Ziggy Marley | Club Random with Bill Maher

Summary

Club Random with Bill Maher

Guest: Ziggy Marley
Date: April 6, 2026
Episode Summary

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Overview

In this engaging episode of Club Random, Bill Maher sits down for a free-flowing conversation with musician and reggae icon Ziggy Marley. The talk meanders through topics both profound and playful—exploring spirituality, the cross-section of Jamaican and Jewish culture, food, the philosophy of Rasta, parenthood, the purpose of music, and the challenges of authenticity. True to Club Random’s ethos, the discussion deliberately avoids politics (other than a few universal observations) in favor of exploring personal histories, beliefs, creative energy, and the simple pleasures that make life meaningful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cultural Crossroads: Jamaican Roots and Jewish Traditions

• Ziggy shares how his upbringing in Jamaica weaves seamlessly into his marriage with his Jewish-Israeli wife, Orly.
• The blending of cultural traditions at home—Jamaican plantains, Jewish challah, Shabbat dinners, and Persian roots—showcases the harmonies possible in cross-cultural families.
• The theme of shared humanity, transcending labels and stereotypes, is recurring:
  • “We’re not just crayons in a box. We’re not labels for the stock. We’re not donkey and elephants. We are the people.” – Ziggy Marley (17:58)

2. Food, Trust, and Over-Commercialization

• Both Maher and Marley express mistrust in processed foods and restaurants, highlighting the difficulties in maintaining "quality" in what we ingest—whether food or cannabis.
• The dangers of over-commercialization, especially with legalized cannabis, are discussed, underscoring a desire for natural, unadulterated products.
• Memorable insight: “I don’t like doing anything that I need to do. I want and need it and I don’t want to get like that at all.” – Ziggy Marley (03:50), on both spirituality and substances.

3. Music as Spiritual and Social Practice

• Marley compares his relationship with cannabis to a spiritual sacrament, not a party drug, and describes his music as carrying messages about love, unity, and responsibility.
• Bill recognizes Ziggy’s ability to blend reggae roots with pop sensibility, making his music accessible without sacrificing depth.
• Notable quote: “You synthesized reggae into something that, for me, who grew up on pop, is like the perfect blend.” – Bill Maher (04:01)

4. Spirituality, Religion, and Rasta

• The conversation delves into the intersections between Rastafarianism, Judaism, and Christianity—drawing lines from King Solomon and Queen Sheba to Haile Selassie and modern Jamaica.
• Ziggy clarifies common misconceptions about Jamaica and Ethiopia, explaining the importance of spiritual lineage, symbolism, and practical traditions (45:04–47:50).
• The name “Yeshua” and Jesus’s Jewish roots prompt an exploration of how spiritual teachings are often lost or distorted by followers.

5. Authenticity, Privacy, and the Cult of Personality

• Both discuss the struggle to maintain authenticity when public expectations are high, especially around cultural icons like Bob Marley.
• Ziggy reflects on inheriting shyness from his father, and how being open isn’t always beneficial or safe.
• “It wasn’t always good to be that open. …You don't have to let everyone in.” – Ziggy Marley (36:20)

6. Happiness, Simplicity, and Creative Energy

• Ziggy identifies his happiness as rooted in simple childhood pleasures—mango trees, playing with friends—not possessions.
• On creative energy: “I feel like I had the perfect parents to be what I became.” – Bill Maher (25:42)
• Both agree that joy found in simplicity carries through their respective philosophies.

7. Parenting, Pets, and the Meaning of Family

• Stories range from cooking at home, balancing “alone time” in marriage, and the role of dogs in family life.
• Ziggy relates that growing up with animals in Jamaica (dogs, chickens, goats) grounds his outlook and approach to raising children in Los Angeles.
• “You got to have an animal in the house... It resets your sense of humanity and honesty.” – Bill Maher (71:14)

8. On Sacrifice, Action, and Responsibility

• Both lament the lack of real sacrifice and accountability in modern activism.
• “No sacrifice. We have to sacrifice. And I mean, leadership can come from within the people...The leadership can come from the community level.” – Ziggy Marley (55:55–56:21)

9. Artistry and Cover Songs

• Maher encourages Marley to consider covers, noting many greats, from the Beatles to Prince, have done so.
• Ziggy shares his openness to covering meaningful songs, mentioning his work on "Drive" and reflecting on the legacy of musical reinterpretation (67:02–68:32).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Spiritual Use of Cannabis:
  • “It’s a very private thing for me, you know, it’s very private. Spiritual.” – Ziggy (02:24)
• On Food Trust:
  • “I eat at home before I go out to dinner.” – Bill (05:25)
• On Cross-Cultural Marriage:
  • “Love work if you have that real love.” – Ziggy (10:35)
  • “Eventually them see the love and the love conquer that stereotypical thing...” – Ziggy (11:02)
• On Rasta and Jewish Traditions:
  • “I never feel like I have to physically transform. I was already spiritually who I am. My name is David, because of that reason.” – Ziggy (22:06)
• On Happiness:
  • “It was the simple things that make you happy and that…that’s joyfulness.” – Ziggy (27:41)
• On Authenticity:
  • “It’s about how much you’re willing to let somebody in, how secure or insecure you are. Because insecure people can’t be honest.” – Bill (31:05)
• On Responsibility:
  • “People have to take responsibility. You know, we have a Bill of Rights. We have rights, we also have responsibilities.” – Bill (54:25)
• On Children and Animals:
  • “I grew up with animals in Jamaica. Dogs and cows and goats and chickens.” – Ziggy (71:49)
• On Family and Solitude:
  • “I’ve always been a loner, though. I’ve always been alone.” – Ziggy (39:33)
• On Misinterpretation of Faith:
  • “Very few people who count themselves as Christian have any idea what the example is. Or if they do know, which is probably worse, they ignore it.” – Bill (60:20)
• Closing:
  • “Love is my religion.” – Ziggy (74:47)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Private spirituality and cannabis: 02:24 – 04:01
• Restaurant mistrust, food quality: 05:20 – 08:27
• Cultural fusion at home; meeting wife; raising kids: 09:09 – 11:02
• The meaning of kosher, animal suffering, and tradition: 11:39 – 13:20
• Shyness and performance personas: 31:30 – 34:30
• Rasta’s spiritual roots and connection to Ethiopia: 45:04 – 47:50
• Responsibility & sacrifice in activism: 54:25 – 56:48
• Parenting, pets, and childhood memories: 71:14 – 74:10
• Reflections on privacy, solitude, and marriage: 39:33 – 41:51
• Discussion of covers & musical influence: 67:02 – 68:32
• Closing – the meaning of love as a ‘religion’: 74:47 – end

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Memorable Moments

• Ziggy playfully refusing to smoke on demand, reinforcing the difference between sacrament and stereotype (57:07).
• Bill’s analogy of owning dogs to learning about honesty and simplicity in life (71:14).
• The two bonding over mutual distrust of restaurants and processed foods.
• Ziggy’s earnest breakdown of the Ethiopian–Jamaican connection, debunking flags and symbols (45:04).
• The “union break” joke about needing alone time in marriage (41:51).
• Clever turns of phrase, like Bill checking into hotels as “Billy Barabbas” (51:41).
• Bill’s riff about needing time “off” from being charming (40:23).

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Tone & Atmosphere

The conversation is warm, candid, and humorous, flowing seamlessly between laughter and sincerity. Maher’s comedic instincts play off Ziggy’s philosophical yet down-to-earth approach. The episode embodies Club Random’s mission: two personalities, unfiltered, looking for meaning (and joy) in both the mundane and the spiritual, learning about each other—and themselves.

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Summary prepared for listeners and non-listeners alike—making you feel as if you were right in the club, soaking in the insights, stories, and “random” vibes.

Transcript

[Ziggy Marley]

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[Bill Burr]

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[Ziggy Marley]

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[Bill Burr]

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[Ziggy Marley]

You know you don't trust the restaurants, right? This is a perfect example. Club Random Random.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Ziggy Marley]

Like, he's one of them. Let bar. They know Barabas personally because he robbed them. Club Random.

[Bill Burr]

How are you?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yes, I'm.

[Bill Burr]

You look exactly the same the last time I saw you. You haven't aged a ton.

[Ziggy Marley]

Not yet.

[Bill Burr]

Really? Do you remember that? Like, Yeah, I remember real time.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, I remember real time. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, my gosh, that was fun. And I remember, I was always so surprised. You seemed so exotic. And you live close? Yeah, everybody lives in la.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Yeah, we are.

[Bill Burr]

How long have you been here?

[Ziggy Marley]

About 20 years now.

[Bill Burr]

20?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, like, I met my wife.

[Bill Burr]

Well, you grew up in Jamaica.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, grew up in Jamaica.

[Bill Burr]

How old were you when you left?

[Ziggy Marley]

Like 30. 30.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, you were grown?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Growing up.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Man.

[Bill Burr]

I don't know if you smoke.

[Ziggy Marley]

No. Married right now.

[Bill Burr]

Not right now.

[Ziggy Marley]

Married right now.

[Bill Burr]

I thought you'd be smoking as I walked in. Now, why is that? You're not a big smoker?

