ICYMI: Jake Shane - The Internet's Bestie

Summary

Climbing in Heels with Rachel Zoe - Episode: ICYMI: Jake Shane - The Internet's Bestie Release Date: May 16, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Climbing in Heels, host Rachel Zoe welcomes TikTok sensation and podcast host Jake Shane—only the second male guest on the show. Rachel and Jake dive deep into his journey through social media fame, his personal struggles, and his aspirations within the entertainment industry. Their conversation is filled with warmth, humor, and candid insights, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the dynamics of modern female and male entrepreneurship.

Early Life and Upbringing

Jake Shane opens up about his diverse upbringing, moving frequently between Los Angeles, New York, and the suburbs of Westchester. This fluidity in his early years played a significant role in shaping his adaptable and resilient personality.

Jake Shane [02:26]: "I moved to Washington Heights in New York City because it was hard to be gay in the suburbs."

Rachel relates to Jake's attachment to horoscopes and zodiac signs, sparking a light-hearted discussion about their respective astrological signs and how these influence their personalities.

Relationship with Parents

A heartwarming segment of the episode focuses on Jake's close relationship with his parents. Despite the occasional friction, Jake emphasizes the unwavering support he receives from his family, which has been instrumental in his career.

Jake Shane [03:37]: "Yeah, I love them. They drive me crazy, but I love them."

Anxiety and Mental Health

Rachel and Jake delve into the topic of anxiety, discussing how it has been both a challenge and a source of motivation in their lives. Jake shares his perspective on anxiety as an inherent part of his personality that fuels his creativity and drive.

Jake Shane [07:34]: "I have really bad OCD, so my anxiety, I view it kind of like if I didn't have it, I wouldn't be motivated."

Rachel echoes this sentiment, describing her anxiety as a "superpower" that propels her forward, while also acknowledging the importance of managing it effectively.

Rachel Zoe [06:27]: "I feel that in a weird way, my anxiety has always been my superpower."

Career Growth: TikTok and Podcast Success

The conversation shifts to Jake's meteoric rise on TikTok and his successful podcast, "Therapists." Rachel expresses admiration for Jake's ability to balance his social media presence with his professional responsibilities.

Jake Shane [13:28]: "Zach always believes in me. Like, he's always like, you're gonna get to a million."

Jake recounts his journey from interning at a record label to launching his podcast, highlighting the pivotal role his manager Zach played in his success. Their synergy led to an explosive growth in his follower count, surpassing his initial expectations.

Challenges and Overcoming Fear

Jake candidly discusses his fears of embarrassment and the constant anxiety of not being taken seriously. However, he explains how embracing these fears and using humor as a coping mechanism has helped him navigate the pressures of fame.

Jake Shane [21:04]: "I think my fear is like, have no one care... I'm just so scared of being embarrassed at all times."

Rachel relates by sharing her own experiences with fear as she built her career, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and support systems.

Dreams and Future Aspirations

Looking ahead, Jake shares his dreams of venturing into acting and transforming his podcast into a Gen Z late-night show. Rachel enthusiastically encourages these aspirations, envisioning Jake as a future staple in the entertainment industry.

Jake Shane [33:12]: "My ideal dream would be, like, Netflix Live three times a week. Late night musical guest talent fits. Jake Shane, Late Night Live."

Rachel supports this vision, affirming her belief in Jake's potential to become a prominent figure akin to legends like Dave Letterman.

Rapid-Fire Round

The episode concludes with a fun rapid-fire segment where Rachel poses a series of quick questions to Jake, revealing more personal tidbits and showcasing their chemistry:

• Instagram or TikTok?

  Jake: "It depends on the day."

• Food you can't live without?

  Jake: "White rice and octopus."

• If arrested, for what?

  Jake: "Drunk and disorderly."

• Favorite beauty product?

  Jake: "Lineage Lip Mask and Drunk Elephant bronzer."

• Who's your hero?

  Jake: "Taylor Swift."

• Favorite TV show of all time?

  Jake: "Girls on HBO."

Conclusion

Rachel wraps up the episode by expressing her gratitude for Jake's transparency and humor, highlighting the mutual growth and understanding that emerged from their conversation. She also shares her newfound inspiration to embrace TikTok, with Jake offering mentorship as she steps into this new digital realm.

Rachel Zoe [36:39]: "I can't wait to be your best friend. And I'm terrified to launch TikTok, so you're gonna have to help me."

Jake reciprocates the sentiment, thanking Rachel for having him on the show and reaffirming their budding friendship.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jake Shane [07:34]: "I have really bad OCD, so my anxiety, I view it kind of like if I didn't have it, I wouldn't be motivated."

• Rachel Zoe [06:27]: "I feel that in a weird way, my anxiety has always been my superpower."

