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Rachel Zoe
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Rachel Zoe's Son
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Rachel Zoe
Hi, everyone. I'm Rachel Zoe, and you're listening to Climbing in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration, and, of course, fun. I'm back this week after a little winter vacation with my boys and my sister. Aspen is truly my favorite winter destination, and I had the best time. And today I thought I'd fill you in on my trip a little bit. Of course. Talk more red carpet fashion from the SAG Awards, which was so good. And I will touch on my New York trip as well. Okay, here to chat with me, as always, is my pretty sir, Mary Elizabeth. So let's jump right in.
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Mary Elizabeth
Rachel Zo, welcome back to the pod.
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Rachel Zoe
Oh, welcome back to life.
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Mary Elizabeth
Welcome back to life.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay, so, girl, I left life.
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Mary Elizabeth
You. You really did, though.
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Rachel Zoe
So we talk about the flu.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yep. Okay, so for our listeners, you might recall that before Rachel went on her trip last week, we recorded an episode for you guys about Fashion Week questions. And people were asking questions like, what time does show start? What do you. How do you pack? Blah, blah, blah. That was, in fact, the last day before you took a really gnarly turn for the worse.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, I did.
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Mary Elizabeth
So Rachel can explain, but she, at the tail end of Fashion Week, got hit with the Type A flu.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. Which, by the way, full disclosure, I did not know there was a type A and a Type B. And in full disclosure, I don't know that I've ever had the flu. And also, I will say this is. And I know it's controversial for some, I've never not had a flu shot. This was the first year I didn't get a flu shot simply because I forgot. And then it was kind of felt too late, and then I just should have gotten it and I didn't. And I did New York Fashion Week very hard and very fast. And it took me Down. It just knocked me, like literally knocked me out.
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Mary Elizabeth
I have worked for you for a very long time. I've never seen you that ill.
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Rachel Zoe
I don't think I've been that ill in my entire life. I've had Covid. I've never been as sick as I was from the flu. So people that say, oh, I'm not scared of the flu. I'm here to say be scared. I have a really good immune system and I have a really high tolerance. I had to work. I had 102.5 fever, the most brutal cough. My sister, God love her, she did not leave my side for four days.
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Mary Elizabeth
Sweet Pamela Angel.
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Rachel Zoe
Pamela Angel, Pamela, literally Angel sister of life. And I'm such a germaphobe. And now I know that if she gets the flu, I'm gonna have to stay by her side with a mask and gloves because she literally did not leave my hotel room.
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Mary Elizabeth
It's payback. Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
And my trip. Well, also, I want to touch on that about the working mom thing. Cause we do talk about that a lot. And how my Valentine's Day was inarguably the worst Valentine's Day of my existence, where I had 102.5 fever. My children were across the country in LA. I was stuck in New York. We were supposed to be meeting that morning in Aspen to spend the day together in the night and be with my valentines. And I just cried the whole day. And I don't even like Valentine's Day. It even about Valentine's Day. I think it was about being stuck away from my kids, being overworked, being overtired, and just being really sick and.
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Mary Elizabeth
Having like an actual very high fever. Yes.
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Rachel Zoe
I was in a bad fever dream. Like, I know I use the term fever dream as a brushing.
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Mary Elizabeth
No, this is a real one.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, this is a real one.
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Mary Elizabeth
And you know, it's. It's. You were so sick that you had to delay your travels because you needed to get better before flying. So. But eventually you got yourself to your favorite place on earth for snow.
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Rachel Zoe
I did. And actually for summer. I mean, I've been to Aspen one or two times in the summer. It is pretty magical. I have to say. It was really nice to be out of la. I'm sorry. My Los Angeles. Angelinos.
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Mary Elizabeth
Angelinos.
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Rachel Zoe
But it was nice to be out of the air here from January and be in. In Colorado. There's a magic in the air there that just feels so clear and clean and you can drink the water anywhere. There's just something about It.
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Mary Elizabeth
There's something mentally that happens when it's.
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Rachel Zoe
Like, clear skies, clear air, clear water, clear mountains, clear everything.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah, it mentally helps.
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Rachel Zoe
The light there hits different. Yeah, like, it really does. Like, your skin's really dry and all that. Like, I always say I'm not cute when I'm in Aspen because you just, like. You, like, throw oil on your face and your hands and like, whatever. It's. It's. It's magical for our listeners.
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Mary Elizabeth
Please go look at the carousel post she did of Aspen and. And feel free to sound off on how not cute you looked. You looked so freaking cute.
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Rachel Zoe
Oh, my God. Thanks. Love.
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Mary Elizabeth
Your looks were so cute. And, you know, you are the coat queen.
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Rachel Zoe
I love coats.
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Mary Elizabeth
And the faux fur queen, vintage fur queen. So this is, like, I feel like your Olympics, in a way. It's time for you. It's the real time for you to shine.
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Rachel Zoe
I didn't ski as much as I would have liked. Like to, though.
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Mary Elizabeth
Okay, let's get into that. For those of you who might assume Rachel Zoe can't throw or catch a ball, play tennis, ski down very steep mountainsides, you're wrong. She can. It might be the only time you're climbing in ski boots instead of heels, but you posted yourself dabbling, getting back out there on the slopes. Tell us about that. Are you terrified now? Are you confident? Like, what's your mental state when you know you're gonna be going down?
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Rachel Zoe
Okay, so I started skiing when I was four years old. I did ski races advantage. I did ski races. I did double black diamonds. I was a fearless, fearless skier for most of my life. The bigger the mogul, the more excited I was. The bigger the jump. I just went. My dad used to say he couldn't video me because I never would wa. I just would go. You could not stop me. And then I stopped skiing. I think after I graduated college, I skied for a little, and then I stopped because I discovered St. Barts. The thing about skiing is, as an adult, I think you become highly aware of the consequences of what could happen. And when you're a child, you're obviously fearless. And, you know, when I was a teenager, I was, like, skiing with my boyfriends, and I was like, I can ski better than you. I can jump higher than you, whatever. And then once I became a mom, the fear became more real about, like, if I get hurt, they have no mom. And I think, you know, most moms will sort of understand that fear of, like, totally. It just becomes like, it's not about what you want to dare yourself to do. It's like, if something happens to you, they are without mother.
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Mary Elizabeth
You can't go down.
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Rachel Zoe
You can't go down. So I even feel like that when I had the flu, like, or Covid. So I think so. I didn't ski for 10 years.
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Mary Elizabeth
Wow.
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Rachel Zoe
And then when my children got old enough to ski, it started to become. And I'd made a promise to my dad that my boys would be skiers. Yes, I promised. It was like, one of the most important things is one of the most important things to my dad. And so once they started, you had.
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Mary Elizabeth
To dust off the old skis.
