Cheryl Hines | Club Random with Bill Maher

Summary

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Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode: Cheryl Hines | Club Random
Date: November 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features actress and author Cheryl Hines (Curb Your Enthusiasm, Unscripted) joining Bill Maher for an open, fun, and sometimes intimate conversation about marriage, political culture, social media, showbiz hypocrisy, health, personal growth, and more. True to Club Random’s format, Maher and Hines keep it freewheeling and candid—exploring everything from the pressure of living in the spotlight to political tribalism, relationship dynamics, cancel culture, vaccine debates, and why women love true crime. The episode is laced with spontaneous humor, self-deprecating stories, and a mutual curiosity about what keeps people connected despite differences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Marriage, Individuality & “Defending Bobby”

Starts ~[02:00]

• Cheryl Hines on being criticized for her husband (Bobby Kennedy) and the importance of differentiating herself from his views.

  • “She made it plain that she doesn’t agree with everything. That’s gotta be enough when you’re in a marriage.” — Bill [08:32]
  • “A lot of people are just mad that I’m married to Bobby… People are just mad.” — Cheryl [08:57]

• Maher praises Bobby Kennedy’s willingness to stand up for beliefs despite the social or familial cost.

  • Maher notes the pain and fallout public partners face when attacked for their spouses’ opinions.

• Cheryl discusses how Bill's defense during a media controversy became meaningful to her and even made it into her book.

  “At the time, I was like, wow, this is so crazy… when you came out, I was like, oh my God, Bill, I love you.” — Cheryl [15:27]

2. The New Blacklist: Cancel Culture in Hollywood & Politics

Starts ~[15:40]

• Maher and Hines discuss how Hollywood, once the champion against the 1950s anti-communist blacklist, now enforces its own “woke” blacklist, especially against anyone seen as ideologically non-conforming.

  • “It’s a town that loves to romanticize the period in the ‘50s… but they have their own kind of blacklist now.” — Bill [16:00]

• Both bemoan “compassionate” liberals turning intolerant and mean, particularly on social media.

  • Maher and Hines agree that assuming everyone on “the other side” is evil or unworthy of dialogue is toxic.

3. Political Purity, Relationships, & The Art of Compromise

Starts ~[13:33]

• The messiness of marriage and the impossibility of agreeing with your spouse on everything.

  • “Any relationship… sometimes you just have to say, okay, I will get through this moment, and we know who we are to each other.” — Cheryl [14:25]

• Notable Quote:

  “Sometimes when you’re married, you just have to eat shit… you’re not wrong.” — Cheryl referencing Bill’s monologue [14:08–14:20]

• The hypocrisy of “anti-bullying” activists using bullying tactics themselves.

4. Meeting Trump & Dispelling Stereotypes

Starts ~[17:24]

• Both discuss surprising private encounters with Donald Trump:

  • Hines: “He really likes to listen to people. He’s very curious.” [17:49]
  • Maher: “He looked in my eye… waited until I finished. Even when it was contradictory, he never got blustery or mad about it.” [19:00]

• Maher shares the story of Trump signing his own list of previous insults directed at Maher, noting that Trump, despite his flaws, has no permanent enemies and is unexpectedly flexible.

5. Media Echo Chambers & Self-Censorship

Starts ~[49:17]

• Both critique the way partisan media covers (or omits) nuance, leading to a culture in which “we each have our own media.”

  • Cheryl says she now watches NewsNation to get both sides; Maher says he reads The New York Times and the New York Post for balance.

• Notable Quote:

  “It’s only when I read them both like, okay, now I fully understand the situation.” — Bill [49:40]

6. Women, Relationships, and the “Leather or Red” Debate

Scattered throughout; highlights around [03:15], [44:47], [53:31]

• Humorous debate around Maher’s dislike of red clothing on women and “thick, loud clothes like leather.”

  • Hines jokes: “What if you walked in, it was like red leather, head to toe?” — Cheryl [70:09]
  • Maher: “Red clothes are even worse. …all I can think of is Nancy Reagan. Republican women iconically wear red.” [43:45]

• Playful banter about wardrobe choices as political statements and personal taste.

7. Show Business, Social Status & Hypocrisy

Starts ~[67:25]

• Maher contends Hollywood is full of “very talented, not that bright” people fearful of taking risks outside the safe consensus.

  • “If we were readers, we’d be a different category. We’re actors.” — Bill [67:45]

• Both point out selective outrage, especially when political “teams” close ranks to protect their own.

8. Pandemic, Public Health, and Vaccine Skepticism

Starts ~[103:02]

• Broad discussion of how COVID policy, the “feelings vs. facts” debate, and public health messaging exposed flaws on all sides.

  • Maher recounts being labeled anti-vaxx for advocating skepticism: “I’m just pro-skepticism about anything medical.” [118:44]
  • Both lambast dismissing natural immunity and the performative aspects of public health responses.

  “There’s nothing more sort of bargain-basement medicine than natural immunity is the best.” — Bill [104:38]

• Hines: “I’m always saying to [Bobby], you have to think about people’s feelings when you’re talking about this.” [104:58]

9. The Allure of True Crime for Women

Starts ~[109:00]

• Hines explains women’s fascination with true crime as “comfort viewing” because the formula reveals the truth and delivers justice (usually the husband did it).
  • “And you go to bed feeling, like, great. And Bobby’s like, how do you feel good about the murder? …You don’t get it. You’re a guy.” — Cheryl [112:28]

10. On Age, Experience & The Limits of Change

Starts ~[129:03]

• Discussion of ageism, Biden, and whether there’s a “right” time to step aside—Maher has always been “an avenging angel against ageism,” but the Biden experience complicated his stance.
  • “So don’t automatically make a rule, like, at 75… Some people at 75 are great, some people are old at 50.” — Bill [129:29]

11. Personal Growth, Regrets, and Life’s Real Pleasures

Starts ~[75:03]

• Maher reflects: “I have probably more regrets about that part of my life [relationships] than any other part… the stupidity reigned so late.” — Bill [76:47]

• Both agree that as one matures, conversation and genuine connection rival sex as the greatest pleasures in life.

  • “I’ve said to people… I hate that I have to decide between kissing you and talking to you.” — Bill [78:03]

12. Notable Running Joke: The “Morning Show” Pitch

Recurring throughout, especially [80:06], [133:03]

• The two riff repeatedly on the idea of launching a morning talk show called “What I Did for Love,” “Fester,” “Spit Take,” or “Your Tits Look Great”—complete with gags about wardrobe, crew exhaustion, and TV stereotypes.
  • “We are destined for a morning talk show!” — Bill [86:12]
  • “That will be the name of our talk show: Your tits look great.” — Bill [93:34]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Liberals in theory are supposed to be compassionate. …There was nothing compassionate about what he said about you.” — Bill Maher [13:33]
• “Sometimes when you’re married, you just have to eat shit…” — Cheryl Hines [14:10]
• “The Republicans have been very kind to me from the beginning… I can’t say that for the Democrats.” — Cheryl Hines [27:11]
• “You could have waited until you saw how I reacted after the dinner, which was—I never stopped criticizing him. I have the tapes to prove it.” — Bill Maher re: Trump [13:00]
• “If you can, get with a 20 year old. …No, but I’m just saying, I don’t know what I’m saying.” — Bill Maher (laughing, on the hypocrisy of age-gap relationship judgments) [57:02]
• “Serious people talk to each other and accept that you’re gonna get to this point where you don’t agree. Again, the marriage thing—very comparable to politics.” — Bill Maher [58:45]
• “Everybody’s a monster till you talk to them.” — Bill Maher [59:44]
• “If your tits look great, let’s say it. Let’s just fucking say it.” — Bill Maher [93:31]
• (Joking about club rumors)
  Cheryl: “The rumor for so long was that you would masturbate into a sock before a show.” [87:19]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:42] Cheryl Hines enters, discusses relationship with Bobby Kennedy, politics and marriage
• [08:17] Maher talks about standing up for Cheryl amid media attacks
• [13:33] Discussion on liberal hypocrisy & compassion
• [17:24] Maher/Hines on meeting Trump in person—unexpected experiences
• [27:11] Cheryl: Republicans’ kindness vs. Democrats' meanness
• [49:17] Media echo chambers and getting both sides
• [75:03] Personal regrets, relationships, and growth
• [78:03] “Deciding between kissing you and talking to you”
• [104:20] COVID policy, natural immunity, vaccine skepticism
• [109:00] Why women love true crime
• [129:03] Ageism, Biden, and experience
• [133:03] The “morning show” running joke
• [142:46] Bill Maher on obesity, health, and COVID

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is fast-paced, improvisational, and deeply personal with both Maher and Hines sharing self-reflection, life lessons, and plenty of off-color humor. Instead of avoiding tough or controversial subjects (marriage strife, political tribalism, the pandemic, cancel culture), the conversation underscores the virtue of curiosity, the necessity of compromise, the dangers of groupthink, and the value of authenticity—even (or especially) when it’s messy.

Cheryl and Bill demonstrate that dialogue, even about hot-button issues, can be civil and illuminating when mutual respect and humor are present.

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Final Note

A quintessential Club Random episode: probing, irreverent, intimate, and effervescent—a reminder that the best conversations weave together deep truths and big laughs.

Transcript

[Bill Maher]

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[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, I'm just gonna say this to you because just the two of us in this, no one's listening.

[Bill Maher]

I just wish Bobby could stop saying the things I can't defend. You know what I mean?

[Cheryl Hines]

Do you have something in mind?

[Bill Maher]

And Cheryl I know is here.

[Cheryl Hines]

Hi.

[Bill Maher]

Don't get up.

[Cheryl Hines]

Don't get up. Okay, I won't get up. I'm all pending.

[Bill Maher]

Adore you from here. You look awesome. How are you?

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm good. How are you?

[Bill Maher]

Look, I tried to find Halloween colors because it's right before Halloween. Oh, your book in October. Your book already thought we get right to the plug. Yeah, unscripted. Okay, we will get to that. I'll just hold it up. The whole show in front of my face.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, thank you.

[Bill Maher]

But this is as close as. I don't have any orange clothing.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, I think orange would be too much.

[Bill Maher]

I think it's always too much as clothing. Orange, orange, or. I do not like red on women.

[Cheryl Hines]

You don't?

[Bill Maher]

No. And I've had a number of women over the years. There's been a lot of try to.

[Cheryl Hines]

Impress you with red.

[Bill Maher]

Well, they think men are like a bull.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And you know, if you wear it tracks, it attracts like blood red lingerie. Such a turnoff to me.

[Cheryl Hines]

I did not know that.

[Bill Maher]

Well, why would you?

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, we've never talked about it until now, but I'm glad to know. I am glad to know. But that's odd, because I wonder if. But there. Because lingerie stores, it's mostly black and red. No.

[Bill Maher]

Well, no, there's like powder blue. You know, I like those kind of pastel.

[Cheryl Hines]

Something soothing. Right.

[Bill Maher]

Just to even out my intensity. Exactly. No, I don't know that that's why. But I just like, you know, I don't like thick, loud clothes on women. Like, I don't like leather or.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, I'm wearing leather. Awkward.

[Bill Maher]

No, no. I mean, it looks great on you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Backtrack. Okay. Thank you.

[Bill Maher]

It's almost like fun, but like some.

[Cheryl Hines]

S and M type of a. No. You like that?

[Bill Maher]

No, I'm just someone who, like, I might be like, touching during the night, you know, like you're at a roof.

[Cheryl Hines]

You don't need this in the middle of the night.

[Bill Maher]

It's just.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm trying to get to the bottom.

[Bill Maher]

Of it just too. It's too thick, you know, like, you can't.

[Cheryl Hines]

You want to feel somebody.

[Bill Maher]

The woman.

[Cheryl Hines]

You want to feel the woman.

[Bill Maher]

Right. You understand?

[Cheryl Hines]

I get you. I totally get you.

[Bill Maher]

I know you do. And I'm so glad you're here. Let's.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm so glad to be here. I've been dying to talk to you. I feel like we have a lot to talk about.

[Bill Maher]

We certainly could.

[Cheryl Hines]

We certainly could.

[Bill Maher]

We have a lot in common. I think we do. And, you know, you gave me a great subject about a year ago to talk about when they attacked you, and I was more than happy.

[Cheryl Hines]

I really appreciate that.

[Bill Maher]

It was a labor of love.

[Cheryl Hines]

I really appreciated that.

[Bill Maher]

A labor of love.

[Cheryl Hines]

I mention it in my book.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, great.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, that's fantastic. The book. Are you talking about Unscripted by Cheryl Hines?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Wow. You really held up well. You look fantastic both in person and on the COVID Yeah, you look just the same as in the COVID Thank you. This is on the book. And that has to be something. And we live in an age of hairbrush. The least of it talking about filters and, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Then you see someone in person. You're like, whoa, whoa.

[Bill Maher]

The things that young girls I know find. They must find attractive because I know, you know, not too recently, but not crazily long ago. I remember some girl I knew, she was on the younger side and would send me pictures of herself that were like. I'm like, wow, you think this is attracting me that you look like a fucking science project?

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, just like two.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. Like, I don't think it's something she actually did to herself. Although I don't really don't remember. I didn't know her very well, but I think it was just more like the filter or like whatever. Well, whatever it is, it was like.

[Cheryl Hines]

It looked like a real person by the time it gets to you.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. And obviously I'm thinking, obviously you think this is attractive.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. But you would like to see a.

[Bill Maher]

Poor or a. I like to see a human.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Bill Maher]

You know, and women are beautiful. We don't need to like. I mean, and they do it so young.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. That is. It is sad.

[Bill Maher]

Right?

[Cheryl Hines]

Sad. And I think it is because of social media. Right.

[Bill Maher]

Um, I don't know. You have a kid around that age?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, I have a 21 year old daughter.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, yeah. 21 is an interesting age for women.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I feel, you know many at that age.

[Cheryl Hines]

I bet you do.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. No, over the years, I'm saying, I'm.

[Cheryl Hines]

Not saying right now you're.

[Bill Maher]

I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm not saying anything but no way.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm not pinning.

[Bill Maher]

But it was like, I feel like women have a brief period when they're wild. You know, girls just want to have fun. Remember that song?

[Cheryl Hines]

I do.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. That's true. But it ends like fairly quickly. Like by the time they're 25, they know what's up. They know what's up.

[Cheryl Hines]

I got better things to do.

[Bill Maher]

Right. And I'm not experimenting anymore and I'm, you know, and maybe thinking about, you know, the one and suddenly, you know, it's like they get to be a mature person, an adult by 25, a woman. Whereas a man is a boy until.

[Cheryl Hines]

Could be till he dies.

[Bill Maher]

Who wouldn't know better than you?

[Cheryl Hines]

With that. I'll take a sip.

[Bill Maher]

No, I'm just saying there's some men in your life who are.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, Bobby was here. I love him.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, he loves you.

[Bill Maher]

I hope so.

[Cheryl Hines]

He does.

[Bill Maher]

You know, I've done my jokes.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know.

[Bill Maher]

I've also done a lot of things in support that most people have not.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's true.

[Bill Maher]

You know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I think he has some amazingly good ideas and he's Gutsy, like almost nobody else is, you know, as far as, like, I will lose my family for what I believe in.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I will lose friends. I said to him when he was here, I said, I don't think your father would agree with you on everything you're saying, but I think he'd be very proud of you for the way you stand up for what you believe in.

[Cheryl Hines]

I agree. Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And, you know, one of the points I made in the thing I did about you was that, you know, she made it plain that she doesn't agree with everything. That's gotta be enough when you're in a marriage.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. It was. It was. I mean, it continues to be sometimes, but. Yeah, when a lot of people are just mad that I'm married to Bobby.

[Bill Maher]

They're just mad, Cheryl.

[Cheryl Hines]

They're just mad. People are just mad.

[Bill Maher]

They're just mad. I know it's you today, it's something else tomorrow.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's true.