• Jake Shane [21:04]: "I think my fear is like, have no one care... I'm just so scared of being embarrassed at all times."

• Jake Shane [33:12]: "My ideal dream would be, like, Netflix Live three times a week. Late night musical guest talent fits. Jake Shane, Late Night Live."

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This episode not only highlights Jake Shane's journey to success but also underscores the universal challenges of managing mental health and fear while pursuing one's passions. Through their heartfelt and humorous dialogue, Rachel and Jake provide listeners with valuable insights into the realities of modern-day entrepreneurship and personal growth.

Transcript

[Jake Shane]

You're listening to an I Heart podcast.

[Rachel Zoe]

Hi, everyone.

I'm Rachel Zo, and you're listening to Climbing in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration, and, of course, fun. This week is another monumental episode of Climbing in Heels as we welcome our second ever male guest, the TikTok sensation, Jake Shane. I met Jake a few months ago and we instantly connected his massive, massive success with both social media and his amazing podcast. Therapists are clearly just the beginning of what will be a very long career in the entertainment industry. Without further ado, the adorable, hilarious Jake Shane.

So I'm very excited to have you, and I'm very excited to sort of hear all about you and how you became you because you're very young, and I weirdly think we have a lot of common interests. I know you love horoscopes and signs and the whole thing, which is one of my greatest obsessions.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, good. So you'll be able to tell me about it because I, like, I'm, like, obsessed, but, like, I don't know. And, like, I. It's like a bit that I don't know anything. Like, on my latest podcast episode, I told someone they were cancer and they were a Gemini. Like, it was just embarrassing.

[Rachel Zoe]

What are you?

[Jake Shane]

I'm a Scorpio.

[Rachel Zoe]

Scorpio. We shouldn't even be talking. But that's.

[Jake Shane]

What are you?

[Rachel Zoe]

I'm a Virgo.

[Jake Shane]

Wait, I love Virgos. Is that not normal?

[Rachel Zoe]

No, it is. I think you guys love us. I think we struggle with you, but it's okay. Okay, I'm here for it. But I'm also here to. I'm also here to say that, like, I'm really down to, like, love a Scorpio. Like, I'm really. Because I feel like I can be changed. You know what I mean? Like, I can't be that judgy. But again, I'm a Virgo. So we are really freaking judgy. We just.

[Jake Shane]

Well, if it makes it better, my rising's Gemini and my moon is Gemini, so I come off as a Gemini a lot of the time.

[Rachel Zoe]

So maybe that's why I don't know that I click with a Scorpio off the bat, you know? Hello. Like we did. You know, Right?

[Jake Shane]

We said we clicked.

[Rachel Zoe]

We clicked it. Hello. Like, it was a hug and it was with Kade, who we love.

[Jake Shane]

Yes. Love, love, love.

[Rachel Zoe]

So I need to understand. Okay, so born and raised where I.

[Jake Shane]

Was born in la.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay, so it's not totally new.

[Jake Shane]

No, but I moved when I was two years old.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay.

[Jake Shane]

Fair and Then I kind of bopped around New York a little, and then where I really, like, settled was the suburbs. Westchester when I was six years old to, I think, 11 years old or 12. I want to say 11 or 12.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay.

[Jake Shane]

And then I moved to Washington Heights in New York City because, okay, it was, like, hard to be gay in the suburbs. And then my mom was also like, get me the out of here. And he moved to Washington Heights, and I lived in Washington Heights from seventh grade. So when I was 12 to, like, 20.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay.

[Jake Shane]

I. I went to college at USC, so I moved to LA.

[Rachel Zoe]

Nice. So you've really had a New York LA.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. But during COVID like, I. I was 20, and I, like, was in Washington Heights at the time because everyone went home and I was like, I can't be here. And so I went back to my college apartment in la. And, like, that's kind of when I really consider, like, done, because we sold our place there, and my parents live now out here with me. And, like, okay, yeah, we. We all moved out here.

[Rachel Zoe]

That's so fun.

So you're super close with your parents?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, I love them. They drive me crazy, but I love them.

[Rachel Zoe]

Honestly, I don't. I live for my parents, but there's literally no one that can drive me more crazy than my parents. I think that's the job.

[Jake Shane]

I think it's like, they know how to get. Like, they know how to, like. They know how to, like, poke. Like, it's a trigger.

[Rachel Zoe]

That's where triggers came from. Your parents?

[Jake Shane]

Yes. I will say my mom has. Is never. She's always excited about what I do, but she was especially excited. Excited today because she always watched your show with me as a kid.

[Rachel Zoe]

That makes me so happy. So did you when you were a kid watching me, were you like, that is crazy?

[Jake Shane]

No, I actually didn't think you were crazy at all. Because my mom, I. Because I like, I based.

