because he's so malleable. Right.
- [32:47]
Rachel Zoe
Of course.
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Gabby Bernstein
That when I see Ollie get flooded with. Because he, he actually can't stand to be wrong. Right. So the second he gets a number wrong or a letter wrong, he loses his shit and hoax storm off. And so instead of saying to him, you're fine, you're fine. Or you know, you did just fine or you're gonna be fine or get over it or move on. It'll be whatever, like let it go, it's not a big deal. Instead of overriding his experience, I'll follow the steps, right? First I'll choose to check in. I have to give him the choice to check in. You know, if you go to your boys when they're activated and you're like, talk about it, they'll be like, no, I'm not ready. You know, the hand. And so I'll have to wait a little bit. And so sometimes I'll go to his room and he'll rustle around and once I see things moving around in his room, I can go in and knock and be like, would you like to check in? So when I get buy in from.
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Rachel Zoe
Him, I know, and he's only 6. I want to just remind everyone because this is so important. I really do this.
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Gabby Bernstein
A two year old. You can do with a two year old.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, but I feel what you're saying and I think it's so important for parents to hear this. This is not stuff that happens when you graduate college and go on your own. This is stuff that is from day one.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yes. No. We can help our little people. That's how we save the world. Because 100, all the drama in our world is just people's activated parts being activated and activated and activated.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Gabby Bernstein
That's what we're living in right now. So by helping Ali have that inner resilience, he can't connect to that self energy. He. He needs me to be it for him. Right, of course. And if I can be it for him, then he can learn to access that for himself.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Gabby Bernstein
So. So then I'll just get curious, you know, like, what's going on? What are you feeling? What do you want me to know? And then I'll ask, what do you need? And I'll be like, I need a hug or I need space or whatever he needs. See? And I'll check in. I'll be like, does he seem a little bit more calm? Does he seem a little connected? Does he seem curious? Does he seem like there's a creative energy going? And once I see the shift in him, then I'll. Then I'll know. We can redirect, right? And that's what all those great, great parenting books will say, like connect and redirect.
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Rachel Zoe
Right?
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Gabby Bernstein
Connection has to come first. And that connection is through the four steps right now.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay, so internal, internal family systems. Can you define that? Like, like, because that obviously is something you're trying to scream about. Like, what actually does that mean? Because we know what our internal systems are. But what is internal family systems is that you're saying those are the triggers.
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Gabby Bernstein
And the triggers nothing to do with your external family except for the fact that they might be the triggers that put the feelings there. But, but it's actually an inner family of parts of who you are. So it's like a family of little children inside.
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Rachel Zoe
Understood.
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Gabby Bernstein
Your self energy is the internal parents, the inner leader. And instead of overriding all these young experiences and patterns that have been around for so long, the idea is to befriend them and know them and give them some space to reveal what they need so that they can relax. And then when these parts of us relax, more of that calmness can emerge, more of that clarity can emerge, more confidence can emerge. And so it's this practice of witnessing what's in what's happening inside and then checking in with it instead of checking out. And we live our lives checking out, checking out, checking out. I got this. Good. I'm going to control over this, or I'm going to eat over this, or I'm going to drink over this, or I'm going to work over this. I'm going to numb out with YouTube over this. And we're just in these patterns, just, just pushing past, pushing people pleasing over this, whatever it is, because I don't want to feel those feelings. And instead of having to go to the darkest feelings of our life, which we can do in therapy, this practice is just about tending to those protection mechanisms.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, it's so important. It's so interesting because it's so incredibly important because I think, I mean, listen, I'm going to use myself as an example, right? Because I can't speak to anybody else But I can say that for me, it's that constant. Like I grew up in the most loving, like non traumatizing childhood, right? Like, I just, I say that very openly because I understand as an adult how grateful I am for that. Right. That does not mean that I'm not fucked up in many ways from God knows what. Like, but I guess what I'm saying is that I definitely have lived my adult life and listen, probably my younger life, right? But like with protections, with walls, and everybody's like, how do you do it? How do you go through blah, blah, blah, blah, and the list out 10 things I'm dealing with, right? And then like personal shit, work stuff, like da, da, da, kids, whatever it is, right? And I'm like, you just do. I just do. What do you mean? Like, I just do. And they're like, but you seem so happy. And I'm like, well, I am happy, right? Like, I am happy. But like, trust me, I'm. Internally, I am in like, it looks like a twister, you know, it looks like a massive tornado. And it's like, you know, I've kind of always used that analogy of like, yes, I am happy, yes, I am together. I'm not like lying to you guys, but at the same time, trust me when I tell you the inside looks so vastly different than the outside. And I think that's because to your point, it's living in protections, it's living with walls, it's living with these things that we block. And I always say, I block and tackle. I block and tackle. And that's just internal and external, right? Wow.