[Bill Maher]

They just. You can tell in their vitriol, you know, what made that piece, I thought so much better was that it just happened to be after the Democratic convention and that week. And the person I went after hard was Bradley Whitford, who was just, what a. And like, I say, I thank you also because it gave me a chance to, you know, say this. You know, when people ask me why should think about the left these days, I'm like, well, I'm not a Republican. That is not going to happen. But this level of obnoxiousness that did not exist in the old liberals that I remember, you know, this level of vitriol. And it was right after Obama and Clinton had got up at the convention and made their plea by saying, I forget Obama's exact words. But it was like, we have to stop scolding and shaming. We have to stop seeing people as the worst of what they are if we just disagree on one issue. I mean, it was. And I remember saying in the piece to Bradley Woodford, did you go to the bathroom when he was. Because it's almost like he's speaking directly to you for what you said about Cheryl, which is, you know, she must burn in hell.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because, yeah, it was weird. I mean, I talk about it in the book because I was trying to stay off social media. I tried to, but, you know, you get sucked in every so often. But I woke up and people were texting me like, whoa, this guy's such an asshole. And I thought, oh, you know, I had a lot of guesses who the asshole could be. I did not I did not think it would be Bradley Whitford. I was like, whoa, why is Bradley Whitford coming at me?

[Bill Maher]

Because that. It could have been. It was him, but it could have been and was other people. I mean, this town is a bunch of people like that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, I get basically the same thing in different forms. I know they are not big thinkers. I'm sorry. I say it all the time here. People in show business, their talent is awe inspiring.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

They're not that bright, with notable exceptions, but they're just. They're not. And they think they are because they're very talented.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's the problem is, you know, somebody sitting in their chair thinks that they could do better on the Hill. It's like, well, then go on the Hill and try to make change. But you're just sitting here criticizing everybody else. It's. It's. Yeah, but acting like you, you know, better. You would do better. They're all hard jobs that people are doing in dc. Really hard jobs.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. And a lot of them are sincere. Some of them are not. But even Trump, you know, do I agree with most of it? No. And I hear from him still complaining and bitching and moaning even after I had, you know, I got the same kind of shit you did when I went to dinner from your TV husband, especially.

[Cheryl Hines]

That was. Have you talked to him since then or. It's none of my business.

[Bill Maher]

I haven't.

[Cheryl Hines]

That was crazy that he came after you. That was such a.

[Bill Maher]

Well, a Hitler. Like, once you play that Hitler card. First of all, you've lost me.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, it's. First of all, it's from a Jew. It's so insulting to anyone who was actually affected by the Holocaust. And I see now that Jimmy Kimmel has offered. He said, I would love to have Trump on as a guest. Is he a Hitler talker, too? Is now Jimmy Kimmel right for even saying that. It's like, besides the fact that, you know, you could have waited until you saw how I reacted after the dinner, which was. I never stopped criticizing him. I have the tapes to prove it.

[Cheryl Hines]

But the fact that you shared the same air was enough to make people crazy.

[Bill Maher]

Shared the same air is the perfect phrase for it. That's exactly what it is. And that's. To get back to this point, is exactly my problem with the left these days. That fucking attitude. I think in the piece, I call them liberals in theory. I define liberals in theory as liberals supposed to be compassionate. That's their big thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

And accepting everyone as who you Are.

[Bill Maher]

There was nothing compassionate about what he said about you or the simplest kind of compassion, which would be to understand that in a marriage, not everything the other person does or says is gonna be what you do or what you approve of. And to make the marriage work, you sometimes have to just. What marriage doesn't go by that rule?

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. You have to compromise. You have to step back and talk and listen and say, okay, that drives me crazy. But.

[Bill Maher]

And sometimes just eat it.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. That's what I remember, too, about your monologue. Really made me laugh. It's like sometimes when you're married, you just have to eat shit. And I was like, you're not wrong.

[Bill Maher]

You're not. And everybody who's ever been married knows I'm not wrong. I've never even been married. And I know I'm not wrong.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because any relationship. Because any relationship, if you have kids, if you have a boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever it is, it's like at some point, sometimes you just have to say, okay, I will get through this moment, and we know who we are to each other, and that's what really counts. But that's what was weird, too, about his tweet, where he said a great. What? There's something about like, great, great job, Cheryl.

[Bill Maher]

Great, great job. Wait. A way to wait. A good example for the kids.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, for the kids, you know, it's.

[Bill Maher]

Like, shut the fuck up.

[Cheryl Hines]

For the kids, it'.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. Another one of their liberals. In theory, they hate bullying. It's just the worst thing in the world. Except when.

[Cheryl Hines]

When they do it.

[Bill Maher]

Except when we're putting your head in the locker, then it's always acceptable because we know what the truth is. So whatever we do to the other person.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it was all very odd.

[Bill Maher]

It's just ugly. Ugly.

[Cheryl Hines]

But I really appreciate it. Oh, my gosh.

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

At the time, I was like, wow, this is so crazy. You know, it got a lot of pickup. People were writing about it and talking about it, and I. You know, I didn't want anything to do with it to begin with, but when you came out, I was like, oh, my God, Bill, I love you.

[Bill Maher]

I love you back. And I hope I'm not the only one. I'm sure I'm not. I think it would be a tragedy. Although I wouldn't be surprised if it's the case that you would lose jobs, because this is. It's funny. It's a town that loves to romanticize the period in the 50s when there was a blacklist. And as they should, because it was a terrible blacklist. But they have their own kind of blacklist now. It's not like they aren't sort of recapitulating that when it was a witch hunt about communists. Now it's a witch hunt for people who. Who aren't woke enough. You know, it's not like we're conservatives.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's the thing. It's like I. That's what's crazy. That's why I feel like I have a lot in common with you. Because, yeah, that's who I have always been and I've always been. I don't know. I try not to judge people and I am curious about people and if somebody has a different opinion, I interested in listening to it.

[Bill Maher]

But, yeah, right.

[Cheryl Hines]

These. A lot of people do not. Like you said, if you're sharing the same air with somebody.

[Bill Maher]

But again, people who are basically on your team, like I always say to my woke friends, we voted for the same person. You're just. Why she lost.

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, the whole election was cuckoo birds.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. I was the first one to point that out about Trump. But he's not. You see, this is the thing he signed when I went in with.

[Cheryl Hines]

What is that?

[Bill Maher]

That's every insult he's ever said about me publicly. I had him printed out and he signed it, God bless him.

[Cheryl Hines]

He's diabetes.

[Bill Maher]

But I earned every one of those. You know, it's not like I was ever deceived before or after I had dinner with him and I want to have dinner with him again. I think he needs more people and he likes talking to people.

[Cheryl Hines]

He does. That is exactly what somebody was just asking me about when I met him, what surprised me the most. And I said I was surprised that he really likes to listen to people. He's very curious and what he does.

[Bill Maher]

They hated when I said that again, because I'm just telling you what happened. Should I lie?

[Cheryl Hines]

I guess so. I guess.

[Bill Maher]

Right. He kicked me in the ball under the table and then, like I knew he would. He threw the spaghetti against the wall when I raised the sub. No, no, he listened. Yeah. I think he actually wants more people around him for stimulating conversation.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I was very surprised and mentioned it again. They hated me for it. That as opposed to so many important people I've met who, when you talk to them, you don't feel like they're really listening. They're kind of like, you know what I mean? And then when they answer you, it doesn't quite track.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, they're just waiting for their turn to talk.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. Or they're just On a different level. I mean, these are show people, too. I've had that. But I didn't get that with him at all.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

I got a guy who looked in my eye, was listening to what I said, waited until I finished. Even when it was contradictory, when it was an, he never got blustery or mad about it. You know, he said some things that I don't agree with and some things that I think are just, you know, plainly not right. Like, you know, third term. Yeah, I think you could do it. I'm having people look into it. No, you can't do it. And you can have people look into it from now until the end of time. It's like 12 words in the Constitution. You can't do it. But he didn't get mad.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

And then I also made the point that, you know, I went home that night and I was getting into bed in 60 minutes. I taped it, and there he is in 60 minutes and he's, like, ranting and raving. I'm like, who's this guy? Yeah, this is not the guy I met. So I'm just the reporter here. I'm just telling you.

[Cheryl Hines]

This was my experience.

[Bill Maher]

If this is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, find a way to work with Dr. Jekyll.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Or Mr. Hyde. I forget which one. Yeah, one of them you want to work with.

[Cheryl Hines]

One of them's good. One of them's nice, and one of them's not. And I couldn't tell you either. But, yeah, I think it's, you know, it's a matter of style, his leadership. A lot of people hate it so much that no matter what he accomplishes, like the day they. The hostages were freed.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. I.

[Cheryl Hines]

Bill, I thought, awesome. I thought. I woke up, I turned on the TV because I wanted to see if it was actually happening. And it did. They were all released. And I thought, this is the thing that's going to bring people together because everybody. Everybody wanted that. And I didn't hear. I didn't hear people celebrating it.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, I did. And got shit from a lot of media for it. I forget who said their headline was something like, bill Maher spent six whole minutes praising Trump for. Okay, well, it was a panel with two other people. So three of us were talking. Six minutes on the subject. Isn't really that outrageous. It was kind of the big story of the week.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's a huge story. It's still a huge story.

[Bill Maher]

It was Mark Cuban and Andrew Ross Sorkin, two really smart guys, and me. And yes, we were all Kind of in agreement, credit where credit is due.

[Cheryl Hines]

Not be in agreement with that.

[Bill Maher]

Because it's about their feelings. It's about how they feel, Cheryl.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Even not about what really happened.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know.

[Bill Maher]

How does it make them feel? Not good. Because Trump did something good, you know, and it's like, I just don't. I'm not gonna live in that world.

[Cheryl Hines]

And it wasn't just something good. You know, this was what people have been.

[Bill Maher]

I said that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Fighting for. They've been trying to do this forever. They've been, you know, I was reading Kamala Harris book, and.

[Bill Maher]

Would you lose.

[Cheryl Hines]

A bet that really made you do a spit?

[Bill Maher]

Seriously, There's a sentence I never heard after Pass me the anvil. I was reading Kamala Harris's book, and they say you're not liberal enough, people. She's reading Kamala Harris's book, Give the woman a break.

[Cheryl Hines]

But she was talking about, you know, the hostages and that, the whole situation, and she was basically saying, it's impossible. Just we tried, and it's like, well, right. But it seemed impossible. Yes. And then it happened, and both sides were released. It wasn't just, oh, this side got fooled. And there. That was when I really. I lost a lot of respect for some people.

[Bill Maher]

I lost that respect a while ago. But to that point, you know, if you're in the wing of we don't breathe the same air, and how dare you talk to the president.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

Why? What, am I going to elevate him? Oh, my God. When's he going to become President of the United States?

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

There's no there there to their argument. And here's a very good counter argument. The Middle east deal shows that, especially with him, everything is personal relationships.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

If you don't get that about him, you're just screaming into the wind, I hate Trump more than you do. That's all they have.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

Wow. You win the beat a dead horse contest.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, it's true. It is. Even like the Middle East. He is. And you're right. And it goes back to when you meet him in person and he listens, and he really does want peace.

[Bill Maher]

That's one definite plus with him. Yes, I learned that at the dinner.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

But you also see it in the actions. He really hates war.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

Now, look, I mean, I'm an Obama guy. When Obama said, I'm not against all wars, I'm just against stupid wars. That's more my position.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I hope that Trump, you know, first of all, you know, I was not for his plan with Ukraine, which Was, I can get a peace deal. Yeah. Surrender. Give Putin everything he wants. And it still didn't work. It just shows it works someplace. Now, you just come back from China. You know, I think. I don't think he's handling China. Right. I think he thinks we have more leverage with China, and China has all the leverage. But in the Middle east, it worked. And part of the reason why is because they did have those personal relationships. Yeah. Jared Kushner, you know, I mean, I know some of these deals with Bahrain and whatever are probably a little sketchy, and they're gonna make a lot of money for the family. Okay, I get it. But you know what? We're living in the world we're living in, and the people who, like, are on their high horse. I mean, look, the head of Saudi Arabia did chop off a reporter's head. It's no doubt about it. And for a year, Biden was. I don't talk to you. And then he had to, because it's Saudi Arabia. It's bad that he should cut off a guy's head. But. But he's also modernizing the country. And these are the kind of mature. Yes. Difficult kind of compromises that mature people make. And Biden was there a year later fist bumping the guy that he said he wouldn't talk to because you have to, because it's. So.

[Cheryl Hines]

You're a leader of oil.

[Bill Maher]

They have the oil, and they're the counterweight to Iran. We need to talk to them. And the Trump crowd is. They just don't play that game. They don't pretend about anything. Some of it goes too far, and they sound semi or sometimes a little more than semi racist. And they. Lots of stuff. I fucking hate that they do. I said when he got elected, I said, I'm not gonna pre. Hate anything. And then two weeks later, I went, here's a list of things I hate. There's things I hate.

[Cheryl Hines]

That must be true with every president, though.

[Bill Maher]

No, not to his degree.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay.

[Bill Maher]

His sins are much more existential. Mostly about democracy and ignoring court orders and, like, you know, I don't like ice, zip tying children and throwing them in vans. There's plenty to complain about. And I have, and he's noticed, you know, and I'm not going to go into what's going on, but, you know, I hope to have dinner with him again. And, you know, he definitely doesn't like it when you critique him and thinks you're being unfair, but he is willing to listen.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And he totally is not, because I You know, had dinner with him and then didn't become a Trump. Trumpist. He will yell at me, but does not want to cut me off. Does not want to cut me off. Which is something I cannot say about the left. Well, they want to cut you off.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, that is true because the Republicans have been very kind to me from the beginning. Even from the beginning when, when Bobby was, was running as a Democrat. They were, they were, they weren't mean.

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

And they never have been.

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

And, and I can't say that for the Democrats.

[Bill Maher]

I agree. And it's a, it's sad because it's not the Democrats we grew up with.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And that's the difference that people don't, I think, see, they're like, why did you turn on the Democrats? Well, first of all, I didn't. Like I said, we voted for the same person. But I'm not going to pretend I don't notice how different they are, how mean they've become.

[Cheryl Hines]

Very mean.

[Bill Maher]

And also like often just bereft of the facts. I mean like you don't get it about Israel for sure. You know, I mean there's some real terrorist happy people in the party that's supposed to be, I always say just the fact that the social justice warriors do not make gender apartheid their number one issue. The fact that so many women in the world, yes, mostly Muslim, but not all just Muslim, are beyond second class citizens, just chattel really. The fact that that isn't your number one issue. You already lost me. Israel has it made mistakes. I'm sure it has. Blah, blah, blah, lots of. But we're talking about who is oppressing and being oppressed the most in the world that you should care about and be protesting about. That would be it. Women who are basically treated as second class citizens at best.

[Cheryl Hines]

And what, and instead what do you think they're focusing on?

[Bill Maher]

Israel.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

Somehow the Jews are. It's one thing can unite the left and right, kind of keep an eye on the Jews. 15 million people in a world of 8 billion. But boy, they get a lot of attention.

[Cheryl Hines]

And you know, it goes back to the president who is willing and able to speak to both sides, to wants peace, wants to figure out solutions. I mean, not necessarily in the, in the women's rights department.

[Bill Maher]

I would say that is his bane and his boon. I mean, yes, he's a guy who looks at things that are amiss, at least in his view, but I often agree with what he assesses as something that needs correcting. The border needed correcting. Well, now even the Democrats, Bernie Sanders was out there in the news and Pritzker, the guy who's going to run for president governor of Illinois, both saying Trump, Trump was right. Biden fucked it up and he got in there and he fixed the border. I mean that's pretty amazing when you got people like that saying, okay, you did the right thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

I see this.

[Bill Maher]

So most of the other things, like I agree, are colleges insane. Have elite colleges gone out of. Yes, that's the mouth of the river for all this crazy woke shit that that's where it comes from. And lots of other things where he just. NATO did need to pay more. You know, he identified a problem mostly, you know, or at least largely he has done things which I wouldn't do as the solution, you know. Was government bloated? Yes. Should we bring in Elon Musk with the chainsaw? No, no, that was not the issue.

[Cheryl Hines]

He didn't like the style of that.

[Bill Maher]

I didn't like that people were killed, hurt for no good reason.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

And that's just not the way. And if there was any silver lining to that one, it was that we found out that actually a lot of the administrations have, when they got in, really took a hard look at where the waste is.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And it's not as much as we thought. It really isn't.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, when other people looked at the waste or. No, because there was a lot of waste.

[Bill Maher]

Elon did.

[Cheryl Hines]

There was a lot of waste.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, but not where they cut it. The waste is like in the Pentagon.