[Rachel Zoe]

Does your mom love fashion?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, she loves fashion. And she didn't think you were crazy. Like, she loved you and, like, I didn't think you were. Like, I kind of just basically based my opinion off what she thought.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right. Okay.

[Jake Shane]

I was like, okay, well, my mom, as a good.

[Rachel Zoe]

As a good son does.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. And, yeah, I never thought you were crazy. I thought the show was great. Reality television.

[Rachel Zoe]

Oh, I love that.

[Jake Shane]

I really, like, describe myself as, like, I was like a reality TV kid. Like, that's what I was watching. I was watching VH1. I was watching MTV. I was watching Bravo. I was watching E. Like, I was like, very into reality television.

[Rachel Zoe]

I don't know if this surprises you or doesn't, because I did a show. I have never seen another reality. Like, I could barely watch my show.

[Jake Shane]

You've never seen, like, Housewives anything? No.

[Rachel Zoe]

Literally never seen Housewives? Like, like, never actually have seen Housewives.

[Jake Shane]

Why are you just like, I. Are you just so, like, I can't. Like, it reminds you too much of, like, your experience doing.

[Rachel Zoe]

I think I know too much. But I'll be very honest with you, I've pretty. Pretty much winged my entire life, if that makes sense. And I just kind of went with it. And I think when I started my show, everyone, you know, when I was working on it, you know, I remember the head of Bravo was like, what are your favorite shows? And I was like, don't watch any. It was like when I wrote my books. What are your favorite books? Don't have any. So it was so right. So I think it was just sort of like, I'm just going to wing this. And then I think it was hard enough for me to do the show. So I think it was sort of like, when I'm not doing this, I'm not also watching other shows. I also don't love to be influenced in that way too. It's a little bit like, when I had my clothing line, I didn't really love to look at other people's because you don't want to even be subconsciously sort of swayed into something, if that makes sense.

[Jake Shane]

So I 100%, like, it's like an anxiety thing. I think it is. That's like, it, like, makes me anxious. It's like, I don't want to by accidentally, like, copy something, like, subconsciously. And then, yeah, it's an anxiety thing. I totally get that.

[Rachel Zoe]

I want to talk to you about that, so I'm glad you brought that up. So I have really come to terms and I'm very open about the fact that I feel that in a weird way, my anxiety has always been my superpower. I kind of really have. I don't really think I've ever considered my anxiety. I sort of make fun of myself about it. And I don't mean to belittle it. I don't mean to use it as a. As like an adjective, I guess, is what I'm saying. But I think I consider myself to be a, like an anxious person. But I don't necessarily look at it as a negative. I've kind of always looked at it as. It's a little bit of my fire. It's a little bit of my motivator. It's a little bit of the thing that, like, wakes me up in the morning and wants me to be better at something. I think that's how I've always viewed it. But I know that you're very open about anxiety and mental health in general, so I want to talk to you about that. So have you been this way, like, your whole life?

[Jake Shane]

Were you.

[Rachel Zoe]

You.

[Jake Shane]

Yes, my entire. My entire life? Well, like, I'm Jewish.

[Rachel Zoe]

Were you open about it? Me too.

[Jake Shane]

So anxiety kind of comes with the territory is kind of what my parents always told me, which is why I.

[Rachel Zoe]

Never viewed as anxiety. I was like, this is just who we are.

[Jake Shane]

And I. I just remember, like, always being anxious as a kid. I. I have really bad ocd, so that, like, my anxiety, I view it kind of like if I didn't have it, I wouldn't be motivated.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right.

[Jake Shane]

I wouldn't be, like, good at, like. Like, I don't know, like, what I do exact. I mean, I wouldn't be good at, like, hosting or being passionate.

[Rachel Zoe]

Like, it's part of your personality. It's. It's like you're fast, you move, you think a lot, you overthink a lot.

[Jake Shane]

There's just no getting rid of it. So, like, what am I supposed to do? Like, I'm not going to be like, you know, I'm on meds and it'll subdue it, but there's no getting rid of it. So I'm not going to sit here and be like, it's the worst thing in the world because it's here. So, like, I might as well just. It's like. Have you seen the movie Inside out too?

[Rachel Zoe]

Not yet. Oh, wait, what now? What's the one out now?

[Jake Shane]

Inside out, they introduce anxiety. And like, the whole concept of the movie is, like, kind of about the regulation of emotions and how every emotion is needed in some capacity. And, like, anxiety is needed in some capacity. And, like, anxiety doesn't mean, like, doesn't have ill intentions. It's just too much of it becomes a bad thing.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yes, yes, I agree. And I. It's funny because I remember when I lived in New York in my. In my, like, heyday of the best years of my actual life, pre children, and people used to be like, are you on drugs? And I'm like, no, not like, at that point, I wasn't even barely drinking caffeine. And I just. It's like this excitement. It's like an excitement, but it also. To your point, I think it's sort of like you are or you aren't and you manage it or you don't. And it's how much you embrace it and cope with it and manage it. And I think to your point, use it to help you use it as fuel. Right. I think if, if you mentally look at it as fuel in many ways, then you can embrace it as a positive rather than something scary and overwhelming.