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Rachel Zoe
The look from those baby blues from both my boys. Mommy, you're gonna ski with us, right? Mommy, you're gonna come out and ski. Mommy, I don't wanna go if you don't ski with us. And so obviously, I don't say no. And so I went out, and I remember the first time I went out after 10 years, and the instructor was like, you remember how to hold your skis? Like pizza. I was like, okay, we're not going back that far.
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Mary Elizabeth
You're like, I can do that.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. And I got off the gun. He said, well, then it'll be like riding a bike. I'm like, I don't. And I got off the gondola and I took a left, and I went down. And I went down as if no time had passed. My body just went right back to doing what it does. The only difference is now I just don't. I won't ski blacks. Like, I won't ski locals. Now. I'm really just about skiing safely, nicely skiing with my kids, and getting to apres ski safely.
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Mary Elizabeth
I always, like, breathe a sigh of relief when I know that you're back. Because people, depending on who you follow on social media, people have been snapping ACLs left and right this ski season. So it's true, I was a little concerned, but we're glad you're home safe.
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Rachel Zoe
I did fall after sky when. When sky had his chairlift accident and he made me go out two days later with him, and I had to. I could. I wasn't looking at me. I wasn't focused on what I was doing. I was just staring at him.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
And then I fell. And then I was like, okay, I'm done here.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah. Yeah, that'll. That'll end your. Your run for sure.
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Rachel Zoe
But it was beautiful. I'm fair weathered. So now that it's like 35, 40 degrees and sunny, it is just pure magic. Like, it is pure Magic being up there. But I have to say, whoever's listening, ski boots have to be chicer. They are so not pretty. They are clunky, they hurt, and they make me really short. It's not cute.
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Mary Elizabeth
You need a lifted ski boot.
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Rachel Zoe
Maybe.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah. All right.
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Rachel Zoe
Maybe.
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Mary Elizabeth
Food for thought.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Mary Elizabeth
Okay, tell us about the Palm Tree Festival.
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Rachel Zoe
Skiing in heels.
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Mary Elizabeth
Skiing in heels. Yeah, That's. What. What could go wrong? Okay, tell us about the Palm Tree Festival because again, pending who you're sort of following on social media, a lot of influencers and people were out.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Mary Elizabeth
It was for this.
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Rachel Zoe
It was a thing.
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Mary Elizabeth
So what it. And it looks like it's a. So it's a music festival that happens annually in Aspen. It's two nights. I think two or three.
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Rachel Zoe
It's two nights and it's outdoors. It's. It's kind of behind this area by the Jerome Hotel. For anyone who's been in Aspen. Excuse me, guys. I have lingering cough. But. So it's behind the Jerome Hotel in this, like, park area. Aspen. I don't forget what it's called, but it's called the Palm Tree Festival. Little did I know, I was actually in. At the Palm Tree Festival on New Year's in St. Barts as well. Right. Like the same. The same people that.
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Mary Elizabeth
Right.
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Rachel Zoe
So I'm a little new to this. And so one of. I went with Don Julio. They had a beautiful table up in the VIP area, which for me, like. Okay, so fun fact about me, I am terrified of massive crowds.
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Mary Elizabeth
Sure.
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Rachel Zoe
I am terrified. I'm here to admit it. It's okay. You have to know that about yourself. I am a small person. I get trampled on really easily. I've never been to a concert where I was not knocked over at least once.
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Mary Elizabeth
You're not going to find Rachel Zo in the pit.
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Rachel Zoe
No, you're not going to find me in the pit. Even if those are the best seats up by the stage, you will not find me in them. Nope. And so we were up in this area that was covered, but it's still outdoors.
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Mary Elizabeth
Sure.
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Rachel Zoe
So you have to dress really warm. To me, it just meant this coat that I had brought to New York that I had not worn since it was given to me. It was a gift from Mr. Valentino. More than probably 15. Probably about 15 years ago, maybe more literally.
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Mary Elizabeth
One of my most favorite pieces.
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Rachel Zoe
And I haven't worn it archive. I have. I haven't worn it since. Since I did that shoot. And when I got it time ago.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
When I lived up in Sierra Towers. The last time I wore it, so that was like 2009.
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Mary Elizabeth
It's so good.
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Rachel Zoe
And so I don't know what possessed me to bring it, but I did. And it felt right for this. I don't know why. Yeah, so I put it on.
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Mary Elizabeth
It's your snow rave coat.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, sure. Snow rave. Snow rave. And so I went, you know, had some champagne, listened to the music. I saw a ton of people I knew. Anyone who was in Aspen was there. A lot of friends from la, some friends from New York. It was so much fun. The music was so, so good.
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Mary Elizabeth
You know who was there?
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Rachel Zoe
Mojave Gray.
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Mary Elizabeth
Mojave Gray was there. Who you like, love, but also friend of the pod, Jake Shane was there. Did you run into Jake?
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Rachel Zoe
You know what? I didn't. I didn't not run into.
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Mary Elizabeth
So. Hoping you were going to see Jake?
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Rachel Zoe
No, because Alex Earl was there and it was like a whole thing, the whole.
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Mary Elizabeth
But you know what? They. They go to the pit.
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Rachel Zoe
They go to the pit?
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah, they're. They're. They're in it.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. But I feel like he wouldn't be in the pit. Like, I feel like that would be overwhelming. Oh, no, he was in the pit.
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Mary Elizabeth
He'll get in there. Yeah. So anyways, okay, so tell us about some of your favorite music. Because this is kind of like for our little like Fleetwood Mac, Rolling Stones, babe. This is kind of a different vibe for you.
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Rachel Zoe
It's definitely a different vibe for me. But you know what's cool is that, like, I think a little bit how actors are. Like, how actors are a lot of things now, or hairstylists are a lot of things now. Like, you're not just like a one note anymore. Right. So I think what's happening. Not. I think what I know is happening is there's this movement and has been for the last several years of musicians and bands also being DJs and DJs, you know, being, you know, performers. So, like, you know, I think there's such a blend now at this point.
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Mary Elizabeth
Like Tinks is DJ.
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Rachel Zoe
Tinks is DJ.
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Mary Elizabeth
Another friend of the pod.
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Rachel Zoe
100%. I have so many friends that are DJs. But listen, I'm gonna say that, you know, Mark Ronson, very old friend of mine, you know, in our old days in New York, you know, when he was starting out, Mark Ronson was still. Is like the greatest of the greatest of the greatest of the greatest. But he was like the only DJ I knew then. Right. And of course, like Samantha Ronson and whatever, but like that was my first, like, sort of DJ moment. And now he's gone on to win, like, Oscars.
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Mary Elizabeth
He's a producer.
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Rachel Zoe
Exactly.
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Mary Elizabeth
Extraordinaire. Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
So I think the cool thing about Palm Tree is there's this sort of amazing vibe that goes on all night of, like, you know, Kygo and, like, everyone's DJing and Mojave Grey and they're DJing, but they're singing. But they're playing guitar.