[Cheryl Hines]

Not necessarily.

[Bill Maher]

Really? Where do you think it is?

[Cheryl Hines]

It's all over the world. You know, it's funding that we are funding for other countries. You know that there's some.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, there's some crazy shit.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, there's some crazy shit.

[Bill Maher]

No, I remember, I think Bobby did testify about this and there was stuff in the hhs, but that's an enormous bureaucracy. That's Health and Human Services. He's not just head of the CDC or the FDA. This is health. And this is what, $180 billion or something in this. These are lots of agencies.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, but that is a sprawling budget. I mean, he must come home with like fucking tons of work.

[Cheryl Hines]

He does. Yeah, he does.

[Bill Maher]

But you does he take it home?

[Cheryl Hines]

He's pretty good at, I don't want to say leaving it at the door because that's not necessarily true.

[Bill Maher]

But what time does he come through the door?

[Cheryl Hines]

It depends on the day it really. But you know, there are calls and things going on all hours of The.

[Bill Maher]

But you're living in Washington?

[Cheryl Hines]

For the most part. Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Like in a great place in Georgetown or something. Yeah, Georgetown's awesome.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's so great.

[Bill Maher]

I remember I stayed there for a month when I was making the Academy Award winning movie DC Cabin.

[Cheryl Hines]

Mm. I'm sorry, I haven't seen that. But now. But now I'm curious.

[Bill Maher]

It was a big hit though. 1983. Mr. T. I love Mr. T. Gary Busey.

[Cheryl Hines]

Love Gary Busey.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, some very, very, very fine people in there.

[Cheryl Hines]

Were you guys cab drivers?

[Bill Maher]

We were cab drivers. Exactly. In Washington, D.C. and what did you know?

[Cheryl Hines]

Everybody's secrets. Because they were talking on the phone. No. People didn't have cell phones then.

[Bill Maher]

No, But Cheryl, what haunted us was the idea that maybe whatever dreams we had for another life were not gonna come true. And maybe we really were cab drivers.

[Cheryl Hines]

Ah, that was.

[Bill Maher]

I wanted to be a musician.

[Cheryl Hines]

But you couldn't.

[Bill Maher]

Well, I just.

[Cheryl Hines]

But you couldn't.

[Bill Maher]

You know what? At the end.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, you did. You played the guitar.

[Bill Maher]

No, no. At the end I realized it's not so bad to be a cab driver because we were a family.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, you guys.

[Bill Maher]

Of cab drivers.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. How would you. When would you see each other? At the station?

[Bill Maher]

Absolutely.

[Cheryl Hines]

Just hang out till you got a coffee.

[Bill Maher]

Of course. That's exactly how it went. Now they're making D.C. uber. It's different. People don't know each other and we'll.

[Cheryl Hines]

Never see each other. They text.

[Bill Maher]

Exactly.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

But I stayed in Georgetown for a month.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really beautiful.

[Bill Maher]

I really loved it. I mean, that's just such a cool neighborhood.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it's a beautiful city.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, it's high end, but there's also something a little bohemian about it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

You know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it's a little. You can wear jeans there. I find in D.C. a lot of.

[Bill Maher]

Not a lot of jeans. Jetta's not a jeans town. Absolutely not.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's been tough.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, we're trying to get Fetterman into jeans instead of the carpet. It'll be a step up from the.

[Cheryl Hines]

Shorts, but yeah, it is. It's a buttoned up town.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, so buttoned up. I used to love playing it for the show because the crowd is politically hip. But after the show, I never found the party.

[Cheryl Hines]

Maybe it's a little looser now. I've seen some races. Well, not your type of party. Let's be honest.

[Bill Maher]

I remember doing the correspondence dinner one year in the 90s, you know, when you're the new set on the block. And it was just terrible because half the audience just can't be seen laughing at something that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. That you're making a joke about their work, their team.

[Bill Maher]

So it's just a shitty crowd. And every year they try to get a political comic, and every year it's a disaster. And they should not. Every year. Stephen Colbert, who I do not like, and he doesn't like me, and that's fine. But the year, I give him credit for that, the year he did it in front of Bush, was a genius performance, a great use of true satire, but generally it's a disaster. They should just get a juggler or somebody who's apolitical.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right, Right.

[Bill Maher]

They think they can put. They can shoehorn politics into that, but it doesn't work. It really.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's not funny. It's like, no, I tried to get that bill passed for two years and you're making fun of it.

[Bill Maher]

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[Cheryl Hines]

I know, because now, like an insider, you know, I see things from a different perspective and it's like, what? Just, you know, counting votes and. Do we have your support?

[Bill Maher]

The minutiae.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. And it's like we. And even like the humans.

[Bill Maher]

Horse trading.

[Cheryl Hines]

Horse trading. And tomorrow a lot of stuff is like popping off every day. Like tomorrow we're making an announcement.

[Bill Maher]

Bobby has to do that. Like, he has to do that kind of horse trading with senators and congressmen to get their support on shit.

[Cheryl Hines]

I wouldn't say he does horse trading, but, you know, something like favored nations drug pricing, you know, that was not easy to do.

[Bill Maher]

Favored nations drug prices.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. So the president and Bobby. It was really important to the President that Americans don't pay more for pharmaceutical drugs than other countries. So we've been paying sometimes 100% more, 500% more.

[Bill Maher]

There's no laws about it.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

It's crazy.

[Cheryl Hines]

And so to get that to happen.

[Bill Maher]

What to happen? So we're fixing that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Oh, well, we've had big pharmaceutical companies come in and say, yes, we're doing it. We're not gonna charge Americans more than we charge other.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. I read about Pfizer.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, Pfizer. I mean, what. That's amazing that they, you know, that these companies are coming forward and saying, yes, we'll do it, because, you know it's gonna be, I don't wanna say a loss for them, but when, you know, a drug price was $1,200 and now it's gonna be $200.

[Bill Maher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

Like somebody somewhere is having this shift. So things like that, you know, where it's. You're.

[Bill Maher]

But we're really doing that. It's going to happen.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, it's happening. It's already happening.

[Bill Maher]

Okay.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. And it's going well.

[Bill Maher]

That's another one.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. I'm mad about this.

[Bill Maher]

Not just not mad, but how about give credit?

[Cheryl Hines]

Celebrate.

[Bill Maher]

No, if they did it, because that certainly has been on the Democratic wish list forever. As it should be.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I remember when Obamacare was first getting off the ground, the first thing they did was have the pharmaceutical companies in because they understood if we don't have some support from these motherfuckers, nothing is happening after that. And so people, of course, the purists, there's always the cowardiest people in the world because it's so easy to be a purist. We're like, oh, he's making deals with farmers. Yes, he's making deals. That's how it's done. Because nobody gets everything. And Obamacare, you know, we should have had a public option. We shoulda, shoulda, shoulda.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And this is what's practical. This is what was possible. The art of the possible is what they say politics is. I mean, it passed by one vote.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about, you know, being an insider looking in, where it's like, this person needs this to happen to say yes to that thing. And, you know, calls are going back and forth, and sometimes you don't even know if it's going to happen until the press conference. And you're. It's.

[Bill Maher]

And you see this because he's like, on the phone while you're in the room.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, I see it because I know that it's on the table. I mean, it's not a secret. You know, that's not a secret that they. That it was really important to give favored nations drug pricing, poor Americans, but also politicians, famously.

[Bill Maher]

And I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Talk to their wives. You know, I think. I think Trump talks to Melania a lot. I think she's quite influential. I don't have any, like, hard evidence of that. I just, first of all, there's just been a huge change, you can see, in the fact that they like each other. Again, there was a period where, you know, remember the slapping of the hand.

[Cheryl Hines]

But by the way, I read Melania's book, and there was a reason for that, the slapping of the hand, because she said that they were walking on a, you know, pathway on a sidewalk, and then it became narrow, and she wanted him to go ahead of her and he tried to hold her hand, and she, you know, was just like, I'm gonna walk behind because there's not enough room on the sidewalk. So she talks about that in her book, and she talks about. Yeah, but people came after us and said, can you believe this? And it's like, what is she, you know, if she spent time addressing everything that people said. And she also talked about, you know, she supports a woman's right to choose. And she said a lot of things in her book that, of course, I.

[Bill Maher]

Think he talks to her a lot. Yeah, I think he really. I think it's very unreported, and I'm just guessing, but it's what my impression is that he actually goes to her for counsel and that she is a moderating influence, as is Ivanka, probably.

[Cheryl Hines]

I would.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, you know, it's good to have women.

[Cheryl Hines]

Good to have women around you. That's why I came on your show, Bill. I wanted to tell you that it's always good to have women around you, whether they're wearing leather or red lace. You know what? Just let them be.

[Bill Maher]

Red clothes are even worse. You know who? You.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really?

[Bill Maher]

Well, all I can think of is Nancy Reagan. Oh. Republican women iconically wear red. Oh.

[Cheryl Hines]

So even just you looking at a red dress, you're like, no, Republican.

[Bill Maher]

No. This is way before maga. I didn't like a red dress. I just feel like a bull. I'm telling you, it's like, oh, you're going to run at this. Because it's like, look over here. It's just not a sexy color.

[Cheryl Hines]

I think you might be alone in this.

[Bill Maher]

I don't care. Why should I care? We're all alone in our taste.

[Cheryl Hines]

We are. And we should be as we should be. We shouldn't be judged for it. Like I'm judging you right now.

[Bill Maher]

I'm not. No, I mean, it's color. Who gives a shit? Who gives shit? It's like saying, why don't you like mustard? Cause I don't.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Cause I don't. Get off my back. I know. I think I thought about that, too. When Bobby was announcing that he was running, I really thought, oh, what color am I gonna wear? Cause do you have to think about.

[Bill Maher]

You mean for the announcement?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, for his announcement.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, there's a lot you have to think about.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, you cannot walk out of the house without your armor on. I'm guessing. I mean, psychologically. Am I wrong?

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, you're right.

[Bill Maher]

You have to be like. Because, you know the press. I know people think they're nice. They're not your friends, and they're not trying to be your friends. Their motto is, I didn't come here to make friends.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I came here to get a scalp on the wall, and if it's yours, so be it.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's not my problem. I'm doing my job, man.

[Bill Maher]

I'm just a hunter with a rifle, and you're just a deer in the head.

[Cheryl Hines]

And you knew you were walking out.

[Bill Maher]

In the field, and you knew it.

[Cheryl Hines]

You knew it.

[Bill Maher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

It was a risk you took and how it Worked out. No, it's true. It's true. You know, when you don't know. I'm not even a politician. You know what I mean? I'm not even a politician. And people.

[Bill Maher]

Well, when you're the wife of Bobby Kennedy, you are de facto, to a degree. You are a politician. You just, you know. You can sing the song. What I Did for Love.

[Cheryl Hines]

What I Did for Love.

[Bill Maher]

What show is that from? Oh, it's a great song, right?

[Cheryl Hines]

Is it the. You sing it. What I Did for Love.

[Bill Maher]

I'm too stoned to sing because I can't hear it in my head. No, but it's a great. You know the song. You know what song? It must be from a Broadway show. I feel like it's definitely from a Broadway show.

[Cheryl Hines]

Somebody here must know. No.

[Bill Maher]

Well, we don't. We don't.

[Cheryl Hines]

You won't let them in?

[Bill Maher]

We're the only ones here.

[Cheryl Hines]

Thank you.

[Bill Maher]

That's what I love about this show. We're the only ones.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. Nobody's around.

[Bill Maher]

You know, this is. We're going back to the time when people didn't look things up. We don't know who. If we don't know what Broadway show.

[Cheryl Hines]

Then we don't deserve. If we don't know it by now, we don't deserve to know.

[Bill Maher]

Will come to us.

[Cheryl Hines]

He'll come to us.

[Bill Maher]

It will come to us. Lettuce.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know now I feel like I need to know. I'm gonna let it go. What's it all about? Alfie Noel.

[Bill Maher]

But it would fit you. You could sing that song because you've given up a lot for love.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, I think we all do. But this is a very particular situation. This is very specific. That I didn't see coming.

[Bill Maher]

Any political wife gives up a lot for love.

[Cheryl Hines]

Or husband.

[Bill Maher]

Or husband, yeah. You mean the Almost First Gentleman? Did you know him?

[Cheryl Hines]

No. No. Doug.

[Bill Maher]

Doug Emhoff.

[Cheryl Hines]

That sounds right. I don't know. I just read the book. I think that's his last name.

[Bill Maher]

I think Doug Emhoff has heard the words that sounds right about him many times in his life. Anyway. Doug Emhoff. Who? Look, I'm sure he's a very nice guy. I don't know why I have to bring this up, but we're talking about him. But he was credibly accused of sexual misfeasants, shall we say, during the campaign.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Bill Maher]

Really? That never got on your radar?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, there was a lot of other crap on my radar.

[Bill Maher]

Well, that just shows you when the left wing Bubble wants to close the wagons and make you not see it. No, look, I'm not saying he did anything that should have disqualified her in any way, but they just did cover it up. And it was very similar to other things that they have blown crazy out of proportion. It seemed credible. It was in Cannes. He was on a date. It was before Kamala, and he just acted, like, in a terribly rude, horrible, misogynistic way. And it was just like, no, no, he's her husband. We don't see that. You know, they did him on Saturday Night Live in sketches, and it was just like, oh, kind of boring, you know, Doug, your sweet dog. And like, that thing was just when they want to disappear a person or an idea.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

They take that very seriously there. I know Trump disappears people into vans, and I'm not for that. But you can disappear an idea.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, well, especially if you control the media.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. And look, they have a lot of the media, too. It's just that we each have our own media.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes. And that's all people watch. They watch the one that they like to hear what they're saying. I know. It was really during the.

[Bill Maher]

What do you guys watch?

[Cheryl Hines]

I, you know, I like News Nation. I like News Nation because it's my boy Cuomo. Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Love him.

[Cheryl Hines]

I do, too. And I like that they, you know, talk about both sides.

[Bill Maher]

Exactly. And the Free press does that. Yeah, I love that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

It is very hard to get both sides. I, you know, I read the New York Times and the New York Post because, like, it's amazing. It's only when I read them both. Right. Like, okay, now I fully understand the situation.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, that's what I have to do. When I watch the news, I'll have to watch cnn, and then I'll have to watch Fox News, and then I'll have to figure out, okay, what's up?

[Bill Maher]

No, watch my show, because I will give you both in one show.

[Cheryl Hines]

By the way, that's what I love about you. Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Thank you.

[Cheryl Hines]

I love.

[Bill Maher]

I will give you both in one show.

[Cheryl Hines]

You're like, here's what's happen.

[Bill Maher]

Here's what.

[Cheryl Hines]

I hate hearing this.

[Bill Maher]

Right. But here's the real.

[Cheryl Hines]

But this is what's happening.

[Bill Maher]

Here's the real on both of them. There's a lot to be said about both of them. And.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. And it's odd that there's not more of that. It's odd that there's not more of somebody just reporting the news instead of. There's such a lot of feelings in the news.

[Bill Maher]

There's such a cognitive dissonance between the news and our actual lives. Like, if you absolutely could, like, block out all the news, if you didn't even know who the President was, I would guess your life is pretty sweet. You live in Georgetown. You're married to an exciting guy.

[Cheryl Hines]

That is true.

[Bill Maher]

He is.

[Cheryl Hines]

He is. He's fascinating.

[Bill Maher]

I mean. I mean, and exciting people are going to be flawed.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's true.

[Bill Maher]

You know, mine's is true. I mean, Hillary never left Bill. I always thought she was great for that. And she. There was some point along the way, and they asked her when she was talking about it, and she said, yeah, you know, I think she literally said the words, he's a hard dog to keep on the porch. Which is awesome if it's true. And even if it's not, it's still awesome.

[Cheryl Hines]

But she said, I mean, it doesn't sound like something she'd see. She said, strike me as somebody who says, like, my mama used to always.

[Bill Maher]

Say, well, she did live in Arkansas for a long time. We could look it up. But we're not going to do it now.

[Cheryl Hines]

By the time we're done with this, we're going to not think about the.