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Gabby Bernstein
Even that language, that's so beautiful. I block and tackle, right? We're all living our lives block and tackle. Block and tackle. Everyone listening is going to be like, yeah, me too. In their ways, right? Yeah, your own ways. And the thing that's really important for me to say, Rachel, is that these parts of us, while they may be very extreme, they also have had really good roles in our life. Right? So controlling part. I'm working really, really hard to help that part of me calm down and to take on a new role. But listen, she wrote 10 books in 14. Yeah, your block and tackle made a movement and is an icon in your industry. You know what I mean?
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Rachel Zoe
And that. But what you're saying is exactly why I think as women and many men, we know many incredibly successful men, they're going to say, well, why am I going to try and change that? Right? Because it's working. I'll tell you what point. Yeah, please Share that because I think that's interesting.
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Gabby Bernstein
Well, think like. Well, I don't want to lose my edge.
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Rachel Zoe
Right, you're fire.
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Gabby Bernstein
What I want to suggest is that you can just soften your edges. So I'll give you my own example. Right? So the controller has done a lot in 19 years of her career and in 45 years of her life. She's done a lot of good for the world. She has written many books. She's spoken all over the place. She's done a lot for the world. She's created a child, the whole thing. But she's done it in such extreme ways for so long at my own expense. And so I wouldn't have that childlike joy, right? I would miss the joy of like tasting my food or like having fun in the moment and just being present. And so I don't want that controller to stop doing the great work she's doing. But I definitely don't want her to run the show anymore because it's too extreme for me. And so as I tended to her with this process of checking in and checking in and keep working with her and working with her, now she's taking on a new role. So she's not going away. She's not a bad part. She's just emerging into a more. More relaxed role, right. Instead of being the asshole on the team call being like, do this, do that. She can actually speak with more clarity now because she's more calm and she can say, I'm noticing that things are not working out the way that I would hope and I need things to be a little bit more organized. And so my expectation is xyz and so I'm looking forward to seeing the results. So that's a badass, powerful entrepreneur talking to the team, saying it's time to. For all of us to get in gear. But it's not a controlling. Right.
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Rachel Zoe
It's. That's so interesting. That is so interesting because I think I want to really, I want to touch on that because I think, I think there is this real, like, it's like a tug of war. I think in, in most successful, powerful people, like, I can't be me unless I do this right? And I've always said my number one thing is lead with love, lead with kindness. You don't have to be an asshole to be successful. You don't have to, like, you don't have to people over to win at something, right? Like, and I think that that is a newer concept for I think most industries, like sort of sort of Saying, I can see, still win at this and not be an. I can still be nice to people. And I think to your point, there is a real fear of like, wait, I won't have that same power. I won't have that edge. I won't. They won't listen to me if I don't act like this, right?
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Gabby Bernstein
I won't be heard, I won't be.
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Rachel Zoe
Seen, I won't be heard.