[Ziggy Marley]

No, it's a very private thing for me, you know, it's very private. Spiritual. It's a very.

[Bill Burr]

I take that insult.

[Ziggy Marley]

Check what message? Check what message now? Like, yeah, certain parts of my life is not favorable. And for. See, you know, like. And that. You know what I mean? So. I don't know. I've been that way since I was younger. It's like how I grew up with Herb.

[Bill Burr]

Now, this is because it's more of a. Of a sacred sacrament. I see.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

It'd be like me taking communion.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Like, hey, let's have communion.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, if I was still a Catholic. I did as a child. And.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. I mean, not to that level, but I just.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, I see. But it won't offend you if I.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, man. Beloved. Contact.

[Bill Burr]

What does that mean?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Mutatakantaq from you.

[Bill Burr]

Okay. I thought you were speaking a different. It means blessings upon you and your yak. No, thank you.

[Ziggy Marley]

Old patois.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, God.

[Ziggy Marley]

Jamaica.

[Bill Burr]

Contact. Okay.

[Ziggy Marley]

Sometime I try to talk like, you know, so like, you know, you can understand. But.

[Bill Burr]

But do you smoke every day?

[Ziggy Marley]

No. No.

[Bill Burr]

Sometimes not even every day.

[Ziggy Marley]

No. No.

[Bill Burr]

Who are you? Who's under that hat?

[Ziggy Marley]

No, no, I'm not smoking every day. When the feeling. We don't feel when the feeling take us.

[Bill Burr]

You know, I'm. I'm similar. I don't smoke every day.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. And the thing with me is I can take weeks off and months off. It's not something that I need, you know, I don't like doing anything that I need to do. I want and need it and I don't want to get. I don't want to get like that at all.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, so much of your music, which I told you when you were on Real Time, I'm really a fan of. I mean, I feel like you synthesized reggae into something that for me, who grew up on pop, is like the perfect blend of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. But a lot, you know, a lot of the lyrics about you do not like politicians, politicians. And it must bug you that pot, especially in America now, is so political. I mean, because it's legal, so the states are involved. They're getting lots of taxes from it.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right, right.

[Bill Burr]

Does this bug you?

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I really. No. Well, we like the fact that, you know, we're not. We used to have a hide and you know, I used to get searched a lot, you know, coming through customs or whatever because of that. But I like that freedom side of it. But what really, what I'm concerned about is the over commercialization of it and then. Cause you know, just like the food we eat, the herb we smoke, we want to be as natural as possible. You know what I mean? Because we don't want to put shit in our body.

[Bill Burr]

Dude, I grow it right here.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, there you go.

[Bill Burr]

You're sitting yards from where the plant is.

[Ziggy Marley]

Pick some.

[Bill Burr]

Allegedly. No, I kid officer. No, it's legal now. You could have a plant.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

It's not like I have a whole bucking farm out there. But you know, that's the only way you can guarantee what you're getting.

[Ziggy Marley]

What you're getting.

[Bill Burr]

I don't trust them.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, no, that. No. Yeah. No, that's real. That's a good thing.

[Bill Burr]

I don't trust restaurants.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know. You know what I do before I go out to dinner? I eat at home.

[Ziggy Marley]

Me too.

[Bill Burr]

Come on. Really? I met the only other person. It's like, I like the atmosphere of a restaurant and sitting with people, but I don't trust your food.

[Ziggy Marley]

I don't want to go there hungry.

[Bill Burr]

Right, right. And I don't trust what you're doing back there because I know what your game is. You want me to come back to the restaurant. How do you do that? You make something that's so fucking delicious. Right. And it is. Restaurant food is delicious. Although it's not even really a lot. The kind of food I like. I like comfort food, diner food.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

So, like, I will. I basically have dinner and then go out to dinner.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. Right. That's the best.

[Bill Burr]

And then just order a salad.

[Ziggy Marley]

I do that to sometime when I'm going to people's house. Like, even for dinner sometime I like to eat. Let me eat. I don't know what, you know, whatever you guys are cooking for dinner or whatever, that's fine, but let me go at least so that I'm not hungry.

[Bill Burr]

Not that we don't trust you, but we don't trust you. I mean, that's it. I really. It's so hard to keep toxins of all kinds out of your body.

[Ziggy Marley]

And then, you know, we travel a lot, and then, I don't know, like, this is just true. Like, the food here is. Has a different reaction than the food in Europe or in New Zealand where I've had food. You know, we travel, eat the food here. Something. There's something off about it here in terms of when I eat at home, my digestive system process it.

[Bill Burr]

You say your reaction to it.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Like you can feel like. Oh, you can't feel it, you know? So, yeah, the quality. Yeah, we have to put quality in our system, just. Especially now, this age and stuff. So.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, the Rolling Stones wrote about that. Remember Jumping Jack Flash? It's a gas, gas, gas.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's what that was. Gas, gas, gas.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, No, I hear you.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Sometimes I get home, if I have eaten in a restaurant and there will be like, oh, gosh, I can't get to sleep. Well, they probably put sugar or caffeine in some fucking thing that I didn't think they would. Or, you know, they just.

[Ziggy Marley]

I just.

[Bill Burr]

I don't trust them.

[Ziggy Marley]

So you don't have nowhere that you trust? You don't have, like, a spot that you trust?

[Bill Burr]

I trust them. You know what I trust them to do is to treat me well. I mean, like, I love my restaurants here in LA and the atmosphere, and they just do everything. It's just elegant. You feel like, oh, I'm a grownup who grew up and got successful enough to eat at this place, and it feels good.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

But I don't trust your food. No, I just don't. It's just not what you're in the business of doing. It's not a health. If you want health food.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know, go cash a bond and buy your weekly bread at Air1.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get you, I get you. I get you. That's true.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, just. I'm assuming you're. You have a lot of kids, right? You live in a traditional household. Does your wife do the cooking?

[Ziggy Marley]

Well, you know, when she started cooking, the first time in my life, she wasn't doing the cooking.

[Bill Burr]

But then you.

[Ziggy Marley]

She couldn't cook. She couldn't cook.

[Bill Burr]

But then you.

[Ziggy Marley]

You know, when Covid happened, that's when she started doing the cooking. When Covid?

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, we always.

[Ziggy Marley]

She does people. I guess she had to find something to do, you know, but she really. She's gotten really good at it.

[Bill Burr]

Wow.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, she's been so. She's doing a lot of cooking now. I cook, too, but she. She does.

[Bill Burr]

And what other traditional dishes we would find in the Marley house?

[Ziggy Marley]

Well, you know. Well, I'm gonna tell you what we'll cook. I'm gonna cook some fried plantain. Green planting. Fried green planting.

[Bill Burr]

Where you get that?

[Ziggy Marley]

We just buy it anywhere. Any supermarket, really. You buy it green?

[Bill Burr]

I've never seen it in the aisle.

[Ziggy Marley]

What is it you never see? Green plantain.

[Bill Burr]

Green plantain.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. And we'll fry it. You ever had green plantain?

[Bill Burr]

No.

[Ziggy Marley]

No.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, we're not saying plankton, are we?

[Ziggy Marley]

No, not plantain. Plantain.

[Bill Burr]

Plantain. Oh, plantain. Yeah, plantain. Plantain. Yes, I think I have seen it. Or what? Does it look like a banana?

[Ziggy Marley]

It looks like a big banana.

[Bill Burr]

Look like I've seen the big banana.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah. Ye.

[Bill Burr]

I have seen the big banana.

[Ziggy Marley]

You can't eat it ripe or you can eat it green.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, so.

[Ziggy Marley]

Well, I do that. You know, I do. I use it also. I make porridge with it. Planting porridge.

[Bill Burr]

Porridge.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's a kind of tradition. My wife. No, my wife, she's Jewish, so she make challah.

[Bill Burr]

Jewish.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. She born like an Israel. Israel woman.

[Bill Burr]

Isn't that wonderful?

[Ziggy Marley]

So she make challah and she cook, you know, the Shabbat dinner and things like that, so. Right. Yeah, we enjoy it.

[Bill Burr]

Makes holler when you, when you holler. It's great the way the cultures can melt like that. I mean, I did not know that. Married to a Jamaican and a Jewish wife.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

And it works because people are just people, right?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. I mean, it works. Yeah. I mean, it worked. I mean, when, I mean, Romeo says, like, love work. If you love. If you have that real love, love work, you know, and you still have a work at it too. And then, I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't always kosher with the family,

[Bill Burr]

to use a technical term that actually applied.

[Ziggy Marley]

But eventually them see the love and the love conquer that, that, that, that, that stereotypical thing that they see or they want.

[Bill Burr]

Absolutely.

[Ziggy Marley]

You know, when I'm still love, I'm like, oh, this is. All right.

[Bill Burr]

Question is, can you plantain?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. Planting? Kosher, man. Yeah, fine.

[Bill Burr]

You can.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. Kosher.

[Bill Burr]

You can make anything kosher?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, Plant, vegetable, Kosher, man, Vegetables. I think I would.