[Bill Maher]

Porch and the dog both be canceled by the time we're done with it.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's true. They're not going to let me back in D.C. either, when we're done with it.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, but she said, Bill, she said, you know, it was a long time ago. I don't want to, like, mangle her words, but the essence of it was, I've never met a more interesting person in my life. So, you know what? Go fuck yourself. I'm gonna stick with the person who I, you know, there's nobody I'd rather talk to shit about. And, you know, and I think what she was thinking is, like, you know, in time, he will calm down. What?

[Cheryl Hines]

I like that you're. I like that you spend so much time thinking about what Hillary Clinton. I like that you're really, like. You took those words in and you're like, I know what she's saying.

[Bill Maher]

Cause I think it applies to me.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know what she's saying.

[Bill Maher]

Cause I think it applies to me.

[Cheryl Hines]

In what way?

[Bill Maher]

You know, I think in time, he will calm down.

[Cheryl Hines]

Have you calmed down? You calm down.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. And there is someone who I give a lot of credit for thinking that about me.

[Cheryl Hines]

That you've calmed down.

[Bill Maher]

That I would calm down.

[Cheryl Hines]

I never said I thought you would calm down. You're the one that just said that.

[Bill Maher]

No, I'm just saying I give a lot of credit to someone who, like, had that faith. Like, I think at some point he will calm down, but. But you don't want to be completely calm because then you're boring.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's right.

[Bill Maher]

So, you know, I'd rather have the interesting part. I mean, life's short enough and like, let's. Let's be there for the interesting parts. And like I say, the reading, the news, you can get yourself into a lather of anxiety. But your actual life. Yeah, if you didn't know. You're wearing great clothes. I love the leather.

[Cheryl Hines]

Don't back that up.

[Bill Maher]

It does really look. It does really look good.

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, no, that was the first.

[Bill Maher]

Time I was a great outfit.

[Cheryl Hines]

I don't like women in leather.

[Bill Maher]

It's a great outfit.

[Cheryl Hines]

You meant like a leather bikini?

[Bill Maher]

I meant like, yes, like a leather.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's really thinking about this.

[Bill Maher]

Okay.

[Cheryl Hines]

But no, I do have a good life. I have a great life.

[Bill Maher]

And a lot of people do and many don't. And we care about them.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And that's compassion. And that's like. You know, the Republicans definitely lack a certain chip for compassion in general.

[Cheryl Hines]

They do, which is strange because that's what I always thought that was the backbone of.

[Bill Maher]

Republicans.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, Democrats.

[Bill Maher]

Democrats. Democrats. It is the backbone, but it's not feel.

[Cheryl Hines]

But it doesn't. It's not feeling like that.

[Bill Maher]

Their head is up their ass on so many things that they. Their. Their goal is compassion, and they wind up doing the reverse. Great example. We live in California. M. They were very compassionate about the environment, and so they made it a law that you couldn't, like, fuck with this. Some kind of shrub that was going to be endangered if you. And it was like brush for the fire. And the fire caused actual more pollution. I don't know if you have one of those little dials in your home that tells you the quality of the air, but this week it was horrible.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, really?

[Bill Maher]

Yes. I mean, like, when it's fine, it's a little man who's green grinning. And then if it's pretty, if it's getting a little worse, it's like, he's yellow and like, uh. Oh. And then if it's bad and this whole weekend in orange.

[Cheryl Hines]

And what are you supposed to. You're not supposed to.

[Bill Maher]

Well, I don't know what that's from.

[Cheryl Hines]

Is that. But Is that.

[Bill Maher]

But the fires. Yeah, I've read the stats. The pollution from the fires was worse than, like, any worse than all the cars. And it reversed like 20 years of progress that we did by, you know, affecting the car situation or making it better. I mean, so like you can just stupid your way to the opposite effect, you know, and there's a lot of that because it's just very important to these people that they are seen as the good people. So they just wind up having the reverse effect. I think often well meaning as they are. But it's just very, very, very important to them to be seen as the good people. And what they're willing to do to get that reputation sometimes is counterproductive.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's true. And they can be very judgmental. I mean, I guess both sides can, but.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, of course, yeah, absolutely.

[Cheryl Hines]

But if it's somebody who's who all your life is telling you they accept everybody, no matter who they are, they're perfect the way they are. And then suddenly it's like, except you're not great. He's not great. Don't talk to that person. They're not.

[Bill Maher]

You're very hypocritical about heterosexual relationships that are age inappropriate for the people who are supposed to be all accepting. Well, I was born that way. This is what my body is telling me to do.

[Cheryl Hines]

What, do people give you a hard time? You don't have to answer.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, they do. And I don't give a fuck if they do.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm sure you don't.

[Bill Maher]

This is what my body is telling me to do.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, I'm honoring my body.

[Bill Maher]

And by the way, it's what 90% of men's bodies are telling them to do.

[Cheryl Hines]

You're just acting on it.

[Bill Maher]

Get with a 20 year old. That's what their bodies are. If you can, if you can and. No, no, but I'm just saying, you know, I don't know what I'm saying.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, you were saying, you were saying that, that this group is, is saying that they accept everybody who they are and then you're dating a younger woman.

[Bill Maher]

And it's like the most judgmental people in the world again.

[Cheryl Hines]

And which is, which is okay. But then don't act like you're not this.

[Bill Maher]

Which so for 12. So frustrating about the times we live in. Like politically I am more with the Democrats and the liberals, especially on the issue of, you know, democracy and trying to preserve it. But on the other issues, they just, they just get under my skin, the left so much. Whereas the right, you know, you could have this conversation and you know, all my friends on the right, Kid Rock who brought me to the White House, people like that Dana White Trump himself. All these people, you can have these conversations. Charlie Kirk was here. All these people, you can have these conversations and come to that point. I remember when Dana was here, when all of them were here. Probably we get to that point where we're kind of yelling at each other, and then I always take it back down, and by the time they leave, we're all great friends.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And they're okay with that?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

The left isn't that way. No, they're more like, no, if you're not with me, I fucking hate you. And you're a deplorable. Or you're with the deplorables, or you're talking to the deplorables, or you had dinner with Hitler or something.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know.

[Bill Maher]

And it's just like. It's like you people are so. You're such babies. Such babies. You're not sophisticated people. To quote another show on our network. You are not serious people. Serious people talk to each other and they accept that. You're gonna get to this point where you don't agree again. The marriage thing, it's just this. It's very comparable to politics. There are things you're just gonna go, I don't know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, I agree to disagree.

[Bill Maher]

What the fuck? But can we. Can we fix this together?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And can you not hate me? And if you don't hate me, maybe I'll. You know, let's just. You know, let's just. I see that we have Marjorie Taylor Greene on our show Friday.

[Cheryl Hines]

That'll be interesting.

[Bill Maher]

Very. On Halloween, by the way.

[Cheryl Hines]

I've met Marjorie, too, and I. She was very nice. I mean, you know, people are gonna be mad at me for even saying that, but she's like, my line is.

[Bill Maher]

Everybody'S a monster till you talk to them.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Well, no, I'm not saying she's a monster either, but.

[Bill Maher]

Yes, but I'm saying she's a monster. Till you talk to them.

[Cheryl Hines]

Till you talk to them.

[Bill Maher]

And then they're not.

[Cheryl Hines]

And then they're not. Cause they're just people.

[Bill Maher]

Cause they're people.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, during the election, I rem. When, you know, the primaries. Right before the primaries. And it wasn't clear who was going to be the nominees, especially Republican. Although at one point it was like, oh, very clear it was going to be Donald Trump. And I remember talking to one of my friends who said, can you believe it? And I said, I can. And I said. And I said, and I think what we should be talking about is half of the country really supports that. Really supports Him. So why do they. And she was like. Looked at me like I just had given her a little tablet of poison. I said, have I said something? And she was just like, how could you even say that?

[Bill Maher]

I know.

[Cheryl Hines]

I was like, oh, well, aren't you curious? Like, Right. Why aren't you curious about. Are you.

[Bill Maher]

Do you think there's any. Any part of that answer that might be in the mirror is what I would say to the. You know, any part of the answer. Not the whole answer. Yeah, I agree.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

But just any part of an answer that might be in the mirror. Because I remember after the election and, you know, I won't say who, but a very respected editor, iconic even. And his comment was, well, we're not as good a people as we thought we were. Half of our people are bad people. I mean, that was the right paraphrasing. That was the takeaway from the election. Half of our people are just bad people. We're the good people.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

And we know who the good people are. Okay, but.

[Cheryl Hines]

And so everyone knows.

[Bill Maher]

And what we have to do. That's me.

[Cheryl Hines]

We want to make sure that they.

[Bill Maher]

What we have to do is make sure that the good people own and destroy the bad people. See, both sides think that they don't want to compromise. Both sides.

[Cheryl Hines]

I agree.

[Bill Maher]

I just want to own you and destroy you, which is a great strategy. Left wingers. Until they're the ones who completely own and destroy you, which they now have. I mean, there's no checks on Trump. Okay, so you. Yeah, yeah. Somebody got owned and destroyed and it was you. So maybe that wasn't the greatest strategy.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

But now they're doubling down on that, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Who's that doubling down?

[Bill Maher]

The woke people who will, you know, the people who thought it was great that Larry said that I was Hitler for having dinner with Hitler or whatever. Whatever. I didn't even read it, but I got the gist of it. I'm Hitler or I'm having dinner with you.

[Cheryl Hines]

You're having dinner with Hitler.

[Bill Maher]

It's fine.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because he's.

[Bill Maher]

And they thought to the people who just want to beat the dead horse of. I hate Trump more than you, and that makes me a better person. Great. Again, I have the thing with 56 insults, so I think I can come to this fight.

[Cheryl Hines]

Did he read those?

[Bill Maher]

No, I read some of them to them at the time.

[Cheryl Hines]

And I'm sure he laughed and also said, oh, he did. Don't say that.

[Bill Maher]

You know what he said? I was having some of these because, you know, another Thing. He does laugh. I know he never laughs in public, but he does laugh. I mean, like he was laughing when I was, you know, dopey dummy, terrible student, not considered smart. No mojo, nervous, low life dummy, so called comedian. Not a smart guy. Better than Salmanex. Feel like a dog, fired like a dog. I mean, the fact that somebody would have in their head if I tried to come up with 56 different ones, I couldn't do it.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

And he just went, you know, it was different times.

[Cheryl Hines]

And you said it was yesterday. The last one's from yesterday, not different times. Yeah, he does have a sense of humor, which, by the way, I'm sure.

[Bill Maher]

That also he said something in the press that got not a lot of coverage, but I thought it was very telling and I thought it was very real about six months ago when he said, what people don't get about me is I have no permanent enemies. And when you think about it, a lot of the people he fired, he brings back, you know, they've been on the outs, they're on the ins. For all his bad points, he's very flexible.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, there could be, there's a bad side to that, but like, there's also a good side to that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And like, I think he's right. I don't think he has permanent enemy. I'm a perfect example. For years it was just this, you know, he would talk about it at the rallies, like there's this lunatic, there's this lowlife dummy, this highly overrated, increasingly boring comedian in court.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm sure he talks about your ratings.

[Bill Maher]

I'm a fuddled mess. His show is dead guy.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, right in the heart.

[Bill Maher]

And you know, he says that I'm not going to give up power. And then of course he didn't give up power. Didn't faze him at all that I, the thing he was complaining about actually happened. You think he's gonna run in 20, 20 80? They keep talking about we're gonna find something.

[Cheryl Hines]

It does seem highly unlikely, but also.

[Bill Maher]

How'S Bobby getting along with him these days?

[Cheryl Hines]

He gets along with him really well still.

[Bill Maher]

So there was no, I mean, there was for a minute there was talk in the press that some, I forget what it was, but something. Maybe it was just they made up a story that Trump was like, oh, he's gonna. But that never was never close.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, no. I mean, that's the other thing too, about being on the inside and looking at it. People create little stories and they, and then they catch fire and then that's a news cycle until you really do know what's going on, what's not.

[Bill Maher]

And the thing about all they care about is clicks.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's all they care about.

[Bill Maher]

That's all they care about.

[Cheryl Hines]

Does not matter if it's true or not.

[Bill Maher]

It's like a distant force.

[Cheryl Hines]

Not matter.

[Bill Maher]

Clicks.

[Cheryl Hines]

It can drive you insane.

[Bill Maher]

Do you read it? I don't.

[Cheryl Hines]

It depends. On? I never read any of them day to day. Do you not?

[Bill Maher]

I don't know if I would even know how to get on any of these things anymore, really.

[Cheryl Hines]

I usually don't. I mean, I really.

[Bill Maher]

The likes I get.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And this. I mean, like, sometimes I go home Friday night, I'm like, oh, wow, that was such a great show. And I'm like, yeah, I guess I could go on Twitter, but then I'd see the people who hated it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

So I, you know, like, any, like I get is like texting. It's like a personal. The person I know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Well, that's.

[Bill Maher]

And that means a lot to me. It's like somebody who I respect and know is like, wow, you hit it out of the park. That was a great thing. Blah, blah, blah.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And it's, you know, it's not as many likes as you would get, but to me, it's more meaningful.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. I heard somebody say once, you shouldn't take criticism from somebody you wouldn't take advice from. And it's great. Yeah. Wow, that makes sense. So you have people that don't know you commenting on how awful you are.

[Bill Maher]

And it's like, oh, you should do a show. That's what you should do.

[Cheryl Hines]

Now what can you do?

[Bill Maher]

You know what? Fuck. Fuck the acting thing, you know, you are never going to convince the 90% of the cowards in this town who, I'm telling you, very talented, not that bright. And they're very afraid. They're very afraid of being on the wrong side of an issue.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

So it's just easier just to, like, just get behind Professor Mark Ruffalo. He knows everything about Israel, you know? So just do that. And you're always gonna be safe doing that. You're always gonna be safe. Attacking you, that was always gonna be the safe choice. Cause you're on the wrong team now. So just attacking you is very safe. We don't have to look into it more, and we don't want to because we're actors. We're not readers, okay. If we were readers, we'd be different categories. We're actors, okay? We read the part that makes us Sound good? And if that part is saying we must stop genocide. Yeah. Well, you don't know what genocide is. You got your facts wrong. You don't know your history. You get everything from TikTok. But I get it. It's a better speech. It's a better speech than 400 million women around the world can't dress the way they would like to. I mean, can you imagine just not having the choice to dress the way you want to? Taking leather out of the situation?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I would be. Where would I be without my leather pants? No, it's, It's. It is hard to imagine what. What's going on in some countries. Really hard to imagine.

[Bill Maher]

I think that's the way to. I just really. I think that's the way to frame that issue to get women involved. Can you imagine living in a society where you did not have the freedom to choose what you wanted to wear?

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, by the way, it's more so not having the freedom to get an education.

[Bill Maher]

That's true.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. So, I mean, there are a lot of things we could put on this list.

[Bill Maher]

There are more places and countries where a woman can get an education. They're not all Afghanistan, where you can't. That's the far end of the spectrum. But where you also still couldn't dress the way you wanted to.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

You certainly couldn't leave your pretty blonde hair showing.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know, it's really hard to.

[Bill Maher]

It's just a choice. I mean, I feel like that should be a choice. The fact that, you know, some on the left have taken the, you know, the head covering as a sign of liberation. It's like, wow, your head is really up your ass if you think that's a sign of liberation.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, I almost did a spit take.

[Bill Maher]

What?

[Cheryl Hines]

I almost did a spit take and ruin that leather. I wouldn't ruin my leather.

[Bill Maher]

At least it wasn't red leather.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, that would drive you crazy. What if you walked in, it was like red leather, head to toe. You would have walked right out.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, but if the girl was hot enough, I could forgive her.

[Cheryl Hines]

You'd get over it.

[Bill Maher]

You'd be like, guys are like that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. It's like, okay, tonight's own.

[Bill Maher]

I hate to do a whole bit about, like, you know, especially when you're younger, like, no matter if you wanted to get laid, no matter what a woman said, you didn't. I steeled myself to some really bad personalities way too late in life.

[Cheryl Hines]

Let me ask you this. For how long can you do that? Let's say you Meet a girl and she's really hot. You're very attractive. And let's say you have sex with her on the first night. Oh, I like where you're going. So if, if, like, if the pillow talk is. You realize, whoa.

[Bill Maher]

Whoa.

[Cheryl Hines]

We do not have anything in common, then are you still. The next night, like, hey, you up? Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

No, you're describing a different guy.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay?