[Jake Shane]

You know, you just need to know that once you know that, like, what it's projecting isn't real, which isn't.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right.

[Jake Shane]

Very hard. It's not possible for me yet. Sorry, there's a garbage truck.

[Rachel Zoe]

Evidently you're a child or 24. You have so much more to cope with that, like, this is going to get easier for you in many ways.

[Jake Shane]

I hope I've realized that, like, working out helps it and yeah, yeah, doing something creative helps it. Like, I'm kind of narcissistic, so talking about myself helps it. Like being honest.

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[Rachel Zoe]

By the way, always be honest. I love you more for that. And also that's how you became you to being honest.

[Jake Shane]

Thank you. Yeah, that's what I remember when this all kind of happened. I was kind of like, like, I'm just like, I. Once you accept the fact that like, well, I don't know, not everyone's transparent, but I would consider myself to be a pretty transparent person. Like everyone, even if I'm not being transparent, can see right through me and like, can see what I'm thinking. Once I accepted that, like, life got.

[Rachel Zoe]

So much easier, you know, you've obviously had so much success and, and at a very young age. I mean, I feel like you probably just graduated like two years ago, right? Yeah, two years ago, like last month.

[Jake Shane]

Oh my God.

[Rachel Zoe]

You have this massive success pretty quickly, right? For being yourself. And I mean, what is that? What does that feel like? And was it intentional? You know, because like, did you come out of school and be like, this is what I'm doing or did this just kind of like you're just rolling with it?

[Jake Shane]

I was, I thought I was going to work in music for the rest of my life. I had. I was an intern at a record Label since I was a junior or the summer of COVID So end of my sophomore year, and I kept that. And then I took a break my senior year because I had done it for a year, like, my entire junior year. And they were like, okay, like, finish college and come back and we can see if there's a full time position for you. And I, like, made this, like, octopus account in the meantime, just, like, to keep me busy. Like, it was, like, funny. Like, it was just a joke. I was in college.

[Rachel Zoe]

Why octopus? Like, I have to understand this. I use octopus as a. Like, I'll be like, oh, he's like an octopus. Like, too much personal space. And, like, you know, it was like.

[Jake Shane]

It was my bougie. It was my bougie snack. Like, I ate it. Like, I would go out to, like, Chiconi's West Hollywood and get, like, grilled octopus.

[Rachel Zoe]

And, like, they have the best grilled octopus there. I don't even like grilled octopus. And there's a spray.

[Jake Shane]

Then you need to get it from Angelini Palisades as well, because that one took over for me, at least in my mind.

[Rachel Zoe]

I actually weirdly have had a bite of that one. I know that sounds good. Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

Arugula. It's lemony.

[Rachel Zoe]

I won't order it, but I'll have a bite of someone's.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, but maybe we'll go and we'll order it.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay. I would do that. I would absolutely share a grilled octopus with you.

[Jake Shane]

Yes, please. I would be honored. But I do that. I graduated. I was working full time at the record label. I was an assistant to this guy named Zach. And he just, like, always, like. Like, when you have someone around you that, like, lets you be your full self, like, you kind of unlock your full potential. So, like, he never judged me. Like, every hue, every joke I made, like, even if I wasn't being intentionally funny, he thought was funny and, like, egged me on and encouraged was just a really happy, happy time. That was probably, like, the happiest time of my life. Like, I was, like, making tick tocks on the side, but I was, like, doing my job during the day. Like, it, like, didn't. Like, it felt. It was just, like. It felt, like, very, like, okay, as long as my, like, job is good, like, we're good, I can make these tick tocks. But, like, nothing. I didn't think anything of it. And he always made this joke, kind of like, if anything ever happens, I'll manage you. And then something did happen, like, over the course of one week. And I. Like, I don't know. It wasn't even, like, a question, like, well, are you gonna do it? Like, it just was kind of like, we were kind of like, we both knew. Like, okay. Like, we both felt like, all right, well, it's happening. Like, you're gonna. You're gonna manage me now. And it was kind of, like, kismet, and it was, like, the perfect person to meet at the perfect time. And, like, I couldn't imagine, like, doing it with, like, any other people around me.

[Rachel Zoe]

I love that.

[Jake Shane]

See?

[Rachel Zoe]

And you couldn't. You couldn't have. Wouldn't have. Couldn't have ever planned that.