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Mary Elizabeth
For sure.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, Exactly.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah. That's so fun.
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Rachel Zoe
So it was really fun. It was really fun.
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Mary Elizabeth
I have to say, we love to see you out there with a little glow stick and all that fun.
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Rachel Zoe
It was really fun. It was really fun. Drinking champagne, dancing. It was fun. My sister was living her best life. We kept running into people we knew, and then we went to the Jerome after and had drinks. Aspen was really on fire this weekend. But it was. I mean, it was really crowded. There was like, an extra, like, five or 10,000 people there.
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Mary Elizabeth
It seemed like it was packed. It was packed. Well, while you were away drinking champagne, we have to talk about the SAG red carpet.
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Rachel Zoe
We do.
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Mary Elizabeth
Because here's the thing. When I was texting you, the SAG Awards are on. Oh, my. This carpet is actually incredible.
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Rachel Zoe
Can I tell you something about SAG Awards? From my experience in my style life.
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Mary Elizabeth
I don't get why it's so good.
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Rachel Zoe
I'm gonna tell you why. Because when it started, as you go through awards season as a stylist, you know, there's the checklist, right? So before the new year, there's like, the smaller festivals, right? All over, like Santa Barbara, Palm Springs or whatever. Some of them are right after New.
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Mary Elizabeth
Year's Indie spirit was just before this.
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Rachel Zoe
Exactly, exactly. And so you have this circuit, and, you know, you're like, okay, there's like, a buildup, right? There's like, we're gonna do this one, this one, this one. They're all gonna be amazing and special, but we're saving the best one for Oscars, right? Not the best, but, like, the biggest maybe moment. Right? The biggest wow moment. And then. But SAG Awards was always the sort of, like, more inside baseball award show, so. And it wasn't. Didn't used to be televised. And so I think that historically, people played that one a little safer and a little more subdued, Right? But there was a little less pressure, I think, for the actors. So it was the one where you really was like, okay, if I just want to wear a simple column gown, I'm going to do it for SAG Right. Because you didn't want to show up. Like, look at me, look at me. Right. Because it was a little more like peer driven, right?
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Mary Elizabeth
It is. Yeah, it is. So you win based on other actors voting for you instead of some academy or.
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Rachel Zoe
Correct, Exactly. So. But what's happened over the last, like, few years is that I have loved SAG 10 times more than I've loved Golden Globes. And I don't know why that is. I think because they feel maybe a little less pressure so they all just look better or they want to have the moment amongst their peers because to them it means the most.
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Mary Elizabeth
Right.
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Rachel Zoe
You know what I mean? Like, I.
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Mary Elizabeth
That makes sense to me.
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Rachel Zoe
Well, here's the thing. So when I think about it, when I've been given my awards, right. The most nervous I ever was or the most excited I ever was was when it was a fashion award show amongst my peers. Right, Right. Because it wasn't just like a popular vote. Right. It was sort of like the people that you respect the most with the most talent are voting for you.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah, that makes sense to me. And to what your point about the sort of run of show for these award shows? Oscars are next this coming weekend and they are the end. That's the cap to everything.
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Rachel Zoe
So they figure if they haven't had the big moment, this might be their one.
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Mary Elizabeth
But also SAG awards.
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Rachel Zoe
Television.
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Mary Elizabeth
Television.
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Rachel Zoe
Exactly.
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Mary Elizabeth
An Oscars.
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Rachel Zoe
Don't.
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Mary Elizabeth
I think my favorite look of the night was Ms. Selena Gomez in a beautiful custom Celine. She's in Only Murders in the Building, which is a television show which she won for.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Mary Elizabeth
So let's talk about Selena Gomez.
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Rachel Zoe
She looks beautiful.
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Mary Elizabeth
I don't know that I've ever seen her look better.
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Rachel Zoe
She looks stunning. And Aaron Walsh styles her. And you know, listen, the other thing about Selena, she's always smiling, so she looks stunning. But this is giving full old Hollywood movie star. This is. I mean, she has the red lip, she has the cat eyes, she's got the diamonds. But the off the shoulder, this neckline is very, very vintage Hollywood. Very, you know, upset.
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Mary Elizabeth
Obsessed.
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Rachel Zoe
Obsessed. It's gorgeous and it's simple and it's clean and it's beautiful. It's like a deep navy. It looks like it's so gorgeous. She's giving leg.
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Mary Elizabeth
It fits her body beautifully. Yes. There's a little. There's a sexy slit. I'm obsessed with the bob.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Mary Elizabeth
I could never do it myself, but I am so jealous of those who.
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Rachel Zoe
Can long hair for life.
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Mary Elizabeth
And then. Please, can you explain Something to me. Why in my adult life have I never considered thought of, or for myself or for others considered a lip manicure match? Because her red nails.
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Rachel Zoe
What do you mean?
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Mary Elizabeth
I've never noticed that in my life.
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Rachel Zoe
And what are you talking about?
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Mary Elizabeth
I'm obsessed with this.
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Rachel Zoe
I am obsessive about that.
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Mary Elizabeth
Are you?
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Rachel Zoe
If you ask Jennifer Garner or any of my clients, I'm embarrassed. It would make me absolutely mental.
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Mary Elizabeth
It's like that the lip was a.
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Rachel Zoe
Totally different red than the nail.
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Mary Elizabeth
Okay, I could see that. But this is like so coordinatedly, perfectly done.
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Rachel Zoe
It's cherry red. Both are beautifully cherry red.
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Mary Elizabeth
Obsessed with this and like think it is such a beautiful, subtle pull together look.
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Rachel Zoe
There's a part of me that wants a necklace like a choker. Yeah, I'm just going to say that.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah. I mean, but her skin is so. I mean, she literally looks like Snow White.
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Rachel Zoe
But a choker that was like a thin diamond would have sat beautifully right on the collarbone.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
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Rachel Zoe
I'm just saying.
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Mary Elizabeth
And you would have gone with a shorter ear.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, yeah. Okay, listen, it's perfect. But you see, like, if we go next to Elle Fanning in custom Loewe, also old Hollywood movie star, and Elle is not only stunning, but she loves fashion. She loves to have fun with it. You can tell when she's on the carpet, she's obsessed. She's a sweetheart angel. And she actually is an angel. Like, I will just always think of her as Aurora forever. She's gonna be Aurora.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
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Rachel Zoe
Princess Aurora. But I love the choker here. And I love Sam McMillan, her stylist. I've known my whole career. I love her. And Elle always looks flawless. I love how she loves fashion. I love how she stands on the carpet. I love how she's a chameleon and does things with her hair. And like, this is seemingly very simple. Honestly, for her. It is, but it's gorgeous. Also giving me old Hollywood. I'm obsessed. The two of them, honestly. Perfect.
- [23:43]
Mary Elizabeth
And you, do you like the peplum?