[Bill Maher]

Not. Look, I never got married, and that's for a reason.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Some people, you know, don't get married because they don't like girls at all. Some people don't get married because they like them a lot.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's your category.

[Bill Maher]

Right. But I was never really like that first night guy.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really?

[Bill Maher]

I'd have liked to be.

[Cheryl Hines]

You just didn't have the option. You didn't have the game.

[Bill Maher]

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[Bill Maher]

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[Cheryl Hines]

Were you famous?

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, okay, this is when you were not famous, but did it make a difference after you.

[Bill Maher]

But I'm still not famous to any woman, usually under 30.

[Cheryl Hines]

Interesting.

[Bill Maher]

They have no idea who I am, which is great.

[Cheryl Hines]

You have to work harder.

[Bill Maher]

Well, no, it's just that, like, you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Have to say, you want to watch my show.

[Bill Maher]

That sounds like it's going to be good. It isn't, but it never is. Because then they're, I mean, people who are like fans, then they're like too nervous.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

When you go to have sex, they're like, they're just frozen, I'm telling you. Yeah, yeah. It's happened more than once. They just like, they're too, like, they're.

[Cheryl Hines]

Like, I can't believe I'm doing it.

[Bill Maher]

I guess so. I guess so. But it's like.

[Cheryl Hines]

And then that makes you feel weird.

[Bill Maher]

It's so much better to have somebody like, first of all. Yes. You know, they like you for you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And they're not like overwhelmed by the experience.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

You know, which is not, you know, that's not exactly a pussy wetner. Being overwhelmed, you know, So I like.

[Cheryl Hines]

That you want to keep women underwhelmed.

[Bill Maher]

That's what I'm hearing you say underwhelmed by my celebrity. Overwhelmed by who I am, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say your skills.

[Bill Maher]

No, but I'm not out there. I'm not. Look, that's not who I even am any. I'm not out there trying to find women. I'm totally.

[Cheryl Hines]

You're not.

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

But there was a day when you were.

[Bill Maher]

Definitely a few days. Many days.

[Cheryl Hines]

And so you have calmed down, settled down.

[Bill Maher]

Totally. And you know, I don't like to reveal.

[Cheryl Hines]

I wish you would.

[Bill Maher]

Too many specifics about my real life. I don't think that's ever productive in show business. But I'll just say I'm extremely happy. I'm very extremely happy. So that's.

[Cheryl Hines]

You don't have to answer this question, are you extremely happy because you have someone that you like to hang out with?

[Bill Maher]

A. Yes, that one.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. That's so. See, isn't that. It's so nice.

[Bill Maher]

It's so nice. Oh, I mean, nice.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's like you hit on different. On different levels. Not just like one.

[Bill Maher]

I hit on different women.

[Cheryl Hines]

But now you're not.

[Bill Maher]

No, no, no, I don't want to. And I'm too old to. And no, everything came out in the wash. But you know, I have probably more regrets about that part of my life than any other part of my life because the fact that the stupidity reigned so late. Just your look.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I'm taking it in. I'm taking it in.

[Bill Maher]

It said it all. I didn't need any comments. No, no, no, no.

[Cheryl Hines]

I was just thinking. No, Bill, I was just thinking because.

[Bill Maher]

But it does. Yeah, it's like it doesn't like you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Want to have somebody. It's nice to find somebody who, who you can share your experiences with.

[Bill Maher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

And if it doesn't. If you don't find the right person, then it's not. Then it doesn't work. Then you might as well just fuck around. You know what I mean?

[Bill Maher]

There's only two real pleasures in life.

[Cheryl Hines]

I can't wait.

[Bill Maher]

I think there's doing spaghetti. There's no, there's doing what we're doing. Just talking, having an awesome time, connecting mentally. Like having a couple of drinks, smoking and just. There's just nothing like mental ping pong.

[Cheryl Hines]

I agree.

[Bill Maher]

And fucking. Everything else is kind of secondary. I mean, yes, you're just filling time.

[Cheryl Hines]

So you get to do it again.

[Bill Maher]

Well, no, there's something wonderful about, you know, taking a bath and snuggling up and watching a movie and like, you know, bowling.

[Cheryl Hines]

This is very intimate because you don't.

[Bill Maher]

Have dinner with friends, but it's. Nothing is as good as this.

[Cheryl Hines]

Or fucking because it's intimate because you're truly connecting with somebody.

[Bill Maher]

I've said to people, I've said, I hate that I have to decide between kissing you and talking to you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Aw, that's very sweet and sexy. That's a very sweet.

[Bill Maher]

But it's true. I mean, that's been true.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's a very sweet sense of.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, well, try getting it though. I mean, it's not like that grows on trees. No, I know that feeling with someone and having that with someone and sometimes you have it and then it. Then you don't have it and you know, I mean, it's like that's a Feeling that's. That's a high you're always chasing.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's true.

[Bill Maher]

You know, so if you catch it.

[Cheryl Hines]

You need to, like, you should hold on.

[Bill Maher]

Well, you shouldn't fuck it up.

[Cheryl Hines]

You shouldn't fuck it up.

[Bill Maher]

That's. I mean, that's what men's usual trip up is.

[Cheryl Hines]

They love to fuck it up. They don't like it. They can't pick a head.

[Bill Maher]

We don't want to.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know you don't. You're not trying to.

[Bill Maher]

We're not trying to, but at least give us that.

[Cheryl Hines]

I wouldn't give you that. You're not trying to.

[Bill Maher]

We're not trying to. We can't help but once in a.

[Cheryl Hines]

While you're not thinking two steps ahead, like, oh, if I do this thing, then this thing might happen.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, that's true. I must say, in my second century of. Second half century of life, post 50, I would say around there, I feel like I did finally absorb that one. Like, there is a tomorrow. Like, would it be great to fuck this person? Yes. But then what are her expectations going.

[Cheryl Hines]

To be in tomorrow?

[Bill Maher]

Even if I said to her in words, here's a sophisticated thing I learned late. Even if I said to her in words that, you know, I am who I am and this is not gonna be blah, blah, blah.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

The kind of growth that you would hope would have happened earlier.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, well, you know, a lot of times that happens. You don't have kids, right?

[Bill Maher]

Not to my knowledge.

[Cheryl Hines]

But call in if you're watching.

[Bill Maher]

You do a lot of these bit takes. I'm gonna tell you, you and I are gonna be hosting a morning show at Point. I have a feeling that I am gonna be the Regis to your Kathie Lee at school.

[Cheryl Hines]

No one's gonna learn one thing, but we will tell it like it is.

[Bill Maher]

I am gonna. I'm telling you, that is a show.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, let's do it.

[Bill Maher]

If you think you had a good TV husband before, I'll give you a better one.

[Cheryl Hines]

Now you're talking a language. You really know how to talk.

[Bill Maher]

No, I'm telling you, I think that's what you should go to because they're not going to give you a break in this town. They're just fucking assholes. They are. They really are. And they just. It's just they're just such a bunch of fucking teenage girls who don't want you to sit at their lunch table. And I just don't think that's going to change.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, well, you know, it's been.

[Bill Maher]

But you could do a show.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

You know, I mean, you could. You'd be really great at that. All right, you got the wardrobe. I love this. This is a perfect. I'm not joking.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's because it's so fun.

[Bill Maher]

It's a great.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, because when you. So when we started out, you were.

[Bill Maher]

Like, oh, this one guy. Don't go by me. This is a great. If I was the producer, I'd be like, wear that out. This is a great first show outfit. Okay. This is exactly what we want to be selling to the people. Because you want somebody like. I feel like women's TV has been, like, either an overweight lesbian, you know, somebody who is not threatening to us at all, or Tyra Banks. And I feel like we need something in the middle of that.

[Cheryl Hines]

You don't have to be a supermodel.

[Bill Maher]

But, you know, like, someone who's responsible. Well, she's like. She is the aspiration for us at that age. If we could be as hot as her at that age. We've, you know, we're. We're really far because we're watching daytime tv. So, you know, we're obviously also eating Funyuns, but. Okay. But, you know. But somebody who can talk and, you know, you've had some pain in your life. They love that. You know, you've had pain. They love that. And they, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

But you're still here.

[Bill Maher]

And you're still here.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, that's it.

[Bill Maher]

Exactly.

[Cheryl Hines]

Like you've done. You've been through some.

[Bill Maher]

And that's when you go into. What I did for love.

[Cheryl Hines]

What I did for love.

[Bill Maher]

That's it. Yeah, that's it.

[Cheryl Hines]

What is that?

[Bill Maher]

It's a great song. Who sang it?

[Cheryl Hines]

What's it all about? Alfie. No, wait. Was that about.

[Bill Maher]

No, no, no, no. Much later than Alfie. No.

[Cheryl Hines]

Was that a Broadway show?

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

Was that a musical? No. Yes. What's it all about?

[Bill Maher]

No, I think it's a. No, it's a movie. They remade it badly, but the original was Michael Caine. Alfie, he's a cad.

[Cheryl Hines]

He is?

[Bill Maher]

Yes. He's a bounder.

[Cheryl Hines]

I didn't know that.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, that's who Alfie is.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, Alfie. I thought you meant Michael Caine.

[Bill Maher]

He has sexual intercourse and relations with women with no intention of making an honorable Mrs. Out of them.

[Cheryl Hines]

Scoundrel.

[Bill Maher]

He's a scoundrel.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

And, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

But he falls in love.

[Bill Maher]

This. What's it all about, Alfie? I don't know. I don't know what happened. It's questioning that Sort of scoundrel life and saying, you know, like, get in line.

[Cheryl Hines]

Is it worth it? Oh, the thing that was gonna say. What I was talking about you, you know, realizing, oh, tomorrow there is a tomorrow. There might be consequences. I do. I should think. Think about that for a moment before I do this one thing right. I think a lot of people learn that lesson when they have kids. Because before you have kids, you don't care what you're. You don't care what you're doing.

[Bill Maher]

But Bobby's got plenty of kids.

[Cheryl Hines]

Bobby's got a lot of kids.

[Bill Maher]

What's his kids?

[Cheryl Hines]

What's his excuse? Let's call him.

[Bill Maher]

You can't blame that on the kids.

[Cheryl Hines]

He's on the phone right now. Bobby, let's go to line two.

[Bill Maher]

Bobby, you can't blame that one on kids. No, no, but I know what you mean.

[Cheryl Hines]

Kids, I mean, right, because then you think. Because you're thinking about somebody else.

[Bill Maher]

Of course.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's like the first time in your life you start thinking about somebody else before you think about yourself. So even what you're talking about, that's what you're doing now. You were in your second century. No, second. Half century.

[Bill Maher]

Half century.

[Cheryl Hines]

You are thinking about somebody else. Built. This is very sweet.

[Bill Maher]

No, actually, no, it's not. I was thinking about me having to. I mean, yes, sometimes I'm thinking about another person. That's true. I'm being facetious, but I'm also thinking about self preservation. The last thing in the world I want is a woman who is mad at me.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really? It seems like you would. You would be able to take that pretty well.

[Bill Maher]

No, I have, many times. And it's still not enjoyable.

[Cheryl Hines]

You don't like it?

[Bill Maher]

It's still not enjoyable?

[Cheryl Hines]

No. Well, that's sweet. It says something.

[Bill Maher]

You know the old Shakespearean phrase, hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned.

[Cheryl Hines]

So it's not so much about the feelings, it's about the wrath of the woman.

[Bill Maher]

That is a big part of it, I'm not gonna lie. Why isn't that.

[Cheryl Hines]

You're not like.

[Bill Maher]

Well, it's both. It's both. It's one of those nice things that is both. You're doing the right thing, but you're also doing the right thing for you because. And it's so easy. Like, how do you get women not to hate you or be mad at you? Don't lie to them ever, about anything. Don't take them down a primrose path and then, like, ghost or just not be that guy. Who they thought you were. Don't pretend you know, you. Oh. You know, maybe I would want to get married someday. No, just be honest. From the beginning. And I like that you never got married. I like it too. I mean, I think you like it.

[Cheryl Hines]

I think it's.

[Bill Maher]

Let me tell you, sister, I could.

[Cheryl Hines]

Tell you a few things. I could write a book.

[Bill Maher]

And you did. You know, I love it the way I'm telling you. We are destined for a morning talk show unscripted by Cheryl Hines. It's so. I read it while this interview was going on. That's what a badass I am. I can read and do an interview with the Speedrun. Oh, it's got pictures.

[Cheryl Hines]

It does have pictures.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, now I'm fucking solved.

[Cheryl Hines]

It has pictures.

[Bill Maher]

Wow, look at these pictures. You're always with good looking men.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. Those were my. My gay husbands.

[Bill Maher]

Your gay husband? Stop it. Really?

[Cheryl Hines]

Paul and Eddie? Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Wow. There's Richard Gere.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. I talk about Richard Gere for a moment in the. In the book.

[Bill Maher]

So you fucked all these guys?

[Cheryl Hines]

Mm, no. And they were all. I rate them. What? As you're flipping through, it starts with, hey, what's this?

[Bill Maher]

Jodie Foster at the end, you know, she ranked.

[Cheryl Hines]

She was up there. One of the. I feel like I've known you for a long time. Although we haven't really done.

[Bill Maher]

We've been in the same circle.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, yeah, we've been in the same circle. And we were at a. Maybe a Vanity Fair party after the Oscars.

[Bill Maher]

Sure.

[Cheryl Hines]

And we were both at the bar at the same time. I don't know why, Bill, I don't know why I asked you. Because this was. The rumor for so long was that you would masturbate into a sock before a sock.

[Bill Maher]

I love the way things get embellished. They did print an article in. Do you remember there was a magazine called.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, I'll never forget that magazine.

[Bill Maher]

We called. No. Entertainment Weekly. It was like.

[Cheryl Hines]

I think it's still happening.

[Bill Maher]

No, happening is definitely not the word to describe whatever's going on with Entertainment Weekly. Happening. That's not it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay.

[Bill Maher]

You think that still exists in some form? Yeah, well, it existed when there was newsstands.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right, right. And you would walk by the newsstand.

[Bill Maher]

I haven't seen anyone refer to it or seen it. Its. I don't know.

[Cheryl Hines]

And I also don't know if that's true anyway. But it's still.

[Bill Maher]

They printed. It was a. You know, when magazines were.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, people would pick them up at the airport before they Got in.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, exactly. It was like People magazine just for the. I don't know how it was different. Anyway, I guess it had box office results. Anyway, they said that I masturbated before the show in the dressing room.

[Cheryl Hines]

Why did they say that?

[Bill Maher]

Because I did.

[Cheryl Hines]

How would they know this?

[Bill Maher]

Not often, but.

[Cheryl Hines]

Not often. But you had.

[Bill Maher]

You know what? Here's the thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

Tell me.

[Bill Maher]

This is the 90s, okay? I mean, we taped every day.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

Or three days a week or something like that. You know, it was an everyday show. Politically Incorrect, the sign right behind you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

And I mean, I was just like a wild person then. I mean. And I would be out at night. You know, I would be. I would be. I would. You know, and be sometimes.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, I see. So you might be talking to an Entertainment Weekly.

[Bill Maher]

Well, no, no, no. I think what it was, was I'd be come in and hungover. Not hungover, but just, like. Did I get enough sleep? No, because I was out late drinking and clubbing and whatever.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And then, you know, this wasn't a lot, but, yeah, sometimes I was. And so, like, I could always get a nap if I jerked off first. Okay. And I think one time I forgot to remove the Jergens from the dressing room.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. From the toilet area. And then somebody.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, so you did it in the bathroom. That's reasonable.

[Bill Maher]

That's what I said to Bill Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal. You did it reasonably. Yeah. So.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, so what?

[Bill Maher]

You got me. You got me. So I think somebody dropped a dime and said.

[Cheryl Hines]

I think that this.

[Bill Maher]

Well, I mean, it is damning evidence. Why else would you have Jergens in the toilet area?

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, moisturized hands if you're a.

[Bill Maher]

Lady, you know, Cheryl, I can't sell that. I just can't sell that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay.

[Bill Maher]

It's just better to admit it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Where does the sock come in? You don't have to.

[Bill Maher]

They just made that up because that's what they do. Writer's embellishment.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

It was a sock.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

And I was thinking about Putin. You know, whatever they want to say, of course they're gonna. But I'm telling you the truth and owning it.