[Jake Shane]

No, it was. It. It was just like, I. I thought I had a plan. Like, I was like, this is. Oh, like, oh, you. Like, maybe I'll reach a hundred thousand followers followers by the end of the year. Right? And that was like, a million in a week. And I was like. And Zach always believes in me. Like, he's always like, you're gonna get to a million. Like, you're. He's, like, always, like, putting these, like, end goals for me.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right?

[Jake Shane]

Well, that's not gonna happen.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right.

[Jake Shane]

But he literally said, like, you're gonna get to a million by the end of the year. I was like, zach, that's not true. But he's just, like, the best.

[Rachel Zoe]

That's so. It's. It's. I mean, I think what I could try to tell you at 24 is you sometimes just have to let life happen, because as an anxious person, you're going to overthink it to the point of no return. And it's like, I think you're already seeing the success, and I think it's sort of like, it's good for you to stay very real about it and be like, that's not going to happen and keep yourself in check. But I think it's great to have people around you that are your. Like, cheerleaders that are there for the journey. And, you know, I think it's great. It's. I think that's fantastic. And by the way, I'm launching my Tick Tock soon, and I might need some mentoring.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. If you need any help. Tick Tock is like, my. I would. I pride myself in being pretty good at it.

[Rachel Zoe]

So that's great because I pride myself in really sucking at it. I have not launched it.

[Jake Shane]

It's like a language. Once you learn it, you kind of, like, can get with it. Like, it's. It's really just, like, a language. Like, it's like, doing, like, Duolingo every day. Like, you kind of, like, have to do your tik tok. Like, I did not get it at all. I remember, like. Like, watching, like, very confusing. Very confusing. I remember watching, like, the Charlie d' Amelios and everyone and being like, are they editing these? How are they doing it? And then what kind of just. And I remember my best friend Brett and I were always, like, so confused. We're like, how do we do this? Once you get this, like, it used to take us four hours to edit one. Tick tock. Once you get this one, you're like, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Done.

[Rachel Zoe]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I. I'm literally gonna need the 101 tutoring of this because, you know, people keep going. Why aren't you on TikTok? I always hear your voice on TikTok. Your things from your show on TikTok. It's like a whole new. Because I can Instagram till, you know I'm purple. Like, it's. That's. That's my first language. But now, to your point, I. I need to get my. I do. I really do. Okay, so tell me about your pod, because it has a cult following, and I want to know how you got the name and, like, why and what the obsession with octopus and this bougie kind of life. And I just. I need. I. I get you because I speak you. I get it. Like, I totally get it.

[Jake Shane]

Kind of became this thing, like, my friends always called Octopus Pus. Like, it was just a thing. It was like, it just was a thing. And that's, like, what I named the account. And then, like, does your mother love.

[Rachel Zoe]

That it's called Puss?

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, she thought it was. She thought it was funny. And she, like, she loved it. She's like, my. Like, she's your biggest cheerleader.

[Rachel Zoe]

I have two boys.

[Jake Shane]

I do it. Like, yeah, Like. But she. It just, like, everything kind of became a play on Puss. And it was like, I. I had this Instagram story called Tell me what's wrong, and it would just. I would give very blunt advice. So when I was thinking about making a podcast, I was like, okay, well, I want to do that. And we could do, like, therapy. And then I was like, oh, therapists. Like, it was very quick. Like, one, two.

[Rachel Zoe]

Right, right.

[Jake Shane]

Just quick. And, like, it just kind of. I remember the room. I was. It was in my old office. Like, I was. I was there because my now manager, I was just with him, and, like, I was sitting in, like, one of the rooms with, like, my old Co workers. And I was like, oh, therapists. And that's kind of how it happened. And then it just kind of like I didn't really know what I was doing at first. I was so scared. I was like, oh my God, like, what is the point? Like, I feel like I shouldn't be doing this. And then the pussies, who are the people that follow me really just like, showed up for me. And like my friends showed up for me. Everyone who I needed to show up for me really showed up for me. And so in return I was like, I'm going to show up tenfold. And like, I'm going to make this my entire personality. And that's kind of like how it kind of came to be.

[Rachel Zoe]

And you wake up excited every single day to do it all.

[Jake Shane]

Yes, I know. I haven't been filming lately. I just filmed the season finale. We're ending the season next week. 42 episodes, or we call them sessions because it's therapy and that. I'm gonna take it on tour in October and.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah, that's so much fun. Okay, what scares you? Like, what is your biggest challenge in this new life of yours? Because now it's been probably what, like.

[Jake Shane]

Two years, a year and a half.

[Rachel Zoe]

But you've really been at it year and a half. I mean, really new. So you must have a lot of.

[Jake Shane]

You know, looking like an idiot. That's always been like my number one fear. Like, look, just embarrassing.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah, I don't think that's a fear of yours. Weirdly.