[Bill Burr]

Right. I, I. You can make anything kosher because it's complete anyway. It's just some guy who's saying this, you know, it's the rabbi blessing, you know, I mean, it's not like they're doing it. They're actually putting, you know, caffeine in it or something.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I think they have certain traditions of how they slaughter the animal and stuff. Like, it's like, it's ancient. It's an ancient. I mean, in commercial farming, this. It's like brute them. Just slaughter the animal. All that fear, all that blood, you know, that stuff affect what you're eating, like.

[Bill Burr]

Correct.

[Ziggy Marley]

So, yes, it's like how you slaughter the animal that you're gonna eat is also significant. So I think that's how. I think that's where that comes from. Like how you do the slaughtering, you know?

[Bill Burr]

Right. I think it's better if the animal doesn't see it coming.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, it's not good for the animal either way, let's be honest. But animals do kill each other. It's like they're blameless. But I feel like animals are smarter than we think. And they know when they're, like, in the slaughterhouse and then they're on the line. And I think that sort of anxiety does affect the Chemistry of the creature that then you are eating. So it's not just, you know, this is not hippie.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, no, it's true. It's true science. Naturally. Naturally. It's natural, you know, so you ever kill? You ever kill an animal? Have you killed?

[Bill Burr]

I have not killed an animal.

[Ziggy Marley]

So you grew up on like a semi farm. So you were killed.

[Bill Burr]

Well, I fished.

[Ziggy Marley]

You fish.

[Bill Burr]

That's killing an animal. Yes. When I was. You're right. When I was 8 or 9 years old, we went out at the shore on the boat and I was very thrilled. And you caught Ling was the fish. And it was not even a good fish. Maybe we found a way to use them, but I think it was just because it was amusement. It was something which is horrible.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

And I killed butterflies.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, that's wicked.

[Bill Burr]

I. I was fine. Come on, you can't. I mean, I don't want to be.

[Ziggy Marley]

But that's wicked.

[Bill Burr]

Zig. I don't want to be held responsible for what I did when I was 20, let alone five or 40.

[Ziggy Marley]

You just get. You're curious.

[Bill Burr]

I just. It was. I don't know, I didn't think I was too young to think about it. It was just a sport again. Like I had a. They gave me a butterfly net and I would go out and, you know, there was.

[Ziggy Marley]

It's in our nature to kill, to be curious.

[Bill Burr]

It's in our nature to kill. And also it's in my nature to collect. I'm a collector, you know. And so I would get them and then. This is so horrible. There was a thing and they called it the killing jar. Because you would. You want it to. You want to kill it in pristine form. Because then my father mounted them, you know, you'd put it in this. We had them on the wall, you know, in glass case.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, I think I've seen that.

[Bill Burr]

It was because they're pretty.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

But it was just barbaric when I.

[Ziggy Marley]

So you catch them on killing and you put them in a glass case.

[Bill Burr]

Yes, the killing jar. And then it was formalda serious. Of course it was the killing jar. I mean, the fact that they left it with a five year old to do is hysterical because I could have been like, yeah, what's in this jar? And been like for the rest of my life. I mean, but people were like that back in the. They weren't that careful with the kids. And so I did. I have killed things. And I'm sure I will pay.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. You know, but you know, at least, you know what it is like. Because like for us, we used to kill our chicken. We used to have chicken and we have to kill the chicken and then we eat the chicken in the evening when we're growing up in Jamaica, you know what I mean? That's how you kill, you know, the chicken. You kill it and you eat it is a part of.

[Bill Burr]

Again, this is why we don't feel too guilty about it. Because if you've ever watched a nature show, you just see the animals in the wild. The hyenas are lovingly drinking by the river and then the lion comes and just rips him to pieces. And it's. You know, they're even like, if my dog got out, the coyotes, the coyotes, which are almost cousins, definite cousins to the dogs, there would be no professional courtesy. There would be no, you know, our species are so close, I can't rightfully feel good about eating you. Oh, no, they will take Paris Hilton's little dog every day of the week.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. No, we are just a part of that same chain of nature though. Like, I mean, the lion and all, you know. We are.

[Bill Burr]

But do you eat meat? Is that part of your.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I don't eat meat.

[Bill Burr]

No. No meat. I ate fish. Fish. I ate fish.

[Ziggy Marley]

Well, I don't eat chicken sometime, but you know, meat. I stopped eating meat long time meat. I don't.

[Bill Burr]

Okay, but I don't understand that distinction. Like, I know people say I'm a pescatorian. I just eat. I mean, if you're willing to kill a living creat who's living his best life. I don't know why you don't go all the way and eat whatever animal.

[Ziggy Marley]

It's not because I don't, like, I don't. I'm not against people killing cows and eating cows, but it's just my digestive system. I don't need it. I don't need to put that. That type of meat inside of my system from. I stopped it. I stopped it when I was young, like. And when I stopped it, it was like a philosophical, spiritual thing. But I just, I can't put it back into my system. Like, it just. I don't feel like. And what I've heard about meat, like eating meat and how the digest, how long it takes to digest and them type of thing that I don't eat meat. So I don't eat it. Not because I have any kind of great idea or nothing. I just so.

[Bill Burr]

But I'm so fascinated by this and your families and I'm always happy to See any sort of cross cultural marriage, My own life. My parents married in 1951, a long time ago. And my father Catholic, my mother Jewish. Not really a practicing Jew, but Jewish. And like good Catholic boys just did not marry Jewish girls in 1951. It was much more outrageous then than interracial marriages today. But I think, you know, this is old school liberalism, not wolf bullshit. That the more we mix, the more we don't even know what we are, the better. You can't have prejudice if you know. And this is a big theme in your music too, is a lot about the people. And you know, we're not just crayons in a box. I love that lyric, that song, that idea. We're not just crayons in a box.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

And what's the next line?

[Ziggy Marley]

We're not labels for the stock.

[Bill Burr]

Yes. Yeah, great.

[Ziggy Marley]

We're not donkey and elephants.

[Bill Burr]

We're not donkey and elephants.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Yes.

[Ziggy Marley]

We are the people. You know, I think a lot of this is probably not what we're solving for. Everybody just. Yeah. Love who you love.

[Bill Burr]

And your Jewish relatives, they're cool with you?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. Even. No. Yeah. By now.

[Bill Burr]

Always were.

[Ziggy Marley]

No. It was a strange. I'm a real strange being. Not only am I not. Not only was I not from here. I don't speak. You know, I'm like. I'm a. I'm a different type of.

[Bill Burr]

It'd be one thing if you married a gentile, but who's this dud, this gymnastic. This is a. Subway stops past that.

[Ziggy Marley]

This is way past. This is way past that. This is a left, left field.

[Bill Burr]

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[Ziggy Marley]

Starting with skepticism and unsurety. And you know. You know, every usually Jewish family want the wife to marry somebody who's Jewish. And you know, continue. That's the whole thing. Continue.

[Bill Burr]

The tribe, or this is, I think, even more common. The Jew marries the non Jew. And then one of them converts. Like, lately, I think it's a lot more people becoming the Jew. You know, they're not Jewish, but the husband is Jewish. And it's like, okay, I'll be a Jew. As if it mattered. But, like, when my mother did it, she didn't become a Catholic, but she had to, like, pretend. They made her go to, like, Catholic. Like, oh, yeah, yeah. And I remember she telling me the priest that did it was cool because he could have been an asshole about it, but he was like, look, I know this is bullshit. You know, this is bullshit. You know, we're gonna. I'm gonna tell you about Catholicism. Cause that's how the kids are gonna be raised. So you'll be educated in it. But like, you don't have to, like, pretend. Okay, I get it. I'm in the church. Believe me, I know this is bullshit. If anybody knows, it's me. Little more lotion on me, Billy. No, I kid the priests.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, no. But let me tell you. Cause the thing with me, my wife and her Jewish heritage is that I was already connected to it from my upbringing through Rastafari. Because we within the Old Testament. Solomon. David, yes. Is the same Iris last year, who is one of the man, you know, in DNA said that is God. He was a lineage from Solomon. So I was already. I feel like I was already right. They are linked, you know, So I was already there.

[Bill Burr]

They are linked.

[Ziggy Marley]

So I never feel like I have to physically transform. I was already spiritually who I am. My name is David. My name is David. Because of that reason, my mother parents named David. My father called me Ziggy. But we were always connected to the traditions. That's why we didn't eat pork. We follow all of the rules then we're kosher. We follow all the kosher rules from growing up. And I didn't know what Jewish was, but these were. This is the way we were living. Anyway, without knowing what Jewish was.

[Bill Burr]

Well, certainly your cooking must have been better. Jewish cooking is famously not.

[Ziggy Marley]

You know, that's the European style, the Middle Eastern style they could use.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, maybe so. I mean, like, matzah.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's.

[Bill Burr]

And you know what? Matzah. Flat, tasteless. And. And the reason why was because they said, you know, the Jews were always so under attack, you know, they had to be ready to leave in a minute. So they couldn't even wait for the bread to rise.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right, right.

[Bill Burr]

It's like, whoa. And you other people are complaining. These. These poor motherfuckers couldn't even wait for the bread to rise. Wow.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

But it is not known as, like, the world's most delicious cuisine.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, not the European. But I'm telling you right now because

[Bill Burr]

I. Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

[Ziggy Marley]

I've experienced it. So may I tell you right now, the European side of things different than the Middle Eastern side of things. You understand the Middle Eastern food?