[Cheryl Hines]

That night I said. I asked you about that, and you said, yeah, I do that sometimes. Or whatever.

[Bill Maher]

See, I'm consistent.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, it was very refreshing. Then I asked you. I shouldn't say this either, but I had this, like, this dress on and my hair was sort of bouffant and, like, not. I wasn't really. Wasn't the bouffant. Hair. I was hoping for that night.

[Bill Maher]

Bouffant. Like Priscilla Presley?

[Cheryl Hines]

Kind of, yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Wow.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, no, that sounds exciting. No, it was more like a. Like a, you know, more of a political thing.

[Bill Maher]

Not the Cameron Diaz jizz in the hair thing?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, this is more like, who could I. Oh, like maybe Sarah Palin. Like, really done.

[Bill Maher]

Okay, sure. Beehive.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's sort of beehive.

[Bill Maher]

Y.

[Cheryl Hines]

And I said. And I said to you, we're waiting for our drinks after I asked you about the sock. Why would I ask you about the sock?

[Bill Maher]

Icebreaker.

[Cheryl Hines]

Icebreaker. And I said, hey, I hear you're.

[Bill Maher]

So horny you can't wait for nighttime and you do it in a sock in your dressing room.

[Cheryl Hines]

And I said, here's my card. Yeah. Yeah. So nice to meet you. I know. Why would I ask you that? I don't know, but I think I must have met you before that moment. But I don't know where. But anyway, I said. I said, do I look like a senator's wife with this hair?

[Bill Maher]

Little did you know?

[Cheryl Hines]

Who knew?

[Bill Maher]

Wow. What foreshadowing.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. And you said, if you're asking me if you're. I'll say breasts is not what you said. If you ask me if your breasts look great. They do. You look great. And I was like, oh, thank you. I was asking about my hair. But Cheryl, I'll lean into that.

[Bill Maher]

I can't believe at this point we have to make this statement clear, but I'm always an honest person. If your tits look great, I'm going to say your tits look great.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's exactly what you said.

[Bill Maher]

If the left is driving me crazy, I'm going to call them out. If Trump is doing crazy things, should I love him, I'm going to call him out. But, you know, tits are no exception. If your tits look great, and they do, I am not going to hide it from the public. That is my choice.

[Cheryl Hines]

Thank you.

[Bill Maher]

That is my declaration. That is my pledge. That is why I am a one issue candidate running for the mayoral of New York City.

[Cheryl Hines]

Titsville.

[Bill Maher]

I'm gonna come in at the last minute and unseat Mandami on an issue of if your tits look great, let's say it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Let's just say it.

[Bill Maher]

Let's just fucking say it.

[Cheryl Hines]

And by the way, I was like, okay.

[Bill Maher]

That will be the name of our talk show. Your tits look great.

[Cheryl Hines]

Now get out there and face the world.

[Bill Maher]

So I hear you had a crazy weekend with your new husband.

[Cheryl Hines]

Great.

[Bill Maher]

David Ellison.

[Cheryl Hines]

Bill, I do think we could cover A lot of ground and territory. But do you want to get up early in the morning?

[Bill Maher]

Of course not. We'd have to shoot it the night.

[Cheryl Hines]

We'd have to shoot it the night before. We could do it at like three in the morning.

[Bill Maher]

Do people know what's going on in the world? They care. You could do a show that's a year late and it would. They would hold.

[Cheryl Hines]

It would hold up.

[Bill Maher]

Exactly. No, actually, that would be a great twist on the morning show is that we do it the night before.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Here's what we think is going to happen tomorrow.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. And it's not going to be that different.

[Cheryl Hines]

Most of the time.

[Bill Maher]

It's not going to be that different. No. How often does you know an amazing event happen from 3 to 812 in the morning?

[Cheryl Hines]

Never.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, wait. 9, 11. All right.

[Cheryl Hines]

Wow, you really brought it down.

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

What time did that happen?

[Bill Maher]

8:12.

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, how do you know that?

[Bill Maher]

I just remember it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Do you remember numbers like that?

[Bill Maher]

I do. I remember birthdays.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's interesting. That's how you get at math.

[Bill Maher]

Now people can like easily remember birthdays because like it's in your phone or some shit reminder. And all those years, I did it for everybody. For some reason, I'm not good at math. I'm not a science person.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really?

[Bill Maher]

No. But numbers stick in my head. Like I will. Oh, that was funny.

[Cheryl Hines]

That was God.

[Bill Maher]

But exactly. But I remember like dates. Like you can say, oh, remember that thing? And if there are a lot of times I will not remember at all. But if I do, I could say, oh, yeah, that was April 7th.

[Cheryl Hines]

But because you don't know, why do you visualize the numbers?

[Bill Maher]

No, I'm not like crazy like that. I just somehow remembered. I'm a history person. That's why maybe I'm a history major and I love history and I know.

[Cheryl Hines]

So you know all the dates of the dates and the wars.

[Bill Maher]

I know everything, everything about history. Ask me anything about history and I will know.

[Cheryl Hines]

By the way, I always thought that was the bullshit. History is bullshit.

[Bill Maher]

It's the ultimate non bullshit. If you don't know history, you don't know how to guide the present.

[Cheryl Hines]

History was in my classes only memorizing what dates the war started.

[Bill Maher]

Well, they taught it to you badly. History should be about the significance of what happened before we were here. One of my biggest problems with the younger generation is when you mention something that happened before they were alive. They're such little fucking narcissists that they don't think they should know because I Wasn't alive for that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I remember once Meghan McCain was on the show and she said something like that. And Paul Begola almost brought her to tears when he said, you know, I wasn't alive for the French Revolution, but I know about it.

[Cheryl Hines]

By the way, I really like Megan McKing. Should you put your seat on?

[Bill Maher]

I'm not.

[Cheryl Hines]

You were just. You were just saying in that moment. I mean, I don't know if this is bad for shot. Oh, can you reach it okay?

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. Do anything.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's weird that it just popped off.

[Bill Maher]

I'm a Marine.

[Cheryl Hines]

Were you a Marine?

[Bill Maher]

No.

[Cheryl Hines]

I was like, wow, I would be worried for the country.

[Bill Maher]

I'm only a Marine compared to Gen Z. Compared to them, I am a Marine and I'm not even a Marine.

[Cheryl Hines]

Have you. Did you ever think about joining the military?

[Bill Maher]

No. I was very lucky. I was. Came up draft age the year before they stopped the draft.

[Cheryl Hines]

The year before?

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, 1973. I was 17 and kids were still going to Vietnam, although we were wrapping.

[Cheryl Hines]

The war up, but not at 17.

[Bill Maher]

But I would have had to have registered the next year. So when you draft 18, normally you had to register for the draft at 18. They stopped it the very year I turned 18. So I came, you know, very lucky I came of age. Right. When you didn't have to do it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Were you panicked about it or faster? No. You just thought, this is what it is?

[Bill Maher]

No. Because by 73, we were only withdrawing troops. We were not sending new troops. We had signed the treaty. Nixon was the best salesman before Trump, who ran in 68 on the pledge of I will end the war in Vietnam and did not. And then ran again in 72 on the same pledge, but then did. Or it just came to an end. No, he pulled out. And then, of course, the Vietnamese took over. The North Vietnamese took over. So the whole thing was pointless. But I was not worried about it at that age because we were drawing.

[Cheryl Hines]

The water, it was winding down.

[Bill Maher]

So it was just the perfect age. You want to become military fodder right after a war because it's going to.

[Cheryl Hines]

Take a while for something to generate.

[Bill Maher]

Generations usually take a pause before they go back again. One good thing about Trump, he really, really does not like war, which I.

[Cheryl Hines]

Love that about him.

[Bill Maher]

I kind of do, because I don't want war either. And most of them are unnecessary.

[Cheryl Hines]

Agreed.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, he took a long time when I had that dinner with him, talking about the pictures he sees coming from Ukraine, the stuff that doesn't get out on the news. It's like raw footage of bodies in the field.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

And you could tell it really moved him. It did. He's like, I do not want to see this. And I can, I'm the kind of guy who can fix this. At least you know, he's never not going to be Trump. So of course he's like, I solved nine wars, you know, okay. Even if it's half that, it's still good that we're solving them and not starting them.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's the thing that I find that I really like about President Trump. When he talks about wars and talks.

[Bill Maher]

About.

[Cheryl Hines]

You and he talks about Ukraine and Russia and he's, and he will say they're losing people on both sides. And it's not just Ukraine is losing people, it's not just Russia is losing people. He sees, like both sides. This is a lot, a true loss for both sides. And you can feel it from him when he, when he talks about that loss. I, I mean, I do.

[Bill Maher]

The problem with that one is that he's up against truly the devil. You know, Putin is as close to Satan as you can get. I mean, he's just, he's a cold, dead eyed shark in the water. And he, he just, he plays Trump. He's like, oh, sure, let's, let's have a peace meeting, you know, Alaska, sure, great. What a great place to meet and have lunch. And, you know, and he left before the lunch. Did you know that?

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

And Trump.

[Cheryl Hines]

But I doubted that he would. He's flying to Alaska to have lunch. Like, I can't wait to get there to see what they're serving for lunch. That was probably like last on his list of things to do there.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, but I mean, he was supposed to stay for the lunch. That just tells you something about Putin and how he thinks of the United States and how we can deal with them, which is like, you know, I'm going to do what I'm going to do.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I'm going to take a piece, if not all of Ukraine, and I'm going to string you along and I'll go to your summit meetings and we'll pretend to talk and then I won't even stay for the lunch. Trump stayed for the lunch. He said to the waiter, how's the blubber? And the waiter said, we serve everybody.

[Cheryl Hines]

By the way, if I, I can just see like journalists out there going, Bill Maher said, I'll stay for the blubber. Of course, like, when you're talking to.

[Bill Maher]

People, are you thinking they're just the worst? They Only because they don't. I just did a whole piece on this because the Fox News and the New York Post printed half of an editorial I did. They went all over town on how great I was to take on the left and completely left off the part where I was taking on the right. And that's what they always do. That's every week. So if I started to work, it goes both ways.

[Cheryl Hines]

I said that, too, because, by the way. Yes, it goes both ways with my niece Kaylee. And we were looking at, you know, headlines and whatever, and some people are still talking about the View. And it's interesting, the coverage of that appearance on the View because. Because a big part of people's criticism of Bobby is that he's not a medical doctor. And on the view, I said 90% of secretaries of HHS have not been medical doctors. So you can see when somebody prints an article if they don't print my response, but just print. You know, whoever said, your husband's not qualified. He's not even a doctor. You see? Oh, okay. They're only printing that side. They're not printing the response that. It's just like what you're talking about.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, I did a lot of editorials during the pandemic that the woke did not like that were more on Bobby's page.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, I just did another spit take. That's number two.

[Bill Maher]

I was not on. I mean, I am not an anti vaxxer. He sat here and we talked for a very long time about very many topics. He cried. He cried when he was here. Yes.

[Cheryl Hines]

Why?

[Bill Maher]

Talking about his father. I mean, I didn't purposely. As you can see, I have no agenda or thought in my head beyond.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, you don't plan.

[Bill Maher]

No, you don't.

[Cheryl Hines]

You're even not planned. In the end.

[Bill Maher]

It's obvious. No, when I did this, I said, I have a show where I do. Where I plan. This is no plan. No, this is so. I mean, I don't know how we got under that, but I mean, he was very real and it was very. But, you know, I did say to him, you know, something anti vaxxer. And he said, you think that's what I am? And I'm like, well, that's what I want. I could show you things you've said that would certainly make a person to think that, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

But I also was on the page during the pandemic that we were overreacting to something that could have better been. Certainly we should not have been an outlier country as far as not acknowledging natural immunity, which we were.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's crazy.

[Bill Maher]

And that does, to me, look like people who are saying, look, no matter what, we will get the vaccine in you.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Whether you need it, no matter what, we don't care. If you already had Covid and you have natural immunity, you are getting this vaccine for the sake of everybody. That was the. That was.

[Bill Maher]

But just scientifically, it's wrong. I mean, there's nothing more sort of bargain basement medicine than natural immunity is the best.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, that's why Bobby and I had. That's where we sometimes go.

[Bill Maher]

You don't think natural immunity.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I do.

[Bill Maher]

Oh.

[Cheryl Hines]

But I'm always saying to him, you have to think about people's feelings when you're talking about this. And, you know, if somebody has, let's say for this. Not that this natural immunity came up, but if somebody already has natural immunity, but somebody. The government is telling them, you still have to get the vaccine. Their feeling is, I still need to get the vaccine. I said, so let's look at the feeling of that person. And he said, this is the science. They don't need it. They already have immunity. I know, but they have feelings about it. It's like, doesn't matter.

[Bill Maher]

Well, this is what I said about Politicians talk to their wives, the good ones, because they, you know, I've never quite been on the page of, you know, men are from Mars, women are from Venus. But sometimes they are.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, there's a difference.

[Bill Maher]

Sometimes we are.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know why?

[Bill Maher]

And you kind of have to.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because, Bill, women by nature. Women by nature are nurturers.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. Yes.

[Cheryl Hines]

And we, you know what? We bear the children. We feel the responsibility. Not that men don't, but we are connected to the universe in a way that men might not be. We feel the weight of that. So we feel the. We feel the intensity of other people's feelings. And I'm generalizing. People are already going to town. But generally, because we have. We're thinking about the children. We're thinking about our family. How is this gonna affect the whole family? How is this gonna affect the. You know, so. And I'm generalizing. Not some, but not all.

[Bill Maher]

Okay, But I don't know what you can do in a second.

[Cheryl Hines]

But I don't need to keep clarifying.

[Bill Maher]

I just want to say mature people understand that no comment about anything important is done without some generalization.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay?

[Bill Maher]

That's what mature people do. Immature people find the one outlier and try to make that a thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

How dare you.

[Bill Maher]

But that's not. People do or Seriously, various academics, do they have to go by majorities and statistics.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes, majorities and statistics.

[Bill Maher]

So just wanted to get that shot in at those assholes I fucking love.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know.

[Bill Maher]

It's just such a.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because those are the people that are like, how good? You don't know my situation.

[Bill Maher]

Bad faith. You know what bad faith means? Means you don't really believe it yourself, but you can get idiots to believe it. That's bad.

[Cheryl Hines]

If you say it loud enough. If people say it loud enough or enough times, then people will believe it.

[Bill Maher]

Let's smash some shit tonight.

[Cheryl Hines]

But yes, men and women's different opinions because, you know, I started with a.

[Bill Maher]

Comic named Mark Center. He had a great joke. He said, yeah, every Sunday night I can get bed with my girlfriend and we make love and then watch my favorite show, 59 minutes.

[Cheryl Hines]

No. Okay, I get it. I get it. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

[Bill Maher]

But yes, it's important that you watch.

[Cheryl Hines]

Things together that you like or that you.

[Bill Maher]

That you vibe on that time of togetherness.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's true. I agree.

[Bill Maher]

Because it's very often before you go to sleep.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. And you want to unwind and you.

[Bill Maher]

Want to have fun, and you just want to be on the same page, and you don't want. It's not a time for fighting. Like, oh, can we watch this? It's like, I don't want to negotiate.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I know. I keep trying to get Bobby to watch Murder, and he doesn't want to. He's like, why do I want to watch Murder? I said, I don't know. It's relaxing.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. Now that is a female thing. It is a female thing. Why are women. You tell me.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, I'll tell you.

[Bill Maher]

Why are women so fucking interested in murdering?

[Cheryl Hines]

I'll tell you why, Bill. Because I think when it's presented to us, you know, in an hour form or even a miniseries, people call it that. No, limited series. It's like, here's what's. Here's what happened. It's usually a guy. Let's be honest. Not usually a female murderer. No, usually a guy.

[Bill Maher]

Oh. Because in life it is.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's a guy.

[Bill Maher]

Yes.

[Cheryl Hines]

So it's a super weird guy.

[Bill Maher]

Men are murderers who murders. Let's just say it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Who men are.

[Bill Maher]

Not all men are murderers, but if you are a murderer, you're probably a man 100%.