[Jake Shane]

It is. It's like I don't want to show, like, I don't want to show up. And like, number one, have no one care. I think my fear is like, have no one care.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah, of course.

[Jake Shane]

Be like, look at him. Like, what he's doing is so embarrassing. He's so embarrassing. I think it's just like I'm just so scared of being embarrassed at all times. And like, I think that's why I try to embarrass myself. I think that's like kind of like a crux of comedy. Like, you know, it's like I'm gonna embarrass myself before you can embarrass me.

[Rachel Zoe]

So I think that's I'm gonna break up with you before you break up with me.

[Jake Shane]

So it's like a lot of my humor is very self deprecating because I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like if you think you're gonna do this, like, I'm gonna do it but like 10 times. So you can't even say anything.

[Rachel Zoe]

That's so interesting. I actually think we're freakishly similar in a lot of ways. Well, it's funny because when I was growing my career, I think when I was coming in my career, people would be like, what are you so afraid of? And I'm like. Because it was never my intention to be in the public eye, I think I never had an expectation for people to show up for me. And I remember when I was younger and I used to have birthday parties every year, I was always like, nobody's gonna come. Like, nobody's gonna come. And if, if you ask my team, they would say, what's the thing that people don't know about Rachel? And they'd be like, they would tell you that she, like, she thinks no one's coming to anything that she ever does still today. So I so understand what you mean. And you don't. And I remember when I was doing my show, sort of like, why didn't. Why does anyone want to watch this? Like, why does. You know what I mean? And that's a hard thing. And I think, I think for you that the, the greatest thing about TikTok is it's so instant, right? Like, it's so immediate. Like, you're not like filming a movie that no one's showing up to watch.

[Jake Shane]

You know, it's blessing and a curse because, like, kind of addicted to this, like, immediate feedback.

[Rachel Zoe]

Of course.

[Jake Shane]

So, like, sometimes when things take time to grow as they do, like, Zach will have to tell me, like, you, like, like, I remember, like, for the podcast, he was like, so like you, nothing is going until maybe a year or two of you doing this, so just plan on you doing this for a year or two, then it'll start to go. And I was just, I was like, so that's not going to cut it in my book. Like, I'm like, that's not going to happen. Like, I'm going to full throttle this. And like, we're make. I'm going to make it happen, right? But.

[Rachel Zoe]

And look what happened.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah, I'm so, I'm so excited. I mean, I'm so excited to tour because that's like the number one reason why I did the podcast. It's like, to have like a live show that I can. So, like, that's going to be fun.

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[Rachel Zoe]

Well, that's interesting, because I actually was thinking, I was like, you're such this big personality and you're so obviously entertaining. I mean, do you. Have you ever in your life thought, like, I want to be live, Like, I want to do stand up?

[Jake Shane]

Like, I actually, yeah, I used to take stand up. I took stand up classes for a few months when I was.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's scary. That's, like, my worst fear. Like, I can't even karaoke. That's, like, my actual worst nightmare.

[Jake Shane]

Stand up is the scariest thing in the world. I took classes the Gotham. You know, the Gotham Comedy Club in Chelsea, seventh grade. So that was fun. And I remember being like, oh, I like this. But then, like, high school happened and I'm too embarrassed to do anything. Everything's embarrassing.

[Rachel Zoe]

Everything.

[Jake Shane]

You, like, lose yourself and just like, the worst time. It's the worst. And so I'm happy that, like, I'm. I've found this myself again. And, like, I'm able to be like, no, this is what I want to do. And it really is just who you surround yourself with.

[Rachel Zoe]

Honestly, it really is. I mean. Okay, so I know this seems like a logical question coming for me, but I'm curious. Like, do you like fashion? Like, meaning, like, would you ever want to do anything in the world of fashion or is that, like, terrifying to you and zero interest?

[Jake Shane]

Like, that is, like, the epitome of, like, cool for me. So, like, yeah, like, of course I would love to do anything in fashion. Like, are you kidding? Like, my mom, like, took me to a fashion show once when I was like, 8 years old.

[Rachel Zoe]

I wore, like, which one? Do you remember?

[Jake Shane]

It was Gwen Stefani's lamb collection. Yes.

[Rachel Zoe]

I was probably there.

[Jake Shane]

I have a show you a photo of me. I was very little. I was like. I was in a hoodie. It was ridiculous. But I love fashion. I used to, like, my mom loves fashion and I don't. I. I'm not a very fashionable person, but I think I love it. I think it's so cool. Like, I went to, like, one fashion show last year. I went to the Tommy Hilfiger show, and it was like, oh, yeah, he's the best.

[Rachel Zoe]

He's the sweetest human ever, too.

[Jake Shane]

Awesome.