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, well, that's our.

[Ziggy Marley]

I'm Persian too. Come. Wife is also Persian too. So. The Persian side.

[Bill Burr]

Well, your wife is Persian.

[Ziggy Marley]

Mm, Persian. Israeli.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, well, there's a Persian Jew in the Bible, Esther.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's her bloodline. That's where she from.

[Bill Burr]

And, you know, the David bloodline goes to Jesus. Yeah, yeah, so they say. But they do make a point in the New Testament of making that connection with people, that the line of King David is, you know, begat, begat, begat, begat, begat, begat, begat. Say hello to the Messiah.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

I'm summarizing the Bible, but I'm also not getting it wrong. But, yeah, you're right. All these cross currents. I mean, Islam is an Abrahamic religion. In the Quran, Jesus is in the Koran. He's just not considered the final prophet.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right, right. Yeah, it's all connected, man.

[Bill Burr]

But is that all connected to Rasta?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. Well, we're all connected to it because, you know, we. I guess we're always searching for something and, you know, something.

[Bill Burr]

I hear that a lot, you know.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, I guess that's what it's about, you know, like, the journey of life is exploring. Not just exploring physical, but exploring mental, spiritual too. Let's explore. Let's see God. Is there such a thing?

[Bill Burr]

I'm not doing that much of that, I gotta tell you. But I'm. You know, maybe I'm 70, but, you know, like, I feel like I know who I am. I know what I do. I wanna keep doing it. I like What I do. I like who I hang out with. I'm not sure I'm searching for anything except the next really good streaming series. I'm absolutely searching for that.

[Ziggy Marley]

But where does that come from for me?

[Bill Burr]

You said Netflix.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, you said that. You know, but you said that creative energy that you have, that creativity. Where does that come from, that creativity?

[Bill Burr]

That's a. That's a.

[Ziggy Marley]

Tell me about that.

[Bill Burr]

Deep question.

[Ziggy Marley]

To me, it's the same thing with me.

[Bill Burr]

Deep question.

[Ziggy Marley]

Weirdest shit. Does my. I was just telling somebody. I don't know, like, sometimes the party

[Bill Burr]

of yours comes from DNA. From DNA, and so does mine.

[Ziggy Marley]

Okay.

[Bill Burr]

I. I feel like I had the perfect parents to be what I became. I mean, I became a comedian who. Whose fodder is mostly all the news, but not just politics, but culture. I lived in a house where my father was funny and was in the news business. Okay, so plainly that comes through. And the next generation, you know, I mean, you certainly have, you know, done your father proud with the way you continued on with the, you know, again, the music. But like 2.0. Yeah, it's great. I mean, I like your father's music too.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. No, no. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know, it lends itself really good to, like putting it to a, you know, kind of a. Not a electro beat, but, you know, I mean, they really. Yeah.

[Ziggy Marley]

Them can work with it.

[Bill Burr]

They do it all. Work with it.

[Ziggy Marley]

You can't fit into anything.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, no, you really can. And, you know, and the stuff is so great. And the message is always very positive and upbeat. I've never known a unhappy Jamaican. Maybe they. Maybe they're not. Not happy when they're away from me.

[Ziggy Marley]

I don't know.

[Bill Burr]

I'm gonna take credit. Maybe it's me when I'm around them. I don't think so. I think that. I don't know. Where. Where does that come from?

[Ziggy Marley]

We're not sure.

[Bill Burr]

Where does that come from? That, like, that's true. That. That innate happiness that everybody's trying to get.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, when. Natural tendencies. Happiness.

[Bill Burr]

But why. Why Is it. You think it has something to do with the religion?

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I think. I think it's just how we grew up within Jamaica. That car. What. What brings you happiness? You know, may I say, it wasn't material thing. It wasn't the thing for money. It was going to the mango tree, picking the mango, you know, playing stone. Playing stonewire with your friends. It was the. It was the simple things that make you happy and that. It's. That's joyfulness.

[Bill Burr]

The Mango tree.

[Ziggy Marley]

The mango tree or whatever and just playing on the streets and, you know, you never know anything better.

[Bill Burr]

I love having a mango in my mouth.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Wait, that came out wrong.

[Ziggy Marley]

Jamaica. Plenty of different mango. I was always. When I'm here, I say, man, nothing against the Mexican mango, but Mexican mango ain't got nothing on Jamaican mangoes. We need some Jamaican mangoes. I don't know if there's some kind of trading bargain or what, but we ain't getting no Jamaican mangoes up here.

[Bill Burr]

Maybe it's the horticulture, because, you know, plantains and mangoes were just not part of my youth. It was not a Jersey thing. Where you grew up on New Jersey.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, but what kind of food you grew up on?

[Bill Burr]

What kind of food? Meatloaf.

[Ziggy Marley]

Meatloaf. Meatloaf with a potato. Right?

[Bill Burr]

Just meatloaf. I was a sickly kid a little bit. And so, like, if my mother found something, I did, like, there was, like a year I only ate meatloaf.

[Ziggy Marley]

Stick with that.

[Bill Burr]

Yes, stick with that. Find what works, you know, that's the secret of life, finding what works. For me, it was meatloaf at age 6 or whatever. But, yeah, I'd catch butterflies, I'd kill them, and then I'd go out to meatloaf. I mean, that was my life. But it was normal. I mean, first of all, the food wasn't processed. That's the key difference. It wasn't whether it was vegetarian or meat. It was that it wasn't pork. Poison.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Bill Burr]

My demand.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Bill Burr]

Am I right about the man?

[Ziggy Marley]

True. That's true.

[Bill Burr]

Okay.

[Ziggy Marley]

That is so true.

[Bill Burr]

I know about the man.

[Ziggy Marley]

That true.

[Bill Burr]

Him. I'll that man up.

[Ziggy Marley]

System money. We call it the system, you know?

[Bill Burr]

The system. Yeah, that's right. Against the people.

[Ziggy Marley]

I was looking around here, I'm just, you know, because I'm here, and I was wondering, because I have questions, too, you know, like, Club random. Where did that come from?

[Bill Burr]

Look who I'm talking to. It's so random.

[Ziggy Marley]

Random. Okay, I got you.

[Bill Burr]

It's like, last week it was Sam Harris. This week it's you, you know, next week it's the ghost of Elvis. I mean, you just never know who's gonna be here. And that's what I love about it, you know? I mean, I love. I get to sit here and. I mean, would we be doing this if it wasn't a podcast? Probably. And yet I'm enjoying myself so much.

[Ziggy Marley]

The freedom that. That's the freedom of getting outside of the system.

[Bill Burr]

Right.

[Ziggy Marley]

The man.

[Bill Burr]

So just getting to know somebody, like, for real.

[Ziggy Marley]

Different. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know, this is almost no greater pleasure in life. Maybe. Sexy time. Yes, of course. Nothing can really compete with that. But. But next to that, you know, there's nothing like, just actual communication. Like, oh, I like this guy. I always like this guy. Who is this guy? Like, you know, just. I could go to get in just, you know, an hour or two. You can go so deep. You know, there are people who I've known for 40 years who I don't really know. Cause they just never go to that level.

[Ziggy Marley]

True, true, true.

[Bill Burr]

And there are people who I feel like I know after an hour.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, man. I stand that.

[Bill Burr]

It's about how much you're willing to, like, let somebody in, how secure or insecure you are. Because insecure people can't be honest.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

They're always, like, playing defense. They're always fronting and pretending that. It's like, you know what? Just whatever. I'm. You're not fooling me anyway. And. And so it's just boring.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

But like, somebody like you who's real, you know, it's just. It's always. So I try to have people here who are only real. You can't always win that battle. But, you know, that's true.

[Ziggy Marley]

But in. You know, for me, like, I was always a shy person still. So I feel like some people sometime mistake that, you know, and think I'm, like, standoffish or whatever. But I've always been shy. But I'm coming out of that a little bit now. I think, like, even talking to you here is a little bit of me coming up. Cause we're just talking. This is not an interview.

[Bill Burr]

Correct.

[Ziggy Marley]

We're just talking.

[Bill Burr]

Correct. About that.

[Ziggy Marley]

You know what I'm gonna say.

[Bill Burr]

No one could ever accuse this of being overproduced or produced in any way. And that's the way I like it. But, like, see, a lot of people would say, when you go, I'm shy. Cause I was the same way, painfully shy as a kid. Especially in an adolescent. Just when you really need not to be shy to talk to girls, you are. It was horrible. But they hear you say that and go, what are you talking about? You guys, you get on stage in front of thousands of people. How can you be shy? And they don't realize that. It's a whole different thing. You can be shy in front of two people and not shy in front of 10,000. Because it's an audience. It's not a Person.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right, right, right. A different experience. That.

[Bill Burr]

Not that we don't love them individually, but they're not an individual in that thing. And they're not also in control and they're not talking back. Well, sometimes they are, but in general, it's a different relation. It is a different kind of relationship.

[Ziggy Marley]

It is.