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Gabby Bernstein
And the thing is, you know, one time I had my therapist say, she's like, I wouldn't recommend that. Maybe you don't run your business like a 10 year old anymore. And from your 10 year old, you know, and I'm still like every day, you know, every day, even today I was like talking to my VP of marketing. I was like, okay, I recognize there's a part of me that wants this done tomorrow and that, that could maybe be a little bit aggressive. And so I'm gonna speak for what I want and what I need, but I'm also going to give you some space, right? So it's so different than just being blended with that part of myself and thinking if I don't get it done the way that I want it in the time that I want it, I won't survive. Right? And that's the miracle of this work, is that the more you check in, the more you start to experience that calmness in that connection and the more clarity you have and the more creative energy you have and this new part of you starts to emerge. And what, what that part of you that's starting to emerge is, is a child, like part of you that got pushed down for so long.
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Rachel Zoe
The happy child.
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Gabby Bernstein
The happy child.
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Rachel Zoe
That should be your, by the way, that should be your next book.
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Gabby Bernstein
The happy child.
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Rachel Zoe
Like, like, you know, I mean, you're so prolific at this point, I feel like you can write one by Monday or something.
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Gabby Bernstein
I wrote another one already. I have another one. I'm submitting it in January.
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Rachel Zoe
So I, I do, I do want to touch on one thing you said because you said my therapist, because I think many people would say, say, well, Gabby and going to her talks and da, da, da. She is my therapist now, right? And I also want to say that I'm someone who, until very recently, and I've never said this out loud other than to my internal people, you know, I've never been a believer in therapy, right? Yet I have more people in my life that can't breathe without a therapist. They're like, oh, I got to think. I have therapy. You Know, it's like. It's like. And I think what's interesting is some of the things you've said is I think part of it is you. It's the blocking and tackling, right? You don't want to go to the underneath. You don't want to necessarily unblock it because you're like, I'm doing great. I don't need to uncover that stuff. Right? So I want to talk about it because one would think sitting here with Gabby Bernstein and life coaching half the world at this point, through your books and, you know, your talks and all of these things and your pod and everything else, it's sort of like, okay, why do you need a therapist now? So. And. And I know why, but, like, I want you to share that concept. Right?
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Gabby Bernstein
Well, I have a couple's therapist. I have a personal therapist. I have. Because you know why, Rachel? I want to feel as absolutely free as I can.
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Rachel Zoe
So. Interesting.
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Gabby Bernstein
I have been on a pursuit of freedom since the moment I landed here on this planet. And that freedom is what I'm here to live inside and what I'm here to teach. So I will, hopefully. I mean, I. My new therapist is, like, fabulous. I love her so much, and I love all my therapists I've had throughout my life, but this one is just so amazing that it's really, like, shining the crystal. You know, it's like, I go in and I'm like, what, are we good? Who are we going to check in with today? You know, I do ifs therapy, so that. That's what I'm up to, drawn to. I've read it, but. But it's just had such a profound impact on my life that I wouldn't do it any differently. And I think that. That what's nice about this book, it's called Self Help. It's like, for the folks that are like, no, thank you. It's really for the people that are in the therapy. Because it will enhance your therapy, right? Spiritual students, because it'll enhance your spiritual practice. And it's for the folks that are like, I don't really like, is this it? Like, is this how I'm gonna feel forever? Like, is there a better way? But maybe they don't want to go to therapy. And so this is a gentle path. This isn't asking you to go unearth your deepest, darkest wounds. It's asking you just to find a new way of relating to yourself.
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Rachel Zoe
And it's very attainable. Like, I almost feel like this is sort of the 101 for people who are like, it's self help, one on one. And I think that's probably what you meant by the. By the title a little bit, which is like, you know what? This doesn't take a whole lot of work. This is, like, really just helping you in your everyday life feel the best you can or even just if you feel a little better from doing this throughout the day, that's what you're trying to do.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah, that's actually my goal for the reader is, like, have these moments follow the four steps even once a day. But the more often you do it, the more. More. More frio Feet feel. But if you ever do it once a day, you get a glimmer of that self energy. So that calm, that connection, and it's just really about adding up those moments, those glimmers, because once you have a little taste of it and you're like, oh, I just did that four steps. And I actually feel a lot more calm right now. Or I just said, I just had such an anxiety attack. But I used Gabby's four steps, and the anxiety is lifting.
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Rachel Zoe
It took a break. It's like, it's a break.