- [23:45]
Rachel Zoe
I love the.
- [23:46]
Mary Elizabeth
You like a peplum?
- [23:47]
Rachel Zoe
Yes. Okay.
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Mary Elizabeth
You know, she's just such a cool girl. And I know that she's very.
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Disney Cruise Line Representative
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Mary Elizabeth
I don't mean edgy, but I mean.
- [23:53]
Rachel Zoe
She is great though. Cool. She's cool. The thing about Elle is she, you know, as I said, I think for me, people always ask me if I would style again. And I say that I would only ever do it with someone who loves fashion. Meaning someone who is willing to have fun and collaborate. Someone who wants to collaborate. Someone who is willing to not be safe all the time, you know? And Elle is someone who has really been a fashion chameleon over and over again. She loves it.
- [24:21]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [24:22]
Rachel Zoe
And I've talked to her about it. Honestly, she just loves it. And her and Sam do such great things together. And I love it. I love the necklace. I love Cartier.
- [24:31]
Mary Elizabeth
Don't you love her side part? Rachel Zell.
- [24:34]
Rachel Zoe
I love her side part.
- [24:35]
Mary Elizabeth
We're trying to get Rachel to do the side part again.
- [24:37]
Rachel Zoe
I'm like, God, I'm not ready.
- [24:38]
Mary Elizabeth
I'm just like. Like, you know, beating on that drum.
- [24:41]
Rachel Zoe
I feel like it's on her. It's cute.
- [24:43]
Mary Elizabeth
I mean, she's.
- [24:44]
Rachel Zoe
She could wear a paper bag that. Exactly. So let's keep it real. Okay.
- [24:48]
Mary Elizabeth
Newcomer, Hotness. Gorgeous.
- [24:50]
Rachel Zoe
She's stunning.
- [24:51]
Mary Elizabeth
Monica Barbaro.
- [24:52]
Rachel Zoe
She's stunning.
- [24:53]
Mary Elizabeth
She's in a complete unknown with Timothy Chalamet, the Bob Dylan film.
- [24:57]
Rachel Zoe
I love him.
- [24:58]
Mary Elizabeth
She. I love him.
- [24:59]
Rachel Zoe
We'll go back to that later.
- [25:01]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes, we will get to Mr.
- [25:02]
Rachel Zoe
Stunning. Honestly. Stunning.
- [25:04]
Mary Elizabeth
Stunning. So elegant, but sexy, youthful.
- [25:08]
Rachel Zoe
I loved this. Dior.
- [25:09]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [25:10]
Rachel Zoe
Like, I loved this. Like, every once in a while, we need a sexy dress moment, a sexy red dress moment. Like, and. And honestly, like, for a long time, I think there was too many of them. Yes. And it was like, we just kept. It was like, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Who's making the sexy red dress? And I feel like I haven't seen one in a while. And this was very. Not Dior. Like, it didn't feel. Never said Dior. No, no, no, no.
- [25:41]
Mary Elizabeth
And the color on her skin is stunning. The, like, simple, clean hair.
- [25:47]
Rachel Zoe
I loved it.
- [25:48]
Mary Elizabeth
And she's actually been named, like, a Dior ambassador. So I'm very excited to see Monica on more red carpets because she's cool. She. And she just, again, that point of.
- [26:01]
Rachel Zoe
Like, I love the diamonds. I love the thing on the. On the wrist. I love just like a cuff and a stud.
- [26:06]
Mary Elizabeth
Something about SAG Awards is, like, effortless and so good.
- [26:09]
Rachel Zoe
I'm into it.
- [26:11]
Mary Elizabeth
Another winner at the SAG Awards was, like, one of my favorite, favorite, favorite up and comers, Anna Sawai. And she won. She's been winning for her. Her role in the television. She chose Shogun. Beautiful, strikingly gorgeous custom.
- [26:28]
Rachel Zoe
Giorgio Armani Prive. I kind of knew that when I saw it. I was like, yeah, that is definitely. But it was. It was. I mean, it's very architectural.
- [26:35]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [26:36]
Rachel Zoe
I think controversial to some. You know, like, not everyone loves that thing when it's away from the body and, like, whatever. But what I loved is, to be honest, I don't think the picture does it justice. I think on the carpet in video, like, it was even better because it looks like it's almost these two things that are disconnected. One in the front, one in the back, and then it's illusion on the side. And I don't know, She's. She's stunning.
- [27:00]
Mary Elizabeth
I want to talk about the architecture moment of. Of the bust area.
- [27:04]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
- [27:05]
Mary Elizabeth
So for me, a fashion normie, some of the super architectural builds a la Schiaparelli don't do it for me.
- [27:19]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, of course. Because you. I get that it's a little too relatable.
- [27:22]
Mary Elizabeth
It's a little too left of center, right. This. I think if you're gonna do it, this is like the great compromise. It's like just enough, you know, some of these, like, front structure dresses, I feel go too high. They block the collarbone, which feels like all of a sudden they're like in a cost. Like, I don't know. I thought this is how you do it. If you're gonna go more advanced structure in a gown.
- [27:48]
Rachel Zoe
Listen, I think she's so strikingly beautiful that, you know, in a way, I would have loved a softer neckline there on her. Like, have it be a little lower, because what's happening is I want to look at her face and I'm looking at the top. I want it to, like. I would like it to be like an inch or two lower, quite, quite honestly. But I also like the severity of it, and I liked the. I liked the art of it. Honestly, I really did.
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Mary Elizabeth
She is a winner. She's going to be around forever.
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Rachel Zoe
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- [30:42]
Rachel Zoe
Osbornehomes.com okay, let's talk about Zoe Saldana in St. Laurent. She's been wearing St. Laurent most of the time this season through awards season. A lot of black.
- [30:56]
Mary Elizabeth
Like, a lot of black.
- [30:57]
Rachel Zoe
A lot of black. Zoe's one of the coolest women around. She is. She really deserves all this. And it's nice to watch her soreness. Her stylist is Petra Flannery. She's also done a lot of black and a lot of architecture and a lot of, like, necklines and colors and arm detail and all of the thing. So, I mean, I personally, I preferred her BAFTA one even more. I really loved that. That was so chic. I would wear that a thousand percent. But I love this, too. And I think she looks great. And what I love about Zoe is that she is so stunning.
- [31:31]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [31:32]
Rachel Zoe
Um, but she doesn't wear things that ever overpower or take away from her natural beauty. She, like, you know what I mean? And I think she looks cool. Yeah. And she's a mom of three boys. Yes, I know. And every time I look at her, I'm like, wow, okay.
- [31:49]
Mary Elizabeth
I saw some. Somebody online said that she was Serving like, Dallas realness. Dallas Joe. Yeah. But no, I think she's stunning. What do you think of the. What do you think of the bracelet? So she has, you know, the dress is structured. That one. There's one sleeve, and then sleeveless on the other side.