[Bill Burr]

It is. I'm doing something for you, and you want me to do it for you. So we have this wonderful sort of symbiotic relationship. You want me to do the thing I do well, and I do it for you to give you that gift.

[Ziggy Marley]

Because I remember I did something for my kids school. One of them have like a fundraising thing, you know, and they mark to perform. So I usually. I carry my kids, go to school or whatever, and I did a show and this teacher was like. She couldn't believe it's the same person. Because when I carry my kids to school, I'm like. But when I'm on stage, it's a different thing. It's a different energy, you know? So true, woman. Yeah, right.

[Bill Burr]

What did they expect you to walk into the school with the kid and burst into song? No. Yeah.

[Ziggy Marley]

It's funny too. Cause I always want, you know. Cause I wrote my father, right? Talk a little bit with my father. Cause there's this image of my father out there in other world, you know, with the girls and just Bob Marley, you know, like. And when I was growing up, after him passed away, I was growing up and I was shy. And, like, I didn't see my father as a shy person. Like, after him passed away, like, what my mindset was about him. But then one of his oldest friends, Neville, who was, you know, who was around him, like, one day said to me, one day we were talking, and he must say, you know, people think Bob was like a girls man who, like chase girls. And I said, no, my father was a shy man. It kind of meant me kind of. Go ahead.

[Bill Burr]

To be fair, when you're Bob Marley, especially in Jamaica, you can be a shy man. The girls will still chase you. Okay? You don't need to be an unshy man when you are the biggest badass on the block. I mean, that's true. We were talking about human nature before. That's true.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's true.

[Bill Burr]

It is human nature for the female to want to get with the alpha male.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's true.

[Bill Burr]

So I'm not saying I don't know.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's true. That's true.

[Bill Burr]

I don't know anything.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's true. That's true. That's true.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, but I'm guessing, you know, there are certain people, you know, men are always looking for an opening line.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right, right.

[Bill Burr]

That's right. Corny ones, you know, but did it hurt when you drop from heaven? You know, that kind of bullshit. Your father's opening line was high. Thank you very much.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

So kind of you to say those compliments to me. That was his opening line. Okay, It's a little different.

[Ziggy Marley]

I get you.

[Bill Burr]

I get you. Yeah, yeah.

[Ziggy Marley]

But no, it kind of made me understand some of my traits of why I am the way I am too, you know, by understanding some of his traits in that way. So. Yeah, you don't have.

[Bill Burr]

Like, what? Like, see, for me, I got through my father. Funny. Politics came right through. You think the same with your father?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, I mean, Bob is like. I think I even take it to another level because he was much more, like, open than I. Than I. I am. And I was. And that was one of the problem too, because him letting everything and everyone, you know, and it wasn't always good. It wasn't always good to be that open. And it cost you to be that open, too.

[Bill Burr]

What do you mean? Open about what?

[Ziggy Marley]

Just people. Just put anybody. Whatever, whatever. Just open. You know what I mean? Just like.

[Bill Burr]

You mean his life was too public?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, public. Not in the sense of what we think about. No, like press and. Not like that way, but

[Bill Burr]

like the people.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, the people.

[Bill Burr]

The whole island thought they knew him and owned him. He was bigger than just his family. He had to be. He was. He was.

[Ziggy Marley]

And then in a way, your inner circle, you know who's in your inner circle?

[Bill Burr]

Do you.

[Ziggy Marley]

In a way, I feel like if. If him didn't have the ability to say, I don't want you in my inner circle. But he was too compassionate. Because he was, you know, he was too. It's too much. So we thing I learned from that, really. Some of like, I. I don't really have friends. I don't really deal with friends in terms of that.

[Bill Burr]

You don't have an entourage?

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I'm gonna have an entourage.

[Bill Burr]

I have a fucking awesome entrepreneur. Red and Sunny West.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

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[Ziggy Marley]

I'm a loner. I've always been a loner, though. I've always been alone.

[Bill Burr]

I say that about myself. When you're married. How can you be a loner if you're married?

[Ziggy Marley]

Married.

[Bill Burr]

I'm not married and I've never been married. That's a loner.

[Ziggy Marley]

I can be alone when I'm married too.

[Bill Burr]

You wife didn't want to hear that. Especially at yours.

[Ziggy Marley]

She knows. She knows sometime I'm so.

[Bill Burr]

She's cool. She knows when you need.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. She know, man. She know.

[Bill Burr]

That's the best kind of woman.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. That's why it work.

[Bill Burr]

That's why it works. No, I. I know. I feel the same way.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, you have to have that.

[Bill Burr]

It's you and.

[Ziggy Marley]

But sometimes as a man, you also have to make sure that too, because you can sacrifice that for everything. You know, you need that. I need that.

[Bill Burr]

Need what?

[Ziggy Marley]

That time.

[Bill Burr]

Yes, of course.

[Ziggy Marley]

You understand. So as a man, you also have to make sure you get that.

[Bill Burr]

Well, you know what it is. Look, you're a charming guy. I'm a charming guy. No one has enough charm to be charming that much of the time. You know what I'm saying? I can be so fucking charming. Not 24, seven every week, every month. Can I get a week off from being charming? Because it's like when I get up in the morning, I'm not in a bad mood, right? I'm just not in the mood to talk to you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I'm not grouchy. Only grouchy because you're trying to talk to me. I'm having a great time in my head because it's morning time, my morning noon. And this, you know, I'll talk to you later in the day.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, we understand that. It's real. Is that reality? That's reality. No, you have to find a woman who can't deal with that. It's just.

[Bill Burr]

It's all.

[Ziggy Marley]

You know what I say?

[Bill Burr]

It's so about acceptance and it's balance too.

[Ziggy Marley]

It's balance. Cause you still have a balance, what a woman needs also, you know, you have. It's compromising too, your own selfish things. Sometimes you got. You gotta give a little bit and take a little bit. You know, that's how. That's how. That's how I am. That's how I stay. But, you know, every time there's sometime I say, all right, I'm on a union break. I'm taking a union break. And then she laugh and the kids laugh. I'm on a union break, guys.

[Bill Burr]

Well, I stayed unmarried for one reason. No woman, no crush. Sorry. No, I'm kidding. No, I mean, you know, we bro.

[Ziggy Marley]

Marriage. Listen, it's not about marriage. It's about love. So I don't see myself. I'm married to my wife out of love, not out of the. The thing of marriage is really a spiritual thing between you and a woman. You don't have to be married in society to have love with a woman. Or I don't know how many women. I don't know.

[Bill Burr]

Whatever.

[Ziggy Marley]

Araman. So it's like.

[Bill Burr]

Or a zoo animal.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, the marriage. The marriage thing is not. Is not the idea. I stick. I stick to that love thing because I could have been with my wife and not married and still love her the same way. And we're married and we love the same way. Like the marriage is like. It's the icing. If you want to put icing on the cake, but the cake is still good without icing. You know what I say?

[Bill Burr]

The cake is still good. But with the Jewish woman, I would put a Ring on it.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, you have to.

[Bill Burr]

Now you're talking to people. I know. Okay.

[Ziggy Marley]

You have to. Okay.

[Bill Burr]

I know Jewish girls from New Jersey.

[Ziggy Marley]

You want to put a ring on it, too, though, bro. You got. You want to put a ring on it.

[Bill Burr]

No, I mean, you want to put a ring on. Rings. Rings. This is a. This is a health ring. I'm not married. This is. You have one of these rings?

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I'm gonna have one of them.

[Bill Burr]

But you know what?

[Ziggy Marley]

That is some kind of ring.

[Bill Burr]

It does. It does. It measures all your. You. I mean, I. I think mine was reprogrammed by ei.

[Ziggy Marley]

I mean, what does it do? It meant. What does it do?

[Bill Burr]

Mine tells me my dick is. Is amazing. I. I don't. I don't know what the other ones do, but it just says my erections are through the roof now. Maybe. Maybe it's the way I programmed it.

[Ziggy Marley]

I don't know.

[Bill Burr]

No.

[Ziggy Marley]

So I don't like jewelry really. So my.

[Bill Burr]

What's that?

[Ziggy Marley]

Every. Every. But here. Here. Why. I mean, this is.

[Bill Burr]

That must be a lion.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, this is a lion.

[Bill Burr]

A symbol.

[Ziggy Marley]

This is my wedding ring. But I asked my wife to. I want. If I wear my wedding ring, ring. It's not.

[Bill Burr]

It's.

[Ziggy Marley]

It just. It have to have more meaning than just what society want it means. So I had her put Hebrew inside of the ring with like. With like, the name of God and stuff like that. So when I put it on, there's a symbology to it. It that is. That is spiritual and goes beyond a paperwork thing. You know what I mean? So that's. So. Yeah. So.

[Bill Burr]

But the lion. Let me. Are there lions in Jamaica?

[Ziggy Marley]

Ethiopia, yeah, Ethiopia. Although we call ourselves lions, you know, we have a handshake in Jamaica. We don't. We have a hand style in Jamaica called a lion paw handshake.

[Bill Burr]

People still get the connection wrong, don't they, between Jamaica and Ethiopia? I mean. Well, do we really understand. Does the public really understand that connection with.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, no, no. No, they don't.