[Cheryl Hines]

And women are nurturers. So I'm not saying who's better, but it doesn't matter. But. So, okay, so there's somebody serving up murder in an hour form, right? Or two hours. Like it's. What are they? What's one of them? Not Nightline, prime time. No prime time. No. 2020 or something like that. And they're like, here's Dateline. Dateline. Thank you. They're like, here's what happened.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

There was a murder on Elm Street. Like, you've never seen murder. Who was it? You don't know? Could have been the husband. We don't know. And you're watching, going, it was.

[Bill Maher]

It was always a husband's husband. Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

And then you watch it, and the husband thinks he's getting away with it, and he doesn't.

[Bill Maher]

And it is always a husband.

[Cheryl Hines]

Almost always. It's almost always.

[Bill Maher]

Almost always. Well, that's how the police view it, right? Of course the police view it that way. Not just people in show business. The police are going to say, first thing, check out the husband.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Or the ex husband.

[Bill Maher]

They were on a cruise. Or the lover, somehow she fell overboard.

[Cheryl Hines]

He felt. You're speaking my language. This is a Friday night for me. And I'm just like, she fell overboard. She didn't fall overboard.

[Bill Maher]

Well, we know that. That, like on cruise ships, a lot of the accidents. I think now with cameras, it's less likely, but, like, for. There was a. There was a. For murderers, there was a golden window up when you could, like, get away with a tight. Take your girl on a cruise and be like, tell her, honey, I love you so much, I want to take you on a cruise.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

And then you go, look at the moon.

[Cheryl Hines]

Can you believe this view?

[Bill Maher]

Kill her.

[Cheryl Hines]

Mm.

[Bill Maher]

I'm king of the world. Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

King of the world.

[Bill Maher]

You're queen of the bottom of the sea, bitch. And then.

[Cheryl Hines]

2020. What did you say it was called? Prime time. No. Nightline. No.

[Bill Maher]

Nightline.

[Cheryl Hines]

Nightline, yeah. Nightline.

[Bill Maher]

Dateline.

[Cheryl Hines]

Dateline.

[Bill Maher]

Dateline.

[Cheryl Hines]

And then Dateline. And then it's like, women got wise. Like, why are you taking me on this cruise? And why do you want me to look at the moon at the end of the boat? And why are you sitting behind me? I would like to see you. You know, so it's like, well, if.

[Bill Maher]

You'Re already at the point where you're that suspicious, if you don't want your.

[Cheryl Hines]

Man to stand behind you while you're looking at the moon, it's not.

[Bill Maher]

You've got bigger problems, not a good relationship.

[Cheryl Hines]

But that's like. That's why women like these shows, because it's like, he did it. He. We found out he did it, and you guys are not. You Guys are not getting away with it anymore. And you go to bed feeling, like, great. And Bobby's like, how do you feel good about the murder? You don't get it. You're a guy. I don't.

[Bill Maher]

So you make him watch that.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, he won't watch it. Not so I. Secretly. Not secret. I don't keep it a secret from him. But if he's doing something else. Yeah, then I will.

[Bill Maher]

That's for you.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's fair. That's my joy.

[Bill Maher]

Murder is your private joy.

[Cheryl Hines]

Murder. Let me have murder.

[Bill Maher]

You should have murder.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. I don't need you sitting next to me being angry about murder when I'm just relaxing to it.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah. It's like asking him to share the vibrator. I mean, like, that's your thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, my God.

[Bill Maher]

It's your thing. Why would.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, my God. I really did it this time. I really.

[Bill Maher]

You sound like Lucy. Oh, I really did it this time, Lucy. You really did it this time. I mean, I really told them more Lucy.

[Cheryl Hines]

That really got me.

[Bill Maher]

Don't you love 50s TV where you could threaten to punch your wife in the face and it was considered acceptable?

[Cheryl Hines]

I was cute.

[Bill Maher]

Alice, if you annoy me one more minute, I'm gonna punch you to the ground.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, wait. I feel like. Is my mascara running? Another not.

[Bill Maher]

You look fantastic.

[Cheryl Hines]

Would you know if I didn't?

[Bill Maher]

What do you mean?

[Cheryl Hines]

If my mascara was running? In your state of mind, do you feel like you'll be like, well, it is, but it still looks okay? Or would you feel like. No, it is, Ann, honestly, and I'm.

[Bill Maher]

Not saying this to blow smoke up your leather, but you are one of the few people I've ever met who, like, looks better in person than you do on the screen. Not that you don't look good on the screen, but, like, you look different in person. And it's not worse. It's very rare. Usually they use this. They use the artifices to, like, you know, enhance it, make it look better. Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, that's interesting.

[Bill Maher]

You look thinner.

[Cheryl Hines]

Interesting.

[Bill Maher]

Well, they say the camera does add 10.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, well, yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And.

[Cheryl Hines]

Sometimes people made me think I look taller in person. Because you don't know how tall somebody is when it's just, like, head and shoulders.

[Bill Maher]

Tell it to Tom Cruise. No, I mean, but he is. He's kind of diminutive, right?

[Cheryl Hines]

I don't know. I've never met him in real life. And. And by the way, it doesn't even matter because he's doing.

[Bill Maher]

No, but he is. I think he Is short. I mean, I'm 5 8. I think he's shorter than me. I mean, I've heard.

[Cheryl Hines]

Have you ever met him, though?

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, once at a party. I told him how much I loved Night and Day.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, I remember Night and Day with Cameron Diaz.

[Bill Maher]

So great. It's just such a great kind of overlooked movie by the. Yeah, I mean, like the snobs didn't like it for some reason, but it's just like a great sort of romantic caper kind of movie.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, I remember I liked that movie.

[Bill Maher]

It's just two old pros who know how to do their job in movies and doing it well and a great sort of fun. You know, it's just escapism.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

But on an elegant level. Yeah, you can do it elegantly.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. You know, and he's always pretty elegant.

[Bill Maher]

I love Tom Cruise as a movie star.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Cause he.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, he's amazing.

[Cheryl Hines]

He takes that. He takes the responsibility very much so. Yeah. Seriously.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. For the whole planet. Also.

[Cheryl Hines]

You don't think that about Christians, Like a. A Christian actor? You don't feel like, like. Well, I would like to see. I would like to rewire their brain to get that one thing different.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Because it's like. But you feel that about.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, that's a very good point. I mean, it's just. Because it is just as nutty. You're right. It is just as nutty. To think that Jesus was. I mean, if he even was a historical figure, which is not certain, but possible. It's like a. 50. 50. Okay, say he was a historical figure. There was a guy. Jesus. Yeah. To think that he reanimated after he was dead. That is as crazy as Xenu. You're right. You're totally right. And what, we're just used to it?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, we're just used to it.

[Bill Maher]

We're just used to it. And it's more mainstream.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. So who cares? What.

[Bill Maher]

No, I'm not for actually doing lobotomy on people, but, you know, I mean.

[Cheryl Hines]

It'S just such a. It's such a different idea that it's hard to.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, Scientology to me is a little worse because it came much later. Christianity, you could make the excuse like Judaism and Islam.

[Cheryl Hines]

And you see the. You see the artwork that goes back.

[Bill Maher]

Well, it came at the pre. Scientific era. The scientific era only started about 400 years ago when people believed in science, when they stopped thinking the sun revolved around the other planet.

[Cheryl Hines]

What if that is the truth? What if the Science is the truth.

[Bill Maher]

Now, this is Bobby talking. I mean, we definitely should always be debating what the science is. That's one thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

Are we talking about religion now or are we talking about something else?

[Bill Maher]

We're talking about both.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay.

[Bill Maher]

Because they both apply.

[Cheryl Hines]

But you're saying we should always be debating the science.

[Bill Maher]

That's what science means. Debating. That's where I'm with him is like.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, it's always changing, too.

[Bill Maher]

It's always changing.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, who's to say that this has been settled?

[Bill Maher]

No, that's where I've always had his back. And I've done. And I've taken the shit from doing my editorials about it. Especially during COVID And even before COVID they hated me as an. They called me an anti vaxxer. And I was like, I'm not an anti vaxxer. That's not what I am. I'm just a pro. Skepticism about anything medical.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Any medical intervention.

[Cheryl Hines]

Why can't we ask questions?

[Bill Maher]

I'm very spec. Yeah. Especially since you got. My thing was always like, don't look at me. Because you're wearing a white coat with your name printed on it and stitching like, I have. I'm God and I have the answers. When have we ever been wrong? Because my answer is a lot.

[Cheryl Hines]

A lot.

[Bill Maher]

You've been wrong a lot. So am I gonna listen to Bobby Kennedy? Absolutely. That's a. Does that obligate me to believe everything he says? No. But I don't believe everything you say either.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, let's see. Let's see.

[Bill Maher]

And I have a lot of evidence in the past. More than about him. About how you were wrong.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. I mean, Big Tobacco, We've got Big Pharma. Big Pharma.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, that's great. I mean, they paid $8 billion to the Sackler. The Sackler family did. Who were. You know. Obviously, you can buy a lie.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

In Big Pharma and kill a lot of people and get away with it by paying a fine. But don't come to me with the. When have we ever been wrong?

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

And a lot of it, most of it is not because of corruption. That is, corruption is part of it. Most of it is just because they just don't fucking know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, I was just talking about that the other day about pregnant women getting X rayed back in the 50s because that was leading technology and they could see where the baby was. And wealthy mothers were doing it because it was the best health care you could have. And then, you know, there were studies done it's like, oh, there's a link to wealthy women and children's cancer.

[Bill Maher]

But my mother drank during her pregnancy because, of course, she did.

[Cheryl Hines]

Help me get me through this. What is Ellen M's?

[Bill Maher]

And did it affect me?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, not a bit. Look at you. The picture of hope.

[Bill Maher]

But that had nothing to do with it. But, yeah, I mean, you know, look.

[Cheryl Hines]

But yeah. And then. So, you know, then there was a connection made. Radiation from X rays is causing childhood cancer.

[Bill Maher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

And then when they came out with that.

[Bill Maher]

Which makes sense.

[Cheryl Hines]

Makes sense. But people were outraged at the finding. And they said, that can't be true because we're doing the best we can for our patients. The mothers were doing the best they could for their babies. And it took 20 years until the US and Europe stopped doing it because they just couldn't get their. They couldn't imagine that they're just. They're doing something.

[Bill Maher]

I just wish Bobby could stop saying the things I can't defend so that I could more vociferously defend the things I want to. You know what I mean?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. Do you have something in mind or is it.

[Bill Maher]

No, but in general, you know what I mean? Well, because some things I can't. And he goes too far for me, and it's a sh. You know, like in the big picture. Yes. Do I think we needed a big shakeup and should we relook at it and a lot of the precepts that he is signed onto or have been parts of my whole life, because, you know, I got with a holistic doctor 20 something years ago, and it just changes your way of viewing it and what you think is, you know, I mean, I do not want to have certain products that have been homogenized or pasteurized, for example, because I want live bacteria, because that's part of that. I don't want to kill the bacteria, the good bacteria with the bad bacteria.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I agree that it would make it completely safe because you've killed all the bacteria. But then you're denying the healthful factor part of it. And as a free citizen, I should be able to say, well, I will take that risk. I want that bacteria because I want that bacteria. And you don't know my personal health background and what I may have gone through because I don't ever publicize that shit. Lots of other people do. And I don't think that's a bad thing.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm not judging them, like, their health situations are over.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, absolutely.

[Cheryl Hines]

Wait, come here. I feel like you have a little.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, we'll get rid of it.

[Cheryl Hines]

I don't know what. Oh, I know what it is.

[Bill Maher]

Probably ash.

[Cheryl Hines]

Wait, don't go anywhere. Yeah, mine made it worse. Here. Can I do this?

[Bill Maher]

I want to. Yeah. Sorry, Mom.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm being a total mom. Okay. Yeah, I think I got it.

[Bill Maher]

I went inside a pot dealer, and it's like, his wife did not want him to be doing it. And he was like, I can't be cool because my wife's, you know, she thinks I'm still doing the whole pot thing. And she came in and she was yelling at him for pot. He says, honey, I don't smoke pot anymore. She said, peter, there's a leaf in your teeth.

[Cheryl Hines]

I can see it. Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Potheads. You had a little ash, but, you know.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I know. Listen. But it's hard to be a. I think it's hard to be a change maker.

[Bill Maher]

Totally.

[Cheryl Hines]

Nobody wants to change. Nobody wants change. It's scary and it intimidates people and it's the unknown. You know, it's hard for people to. No, we don't want to. We don't want to change. We've got this. This thing going, and it's like, well, what if it's not a great thing that you've got going? Like, we have to make change. And so. And, you know.

[Bill Maher]

But he is kind of perfect for the Trump administration because he kind of fits in with what I think of the template, which is. Got the right idea about a bunch of things that need reform. But the way you're doing it, I can't go on. I mean, I can go on part of the way, and then you lose me, but that's not your thing. We don't have to talk about that.

[Cheryl Hines]

But it's okay. I mean, it's interesting here. And once again, I think it. It's interesting being on the inside looking out. Right. Because I'm seeing it from a different perspective.

[Bill Maher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because you only have so much time to make change.

[Bill Maher]

You're right.

[Cheryl Hines]

And so when. Oh, yeah. I'm just going to say this to you because it's just the two of us in this. No one's listening. But when Biden was in. Was president, you know, we didn't see him. I didn't see him. I didn't. I wasn't feeling any sort of movement or movement forward, and I thought he was, and I thought, oh, maybe that's where we are now. Our president is just sort of a figurehead, like the Queen of England or the King of England. Like, it's just a Person that's like, this is who we voted for.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Hines]

And so I sort of got used to that idea of, oh, this is a person in the background. So then. And by the way, I. Until recently, I couldn't have told you one name of a secretary of hhs. Never in my life have I ever been. Yeah, it's not a big concern myself with the secretary of hhs, but now I know names, I know what they've done, I know their history, I know their qualifications. But. So when President Trump got into office again, you know, he's a changemaker, Bobby's a change maker. And they are like, we only have a certain amount of time to get stuff done. We're going to get it done. And whether you like it or not, a lot of people don't like it. A lot of people love it. They're making changes, which is hard to do in politics. It's hard to do in policy.

[Bill Maher]

Inertia is more relevant usually than either party.

[Cheryl Hines]

No. And by the way, we've all known red dye. What is it? Red dye 20. The red dye in food.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, red dye number two.

[Cheryl Hines]

Is it number two? Yeah, that it is. It's been known to cause cancer. We've known this for a very long time.

[Bill Maher]

You know what I mean? That whole thing. I'm with him totally. But I gotta say, the idea that I would ever eat anything that had red dye number two in it, it's just like, I don't need this fucking law because I'm not gonna eat red dye number two products anyway.

[Cheryl Hines]

But you know why? And I'm not finger pointing, but it's because you don't have kids. When you have kids, it's a responsibility that you have.

[Bill Maher]

That's one reason I don't have kids. Because you can't raise kids, unfortunately, in a vacuum, you raise them in society. And so you have to live by the mores and the ideas of the other people in society who their kids are gonna. But that's why you and I would just be the bad parent with the scissors in my hand who's gonna stab me? Your leather pants? Because you were like, I can't raise the. My kid the way I want to because everybody else gets a fucking say in it. Which was not the way I was raised.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

Nobody else got a say.

[Cheryl Hines]

No.

[Bill Maher]

No. It's just that everything. Nobody ever stops in the middle with the pendulum. It always goes to like.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, it's it really.

[Bill Maher]

Jupiter on the next.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, it really.

[Bill Maher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

Isn't that the biggest fucking and that's.

[Cheryl Hines]

What happened in the last administration. It really. It swung really far.

[Bill Maher]

And Biden really, because he wasn't really affected my feelings about age, because I.

[Cheryl Hines]

Always have been about age.

[Bill Maher]

Yes. Because I've for a very long time, been, I think, a voice against ageism. I think this is a very ageist country. And my point was always. I'm not saying there's not a time to go off into the great pasture, but it's a case by case, and that is still my point.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yes.

[Bill Maher]

So don't automatically make a rule, like, at 75. Some people at 75 are great at.

[Cheryl Hines]

The top of their game.

[Bill Maher]

Barbara fucking Eden here. Right there. I dream of Jeannie. She's 94.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really?

[Bill Maher]

She looks like you and she talks like you. There's no betrayal of age at all. And. Okay. And some people are old at 50. I've known people who are old at 50 who've given up on life.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. Just like, turn on the TV and just like, I'm just gonna do this.