- [32:03]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
- [32:03]
Mary Elizabeth
What do you think of the bracelet?
- [32:05]
Rachel Zoe
I love it. It's like a. It's like a cuff, right?
- [32:07]
Mary Elizabeth
It's like a web cuff. It looks like sort of meshy.
- [32:09]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, I think it's perfect.
- [32:10]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [32:10]
Rachel Zoe
I think it picks up on the detail of the architectural shoulder moment, which is obviously what they were trying to do, and I like it. And I think, you know, that's the thing. When you have a one shoulder, the bracelet should always go on the one that doesn't have safe.
- [32:25]
Mary Elizabeth
You got to play opposites. Well, she was a winner. So we will see for Oscars for Ms. Zoe.
- [32:31]
Rachel Zoe
So this was funny. Keke Palmer. Not funny, but Keke Palmer invented Chanel. And obviously, I, like, lit up because I was like, bitch stole my dress. Literally, this.
- [32:41]
Mary Elizabeth
When I saw Kiki, I gasped because I was like, this dress, this vintage Chanel, looks very familiar to me, and.
- [32:50]
Rachel Zoe
It looks like in the image here is mine right behind it.
- [32:52]
Mary Elizabeth
So tell us about this gown.
- [32:55]
Rachel Zoe
So this is from 1987, I believe. This collection. Chanel collection, 1987. Black velvet. And this particular detail at the top of the dress. I have the identical dress in a different silhouette.
- [33:12]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [33:13]
Rachel Zoe
But the exact same top. And it's one of my favorite pieces in my archive. It's so special, and I'm so happy to see her wear it. She looks beautiful. Beautiful.
- [33:22]
Mary Elizabeth
She looks stunning.
- [33:23]
Rachel Zoe
It fits her perfectly. I love the gloves. I love the whole thing.
- [33:26]
Mary Elizabeth
I think it looks so gorgeous on her. Again, I love these stars going back and wearing these vintage treasures. Also, fun fact, I saw on one of the roundup shows that Jamie Lee Curtis wore that dress. Also in the 80s.
- [33:42]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, I saw that.
- [33:43]
Mary Elizabeth
So that was. That's cool. I mean, I just love this. I mean, vintage Chanel. Like, what are you gonna.
- [33:48]
Rachel Zoe
Can we have a moment for Jane Fonda and Bob Mackey? She's such a queen.
- [33:52]
Mary Elizabeth
She's.
- [33:53]
Rachel Zoe
It was Armani. Just kidding. I'm sorry. In my mind, it was Bob Mackie.
- [33:57]
Mary Elizabeth
Because it literally moves like a Bob Mackie gown.
- [34:00]
Rachel Zoe
It felt like Bob Mackie in my head, but it's actually Giorgio Armani prive, and it's beautiful. And she is such a queen. She's. I mean, everything she says, I just want to hold on to for dear life.
- [34:09]
Mary Elizabeth
I could Listen to her forever.
- [34:11]
Rachel Zoe
Same.
- [34:11]
Mary Elizabeth
She's just such a incredible force and role model. She's just the best.
- [34:18]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, so I want to talk about another trend that I really loved because, I mean, Mary, you know, in my. Probably one of the colors I probably styled most in my career was a blush nude.
- [34:31]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [34:33]
Rachel Zoe
And it's always nice to see it because I think it just looks good on every skin tone. Ariana Grande in custom Loewe. And she looked like an angel princess.
- [34:43]
Mary Elizabeth
An angel princess.
- [34:44]
Rachel Zoe
She really did. She looked. I think this was one of her most princess fairy kind of moments.
- [34:49]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [34:50]
Rachel Zoe
I still haven't seen Wicked.
- [34:51]
Mary Elizabeth
She's been, oh, you're gonna be obsessed. And the kids are gonna love it.
- [34:55]
Rachel Zoe
Do you think?
- [34:56]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes. Caius especially.
- [34:58]
Rachel Zoe
Really?
- [34:59]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes, yes. You should watch it as a family. You will be obsessed. So again, we talked about this four Golden Globes, but both Cynthia Erivo and Ariana are definitely doing this sort of on carpet character nodded that is very popular. So obviously Ms. Ariana was nominated and played Glenda from Wicked. And again, she's been wearing a lot of pinky nudie kind of dresses, but to me, this one has been the best.
- [35:32]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, she just.
- [35:33]
Mary Elizabeth
The way the shoulder strap, the. The detail of the flowers on the gown. I just think she looks so beautiful.
- [35:41]
Rachel Zoe
I agree. I really agree. I have to talk about Sofia Carson, though.
- [35:46]
Mary Elizabeth
She killed it.
- [35:48]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. And honestly, like, she knew it. You could tell how someone stands is, you know, how they feel. And I watched her on video kind of doing her red carpet moment. I was like, she knows she's shutting it down right now.
- [36:01]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [36:01]
Rachel Zoe
Like, she felt it. It's like how JLo walks on a carpet.
- [36:04]
Mary Elizabeth
She was one of the, like, host actors for the evening. She was like, one of the, like, ambassadors of SAG awards. So I think she just, like a nominated actor had the license to, like, go for it. And she did. She looked like Hollywood royalty.
- [36:22]
Rachel Zoe
She really did. And, you know, I never get tired of that. And, you know, listen, this was Elie Saab Chopard jewelry. Very elaborate. She really went for it. It feels very Oscars. This was an Oscar look to me. Yes. I'm glad she did it. Rob and Marielle are her stylists who are friends, and they are so talented. I love this look. I also love that it's a moment like. Yeah, I'm. I just. I love when there's a real Hollywood moment. And this is definitely one of them. The hair is beautiful.
- [36:55]
Mary Elizabeth
So clean and. But perfectly leans into the old Hollywood. It's.
- [37:00]
Rachel Zoe
It's also Very rare, I can tell you, in my career. I think there's so many times that a look gets destroyed by the wrong hair or makeup. And I think this was so right on.
- [37:12]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [37:13]
Rachel Zoe
You know, I think the hair, the makeup, everything was just absolutely stunning.
- [37:17]
Mary Elizabeth
I have a question for you. Let's talk about that.
- [37:18]
Rachel Zoe
Okay.
- [37:19]
Mary Elizabeth
Because both of these women, Ariana and Sophia, who wore these sort of pinky blush. Pinky blush have very understated, glamorous. Ariana has been doing this sort of like, very dainty. She's not doing dramatic eye. She's doing, like some good contour and like a. Like a pretty pink lip. But she's not going. Going big with the. With the makeup, and nor is Sophia in this. So is that how you would envision if you had a client?
- [37:49]
Rachel Zoe
I. Yeah. Because the thing, when you wear these colors, you have to. You can't. You can't wear makeup that's overpowering. Because when you're wearing something soft, you have to play off that. You still want the makeup. Right. You still want the vibe. But you can do a no makeup makeup and still have. I do think you still need a lip or you still need some smoke around the eye.