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Gabby Bernstein
And once you have a taste of that, you want more of it.
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Rachel Zoe
Can I ask you a question?
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Gabby Bernstein
In you.
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Rachel Zoe
I want to ask a question because I could obviously talk to you for 15 hours, but I do have to let you go. You said that you've been on a journey for freedom, internal freedom, and external, I imagine, since you came onto this earth. Right. How do you feel today at 45 with 10 books, soon to be 11. God knows the next time we freaking speak to you, helping gajillions of people and, you know, having been through what you've been through, how do you feel on your journey to freedom? Like, how do you feel today?
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Gabby Bernstein
I'm gonna answer with a story. So I was a few weeks ago, and I was at dinner, and I'm. I'm looking at the menu, and you're gonna laugh when I talk about this, but I was like. I was like, the abuela's chicken soup is just everything. And like, the pomodoro. I love the pomodoro. We need to share the tacos. And my friend was sitting across from me. It's like a good friend of mine. She looks at me and she goes, gabby, you're having so much fun in life.
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Rachel Zoe
Right? Right.
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Gabby Bernstein
I was right. I fell off my chair. I was like. Like, who is this Gabby you're referring to? Yeah, so true. It was like, all of a sudden, it's like childlike emerging. And I was just like, so focused on the abuela's chicken soup, and it's all I wanted and I couldn't. It was nothing burdening me. And I was having fun and so happy to be with these friends and just sitting outside in L. A and eating beautiful food and just in childlike wonder. And so the answer is, I'm getting to freedom, honey.
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Rachel Zoe
Isn't that great? And I'm gonna. I'm gonna actually say to that that over the last, like three months, I've weirdly had at least a hundred people in my life very close to me without knowing, without saying, just going, you feel so light. You look so sparkly. You look so happy. You look so like, you know, like. I think to your point, a little more of that spirit, a little more of that light, a little more of that, like. And what's interesting, and I think this goes to what you do, is I think we move through life and we don't know how people are taking us in. Right. Until they're not taking you in in that same way. And they comment on and when it was not one person, but I kid you not, it's been at least 100. And some know what's going on in my life, some don't, but they just all made the same comment. And it was the weirdest awakening for me because I was like, wow, that's wild. Because who knew that anyone could feel what I was feeling, right? Who knew what I was holding, who knew what I was carrying, you know? And they still don't know, by the way. Right. But like, at the end of the day, to your point, I think that freeing behavior of how you move through even just a dinner, talking about the excitement about food. And I think when you talk about happy people, to your point, it's people who are genuinely excited by something so simple.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
Yes, you know, like, yes, my day. How about when. How about 20 people that you've seen a day and you go, I'm good. How are you? And they're like, I'm good. And the next thing. But then every once in a while you get a person that go that says, like, I'm great. Totally, I'm great. Like, it's a beautiful day. I just had the best breakfast. Like, oh, my God, my son did this. Or like, wow. And I have a friend that actually answers that way sometimes. And it jolts me.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
Because I'm like, she is genuinely living in gratitude and actually genuinely this happy about, like, the five minute dumb thing she just did. And I'm not saying it's dumb, but it was like a nothing thing.
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Gabby Bernstein
Presence.
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Rachel Zoe
But wow, right?
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Gabby Bernstein
It's presence. And it's. That's what life's about. And I think that most people don't live there.
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Rachel Zoe
Well, I love you for making your life's best purpose. Not only self actualizing, I hate to use that term, but I guess getting yourself to your freest place, but actually making it your life's goal to get everyone to their freest place because it's such a beautiful thing. And you know, it's like in the simplest way, it's like turning that frown upside down. Right.
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Gabby Bernstein
100%. And I, and I, I, I. It's a very selfish career I have.
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Rachel Zoe
I wouldn't say that.
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Gabby Bernstein
Well, it's selfish because if I do it right for myself, then I can do it right. And you asked me early on, you said, well, what allowed? What made you gabby? And it was realizing that there was no one else I was trying to be right and that I was going to just keep peeling back the layers of the onion of who I authentically am. And so I can say that it's a selfish career because I'm doing, I'm just having fun doing the work on myself and then I can just unapologetically share it with the world.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. And actually changing the world and helping a million people, doing it. Now everyone wants to be a life coach.