[Rachel Zoe]

And like, my greatest mentor in my life, in my. In my career.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Rachel Zoe]

He gave me my first big break when I was 24, 25.

[Jake Shane]

Are you serious? What were you doing?

[Rachel Zoe]

He gave Me, the biggest job of my life. I had just gone freelance. I'd been working for a magazine. I was your age. And he called me into his office because I knew his brother Andy, and I had been pulling denim from his brother. He was doing like a JLo Denim collection. His brother Andy and Tommy called me into his office and I was so nervous. I, like, had no idea what was happening. And he basically gave me a two week massive ad campaign for his main collection, for the younger collection. The first week was shot in Austin with, like, 10 major celebrities. And the second week was out here in L. A at the Griffith Observatory with like, literally 30 male and female supermodels of the time. And I led the entire thing. And I looked at him like, why are you giving me this job? Like, I can't. I don't know that I can do this. And he was like, yes, you can. I know you can. And I didn't even know him. Yeah, like, it was. It was the most terrifying experience of my life. But I did it. And I had like 400 panic attacks on the job.

[Jake Shane]

Right?

[Rachel Zoe]

Like, but I did it and it got me ready.

[Jake Shane]

Yes. That's amazing. Yeah, but I. Yeah, that.

[Rachel Zoe]

So would you go back to fashion week? Like, I feel like you have to hit fashion Week. Yes, of course.

[Jake Shane]

If I'm invited. Of course. I always. But I'm like, so not inherently a fashionable person, but, like, that's why I want. I just. I feel so Hollywood to me. It feels so cool. It feels so, like. I don't know, I remember, like, I used to remember, like, love, like, thinking it was the coolest thing in the world when I was a kid. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, of course. Like, I would die to go back to Fashion Week. Like, it's.

[Rachel Zoe]

Something tells me you are gonna have a lot of invites to fashion week and you're gonna take your mom as your date.

[Jake Shane]

Oh, my God. My mom would die. She would die. You would die. She would just be, like, on her phone taking photos the whole time, like, thinking it was the cool, coolest thing in the world.

[Rachel Zoe]

That's my forecast for you. I feel like there's fashion weeks and mom as your day. I just. I see it. You were actually. You were born in 2000.

[Jake Shane]

1999.

[Rachel Zoe]

90, 99. Okay, so like 2000. Probably like 2000 to 2000 and probably 5. Before I moved out to LA, it was 247 Back Street, Britney in sync, Jessica, Enrique, Literally, like, music videos, album.

[Jake Shane]

Covers, touring, craz as it the time.

[Rachel Zoe]

Seemed, it was more than it Seemed it was the craziest. I would have, like a hundred racks of clothes, like, for the guy. I mean, Prada, Dolce, and this one. And I needed, like, I would have 50 racks because each guy needed, like, five changes. And they needed, like. It was the craziest. I'm pretty sure I didn't sleep for 11 years. I'm pretty sure.

[Jake Shane]

That's crazy. Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

But it was fun, and it was boot camp and it was the best. And it was. The music industry was, you know, at the height of pop culture. Just being that I was shooting covers of Rolling Stone, I mean, it was. It was really, really, really fun. It was really crazy and really fun and just, you know, it's funny, I think about it now when people ask me about it, and I remember it, like, in real time. Like, right, that happened. Right. I was in Monaco with Britney Spears when she ripped her skirt because it was too long and tore it and then ripped her T shirt because she wanted it cropped. You know, that kind of thing.

[Jake Shane]

You would do stuff like that.

[Rachel Zoe]

I would put her in couture and then she would literally, like, go into the dressing room, come out, and like, it was cropped. And I was like, that's sure. I just. I think, yeah, I did. I died. Like, I literally died. I've died 120 deaths in fashion.

[Jake Shane]

Right.

[Rachel Zoe]

For sure. Okay, so tell me hopes and dreams beyond today. Like, what in your mind is like, this the next? Or do you just try to live present? But knowing you for the last hour, I'm thinking you don't live in the present and you're constantly thinking about the next thing. I mean, I've never lived in the present, so I'm working on that still. Ever.

[Jake Shane]

It's just. It's who I am. I try, but it's like, I really want to get into acting. That's like a dream of mine. And I want to kind of turn therapists into, like, late night for Gen Z. I feel like there's no late night for Gen Z. I feel like it's kind of like, you know, I.

[Rachel Zoe]

Don'T know, people like, my parents that watch it.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah. And I like, I. I think late night is such a cool concept. Oh, it's so American. And it's so. It's been around forever. Like, I would hate to see it go away. So, like, I would love. I would love to like, kind of like turn therapist into a late night Virginia.

[Rachel Zoe]

Like the new James Corden kind of like. But yeah, yeah. Not that he's old, but, you know, What? I mean, yes, but I have a question. So does then that live on television or does in your mind, would that live on television or in some kind of other.