[Bill Burr]

Well, tell us.

[Ziggy Marley]

A lot of people. Funny. A lot of people think the Ethiopian flag is Jamaican because they don't understand that. They see the red, gold, and green and say it's a Jamaican. Our flag is green, black and yellow color. But because they associate Rasta and that color with Jamaica from, you know, my father and those.

[Bill Burr]

But isn't there a connection with Haile Selassie in Ethiopia?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. I mean, it's from the faith of Rastafari, right? No, the whole story, according to what I understand was that again, we're the people in Jamaica who took on the fate of Rastafari, you know, them believing of the Bible and the prophecies of the Bible. And so there's a part of the Bible that tells you the prophecy of the coming of Helislassia, the Kings of Kings, the Lords of Lord the Conquering. He has all the titles that is written in the Bible, including lion. Yeah. And so that was the beginning of that connection. And then there was also a rebellious nature about coming out of independence from England, out of slavery, out of the white Jesus imagery, to find a blessing, black representation of God that is not the white Jesus that came from slavery and colonization. So that was another. That was the edge that Rasta had, that rebellious nature. And then the locks come from the Old Testament, the vow of the Nazarene, which also in the New Testament, Jesus was a Nazarene.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, he was Jesus of Nazareth.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right.

[Bill Burr]

He was not born in Bethlehem.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right. And John was also. So. So the hair. You kept your hair unkempt. You don't cut your hair. You don't drink. No alcohol. All of these type of traditions. So that's. That's a lot of connection there. And then with Ethiopia. Ethiopia connection is through the line of Solomon and Queen Sheba.

[Bill Burr]

Right? Queen Sheba, right.

[Ziggy Marley]

Who was a queen of Ethiopia. She went to the land of Israel at the time, the Hebrew land. And she and Solomon had a child. She had a child in Ethiopia, Menelik. And then that's where the lineage and the connection started with the Hebrew side of things, you know? So, yeah, the connection that really the Bible would say.

[Bill Burr]

Solomon knew her.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. You know the story of how he got. How supposedly he got her.

[Bill Burr]

Tell me.

[Ziggy Marley]

All right, so the story is she went into the palace or whatever, you know, bedtime, and she never want to get with Solomon. But Solomon said to her, listen, all right, you don't want. But listen, if you touch anything of value of mine, then we got to get together. Don't. Don't touch any more valuables, by the way.

[Bill Burr]

Drake says the same thing. If you touch anything valuable about it.

[Ziggy Marley]

So when Solomon prepared the dinner, Solomon. This is a story Solomon told the chef. Put a little extra salt. Put a little extra salt in the meal. You know, you don't trust the restaurants.

[Bill Burr]

Right, Right.

[Ziggy Marley]

This is a perfect example. Why put a little extra salt. So after they had dinner, thing. Queen Sheba went to the bed and thing. And in the night, she got really thirsty, you know, so she was looking for some water. So she said a thing of water. And she said, oh, here, let me drink some water to Ken Honduras. And Simon was like, aha. I tell you, if you touch anything of value of mine. And she was like, that's just water.

[Bill Burr]

Water.

[Ziggy Marley]

And he's like, that's the most valuable

[Bill Burr]

thing in the desert. Yeah.

[Ziggy Marley]

And that's. And they had a baby. That's the story. The most valuable thing was the water. Not the fancy gold, not whatever jewelry or not.

[Bill Burr]

And Solomon is the son of David.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Right. So it's David and then Solomon and Solomon. Of course we know. I mean, if people know anything about him wise, because he's the one who.

[Ziggy Marley]

The baby.

[Bill Burr]

The baby. The story of the baby. And what. Tell the story about splitting the baby. Splitting the baby.

[Ziggy Marley]

Those two people, two women were saying, this the same. This is my baby.

[Bill Burr]

Two women were both claiming that this baby.

[Ziggy Marley]

I'm gonna cut the baby in two. And the real mother was like, no, no, give it to her. Give it to her.

[Bill Burr]

Because that's what the real mother would do. Yes.

[Ziggy Marley]

And that was the wisdom of Solomon right there.

[Bill Burr]

Right. That's the movie Sophie's Choice. Sophie's Choice, dad, you know the movie.

[Ziggy Marley]

I've heard of the movie. Never seen that.

[Bill Burr]

Meryl Streep.

[Ziggy Marley]

Well, is that what it's like?

[Bill Burr]

I mean, she basically. It's too sad. I don't want to go into it. It's very sad. But, you know, it's a kind of a holocaust story with the baby. And it's similar. You know, she has to make a terrible choice. Terrible choice about the baby. I mean, you know, among the horrible things that humans do is force unbelievably horrible choices on other humans.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. I mean, leadership, you know, I feel like the world human, like there's. We have a leadership issue. I think the human race have the possibility for we are to do good, to be good, to be better. But the top, there's something going on at the top that I don't know.

[Bill Burr]

But who puts the people at the top? That's the question. It's like, true. How do people get to that place? Because it must in some way. Either it's by election or just by acquiescence. Everybody else, all of us taking a little responsibility and saying, well, you know, true, somebody else could be at the top. But that's who came from us, who either fooled us.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right.

[Bill Burr]

Or in some way actually engaged us in wanting that person at the top. I mean, it's so easy to yell at politicians. And I agree. They deserve to be yelled at. You're right. I mean, you know, when I hear you yelling at them, it's like. It's a very satisfying feeling in the song. But, like, the deeper issue is how did they get there?

[Ziggy Marley]

True, true.

[Bill Burr]

You know, Hitler got elected. He was elected. People don't remember that.

[Ziggy Marley]

True.

[Bill Burr]

And I don't know, I mean, Jesus was put on trial when they brought him in to Pontius Pilate.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

It was the time of year. It was this time of year, actually, when traditionally the Romans would release one prisoner. So they had this other prisoner. Barabbas. Yeah, you know him? Why are you laughing?

[Ziggy Marley]

I know the story. I don't know.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, yeah, it's a great story. And it's a great name by the way, I use it when I check into a hotel. Billy Barabbas, see if they're on their toes.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's a good one. That's a good one.

[Bill Burr]

But so you know the story of Barabbas? What is it? Tell me, tell me.

[Ziggy Marley]

Because you check Barabbas, and this is a trick.

[Bill Burr]

Well, who was Barabbas?

[Ziggy Marley]

Barabbas was like a. Is like a gangster, like a people guy, you know?

[Bill Burr]

Like a what?

[Ziggy Marley]

A people. Like one of the. Like a don. Like a don. You know? You know, a dun. For the. For the people.

[Bill Burr]

He's a low life thief.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, but for the people, it's like he's one of the low. They're low life.

[Bill Burr]

Where.

[Ziggy Marley]

He's one of us.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Ziggy Marley]

Like he's one of them. Let Barab. They know Barabbas personal, you know, it's like, yeah, let Baralas go because he robbed them.

[Bill Burr]

That's why they know him personally.

[Ziggy Marley]

They still choose him, you know, but. No, you're right. But the people chastise.

[Bill Burr]

But wait, wait, we gotta go back to why this is relevant. So Barabbas. So it's Easter time.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

So Pontius Pilate says, okay, you know what? Because we're good people. I mean, you've heard a lot of things about the Romans. We're this, we're that. We kill everybody. We'd conquer. Okay, sure, like you're a person. But every year at Easter time, here's what we do. We let one prisoner go and we make this into a game show. We let the people decide.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right?

[Bill Burr]

So they had Jesus and they had Barabbas.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right?

[Bill Burr]

And they gave the people the choice. Who would you like to let go? Son of God. This perfect.

[Ziggy Marley]

This crazy guy who said he's a

[Bill Burr]

son of God, this perfect light this

[Ziggy Marley]

mentally ill guy that would have said, you know, this crazy guy, he said he's a son of God or, you

[Bill Burr]

know, sonny Liston in 1965, you know, Barabbas. And the people pick Barabbas. Yeah, I just think of that every year when I lose the Emmy. You know what I'm saying? People are not great at choosing. They're just not, you know, but if they hadn't chosen Barabbas, then Jesus wouldn't have been crucified, and then what would we be wearing around our necks?

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right.

[Bill Burr]

Well, you know, what kind of bling could you have? Not a cross.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. But we still need our message. We have to do something we cannot do. We cannot sit back and accept that.

[Bill Burr]

Accept what?

[Ziggy Marley]

Accept that, oh, the people make bad choices. So that's the way it is, you know, that's.

[Bill Burr]

No, not the way it is, but the people have to. It has to start with the people, you know, both positively and negatively. People have to take responsibility. You know, you have a Bill of Rights. We have rights. We also have responsibilities. True, true. I mean, people are not educated on what the fuck's up. Basically, if I may use a technical term, they don't know what the fuck's up. So, you know, I have limited sympathy when they make stupid choices because they didn't do the hard work of educating themselves or getting involved. I mean, I hear all the time, people come up to me, usually people in fancy restaurants who are doing very well or enjoying all the privileges of the life. They hate privilege, but the life is just nothing but fucking privilege. Okay, Bill, what are we gonna do? And like, you know what. You know what they do in other countries if they really think things are this bad? They go on strike. They have a national strike.