- [38:09]
Mary Elizabeth
See, that's the one little tweak for me. I would put some color.
- [38:12]
Rachel Zoe
Agreed.
- [38:13]
Mary Elizabeth
Lip or eye? Because.
- [38:14]
Rachel Zoe
But I think on Sophia, she did it beautifully.
- [38:17]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [38:17]
Rachel Zoe
She's not.
- [38:17]
Mary Elizabeth
She definitely has more eye on.
- [38:19]
Rachel Zoe
For sure.
- [38:21]
Mary Elizabeth
She definitely has more ion. And I mean, again, that necklace is.
- [38:24]
Rachel Zoe
Like, I can't 100 carats. It's insane. It's insane.
- [38:27]
Mary Elizabeth
Show part diamonds. It's literally you. If you were choking.
- [38:30]
Rachel Zoe
I also just love how she was standing, like, the whole thing. I loved this moment.
- [38:34]
Mary Elizabeth
She knows what she's doing.
- [38:36]
Rachel Zoe
Can we talk about Kerry Washington?
- [38:37]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes, of course.
- [38:39]
Rachel Zoe
Also a friend. Also styled by Robbie. Marielle. She never misses.
- [38:44]
Mary Elizabeth
Never.
- [38:46]
Rachel Zoe
She was wearing again. It was a huge night for Armani.
- [38:50]
Mary Elizabeth
It was.
- [38:51]
Rachel Zoe
And do you remember at the most recent couture, I said this was one of my most favorite Armani prive shows. Shows ever. Yes, ever.
- [39:00]
Mary Elizabeth
And here we are.
- [39:00]
Rachel Zoe
It was absolutely stunning. It was modern and gorgeous and elaborate and glamorous and I mean, screaming award season.
- [39:07]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [39:09]
Rachel Zoe
And this look was stunning. I mean, again, the perfect sort of blush. It's like a blushy silver metallic. Stunning. And Carrie. Stunning. And it was. I just love this whole thing. I love that it was sheer without being naked. Yeah. I mean, you said it, not me.
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Ryan Seacrest
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- [39:25]
Mary Elizabeth
I think. I think I would love if the sheer trend moved in this direction, because it.
- [39:30]
Rachel Zoe
Where it's not sheer.
- [39:31]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [39:31]
Rachel Zoe
Or where it's sheer, but it's. But you don't see lady parts because.
- [39:35]
Mary Elizabeth
The art can become the clothes again and the body's not the art anymore, you know? Yes, yes. But I think this, like, this overlay is so gorgeous and like, I don't know, call me crazy, but like, I feel like this is like a cool, like bridal second time round vibe for somebody. How gorgeous?
- [39:55]
Rachel Zoe
I get married in this.
- [39:56]
Mary Elizabeth
And she looks honestly comfortable.
- [39:58]
Rachel Zoe
Like, she does.
- [39:59]
Mary Elizabeth
The high neck, the long sleeve. Like, I'm sure she was like the most comfortable of the night, for sure. Or if she wasn't, she's hiding it very well. Nominee, one of my favorite queens, Pamela Anderson. Stunning in Dior white. One shoulder looking like sort of.
- [40:15]
Rachel Zoe
It's out of my archive now.
- [40:16]
Mary Elizabeth
It's. I was gonna say, I feel like.
- [40:18]
Rachel Zoe
You version of that. It's beautiful.
- [40:21]
Mary Elizabeth
She. Look, I know how you feel about the no makeup, but if you're gonna do no makeup, you crush it with the gown and you crush it with the hair. And I think she did.
- [40:33]
Rachel Zoe
She did. And she's stunning. I think, listen, I have huge admiration for her. I think coming out with a statement about just embracing her natural beauty and not wearing a stitch of makeup, I mean, that is, that is something.
- [40:51]
Mary Elizabeth
It's a reinvention of how we all have seen and thought of Pamela Anderson for years.
- [40:58]
Rachel Zoe
She does not look like a Baywatch babe in a no red bathing suit running out of the ocean.
- [41:05]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah, no, she looks very, like, happy and, like, happy.
- [41:08]
Rachel Zoe
Stunning. Confident. Yeah, I'm good vibe. And she looks stunning and I, I love her and I'm so happy for her. It's so nice to see, you know, it's so nice to see someone have that, you know, that rebirth and just kind of own who she is. And, you know, do you think there's.
- [41:29]
Mary Elizabeth
A part of her? Because we were talking before the pot about this. You said, you know, maybe like a little gloss, a little mascara. Do you think there's a. A part of her that is like, oh, shit, I've like, committed to this thing of no makeup, and now I have to turn up at every carpet.
- [41:48]
Rachel Zoe
Listen with like, moisturizer on. I think it's the same thing as women that come out like, I'm never getting Botox or I'm never doing, you know, anything to my face. And then I think when they turn a certain age, they're like, my best friend looks really good. But at the same time, I feel like, I feel like I Admire so much like, women that are like, this is me aging. This is me feeling my most beautiful, you know. You know me. I'm fighting this every step of the way. But that's me, and that's how I feel. And I think everybody is entitled to own what makes them feel the best about themselves, because you have to look in the mirror every day, you know?
- [42:34]
Mary Elizabeth
And, I mean, look, she was nominated for a film called Showgirl, where she's playing a Las Vegas showgirl. So I feel like, you know, tons of makeup, if not right. Gallons of makeup. And I feel like, you know, it's just such a way for her, as a woman, as a person, to distance herself from that version of her.
- [42:53]
Rachel Zoe
And I can tell you, truthfully, like, as a stylist, so many of my conversations with my clients over the years was sort of like, you know, if they were playing, like, a really dark role.
- [43:03]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [43:04]
Rachel Zoe
You know, they would want to come out either just like that, in that somber way and wear black throughout the entire press tour, or they wanted to go the polar opposite and be like, I've been in this dark place with no makeup, not feeling like a woman, not feeling sexy. I am giving. Let's go for it life, you know, And I'm gonna wear plunging gowns and tons of, you know, like, a red lip, and, you know, the whole thing. And so I think you really have to follow the lead of the actor of who they want to put out there, you know, who they want to put into the world. Because it's really scary, you know? It's really scary. Everybody's looking at you. Everybody's talking about you.
- [43:44]
Mary Elizabeth
Everyone has an opinion.
- [43:45]
Rachel Zoe
Everyone has an opinion.
- [43:47]
Mary Elizabeth
It so goes back to your. Your constant point of, like, styling is psychology.
- [43:51]
Rachel Zoe
It is psychology. Yeah.
- [43:52]
Mary Elizabeth
It is psychology.