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Gabby Bernstein
My answer to those folks is good, but go do the self help.
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Rachel Zoe
Of course. Because you don't want to heal yourself to heal others.
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Gabby Bernstein
Don't be a wounded healer. Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay, so before you go, I'm going to give you like a handful of questions. Just wrap it around just because it's what I do to close. So like two second answers. Morning person or night owl?
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Gabby Bernstein
Oh, morning person all the way.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay. Favorite season.
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Gabby Bernstein
Fall.
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Rachel Zoe
Mountains or beach?
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Gabby Bernstein
Both.
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Rachel Zoe
This one should be interesting for you. One thing you tell your younger self.
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Gabby Bernstein
It'S gonna be great.
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Rachel Zoe
I like it. Mascara or blush?
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Gabby Bernstein
Oh God. Mascara all the way.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, same. Well, this is interesting. Another job you'd like to try.
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Gabby Bernstein
I would be a great cmo. Like.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, you would.
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Gabby Bernstein
Good at marketing. Such a good cmo.
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Rachel Zoe
You would. You really would. Okay, I already know the answer to this, but quiet weekend or on the go?
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Gabby Bernstein
You're gonna be surprised. On the go, not surprised. That was what you were thinking.
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Rachel Zoe
You are a go go girl.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah. What am I talking about?
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Rachel Zoe
You are not a sit on your ass kind of person.
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Gabby Bernstein
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
One piece of advice for raising Boys.
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Gabby Bernstein
Curiosity.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay. Where have you not traveled that you would like to?
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Gabby Bernstein
Oh, oh. Japan.
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Rachel Zoe
Interesting. Both of my kids are dying to go to Japan. They ask me every single day, ask permission or ask for forgiveness.
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Gabby Bernstein
Forgiveness.
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Rachel Zoe
Same call or text?
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Gabby Bernstein
Call.
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Rachel Zoe
See, I knew you were gonna say that because that's you. Of course. Call. Biggest pet peeve.
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Gabby Bernstein
People being late. Not. Not acceptable to me.
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Rachel Zoe
Heels or flats?
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Gabby Bernstein
I prefer heels. Heels.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay.
- [54:44]
Gabby Bernstein
A smaller heel. A boot.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. Well, I'm so excited. I'm so excited for your next book. Everyone run and get it. I'm sure you already have Gabby's first nine. And soon, I mean, we'll be able to get an 11th, but I think this one is definitely one for everyone. And I think we all need it, whether we admit it or not. And it doesn't matter how much you think you have your shit together. We all don't. And I think we all should be on the journey too. Feel as best as we can. And not everyone's ready for it, but hopefully, hopefully, self help will be the first step in all of it. Gabby, you are the best. I can't wait to talk to you more. I can't wait to see you more. I can't wait to drink like some caffeine with you or a matcha. Even though I don't drink matcha. I like caffeine.
- [55:33]
Gabby Bernstein
I'll caffeinate with you any day. Okay, great.
- [55:37]
Rachel Zoe
I love you. Thank you so much to Gabby for coming on the pod today. I mean, she is so beyond special. I could have had this be like a special like four hour, four part pod series. Honestly, I love talking to her about every single book she's written and why in every lecture she's given for so many people she really says is for herself and still on her healing journey and her ultimately like endless journey to freedom and like self freedom. It's really incredible because I think as humans we're flawed and I think it's how much we want to tap into flaws that might ultimately be our superpowers or things that are so deeply buried that they might be holding us back from doing certain things. This was such a good episode. Certainly one of my favorites that could have kept on going. I want to thank you so much for listening to Climbing in Heels. If you haven't already, please subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the Iheart app or wherever you get your podcasts. So don't miss a single episode this season and be sure to find. Follow me on Instagram at rachelzo and the show climbing in Heels pod for the latest episodes and updates. I will talk to you soon.
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