[Ziggy Marley]

They sacrifice.

[Bill Burr]

They sacrifice.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's we.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, stop ordering from Amazon.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, they sacrifice.

[Bill Burr]

You really hate what's going on with the environment so much, and yet every meal is delivered from grubhub.

[Ziggy Marley]

Sacrifice.

[Bill Burr]

An environmental disaster. You're into crypto. An environmental disaster. You know, just. I don't see. I see a lot of talk. I don't see a lot of action.

[Ziggy Marley]

No sacrifice.

[Bill Burr]

No sacrifice.

[Ziggy Marley]

We have to sacrifice. And I mean, leadership can come from within the people in terms of. Start at that level, let's take the leadership at that level. Instead of like, you know, for. Be the biggest president or the biggest whatever, but the leadership can come from the community level to. To. And start it that way. That's the only way I feel like I can get.

[Bill Burr]

Get.

[Ziggy Marley]

And the music is a Part of that, too. That's why, you know, the whole, the whole pop culture, you're a part of that. We're all a part of that. Because we still have a push out, that energy out there for people, you know, we still have to do that. We're all a part of that. You know, we have. We have to fight them too. We have a. Just like they putting out. Just like they doing their thing. They're doing their. Whatever they're doing for them. We have to punch back as hard with all that stuff, with what we doing. You know, we have influence too. We can.

[Bill Burr]

You know, when they go low, we go lower.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, bro, we go lower and smarter too. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

God's not looking. He was called away from his desk. Okay. You know, I know it's sacred, you see.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Sacred to me.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. And I'm true to myself. I don't. You know, when I have a song called. So I have to live up to that song. No, I'm not. Yeah, I don't. You know, I'm going to try. Like. Yeah, I remember one time I was in Holland on a radio show and they would be like, you like, hey, you know, I'm a smoke on the thing. I'm going say, yo. I don't. I don't smoke on demand. You know, I don't. I don't do that. I'm not like that. I'm not.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, but that must be very disappointing to people.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, it is. It is. It is. Because they want that imagery the more that thing, you know. But I mean, it's like the Pope

[Bill Burr]

coming out and they're like, put the cross away. It's just not what I am all about. Okay? I mean, I don't know what you've read about me.

[Ziggy Marley]

That is so true. The Pope. That is true.

[Bill Burr]

You know, Catholic, this whole thing. Yes, I am. But I don't have to fucking see it all the time. All right, we get it. He died on the cross.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's true.

[Bill Burr]

But is Jesus part of Rasta? Is he one?

[Ziggy Marley]

Come on. Yeshua, Yeshua, Yeshua. We're not coming to Jesus, right?

[Bill Burr]

The Jewish. That's the Jewish name.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, that's his name. That's the right name.

[Bill Burr]

Well, very few people were more Jewish than Jesus.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, that's. His name is Yeshua. His name is not Jesus.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, for the first hundred years of Christianity, it was really just an offshoot of Judaism. You know, Jesus is a very big character in Judaism. I mean, he was born in a Jewish man, in a Jewish. You know, it's amazing how many kids are dumb enough not to understand this. Like, jesus, Jewish, he's Christian. It's so stupid. Exactly. I mean, this is how bad the schools are that they don't teach this basic idea. Yes, there could not have been any Christianity if he wasn't a Jew. First. He was a Jew. But I'm telling you, for, like, the first hundred years, you know, there were no Christians. They were like Christian Jews. There were people who. These crazy people who thought, oh, this is the Messiah.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right. This is right.

[Bill Burr]

Whereas the old guard was like, no, this isn't the Messiah. We're still waiting.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right, right, right.

[Bill Burr]

You know, I mean, I never understood what that personality schism was all about, but it's interesting to me that some people were all about, no, no, no, no, we still need to wait. And some people were like, no, this is it. This is the guy.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, it's just. I feel like it's not really about whether he is the guy or not. It's more about your personality and the way you see the world. And some people like to keep waiting, and some people like to keep things as they are. And some people are like, no, this the new thing. This is great. He is the Messiah. Come on, get on board.

[Ziggy Marley]

And then they miss the teaching, and then they miss the lifestyle, the mission, them. Take that and put that up as the thing like, oh, he's the Messiah. He's Jesus. And I believe in Christianity. But how you're living your life, his example. You're not living his example. No, but you only live in that, you know, wearing the cross but not living the example of Christ. So it's. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Very few people who count themselves as Christian have any idea what the example is. Or if they do know, which is probably worse, they ignore it.

[Ziggy Marley]

They ignore it.

[Bill Burr]

They ignore it. They just. It's just. It's too hard to live up to. It is, yeah, love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek. These are just not. And people just will tie themselves in intellectual knots to find their way back to some justification, you know, when they can say, like, fucking the poor, or, it's what Jesus would have wanted. What Bible are you reading? Yeah, it's just crazy. You know, he was such a hippie and the Republicans love him.

[Ziggy Marley]

Well, man, sometimes I understand how they miss. I like how, as you say, people, like, it's so easy for, like, fool people, fool the masses. It's like, I see it clearly and I'm like, how come nobody's not seeing what, like, the clarity that I'm seeing what's going on. Like, we're. It's really interesting to me, though, looking at that whole Christian thing.

[Bill Burr]

That's what makes it a great thing to write about, right?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, don't you get your inspiration to write a song? I mean, there's always, like a meaning behind it, you know, it's very. I mean. I mean, your culture has the reputation of you know, just, you know, don't worry, be happy. But there's a lot of deep shit, you know, in you and your father's stuff, you know, I mean, it's not just true, you know, it is true. It's not just the surface of life. I mean. I mean, it is. There is a happiness there. I don't. I never. I'm telling you, every Jamaican I've ever known was like their default setting.

[Ziggy Marley]

Right? That's true.

[Bill Burr]

Was happy and smiling and. I don't know where that comes from.

[Ziggy Marley]

You made the herb. I don't know.

[Bill Burr]

You think it's the herb?

[Ziggy Marley]

Maybe Jimmy.

[Bill Burr]

I mean, it's made me happy for 50 years, you know. 50 years and still not addicted. Isn't that awesome?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. You have control of yourself. But that's my thing with me. Like, I'm not a control freak, but almost can control myself and not let others or anything else control me or tell me when or. What we need to do is. That's a part of my attitude.

[Bill Burr]

Who are you threatened? Will control you?

[Ziggy Marley]

Anything like watching. Watching the news, watching a movie. If your mind is not strong enough, these things can influence you. Listening to a song, something negative. These things can go in your brain and over and over again, eventually it influence your mind. It's a humanity in me. Love for all humanity, man. I'm not partial. I'm not partial.

[Bill Burr]

It shines through everything you ever recorded.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know, either you're the greatest actor in the world.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I'm not.

[Bill Burr]

Which I don't think. I think that that's it or that's who you are. And I think that too.

[Ziggy Marley]

Real thing.

[Bill Burr]

No, I know.

[Ziggy Marley]

You are a real man. Not drunk man. I.

[Bill Burr]

No, I get it.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yes, man. Oh, and it's.

[Bill Burr]

And it's great, you know, I mean, like there's two times in the day I feel where you really need and want and, dare I say, deserve, because I'm Gen Z positivity. One is when you wake up and one is before you go to bed. Like, before I go to bed. I know this is bad because it's light. True. I get it. Not Good. But I watch tv. Yeah, that's like me too much. It's sacred to me. Just like Rasta is CEO. This is. You want to sacred for an atheist who never got married. It's watching TV before you get married. And not on my phone or the iPad. I got a big ass screen, okay. Like I'm at the fucking cineplex. All right? Assholes watching on your phone. And, you know, before I go to bed, I want to watch tv, but there are some things I don't want to see. You know, I mean, I. I started watching a series last night, which I do want to watch. It's with Nicole Kidman. And, you know, I mean, I was reading the review, and my girl said to me, what are you gonna watch? I said, yeah. She said, why? I said, because I trust her.

[Ziggy Marley]

Mm.

[Bill Burr]

Which is the highest compliment I could give to someone in show business. I trust you. You have. Every time I watch something that you're in, it's almost always good. You pick good projects, you're always good in them. But it's about a fucking serial killer doctor. I don't want to. It's like, before I go to bed, I do not want to see autopsy scene where the mangled body of the sexually abused victim. Okay. You know, and also when I wake up.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know, I have a special playlist just for waking up. And it's almost all songs with the word beautiful in the title. You know the Ray Stevens song, Everything is Beautiful. That'd be a great one to do, Reagan. That would be great. You know this song Everything is beautiful in its own way. Yes. With a child chorus on it. You should. Yeah, man. I'm telling you, that'd be. Yeah, man. No, I mean it. Yeah, man.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man.

[Bill Burr]

Don't yeah, come on. Don't yeah, man me.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. Yeah, man.

[Bill Burr]

Joe. Yeah, man me. What, you mean it?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yo. No, no. I'm taking in everything.

[Bill Burr]

Everything is beautiful in its own way. Like the starry summer night In a snow covered wind. Everyone is beautiful yeah. In their own way. It's so true. It's so you.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's true.