[Jake Shane]

I think I would. It would live on streamers in a live sense. So it would be live like two or seven times a week.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And then you could watch it after as well.

[Rachel Zoe]

Genius. I love it. I'd watch it.

[Jake Shane]

That's my idea.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay, so let's manifest that.

[Jake Shane]

I know. I'm trying. I'm really trying to manifest, like, my ideal dream would be, like, Netflix Live three times a week. Late night musical guest talent fits. Jake Shane, Late Night Live.

[Rachel Zoe]

I. I see this for you. I see this for you. Not only do I see it for you, but I actually see you, like, as the next, like, Dave Letterman. You're going to be doing it till you're 80.

[Jake Shane]

Like, I wouldn't. That's the thing is, like, I never want to stop entertaining. Like, I always just, like, I'll always want to. It doesn't feel like work ever.

[Rachel Zoe]

Jake, we like to do this with all of our guests. Rachel's gonna give you a little rapid round of questions, and then I'm gonna let you go. And it doesn't, it doesn't. You don't have to answer in, like, one word or anything. You can elaborate if you need to or you can do what?

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[Rachel Zoe]

I obviously already know the first answer. Instagram or Tick Tock?

[Jake Shane]

You know, it depends on the day.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay, that's fair. One star sign. You would never date a Leo. Fair. A Scorpio and a Leo would, like, implode. Yeah, a hundred percent. Okay. The food item you can't live without, which I think I know it's octopus.

[Jake Shane]

But it's also white rice.

[Rachel Zoe]

Interesting. Okay. Okay, that's fair. I don't think my son could live without any Netflix and chill or dance on tables.

[Jake Shane]

Dance on tables.

[Rachel Zoe]

I knew that. I, I, in my mind, I. Answer the question. Yeah, that's myself. If you were arrested, what, what would it be for?

[Jake Shane]

God, like, if it was two years ago, it'd probably be, like, doing something drunk and stupid in college. But probably, like, like drunk and disorderly. Like, I don't know. Like, that's what I would imagine.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay. Favorite beauty product.

[Jake Shane]

I use, like, Lineage Lip Mask.

[Rachel Zoe]

Yeah.

[Jake Shane]

And I like, like my road face wash. Yeah, good. Yeah, I think. And I like my drunk elephant bronzer.

[Rachel Zoe]

So good.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

So good. I love that one. Okay. Who's your hero?

[Jake Shane]

Taylor Swift.

[Rachel Zoe]

I Don't even know why everyone's hero. Okay. Favorite Tick Tocker.

[Jake Shane]

Favorite Tick Tocker. It's a good question. Trying to think of who I. Who I religiously watch. My favorite Tick Tocker is probably my best friends. I like watching what they have to post, like Brett, Julia, all them.

[Rachel Zoe]

Because you're invested in it, too.

[Jake Shane]

Yeah.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay. New York or LA.

[Jake Shane]

LA.

[Rachel Zoe]

Favorite TV show of all time, huh?

[Jake Shane]

Girls on HBO.

[Rachel Zoe]

Okay. 1989 or Torture Poets Department?

[Jake Shane]

1989.

[Rachel Zoe]

Oh, my God, you're the cutest. I adore you, Jake. I'm so happy we met.

[Jake Shane]

Me too. I'm so happy. This was so fun.

[Rachel Zoe]

So much fun. I can't wait to be your best friend. And I can't wait to hang out. And I'm terrified to launch TikTok, so you're gonna have to help me.

[Jake Shane]

Don't be. I will help you.

[Rachel Zoe]

That is a whole new world. And you know, us people with anxiety, that is hard.

[Jake Shane]

Scary changes.

[Rachel Zoe]

That is hard. All right, I'm sending you the most love. Have a beautiful week. I hope I see you soon.

[Jake Shane]

Yes, I will see you soon. Thank you for having me.

[Rachel Zoe]

Say hi to your mom.

[Jake Shane]

I will, I will, I will.

[Rachel Zoe]

Thank you so much to Jake for being on the pod. You are such a star at such a young age, and I honestly love the most your humor and transparency. I just laughed this entire episode. We had so much fun, and, you know, he taught me a lot. I feel like I am ready to embrace the very scary world of TikTok, and I'm hoping that Jake will be my new friend and hold my hand through it, because it will be a whole new world for me. So thank you so much to everyone for listening to Climbing in Heels. If you haven't already, please subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the Iheart app, or wherever you get your podcasts so you don't miss a single episode this season. And be sure to follow me on Instagram at Rachelzo and the show Climbing in Heels Pod for the latest episodes and updates. I will talk to you soon.

[Jake Shane]

You're listening to an I Heart podcast.