- [43:56]
Rachel Zoe
Especially with women. But listen, with men, too, you know, men go through it. I can tell you that. Yeah, I've worked with a lot of men over the years, and they. They go through it, too. Who do they want to be? And trying to sort of. Try to sort of figure out how they can be a little more than they are, but not look too much, not look like they're trying. Because there's nothing worse than a guy that looks like he's trying new, you know, major ick. Major ick.
- [44:20]
Mary Elizabeth
Okay, let's move on to some more controversial outside the box looks from the evening queen. Cynthia Erivo wore vintage Givenchy couture designed by the late, Great Master Alexander McQueen.
- [44:37]
Rachel Zoe
Who I was lucky enough to meet in my lifetime, which you are so Lucky.
- [44:41]
Mary Elizabeth
So let's talk about this.
- [44:44]
Rachel Zoe
Yep.
- [44:45]
Mary Elizabeth
It's obviously not for everybody.
- [44:48]
Rachel Zoe
No. You know, I'd wear it, though.
- [44:50]
Mary Elizabeth
But that is. Of course you would. That is so Cynthia and how she has dressed this entire award season. The really fun thing about the Cynthia and the Ariana Grande of all of this is that they are nominated for part one of Wicked. There is a part two movie. So they will get to do this all over again.
- [45:11]
Rachel Zoe
Oh, my God. I'm insulting for them thinking about it.
- [45:14]
Mary Elizabeth
I know, right? So again, we have seen Cynthia wear a lot of green. The nod to Elphaba, the character she plays in the film Wicked. This is giving Tin Man. But, I mean, she is. She's such an artist, and she seeks out true art. And so this makes sense to me.
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Rachel Zoe
Listen, I have to tell you, the makeup.
- [45:37]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [45:38]
Rachel Zoe
With the look and just how she stands in it and she owns it. Like, the thing is, like, I'm in her head here.
- [45:46]
Mary Elizabeth
Yep.
- [45:46]
Rachel Zoe
I get this. I would fucking wear this. Yeah, I would. And I think it's cool as shit.
- [45:52]
Mary Elizabeth
It is.
- [45:52]
Rachel Zoe
And is it maybe the form to wear it to sag? Maybe it's for more of a fashion event. Maybe it's to wear in Paris, but to me, a vintage McQueen Givenchy moment from 1997 is a moment worth having. Yes. You know, and listen, I also have mad respect for the way that she's expressing herself through fashion in the way that she wants to do it with, giving nods to the character, you know, the characters in the film. And I think. I don't know, I just. I think she's so fucking cool.
- [46:25]
Mary Elizabeth
She's so cool.
- [46:26]
Rachel Zoe
You know what I mean? Like, I.
- [46:28]
Mary Elizabeth
She's so cool, and I love that she's obviously nominated for Oscars and we'll see her again the following week. And this is her chance. She's like, I want to wear something vintage and something amazing. And this is her chance to do it because undoubtedly she has a custom piece coming for Oscar Knight. So I love. I love the pacing of how she's. She's rolling out her looks. I think it's really cool.
- [46:48]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, now this one I don't love. Next one I don't love. I'm just here to tell you Neil.
- [46:52]
Mary Elizabeth
Deadweiler wore custom Louis Vuitton.
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Rachel Zoe
Yes.
- [46:55]
Mary Elizabeth
And we actually put up a poll on our Climbing in Hills social to see if people were in love with this or not. They were not.
- [47:03]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. I mean, it's giving lampshade.
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Mary Elizabeth
It's. You know what it reminds me of?
- [47:08]
Rachel Zoe
And I don't like to say that. It's just. For me, I just. She's so stunning.
- [47:12]
Mary Elizabeth
She's striking, so talented. She is such a good actress.
- [47:17]
Rachel Zoe
I sat with her at an event, actually. She's lovely.
- [47:19]
Mary Elizabeth
So beautiful. You know, the thing is, is that it just. When you're going for something this out there, let's say it's not showing off her beautiful body in any way, you know, and like, how do you sit in it?
- [47:35]
Rachel Zoe
I want to look. I want to look at her.
- [47:38]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [47:38]
Rachel Zoe
I want to look at her. And the dress should compliment from how.
- [47:42]
Mary Elizabeth
Beautiful and talented she is, I think, a little bit. But it does kind of give this structure of this dress. Does kind of look like. You remember miss Potts from Beauty and the Beast?
- [47:51]
Rachel Zoe
Yes. Oh, my God.
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Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [47:54]
Rachel Zoe
Yes. Okay, let's talk about guys for a second.
- [47:57]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
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Rachel Zoe
Okay. Can we talk about Timothee Chalamet all day?
- [48:01]
Mary Elizabeth
And I'm here all day to talk about.
- [48:02]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, so he's been wearing. He's been wearing a lot of Chrome Hearts by my brilliant friend Lori Stark. Laurie and Richard Stark, founders of Chrome Hearts, which is at the height of cool. My kids. There is a line outside the store in Aspen and in St. Barts, and my kids are obsessed, and they are just killing it on the carpet with customers for Kim Kardashian. And I mean, obviously Timothee Chalamet, he's just cool. And I listen, I love a guy that is gonna be fearless. I mean, we saw Austin Butler when he came through his Elvis tour and awards season wearing, like, you know, not what's expected all the time. A little Elvis y, a little Saint Laurenti, a little, you know, but Timothy, I think here, you know, we just saw him wearing all pink. Yes. To something recently with Kylie Jenner. They're so cute. Yes. And I think he's having fun. He's clearly loving the moment. Listen, he's playing Bob Dylan.
- [49:08]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [49:08]
Rachel Zoe
Like, have fun with it.
- [49:10]
Mary Elizabeth
Have fun with it.
- [49:11]
Rachel Zoe
Have fun with it.
- [49:12]
Mary Elizabeth
I think the. The Internet sort of feedback was like, of course, Timothy Chalamet can wear, like, a leather suit and, like a Cartier bolero tie.
- [49:21]
Rachel Zoe
And cool.
- [49:22]
Mary Elizabeth
I think the green through people.
- [49:24]
Rachel Zoe
Listen. I don't love the green. I would prefer that. That was white all day long. I would pay for that to be white.
- [49:29]
Mary Elizabeth
Sure. He also won. He also. He also.
- [49:34]
Rachel Zoe
I saw the speech.
- [49:35]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah. It was an incredible speech.
- [49:36]
Rachel Zoe
To be one of the greats. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
- [49:39]
Mary Elizabeth
No, there's not.
- [49:40]
Rachel Zoe
I don't think There should be controversy in that. He's basically. He was saying, like, he was basically saying, I admire the greats. I know this isn't popular to speak this way.
- [49:54]
Mary Elizabeth
Right.
- [49:55]
Rachel Zoe
But I want to be one of the greats. Like, I aspire. What is wrong with that?
- [49:59]
Mary Elizabeth
There's nothing wrong with that.