[Bill Burr]

You don't be. Don't be too good to do a cover. You don't need them. But, you know, a lot of great people have done covers. There's no shame in doing a cover.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, I'm not shame in doing a cover.

[Bill Burr]

Have you ever done a cover?

[Ziggy Marley]

I did Drive.

[Bill Burr]

Drive.

[Ziggy Marley]

I did Drive for the Adam Sandler movie with Drew Barrow. More.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, cool.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. And actually started doing that song live. Cause Usually I don't like doing covers. That's true. I don't like doing covers.

[Bill Burr]

But beatles did 18 beatles. The beatles, 60s moptop group. They were big in England. Never hit here. I don't know what happened. They tried. Just flopped. But yeah, yeah, 18 covers.

[Ziggy Marley]

18 covers. And some people don't even know it was covers, do they? Some of the fandom, they might not know it was covers.

[Bill Burr]

I. I feel like. I feel like a. It'd be harder to find musical artists who didn't ever do a cover. Oh. But yeah, because that's true, you know. And you know, Prince did covers. Prince bet you, by golly. Well, remember that.

[Ziggy Marley]

That was creative. Prince do that one. Did that one.

[Bill Burr]

Bet yout by golly wow. By the Stylistics.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, I know that song. But I never know Prince do a ver.

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, you don't.

[Ziggy Marley]

What do you say?

[Bill Burr]

Exactly. But I do.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Let me look it up now.

[Bill Burr]

Don't with me on this, man.

[Ziggy Marley]

When did he do that one? Like back in the early, early years.

[Bill Burr]

It can't give you the year. But, but, but check it out.

[Ziggy Marley]

Let's check it.

[Bill Burr]

That's you, by golly wow, by Prince. You're going to do that, and then you are going to do a cover of Everything Beautiful by Race the Stevens. But yeah, wake up in the morning, you got to hear that. You got to hear Barbara Streisand's. You got to get up every morning with the smile on your face and tell the world that you're beautiful again.

[Ziggy Marley]

You serious?

[Bill Burr]

I'm telling you. Telling you, you got to get up to good. You got to go to bed tonight. You can't go to bed to an autopsy.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, no, no.

[Bill Burr]

And you can't get up to it. And like, you know, your stuff would work on either end of the day.

[Ziggy Marley]

You know, I like my new stuff. I like my new stuff. I tell people that this is the only album I did that I listened to, not as the artist that did it, but just as a listener. Like, it really uplift me because I think that's why I wrote some of the songs to kind of from a mental emotional health.

[Bill Burr]

Well, tell me about it. This is when is called Bright side. It's not even out now.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, no, it is. We have a single out called Racism is a Kid.

[Bill Burr]

But when is it out?

[Ziggy Marley]

April 18th on vinyl.

[Bill Burr]

April 18th.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Perfect timing for doing this podcast.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

It's weird how that works.

[Ziggy Marley]

We have to make it work well.

[Bill Burr]

And when was your last studio album? It's been a While.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, last one. Last one was a kids project, but it was during the pandemic thing, so that wasn't really done. You know, it's been a while.

[Bill Burr]

Wow, the pandemic did a lot for you. Albums, Jewish cooking, dog.

[Ziggy Marley]

We got a dog too.

[Bill Burr]

I do got a dog.

[Ziggy Marley]

We got a dog.

[Bill Burr]

God, let's have a pandemic every dog

[Ziggy Marley]

years, let me tell you.

[Bill Burr]

You have a dog. What's your dog?

[Ziggy Marley]

He's a water dog.

[Bill Burr]

A water dog.

[Ziggy Marley]

He hypoallergenic? Cause the kids kind of have allergies and stuff, you know.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, really?

[Ziggy Marley]

My wife was. No, it might be, but it's like, it's not shedding. It doesn't shed.

[Bill Burr]

Oh, cool.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, no, my wife, Orly, her name is Orly, she was so against it at the time because it's really, you know, she takes on a lot of responsibilities. You know, My wife, you know, she really kind of have that kind of personality where, you know, kids are a handful right here and the dog would be another kid. So she was very reluctant about it. But eventually she loved the dog more than probably I love him, you know, like if I dis, she's like, no, no, no. So you didn't even want the dog. And I can't talk to the dog, like so.

[Bill Burr]

But the kids love the dog.

[Ziggy Marley]

The kids love the dog. It's good. Yeah. My nine year old have a good body.

[Bill Burr]

You got to have an animal in the house. You do. Because it resets your sense of humanity. It resets your sense of. Of honesty. Honesty. That's what's the best thing about pets.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

They're honest.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

They don't lie. They don't know how to lie.

[Ziggy Marley]

They don't care.

[Bill Burr]

They have no care.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

They have no pride. And they want that biscuit.

[Ziggy Marley]

Oh, yeah.

[Bill Burr]

You know.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

Or, you know, you can just give them stuff you wouldn't eat. Yeah, no pride.

[Ziggy Marley]

That's true.

[Bill Burr]

And it just. It just gives you perspective on life.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man, that's true. I grew up with animals. I grew up with animals in Jamaica. Dogs and cows and goats and chickens.

[Bill Burr]

You ate.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, and chickens. And when I was younger, I started learning to, you know, do my own farming and stuff like that. So I grew up.

[Bill Burr]

They have chickens around the house. Is that was a thing? I mean, whenever I see like film of Jamaica, there's always chickens.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. Chicken. On street dogs. We usually have some street dogs. Yeah. Brown. Whatever color they is, that's what we call him. Brownie, blackie, whitey.

[Bill Burr]

I Had a dog named Black.

[Ziggy Marley]

He was Black.

[Bill Burr]

Of course, I'm not that ironic. Yeah, Jet Black.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, Jet Black. Black.

[Bill Burr]

Black. His real name was Ebony, but I never really liked Ebony a little bit. It was a little fay.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, you know, Black.

[Bill Burr]

It just sounded it.

[Ziggy Marley]

I'm lucky with that.

[Bill Burr]

You have to like the name of the dog.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah.

[Bill Burr]

And now I have Chula, who's very old.

[Ziggy Marley]

Such a connection.

[Bill Burr]

It's.

[Ziggy Marley]

Oh yeah, such a connection, man.

[Bill Burr]

So, you know, I'm, I'm facing being a empty nester.

[Ziggy Marley]

So you'll get more, you'll get another dog.

[Bill Burr]

I will, of course. But you know, when you get them, it is a lot. No, maybe it's not a lot like having children, but you do have this period where, I mean, there are animals and they don't understand English, which is a real problem. I've tried to teach it, but they don't, they don't want to learn English. And so you have to, you know, inculcate with them these ideas that are foreign to them and you can't speak English to them, but they have to know that they can't go to the bathroom in the house. And they have to do this and they have to do. And everything is such a struggle. And they're young and dumb like we are when we're young, dumb. And so it's a real, you know, there's an adjustment period, really. With dogs, you only get like a couple of great years where they're still bouncy and full of life and thrilled when you come home and not like a pain in the ass who shits in the house. And then they soon get old and get all in. They get very, like, lazy. After about age 4, when my dog

[Ziggy Marley]

get old because he's so active, we play with him all the time.

[Bill Burr]

How old is he?

[Ziggy Marley]

What, three?

[Bill Burr]

Yeah, exactly. Trust me, when he's six, he's like, you won't get up when you walk in. I'm over it, man.

[Ziggy Marley]

You've been through it. I haven't been through it. You've been through it.

[Bill Burr]

Well, I'm glad you're in the area.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man, I'm glad, Glad too.

[Bill Burr]

I, I, I am terribly disappointed you don't smoke pot with other people. But if I joined the religion.

[Ziggy Marley]

No, you're not. Vagina religion. Well, love is my religion. Love is my religion.

[Bill Burr]

Okay, it's getting a little weird now. What are you saying, man? What do I have to do to smoke pot with you? No

[Ziggy Marley]

time outside of the view.

[Bill Burr]

But maybe some other time. You'd smoke with me outside.

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, man. What?

[Bill Burr]

In the right setting, I mean, I'm

[Ziggy Marley]

gonna give you the experience of my experience of it.

[Bill Burr]

Because I was really looking forward to coming over here and having my mind blown with your superior, unbelievable Jamaican dope. So I can't tell you.

[Ziggy Marley]

We're gonna get to it, and it's gonna be a story that we'll tell, but nobody, no one will see it.

[Bill Burr]

Great something.

[Ziggy Marley]

It'll occur, no one will see it, but we'll tell the story.

[Bill Burr]

As the poet said, anticipation itself is a sensory delight.

[Ziggy Marley]

See that?

[Bill Burr]

Thank you, bro. That was a lot of fun.

[Ziggy Marley]

Thank you. I love my love, love, love.

[Bill Burr]

All right, man. I mean, man.

[Ziggy Marley]

Club.

[Bill Burr]

Okay.

[Ziggy Marley]

Nice one. Nice, please. Nice vibe. Nice vibe. You good one?

[Bill Burr]

You good? Are you good?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah, I'm a good one.

[Bill Burr]

You had a good time?

[Ziggy Marley]

Yeah. Thank you, man.

[Bill Burr]

Me too.

[Ziggy Marley]

Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Bill Burr]

All right.