[Bill Maher]

Until I die physically also.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, my age, you can look. People look a lot worse than me at 70 because they stayed in the sun.

[Cheryl Hines]

Let me swallow before you. I can't. I can't take another, uh. Oh, okay. Were you about to make a joke finally? No, I.

[Bill Maher]

Thank you, Jesus.

[Cheryl Hines]

Thank you. I found one. Okay, go ahead. What were you saying?

[Bill Maher]

No, what were you saying?

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I.

[Bill Maher]

It was important.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I did not want to do a spatigue. No, we're talking about ageism. And you were saying. And we were talking about Biden and we were talking about.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, because I have always been, I would say this, you know, avenging angel against ageism. And I still am there. But the Biden experience showed me that it's easy when you're, you know, in highfalutin positions of power, which I am not the president, but. But, you know, I am God in my universe in a show on a created all the. Yeah, I mean, I could see people, like, trying to, like, keep me like, Weekend at Bernie me, you know, you can still then, right?

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. I got a mortgage pay for that reason.

[Bill Maher]

I am acutely aware of my own prowess or lack of it. So, like, when the time comes, I will be there.

[Cheryl Hines]

Who will be the person to tell.

[Bill Maher]

You that I don't need one. I will be that person. That's what I'm saying. No, know.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because Biden.

[Bill Maher]

I do know, but because. Well, I'm just saying Biden made it acutely aware. Made me acutely aware that you can really get to this place where kind of overest. Well, you're just. I always said he can't run for president. Could he be president? Yes. He wasn't crazy or senile. He could make decisions in small rooms of advisors, which is what a president needs to do. But at a certain point, you are also the president who needs to, like, have a public face.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

And show the people they have a leader. Trump, you may hate him. You may hate every policy. He does not look tired.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, he is out there.

[Bill Maher]

He is out there.

[Cheryl Hines]

I mean, he's televising his cabinet meetings. I don't know that anybody has done that.

[Bill Maher]

Well, he's kicking ass and taking names.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, I mean, like, this is who I am.

[Bill Maher]

This is who I am.

[Cheryl Hines]

This is who you got.

[Bill Maher]

And this is the shit that's been festering for a long time that I am not going to keep. Let festering. That's the part that's appealing to people.

[Cheryl Hines]

Maybe that should be the name of our show. Let's not keep Festering.

[Bill Maher]

I like just festering. I don't think we need the other part. I think it gills the lily. I think the word festering is always something people want to wake up attractive to people.

[Cheryl Hines]

Start your day with festering. Just festering. Bill and Cheryl. Hey, everybody. It's three o' clock in the morning. We're taping this early. Nothing's gonna happen from three to six. We all know that.

[Bill Maher]

I think we should start every Monday broadcast with asking about what was festering in your weekend.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know what? I would do this in one second. We could start off.

[Bill Maher]

No, no, that is what you actually should do next. You should do a talk show. I don't know where.

[Cheryl Hines]

Like a morning show or just like.

[Bill Maher]

I'm not, I'm not. I'm not even talking about, you know, podcasts, and, you know, they're great. I'm talking about old fucking tv. I think that old fucking TV still lives on. I know it's not the newest thing, but you know what? It's still, you know, it's like.

[Cheryl Hines]

Like murder.

[Bill Maher]

Well, like murder.

[Cheryl Hines]

People love it.

[Bill Maher]

You know, they tune in Warren Buffett, the smartest investor ever, and he was always like, okay, you guys make fun of me. And then I always invest in things like railroads and toilet paper while you're chasing the latest high tech things. And I'm like, yeah, but people still need to wipe their ass and they need something to get it to them that'll let them wipe their ass. So I'm going to invest in that. So TV is not dead.

[Cheryl Hines]

I agree.

[Bill Maher]

TV is not dead.

[Cheryl Hines]

People want. People still want to connect.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, I couldn't live without a tv.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know. I like tv.

[Bill Maher]

It's a big thing at the end of my bed.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, I like it. I like it. Are you like.

[Bill Maher]

No, I'm Bill.

[Cheryl Hines]

I meant, are you hoping that I will show a big thing at the end of the bit? I don't know.

[Bill Maher]

I only meant it literally. And then you. I realized what I saw. Just a minute.

[Cheryl Hines]

And you were like, now that I.

[Bill Maher]

Saw it, it's a big thing at the end of my be. And I want it to be big, and I want it to be at the end of my bed. I feel like appointment television. That's a laurel that few people can put around their neck. I have a little bit of that left. There are still people who really want to watch my show.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know why?

[Bill Maher]

When it comes on on Friday night, like, as it comes on, it was live for almost all its run after the pandemic made us not do it live because it was too dangerous.

[Cheryl Hines]

Too dangerous. I mean, it was so sticky together.

[Bill Maher]

There was so much material in the pandemic. I mean, there was so much stupidity and so much hypocrisy. I mean, it was a fucking. If you couldn't hit that with a comedic arrow, it was a barn door, right? Like the restaurant shit. Remember going to restaurants in parking lots? Like, I'm in a parking lot. And then I found out because once, soon after the pandemic, I had to take a commercial flight. I know that sounds like I'm spoiled.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm sorry that happened.

[Bill Maher]

I know. Me, too. And I'm going to write a memoir about it.

[Cheryl Hines]

That's what my whole book is about.

[Bill Maher]

My private plane got broke, so I had to fly on a commercial airline. And when I saw how much they packed the people together, and I thought. You mean during this whole pandemic when we were all, like, going to the restaurants in the parking lot and wearing masks when we go to the. During this whole thing, you were letting the planes fly? Because I was on one of these planes and I saw what it was like, and there was no. And you could take the mask off to eat. To eat.

[Cheryl Hines]

But you had to pull back up when you're chewing.

[Bill Maher]

So ridiculous that you think you are. And then people get off the plane and disperse. You could not devise a better method to make sure the virus wasn't spread around the country. And yet I'm eating in the parking lot.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. No, I Know, it's also in my book. I talk about that in my book because it was like. Because at that time, during. During the pandemic, you know, that's when Bobby was really questioning these types of.

[Bill Maher]

Protocols.

[Cheryl Hines]

Ideas. Yeah, protocols. And distancing. Distancing.

[Bill Maher]

I mean, all of it was proved to be a bunch of bullshit. Now, some of it was, yes, at the beginning, we didn't know what it was, but there definitely was a point at which we could have been, like, pivoted.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right?

[Bill Maher]

Because at the beginning.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because at the beginning, nobody knew. And it was like, we've never seen this before. And everybody was on board. And it's like, wow, we have never seen this before. And then as time went on, you could watch some of the governors, which, once again, insider looking out, learning about. You know, I really am understanding what governors do, as opposed to.

[Bill Maher]

So you watch some governors have the power.

[Cheryl Hines]

They really do. So state to state, you watch them make decisions about their state.

[Bill Maher]

Right.

[Cheryl Hines]

We're gonna stay locked down, Newsom. We're gonna stay locked down. Everybody, you know, social distance. We're gonna keep the schools locked down, the businesses locked down. And then you had other governors. And I only know this.

[Bill Maher]

I went to Florida as soon as I could, and so meet somewhere. And it felt like a different world. California. I felt like I was in Attica. That is like, boarded up windows, and it's like, please.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know.

[Bill Maher]

Eating in the parking. The parking lot. Yeah, this is going to change a lot. I'm in the parking lot, you fucking assholes.

[Cheryl Hines]

Well, the same. I went to Florida because my whole family lives in Florida. And when I got there, like, my sister and I went to, I don't know, Target or something like that. And I got my mask out, and she said, what are you doing? I said, oh, I'm just, you know, getting my mask out. She goes, nobody does that. You don't have to do that here. And I was like, really? That's crazy. And, you know, I walked through and some people had a mask on, which is fine. If that's what you want to do and that makes you feel more comfortable, then do that. But the difference between, you know, DeSantis and Newsom was, like, stark. Right? And you have. And even people on the beaches and flowers. In California, beaches were the best. No, but people were still required to wear masks.

[Bill Maher]

I understand. And that's. In Florida.

[Cheryl Hines]

It was like, no. Go out to the beach and, like, get some sun again.

[Bill Maher]

Sun and fresh air.

[Cheryl Hines]

Fresh air.

[Bill Maher]

As opposed to staying inside and day drinking, which is Going to make everybody put on like 15 pounds. The worst thing in an epidemic that killed two kinds of people. Old and fat. Old and fat.

[Cheryl Hines]

And that's what was weird. It was like. So you would think in that moment that people be. Or the country or, you know, the governors or whomever would say, oh, okay, people need to be at a healthy weight to survive. Covid. To survive anything.

[Bill Maher]

I suggested make it a national challenge. You love challenges on TikTok. You know, hey, here's the stick something up your ass challenge. Great. It's what all the kids are doing here. You know, eat horse manure challenge. Okay, do that. How about something. You know what? We're in a pandemic which kills obese. The fatter you were, the worse chances you had. Let's all lose 15. And they never even mentioned it.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, no, no.

[Bill Maher]

So don't expect my respect for you government if you can't even mention it. A key factor. I did editorials about that. Of course, the usual suspects hated me for that because we were still in the age of body positivity. Was there ever more Orwellian idea than that? Fatness is positivity. It's, you know, like.

[Cheryl Hines]

It is, you know, that being said, as a woman.

[Bill Maher]

Who'S not fat. What?

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay, but hey, you know, the idea that you're judging somebody by how they look.

[Bill Maher]

I'm not judging them.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know, but if somebody's beauty's in.

[Bill Maher]

The eye of the beholder. Science is not in the eye of the.

[Cheryl Hines]

Now you sound like Bobby, because it's.

[Bill Maher]

Like, science is not in the. Well, I would.

[Cheryl Hines]

Because Bobby's like.

[Bill Maher]

If only he would always go by the science.

[Cheryl Hines]

He does. I mean, not always.

[Bill Maher]

Not always. But we don't forget minutia. But. But no, I mean, beauty. Yes. I mean, absolutely. Everybody should enjoy what they enjoy.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah. You don't have to be. But that's talking about the pendulum swinging. So the pendulum was swinging to body positivity. Like, I weigh 300 pounds and I'm okay with it. So you should be okay with it. I just say when the pendulum was swinging to body positivity and somebody said, I weigh 300 pounds.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, okay.

[Cheryl Hines]

It shouldn't bother you. Right?

[Bill Maher]

It doesn't.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. It doesn't. But is it healthy? I don't.

[Bill Maher]

But no, that's what I mean about the science is not in the eye of the beholder. Science doesn't care about your feelings. The science is. And I did a story about this before COVID I said this was like a year before COVID and James Corden attacked me viciously. Very similar to the way. Who's this attacked you? Very similar. Like a real nasty.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really?

[Bill Maher]

Yes. Like, you know, he should. Like, you know, he's worrying about the shit we put in our mouth. He should worry about the shit that comes out of his mouth. You know, kind of like it's such an easy argument to make. And all I was doing was presenting the facts. I was saying, this was during the, I think the 2018 campaign of midterms, and the Democrats were debating each other, and the big issue was health care. And I just said, you can talk about health care until you're blue in the face. And which person has the better program. It will never get solved until you enlist the help of the people themselves in making their health better.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

And the fact that you don't even. Won't even mention obesity. Obesity issue, because it would offend people, then you have no. I don't respect you. And then I gave the statistics. It's like, even before COVID obesity affects everything in your health really badly, from eyesight to depression. Like, everything is affected.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right. Diabetes.

[Bill Maher]

So, of course, when a pandemic came around, it was gonna take the fatties first.

[Cheryl Hines]

I'm so glad I was not drinking while you said that. Thank. Thank you. Thank you. This is a show for truth.

[Bill Maher]

This is a truthful show. And the very old. You know, and if I was a fat old person, I would get the vaccine, too.

[Cheryl Hines]

Which, by the way, people that were vulnerable, those are the people that should have gotten the vaccine and people who had natural immunity, who already had it, who were in great health, who, you know, maybe we should have taken a step back and said, you're already healthy. You're gonna be okay. You don't need this.

[Bill Maher]

And it's not even saying you're against it.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

The mature answer is that, of course, medical interventions, especially of the last hundred years, are valuable. I don't want to live in a world without antibiotics. I also don't want to take antibiotics.

[Cheryl Hines]

If I don't have to, but if I don't.

[Bill Maher]

Yeah, right, right. But if I have to, I'm very glad they're around.

[Cheryl Hines]

Right.

[Bill Maher]

I don't want to have a vaccine unless I really feel I have to. There are things out there that I would like, fight you for the vaccine, you know, But Covid, Gonorrhea.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, I'm just. That was a bad joke at your expense.

[Bill Maher]

I love a bad joke at my own, Spence. That's what makes this show work. That's why we're number one in the morning.

[Cheryl Hines]

Number one. What is it called? Oh, number one.

[Bill Maher]

That's what it's called. Number one.

[Cheryl Hines]

Lady, what's the name of our show? It's a terrible name. A Fester.

[Bill Maher]

Oh, Fester.

[Cheryl Hines]

Don't let it. Fester. Fester.

[Bill Maher]

No, it's. We had another name before that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Yeah, we had another name, but, I mean, we'll never know because we. Drunken Stone. And.

[Bill Maher]

And when we review the tape, wrap.

[Cheryl Hines]

It up, here's what we're gonna know. When we watch this tape back, which neither one of us will do ever, we're gonna know that we're gonna have a morning show. It's only gonna be on Mondays for some reason.

[Bill Maher]

No, Mondays.

[Cheryl Hines]

And it's gonna be. And we're gonna show.

[Bill Maher]

Mondays is the day that we ask how. If your weekend included any festering.

[Cheryl Hines]

Festering.

[Bill Maher]

But, you know, these are just ideas.

[Cheryl Hines]

No, these are just ideas. We're gonna shoot it at three in the morning because we figure that nothing is gonna happen from three till six, nine the next day. And we're gonna predict what's gonna happen the next day. And we're gonna say, here's what's probably happening today. Here's what's probably happening today. And then we'll give our best guesses, which we'll probably be right.

[Bill Maher]

It's actually a good idea.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know what? It's actually a great idea.

[Bill Maher]

It actually really.

[Cheryl Hines]

I wish I could remember the name of our show to just let it fester. Don't let it fester. This is what festered.

[Bill Maher]

All right, I'm gonna squash the fester part of it. That was.

[Cheryl Hines]

It's not attractive.

[Bill Maher]

It's not.

[Cheryl Hines]

But the first one was more attractive.

[Bill Maher]

I don't remember what that one was, but it was. It's on tape somewhere, but. Spit take, we could call it.

[Cheryl Hines]

By the way, there were three spit takes in this show.

[Bill Maher]

That's why I know it was a good time. Well, thank you. I've kept you here, I'm sure, longer than I should have.

[Cheryl Hines]

I would love to just keep talking to you.

[Bill Maher]

I would, too. I just. I could feel the crew getting restless now.

[Cheryl Hines]

I like the winnery. Wrapping time to go home. Yeah.

[Bill Maher]

When we go home, we have to go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could do it all night, but.

[Cheryl Hines]

I know you're good. That's what I've heard about you. Good night, everybody.

[Bill Maher]

Hey.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay.

[Bill Maher]

All right. Oh, and if you haven't heard by now.

[Cheryl Hines]

Oh, yeah.

[Bill Maher]

Unscripted by Cheryl Hines. It's it's so. I read it while you have not.

[Cheryl Hines]

Been there but you know what?

[Bill Maher]

I just. I just got it. I'm going to read it. I'm not going to read comics.

[Cheryl Hines]

You know, there's a. There's an audio version too if you just want to listen while you're.

[Bill Maher]

I would never do that.

[Cheryl Hines]

Really?

[Bill Maher]

I like. No, you like the words I like. You know.

[Cheryl Hines]

What do you think makes the perfect snack?

[Bill Maher]

Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Cheryl Hines]

Could you be more specific?

[Bill Maher]

When it's cravinient.

[Cheryl Hines]

Okay.

[Bill Maher]

Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at ampm. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can.

[Cheryl Hines]

Grab in just a second at ampm. I'm seeing a pattern here.

[Bill Maher]

Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Cheryl Hines]

Crave which is anything from ampm.

[Bill Maher]

What more could you want? Stop by AMPM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience ampm. Too much good stuff.