- [50:00]
Rachel Zoe
Like, that's. Why is that controversial?
- [50:02]
Mary Elizabeth
I don't think it was controversial. I think it was just. I think people. I think the response to him saying all of that has been really positive, that people are now going like, yeah, we should not be afraid of our ambitions or, we shouldn't. Especially women. We shouldn't hold back. And. And he literally stood up there and said, I want to be Daniel Day Lewis. I want to be like, you know, Viola Davis. Like, he's great. Marlon Brando without shame. And it's like, good for you.
- [50:31]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
- [50:31]
Mary Elizabeth
And he will.
- [50:32]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, by the way, it's true. Because I think as women, we're always like, oh, I want to be the. I want to be really good at what I do. Right?
- [50:39]
Mary Elizabeth
Or you don't even say that.
- [50:40]
Rachel Zoe
No, I want to be the best.
- [50:42]
Mary Elizabeth
Right.
- [50:42]
Rachel Zoe
But I will say this, for me, coming up in my career, I think everyone was like, well, what was your goals? What was your goals? What was your blueprint? And my answer was just always like, I didn't have a plan. I just wanted to be the best at what I was doing. And the thing is, it's so subjective, right?
- [50:57]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah.
- [50:57]
Rachel Zoe
Because people always like, oh, you were the this or you were the that. And it's like, well, there also could have been a lot of people that were like, she fucking sucked.
- [51:03]
Mary Elizabeth
Sure. Like, that's life.
- [51:05]
Rachel Zoe
Right? I hated her fucking styling. Right.
- [51:07]
Mary Elizabeth
Like, so I'm sure some people saw him play Bob Dylan. True Die Hard Dylan people and were like, no, not for me. However, he, like, committed five years of his life to stunning and then playing and shooting as Bob Dylan. So I think he's incredible. I think his. Again, he can wear whatever he wants. He's also a fashion guy. Like, he's not afraid. He's out here to take risks.
- [51:28]
Rachel Zoe
I also love that he speaks French fluently. That's hot. I'm sorry.
- [51:33]
Mary Elizabeth
He's. Yeah, he's the it boy.
- [51:35]
Ryan Seacrest
I mean.
- [51:35]
Mary Elizabeth
And he's going to be around forever. Love him. Okay. Drew, man.
- [51:40]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. Drew Starkey.
- [51:41]
Mary Elizabeth
Mr. Drew Starkey.
- [51:42]
Rachel Zoe
And Valentino. New Valentino. Alessandro Michele. He's on Outer Banks. For those of you that don't know him, he plays Raph. Rafe.
- [51:52]
Mary Elizabeth
He's very handsome.
- [51:54]
Rachel Zoe
He Is very handsome.
- [51:55]
Mary Elizabeth
We pulled this look. People are very confused by a scarf worn in place of a traditional necktie.
- [52:07]
Rachel Zoe
Okay. I'm gonna say.
- [52:08]
Mary Elizabeth
So what is going on here?
- [52:10]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, so here's the thing. One of the things I find the hottest on men is when instead of a tie, they might do, like, an ascot. Traditionally, it's called more of a scarf, but it's tucked into the shirt when it's open.
- [52:21]
Mary Elizabeth
Right.
- [52:22]
Rachel Zoe
I find that extremely hot. It's very European.
- [52:25]
Mary Elizabeth
It's very vibey.
- [52:26]
Rachel Zoe
It's very vibey. You know, I love that moment. Yes. I'm not someone that's obsessed with ties. I'm not someone that's obsessed with bow ties. However, why PTSD? This one. So Alessandra McKelly, who used to be at Gucci, has now taken over as the creative director of Valentino. And the jacket, the shirt, the pants. I actually love the pants.
- [52:53]
Mary Elizabeth
I think so. I love.
- [52:53]
Rachel Zoe
The pants are great. I love. I love. Like, it's somewhat sulgy, but it has a seam, which I love. I love the cuff. I love the way the jacket fits. I think it's great. The scarf as a tie is not working for me. I think that Alessandro Kelly always has a little bit of camp, and I think this is just one of the new things that he's brought to the Runway. And understandably, people don't love it necessarily. It's too long.
- [53:23]
Mary Elizabeth
Don't you? Yeah. Don't you think it's a proportion thing?
- [53:26]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. But also, like, I wouldn't put red there. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have that be red. I'm more tonal giving, like, political guy. Yeah. I mean, a red tie right now. I'm also a little sensitive.
- [53:36]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah. It's just the blue with the. I don't know. It's giving. Like, it just.
- [53:40]
Rachel Zoe
It ruins it for me. It ruins it for me. But he's gorgeous. The look is gorgeous. Minus the scarf tie.
- [53:46]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes. And I think we can just give a general shout out to the men in Hollywood taking chances these days, they're not all in black anymore. They're taking chances with color and shapes.
- [53:59]
Rachel Zoe
I love a guy who has style.
- [54:00]
Mary Elizabeth
I mean, Kendrick Lamar wore flared jeans.
- [54:03]
Rachel Zoe
You know, I loved that moment. I loved it. I love a man in flared denim.
- [54:07]
Mary Elizabeth
Yeah, I think so.
- [54:08]
Rachel Zoe
I do. Like, why not? Like, I feel like at Coachella, we're going to see a lot of guys in flared denim.
- [54:13]
Mary Elizabeth
I think you're right. I definitely think you're right.
- [54:15]
Rachel Zoe
I'm here for it. You know, I've always been. I've been here for it. I mean when Hedy Slimane took over Celine, I mean everyone was in.
- [54:22]
Mary Elizabeth
Yes.
- [54:22]
Rachel Zoe
And I'm, I'm, I'm here for it. You know that I will, I will die in a wide leg or a flare.
- [54:29]
Mary Elizabeth
We know it. We know it.
- [54:30]
Rachel Zoe
Granted it has to be Chanel, but.
- [54:32]
Mary Elizabeth
Well, here we go.
- [54:34]
Rachel Zoe
I think, you know, bury me and Chanel.
- [54:36]
Mary Elizabeth
Bury you and Chanel.
- [54:37]
Rachel Zoe
Flares bury me and Chanel.
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Lenovo Representative
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Mary Elizabeth
So coming up on Hollywood's biggest night, the Oscars are right around the corner. Thoughts and prayers to all stylists, makeup artists, hairstylists, hairstylists, jewelry lenders, dress steamers, everyone. Social media capturers. Thoughts and prayers with everybody going into the big, big, big red carpet. We're excited to see it.
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Rachel Zoe
Until post Oscars, we will talk next week about all things thank you so much for listening to Climbing in Heels. If you haven't already, please subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the Iheart app or wherever you get your podcasts so you don't miss a single episode this season. And be sure to follow me on Instagram at Rachelzo and the show Climbing in Heels Pod for the latest episodes and updates. I will talk to you soon.
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